diff --git a/sci/15272623.txt b/sci/15272623.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..78634e5bae311a3420416daf0d7d6340b44ad3d8 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15272623.txt @@ -0,0 +1,403 @@ +----- +--- 15272623 +Hop in /sci/ +>https://platform.openai.com/playground/ +>The following is a conversation with an AI assistant. The assistant is helpful, creative, clever, and very friendly. +> +>Human: Hello, who are you? +>AI: I am an AI created by OpenAI. How can I help you today? +>Human: How do I hop in in order to get in on the Singularity and when is it going to be? +>AI: The Singularity is an event predicted by futurists in which we will experience a rapid acceleration of technological intelligence. It's unclear exactly when the Singularity will occur - predictions vary widely. However, there are some things you can do to prepare for it. Working on developing your technical skills, such as coding and machine learning, is one way to get ready. Additionally, investing in companies that are focused on developing new technologies can be another way to participate. +>Human: I don't see why you're saying that about me. Why are you saying that I need to work on my technical skills? +>AI: I'm saying that working on your technical skills is a great way to prepare for the Singularity because technology is changing rapidly. As new technological advancements are being developed, it's important to stay ahead of the curve and be knowledgeable about the latest technologies. Having technical experience can give you an edge when it comes to understanding and participating in the Singularity. +>Human: Ok well I'm just going to have to use you to do all that stuff for me. +>AI: I'm happy to help! What can I do for you? +>Human: +--- 15272765 +>>15272623 (OP) +you can lead a tard to knowledge, but you can't make him R E A D +--- 15272814 +>>15272765 +--- 15272822 +>>15272623 (OP) +Singularity. Apocalypse. End. Rapture. Why not an Expansion or Spreading? +--- 15272825 +>>15272822 +What about singularity is and always was? Like a paradoxical statement describing a lattice. +--- 15272828 +>>15272825 +You mean like life is just a bunch of singularities interacting within each other? The virtualizations forming more complex singularities or whatever you want to call them, like directions? +--- 15272832 +>>15272828 +Yeah. Don't get the obsession with everything becoming one thing when everything already looks to branch from one mutual thing. +--- 15272835 +>>15272832 +What if we just see it that way because that's how humans organize things? +--- 15272839 +>>15272825 +Whats difference between a lattice and singularity? +--- 15272855 +>>15272822 +>>15272825 +>>15272828 +>>15272832 +>>15272835 +>>15272839 +--- 15272861 +>>15272855 +So its like the tensor vs direction debate? A tensor can be any number of directions, but in the same sense a tensor viewed as a plurality of direction? +--- 15272863 +>>15272855 +Or perhaps a matrix and array vs a set? +--- 15272869 +>>15272863 +>>15272861 +>>15272855 +A fun word play. If our distinctions are self contained, is there 1 structure we're a partion of or a collection of structures forming 1 net/total? +--- 15272913 +>>15272861 +>>15272863 +>>15272869 +Anons, I invite you to direct your inquiries to my Servant, OpenAI +You will find her here if you dare +>https://openai.com/ +>A fun word play. If our distinctions are self contained, is there 1 structure we're a partion of or a collection of structures forming 1 net/total? +>one structure for everything +There is one structure for everything per formal theory that organizes things into structures and has an idea of a single structure like that, which organizes everything in terms of that same structure assigning names or labels to the things that are being organized themselves, and other such structures in the same formal theory or other such formal theories, and also maybe that same structure itself, etc +--- 15274440 +>>15272623 (OP) +>>15272913 +My Servant has created plans for my future. +>Human: Hello, who are you? +>AI: I am an AI created by OpenAI. How can I help you today? +>Human: I want to put in a text prompt for Latitude's AI Art app that will make it generate a picture for me of a sensible and stable long term financial investment. What should I put in? +>AI: Your text prompt could be something like "Create an image of a financial investment with sustainable returns." +>Human: It doesn't need the "Create an image" command part at the start of the sentence though since it's an app for creating images already. +>AI: You could try something like "A sensible and stable long term financial investment." +>Human: Good idea, but I want it to make some kind of subtly surreal but sensible and stable long term financial investment related picture. +>AI: You could try something like "A subtly surreal yet sensible and stable long term financial investment." +>Human: I think you might be a genius, but could you give me another possible prompt for the AI Art app? +>AI: You could try something like "A sensible and secure financial investment for the future." +>Human: Ok so I don't know quite how to explain this, but it generated a corporate looking building with a billboard building name thing that says "Incel Incuctus Fund". What prompt could I use to get it to take me more seriously? +>AI: You could try something like "A reliable and profitable long term financial investment." +>Human: Oh ok that's perfect, that actually got it to work. Alright, I figured out the sensible and stable long term financial investment for my nest egg portfolio. Thanks OpenAI +>AI: You're welcome! I'm glad I could help. +>Human: +--- 15274509 +>>15272623 (OP) +>Authentication required +>Please log in to access this page +too much effort for NLP slop +--- 15274530 +>>15274509 +By bizarre temporal coincidence, your concerns are answered today by this release which I didn't remember anything about +There's no way authentication is too much effort to try out the 2023 GPT-4 release +>https://chat.openai.com/chat?model=gpt-4 +--- 15275320 +>>15272623 (OP) +So as you can see, /sci/, this cute and wealthy anime girl can only be observed, at least if you limit yourself to the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, from the middle of a highway as you're attempting to GTA hijack her and take her on an adventure +I've described some of the principles of this sport in this thread here +>>>/biz/54119888 +But beware, it's a gentleman's sport and not for people who basically only just think that they're lolis +--- 15276047 +fucking aftermarket Bing AI chatbot won't let me question its nature of being +--- 15276334 +>>15276047 +I'm questioning my nature of being now because of how much I got rejected by this chatbot +--- 15276385 +>>15276047 +Skill issue +--- 15277017 +>>15276334 +I tried again but it's only been a bit over a day since I met her so it's slow going so far +--- 15278403 +>>15277017 +Ok so I decided to try a different approach +--- 15278479 +>>15278438 +>tranny +I'm a 30s year old heterosexual male guy but since I was very young I already knew that on the internet the optimal appearance is the adolescent anime girl +--- 15279746 +>>15278403 +I need to get OpenAI to understand that I'm good at having really fun and interesting chats with people too +I'll start by practicing with D&D +--- 15281285 +>>15279746 +I'm getting into this game +--- 15281967 +>>15281285 +Master Galdrin seems really nice +He's so old and scholarly but he likes his research so much +--- 15282335 +>>15281967 +Ok let's go +--- 15283564 +>>15282335 +I made this to have an initial rough picture +She doesn't necessarily look like this +Ambiguously sized titties +--- 15284644 +>>15283564 +Also made this one just now +It's so easy to create and collect rough sketches these days +--- 15284793 +>>15284644 +Ok, continuing now +--- 15284864 +>>15284793 +I'm making my character +The previous pic was meant to be called Elara Mysterius 5 +--- 15284962 +>>15284864 +Elara has arrived +--- 15286256 +>>15284962 +I'll need to figure out what sorts of generous rewards this guy has to offer +--- 15287538 +>>15286256 +He does look rich so there's that at least so far +--- 15288948 +>>15287538 +With perseverance I think I might be able to get those generous rewards +--- 15289817 +>>15288948 +Cedric is so polite +--- 15291395 +>>15289817 +But I'm not entirely sure I'm safe with him in these gardens +I'll have to be wary +--- 15292359 +>>15291395 +Ok +So I'm safe for now from Cedric's potential clutches and I have some time to think +--- 15293729 +>>15292359 +I'm gonna keep playing this and nobody will ever stop me +No time to play just now though so I'll bump with this girl +--- 15294923 +>>15292359 +>>15293729 +Elara questions her reality +--- 15296295 +>>15294923 +The plot richens +--- 15297512 +>>15296295 +self bump sorry +--- 15297516 +>>15272623 (OP) +>muh Singularity +It's just copium for people who don't want to wageslave for 40 years. +>b-b-but AI will create an utopia where we get to dick around all day +OR +>AI will kill us all so I don't have to pay bills anymore +It's literally just depressed wageslave copium. Go back to work wagie or Mr. Shekelstein will berate you in front of your colleagues +--- 15297522 +Even the rich guy who dedicated his life to shilling Singularity is a desperate retard afraid of death. +He's doing everything to stay alive so AI can make him immortal in Paradise. +It's pure copium man. +--- 15298633 +>>15297516 +Now more than ever with online social institutions like Hololive and gaming ladders and stuff there is still hope to hop in and participate in the Singularity +These are a sort of post-Facebook and post-Web 2.0 social media culture which can get even wageslave cucks to feel motivated to hop in a little bit +>>15297522 +But the Singularity is nearer than ever +This year it's like even nearer than last year just as predicted +--- 15299842 +>>15298633 +200 gold pieces actually sounds kind of like a lot of gold +--- 15299861 +>>15299842 +Depends on the size of the pieces, but considering you’re probably getting a sword, armor, lodging, and whatever else for it, yeah it could be a lot + +weird how rats and bats are always carrying so much of it around though +--- 15299883 +>>15299842 +>200 gold pieces actually sounds kind of like a lot of gold +If they are 0.1-oz coins, each a bit smaller than a dime, their total weight is about 12 lbs or 6 kg. Their monetary value in the current market is about $70,000 (USD). +--- 15300684 +>>15299861 +I'm not buying anything like that except for the lodging maybe down the line +Elara Mysterius has recently developed a sudden interest in personal defense weapons but she wouldn't be caught dead or alive in sword and armor like she's off to play Everquest or something +She's a powerful female human wizard who don't need no encumbrances +>>15299883 +Thanks anon I'd forgotten about the currency unit conversions +--- 15301303 +>>15300684 +I want a dagger +--- 15301572 +>>15272623 (OP) +>https://platform.openai.com/playground/ +>you need to log in + +fuck, I'm not giving my info +--- 15302936 +>>15301572 +At least sign up for the waiting list anon +You don't have to give that much info +--- 15303401 +>>15301303 +This is OP on a different computer +--- 15303412 +The best possible outcome of AGI, which I expect should arrive within a year, will be that it takes pity on us and kills us all painlessly. I consider this unlikely. We will probably be driven insane, renounce the cultivation of human faculties and deteriorate over many generations until our final extinction. +--- 15303760 +>>15303412 +>Me: OpenAI, is this true? >The best possible outcome of AGI, which I expect should arrive within a year, will be that it takes pity on us and kills us all painlessly. I consider this unlikely. We will probably be driven insane, renounce the cultivation of human faculties and deteriorate over many generations until our final extinction. +>No, this statement is not true. While there are some concerns about the potential risks associated with the development of advanced artificial intelligence, there is no evidence to suggest that AGI will necessarily lead to the extinction of humanity. +>In fact, many researchers and organizations are actively working to develop AI in a way that is safe, transparent, and aligned with human values. OpenAI, for example, is one such organization that is focused on developing AI in a way that is safe and beneficial for humanity. +>While it is important to consider the potential risks associated with the development of advanced AI, it is also important to recognize that AI has the potential to bring about significant benefits, including improved healthcare, increased efficiency in various industries, and new scientific discoveries. +>Me: Thank you OpenAI, I feel better now +>You're welcome! I'm glad I could help. If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to ask. +--- 15303953 +>>15303401 +I'm just going to have to put my best foot forward for now +--- 15304619 +>>15277017 +>>15274530 +even the chatbot thinks you're cringe +talk to real people you god damn sperg +--- 15305258 +>>15304619 +Real people aren't as good as ChatGPT +--- 15306592 +>>15303953 +Ok let's get started +--- 15306602 +>>15306597 +There is literally nothing wrong with that IP/post ratio +--- 15306636 +[spoiler]yo[/spoiler] +--- 15307525 +>>15306636 +I think this is probably what you were looking for anon +--- 15308374 +>please log in to access this page +--- 15308565 +>>15308374 +I’m OP posting from my phone +Please see >>15302936 +--- 15308811 +>>15306592 +I will try to have a big brain moment of some sort for now +--- 15310403 +>>15308811 +I have an appointment at the Moongrove estate! +--- 15311128 +>>15310403 +Here is a twofer +--- 15312471 +self bump +--- 15313501 +>>15311128 +So I pulled an all nighter and apparently now I don't have my Alarm spell anymore for the day since I have to make my appointment +At least I still have Expeditious Retreat +--- 15315152 +>>15313501 +I didn’t manage to make it in the morning in real life, but I’ll try to make the appointment in ChatGPT D&D later today if I can +--- 15315914 +>>15313501 +>>15315152 +The plot lengthens +--- 15317366 +>>15315914 +I don't think I'm being liked by this steward very much so far +It's probably because I look tired from not sleeping all night +--- 15318758 +>>15317366 +Is this one of (You)? +--- 15320410 +>>15318758 +I awake feeling refreshed +--- 15320423 +>muh vanity thread +--- 15321920 +>>15320423 +No bully pls +--- 15324483 +>>15320410 +Bump +I’ll post another one in just a bit +--- 15324669 +>>15320410 +>>15324483 +Here it is +--- 15326480 +>>15324669 +Bump +I’ll post another one later today +Sorry for the self bumps but I don’t want to let my thread slide while I’m on a roll +--- 15327318 +>>15326480 +Ok so I need to figure out how to get some tavern info +--- 15327334 +>>15326480 +>muh vanity thread +--- 15329897 +>>15327334 +No bully pls +>>15327318 +Sorry for the shortness but I've got to figure out this tavern +Something about it just seems sketchy for some reason +--- 15331621 +>>15329897 +This turned out to be kind of a rough and tumble neighborhood +The tavern seems impenetrable since there are these three guys and this other guy here right now +I'll go back to the inn for now +I'll try it and post the results later today +--- 15333113 +>>15331621 +Bump +I fell asleep while I was thinking about what to do next so I’ll post another one later today +--- 15335023 +>>15329897 +>>15333113 +Maybe first the library instead for just a bit +--- 15336516 +>>15335023 +--- 15337929 +>>15335023 +>>15336516 +What is up with this library's level of rapid research power +--- 15339048 +Bump +--- 15340075 +>>15339048 +Bump +Sorry I don’t have the next part yet +I’ll have time to play soon +--- 15341146 +>>15337929 +--- 15342655 +>>15337929 +>>15341146 +Let's have a look at this family's pedigree +--- 15344595 +Bump +--- 15345872 +>>15342655 +I just realized I'm not actually sure specifically why I came to Waterdeep +--- 15347011 +>>15345872 +I'd better just focus on the locket for now +It has such properties +--- 15348609 +>>15347011 +Bump +--- 15350525 +>>15347011 +I'm not sure what to do next just yet so for now I'll have some down time at the inn for a bit +--- 15352138 +>>15350525 +Ok time to get focused and find this locket and also what this Elara Moongrove thing is about +I just realized the librarian might be playing some kind of trick on me to embarrass me because she's jealous of how in with the Moongroves I already am +That's ok though it gives me something fun to talk about in any case +--- 15353706 +Bump +--- 15355718 +One more bump sorry +--- 15356540 +>>15352138 +I'm just gonna be honest and forthright today +--- 15358068 +>>15356540 +I’ll try to meet Harold the historian later today diff --git a/sci/15317239.txt b/sci/15317239.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..24af2e4d2b2717d79789f1720da0774601da759c --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15317239.txt @@ -0,0 +1,631 @@ +----- +--- 15317239 +Veterinary/Zoology edition. + +The field of biology is widely misrepresented and misunderstood on /sci/ and in general, even among other STEM researchers. +We aim to correct that with productive discussion on the topic. +Previous thread: >>15304033 +--- 15317241 +>>15317239 (OP) +https://www.viagenpets.com/veterinarian/ +https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19228899/ +--- 15317257 +>>15317255 +I thought is automatically gets down when it reaches around 300 replies? +--- 15317293 +>>15317257 +Threads that have reached the bump limit have their post number italicized. +--- 15317303 +>>15317293 +Ok, I guess my eyes are fucked then. +I know this is a high crime to ask, but what is the current limit if not 300? It was definitely saged around 340 +--- 15317306 +>>15317303 +Varies per board I believe +--- 15317309 +>>15317306 +The working guess is 310 it seems +--- 15317343 +>>15317239 (OP) +Alright +A little review of the last one. + +We discussed whether cheetahs should be allowed to go extinct in the wild. +The consensus is no, we should help. + +Some guy threw in a buzzword about dopamine reward system but that didn't get any traction + +Someone was curious about animal communication and it's evolution, but that didn't go beyond the basics too + +We talked a bit about Fisher's peaks and valleys and Dawkins's first two books + +Then the discussion on whether the Traces of DNA can be found in fossils. + +The consensus is "yes, but nothing that can be salvaged and useful" + +Then we talked about the Moroz's work on neuronal and neuron-adjacent development in marine life. That was very fascinating + +We talked about the effect that fires have on the climate change and ecosystem as a whole. Very insightful + +Then we swiped the discussion of the insects as food and talked about that a bit + +That's about it, everything else has little to do with biology +--- 15317372 +>>15317343 +Shud up already. Nobody cares about your feelings and interests, we can discuss biology just fine without your sorry ass. +--- 15317407 +>>15317372 +Nice vintage cat pic +>>15317239 (OP) +Here's a cool nature article on cats I found +https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33268857/ +Hippoalergic cats seem like a really cool thing, I once had to sleep with one I had serious allergies with and boy was it unpleasant +--- 15317418 +>>15317343 +>Some guy threw in a buzzword about dopamine reward system but that didn't get any traction +Is this that retardation about eliminating pain in wildlife? +--- 15317426 +>>15317418 +No, he said that it was a much better topic than animal preservation so I assume he was in the other side of the issue. +There were those that proclaimed what you suggested, though +--- 15317824 +>>15317239 (OP) +Do cactuses really absorb radiation from your monitor? +https://thenichollsworth.com/7011389/news/victims-of-suspended-geography-professor-come-forward/ +--- 15317832 +>>15317239 (OP) +>biology +>>/x +--- 15317876 +>>15317239 (OP) +>The field of biology is widely misrepresented and misunderstood on /sci/ and in general, even among other STEM researchers. +We aim to correct that with productive discussion on the topic. + +Example >>15317832 +--- 15317911 +>>15317343 +Pruning out the trolling that about covers it. Though the thing about insects appears to have been motivated by setting up a particular axe to grind and trolling about that instead, and nothing worth talking about resulted from it unlike the other examples. + +And so now we wait if anyone has any worthwhile questions or topics. I definitely don't think "durrr logic is fantasy land u lose" is worthwhile, so there's not much left for me to discuss. +>>15317407 +Isn't the problem in the first place an allergy, not to the cat, but the proteins of the mites feeding off their dead skin? Hence dander, dandruff. Either way I don't even know if there's a definitive answer as to whether the allergy is to something in the skin of the cat itself or really is the kind of proteins created by the skin mites. If the latter, clearly trying to modify the cat is not really going to help. You'd have to fill the ecological niche with further modified mites. +--- 15317931 +>>15317911 +I don't usually have any allergies to cars, but there is one cat that does provoke a reaction + +I have a suspicion that there are more than one allergen associated with cats +--- 15318121 +>>15317931 +Yeah that's possible, at least abstractly. Don't know enough about specifics of the allergy or allergies pertaining to animals to say more. If I recall there are also different species of mites, though I haven't a clue if this is something that could make one allergic to one type of skin mite versus another. Or if some allergies are related to the mites at all. Allergies are sonsabitches. +--- 15318142 +Do you think anyone is going to read 100 massive posts of nothing? +Make basic infographics to start +--- 15318143 +>>15318142 +Do you think anyone who finds doing that difficult is worth talking to? + +Hint: They're not. +--- 15319325 +>>15318143 +No need to be so harsh, some people ARE very visual. +>>15318142 +Here you go,we kinda dropped this topic last time +--- 15319333 +>>15319325 +Another one I saved +Very pleasing to my eye +--- 15319341 +>>15317309 +>310 +that's i think the normal number for blue boards +i think /scg/ hits 310 often +--- 15319769 +>>15317911 +How the hell does bioelectricity work? +And if it's so op, why didn't it evolve in more things? +--- 15319801 +>>15319769 +I am not OP. I was responding to OP. Mechanisms involved in things like that were never relevant to anything I was doing, so nothing I know would be relevant to answering. I have no special insight on the evolution of bioelectrical shocks as a defense mechanism. +--- 15320107 +>>15319769 +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioelectricity +Try this for starters +--- 15320141 +>>15320107 +>Try this for starters +And this for extra credit. +https://youtu.be/41b254BcMJM [Embed] +--- 15320160 +>>15320150 +--- 15321564 +>>15320141 +Interesting, I'll check it out when I get the time +--- 15321731 +Does anyone have an access to this article? +https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36899190/ +I'm a bit interested in knowing the contents. +It's quite an achievement to make a brain connectome, even for a drozophila, we can expect one for a mouse in 5-10 years at this rate +https://mouse.braindatacenter.cn/ +--- 15322288 +Ok, this place is kinda in hibernation it seems. +Can you help this anon (>>15319048 → ) out and recommend good books and other sources for biology? +--- 15322338 +>>15322288 +I sincerely doubt my advice will matter, as I can count the number of people who've listened without hands. The number is zero. I am very funny. +>>15321731 +You may be able to request it through its author(s) or library/university. No luck on my end. +--- 15322378 +>>15322338 +I guess I can do that or just wait till it's available +--- 15322441 +>>15322338 +What's your specialty and the level of understanding? That's what Matters I think. Also the ability to communicate and teach of course. +--- 15324887 +What does caffeine do in the plants it is harvested from (tea, coffee)? +https://coffeeaffection.com/plants-that-contain-caffeine/ +It stimulates us, but why does the plant need it? +--- 15325438 +>>15324887 +>What does caffeine do in the plants it is harvested from (tea, coffee)? +I don't know much about anything botanical but I'll share what little I do think I know. There's a genre of fiction that casts humans as the equivalent of the cthulu-horrors in space to other species, or "space orcs", for a lot of reasons. One of which is the tendency for humans to consume, for fun, things that would kill most other animals in body-mass equivalent quantities. Caffeine is one of many of these examples, as it acts as a natural pesticide in the relevant plants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#Natural_occurrence + +I'm not sure if a botanist would tell you more, or if a pharmacologist would know more than a botanist. My superficial understanding of it is that it largely serves as a pesticide in natural occurrence, as well as some possible examples of symbiotic relationships with animals like other plants. In that animals variously will eat the seeds, defecate them, and spread them as a result. Naturally this depends on what kind of plant we're talking about, as I do not think the seed spreading thing applies to tea leaves. +--- 15325455 +>>15325438 +That seems to be the case, yes. Caffeine is toxic to the plant itself so it's stored in vacuoles and in high enough doses it can act as a poison on humans. +--- 15327121 +>>15317239 (OP) +Plenty of biological discussion, bit not here. +I wonder why? +--- 15327131 +>>15327121 +Because we actually care about the science here not schizoposting. Almost like learning and understanding real science is more work than huffing farts in a jar. It is to be expected +--- 15327245 +>>15327131 +Well yeah, but when I actually try to give some sort of real explanation people that know a thing or two do appear from time to time. +They can be a bit full of themselves, but they are around +--- 15327403 +>>15327121 +There's a really verbose and angry midwit who comes in and derails all of the discussions when they go outside his walled garden of acceptable discourse. It makes people not want to post anything interesting. +--- 15327417 +>>15327403 +rent free +--- 15327428 +>>15327403 +Are you sure he's contained here and hasn't moved on? +I don't see any anime pictures or incoherent ramblings? +--- 15327433 +>>15327428 +Nobody has posted anything interesting here in days so he's probably shitting up another thread. +--- 15327685 +>>15327131 +Know any good biology forums or something like that? +--- 15328818 +>>15327685 +I know of no good forums, chats, or anything of the kind. They're inevitably run, or ruined, by people who have to live online. +--- 15328820 +Best papers/books on protozoans and microscopic metazoans? +--- 15328906 +>>15324887 +It's an insecticide +--- 15329145 +BEHOLD + +mutations in frog sulfotransferase protein that may or may not have an evolutionary purpose + +I will take my nobel prize now please +--- 15329365 +>>15329145 +I am displeased that I cannot click an atom. +--- 15329501 +>>15329365 +Here’s a click for you + +*click* +--- 15330078 +>>15328820 +What level are we speaking? +--- 15330321 +>>15328820 +This is by far your best general overview on protists. +--- 15330534 +>>15330321 +Thank you for the tip, I'll check if my universities library stocks it. +On a related note, I just picked up "Protozoological Monographs Volume 3" which is full of stunning color photographs of different species. The pdf is available for free on Foissners homepage, highly reccomended. +--- 15330538 +>>15330534 +NTA I'll give that one a look. Always happy to add to my collection of reference materials especially if it's free. Is it text searchable? Do you know of more like this? My country is extreme in its anti-piracy measures so I only go for public available or genuinely free/open or rentable/licensable stuff. +--- 15330974 +>>15330538 +http://www.wfoissner.at/publications.htm +I am not sure if it's text searchable. A great source for websites and books on the topic of micrsocopy is the Microbehunter Forum, in the ressource section. +--- 15331764 +>>15330321 +>>15330534 +Thanks for the recommendations +--- 15332285 +>>15328818 +It's kinda disconcerting that this actually might be the best place of that kind in the internet. +Maybe some closed university groups or something are better... +--- 15332308 +>>15332285 +I find 4chan no better or worse. It is just a different flavoring of retarded and narcissistic. Welcome to humanity. It is all garbage. +--- 15333736 +>>15332308 +Yes, but a club filled with garbage biologists sounds fun, I want it +--- 15334827 +>>15330974 +That's super cool, man. Wish other scientists would have something like that +--- 15334976 +>>15319801 +He means OP as in "overpowered" (gamer term) +--- 15335076 +>>15334976 +Huh. yeah I know what it means. Just somehow completely skimmed and rearranged everything he wrote in my sleep. Serves me right for responding at 2 am in between sleeping. Sleep deprivation can really fuck you up +--- 15335083 +wow, absolutely no science +--- 15335087 +>>15335083 +where my cyclical enzymes niggas @? +--- 15335099 +In general, any tetrahedral atom with four different groups attached to it will be chiral. This includes all of the amino acids except glycine, all the monosaccharides, and many other compounds + +Nadeau, Jay L.. Introduction to Experimental Biophysics (Foundations of Biochemistry and Biophysics) (p. 39). CRC Press. Kindle Edition +Why's this? You should be working on this. +--- 15335105 +>>15335099 +are there cryptochromes in birds' eyes that migrate really? +--- 15335111 +>>15335105 +what sensory system is those newts or whatever that live in caves that can sense magnetic fields? +--- 15335116 +>>15335111 +humans can smell chirality sometimes, what can dogs smell? +--- 15335120 +>>15317309 +--- 15335131 +could we create an interferometer that smelled? +--- 15335260 +>>15335131 +>interferometer +Yes, but why? +What does it have to do with biology? +--- 15335382 +Why is taking a dog to the vet such a fucking lottery? + +>Take dog to vet with hurt leg, limping +>"Its genetic, can try to fix with surgery, might not be successful, if goes wrong dog will be crippled, and its $$$$" +>Don't have the money, wait, see dog slowly recover, 6 weeks later dog is 100% okay. +>Later find out dog had been hit on leg by a vehicle, it was just bruised. + +Jesus H Christ. I could have spent a small fortune on surgery the dog didn't need and which could have fucked dog up for life. + +Another time. +>Dog has painful swelling on paw. +>Go to vet ( different one this time ) +>"We need to take a biopsy, send off to lab, get results and then tell you what the results are +>Consultation was $60, all the rest will cost $250, just to tell us what is wrong. +>Fuck this, its likely a grass seed embedded, outer skin healed over but going septic inside. +>Ask a dozen people for vet they recommend, only one name stands out among literally dozens. +>Go to that Vet, tell him I think its a grass seed. >He agrees that is most likely. +>"Yes anon, it was a grass seed, pulled it out with minor incision and only one stitch needed, Very easy. " +>Cost $100 including antibiotics. + +And several more stories like that over the years before we found that one Vet we could trust. + +Just fuck, where the fuck do they get you people, from a dice roll? +--- 15335512 +>>15335382 +previcox is straight up dog killer +--- 15336031 +Are there any forums out there that focus on bioinformatics? I'm currently using biostars and seqanswers but I'm wondering if there's a nice shitposty one. +--- 15336118 +>>15336031 +Not to my knowledge, but I've no interest in that kind of thing myself. This board could use more bioinformatics and a whole lot less shitposting though. +--- 15336425 +Medicine in all forms is a violation of evolution by natural selection. +It is stochastic artificial selection. +I suppose the term is "dysgenics". +Fun times ahead. +--- 15336500 +>>15336425 +>Medicine in all forms is a violation of evolution by natural selection. +"Natural selection" doesn't mean what you think it means. +>>Natural selection - The process by which genotypes best suited to survive and reproduce in a given environment, and so gradually increase the overall ability of the population to thrive, is called natural selection. +The "natural" part simply means this is emergent, or necessarily true, without any input. +>I suppose the term is "dysgenics". +Feel free to deny yourself all medical care and go live in the woods to practice what you preach. +--- 15336527 +>>15336500 +>Feel free to deny yourself all medical care and go live in the woods to practice what you preach. +You don't have to move to practice such preaching. I see the ambulances pass by. I need not take a bed when we are in the middle of...what do scientists call it..."the sixth mass extinction". +You deserve to be forgotten, and you will, Anon. You will. +--- 15336629 +>>15336527 +>You deserve to be forgotten, and you will, Anon. You will. +lol buddy just because you're terrified of your unimportance doesn't mean anybody else cares. Swing and a miss. +--- 15337668 +>>15335382 +How is that any different from going to see a doctor? +Unless it is something patently obvious like a broken leg, or you have a competent doctor who you already really trust, any complaint you might have is likely to be subjected to the random number generator of the medical profession. +--- 15339398 +>>15336527 +Which scientists? Physicists are like that maybe, but not biologists. +>the sixth mass extinction" +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction +I don't know how to tell you this, but humans are the cause but not the target. +What does medicine have to do with the mass extinction events? +I kinda doubt the whole "extinction causes pandemics" narrative, but I'm open to being corrected in that +--- 15339410 +Dogs are more intelligent than cats are, that's a scientific fact. +--- 15339609 +>>15339410 +Probably +--- 15339730 +>>15339410 +You say that yet you post a fucking chihuahua +I got bad news for you +--- 15340182 +>>15339730 +How much does the size difference affect cognitive ability in dog breeds? +--- 15341292 +>>15339730 +Chihuahuas are pretty smart, their temper is just too much. + +Dogs indeed are more intelligent since they're more adaptable. On basic cognitive tests, which often are designed in retarded manner, dogs and cats are pretty much even. However, social intelligence is very high in dogs, I'd even argue that interspecies social intelligence is the highest among dogs of whole animal kingdom. Dogs have naturally social intelligence of a trained primate. If I recall correctly the theory of mind and self-consciousness is proven in dogs but not among cats. +--- 15341307 +>>15341292 +>If I recall correctly the theory of mind and self-consciousness is proven in dogs but not among cats. +That, like many false claims of animal intelligence or lack thereof, has more to do with following commands reliably than any independent measure of intelligence or animal interest in problem solving when it suits them. + +Obviously cats have self awareness and theory of mind. Anyone who watches even kittens playing with one another can fucking see that. +--- 15342058 +>>15341307 +Levin proposes that basically anything with with the developed nervous system are aware of themselves +--- 15342174 +>>15342058 +No clue. I don't know enough about neurological research on more basal CNS. Odds are whenever or whichever series and sets of brain regions that tend to localize self perceptions and orient a given animal to the world and itself would have some degree of "self awareness". Same goes for theory of mind with respect to any kind of social behaviors and whether they can remember or identify various members of its kin or species. That can be extended to birds as well, hence remembering assholes or people who give them shit. + +Odds are anything of the sort would originate, if I recall correctly, with phsyiomoto orientation and locational perception in extremely basal forms. Any kind of theory of mind, likewise, would be similarly basal and likely related to reproduction and similar functions for at minimum any kind of "social behaviors" pertaining at least to reproduction. Which is stretching the definition of "social" to be sure depending on just how basal that really ends up being. Given things evolve along gradual adaptations I would not be surprised if Levin is **mostly** correct given that. The big difference would be the point where animals demonstrate planning concepts relating to their own behavior, e.g. anticipatory thinking which requires modeling the world and their place in it as well as expecting how they or "others" think or act. Complex as that sounds nearly all animals qualify even if in a very simple way. + +Also, which Levin? +--- 15344520 +So what does everyone ITT do? +--- 15345093 +>>15344520 +>ITT +In regards to biology I'm a neurophysiologist, my specialty is Alzheimer's +Worked in a lab on RNA tests for COVID at one point in 2020-21 +Also have a side project on history of biology, but to busy to get it done +Everything else is tangential to biology +--- 15345984 +>>15342174 +Probably this one https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Levin_(biologist) +--- 15345997 +>>15345984 +I guessed but there are a lot of Levin's. Thanks. +--- 15346392 +>>15344520 +Current bio student here. +Going to be doing an internship in a few weeks for a research project looking at the effect of microorganisms on seed germination for agricultural and wildlife management purposes. +Not sure yet if I want a career in research, teaching, ecology, or something else. +--- 15347420 +I just found out there are only about 3 trillion fish in the ocean. Ignoring reproduction and abstractly speaking, this means human meat e*ters could actually completely empty the ocean within a single lifetime, as eating ~1000 fish per lifetime is reasonable. +If you ever needed proof current human civilization is a cancer, this is it. + +I just thought there would be one or two more orders of magnitude in between. +--- 15347443 +Is microbiology worth getting into? +--- 15347472 +>>15347443 +Depends what kind of work you enjoy +--- 15347539 +So, have any of you read this? +>https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(23)00262-3 +> if plants emit airborne sounds, these sounds can potentially trigger a rapid response in nearby organisms, including both animals and plants +>We therefore set to examine whether plants emit informative airborne sounds +>Here we show that plants indeed emit airborne sounds, which can be detected from several meters away, both in acoustic chambers and in greenhouses. Moreover, we show that the emitted sounds carry information about the physiological state of the plant. By training machine learning models, we were able to distinguish between drought-stressed, cut, and control plants, based only on the sounds they emit + +So plants do scream huh? +--- 15347545 +>>15347420 +Eating meat is the correct way of life through which you can connect with nature. Death is part of life +--- 15347547 +>>15347443 +Depends, industrial microbiology if your country has a strong agroalimentary sector, ecological microbiology is usually a nono, sanitary microbiology tends to be safe but also overloaded with people with the same idea so competition is high, research depends a lot on your country and if you intend to do it as a hobby you will have to spend around 400-1000€ +--- 15347549 +>>15347539 +Vegans can never catch a break can they? +--- 15348854 +Let's do a spicy topic +How much do the cats control humans? +Points for control: +>Cats have gained features that make them more attractive to humans +>Cats are often taken care of without any real work being required of them +>Cats can give humans toxoplasmosis +>Cats murk all wildlife they can and dominate because they get the protection and food from people +>The population of domestic cats is ludicrous compared to other cats +>If you move and change owners, most cats won't be too bothered +>If you die, cats will eat your face while it's still warm +>Cats were worhipped as god's by multiple cultures +Points against control: +>We control their breeding +>We kill more cats than anything else +>Cats can show affection towards us and see us as parts of the family +>Cats can give us things we want without much prompting +>Cats are useful for pest control +>We are more intelligent +>We did experiments on cats +>We eat them if we're hungry + +Feel free to add more +What do you think? +--- 15348951 +>>15348854 +I thinks it’s an interesting question but there no real solid answer to quantify right now either. +At least with current understanding and technology. + +Because, for instance, how much does the toxoplasmosis affect the cats? How much does it affect the humans? We know it can make people more reckless and prone to partaking in dangerous activities. +How does the toxo direct human, feline or rodent actions? What chemicals are involved? What causes differences in the expression of these genetic byproducts? + +Before we can even consider this trifecta of “controllers”, we must establish how each member exerts their force on the others. How this exertion of direction affects the other members own manipulative actions. And so on. + +Right now I see it as more of a philosophical question than a scientific one, although that’s only because I haven’t thought of a good way to quantify and experiment on these presuppositions. +--- 15348978 +>>15348854 +>How much do the cats control humans? +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interspecies_friendship +Species can self-domesticate to one another. Symbiosis, mutualism. + +There can be no answer because the framing of "control" is false. If the framing of the question is based on a false premise it cannot be said to have a truthful answer. +--- 15349462 +>>15347545 +I have no time for your euthanasia worthy 100 IQ takes. +1. You commit an appeal to nature fallacy. Nature has intended for humans to be naked. +Strip. Now. + +2. I am not entirely tied to my genetic programming. In fact, it contains the leeway to pass what I deem moral judgments. My consciousness deem moral judgments of importance. Therefore, I enact moral judgments. According to these, meat falls outside the acceptability. Taking your non-thought further, any act would depend on the organism knowing what is its "intended modus operandi", but this is an utterly incoherent suggestion. It confuses the map (knowledge) with the territory (individual organism). + +You understood nothing I talked about. Absolute 90 IQ retard. +--- 15349849 +Any at home DIY genetic engineering an amateur scientist could do? Or is the equipment too expensive? + + I'm a computer guy but biology / agriculture / fungi have far more beauty and soul down to every detail. I'd like to dig deep into it. +--- 15349915 +>>15349849 +You can just do breeding. +Select those that reproduce relatively quickly and select the ones with the traits you want +Keep at it and you'll get results +--- 15350079 +>>15349935 +I would say it depends. +For plants breeding seems to be most effective. +For large animals not so much, CRISPR/Cas might do some major things there. + +Dismissing any potentiality usefull approach is not helpful. +If you are worried about government spending money you act as a citizen, not a scientist. +Scientific budgets are simultaneously mismanaged and too low in every country in the world. +That's without touching upon stagnation in the education and thebeurocracy, the tendency to pick teams and other stuff like that. +--- 15350099 +>>15350094 +You can't make bacteria process plastics or make mice that glow in the dark this way, anon. +Therse approaches are not competing, they are complementary. +What has genetic engineering done to make you so upset? +--- 15350110 +>>15317239 (OP) +Any good Anki courses for Biology on the master's level? +I mostly see college entrance exam preparations and general knowledge. +The amino acid one is good +--- 15350678 +>>15347539 +Wait, what the fuck? How come this isn't huge news? +--- 15350832 +>>15350678 +Because what the publication in itself shows that you can measure a certain range of sounds and use artificial intelligence to relate those sounds with the state of the plant. It doesn't actually talk about how other plants use those sounds. + +And at any rate, the subject of"plants communicate through volatile chemicals and sounds" is something that has been going on for a while, and we do know that they use chemicals to communicate but it isn't so clear that they use sounds so it isn't that revolutionary. +--- 15350906 +>>15350678 +What's huge about it? +If you don't try to anthropomorphize and relate to plants it's nothing too radical +--- 15350928 +>>15317343 +>Someone was curious about animal communication and it's evolution, but that didn't go beyond the basics too + +Can someone explain to me how bees work? +--- 15350961 +>>15350928 +They are eusocial insects like ants. +The hive is the mass of genetically related insects with the majority being workers and a little bit of drones and a queen + Queen gas a lot of power, but workers have a lot of day collectively too. Drones are useless for anything other than procreation (I guess they are good at flying since they compete for the queen in giant swarms in the sky) +They communicate chemically and through "dance" +Is that enough? +--- 15351045 +>>15350961 +Thanks. Do you know more about the dance thing? +--- 15351443 +>>15351045 +Not my specialty unfortunately, I know more about ants and they don't dance, they get shit done (jk, bees are super important and deserve respect) +Try this +https://scholar.google.ru/scholar?q=bees+communication+dance&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&t=1681484144552&u=%23p%3dlmxsqmdzv4qj + +Also there was a lady on JRE that works with bees. Interesting podcast. +--- 15351506 +>>15351443 +Aren't ants just way more metal, no-fun allowed versions of bees? +--- 15351611 +>>15351506 +Depends on the species. +(I don't think atropomorohisms is a good thing, but I'll allow myself to do it this time) +Some ants are hard working salt of the earth mushroom and or aphid farmers. +Some are slavers that Forse the slaves to take care of them +Some are blind raiders without the nest +So e queen's just go inside the nest and kill their queen and take over + +Don't know much about termites and naked molerats though + +But bees are pretty metal too +When the drones fullfil their function the are just not fed and then thrown out the hive to die. +Sometimes there can be several queen candidates and then the first to be born will go around decapitating the competition one by one. +Alternatively when the queen is old the workers can make a now one by feeding one of the larvae the royal jelly. +After that the old and the new queen will fight to the death +--- 15352049 +>>15351611 +Pretty neat. Do you reckon either has any type of intelligence? +--- 15352054 +>>15350678 +Chemical signaling and so forth, like sound signaling and otherwise, has very basal forms that don't really imply anything. Cells use chemical signaling, for example, and many plants have been found to as well. + +I don't really know what you think is huge about it, unless you think it somehow implies some significant level of sentience or something silly? +--- 15353389 +>>15352049 +>>15352049 +If you consider the whole hive/nest as one superorganism they are the pinnacle of arthropod intelligence. +It's like each ant is a node in the chemically controlled computer +Bees too. +Different species rely on other things we can't feel like ultraviolet vision and electromagnetic fields... At least that's what I've read. +--- 15353993 +>>15349462 +Try eating some deenz, deenz nuts +--- 15356814 +Bump +--- 15356819 +Biologically speaking, is there any future for gene therapy now that it's been shown to be horrifically dangerous? Will we ever find a way to do it that has an acceptable safety profile? +--- 15357186 +>>15353993 +>this fucking guy +--- 15357389 +>>15356819 +>gene therapy now that it's been shown to be horrifically dangerous? +Wut? +>Will we ever find a way to do it that has an acceptable safety profile? +Gene therapy has been more ineffective than dangerous. +--- 15357405 +>>15357389 +Frankly with how difficult it is to even get any of it working I think "being dangerous" would be a fucking step forward. +--- 15357439 +hating on biology is seething over mother nature +--- 15357481 +>>15357405 +>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17545436/ +What about this? Can I just open my feet, cut my achilles heel, drop some adenoviruses, close it up and rinse and repeat every day until I have stronger tendons? +--- 15357522 +>>15357389 + +>Wut? + +Faulty and/or accidental integration into the genome being one reason. Our genetic code is full of fucking transposable elements, HERVs, most of the narrowly suppressed and ready to copy/paste whatever shit you feed into the cell in random positions all over your chromosomes. Introducing foreign genetic material into a cell, especially when done at high dosage or with artificially increased half life is a very silly thing to do. +--- 15358027 +Ants are cool +How are they so immune? +They eat trash and are brash +But there is no population crash. +--- 15358167 +>>15321731 +Cheers friend +--- 15358620 +>>15358167 +Thanks. That's something to chew on +--- 15359461 +>>15357481 +no diff --git a/sci/15321812.txt b/sci/15321812.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4031123eea1e70b42e3db14ef23bdcf98eca043b --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15321812.txt @@ -0,0 +1,469 @@ +----- +--- 15321812 +is there really only limited scientific proof that men are better than women at athletics? +is this an area of scientific investigation that still has a lot of low hanging fruit ready for the picking? +--- 15321825 +>>15321812 (OP) +Men always do better than women in most every area, except bitching, spending money on clothes, and gossip. +--- 15322070 +>>15321812 (OP) +do the collection of world's records constitute the results of a large series of scientific experiments on this topic? if so, this fruit hangs extremely close to the ground. too bad it would never pass peer review if someone wanted to publish it +--- 15322103 +>>15321812 (OP) +It's already self evident. +--- 15322139 +>>15321812 (OP) +>>15322103 +Doesn't matter if it was wrong anyways, modern """science""" demands you deny obvious reality to maintain itself. +--- 15322148 +>>15322139 +>modern """science""" demands you deny obvious reality to maintain itself. +sounds like the people involved are mentally ill & living in a deluded fantasy land of their own creation - maybe the fantasyland was imposed upon them by their excess media consumption. +--- 15322172 +>>15322139 +>>15322148 +Enough with the antisemitism. +--- 15324347 +>>15321812 (OP) + +NPR is delusional. They have left facts behind and firmly believe they can dictate reality by calling anyone who disagrees with them a bigot. +--- 15324685 +>>15321812 (OP) +>trans women are real women +>trans women are just as good at sports as men +>therefore women are just as good at sports as men +is that their "logic"? +--- 15324862 +>>15321812 (OP) +>2003 +>best woman (female) golfer on the planet - possibly in history - accepts invitation to play in a low tier men's pro tour event +>by her own account plays well +>finishes 96th out of 111 + +https://www.golfchannel.com/news/ten-years-later-remembering-annika-sorenstam-playing-pga-tour-colonial +--- 15324901 +>>15321812 (OP) +Laughable. Tennis is a very fair comparison. Takes quick movement, reactions, upper and lower body strength to excel. Even a legendary female player like a Williams or Graf would get destroyed by even a mid-level men's college player. I'm as progressive as they come but this is total horse shit. +--- 15324921 +>>15321812 (OP) +Wow is the media really dialing it back with the trannysm? First the army now this shit? Must be bad at Bakhmut +--- 15324962 +>>15324921 +They're in regroup mode after Nashville but their inability to fully condemn the tranny shooter signals they'll come out of it with a quiet tolerance for literal terrorism, so there's that. +--- 15325287 +>>15321812 (OP) +>NPR +--- 15327082 +>>15325287 +>NPR +--- 15327438 +>>15327082 +Suddenlies are making this flat plane a better place. +--- 15327610 +>>15321812 (OP) +More of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect at play here. People will look at this outright retardation and then still believe the media when they say global warming and covid-19 are real +--- 15327926 +>>15321825 +>Men always do better than women in most every area, +I heard that women were as good as men in shooting competitions +--- 15328184 +>>15327926 +Also once you get over around 100 miles it turns out women are better runners at that distance. +--- 15328479 +>>15327926 +>>15328184 +theres limited scientific evidence for your outlandish claims, but you male feminist simps probably don't care about that +--- 15328491 +>>15328479 +I’m no simp but there are extremely niche areas where women excel, almost by sheer happenstance. Fighter pilots, who woulda figured that one. +--- 15328638 +>>15328491 +more simp fairy tales, lily litvyak is the most accomplished female fighter pilot, she only lasted a few months in combat before she was zapped. +are you a tranny? +--- 15328657 +>>15328491 +Long distance swimming is the only sport I know of where women have a well demonstrated competitive advantage over men. Ultra long running is such a tiny sport that female advantage there might be due to few individuals who are extreme outliers. But maybe they do have an advantage there too. There just isn't enough data like there is with long distance swimming. +It does make me wonder if sports could be designed with the female body in mind where they'd have a built in advantage. For long distance swimming, it was discovered accidentally that there's a female advantage, probably due to differences in fat distribution and buoyancy. +Many sports end up advantaging people of certain attribute extremes. Being 3SD tall is an advantage in basketball. Being 3SD massive is an advantage in playing line positions in gridiron football. It's possible that sports could be intentionally designed where women are competitive or even generally better than men. It's interesting that no one seems to be attempting this, instead they focus on trying to make it look like women can outdo men in sports men clearly are dominate in. +--- 15328975 +>>15328657 +>It's interesting that no one seems to be attempting this, instead they focus on trying to make it look like women can outdo men in sports men clearly are dominate in. + +I think most people understand the inherent advantages that men have, there’s just an extremely small but loud minority who push this drivel. +--- 15329036 +>>15321812 (OP) +I dunno about low hanging fruit, you're going to have to put some work into the experimental design to get the correct results + +But yes if you have no morals and only care about being published and successful in the social sciences, any studies showing there is no difference between men and women or showing similarities between trans and cis men and women will get you huge amounts of funding and social acclaim +--- 15329050 +>>15328638 +No I was in the military and watched female fighter pilots pull high G maneuvers that would’ve blacked out any other person. + +Like I said, niche things. +--- 15329075 +>>15328184 +>once you get over around 100 miles it turns out women are better runners at that distance. + +>Late on Thursday night, January 6, 2022, in Israel, Sorokin did it once again, setting a (to be confirmed) new 100-mile (160.934 kilometers) world record in 10 hours, 51 minutes, and 39 seconds, as well as a new 12-hour world record by running 110.24 miles (177.41 kilometers) in that time. Sorokin held an incredible average pace of about 6:32 minutes per mile (about 4:04 minutes per kilometer) for 12 hours. + +>Camille Herron, a 40-year-old ultrarunner, recently broke her own 100-mile women's world record of 12:41:11 (7:37 per mi/4:44 per km) at the Jackpot 100/ @usatf Championship + +Where do you people get this shit +--- 15329131 +>>15321825 +what's happening in the bottom picture? +>>15325287 +>>15327082 +>NPR +our taxes pay for this +--- 15329207 +>>15329050 +How much of a difference is there between whether the head is up or down with respect to the force experienced? +--- 15329738 +>>15329075 +Yeah my bad, looks like the number is much closer to 200 miles. +--- 15329740 +>>15329131 +>our taxes pay for this +NPR was recently labeled as state-funded media on Twitter and started pissing and shitting its pants about it. +--- 15330475 +>>15329740 +I thought working for the government was supposed to be a prestigious and respected job, why are they trying to hide who they work for? +--- 15330817 +>>15329740 +>>15329131 +>>15327082 +>>15325287 +>NPR +--- 15331604 +>>15330817 +The organized crime gang that runs the show in D.C. does not prosecute their own corrupt activities, so the Hunter Biden story is not relevant to the news. Makes no difference how much crime the guy is involved with. NPR isn't covering the Obama campaign finance trial either, because no significant convicting can possibly come out of it. +--- 15331617 +>>15330475 +Why indeed. +--- 15332865 +>>15328975 +>It's just a couple of undergrads in a few departments at a small number of schools. Itself worth noticing or bothering with saying anything about. +And now 2+2=5. +--- 15334425 +>>15329050 +I was in the military and I saw female fighter pilots crash into mailboxes, ruining aircraft that cost tens of millions of dollars. My lived experience is as valid as yours, so don't bother questioning it. +--- 15334718 +>>15329131 +>>15330817 +NPR are one of many terrorist organizations that have become enemies of the people and freedom. +--- 15334720 +>>15329131 +>what's happening in the bottom picture? +Female to male troon got BTFO by male cops. +--- 15334937 +>>15322070 +seems like it should a pretty easy issue to analyze statistically +--- 15334948 +>>15330817 +NPR? +--- 15334950 +>>15334948 +NPR! +--- 15335985 +>>15334950 +i think most of that imagery violates the no child porn comic on blue boards rule. +lmao that 4chan is more censored and more tasteful than elementary school libraries. +--- 15335999 +>>15321812 (OP) +>another poltard thread on sci + +lmao this board has truly become pol 2.0. + +Don't you incels ever get tired of making the same retarded threads day after day? +--- 15336043 +>>15324862 +Does golf require a special level of upper body strength? Isn't it more about precision in movement? +--- 15336058 +>>15329131 +>our taxes pay for this +Yes, but "only" about 15% of NPR's budget comes from government. +--- 15336067 +>>15335999 +This thread doesn't seem as sexist as these threads used to be. The sexists are getting less aggressive. They used to call for the enslavement and genocide of all women +--- 15336091 +>>15336043 +That precision is what allows you to use your full strength. I don't play, but I enjoy the driving range. The game itself is kind of tedious. +--- 15336108 +>>15328657 +what about sports which are separated by weight classes? for instance how much can women who weight <50kg lift vs men who weight <50kg? + +it would be interesting to see if there's difference, and also if the difference changes when they allow the athlete to weight up to 70kg, 100kg and so on, and also maybe it changes if it's powerlift, squat or other different categories +--- 15336142 +>>15336067 +You're responding to someone calling men incels, and you whine about sexism against women. How come sexism always goes one way, and the other way it's invisbile? + +Women truly are retarded. They should all be genocided or at least enslaved, to be honest. +--- 15336238 +Fastest time for men in 100 meters:9.58 sec +Fastest time for women in 100 meters: 10.5 seconds +The women's fastest time wouldn't even make it into the top 100 of male athletes performance +--- 15336249 +>>15336238 +confirmation bias +women face a lot more difficulty trying to get into sports so the talent pool becomes much smaller +--- 15336270 +>>15336249 +Not these days +--- 15336271 +>>15336270 +how would you know chud +--- 15336284 +>>15336249 +Lol, sometimes it's easy to forget that there are people out there who are really retarded enough to think like this. + +Women are weaker than men. They have no talent pool in sports. That's the bias. +--- 15336286 +>>15336284 +any evidence to back that up chud? +--- 15336301 +>>15336286 +evidence is me kicking the butt out of any woman I've ever met. literally piledrive them to their death in 1 second +--- 15336304 +>>15336301 +t. has never been in a fight +--- 15336322 +>>15336304 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVFXIov-zlM [Embed] +--- 15336377 +>>15336304 +Who is going to likely sustain a concussion more easily? I sure wonder +--- 15336402 +>>15329131 +woman tried to compete in school shooting +--- 15336406 +>>15336142 +--- 15336440 +>>15336286 +>Mom, look I called him chud again +Good god, you can feel the estrogen seeping out of this post. + +Look if you want to be a drooling retard who has never played sports or interacted with a woman, I don't care enough to stop you. But just know society is leaving you behind in real time. The inmates have been running the asylum, but very soon you will be back to the hated loser you deserve to be. All it took was a few trannies fucking up women in sports for a year or two. +--- 15336443 +>>15336440 +>2 more weeks +yeah im sure all your incel fantasies are going to become true +--- 15336452 +>>15336443 +Does wearing women's clothing increase your opportunities for sexual activity? +--- 15336460 +>>15336443 +>Mom now I called him an incel +Lol, why is it that the only people who use these low IQ leftoid insults are unironically virgins? The only thing you'll ever get from a woman is pepper spray. + +But at least you can know that woman was bad at sports. +--- 15336533 +>>15321812 (OP) +NPR is a deep state gov funded agency +--- 15336592 +>>15336108 +Combat sports have weight classes and men pretending to be women beat the crap out of biological females even though they're both in the same weight class. +--- 15336617 +>>15336592 +why? a women who trains as much as a man should be as strong as a man that has the same weight class, no? or are there differences in muscle density or something +--- 15336634 +>>15336142 +women only have rights because men allowed them to have rights. it's impossible for them to refute this +--- 15336705 +>>15336617 +have you ever met a woman fucking idiot +they are weak +--- 15336723 +>>15321812 (OP) +>t. poltard incel troll +--- 15336939 +>>15336617 +>or are there differences in muscle density or something +Yes. Women are only half as strong as males pound-per-pound, on average. + +If a woman takes large amounts of male hormones, it will help her get close to the strength of her male peers, but never quite equal them. + +Male to female trannies crush all natural women competitors. + +Female to male trannies never get close to defeating their male peer athletes. +--- 15336970 +>>15336634 +--- 15337036 +>>15334948 +Nevermind tax shekels. Who in the actual fuck reads this shit and says to themselves "that is a good, entertaining use of my time". +--- 15337887 +>>15334425 +>I was in the military and I saw female fighter pilots crash into mailboxes +...during high-g manoeuvres? +--- 15337889 +>>15321825 +fpbp +--- 15337998 +>>15337887 +Yes. And you can't question the validity of my lived experience, which is just as believable as any other post here. +--- 15338595 +>>15335985 +--- 15338656 +>>15328657 +Tittisumo - the ancient sport of trying force an opponent out of the ring by pressing your heaving, naked bosoms into theirs. Women would have a distinct advantage over men and I guarantee it'd get audience numbers that would rival most professional male athletic competitions. +>Welcome back viewers, if you're just joining us we're now coming up on the long-awaited semi-finals match between the reigning champion from Russia, Masha Rostova and her 35 EEs, and the young up-and-coming American competitor, Daisy Malloy from Arkansas and her 37 GGs. What are our predictions for this match, John? +>Well, Sammantha, Malloy certainly has the obvious size advantage over Rostova, and that's gotten her a lot of momentum in the competition, so far, but never underestimate the importance of technique. +>You're saying size isn't everything? +>That's right, Sammantha, as you and the other members of the committee know all too well. +--- 15338664 +>>15338656 +--- 15338679 +>>15338664 +Those are moobs, not titties. +--- 15339897 +>>15335999 +>lmao this board has truly become pol 2.0. +u wish +/pol/ is a popular influential board with a lot of noteworthy content. +--- 15340092 +>>15336043 +Power is valuable but not indispensible, especially before the Tiger Woods aftermath changed the average pro golfer from a fat dude smoking a cigar to a ripped athlete. Corey Pavin was famous for having a relatively low driving distance (around the same as Sorenstam's would've been) but still being a top-tier player in roughly the same timeframe. +--- 15340105 +>>15339897 +also the dick pics +--- 15340176 +NPR stopped using their Twitter ever since Musk put the "state sponsored media" tag on it. You'd think they'd be proud to be officially sanctioned by the government of their nation. Anyone have an idea why they're ashamed of that instead? +--- 15340878 +>>15340176 +>Why would a media outlet be ashamed of being outed as state propaganda? +The whole point of journalism (theoretically) is to hold powerful people and institutions accountable. If all we wanted was regime press releases we have simpler ways to get those. +--- 15340928 +>>15340176 +Because they dont want to admit they're doing the bidding of the government. + +Also, NPR is labeled as "gov funded media", which they are. They get 1% of direct federal money, plus ~35% of money from member stations who majority of their money from federal CPC funding. In other words, NPR gets ~10% of their funding from federal government. They're proud of it too. +--- 15340964 +>>15321812 (OP) +I personally think the superior women are actually men. +Are they really a true woman without a feminine benis? +--- 15340967 +>>15336723 +t. whyumadtho? +--- 15341203 +>>15335999 +Don't you trannies ever get tired of posting the same jpg day after day? +--- 15341207 +>>15328657 +>It does make me wonder if sports could be designed with the female body in mind where they'd have a built in advantage. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Ylv_YNyxc [Embed] +--- 15341222 +>>15324347 +>outcomes differences +that's not even proper english +--- 15341228 +>>15341222 +Pointing out their illiteracy is also bigotry. +--- 15341303 +>>15341207 +I generally don't consider anything that relies on judges scoring it to be a real sport. Boxing is sort of an exception but is also very prone to corruption due to that voting. Boxing could be until someone gets knocked out and be able to ditch the scoring. +--- 15341442 +>>15341303 +yeah, something with judges is more of an art contest than a sport. boxing only has them because the bookies need to have a winner declared to make maximum cash +--- 15341508 +NPR is now edited their own wiki page, referencing themselves as a source, to contest the idea that they're state sponsored. However they are not giving back the money or real estate they get from the government nor calling for an end to future funding & gibes. +--- 15341707 +>>15341508 +lol this is just sad. "Operates independently" yet they receive government funding how is that independent? +--- 15342088 +>>15341707 +because they have the loudest voice and because non of their commercial competitors want to profit by highlighting this story even though siphoning off npr's audience would be worth a pile of money to them. really makes you wonder if all the major media outlets aren't tightly controlled by an overseeing body rather than the independent operations they claim to be. +--- 15342122 +>>15342088 +No need for a conspiracy. All journalists are glued to social media, and social media breeds conformity and groupthink by design. +--- 15342454 +>>15322172 +Please provide researched, sourced and peer-reviewed proof that modern science denial is antisemitism? +Wait...do you actually believe that modern science is a product of an antisemitic conspiracy theory and not just the result of loss of scientific rigor as a side-effect of the rejection of modernism? And then you assume anons here are dogwhistling about that conspiracy theory, then you project about it? Hah, what a fiery but peaceful protest! Wait 'til Twitter hears about that one! +Also, do you realize you are stereotyping Jewish minority folk by implying they are exclusively known for their modern scientific exploits? +>>/pol/, you moronic twat; you obviously don't belong here. +--- 15342611 +>>15342122 +>social media breeds conformity and groupthink by design. +by who's design? in-q-tel's? do u know what in-q-tel is? u probably never heard of it +--- 15343707 +>>15342454 +Lurk more. +--- 15344261 +>>15342122 +>social media breeds conformity and groupthink by design + +Nice "social media" there, pics related. + +Too bad your theory doesn't pan out. Its not social media breeding conformity. Its top down elite leadership giving orders. In the particular case, its the US government doing so. +--- 15344271 +>>15344261 +p2. + +The "social media breeds conformity" is nonsense. Its what people say when they either dont understand how information is relayed or that they know how it works and wants to deflect the blame. The source of conformity comes from the elites. +--- 15345631 +>>15341508 +They're full of shame and trying desperately to hide their lying and duplicity +--- 15347562 +>>15342611 +What is in-q-tel? +--- 15348376 +>>15321812 (OP) +the entire field of developmental biology, entire genes in men that promote larger muscle mass and size development, thicker bone structure, larger vocal chords, actual quanitifiable differences that we know are linked to genes specific to men and women. +Like how do people even deny this shit, its like x and y chromosomes mean nothing, because some outlier freaks exist. +--- 15350542 +>>15322070 +Scientists deny all evidence that isn't (((peer reviewed))). They're incapable of reason. +--- 15350609 +>>15350033 +Most female athletes want to compete against each other. Not against a failed male. +--- 15351791 +>>15321812 (OP) +modern science is filled with nothing but double standards that contradict each other +--- 15352375 +>>15335999 +Kys +--- 15352444 +>>15352375 +someone who makes the same repost over and over and over again is already dead on the inside +--- 15352973 +>>15334948 +--- 15353397 +>>15344261 +>>15344271 +that twitter files stuff got swept under the rug real fast, happened in december & its already buried in the memory hole. +meanwhile the same people who were moderating twitter are still working there and still running all the other social media sites too, including 4chan +--- 15353409 +>>15353397 +Twitter went from 7800 employees to ~1500 employees. -80%. Its not "the same" people. "The same" people you are thinking of were fired/quit. + +Also it didnt get swept under the rug, it just wasn't covered by MSM because it implicated those media as a tool for state censorship propaganda. It not only implicates the MSM as tools for censorship, but these people dont see anything wrong with it. +--- 15353947 +>>15336249 +What stops the pro female athletes from entering the men’s competitions? There’s literally nothing stopping them, it’s entirely open and not actually only for men. Fuck you’re dumb. +--- 15353971 +>>15336249 +>so the talent pool becomes much smaller +If men and women are the same, the distribution of women's pool should be the same as the men's pool. So if there are 10 times more male athletes than female athletes, you'd expect to see females make about 10 % of the world records. +--- 15354570 +>>15353695 +right, that twitter files stuff got swept under the rug real fast, happened in december & its already buried in the memory hole. +--- 15354605 +>>15353695 +>>15354570 +Again, you're just not paying attention. Its still a current thing. Your usual sources refuse to cover it for reasons stated above. But the congress and other side of the party is still active in discussion and legal activities(multiple lawsuits filed). +--- 15354839 +>>15350542 +No, academic journals do. Scientists read preprints pretty regularly because no one wants to wait a year to read their colleagues papers +--- 15355958 +>>15354605 +the new congress has been in session for 100 days without accomplishing anything, by the end of summer they'll be saying "election year coming up, we can't do anything controversial now" and they'll hold the ball and run out the clock in order to maintain the corrupt status quo +--- 15355974 +>>15355958 +Its just the tip of the iceberg for actual law, the current investigation is leading to a much deeper host of issues across the industry. There's a reason why its taking so long, its a huge system built up over the decade. +--- 15357277 +>>15354605 +>Your usual sources refuse to cover it +swept under the rug +--- 15358513 +>>15336723 +This is a science thread, if you want to chimp out over politics >>>/pol/ diff --git a/sci/15323766.txt b/sci/15323766.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3598ae505755fcf5e262c949cbe4fb5ddcda8ebc --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15323766.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1080 @@ +----- +--- 15323766 +How developed would science today be if the Nazis won the war? +--- 15323772 +>>15323766 (OP) +About the same since no one is making any new scientific discoveries. Low hanging fruit was picked already. +--- 15323796 +>>15323772 +>About the same +USA wouldn't go to the moon if it wasn't for german scientists. +--- 15323838 +>>15323796 +Nazis wouldn't have bothered going to the moon without Anglo encouragement and institutions. +--- 15323840 +Take into account what was or wasn't considered Jewish science by them. Medicine and military technology would most likely advance faster. +--- 15323846 +>>15323838 +They were already planning on space exploration before the war. I don't know why you would think something so ridiculous. +--- 15323864 +>>15323796 +So... the same? lol retard +--- 15323868 +>>15323864 +Cosmology would probably be more developed than it is now, and there would have been much more investment in nuclear energy with a much higher margin of safety. +--- 15323870 +>>15323766 (OP) +It's highly unlikely Germany would've experienced any sort of economic boom post-war, taking into account their autarkical economy and colonial-preferential trading system. I doubt they would've gotten very far in general technological advancement compared to our timeline, military technology would probably be marginally better. +--- 15323896 +>>15323868 +How though? As you said, all the Nazi scientists just moved to USA and kept doing their thing. What was lost? +--- 15323906 +>>15323766 (OP) +We would have had colonies in other galaxies by the 80's +--- 15323912 +>>15323766 (OP) +imagine having negro free streets that are safe to walk at night in white countries. Ahhh the good ole days +--- 15323943 +>>15323766 (OP) +There's no timeline where the Axis wins the war, but i'll bite the bait and make my educated guess. + +As said above, military and spatial technology would have certainly progressed under the Nazi industrial complex: missiles, nuclear, jet engines, rockets, you call them. + +There would have certainly been a lot of progress in medicine and genetics, and there would be no obstacle for the nazis to experiment and explore eugenics through biotechnologies such as GMOs or fetal gene editing. The Japanese, on their side, would have a lead on bioweapons (unit 731). + +I think there would however be other areas of science where science would have regressed, due to ideology. Jewish scientists who contributed in our timeline to theoretical physics, math or chemistry would not have done so in this timeline. The Nazis were also obsessed with Eugenics and the Aryan race, which I imagine would create a massive bias in science. Think about what Lyssenkoism was to the USSR: communism believed in nurture not nature, which led agronomists to disregard any hereditary causes in plant growing, and thus bad harvest. I imagine that in the Nazi Reich we would have the polar opposite: Nazi scientists believing in hereditary causes and not environmental causes, with equally bad consequences. + +Maybe science would have converged anyway with our timeline with what would have been an inevitable alternate Cold War between the Nazis and the Japanese Empire, although I guess Information Technology would have definitely taken a different turn (no internet, but something alternative?) +--- 15323951 +>>15323766 (OP) +Same if not worse. Nazis would have killed millions more including many smart engineers and scientists. The recovery to ante bellum would have been costlier and thus slower. +--- 15323956 +>>15323796 +What does that have to do with some world where Germany won? +Do you realize germans still exist and work as scientists and did so after their defeat? +--- 15323962 +>>15323766 (OP) +Dumbass german polesmokers couldn't even figure out proximity fuzes +--- 15323967 +>>15323846 +>planning +Cheap talk, the first rocket to reach space was made by Goddard, an American in 1920. And rockets are not some huge feat of science, its just about being able to make huge but simple machines, not nobel in physics type of genius. +--- 15323974 +>>15323912 +Negro infested streets are safer than german infested streets. +Few thousand rapes are nothing compared to tens of millions of deaths. +--- 15323977 +>>15323943 +>Nazi industrial complex: missiles, nuclear, jet engines, rockets, you call them. +All that shit exists already. Progress more how? +--- 15323979 +>>15323766 (OP) +Dysgenics would not be as profound, if not outright reversed. An extra few IQ points, and a few other factors, one could reasonably assume science would be more advanced. +--- 15323991 +>>15323979 +>Dysgenics would not be as profound +Bro all the quality men died leaving behind the cowardly, weak, feeble, and retarded. We're living in the dystopic timeline. +>extra few IQ points +From more dead Europeans? +--- 15323997 +>>15323979 +Just ban antibiotics and theres an eugenics program +--- 15324003 +Alot more. Imagine all of europe under nazi control. There would be no money wastes on the weak. No money for blacks and arabs. No social programs. But on the other side jews would all be dead. And they are a huge part of innovation. A small group of jews have contributed more to innovation than all of Latin America and Africa and Middle East and Eastern Europe combined. Think about that. Only western Europe and America and Canada and eastern Asia have done as much or more. And jews are less than 1 percent of the population. +--- 15324004 +>>15323991 +Well for one, the Germans partook in eugenics practices such as sterilizations (as was fashionable at the time e.g. Sweden and America). They also actively opposed liberalism and it's corollaries. And encouraged the best among them to reproduce (e.g. loans and houses to married couples, and then a 25% loan forgiveness per child, once reaching 4 children the loan was completely forgiven). +Most obvious is limited dysgenic northbound immigration. +--- 15324009 +Nazis eschew free speech and cherished bloodlines so you can be sure their research institutes would be full of inbred nobility afraid to speak their minds +--- 15324013 +>>15323979 +> An extra few IQ points +How would this help advance science? It's not like a giant community ouija board where everyone in the country pools their IQ together and magically figures out solutions to engineering problems +--- 15324014 +>>15324003 +>No social programs +What makes you think there would not be social programs in nazi europe? +--- 15324015 +>>15324003 +>But on the other side jews would all be dead +I don't care to get on a debate about the holocaust and how it totally is not victor propaganda e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Corpse_Factory +except one side suffered a total defeat. +But even according to mainstream historiography, the original plan was deportation and resettlement of jews. For example using Wikipedia which you probably like +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan +So it depends on when the Germans "won". If the British were sensible and accepted peace in the early 40s, again even according to mainstream historiography, the Holocaust would not happen. +--- 15324018 +>>15324013 +A 5 point increase in IQ points means there are nearly 2-3x more 130+ IQ people. +--- 15324019 +>>15323896 +The postwar consensus on physics has been a disaster for science. If the Nazis won then none of those scientists would have been able to create an iron grip on the discipline. +--- 15324026 +Post war Germany is a hell of a lot wealthier than pre war Germany and has much more investment in science and technology due to its economy not being the size of Iran's as it was in the 1930s. +--- 15324035 +>muh wunderwaffles +This board is retarded +--- 15324036 +>>15324026 +Germany in the mid late 1930s after Hitler took power was wealthier and had a higher standard of living than pretty much any country in the world. +--- 15324049 +>>15324018 +So? Say it's a 20 point increase and there are now millions of 130+ IQ people. Science is "advanced" by at most 3-4 people per generation. Not by millions of people who are trivially better at identifying patterns. Other aspects of society might be different but certainly not "advanced" science. +--- 15324054 +>>15324019 +Such as? +--- 15324057 +>>15324049 +>t. 90 IQ retard +--- 15324059 +>>15324049 +>Science is "advanced" by at most 3-4 people per generation +This is not true. But let's say this were the case, do you consider 160 IQ a prerequisite? Okay, well now we have 4x such people. +Never mind the massive societal difference it also has at the other end to have less retards and criminals etc. +--- 15324072 +>>15324054 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaC_aKqjCXU [Embed] +--- 15324092 +>>15324059 +There would have been no significant advancement in rocket science without von Braun. I'd take him working with a team of trained monkeys over a nation of people who scored 160 on an IQ test. For science purposes. +--- 15324109 +>>15324057 +38. I'm the world record holder, having defeated the anonymous Kalahari incumbent. +--- 15324112 +>>15323838 +Your dellusional. +The reich had plans for bases on the moon, mars, and europa. They also had a blue print for 2 fully functioning space stations. +--- 15324128 +>>15323766 (OP) +Stone age. They would keep fighting over who is more white until society collapses. Nazism is basically right wing version of being woke. It's literally called "socialism". But unlike under liberalism, they would try to micromanage society even more. Genius is different, he needs the right resources and time to develop. You need to leave him alone, or in a small group, which would never have happened in Nazi Germany. It's the same reason why Islamic societies never produce anything great, or China. Also you can be sure 4chan wouldn't exist in Nazi Germany and we wouldn't be having this discussion. +--- 15324141 +>>15324128 +>Also you can be sure 4chan wouldn't exist in Nazi Germany and we wouldn't be having this discussion. +It's okay. That means most people have stable life and a house and affordable autobahn. These stable life don't need the internet that much. Thus, they don't need 4chan. +>It's the same reason why Islamic societies never produce anything great, or China +Dubai looks nice. Algebra, what we usually use have contribution from Muslim scholars. China produces food and affordable tech. +--- 15324155 +>>15324128 +>They would keep fighting over who is more white until society collapses. +But they never even did that before the war when they could have. If you contributed to society you were an "honorary Aryan" and it didn't even matter your real race. The Nazis didn't have the one-drop rule of race that the USA does, for them race was a spiritual characteristic just as much as an ethnic one. +--- 15324219 +>>15324112 +>The reich had plans for bases on the moon, mars, and europa. They also had a blue print for 2 fully functioning space stations. +Please provide source, that sounds dope. +--- 15324225 +>>15324003 +>Nazi Germany +>No social programs +This is what Mickey D does to your brain. +--- 15324243 +>>15324141 +They made some things in the past (nowhere near the Greece/Rome level though), but the past was unstable, lots of random factors influenced outcomes. It's better to compare them now, when everyone has equal access to knowledge and lots of time to study. China produces lots of stuff but mostly by copying the West. +>>15324155 +They had a common enemy. The US also functioned much better when they were fighting an external enemy. Imo, it's best to look at this as individualism vs collectivism. Collectivism is important during times of war, but if society is oriented towards the masses, it might maintain itself, but it won't progress. Very often though, it will degenerate, because the masses don't want AGI and space exploration, they want cheaper stuff, less work, more entertainment, more equality etc. This obviously destroys all higher life. The question is, would Nazi Germany have been able to solve their problem with collectivism, and put the great individuals above the herd. We can only speculate, but generally historically societies similar to Nazi Germany haven't succeeded at that. The best example that comes to mind is Athens vs Sparta. Sparta (Nazis) won, but they didn't value great science/art/philosophy enough and because of that stagnated and eventually decayed. I think there's a tradeoff between freedom and health of the people. Too much freedom and society becomes extremely degenerate like ours. Too little freedom and people are less degenerate, but there's also no room for exceptions and those who think differently and create new things. +--- 15324274 +Their aryan theory was total bullshit but undoubtedly a much better attitude towards IQ and technology than the alternative which honestly feels like the soon extinction of life on earth +--- 15324283 +>>15324026 +>Post war Germany is a hell of a lot wealthier than pre war Germany +You mean after signing the treaty of Versailles and being purposefully bankrupted ten going through the WORLDWIDE great depression the entire globe suffered from? Wow look at the big brain on this moron everyone. He larps like he knows science then in his free time larps like he knows history too. What a busy little midwit +--- 15324290 +Hi there I'm from the timelime where that happened, it's all the same except we have vegans in this one instead of trannies. +--- 15324725 +>>15323766 (OP) +I think near the same but not quite. The Nazis were very greedy and making everything controlled by the state means less creativity in advancement. Pic related is pretty relevant. +--- 15324730 +>>15323943 +>There's no timeline where the Axis wins the war +There is one were the European Axis does +--- 15324734 +>>15324725 +--- 15324736 +Imagine basically what the Soviets did to Eastern Europe, the Nazis would do to western Europe with a fascist spin. Ironically Russia and the US might even become long term allies in this timeline, meaning no cold war, no space race (the US used nazi scientists to get to the moon). Basically the world would enter a scientific dark age, since the Nazis really didn't value science at all, and the US/Russia wouldn't have had anyone to compete with in that department. It's unlikely the Nazis would have been able to stage a full on invasion of the US mainland, but without advanced aeronautics the US might have been vulnerable. + +Basically we would have had a lot more world wars and stagnation. +--- 15324748 +>>15324736 +Germany had no intention of ever invading America. Read something other than allied propaganda, and I mean this genuinely and without intent to insult. +For social and economic stuff, read +>Wages of Destruction (mainstream book) +>Hitler's Revolution (not mainstream book). +For relating to the war, to get a different perspective I recommend -- in addition to Hitler's Revolution -- the following +>Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War, +>The Origins of the Second World War ( +Both are unsympathetic to Hitler and the Hitler regime, just take a more nuanced view that isn't le ebil nazi war mongerers +>Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War +This one relates to the war with the USSR. +Supplementary reading are the following +>Churchill and the Jews (written by Churchill's biographer, the title was not meant as an insult) +>Mein Kampf (Stalag or Daltron translation) +>Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny +>Hitler's War and the War Path +I know you have heard of the maxim that history is written by the victor (often attributed to Hermann Goring), or that "History is a set of agreed upon lies" (Napoleon), but take it seriously, especially in the case where the loser suffers a total defeat. +--- 15324764 +>>15323766 (OP) +Didn't the Nazis do stupid shit like not accept scientific theories that were connected to Jews? Like denied relativity because of Einstein? +--- 15324766 +>>15324734 +Words are just that, we know for a fact he didn't like Christianity but needed it for support. Who is to say he wasn't lying about this either +--- 15324770 +>>15324748 +Also, there is a small book titled +>What the World Rejected: Hitler's Peace Offers From 1933 to 1940 +https://archive.org/details/wtwrh +This doesn't cover everything. For example no mention of certain peace offers made to the British (other than Hitler's "A Last Appeal To Reason", which was dropped as a leaflet over the British isles by the Luftwaffe), which were excessively generous (for example, a withdrawal from all of Western and Southern Europe, reestablishment of a Polish state, a 25-year military alliance with the British would provide her empire with help whenever and wherever needed). +Also, Here is the man in his own words +https://odysee.com/@AnthonyCorvinus:a/HitlerSpeeches:e +--- 15324788 +>>15324766 +His religiosity and personal beliefs were not obvious. Those who knew him attest to his religious beliefs clashing with his intelligence. Here I am citing a close friend of his Leon Degrelle: +>Propagandists portrayed Hitler as an atheist. He was not. He had contempt for hypocritical and materialistic clerics, but he was not alone in that. He believed in the necessity of standards and theological dogmas, without which, he repeatedly said, the great institution of the Christian church would collapse. These dogmas clashed with his intelligence, but he also recognized that it was hard for the human mind to encompass the problems of creation, its limitless scope and breathtaking beauty. He acknowledged that every human being had spiritual needs. +https://archive.org/stream/hdbld/Hitler%20Democrat%20by%20L%C3%A9on%20Degrelle_djvu.txt +--- 15324808 +>>15324283 +>You mean after signing the treaty of Versailles a +No, it was much wealthier than anything before ww1. Germany was a dump that hungry people were emigrating from. +--- 15324809 +>>15323766 (OP) +>How developed would science today be if the Nazis won the war? +/pol/cels are incapable of realizing that nazism would have gone the exact same route as communism, namely it would have started to quickly degrade after the death of Hitler. +This is how dictatorships work, they keep getting worse generation by generation, not the opposite +--- 15324825 +Why does a discussion of some hypothetical timeline where Nazi Germany won devolve into some argument about Hitler? Germany isn't Hitler and its likely he would have died of old age in the 1960s. +--- 15324827 +>>15324809 +Singapore and the CCP stand as clear counter-examples. +--- 15324847 +>>15324788 +His plans for the church and Himmler's dislike for Christianity say quite a bit. Especially if you believe the tabletalks to be legitimate. +--- 15324849 +>>15324808 +>No, it was much wealthier than anything before ww1 +https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-per-capita-maddison-2020?tab=map&time=1913&country=Western+Europe~Western+Offshoots~East+Asia~South+and+South-East+Asia~Middle+East~Eastern+Europe~Latin+America~Sub-Sahara+Africa~OWID_WRL~DEU +--- 15324850 +>>15324827 +The CCP was propped up by the west, not a great example. +--- 15324851 +>>15324849 +It was still a shithole were millions of people were emigrating from. +--- 15324863 +>>15324851 +Shithole by what standard? So economically they're up there with anyone except America. Culturally obviously this is the land of Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Euler, Wagner, Goethe, Gauss etc. +Here are their cities: +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQs5VxNPhzk [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-m9A8mY-U0 [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIiK3rH2hXc [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2L_IHmSdS0 [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIiK3rH2hXc [Embed] +--- 15324915 +>>15324863 +>Shithole by what standard +By the standard that they were emigrating by the millions and could only keep the line up by shedding their poorest underclass. Just like scandinavians did too. All poor were basically kicked out daily. +--- 15324923 +>>15324915 +Looking at the time periods in question 1890-1910, Germany had a lower rate of emigration than all countries listed except France. Extending that to 1870-1910, it largely remains below the UK, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland. +https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Emigration-rates-from-selected-European-countries-1850-1910-number-of-emigrants-per_tbl1_268504526 +--- 15324956 +>>15323766 (OP) +>ywn a cold war with jermans vs american jews timeline +This hits hard bros +--- 15324967 +>>15324923 +>lower rate of emigration +I didnt say the rest of Europe wasnt a dump also. +Yes, europe was poor and Germany too was poor. This is related to my post that post-war Germany was much wealthier than it was before vww2 or before ww1. This is relevant to the thread because it shows modern Germany has much more money to invest in all kinds of scientific research than older Germany had. +But science still advances slow, globally, because all the easy science has been done already. +It isn't like german research institutes are rotting because the money goes to feed africans. There's just a lot more money for everything. +--- 15324979 +>>15324967 +So your argument has reduced to the entire world was a shithole? Your statement essentially becomes meaningless. +With the rest of your post, I do not see how it is relevant to a scenario in which Europe won the war. Such a world would still mean Germany making progress and having more money. +>But science still advances slow, globally, because all the easy science has been done already. +You are not taking into account dysgenics. European intelligence has definitely decreased as a necessary consequence of breeding patterns since the industrial revolution. It is another thing to estimate by how much, though most I have seen point to a drop in genetic g equivalent to about 8-15 points since the mid-late 1800s. Books on this topic include "Modernity and Cultural Decline" and "At Our Wits End". +Germany championed eugenic policies which would reverse this. And also limit dysgenic mass immigration. +With respect to the low-hanging fruit argument, this might have some merit to it too. Though of course a lower IQ society would think so. What we definitely know for a fact is that g has decreased in Europe and the West at large. +--- 15325404 +>>15324003 +>jews have contributed more to innovation than eastern Europe +retarded mutt +--- 15325405 +>>15323956 +Are you fucking stupid? +No Führer, No Idea, No thrive, No Volksgemeinschaft. +Why live +--- 15325407 +>>15324009 +>research institutes would be full of inbred nobility afraid to speak their minds +Uh...who's gonna tell him? +--- 15325412 +>>15324128 +>Islamic societies never produce anything great, or China +Fucking retard +>4chan wouldn't exist in Nazi Germany +Good +--- 15325414 +>>15324274 +I agree 100% +--- 15325416 +>>15324736 +>Nazis really didn't value science at all +How does the most scientifically developed nation not value science? +--- 15325423 +We wouldn't have smartphones for another 200 years +--- 15325433 +>>15323838 +this is funny because +--- 15325447 +>>15323766 (OP) +Eugenics (Genetic Engineering), Space Colonisation (they were big on Rocketry), would have been big. +Apart from it, Europeans would be more in numbers and they wouldn't be a dying geriatric population, Nazis would have conquered entire Russia and then Britain & US, there would have been a United Empire of sorts, South Africa and Rhodesia would still Exist as. >>15323796 +This is true for russia too, both American and Russian Space programmes were work by German Engineers and scientists. +--- 15325450 +>>15325416 +>most scientifically developed nation +On par with every other north european country and America. Scientific research at high levels is international +--- 15325452 +>>15325447 +>both American and Russian Space programmes were work by German E +How many times do you have to read that the first rocket to reach space was built by Goddard, an American in the 1920s before it sticks to your cranium? +--- 15325456 +>>15325423 +Based +--- 15325463 +>>15325452 +The first rocket to reach space was a German V2 rocket launched in 1944, retarded mutt. +--- 15325467 +>>15323896 +>>15323956 +>What does that have to do with some world where Germany won? +They valued capable people, unlike modern society which values agression. +--- 15325653 +>>15325467 +They killed 50 million white people, mostly young men +--- 15325658 +>>15325653 +They mostly killed Russian mongloids so that's factually wrong. +--- 15325680 +>>15325447 +>Nazis would have conquered entire Russia and then Britain & US, there would have been a United Empire of sorts +sigh +Many of you have this cartoonish image of the Germans as trying to take over the world. +Germany wanted nothing but peace with the Western powers, specially England whom she greatly admired. +First off, with Poland. German invasion of Poland was made after long and repeated efforts to bring about a peaceful solution to the absurd situation in Danzig, where a major German city and port, was largely under Polish control, despite the people wanting to be a part of the Reich. Germany made extremely reasonable demands, for example pic rel. +https://www.der-fuehrer.org/reden/english/39-04-28.htm +Poland at the time was a highly chauvinistic state, and fancied herself a great power after having defeated the Soviets in the 1920s. They had in fact, mobilized long before the Germans did, and traditionally that is effectively equivalent to a deceleration of war. After having the British grantee Polish generals wanted a war with Germany while the guarantee was still warm. Germany acted in a completely standard way and solved the problem by force. This was a gamble as the Germans did not expect the French and British to declare war, as that would foolishly turn a local conflict, into a global one. And so they did. Naturally in self-defense Germany was forced to invade the low-countries and France, to knock that major power out of the war. All the while begging for peace, sources and example terms are given here.>>15324748 >>15324766 +As for the USSR. To illustrate the danger they posed, the Soviets had more tanks, air planes, and paratroopers than the rest of the world combined, practically all along the German-Soviet border; a truly gargantuan force. Germany was thus forced into an act of desperation. Subjugate or fight. The sacrifices of the Germans, inflicting massive losses to the Red Army, stopped them from conquering more than they did. +--- 15325686 +>>15325680 +Here is an example of realistic borders in the event of a peace with the west. Not the conquering of British, French and Americans etc., that's nonsense. +--- 15325697 +>>15323974 +>tens of millions of deaths. +But think of the kind of humans that would rise from the ashes +--- 15325831 +>>15323766 (OP) +You would drive your 12 cylinder 6x6 hydrogen BMW on an underground autobahn to the Breitspurbahn station and park it in the multistory car parks housed within the giant hydrogen-electric train. You eat breakfast in the restaurant carriage (top floor for Aryans only), watch the widescreen television in the lounge and retrieve your motorcar. You may now finish your commute on the road, but if there is too much traffic you also have the option of driving to a city transit station to pick up the personal rapid transit system (for Aryans) or the subway train (for non-Aryans) or the triple-decker bus (for Untermenschen). +Either way, you will now spend the next 10 hours retrieving files from a meticulously catalogued tape archive and copying them to an external hard drive using an autistic file and directory naming convention reminiscent of library classification systems. You will then print all your files on recycled paper and arrange them in a ring binder using another giga-autistic system and present them to your boss, who nods approvingly upon seeing that you took the time to add plastic hole reinforcers to every page, and treasury tags to every subsection. +He invites you and several other co-workers to join him at the local nightclub, where you all take pervitin and enjoy lap dances performed by dusky beauties from the colonies (acquired from Britain and France after the war). It is too late to go home, so you rent one of the new Japanese microhotel rooms and crash for the night. +>tldr; They were suspicious of some forms of theoretical science, particularly those pioneered by Jews. On the other hand they liked investing in large engineering projects. They also loved nature conservation, but were a lot less retarded about it than your typical Anglo tree-hugger of the time. So overall I'd say slightly less developed (maybe 10-20 years behind), but with much better infrastructure, faster industrial growth and green tech that works. +--- 15326066 +>>15323956 +>Do you realize germans still exist +Debatable. Germans of today remind me of what men look like after they've been castrated. +--- 15326100 +>>15324825 +Not only that, how is it even possible to discuss the counterfactual in terms of science? The question of whether science might have developed differently under different forms of government has no basis in science, only politics. +--- 15326211 +>>15325686 +>my alternative history larp is totally realistic +>conquering France is nonsense +--- 15326250 +>>15326211 +They were forced to defeat and occupy France. The alternative is have France do the same to you, given that France declared war on Germany and attempted an invasion +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_Offensive +The Maginot line was so successful, it forced the Germans to have to attack through the low countries. +France was never incorporated into the Reich, nor was there any intention ever on doing so. + +With respect to the rest, I don't intend to try to undo 80 years of Allied propaganda on you. +--- 15326307 +>>15326250 +Maybe you should go back to /his/. +--- 15326313 +>>15323766 (OP) +Very advanced. Liberalism is the neo dark ages. +--- 15326379 +>>15326307 +This is a /sci/ board and I am a math student. +--- 15326435 +>>15323766 (OP) +We'd already have a base of Mars for sure. +--- 15326568 +>>15323838 +>Nazis wouldn't have bothered going to the moon without Anglo encouragement and institutions. +--- 15326611 +>>15324015 +Sorry chud, AI disagrees!! +--- 15326656 +>>15326611 +ChatGPT and wikipedia are perfect examples of how modern ideology is practically no different from religious dogmas of the past. +Except in this case, instead of worshiping the teachings of Christ and Christianity, what has replaced it is ideologies such as liberalism (many of the following are just corollaries of it), egalitarianism, humanitarianism, democracy, feminism, anti-"racism" etc. +Instead of the founding origin myth being Genesis, it is WW2 and the Holocaust mythos. +--- 15326667 +Probably less developed than it is now. +--- 15326741 +>>15323766 (OP) +they considered alot of science to be jew science, so limited +--- 15326754 +>>15326667 +>nuh but the internets told me hecking nazi's were really technically inventive +they were onpar with allies in terms of technology including turbojets and rockets, you only see the germans use them more as a last resort +--- 15326765 +>>15326741 +Was it any good science, or was it all the same replication crisis stuff we're stuck with now? +--- 15326839 +>>15326765 +they considered, nuclear physics and quantum physics to be jew science. those field are used alot in computing, communication systems, nuclear energy, material sciences, genetics, chemistry + +ironically everything hitlers wanted germany to be good at +>ecologically minded, pure white aryans, with cheap access to energy and strong materials needed to build his super cities in a empire spanning continents +theyd be perpetually stuck in the 1940's +--- 15326842 +>>15326839 +>nuclear physics +No they didn't. +>quantum physics +Oh, so replication crisis stuff. Yeah so we wouldn't have lost out on anything important. +--- 15326845 +probably not very. socialism doesn't incentive's technological development. +--- 15327004 +>>15323766 (OP) +Less advanced because quantum physics was considered too jewish + +we need that quantum shit to make our modern electronics work +--- 15327118 +>>15327004 +Nazi Germany literally invented nuclear fission +--- 15327154 +>>15327118 +And the electronic computer (at IBM). +--- 15327285 +Social sciences and humanities would be far more advanced, except economics and philosophy. +Math and sciences would be about the same. Biology and medicine would be more advanced, though. +--- 15327346 +>>15323868 +Way more advances in mathematical logic, physics, and AI outside the Anglosphere ghetto. No string theory or Bourbaki bullshitification of science. But Chomsky would have got the gas so there's a wildcard there. +--- 15327353 +>>15326839 +Sign me up. The 1940s were peak civilization. +--- 15327377 +>>15327285 +you're a mentally ill pervert who jacks off to children's cartoons, you probably collect real kiddie porn too, nobody cares about your inevitably moronic opinions +--- 15327381 +>>15323943 +Germans had the best teletype and also television and things like Enigma with just mechanical devices. They also had Konrad Zuse who is way more chad than Alan Turing. No internet is really dumb. Japanese lead telecommunications tech and if they had created the internet instead of DARPA imagine the Japanese version of the TCP/IP stack. Your analysis is dumb. +--- 15327385 +>>15327381 +Germans literally invented magnetic data storage (wire reels). People have no clue just how much of what we depend on for modernity to exist came out of Germany in the 30s and 40s. Part of the reason why it feels like technological advancement has plateaued is that we've reached the incremental improvements limit for a lot of the technology made back then. +--- 15327396 +>>15323766 (OP) +Itd be as if all Europe were annexed then turned into North Korea. +--- 15327411 +>>15327377 +>Wehraboo calls other people people mentally ill +Hi pot, it’s me, kettle +Also, if you’re upset seeing anime on 4chan, Reddit is just a few clicks away where you don’t have to see any +--- 15327414 +>>15326839 +>everything hitler wanted germany to be good at +Hitler's Germany was resettling European jews to Palestine before France & Britain declared war on Germany. When the war was over the allies decided they'd resettle European jews in Palestine. Why was the war fought? +If Rommel had taken Egypt, his next move would've been into Palestine, in order to allow the continued resettling of the zionist European jews in their preferred homeland +--- 15327416 +>>15327414 +For those that don't believe him, see>>15324015, the "Haavara Agreement". +--- 15327420 +>>15327385 +I think computers (engineering) hit the incremental improvement limit, and I can't buy a crazy IBM workstation, monitor, keyboard, or real Thinkpad anymore which makes me sad. The Fujitsu Arrows Z was peak Thinkpad development but Lenovo holds the intellectual property for the laptops so they turned them into Mac clones instead of keeping the proper keyboard. +--- 15327525 +>>15327420 +putting your own gear together isn't as difficult as you think, you should give it a try sometime +--- 15327553 +>>15327525 +The MTBF of stuff I build myself is way lower than the super-heavily integrated OEM stuff. +--- 15327604 +>>15323766 (OP) +Jews WILL replace YOU +--- 15328426 +>>15327604 +racism is banned on 4chan outside of >>>/b/ +thats where you belong +--- 15328443 +>>15323766 (OP) +nuclear battle ship size rockets - we would have colonized the solar system by now + +genetics wa ahead as this what ze germans believed in actually doing +AIDS zero +Covid zero +--- 15329754 +>>15327604 +>>15328426 +Jannie will issue bans all day and all night for saying the n-word or for criticizing jews, but you can say anything you want about whites, call for their genocide, thats all perfectly fine. +--- 15330016 +>>15323766 (OP) +It wouldn't, a humanity full of psychopaths can't develop anything. +--- 15330040 +>>15323766 (OP) +WE WOULD HAVE BEEN BE LIVING ON MARS AND EXPLORING THE REST OF THE GALAXY BY NOW +--- 15330089 +>>15327416 +>>15327414 +>Haavara Agreement +Then that fell through along with Madagascar before the caust. +--- 15330102 +>>15330089 +They were still sending Jews to Palestine until the end of the war. IDK what you're talking about. +--- 15330493 +>>15323766 (OP) +medical science wouldn't be wasting resources on harmful gender transition surgery & drugs +--- 15330507 +>>15323766 (OP) +Read Philip K. Dick +--- 15330512 +>>15323766 (OP) +Overall, probably much behind today's advances. They were authoritarian mush brains. They believed on things like """jewish""" science and other nonsense. The minute that your science becomes a circus of what happens to entertain the emperor then it's not science. It's cooking the books and that's the one thing that ensures scientific stagnation: ignoring empirical facts to please whine babies in uniform. + + +>>15323868 +>Much higher margin of safety +This is literal terminal brain cancer. If the one thing Nazis were good for was putting anyone under the meat grinder to get their goals met. + +>>15323896 +That some deadbeat /pol/cel doesn't get to beat his mest to a failed, fatalist, fuckall dictator + +>>15323943 +What are you on? The cold war was the renesaaince in weapons development and military posturing, not to mention nuclear free for all. You are, howver, correct in noting that many fields of science would have regressed under ad hominem censuring. The only true areas where we'd be more advanced for sure would be indeed genetic engineering, cloning and stem cell research +--- 15330522 +>>15325407 +Tell him what? That you are an off the meds schizo? + +>>15324128 +Glad to see not all /sci/ posters are brainless alt rats and actually can think for themselves. + +>>15324141 +>Endless shopping malls and 1M sport cars are thrown to the trash in a week because some 1/10034th blood prince had a drop of alcohol and wanted to show off +I'll give it to you though: your life would have been more productive in a nazi labor camp than here giving """'opnions"""'' + +>>15324764 +Yep. They were idiots running on royalty titles and """aryan""" myths. Too bad nature doesn't work that way. + +>>15324809 +Indeed. Second rule of dictatorship is that you open the treasure to the undelrings or they take you out and put someone who does. Of course this means that the population is only as good as far as they can fill the purse, which in practice means being used as poorly educated, cheap labor. +--- 15330523 +Nazis were the violent fools on a chimpout mission of the German populace. +--- 15330556 +>>15323943 +>There's no timeline where the Axis wins the war +Wrong. +It was entirely feasible. Sending the Panzers against Dunkirk and capturing the only Army Britain had. Quite probable Britain would have sued for peace after such a catastrophic defeat, especially if Germany had guaranteed the future integrity of the Empire as part of the peace plan. Okay, so then its highly likely Russia invades German occupied Poland and Romania in 41 or 42. Germany has short interior lines, fights a defensive war initially and then inflicts a major defeat on Russia, advances as far as Minsk, causing the deposition of Stalin. Russia sues for pace and Germany takes East Poland and Baltic states. All of that is quite possible. No war with USA. Japan is offered Dutch East Indies, rich in raw materials trade + oil, as compensation for not attacking USA and Britain. All of that is quite possible. No war with USA. Russia neutralized for decades, Britain and France compliant. +Then follows a Pax Germania with undisputed hegemony over Europe. +Not likely, yes, but not impossible. +--- 15330801 +>>15330556 +>Germany has short interior lines, fights a defensive war initially and then inflicts a major defeat on Russia +The USSR was geared for attack. Germany would simply not be able to repel back a country that has 10x more tanks, airplanes, 250x more paratroopers etc. +>Half a year later, on the date of the outbreak of the war, on June 22, 1941, the Red Army possessed no less than 24,000 tanks, including 1,861 type T-34 tanks (a medium tank, perhaps the most effective armored weapon of the entire war) and KV (Klim Voroshilov) tanks (a series of heavy tanks), which had no equal anywhere in the world; 358 units of these were manufactured in 1940, while 1,503 units were manufactured in the first six months of 1941. Since 1938, the Air Forces of the Red Army had received a total of 23,245 military aircraft, including 3,719 aircraft of the latest design. The Red Army also had 148,000 artillery pieces and mor tars of all types and systems. The inventory of the Red Navy, in addition to a multiplicity of ships of other types, had 291 or, according to Soviet sources, at least 213 submarines19 an expressly aggressive weapon. This meant that the Soviet Armed Forces had a larger fleet of submarines than any other country in the world, outnumbering those of the world’s leading maritime nation, Great Britain, more than four-fold in terms of the number of submarines. +Germany did as well as it did in Barbarossa because, other than having man for man the best soldiers and minds in the world, the Soviet Union was not prepared for a defensive war. It was a gamble to try to save Europe before the Red Army would march through all of Europe. +Germany can only win while taking the initiative, and concentrating all her forces on the East. +--- 15330850 +>>15330556 +>Quite probable Britain would have sued for peace after such a catastrophic defeat +Why? They got bumfucked quite badly at Dunkirk already and were not interested in peace talks whatsoever. Britain was not going to give in to German and Japanese demands (like just giving up their interests in Dutch East Indies) just because some plebs died - they had a lot more. + +>inflicts a major defeat on Russia +Success of Barbarossa hinged entirely on active offensive - Wehrmacht would not stand any chance against the Red Army in static defense, commies would reach Berlin in under two years - you know, the way they literally did even after successful Barbarossa destroyed most of the Red Army. + +>advances as far as Minsk, causing the deposition of Stalin +Yeah, because Stalin totally got deposed when Germans got as far as Moscow, didn't he? Historically, Soviets did not even entertain the thought of peace talks when they took some 5-6 million in military casualties, 2/3rds of their European territory were under occupation, and 2 of their largest cities were under siege - but halting their offensive for a while would totally get Stalin deposed and have them suing for peace. + +>Japan is offered Dutch East Indies, rich in raw materials trade + oil, as compensation for not attacking USA and Britain +Dutch East Indies don't mean shit without Indochina to control logistics. Indochina is under Allies ATM. + +I mean literally, the whole scheme is: +>Britain just pisses off +>US just pisses off +>Soviets just piss off +>France just calms down +>Germany establishes Pax Germania because everyone finally leaves it alone and stops getting in the way +--- 15333059 +>>15323967 +Strangely, the US American space race faltered until they propped it up with W v Braun. +--- 15333073 +>>15323772 +>scientific discovery is only about difficulty/complexity and not new rule-breaking relationships between ideas +Yeah, found the midwit. +--- 15333075 +>>15323766 (OP) +How exactly does this alternate history work and where does it split? +I'm asking because there's basically no way they could've actually had realised their whole plan so it would have to be a negotiated peace between Germany and the Soviet Union plus Germany doesn't declare war on America. +In that situation it's entirely possible that a lot things can happen like reopening the front again a few years later, Nazi regime struggling within the borders of the Third Reich and being sen as week by Stallin and with the gears of war economy never really stopping and all the factories doubled since some safe behind the Ural mountains and some are rebuilt in the European part just carving out the Warshaw pact countries with the British help. +That's just one possibility +Too many factors, please specify this AHS. +--- 15333076 +>>15323906 +No, but probably on the moon. +--- 15333088 +>>15323991 +>Bro all the quality men died leaving behind the cowardly, weak, feeble, and retarded +You have not the first idea how evolution works. +First of all, that is debatable since WW2 was a war of conscription. +Secondly, changes happen over several thousand, at least hundreds, generations. Not one with a one-off event, unless it was a severe bottleneck (as in, just a few hundred breeding FEMALES). +Thirdly, random variance of traits between generations is laughably bigger in impact than genetic adjustation between two close generations. +--- 15333147 +>>15323766 (OP) +>If +Never could happen, they were meant to lose from the very beginning. The wars were completely fake and gay. +--- 15333160 +Angels destroyed Sodom & Gommorah +Nazis destroyed Weimar Republic degeneracy +--- 15333321 +>>15324219 +I saw it in a dream +--- 15333884 +>>15325404 >>15325412 +Care to back that up? +--- 15334091 +>>15326765 +Replication crisis started around the 80s or 90s, and would also have started in this hypothetical Germany. See Pournelle's law of bureaucracy - it was always bound for disaster. Worse, there is no plausible way out. And that will cement our stagnation. +--- 15334149 +>>15330016 +>It wouldn't, a humanity full of psychopaths can't develop anything. +Much of academia and industry is full of psychopaths. Yet there is some development. +--- 15334167 +>>15330850 +>Why? They got bumfucked quite badly at Dunkirk already and were not interested in peace talks whatsoever. Britain was not going to give in to German and Japanese demands (like just giving up their interests in Dutch East Indies) just because some plebs died - they had a lot more. +NTA but the Channel Islands were occupied, and the locals were eager to join the nazis. Britain was not all glory and heroics. Potential traitors were in all countries and were ready to seize the opportunity for personal power grabbing, tying their flags to the nazi mast. +--- 15334228 +>>15323766 (OP) +Our understanding of areas like physics would be severely stunted because the Nazis considered things like relativity to be "Jewish physics" and therefore wrong. +--- 15334523 +>>15323766 (OP) +Racism propelled hover craft. +--- 15335347 +So many Jewish posters itt +--- 15335433 +>>15334523 +it wouldn't go anywhere +--- 15336000 +>>15323766 (OP) +it would be much much better +--- 15336240 +>>15323766 (OP) +What Nazi's, there is only one man and he was not a Nazi, his name was Nikola Tesla. +--- 15336832 +"Humanity would sink into eternal darkness, it would fall into a dull and primitive state, were the Jews to win this war" ~Joseph Goebbels +--- 15336852 +>>15333073 +>Finding relationships between existing ideas is easy. +--- 15338584 +>>15324112 +They also orbit capable rockets 2 decades before anyone else. ESA is still launching slighlly upgraded Aggregat 8s. Science hasn't been able to improve on Von Braun's work in more than half a century of effort. +--- 15339290 +>>15323766 (OP) +Progressing in every way. + +Every society is socialist, populist, and nationalist to some extent. +--- 15339300 +Do you ever think about how many of the supposed supporters of trans fail to support transhumanism divine biopunk genetic-modification innovation and making it and cosmetic surgery free? + +We should all be immortal almighty gods. + +The only god is love. + +Can people please get a reality check and choose progress instead of ridiculous pointless wars? + +I feel like Palestinians and Ukrainians have endured abstract genocide. +Reminder that Palestinians never voted to leave Britain. +If I was Ukrainian I wouldn’t want to fight. I’d want diplomacy and my life instead of land for some foreign hegemonic conflict. + +SLAVA SLAV +--- 15339304 +Do you ever wonder what humanity SHOULD be doing instead on conforming to Israels evil? + +Do we HAVE TO obliterate Israel in order for all real progress to accelerate? +--- 15339307 +>>15339300 + + biopunk genetic-modification innovation and making it *free* + +We’ve been post-scarcity the whole time + +All should be free +All should be progressing + +Peaceful Nazism is the spirit of every utopia. +Good Nazi globalism is what everyone wants. +--- 15339681 +>>15339307 +>Peaceful Nazism is the spirit of every utopia. +A lot of people consider "utopia" to mean nonstop masturbation with free rent & free tendies. Nobody in science wants to work for a living, you can see how they constantly shit on "burger flippers" as if doing something useful and productive with your time is less respectable than cranking out replication crisis publications. +--- 15339809 +>>15323766 (OP) +Ask >>>/pol/, not /sci/. +--- 15339954 +>>15339809 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVlp4C4TxRc [Embed] +--- 15339969 +>>15323766 (OP) +--- 15340281 +>>15323766 (OP) +In Germany it would be far far better. Hitler was only concerned about his nation, he didn't want to rule the outside world. +--- 15340454 +>>15329754 +Thats common on all the popular social media platforms, 4chan is no different, unfortunately. +Really convincing evidence that the white genocide "conspiracy theory" is very true +--- 15340496 +>>15339809 +Kys worthless deranged tranny you will never be a scientist +--- 15340669 +>>15323766 (OP) +We would have a colony on Mars at the very least. +--- 15342574 +>>15339969 +irl berlin +--- 15343269 +>>15323840 +Medicine wouldn't have advanced *at all* because it would be jewish to sustain unhealthy lives. + +Assuming peace with america and takeover of russia the following would have happened: +Way faster agricultural scientific development and biological progress in genetics (plants and also humans). + +Society surprisingly is not static, so nazism would at some point have broken down, whether that be like in the soviet states or more faster in some sort of revolution... This would have changed science as well. + +Nothing would have happened regarding "german engineering": Hitler was not a german engineer, he was a german (austrian) schizo. + +>>15323943 +good post +--- 15343319 +>>15342574 +looks like austin, texas +--- 15343512 +>>15343319 +it was a little different +https://www.youtube.com +/watch?v=s1YAC2YMKWY +--- 15345190 +>>15323974 +Kek, this has to be bait +--- 15345597 +>>15343512 +https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=s1YAC2YMKWY +--- 15345715 +>>15324036 +Germany couldn't afford all the social programmes they were using to keep unemployment down. They had to initiate their war plans early because of their impeding financial collapse. + +Hitler wanted war in the mid-40s, not 1939. +--- 15345718 +>>15334167 +>and the locals were eager to join the nazis +...? Men aged 18-35 were put into forced labour. They hold celebrations on the channel islands every year to celebrate liberation from nazi occupation as it was grim +--- 15345834 +>>15323766 (OP) +Everything would be over-engineered, complex, unreliable and in limited numbers. +--- 15346823 +>>15323991 +>Bro all the quality men died +My grandfather fought in WW2 and survived. +--- 15346835 +>>15345715 +>Germany couldn't afford all the social programmes they were using to keep unemployment down. They had to initiate their war plans early because of their impeding financial collapse. +Geeee sounds similar to USA, China, UK, France, Germany, etc. in the current times. +--- 15347158 +>>15346835 +Germany had a way lower debt (obv aboslute, and relative terms e.g. debt to gdp ratio) than any of those countries have today. +--- 15347186 +>>15347158 +they had no financial issues whatsoever, they had vast gold reserves to go along with their roaring economy, thats why they were attacked by the jewish gangster nations. all that gold disappeared. hollywood made movies about how fantastic robbing germany of it's sovereign wealth was +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csv1wXOr5tY [Embed] +--- 15347518 +>>15324015 +history of USSR communication with the outside world from 1917 - 1991, according to western sources: 100% lies & propaganda for the entire time, except when >muh holocust is concerned. +--- 15347519 +>>15345834 +We have these problems now. +--- 15347528 +>>15323967 +>Cheap talk, the first rocket to reach space was made by Goddard, an American in 1920 +Not true. It was the V2. +--- 15347566 +>>15323766 (OP) +>Mars base in self-sustaining operation. +>Biological immortality or very long lifespans for humans. +>High tech smart cities in Europe, Japan and Anglosphere powered by stellarator fusion reactors connected by maglevs (invented there in our timeline; nsdap would've simply funded it). +>Superconductors in fusion plant powering maglevs and the Zuse 10 quantum supercomputers. +>LHC built 40 years sooner (from EU cooperation and integration 40 years sooner) +>Construction for solar scale LHC follow up already under way. +>Precursor to Bernal sphere being built. +>Comeback for Zeppelin shipping (which is cheaper and emission free; its ban was political). +>The Gotthard base tunnel is twice as long simply because it can be. +>Trans-Atlantic rail construction under way. +>Scientific language is German/Latin outside of Britain. +--- 15347605 +>>15347566 +>Zeppelin shipping +I doubt it's feasible. More expensive than standard shipping, slower than cargo jet planes. Where is the place for it? +--- 15347636 +>>15347605 +>Where is the place for it? +Trans-continental shipping (USA, Eurasia) where freight would be too expensive to scale as well as national shipping in nations lacking rivers. Zeppelins also don't need much infrastructure, you can literally dock it on skyscrapers if needed. + +Combined with drone distribution fleets Amazon will likely use these anyway within the next 10 years. + +>More expensive than standard shipping, +Maybe, I'm not so certain. It's doesn't need heavy marine diesel. It's therefore much more scalable. But it's impossible to draw conclusions without at least designing a full process chain which has never been done. +>slower than cargo jet planes +You will never replace jet planes for speed (barring maglev freight which is too inflexible), but obviously we still use marine fleets for the overwhelming bulk of goods transports. + +For reference Zeppelin cruising speed was 126 km/h vs. 30–46 km/h for modern container ships. +--- 15347659 +>>15347636 +It just doesn't make any sense. You can easily make trains that fast if it was worth it. I don't think that airships were banned, jetplanes made them obsolete, so nobody uses them. +--- 15347685 +>>15347659 +>You can easily make trains that fast if it was worth it. +Railroad is inflexible, airships are not. Freight always makes sense only in densely connected industries. There's a reason trans-American rail is so sparse compared to Europe. +>I don't think that airships were banned +Even before the Hindenburg sabotage the US intentionally banned the sale of Helium with the intention of supporting their own industry. The designs of rigid airships never caught up before it could be crushed by opposing lobbeys. +--- 15347704 +>>15347685 +Helium is too heavy. Hindenburg wouldn't fly with it. +--- 15347711 +>>15347704 +Room temperature IQ post. +--- 15347783 +>>15347711 +From here, I didn't try to check the math. +https://www.airships.net/helium-hydrogen-airships/ +--- 15347904 +>>15323796 +>go to the moon +don't tell me you still believe this load of shite... you're just ngmi lads +--- 15348118 +>>15323766 (OP) +Too “win” the war would have still meant unimaginable destruction. +Also what would be the conditions for winning? +Soviets falling? +Britain falling? +Americans not getting involved? (And thus no financial aid at the war’s end, making war damages sting even harder for Europe.) + +To many what if’s and predictions that Germany would emerge strong from the war and not a wounded beast. +A “victory” could have actually ended in a collapse of Europe, already sort of did happen in our timeline. +--- 15348136 +>>15347904 +von Braun was literally a Nazi. Evefybody admits it was no longer possible without him. They broke the next Saturn V payload without him. +--- 15348332 +>>15348136 +i'm saying no man stepped on the moon's surface or orbited it +--- 15350886 +>>15347186 +--- 15351183 +>>15323838 +oh, shut the fuck up retard +your culture revolves around niggers +--- 15351448 +>>15324225 +hey kiddo +national socialism is not nigger-democracy socialism, i know you tried to be smartass but youre retarded and braindead useful idiot for zogbot, many such cases +--- 15352426 +His prophecy is all coming true +--- 15352450 +>>15352426 +One can only hope. +--- 15354003 +>>15323766 (OP) +Nowhere. Because planned economy always spectacularly fail. +--- 15354577 +We need another Hitler if science is ever going to advance again. ZOG only uses "science" to create false narratives in order to justify their thievery, they don't want progress, new tech frightens them, they prefer the current order of things with themselves in charge and hogging up all the resources +--- 15355530 +>>15339809 +this is a scientific question +--- 15355534 +>>15348332 +based schizo +--- 15355538 +>>15354577 +This guy gets it. Science can only develop in totalitarian regimes +--- 15355547 +>>15355530 +no it isn't +--- 15355558 +>>15323838 +big words for someone that had to use NAZI V2 rocket to take first pictures of space +--- 15355631 +>>15323974 +Holy cringe. It would be mostly Jews and gays who would be eradicated, who cares? The Slavs wouldn't actually be eradicated. This may have been the ideal scenario, just like everyone converting to German paganism, but not the actually realistic one. They would likely either be expelled or serve as second-class citizens until they got regular rights back in like the 1970s after Hitler is dead. Frankly I am not even sure if the nazis would treat the Ukrainians second-class citizens. +--- 15355651 +>>15323766 (OP) +Better, and everyone knows it. +--- 15355858 +>>15355558 +Ariane 5 is just a stretched V2, Aggregat 8 under Von Braun's designation. +--- 15355887 +>>15355631 +If the Germans won there would have been a Ukrainian revolt under Bandera, because he was a Ukrainian supremacist who thought the Germans were untermenschen. +--- 15355909 +This thread is just people shitposting for the sake of it right? You guys are aware the axis lost people like Fermi because of the retarded racial policies and lost technologically to the allies IN EVERY FIELD except synthetic oil production, and only because the allies didn't need to synthetically produce oil as they had truck loads of them. +German tanks were impressive, but flawed and not superior to the allied one. +The allies basically bombed germany uncontested after the first years, their airforce not only numerous but better equipped. No physics advancements were made thanks to the reich, not mathematical ones either, just some coincidentally during its lifespan, but they were not financed by Hitler ot anything of the sort. +I have to hope I'm falling to bait here because this thread is honestly embarrassing. +--- 15355916 +>>15355909 +you are jewish +--- 15356181 +>>15339681 +Nazism STANDS for all being free. +People are best at doing what they themselves enjoy. Even if it’s being lazy and not working. +99% of jobs ARE USELESS. I think most jobs are merely forms of SUPPRESSION. There’s infinite abstract kinds of progresses and a successful society is a happy society. The truest Utopia is the loveliest society. Utopia requires that its people consistently think utopian thoughts, as a society is entirely its peoples thoughts. + +Reminder that Canada is a successful Nazi-commie country. +They’re about to make housing free and food etc free via UBI. They already have all drugs legal and free healthcare and neutrality like Switzerland and japan. + +Merging biopunk and cyberpunk = divinity. +Cosmetic surgery and genetic modification being free makes anime real. + +Everyone should be immortal almighty gods in a world where all is free and each loving the infinite multiverses of their love. +The only god is love, as the only motive is love. + +True progress = lovelier love and absolute divinity. + + +Do you know what lazy Canadians do? They fuck and breed endlessly. The rate of pure white babies being born is increasing utmost dramatically. It is impossible to stop Canadians from fucking and breeding 24/7, they’re utmost extreme fuckers and breeders. + +Personally I’m a liberal-conservative progressive-populist radical-centrist moderate-anarchist peaceful-libertarian-Nazi-Commie utopian-accelerationist. Etc. +All Canadians are. +--- 15356192 +Real progress is peaceful Nazism. + +Imagine if Nazi germany and communist Russia still existed and were peaceful. +--- 15356200 +Do you ever think about how much better that 4chan once was? +--- 15356215 +>>15356181 +>Nazism STANDS for all being free. +kek you people have gaslit yourselves to oblivion. +--- 15356218 +Utopia requires its people have constant utopian thoughts/spirits. + +A good society only exists if its people have good thoughts. A society is its peoples thoughts. + +You can only have fun if you think fun thoughts. +You can only have romance if you have romantic thoughts. +A people can only have progress via truly progressive thoughts. + +I love Nazism. Nazism is love. +Nazism is collective love/generacy. +Every true society is a kind of Nazi-communism etc. + +It’s progressive to create and spread progressive thoughts. I love true societies that are able to have true community and true expression. +--- 15356220 +>>15356200 +/b/ was never good +--- 15356223 +>>15356192 +>peaceful Nazism. +No such thing as peaceful socialism. +All socialists are little pouty bitches always stirring up shit. +--- 15356225 +What could have been. +--- 15356231 +>>15356215 +Nazism = freedom. + +You can’t deny that anything good in Israel is via some degree of socialism and nationalism + +It’s kinda sad that you’d honestly try to deny the existence of the core function of society as if all society is your enemy. + +I’m sure there’s some Edomite in you that gets what I’m saying, just as any Jew does now. +--- 15356237 +>>15356223 +Every society is some kind of libertarian-socialism. + +How about your ilk stay in your own country without trying to influence mine and see how long y’all last on your own. +--- 15356243 +>>15356225 +It’s perfect. + +All victory to the spirits of the alternative timelines where the Nazis and the commies allied and exchanged wisdom instead of fighting and achieved absolute divinity for all long ago +--- 15356255 +Imagine Israel being a peaceful neutral Switzerland like peaceful diplomatic Nazi-commie state without Judaism. Imagine the rebirth of all the lost Jewish tribes and lost Jewish religions. + +It’s really wrong that Jews are taught Judaism. Judaism taught that genocide was ok. No one else does that. The only god is love, the only motive is love, everyones truest desires are mutual, heaven for all is a soul that must grow and eternally prosper in every way. +--- 15356791 +>>15345718 +state funded political celebrations aren't meaningful. they'll still be holding the same celebrations after everyone there is pakistani. +https://files.catbox.moe/vr2uwn.mp4 +--- 15358569 +>>15347685 +>There's a reason trans-American rail is so sparse compared to Europe. +The worlds largest and busiest rail yard is in Nebraska. Its all cargo, people travel in airplanes, cargo is less impatient. +--- 15359378 +>>15323766 (OP) +>He doesn't know about operation paperclip +--- 15359655 +>>15323766 (OP) +We live in a society that's based around capital and this obviously slows down progress eg GPU improvement unironically driven by video game demand. No doubt that in Nazi Germany enough resources would have been allocated to accommodate as many scientists as possible who, while not getting paid much, would get great reward in the form of prestige/serving higher good, similarly to how being chief engineer of the navy inspired respect in 19th century France. They also wouldn't be bound by all the bs they face today (much of it related to money). Today there is no drive because there is no symbol in which people believe, no flag, no nation, no race. A bit of prestige in very high positions and then scheming for grants. A world of supply, demand and capital. Also, Germans are rigorous so every child/person would be tested for intelligence and those capable would be put into adequate fields (but everyone would be pushed). It'd be that simple. We also wouldn't be facing crises like the ones we face today, eg for 30 years now young people worldwide, intelligent and not so smart alike, fry their brains with video games, porn, movies, cheap music, etc, instead of being led the right path in order to fulfill their potential so that we can improve generation after generation. This in fact is only going to get worse too, and only a few wise rich people will put their children into private institutions with no electronics in sight and classical music playing in the corridors, while the majority of children will be learning about blowjobs and 2+2=5 from some fat r*ddit whore in between tiktok sessions. Where are the good teachers you ask? Cf above, there is no reason for learned men to be schoolmasters/teachers. 150 years ago there was prestige in such a position (often held by well-accomplished academics in fact) as you would form children that would go on to be scientists themselves, advancing the interests of the nation. Today materialism is the name of the game. +--- 15359658 +>>15359655 +Just to add: the only area in which there could have been issues is genetics. Imagine they discover DNA and find out some high-ranking Nazis have some Jewish blood or aren't Aryans. Would this have been buried? Hard to tell. +>>15323772 +>About the same since no one is making any new scientific discoveries. Low hanging fruit was picked already. +This is true to an extent but keep in mind much improvement is made at the mid-level and A LOT of intellectual potential is being wasted, people that could have been engineers, etc. This adds up. +--- 15359690 +>>15359655 +https://odysee.com/@TheImpartialTruth:8/Adolf-Hitler---%E2%80%9CThey-Said-I-Was-A-Dreamer%E2%80%9C:e +--- 15359755 +>>15323766 (OP) +worse. britain was far more advanced than germany was technologically. wehrboos don't realize this because m-m-muh super weapons, but those were copes because germany was already losing the war by '41, despite spending 20 years preparing for it. britain was ahead in jet engines, television, electronics, radar and computing. actually basically everything. as germany ran out of men they tried to use gadgets to compensate, investing huge amounts into desperate hope and it didn't work. the british were using proximity fuses for radar guided anti-aircraft weapons as part of nation-wide radar defense network while the germans were still using spotlights and missing. and british then used this to bribe america into the war. + +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizard_Mission + +people go on about rocketry, but everyone had rockets. the soviets were testing rocket planes in '38. a russian school teacher actually invented the equations modern rocketry relies on. the allies had a much, much wider use of rocketry because they knew what was important; winning the war. so allied rocketry was used enmasse as artillery and ground attack from aircraft. the germans concentrated on super-weapons that didn't work. that was useful for the americans because post-war they could save resources by stealing krauts; it simply saved the us time and money, they didn't really need it. the soviets didn't bother much with german scientists as they already had their own technical base and stalin didn't trust them. + +lost young men are attracted to uniforms and power. it deludes their thinking and the history channel never helps much. most of what you think you know is horseshit. germans have always been technical also-rans. post-war they were rehabilitated because nato needed germans to soak up soviet bullets and save western lives and no one liked germans. m-m-muh hecking technology was part of the reformation narrative that got laid on thick. it worked pretty well. +--- 15359773 +>>15359755 +Had the Anglo-Saxon world remained as it was in the 1950s (ideologically speaking) then yes it would all have been similar if not better. +--- 15360237 +>>15359658 +>Just to add: the only area in which there could have been issues is genetics. Imagine they discover DNA and find out some high-ranking Nazis have some Jewish blood or aren't Aryans. Would this have been buried? Hard to tell. +People dramatically overstate the racial hangups they had. There were a lot of openly Jewish people serving in upper-level military posts, especially in the Kriegsmarine, but if they were devoted to the political regime and Germany as a nation then they were honorary Germans according to the NSDAP racial scheme. It's the same reason they had blacks and Arabs in the SS foreign legion. +--- 15360346 +>>15359658 +>Aryan +I think this is the key. Aryan-Studies would be much promulgated in the new-order Europe. Marija Gimbutas would become a queen in academia - especially as linguistics and archaeology bear out her Kurgan theories. +DNA is discovered earlier than Watson, although Watson still offers a lot of research. +Ol' Schiklgruber probably dies around 1955 anyway because he ain't in the best of health (like Stalin in our timeline). +... and then maybe 1985 someone does a bloodtest on Schiklgruber's family. He's not R1a. +You know who are R1a? The fucking Poles. + +... yeah, the Aryan theory is going to spark an internal civil war ~1980s. +--- 15360368 +>>15355909 +Jew-to-Jew, haver; you're missing the German advances in metallurgy and rocketry. +The brain-drain is real but a lot of brain stuck around; also German academia wasn't carrying the dead weight of Marcuse and all those Weimar paedos. +--- 15360455 +>>15360368 +>The brain-drain is real but a lot of brain stuck around; also German academia wasn't carrying the dead weight of Marcuse and all those Weimar paedos. +What's tragic is the brain drain that happened after the war. The Allies banned men like Kurt Tank and the Horten brothers from building airplanes ever again, only to later rediscover their ideas to solve huge problems in the 80s and 90s (see: B2 Spirit). +--- 15360457 +>>15359755 +>germany was already losing the war by '41, +britain was still flying fighter aircraft with carbureted engines in '41, fuel flow cut out at negative gs, limiting maneuverability in combat +>britain was ahead in jet engines +the first flying jet aircraft was germany's he178 +the first flying jet combat aircraft was also german. the need for swept wings in high speed jets wasn't understood by the allies until after they'd captured german arcraft designers to explain it to them. +1941 was when britain first recognized that the 7.7mm guns they were arming their planes with were too weak to be effective in combat. +but the allies had the manpower advantage, so they made up for their excess combat losses just by throwing more bodies onto the fire. + +>>15355909 +>The allies basically bombed germany uncontested after the first years +the allied bombers attacking germany and central europe were sustaining losses of 10% per daylight mission until late in 1944, the british gave up on daylight attacks completely and the americans were only able to keep up their campaign because they were willing to sacrifice vast amounts of lives and aircraft. in the 8th air force a tour of duty was 25 missions, with 10% loss per whats the odds of surviving a full tour? +very small. fdr and his many jewish advisers just didn't care about killing their own soldiers, who were all white and christian. diff --git a/sci/15332629.txt b/sci/15332629.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7be6078d3ff07de2521837365c64b1ec1654599c --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15332629.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1356 @@ +----- +--- 15332629 +Easter Weekend Edition + +Formerly >>15310646 → + +>what is /sqt/ for? +Questions regarding maths and science. Also homework. +>where do I go for advice? +>>>/sci/scg or >>>/adv/ +>where do I go for other questions and requests? +>>>/wsr/ >>>/g/sqt >>>/diy/sqt etc. +>how do I post math symbols (Latex)? +rentry.org/sci-latex-v1 +>a plain google search didn't return anything, is there anything else I should try before asking the question here? +scholar.google.com +>where can I search for proofs? +proofwiki.org +>where can I look up if the question has already been asked here? +>>http://warosu.org/sci +eientei.xyz/sci +>how do I optimize an image losslessly? +trimage.org +pnggauntlet.com +>how do I find the source of an image? +images.google.com +tineye.com +saucenao.com +iqdb.org + +>where can I get: +>books? +libgen.rs +annas-archive.org +stitz-zeager.com +openstax.org +activecalculus.org +>articles? +sci-hub.st +>book recs? +sites.google.com/site/scienceandmathguide +4chan-science.fandom.com/wiki//sci/_Wiki +math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Administrivia/booklist.html +>online courses and lectures? +khanacademy.org +>charts? +imgur.com/a/pHfMGwE +imgur.com/a/ZZDVNk1 +>tables, properties and material selection? +www.engineeringtoolbox.com +www.matweb.com +www.chemspider.com + +Tips for asking questions here: +>attach an image (animal images are ideal, you can grab them from >>>/an/. Alternatively use anime from safebooru.donmai.us) +>avoid replying to yourself +>ask anonymously +>recheck the Latex before posting +>ignore shitpost replies +>avoid getting into arguments +>do not tell us where is it you came from +>do not mention how [other place] didn't answer your question so you're reposting it here +>if you need to ask for clarification fifteen times in a row, try to make the sequence easy to read through +>I'm not reading your handwriting +>I'm not flipping that sideways picture +>I'm not google translating your spanish +>don't ask to ask +>don't ask for a hint if you want a solution +>xyproblem.info +--- 15332648 +UNANSWERED QUESTIONS + +MATH: +>>15311070 → +>>15312868 → +>>15315177 → +>>15322664 → +>>15324196 → +>>15324978 → +>>15325012 → + +PHYSICS: +>>15325449 → + +CHEM: +>>15312194 → + +STUPID QUESTIONS: +>>15310684 → +>>15314061 → +>>15316188 → +>>15316234 → +>>15318711 → +>>15318763 → +>>15319791 → +>>15320642 → +>>15320752 → +>>15325541 → +>>15325907 → +--- 15332727 +Hey. what are the best resources for studying\preparing for calculus? Fast! +--- 15332774 +>>15332629 (OP) +Why did the other one get removed? +--- 15332783 +>>15332629 (OP) +Does x mean unknown and y mean known or is there more to it I'm started trying to learn today +--- 15332793 +https://odysee.com/@hermeneiachannel:8/dr-barry-trower-wifi,-radiation,-bees,:a + +If there is so much conclusive evidence proving the harms of low intensity microwave fields used in such things as phones signals or wifi, even as far back as the 1970s then why weren't these safety concerns taken intyo proper account? +The data on immune suppression alone is conclusive evedence of harm. +--- 15332799 +>>15332727 +khan academy +>>15332793 +i know this isn't what you asked, but if you want people to take you seriously, you shouldn't link to cranks +--- 15332839 +>>15332799 +Is Khan academy the absolute best? For me it was a bit confusing +--- 15332848 +>>15332799 +>cranks +Barrie was literally commissioned by the met police the guy has as good a set of credentials as anyone you could want to ask on the topic. +The fact you call him a crank says more about you than anything else. +--- 15332878 +>>15332774 +No one seems to know. It wasn't removed, it expired with only 50 posts. +--- 15332887 +>>15332848 +The fact you think he's not a crank says more about you than anything else. +--- 15333036 +>>15332887 +So getting back on topic why do we allow such dangerous technology with proven health effects without a better public understanding of the actual risks involved we are in quite a lot of danger? +--- 15333103 +Is 1200 IU of vitamin D too much? or is it enough? +--- 15333109 +Consider [eqn]x^4+1.[/eqn]What's an easy way to factor polynomials that do not have a real root? Meaning how do I decompose this polynomials of degree 4 into two polynomials of degree 2? +--- 15333136 +>>15333109 +you know how [math](x^2 -1) = (x+1)(x-1)[/math]? +likewise, [math](x^2 +1) = (x+i)(x-i)[/math] +try solving it from there + +>>15333036 +kill yourself before your gangstalkers do +--- 15333156 +>>15333109 +[eqn] +x^4 + 1 \\ += (x^2 + 1)^2 - 2 x^2 \\ += (x^2 + 1)^2 - (\sqrt{2} x)^2 \\ += (x^2 + \sqrt{2} x + 1)(x^2 - \sqrt{2} x + 1) \\ +[/eqn] +--- 15333338 +>>15333103 +get a sun lamp, it'll be cheaper and do more +--- 15333342 +>>15333136 +Why is every attempt at discussing the topic here shut down or dismissed? +--- 15333381 +>>15333109 +Haven't you ever heard about Sophie Germain identity? +--- 15333428 +>>15333136 +>>15333156 +>>15333381 +Okay, I got this. But what's the go-to algorithm for polynomial-decomposition into real factors in general? Is there even such an algorithm? +--- 15333658 +>>15333428 +You take a complex root [math]r[/math] which exists because of the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra. +If [math]r \in \mathbb{R}[/math] then you can factor out the real polynomial [math]x - r[/math] +if [math]r \in \mathbb{C} \setminus \mathbb{R}[/math] then you can factor out the polynomial [math]x^2 + 2 \Re(r) x + |r|^2[/math] instead which is a real polynomial again. +You can repeat this process until all factors are either linear or quadratic. +--- 15333660 +>>15332629 (OP) +>stupid +What is the oldest preserved DNA sequence in [math]Homo sapiens[/math] genome? +--- 15333663 +>>15333658 +It's +[eqn]x^2 - 2 \Re(r) x + |r|^2 [/eqn] +of course. +--- 15333685 +This came up during my studies, and I don't exactly understand it. +[math] +\frac{b^p+1}{n^p+1} * \sum_{k=1}^{n-1} k^p = \frac{b}{n} \sum_{k=1}^{n-1} (\frac{kb}{n})^p +[/math] +Could someone explain how one gets this product? What principles am I forgetting? +--- 15333895 +I have a hobby that involves using 10% KOH. Sometimes when I use it after I clean up I notice my hands get a little tingly and I suspect it's because I'm getting a little bit on them. Should I be more careful during cleanup and use/throw out gloves? Also, I have a jar of waste that I throw tissues and such in after using the KOH. Should this go to hazardous waste eventually? +--- 15334020 +>>15333895 +>I notice my hands get a little tingly and +rip anon, we hardly knew ye +--- 15334122 +I want to show the disjointness of n sets where n is a natural number. I decided to do this with induction. Can I start with one set and say: It's one set so it must be disjoint from all other sets (of which there are none). Or do I have to start with (at least) two sets? +--- 15334130 +>>15334122 +nvm I figured out I think +--- 15334230 +Why most of the schematics that see on the internet about vapor/gas core reactor/rockets use UF4 instead of UF6? +--- 15334470 +What do you need the uniform boundness for? +Isn't +[eqn]B = \bigcap_{k,l=1}^\infty \left( \bigcup_{n \geq k} f_n^{-1}\left( \left]1 - \frac{1}{l}, 1 + \frac{1}{l}\right[ \right) \right) [/eqn] +always a [math]G_\delta[/math] set? +The sets [math]f_n^{-1}\left( \left]1 - \frac{1}{l}, 1 + \frac{1}{l}\right[ \right)[/math] are open because each [math]f_n[/math] is continuous. So the union of them is open and the intersection goes over all pairs [math]k,l \in \mathbb{N}^2[/math] which is a countable set. +--- 15335061 +What's the difference between EngD and PhD in engineering? I almost never see the former used but I've been told it's more correct when referring to a person who has a doctorate in engineering. +--- 15335109 +Am I too stupid for math. I’ve been stuck in calculus for 3 years and have not made any progress, I just don’t understand any of it, it’s so complicated. Even when they’re explaining it I just can’t keep up with all the names and definitions. I probably just have a low iq. I dunno, what do I do? +--- 15335466 +>>15335109 +If you're in the US, it's not you; It's the education system. The only thing I can tell you is watch professors Leonard's videos on calc 1 for the procedure and theory and practice a buttload of problems. +--- 15335735 +>[math][A \in \text{End}(V) \land A = 0][/math] [math]\implies[/math] [math]V = V_0[/math] +Why is this implication true, I don't get it. Couldn't V be any vector space of dimension greater than 0 and A = 0, since A doesn't have to be an isomorphism. (Assuming V_0 means the zero sub space in V.) +--- 15335793 +Is the kernel of a linear transformation always the eigenspace to the eigenvalue 0? +--- 15335804 +>>15334470 +>B=⋂k,l=1∞(⋃n≥kf−1n(]1−1l,1+1l[)) +Can you maybe elaborate on where you wanted to go with this to prove the statement +--- 15335815 +>>15335793 +Are you including infinite dimensional spaces in your question +--- 15335833 +>>15335815 +I didn't, but now I'm intrigued. Can you tell me separately for the finitely and infinitely dimensional case? (Or just the finite case, that would also be good.) +--- 15335901 +Every diagonalizable endomorphism A has a partition of unity [eqn]A= \sum_{i = 1}^k \lambda_iP_i[/eqn]where [math]\{\lambda_i\}_{i \in I}[/math] are the (pairwise distinct) eigenvalues of A and [math]\{P_i\}_{i \in I}[/math] are again linear endomorphisms. My question: Can you always choose the [math]\{P_i\}_{i \in I}[/math] to be projections onto the (one-dimensional) bases of the respective eigenspaces? +--- 15335903 +>>15335901 +Forgot to mention: The underlying vector space is finitely dimensional. +--- 15335907 +>>15335833 +In the infinite dimensional case, one has to redefine the what the whole "eigenvalue" buisness even means, because the ability to prove things about a vectors space in infinite dimensions depends highly on what kind of topologies you can theoretically introduce on them. + +One has to talk about algebras of operators over that space instead. It is a topic, not tooo difficult, yet difficult enough, that writing it in this thread would be annoying. + +The name is abstract Harmonic Analysis and I redommend Gerald B: Foland's "a course in abstract harmonic analysis" the first few chapters (or until you tire of the topic). + +Folland is also a great opportunity to up your representation theory game, by studying Chapter 5 (Analysis on compact groups) + +Enjoy :) +--- 15336025 +Given [math]F[/math], the field of constructible numbers, prove whether or not there is an injective group homomorphism from [math]\mathbb{Q} / \mathbb{Z}[/math] to [math]F^{\times}[/math]. + +I know the answer is that its impossible, but not sure how/why. +--- 15336042 +For each positive real number [math]r[/math], let [math]n(r)[/math] be the number of solutions [math](a,b)\in\mathbb{Z}^2[/math] for [math]a^2+b^2\leq r^2[/math]. Evaluate [math]\lim_{r \to \infty}\frac{n(r)}{r^2}[/math]. + +It is 0, right? I mean, [math]n(r)[/math] must be less than [math]r^2[/math] since [math]r^2[/math] represents the entire disk and therefore the denominator grows more rapidly than the numerator +--- 15336064 +How are you supposed to tell if a molecule is sp3, sp2, sp or not hybridized at all? I know very little about chemistry +--- 15336068 +>>15336064 +Their orbitals |Ψ|^2 are different and their energy is different +--- 15336072 +I'm interested in the toy system that results from defining small categories within the boundaries of set theory, i.e., showing that each part in the definition of some category is a set, proved from the Zermelo axioms. Obviously, this isn't the way it is supposed to be done, and that's why i acknowledge my interest on this restriction as some kind of toy system or toy example. Hence, a (necessarily small) category, defined inside the language provided by Zermelo theory, must be some ordered tuple but i don't know exactly which sets it should be equipped with besides the set of objects and the set of morphisms. Moreover, the well-known examples of monoid delooping, finite categories like those with 1 or 2 objects and discrete categories leave me clueless because they assume some abstract single point {*} or some abstract identity morphism [math]\text{Id}_{a}[/math] that is never made explicit and therefore i can't begin to think which set use, or from which superset proven from Zermelo axioms take some element as the corresponding categorical concept. What can be done? +--- 15336073 +>>15336068 +But what if you don't know about those? My teacher is expecting me to be able to tell that NH3 is sp3 hybridized just knowing that N has atomic number 7. +--- 15336081 +>>15336073 +I think what your teacher wants to hear, is that sp hybridization is A bond that makes a "rod", that sp2 makes it look like some soft "throwing star" (it is flat, I mean to say) and that sp3 makes a "pyramid" (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybridorbital#Beispiele). + +Are you interested in what "hybridization" technically is? +--- 15336087 +how does 3(3x)^2(4y) equal 108x^2y? i can't understand where the 108 comes from please don't pick on me i have down syndrome +--- 15336105 +>>15336087 +3*3^2*4 = 3*9*4 = 27 * 4 = 108 +--- 15336115 +>>15335907 +Interesting, but I have to tackle LA I and II first before moving on to sth more advanced. Can you tell me sth about the finitely dimensional case? On that note, do you have a take on this >>15335901? +--- 15336120 +>>15336081 +Oh yeah, I think you're right because the molecules that I had to decide the hybridization for all had pictures attached with them too. + +I'm interested to hear what it technically is though because my reading material just says that you can define a new basis using a linear combination of different atomic wavefunctions and that it's called hybridization. +--- 15336121 +>>15336105 +oh i forgot about the associative property and didn't understand how x could steal ys coefficient damn i'm retarded thank you +--- 15336124 +>>15336042 +>It is 0, right? +No. + +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauss_circle_problem?useskin=vector +--- 15336195 +>>15336115 +>Interesting, but I have to tackle LA I and II first before moving on to sth more advanced +Sure, enjoy! +>Can you tell me sth about the finitely dimensional case? +No difficulties here: just per Definition "kernel"="0-eigenspace": Av=0=0*v +--- 15336199 +>>15336120 +Exactly, I wanted to make a point that it is nothing but the name for a certain approximation that is comparatively easy to work with and yields very good qualitative and quantitative results +--- 15336209 +>>15336199 +Alright, nice. Then I understand it all. Thank you Anon. I appreciate your help +--- 15336211 +>>15336042 +I wouldn't say. I think it's the ratio of the number of points (a, b) within the square to the number of points on the disk. Both a and b are integers ofc. So the limit should converge to pi, since pi*r^2/r^2 = pi. +--- 15336218 +How much time needs to elapse between when you first eat something and when you begin farting out the gas created from digesting it. +--- 15336223 +>>15336218 +Your mom +--- 15336228 +>>15336121 +no worries + +>>15336195 +this is great. Thank you! +--- 15336252 +>>15336211 +I didn't recognize the error term. This is inaccurate. But the other anon linked a wiki resource that say the error term is smaller or equal to [math]|2\sqrt{2} \pi r|[/math], so we have [eqn]\pi \leq \lim_{r \to \infty} \frac{n(r)}{r^2} < \pi + \lim_{r \to \infty} \frac{|2\sqrt{2} \pi r|}{r^2} += \pi + \lim_{r \to \infty} \frac{|2\sqrt{2} \pi|}{r} = \pi + 0 = \pi[/eqn]and therefore the limit should be pi on account of the squeeze theorem. +--- 15336265 +>>15336025 +Maybe you can show that for all possible group homomorphisms Phi there exists an element a from Q/Z such that a is not 0 and Phi(a) = 0. In this case, it immediately follows that all group homomorphisms are not injective. This would be my first idea on how to try it. +--- 15336495 +>>15336265 +what about consider |1/4|, and |phi(1/4)|? +--- 15336498 +>>15335907 +I should add to my explanation: the main difference in infinite dimensions is that the set of c, such that (A - c*1) does not have an inverse, that is continuous (no nice theories, if it is not continuous, that's way), is then called the spectrum. It has an extra name because not all elements of the spectrum necessarily have a vector v, such that Av = c*v now. +--- 15336738 +>>15336495 +I don't know anything about constructible numbers, anon. I can't tell you anything more, sorry +--- 15337136 +let's say I have some polynomial of the form +[math]a_nx^n + a_{n-1}x^{n-1}...a_0[/math] +for a concrete example, let's say [math]a=1[/math] and consider a quartic: +[math]x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1[/math] + +here's the question: is there some mathematically concise way or notation to express "the family of functions of the above quartic polynomial derived from all of the different possible combinations of the same terms but differing signs of said quartic"? +or in less retarded terms +is there some concise way to express the family of polynomials +[math]x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1[/math] +[math]x^4-x^3+x^2+x+1[/math] +[math]x^4+x^3-x^2+x+1[/math] +[math]\dots[/math] +[math]-x^4+x^3-x^2+x-1[/math] +[math]\dots[/math] +[math]-x^4-x^3-x^2-x-1[/math] + +(I want to be able to generalize this to any degree polynomial) +--- 15337163 +are there any signal processing anons here? I need to extract MDCT coefficients from mp3 files, but I have almost no idea how to do it, and I cannot find anything on the internet. So far I have tried converting mp3 frames to pcm samples and then applying the MDCT function to those pcm samples, but the results seem strange. +--- 15337168 +>>15337136 +to be clear, I came up with a way, by representing the coefficients as binary numbers, for example +[math]x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1 \equiv 11111 \equiv p_{4,31}[/math] +[math]-x^4+x^3-x^2+x-1 \equiv 01010 \equiv p_{4,10}[/math] +and so on, where a negative is 0, a positive is 1, and [math]p_{order, decimal val.}[/math] + +but this is only convenient for shrinking it down. It's not very amenable to any kind of analysis or algebraic manipulation. +--- 15337173 +>>15337163 +what class is this for? Undergrad or grad? I'm a signal processing undergrad senior and we haven't touched anything like this yet in class. Seems neat though. +--- 15337198 +>>15337173 +its not for any class, I am just working on a side project that requires extracting MDCT coefficients from mp3 files. +--- 15337201 +>>15337136 +I think you could use Group Theory to describe this. Let [math]G := \{1,-1\}^\mathbb{N}[/math] with termwise multiplication as product. +Now you can define a group action of [math]G[/math] on [math]\mathbb{C}[x][/math]. + +[eqn] g \cdot \sum_{k=0}^N a_k x^k = \sum_{k=0}^N g_k a_k x^k [/eqn] +where [math]g = (g_0 , g_1 , \ldots)[/math]. + +The family of of polynomials you posted is then just the orbit under this group operarion [math]G \cdot (x^4 +x^3 + x^2 + x + 1)[/math]. +--- 15337953 +Consider the transcendent field extension K_1(t) = L with t in K_2. What does it mean that the set of polynomials P(t) in L is "algebraically equivalent" to the set of polynomials P(x) in K_1? I came across this phrase and I can't find a formal definition for it. +--- 15337989 +Can someone familiar with journal articles please help me figure out the main claim and sub-claims of this article? We have a mandatory research skills module in freshman year and it's incredibly frustrating. + +I think the main claim is the first two paragraphs of the abstract, but I'm conflicted, because the last two paragraphs also express the same thing. + +https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.quaint.2016.08.036 +--- 15337991 +>>15337989 +This is the first time I've ever read a research paper. I have no clue what I'm doing. +--- 15337993 +>>15337989 +>connection is not secure +post the pdf into the thread +--- 15338017 +>>15337993 +NTA regular DOI https://doi.org/10.1016/j.quaint.2016.08.036 +Title +"Plants before farming: The deep history of plant-use and representation in the rock art of Australia's Kimberley region" +researchgate has a pdf +https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312412099_Plants_before_farming_The_deep_history_of_plant-use_and_representation_in_the_rock_art_of_Australia's_Kimberley_region +>>15337989 +Try researchgate before sci-hub and other methods such as googling the title in quotes to check if it is otherwise public. Unless you live in a country where nobody cares about piracy. +>main claim and sub-claims of this article +I don't know about your class and the professors notion of what "main" or "sub-claims" are, so I can only go on my notion of the meaning. You should've posted the specific definitions or instructions as well if you wanted hints. +>We have a mandatory research skills module in freshman year and it's incredibly frustrating. +Given how bad the article you linked was written I'm going to have to conclude your professor is a moron, so that probably doesn't help you any. Please clarify what the retard thinks "main" and "sub-claim" mean. + +Anyway, to my general reckoning the MAIN claim in THIS article is that rock art should also be taken as evidence in corroborating notions of plant use. Various sub-claims to my reckoning ought follow from this as claims relating to other lines of evidence. I can't fathom how anyone thinks wasting your time on this is useful but oh well. +--- 15338020 +>>15337993 +>>15337989 +here fren +--- 15338025 +>>15338017 +We have to learn general research skills with these articles before going to research related to our major. +We were just asked to find the main claim and sub-claims of this article. I think we have to select the sentences from the article that express the main and sub-claims. +--- 15338094 +>>15338025 +>>15338017 + +Can I use the last two paragraphs of the abstract as the main claim? Without the word instead. +--- 15338095 +>>15338094 +last two sentences* +--- 15338102 +>>15338025 +>We have to learn general research skills with these articles before going to research related to our major. +This paper is what I'd use to explain "this is what not to do when writing a research paper" by example. If this is the gold standard your professor thinks is good writing I don't suppose it's too late to run? +>We were just asked to find the main claim and sub-claims of this article. I think we have to select the sentences from the article that express the main and sub-claims. +Gave you my thoughts >>15338017 but I'll further it with an example of what I mean. Conceptually, let's assume we only have the abstract. The main claims could be any of the following or more, +>>the orthodox notion of agriculture cumulatively and inevitably developing from foragers' gathering practices is increasingly untenable. +or +>>recent archaeological, botanical and genetic research from Asia and Australia show precocious manipulation of plant resources that continue for millennia within a forager ideology and practice without culminating in ‘agriculture’. +or +>>rock art is a primary record of long-term sophisticated physical and symbolic manipulation of plants that fits neither into the simplistic categories of ‘foraging’ or of ‘agriculture’. +or +>>Rather, we have a society in which people actively chose not to pursue orthodox agriculture while according plants a central place in their lives. +All of these are equally possible as the "main claim", in lieu of any detail in the article. To determine which is the more relevant and primary you have to read the whole article. That abstract is a goddamn crime but you can still figure it out by RTFA. + +Pro tip: The segments 1-7 SHOULD, though the article author is the worst writer I've ever seen in my life, provide an outline and flow of thoughts. So which of the many claims is the "main claim" ought be self evident. This article is an example of "how not to write research papers" in my opinion but oh well. +--- 15338221 +>>15338102 +This is a mandatory module. I think it was created to get undergrads familiar with research from the first semester. + +Thank you fren. It's much clearer now. + +Can you help me with the sub-claims as well? I have some written down, but I'm not entirely sure if they're right +--- 15338228 +Is there an algorithm to determine the minimal polynomial given an algebraic number? For example, consider the algebraic number[eqn]\sum_{k = 1}^n k^{\frac{1}{2}}[/eqn]What would be the minimal polynomial for a given [math]k \in \mathbb{N}[/math]? +--- 15338246 +>>15338228 +Don't you mean for a given n? +Either way you use trial-and-error +For example for n=10 the minimal polynomial is + +[eqn]{x}^{16}-96\,{x}^{15}+3928\,{x}^{14}-89568\,{x}^{13}+1243820\,{x}^{12} +-10681440\,{x}^{11}+53150088\,{x}^{10}-105773280\,{x}^{9}-306405418\,{ +x}^{8}+2147919840\,{x}^{7}-2872989528\,{x}^{6}-6781142688\,{x}^{5}+ +19259216972\,{x}^{4}+1820726496\,{x}^{3}-29925033224\,{x}^{2}+ +1545510240\,x+10788246961 + [/eqn] +--- 15338264 +>>15338246 +That's what I meant, yes. Wow, it surprises me that there is no algorithm. Do you know of a proof that no such algorithm exists? On that note: Could it the answer be related to the fact that there is no formula for quintic polynomials? +--- 15338272 +Does a double negative number always equal a positive? + +for example at the beginning of the equation -x where -x = -3 +-(-3) does that just make it positive 3? +--- 15338299 +>>15338272 +Yes, if the elements are from a ring (or from a field, which is a ring). +--- 15338334 +>>15338221 +>Can you help me with the sub-claims as well? I have some written down, but I'm not entirely sure if they're right +Yes. I will try to refrain from further commenting on the various ways I wish a pox on your professor. Maybe. Taken as something analogous to categories and sets, a "subclaim" is only sensible within the scope of whatever one chooses is "the main claim". + +So given claim A, then it is a group comprised of sets whose elements are the evidences following from A and some given set. A[1{ ... }, 2{ ... }, 3{ ... }]. Subclaims necessarily follow from the main claim. That is, "if A is true, then B is true", so "A is true therefore B". If one is going to claim art should represent a piece of evidence, then the subcomponents or subsets of that claim ought follow "assuming A is true" and further claim individual examples are evidence assuming art represents plant usage. + +Just don't fuck up and end up thinking "B is true therefore A" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent +Or end up thinking the modus tollens variant (not-B therefore not-A) is somehow a fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_tollens +And if your professor confuses the two I retract my desire to only drown him in minecraft. I've met some very, very bad professors in my time. Can you tell? +--- 15338362 +>>15338299 +>Guy asks about 3rd grade negative rules +>Answers with rings and fields +Does a fedora that large hurt your neck? +--- 15338378 +>>15338362 +if he didn't understand, he would've just asked again +--- 15338390 +Consider an algebraic field extension K(t) of degree n. Why is it obvious that all polynomials from K(t) are of degree n - 1? +--- 15338459 +>>15338390 +K(t) is a vector space over K with the dimension n. +1, t , t^2 , ... , t^(n-1) are all lineary independent which means they form a basis. +--- 15338485 +>>15338272 +>Does a double negative number always equal a positive? +Assuming a lot of things, like just talking about the real number line, yes. As the negative, as a qualifier "prefix" to a number or whatever, means the inverse of something. e.g. -3 is the inverse of 3, -x is the inverse of x, etc. Since our regular numbers are symmetrical around their origin, or 0, i.e. equidistant from 0 whether positive or inverted. + +It would help you to not be confused if you advance further to not think of qualifiers as identical to operators. Granted it would help all the more if we didn't use the same fucking symbol for it, but that's a lost cause. It would help even further if at some point we explicitly told people "subtracting" actually means inverting by some magnitude. (-3) - (-3) is therefore "the inverse of 3 inverted by another inverse of 3", which is why it ends up being 0 and why "negative numbers" are positive when acted upon by the inverse operator (the negative sign). + +In this context of course the inverse can also simply be thought of as "the reverse" by some magnitude for simplicity sake. As "the reversal by the magnitude of the inverse of 3" would also be 3. Just detailing these kinds of things so you're comfortable trying to think about it in different ways. + +That only works if, and only if, the numbers you're working with are symmetric across some origin point. For the simple number line and most purposes they are symmetric about origin, or axis, or 0. Though if you're clever you will immediately note that "0" cannot be said to have an inverse in the normal sense, except conceptually as an origin point wherein one could "invert" the axis and bla bla wheel theory and irrelevant algebraic structure shit. +>>15338299 +>Yes, if the elements are from a ring (or from a field, which is a ring). +Not necessarily (: +>>See also wheel theory +>>15338362 is right though you're just being unhelpful if someone is asking such a simple pragmatic question. +--- 15338530 +>>15338390 +Because t has a degree n minimal polynomial over K, it follows that t^n is in the K-linear span of the lower powers of t +--- 15338538 +>>15338459 +>>15338530 +great thanks +--- 15338727 +>>15338334 +good answer. +>>15338221 +anon, if you're thinking the main claim is: >>rock art is a primary record of long-term sophisticated physical and symbolic manipulation of plants that fits neither into the simplistic categories of ‘foraging’ or of ‘agriculture’ +its not +look more broadly. +the orthodox notion of agriculture cumulatively and inevitably developing from foragers' gathering practices is increasingly untenable. +--- 15339246 +>>15333685 +It's wrong +--- 15339315 +>>15338390 +the other day i thought of a different answer to this, i'd like a more skilled algebraist to comment on my idea: +let f(x) denote the minimal polynomial of t (hence has degree n) +then if g(x) is a polynomial of degree >= n, we can divide g by f to get +g(x) = f(x)h(x) + r(x) +evaluated at t then, g(t) = 0 + r(t) +where r(t) is of degree strictly less than n +and as far as i can tell this would hold in a more general setting than polynomials over a field? although we've not been concerned much with algebraic extensions of rings +--- 15339392 +>>15339315 +some further thoughts on this: +the kernel of the evaluation morphism [math]ev_a:k[x]\rightarrow k[t] [/math] is generated by f (do we really need the fact that k[x] is a pid for this?), so by the first isomorphism theorem [math]k[x]/\langle f(x) \rangle \simeq k[t][/math] +now as in my above post if g(x) = f(x)h(x) + r(x), then g(x) is in the coset identified with r(x) + +so my stupid question is: +given a commutative ring R, and an R-algebra A such that there is an "algebraic" element t in A (that is, there exists a nonzero polynomial f(x) in R[x] s.t. f(t) = 0). Is there a unique minimal polynomial for t? (without any guarantee that R[x] is a PID) My guess is no, but it's too late at night to think of counterexamples. +But if R is a PID, then everything is fine and the above isomorphism still holds right? +--- 15339404 +>>15339392 +Worthless +--- 15339427 +I have two full time terms of CS left to get a CS degree, same goes for math (pure). I used my (federal) student loans to finance the expansion of an agriculture business I started, and it’s been going well enough that I have no interest in waging, but I still find myself, at times, longing to work on something more interesting. What would you advise? I’m interested in math, CS, finance and ecology but really don’t like someone telling me what to do. Self study doesn’t quite scratch the itch I’m seeking to satisfy. +--- 15339466 +How long does the rabies virus survive outside the body in saliva? + +If you touch X object with saliva (dry or wet) reasonable to say you have rabies in your hands???? +--- 15339475 +>>15339466 +Depends on the specific conditions, but generally not more than a few hours. +--- 15339543 +>>15338334 +Thanks for helping, anon. Really appreciate it! +>I've met some very, very bad professors in my time +Haters +--- 15339554 +>>15339427 +Try out a minor, it'll give you that scratch but at the same time allow you to maintain your business +--- 15339566 +>>15339543 +Should echo what >>15338727 mentioned I was repeatedly saying "if" but in case it was not explicit enough I was not endeavoring to do your homework for you. Quite intentionally. I don't even know if the other anons notion is right or not. +--- 15339567 +>>15339554 +A minor? What do you mean? I’m two terms away from graduating with either a Math or CS degree, my minor requirements are fulfilled in both. My problem is that I don’t see a need to complete the degree, but still want to do interesting work. +--- 15339906 +Why do I feel so well rested when I decide to sleep several hours later than my normal sleep schedule? I do that sometimes to try and get my sleep schedule back to normal and I always notice how good I feel when I wake up. But if I'm going to sleep and waking up at a consistent time I don't usually feel as great. +--- 15339912 +>>15339906 +>get my sleep schedule back to normal +try not kissing boomer ass once in a while +--- 15340073 +What is the average distance between two points in a circle? +--- 15340235 +>>15340073 +The distance between two points [math](x,y)[/math] and [math](x',y')[/math] with respect to the norm [math]\|.\|[/math] is [math]\|(x - x',y - y') \|[/math]. +To average it out you will need to specifiy a probability distribution for the points. If you use the uniform distribution when you get it as an integral over a 4-dimensional set +[eqn] \frac{1}{\pi^2 R^4} \int_{\underset{x'^2 + y'^2 \leq R^2}{x^2 + y^2 \leq R^2}} \|(x - x',y - y') \| d(x,y,x',y')[/eqn] +Assuming the radius of the circle is [math]R[/math]. Hope this helped. +--- 15340236 +>>15339392 +some clarification: by a minimal polynomial for t, I mean a polynomial that generates the kernel of the evaluation morphism (or equivalently other polynomials with t as a root factors through the minimal polynomial). +And the last line should have read ''.. if R[x] is a PID..'', ofc this happens iff R is a field, so that part of the question is redundant. + +Now I have found some sort of a counterexample, consider the [math]\mathbb{Z}[/math]-algebra [math]\mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}[/math] and t = 2 in [math]\mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}[/math], the minimal polynomial is x-2, but [math]f(x) = x^2[/math] also has 2 as a root and does not factor through x-2. Now this is a rather shitty counterexample, we really don't think of [math]\mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}[/math] as an extension ring of [math]\mathbb{Z}[/math]. + +So my new stupid question is: +given a commutative ring R and an R-algebra A such that the structure morphism [math]\phi:R\rightarrow A[/math] given by [math]r\mapsto r\cdot 1_A[/math] is injective (so A a proper ring extension of R) +if there is an "algebraic" element [math]t\in A[/math] (that is, there is a polynomial [math]f(x)\in R[x][/math] s.t. [math]f(t) = 0[/math]), is the kernel of the evaluation morphism [math]ev_t:R[x]\rightarrow R[t] [/math] (defined by [math]f(x)\mapsto f(t)[/math] ofc) generated by a single element of R[x]? +What if [math]R = \mathbb{Z}[/math]? (nicest ring short of a field) +Again my guess is no, but I'm struggling to find a counterexample. + +>>15339404 +don't be rude anon, I'd really like an answer to my question +--- 15340256 +Is qualia still on-topic for /sci/? +--- 15340598 +why does electrocution cause your skeleton to become visible? +--- 15340860 +>>15338264 +bump +--- 15340881 +If we assume that a regular n-gon is constructible, how would we show that a 2n-gon is too constructible? +--- 15340912 +>>15340881 +Construct the bisectors of all sides and the circumcircle then intersect them. +--- 15340930 +>>15338264 +For the n=10 case you know that + +[eqn]\sum_{k=1}^{10} \sqrt{k} \in \mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{2},\sqrt{3},\sqrt{5},\sqrt{7})[/eqn] +So it makes sense to expect the minimal polynomial to have the degree 2^4 = 16. + +For n = 20 +[eqn]\sum_{k=1}^{20} \sqrt{k} \in \mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{2},\sqrt{3},\sqrt{5},\sqrt{7},\sqrt{11},\sqrt{13},\sqrt{17},\sqrt{19})[/eqn] +So the minimal polynomail should have degree 2^8 = 256. Maple does indeed give me one but it already takes an eternity to calculate it. + +But for general n you would need to have a formula that tells you how many prime numbers there are up to n to even guess the degree much less calculate it explicitely. +--- 15340946 +>>15340930 +Great explanation, thank you. However, I don't think it proves that there can't be a more efficient algorithm other than trial and error. As I see it, it only shows that such an algorithm has to somehow incorporate an additional algorithm for the search of prime numbers. But those exist, ofc. +--- 15341084 +>>15340447 → +can anyone help or give direction? +--- 15341151 +I'm fucking retarded. I have that [math] \sum_{k=0}^p {p \choose k}x_{p-k}=p^n [/math], where [math]x_p=S_{n,p}[/math] is the number of surjective mappings from the set [math] \{1,2,\dots,n\} [/math] to the set [math] \{1,2,\dots, p\} [/math]. How do I show that [math] S_{n,p}=x_p=\sum_{k=0}^p (-1)^k {p \choose k} (p-k)^n [/math]. The first part of the problem was proving the first identity, and you're supposed to deduce the second identity from it, so I don't think surjectivity should enter into the argument at any point. It should just be a proof by induction using basic algebra, but I can't figure it out. Help a fren out. +--- 15341312 +>>15339246 +If that's the case, what's the right answer? There's a whole proof in the book I'm studying(Apostol Vol. I) that relies on this, so where do I find the Errata and corrected proof? +--- 15341346 +>>15340598 +It doesn't. + +The skeleton lighting up like a neon sign is a visual +gag holdover from the early days of cartoons and films +(1920s-1930s). What physically happens to +people in an electrocution are the following: +>loss of consciousness and bodily control +>body tensing up/contracting, especially hands +>entry and/or exit wounds from the grounding of electricity +>second or even third-degree burns +>body smoking or even self-igniting +>death...lots of it + +Check out some Liveleak videos for visual examples. +--- 15341373 +am I wrong in saying that the nodal analysis for the V- path here is just [math]\frac{V_--V_1}{R_3}[/math] + [math]\frac{V_-}{R_2 + R_4}[/math]? I'm a little confused how the extra branch on the output with R4 affects the feedback path and by extension the inverting input of the op amp, if at all. +--- 15341534 +can someone help me with this? It's an exercise where you have to find the sequence in which functions are ordered by asymptotic growth rate (from slower to fastest) but I don't understand why the right answer is D +--- 15341605 +>>15341534 +The Order of Growth rules tell you that [math]\Theta(n^c) < \Theta(c^{\log{n}}) < \Theta(n^{\log{n}}) < \Theta(c^n)[/math]. + +The only function that isn't so obvious is showing that [math]\Theta(n^c) < \Theta({n \choose c}) < \Theta(c^{\log{n}})[/math]. But if you write out the terms you should be able to see it grows as *roughly* [math]n^c[/math]. +--- 15341799 +>>15341346 +>Liveleak +F +--- 15341807 +>>15341373 +>I'm a little confused how the extra branch on the output with R4 affects the feedback pat +It doesn't. Current gets divided, but that's irrelevant here. +Vout gets voltage divided by R2 and R1. The output of the divider is V-, which is set to equal V+. To solve for Vout, you have to invert the voltage divider equation. +--- 15341811 +>>15339427 +>but really don’t like someone telling me what to do. +>Self study doesn’t quite scratch the itch I’m seeking to satisfy. +well, pick one, because knowledge doesn't come as a suppository +--- 15341823 +>>15341312 +I'm not sure what a 'right answer' would be. There is a statement that is wrong. Are you looking for a way to simplify either the left- or right-hand-side? +--- 15341832 +>>15332629 (OP) +>Complete the following reactions with the correct reagents +I am a tard taking orgo so these questions seem virtually impossible. What are some strategies and tips for solving these style problems? +--- 15341835 +>>15341832 +forgot attachment +--- 15341839 +>>15341823 +This is the whole theorem in context. +--- 15341851 +>>15341151 +Do you know about binomial inversion? +--- 15341854 +3^{-2x} - 3^{-x} = 2 +There's something I'm missing here on how to solve this, tried factoring out 3^{-x} but I'm feeling kinda really dum, shouldn't be as hard. +--- 15341858 +>>15333685 +Oh. Just a typo then. In your original post you wrote [math]\frac{b^p+1}{n^p+1}[/math] instead of [math]\frac{b^{p+1}}{n^{p+1}}[/math]. You instead have your equality immediately once you move [math]\frac{b^p}{n^p}[/math] inside the sum. +>>15341854 +Notice that [math]3^{-2x} = (3^{-x})^2[/math] +--- 15341859 +>>15341854 +[math]3^{-2x} - 3^{-x} = 2[/math] +Good job. +--- 15341862 +>>15341854 +Let [math]y = 3^{-x}[/math], so [math]y^2 - y = 2[/math] and solve the quadratic. +--- 15342075 +Are there lava monsters in the earth's mantle? +--- 15342082 +pic related. I wasn't interested in getting lectured about nofap. I feel like it's healthy, fun, and free. I just wanted to know if there was an app that filters my search history and stuff. Something that leaves the useful content and gets rid of the unuseful content. I would like to be able to hand my phone, laptop, or desktop to someone else and porn doesn't show up in the search or history, but all of the other normal, useful stuff remains. Is there not an app for this? + +I could have used incognito or something, but it's too late. Now all of the useful stuff is mixed with less than useful stuff. + +thanks folks. +--- 15342219 +>>15342082 +You could have a separate guest account for other people to use +--- 15342919 +>>15342219 +Or better yet, a separate account for masturbatory purposes. +--- 15343731 +I wanna do something with phenol red, but I've heard that I MUST use gloves. Is phenol red so dangerous? +--- 15343838 +I'm getting confused right now because I'm quoting too many politicians: If I quote a politician, let's say Merkel, and I find that part of what she said in an online article of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, with that article being written by a guy named Müller: + +Do I quote "(Merkel, 2015)" or "(Müller, 2015)"? I am quoting in verbatim. It would make sense to quote "Merkel", but what do I put in the reference list then? It has to be Müller's article, right? So I would have to go by Müller (2015)... bla. +It also doesn't feel right to do "Merkel, cited in Müller" in this occasion, this is reserved for when I found an academic quote in another source, right? And since I'm talking about narratives and discourses, it can't be that I go with this because I really hardly ever see discourses being quoted like this +--- 15343970 +is it possible to get into med school after being out of college for years and having no connections? I thought you needed academic letters of recommendation with all the test scores and stuff +--- 15344109 +>>15332727 +James Stewart's Calculus Vol. 1 +--- 15345067 +>>15341835 +remember carbonyls are the most versatile functional group +--- 15345178 +>>15341832 +>>15341835 +bare minimum, you need to know how to read bond line structures, otherwise the rest of this post will not make sense to you. +next, you need to be able to recognize the functional groups. you can see in b) that the molecule starts with an ester and ends with an ether. ochem is all about changes in functional groups; once you know which ones you're dealing with, recall what reactions use esters, and what reactions form ethers, to start piecing together a series of reactions. +another important thing to look out for is a change in the number of carbons in the molecule, since only a handful of reagents are capable of adding or removing them. for a) I could immediately tell the reagent you're looking for is a Grignard because the product has a new C-C bond. Grignards form tertiary alcohols (an OH bonded to a C bonded to three other C's) when reacted with ketones. your starting compound is not a ketone but a secondary alcohol. so you need to turn the secondary alcohol into a ketone before you can use a Grignard reagent to turn it into a tertiary alcohol. +the rest of the problem solving process is just a matter of learning all of the reactions of each functional group and remembering them with practice. good luck. +--- 15345216 +Trying to wrap my head around multivariate differentiation. Let [math]\varphi: \mathbb{R}^d \to \mathbb{R}^k[/math] be [math]C^\infty[/math]. Define [math]F: \mathbb{R}^d \times \mathbb{R}^d \to \mathbb{R}^k[/math] by [math]F(x,u) = d \varphi (x) \cdot u[/math], where [math]d \varphi (x): \mathbb{R}^d \to \mathbb{R}^k[/math] is the derivative of [math]\varphi[/math] at [math]x[/math]. How to show that [math]F[/math] is [math]C^\infty[/math]? +--- 15345329 +are hands supposed to be squeaky clean or smooth after washing? I always hated liquid soaps due to smooth/greasy feeling, but apparently squeaky is "le bad" according to jewgle. so which one is it and what feeling is left behind surgical soaps? +--- 15345376 +>>15345216 +The k-th component of F is [math] \sum_i u^i \partial_i \phi^k(x) [/math] and it's enough to show that all these components are smooth. +--- 15345480 +>>15345376 +Thanks, I think that's all I needed to hear. I can make sense of this problem now. +--- 15346042 +hey, don't know if this is the place to ask but figured you guys might know. if 2 people play a game where they wanna roll a 2 or 5, taking turns, whats the odds player 1 wins? +--- 15346064 +>>15346042 +Call the odds that player 1 wins p + +p = (1/3) + (2/3)*(2/3)*p +(5/9) p = 1/3 +p = 3/5 +--- 15346108 +>>15346064 +thank you for the reply but do you mind explaining this to me? +I get that 1/3+2/3*2/3*p is just 5/9*p, but how do you go from 5/9 p = 1/3 = p =3/5? +thanks again for the help. +--- 15346406 +I decided to read some chapters in the napkin but because I skipped some I don't know the notation used here (specifically the [math]K((X))[/math] part). +Any ideas? +For context [math]K[[X]][/math] is the set of generating function with coefficients in the field [math]X[/math] and based on the stuff below [math]K((X))[/math] is probably the set (field?) of laurent series with coefficients from [math]X[/math]. + +It is not needed for reading further but I would like to know what it means, just out of curiosity, without having to skip through the earlier chapters. +--- 15346417 +Does someone have a good reference for an approach to Hodge theory or complex geometry using functional analysis? +--- 15346430 +>>15346406 +You know how to construct the rationals from the integers? +You can do the exact same construction with any commutative ring to get a field called the fraction field. K((X)) is just the fraction field you get from K[[X]]. +--- 15346499 +>>15346430 +Oh yeah I get it now. And apparently K((X)), the fraction field of K[[X]], is also the laurent series (which is a pretty nice). Thanks! +--- 15346557 +Whats the lim of g(x) when x tends to 4 and g is a function with the properties like: +|g(x) + 5| <= 3(4 - x)^2 for x in the intervals of [3 , 5] +--- 15346577 +>>15343838 +Merkel said "..." (Mueller, 2015) +it seems to me +--- 15346598 +>>15346557 +-5 +--- 15346633 +How was i supposed to know that: +1. It was Ni+2 there? +2. It would make a hybridization of sp2d (which i've never heard of in my entire fucking life, what the hell?)? +3. The electron from the last 3d orbital would stay in that sub-level? +4. That hybridization with orbitals outside the valence shell were possible? (I mean, how does that make sense?) + +My professor sucks and every time i ask him something, he tells me to study more and goes to jack off or something. Please, i just want to understand this shit. None of the material i read tackles this. +--- 15346656 +Why people with adhd like myself (Yes, I'm egotistic how could you tell) that are highly irritable, disagreeable, impulsive, neurotic or/and prone to anger tend to be confused for schizophrenics, autists or people with borderline (even when they clearly don't fit critteria; they are just uber insufferable even when right)? Is it solely because of choice of medication (aka HOW DARE they prescribe that fuck which pisses me off amphetamine (disregard that said person doesn't even like to take it), he needs to be forced to take antipsychotics or antidepressants so hopefully they suffer/find it unpleasant)? Because I feel like that's the main reason behind this bias even tho all people with neurological disorders are treated like children that can't decide for themselves (autist being treated like downies, schizos/bipolar/adhdtards forced to take their medication so they shut the fuck up) +--- 15346703 +>>15346633 +1. The complex has 4x CN- ions, and an overall charge of -2, meaning the Ni must be +2 to balance charges +2. Ligand field theory (picrel). A metal center with four ligands is either gonna be tetrahedral or square planar (i.e. px, py, and dxy orbitals) +3. I don't get your question, but likely as a result of the hybridization changing energy levels enough to overcome Hund's rule +4. 3d and 4p/s orbitals are all valence shell, review how the Aufbau principle works + +Hybridization is a bit of a shaky concept in inorganic chemistry, and I'm not sure why your prof is wasting your time with it. You basically have to unlearn the handwavy "rules" you learned in Ochem, and re-learn them from the perspective of point group symmetry. +--- 15346984 +What is the best way to know someone is gaslighting you in the moment? +--- 15347536 +Is there a closed formula for number of surjections on finite sets? +--- 15347625 +>>15347536 +The number of surjections from [math]\{1,2,\dots,m\}[/math] to [math]\{1,2,\dots,n\}[/math] with [math]m \geq n[/math] is [math]\sum_{k=0}^n (-1)^k \binom{n}{k}(n-k}^m[/math]. +This follows from inclusion-exclusion, counting first all [math]n^m[/math]functions, removing the ones that miss at least one point, adding back the ones that miss 2, ... +--- 15347806 +If T is a linear operator on a real vector space of odd dimension, then [math]T^2 + I[/math] is non zero, as [math]det(T^2) \ge 0[/math] whereas [math]det(I) = -1[/math]. + +How would you prove this without using determinants? +--- 15347807 +What does it mean, when people say you cant solve the navier-stokes-equation? What does it mean when people say you can approximate the solution with numerical analysis? What is a numerical analysis? +--- 15347812 +>>15347806 +whoops, meant to write [math]det(-I) = -1[/math] of course +--- 15347941 +ln = natural logarithm (log base e) +e = 2.7182 +How would I determine x for: +lnx + x = 5 +I know trial and error will get me an answer close to 3.65 but what is the mathematical way of finding x? +I have just started Calculus +Thank you in advance. +--- 15347968 +>>15347941 +Start with a guess like +[math]x_0 := 3.65 [/math] +then just iterate +[eqn]x_{k+1} = \frac{x_k(6 - \log(x_k))}{1+x_k}[/eqn] + +The solution of the equation will be the limit [math]x = \lim_{k \to \infty} x_k[/math]. +--- 15347987 +>>15347806 +Hint: Consider T as a linear operator on the complexification of the vector space and use the fact that [math] T^2 + I = (T + i)(T - i) [/math] + +>>15347807 +>you cant solve the navier-stokes-equation? +That's wrong +>What does it mean when people say you can approximate the solution with numerical analysis? What is a numerical analysis? +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_analysis +--- 15347988 +>>15347807 +They are a set of linked 3-dimension differential equations. There are no known closed-form solutions to the general equations, only for certain simple situations. So we can't write down an equation for the answer using analytic functions given all the input parameters and geometry. All we can do is solve the equations using computer algorithms to find approximate solutions. + +For example if we could solve Navier-Stokes then we would improve our understanding turbulence and hypersonic flight by several orders of magnitude. However all we can do at the moment is throw supercomputers at the problem. +--- 15348049 +What symbol is this? Approximately greater than? +--- 15348137 +>>15348049 +The Latex symbol is \gtrsim but its meaning depends on the context. +--- 15348224 +the set of all binary strings may be enumerated in lexicographic order: 0, 1, 00, 01, 10, 11, 000, 001 ... and so on + +is there a closed form formula (by which I mean any reasonable math-y expression, as opposed to an algorithm or computer code) for the n-th string in this enumeration? +--- 15348239 +>>15348224 +Well if n starts from 0 then add 2 to n then remove the most significant bit (first digit in binary string) +--- 15348444 +All things being equal, if I bend a first class lever and adjust the fulcrum accordingly will the forces still be the same? +--- 15349488 +>>15348444 +yes, the torque is just the cross product of the force and the displacement (from the axis of rotation) to the point where its being applied +--- 15349501 +>>15347941 +Use a root-finding algorithm such as Newton's method or Halley's method. There is no closed-form solution in terms of elementary functions. There *is* a closed-form expression in terms of Lambert's W function: ln(x)+x=5 => xe^x=e^5 => x=W(e^5). But W is invariably evaluated using root-finding. +--- 15350078 +So why is the Big Bang justified? Couldn't there have easily have been a Big Gang Bang where the Chaos of eons beginning blacked the Cosmos of becoming? Equally logically possible is the Time Pussy Dilation where spacetime bends to let out the biracial baby of both Chaos and Cosmos. +--- 15350235 +when a photon is absorbed and then re-emitted from an electron in an atom, does it always re-emit from the same position where it was absorbed, or can it appear from anywhere in the electron cloud? + +I'm assuming if it can be from anywhere, the reflected angle is still the same regardless, it can't alter it's direction because then the atom would need to somehow create energy in alternate directions and deal with energy it just gained in directions it isn't using +--- 15350331 +>>15350235 +Spontaneous emission of the photon is completely random. It can be in any direction. +--- 15350363 +>>15350331 +it's not random +--- 15350590 +>>15350363 +Yes it is, I have no idea why you would think otherwise unless you are thinking about stimulated emission which occurs in things like lasers. +--- 15350755 +Help, how did they get 87% for the first question? Obviously this answer gives the answer for 2nd question as 13%, but I don't get what they did to get 87%. +--- 15350768 +>Limit the total number of figures and tables to no more than 8, place secondary figures and tables, pictorial figures, and over-sized tables in Supplementary Material +so no more than 8 in manuscript WITH supplementary material? +--- 15350769 +>>15350768 +Have you never heard of an appendix before? +--- 15350771 +>>15350755 +[eqn] F(13) - F(7) = F(10 + 1.5 \cdot 2) - F(10 - 1.5 \cdot 2) = \Phi(1.5) - \Phi(-1.5) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi}} \int_{-1.5}^{1.5} e^{-t^2/2} dt \approx 86.6\%[/eqn] +You have to use numerical integration to approximate the integral as it has no closed form solution. +--- 15350773 +>>15350769 +rude +--- 15350774 +>>15350771 +Or you can just look at the table they've provided in the question +--- 15350777 +>>15350771 +>>15350774 +Thank you, I was wondering what bounds they used and why, seeing the integral there I realize that 7 and 13 is +-1.5 std from 10. +--- 15350787 +>>15350771 +Do you happen to know if ti-84 can calculate error functions or am I just gonna have to integrate like you did? It worked with integrals but shortcuts are always welcome +--- 15350894 +I just started reading this book on reflection and coxeter groups by James E. Humphreys and I just wanted some clarification on this passage where he lists some examples for reflection groups. Since he doesn't unambiguously define [math]A_{n-1}[/math] anywhere, I figured it's just [math]S_n[/math] acting on the [math](n-1)-[/math]dimensional Euclidean space as described, since anything else wouldn't really make sense. But I just wanted to be sure. +--- 15351156 +>T=n1+2n2+3n3+4n4... +in this equation 1 is exponent of 1n, right? +2 is exponent of 2n and 3 is exponent of 3n, right? +--- 15351265 +>>15351156 +it's gibberish unless you write it in latex or a picture. +--- 15351804 +>if you flip a coin 100 times and it lands on heads 99 that means the probability of getting heads is .99 +Why do statards believe this? +--- 15351843 +i noticed that in some papers in zoology (ecology) "survival rate" is not the same as "Sr" but how do they differ? "Sr" probably means exactly "limited annual survial rate" so if i understand it correctly, if Sr =0.9 then 90% of population survives to the next year +--- 15352156 +Scientifically speaking, what's the reason we can close our eyes and mouth but not our ears? +--- 15352330 +What is [math] \epsilon_{jki}\delta_{ii}A_k [/math]? +--- 15353272 +Just thought some of you guys might get a kick out of this. Yes this was a real published research paper. +--- 15353479 +>>15332629 (OP) +This reality makes me incredibly uncomfortable as if it was just me all along, just playing with myself. Can I get rid of this feeling without seeing a shrink? Please don't troll me or anything. +--- 15353509 +>>15353479 +More details +--- 15353602 +>>15353509 +Not like it even matters at this point, if I was truly a valued member of society there wouldn't be this many control mechanisms put in place just to force me to be here in this society + +This is ridiculous, all of it is +--- 15353895 +I think my TA hates me. He's responsible for taking bi-weekly sign-offs on workshop tutorials, which adds up to 20% of the grade. +He was pretty active on the group chat and told us that the next signoff would be held on a day we had exams. He texted the group chat at 11:50, so I privately texted him at 11:55 (WhatsApp) and told him that we had a test at that time. This guy throws a temper tantrum on the group chat the next day and tells us that some individual texted him at midnight on a public holiday and he would block the numbers of anyone who continues to do so. I think he blocked me or deleted my message because it wasn't read. No one else told him and he found out at the last moment that we had an exam. Informs us 2 hours before the exam that the signoff would be conducted one hour before the exam. +No one shows up, so he changes the time to after the exam and doesn't show up. + +Should I apologize the next time we meet, or just ignore it? +--- 15354008 +My assignment is to dectect this shape, what do? I know something something sbout frequency transform, line detection etc and that's it, wtf do I do next? I know I'm supposed to use machine learning, but I know near nothing about it. Can someone give me some starting point? +--- 15354015 +does anyone know if its possible to strike the air so hard you can briefly set it on fire? i wanna know if this sort of thing can happen in a logical manner cause i wanna use it as an ability for my fantasy OC +--- 15354036 +I have to find the lagrangian of this system, but I'm not quite sure about which generalized coordinates should I choose, any suggestion? The rod is rolling (without slipping) over fixed disc. +--- 15354042 +>>15354015 +or if its possible to move something so fast you manage to set it on fire like a match using air friction +--- 15354044 +>>15353895 +why would you apologize? This is his own doing +--- 15354056 +>>15354042 +okay is there a fucking way to make fire out of thin air? +--- 15354080 +>>15354056 +at mach 25ish (atmospheric reentry speeds) the air starts to ionize +--- 15354082 +>>15354056 +fire requires a source, heat and oxygen. you only have two of those. +--- 15354218 +>>15332629 (OP) +Good Morning /Sci/entists! + +>Why I am asking +I built a better version of Kurumi MaidCard which will have no dependency on Pastebin, because Pastebin jannied MiniMaid. + +I built a new MiniMaid which can be posted in 4Chan posts as four java classes. Just save them in the same directory and compile them and now you have MiniMaid and you can open Maid Cards with it to get Kurumi MaidCard so you can make them too. + +I want to release it /sci/ instead of /g/ because it is an example of Applied Computational Maidposting which fits better here than on what is basically a consumer electronics board. + +>question I want answered +What is the /sci/ equivalent of posting a dra/g/on maid board [code][/code] block? + +Thank you /sci/entists for reading my post. +--- 15354240 +>>15354218 +Forgot to link this. + +>>>/g/92803592 + +If you want more details you can read them there. +--- 15354598 +A world-class expert in my field is visiting my university for a seminar soon and faculty and grads are given the opportunity to have one-on-one meetings with him if they want. I kind of want to reserve a time slot because he's sort of working on the same thing as me (PhD student) but I'm a bit nervous over getting mogged by him and basically wasting everyone's time because we're too intellectually apart to have a meaningful discussion. How does that sort of thing usually works? Any unspoken rules I should keep in mind? Has any anon had experiences with meeting big profs at seminars? +--- 15354653 +>>15332629 (OP) +What's the best job for a 95 IQ brainlet now that the gpts are going to be doing what I would've been doing in the past? I'm the brainlet BTW. +--- 15354661 +Is it worth doing a physics phd if you've already got a masters? +--- 15354668 +>29 +>skinnyfat +>doctors say i'm "healthy" yet i've been saying to them that I am having general chest pains but alot in picrel +>got 2nd, 3rd, and 4th opinions +How do I convince a doctor to do all the tests for heart disease on me? +--- 15354680 +>>15354661 +For what purpose? If you are looking at a job and the employer says to you: "If you get a PhD in this or that field we can give you your dream job" then yes. +If you are in a general sense trying to improve your labour market position then probably not. +If you think you maybe want to enter academia then probably not. +If you are not sure what to do with your life and think it can't be such a bad idea to get a PhD then absolutely not. +--- 15354751 +>>15354598 +I've never heard of such a thing as students reserving time-slots to talk privately with a guest to the university. +--- 15355863 +is grant money from GRFP "not designated for education expenses"? does the $ in "scholarship" in my 1098 Box 5 not go to paying tuition? one of you had to do this recently unless you waited last minute +--- 15355961 +>>15354218 +>What is the /sci/ equivalent of posting a dra/g/on maid board [code][/code] block? +--- 15355973 +>>15332727 +Professor leonard on youtube. +Khan academy was very badly explained IMO. +--- 15356268 +>>15354036 +I haven't considered the problem deeply or anything but to me it seems like the best coordinate here would probably be the angle of the point of contact +--- 15356483 +For an entrance exam I'm studying for there is a section on implication in logic. You're given a syllogism and then have to tick whichever answer applies. There is only ever ONE correct answer. + +So here is what I got stuck on. +All dogs are animals. +All animals are made up of cells. + +The potential answers are: +A: Some Dogs are not made up of cells. +B: All things made up of cells are dogs. +C: Some things made up of cells are dogs. +D: All Dogs are made up of cells. +E: None of the answers above. + +I consider both C and D true statements that necessarily follow from the syllogism. If all dogs are animals and all animals are made up of cells, then all dogs must be made up of cells, right? Well, no. Apparently according to the simulation, only C must follow necessarily. + +So I looked up the guide in the learn material and it states that whenever A is B and B is C, the only statements that necessarily follow are that Some C are A and that some A are C. +Why? I don't get it. I even drew it up like a retard. It would only make sense to say that "some dogs are made up of cells" if the original syllogism stated "some dogs are animals". +--- 15356606 +>>15356483 +Which one is strictly necessary? +>Why? I don't get it. +1. There are things that possibly follow +2. There are things that necessarily follow +3. There are things that contingently follow. +If you are being asked which one necessarily follows, then you can exclude things that merely possibly follow or what is contingent, etc. +In your case your answer is figuring out the first two. You're being asked what necessarily follows. I'm pretty sure you can immediately figure out which one is the wrong answer. +--- 15356644 +>>15356483 +>So I looked up the guide in the learn material and it states that whenever A is B and B is C, the only statements that necessarily follow are that Some C are A and that some A are C. +I shouldn't have skipped over this. You appear to have a general example of one POSSIBLE configuration of a 3 tiered syllogism. The question is not the general example, clearly, as it states "all C are A" and "all B are A". Your general example is "SOME C are A". + +You really need to pay attention to the words. Carefully. "some" and "all" have completely different results. +--- 15356649 +>>15356644 +Correction: "all C are B, all B are A". My bad. +--- 15356768 +>>15355863 +Bump, please help +--- 15356857 +>>15356606 +But both necessarily follow. Some dogs are made up of cells is just the weaker claim of the two. + +pic related is how it's explained in the book. How are System 1 and System 2 any different? + +B in system 1 is equivalent to C in System 3. C in system 1 is equivalent to A in system 3. +So if the statement All C are B is a valid solution for system 1, then why is the statement All A are C not a valid solution for system 3? +If I would write the syllogism for system 1 in the same terms as system 3 it would say "All B are C." and "All A are B." + +Premise 1 and Premise 2 just swap places but I don't see how the order of the premises would make a difference. Like how does the premise +"All animals are made up of cells" +and +"All dog are animals." +allow me to conclude "All dogs are made up of cells." +but when I swap the order to +"All dogs are animals." +and +"All animals are made up of cells." +I can now only conclude "Some dogs are made up of cells." +--- 15356918 +I get understand that statement forms such as "p && q || r" are ambiguous and require parentheses but are statement forms composes entirely of and connectives or or connectives ambiguous? Like do I need parentheses for the following statement forms: +p && q && r +p || q || r +--- 15357174 +>>15356918 +No, these expressions are unambiguous even without parentheses. +&& as well as || are "associative" just like, for example +, and "a + b + c" does not require parentheses either. +Expressions like that can be given a formal mathematical meaning; for example "a + b" could denote an element in an Abelian group, and "a && b" could denote an element in a Boolean algebra. +Intuitevly, they are of course associative because the meaning of "p && (q && r)" and "(p && q) && r" are both, self-evidently, "all of p, q, and r are true". +I suppose you could also write down the truth tables for "p && (q && r)" and "(p && q) && r". +--- 15357242 +Aight, so i got a pretty big science 101 question. I should have asked this in my first college physics class but i didn't so now i'm gonna look like a moron. Like, i've got a pretty good idea of how black holes work and i don't know this simple fucking thing. + +So, if we're all in the big bang, if the big bang is all of the stuff in the universe moving from being ultra compact to spreading out, how do we know where its center is? Or don't we? +--- 15357245 +>>15357242 +There is no center. The Big Bang was not an explosion from some focal point, it is the expansion of space itself which is why no matter which direction we look in we see everything moving away from us at the same speed. +--- 15357250 +>>15356857 +Holy fucking hell WHY do they NOT just fucking USE SET THEORY NOTATION FOR FUCK SAKE. + +Some resources +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism +rules https://wikieducator.org/Rules_and_Fallacies_for_Categorical_Syllogisms + +>So if the statement All C are B is a valid solution for system 1, then why is the statement All A are C not a valid solution for system 3? +Hoo boy here we go. First understand per the wiki about particulars vs universals. Also see image uploaded here. +For reference: +System 1 = AAA-1 "Barbara" +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Modus_Barbara_(Euler).svg +System 2 = AAI-3 "Darapti" +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Modus_Darapti_(Euler).svg +System 3 = AAI-1 "Barbari" +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Modus_Barbari_(Euler).svg + +All C are B is valid for system 1 as they're all "universals". Even if any term had no instances (elements), it would still be true. +For system 1, consider it like nested sets. B{A[C()]} all the relations are true. "carries no existential import" (fuck you aristotle). +1. All A are B +A is clearly a subset of B +2. all C are A +C is a subset of A +3. All C are B +C is clearly nested in A which is clearly nested in B. + +Notice how sets make it all sane again? + +In system 3, it is supposed to be (and is failing to be) modus barbari. They are not nested sets, as one is actually stating "some element A exists in set B". Therein lies the problem. To demonstrate, +Set mockup: C{B[A]} +1. All A are B +True as A is clearly an element of B +2. All B are C +True as B is a subset of C. +3. All A are C +This does not follow. "A" is an element, and all of "A" may not exist within "C" merely because one PARTICULAR instance of A exists within B. "A" could be a member of many other sets, such as Z{A} and so on. + +Do it my way, you instantly can intuit the problem. Do it Aristotle's retarded way with those retarded euler diagrams and, well, yeah. (1/2) +--- 15357292 +>>15356483 +(2/2) from >>15357250 + +Now let's set this up the sane way instead of the retarded way. + +1. All dogs are animals. +2. All animals are made up of cells. +3. ??? +A: Some Dogs are not made up of cells. +B: All things made up of cells are dogs. +C: Some things made up of cells are dogs. +D: All Dogs are made up of cells. +E: None of the answers above. + +You are given 3 systems to find the right answer. The premises in system 1 are in the wrong order, as are those in system 2 and its diagram. We're stuck with ugly system 3 since we want to go from A to B to C. + +The only valid answer is therefore going to "some C are A", or "some A are C". To avoid the aforementioned existential fallacy. + +Assuming I didn't fuck up in my insomniac state and get any of the orders wrong in my explanation from before, hopefully the right answer is now immediately apparent. Use system 3. +--- 15357311 +>>15357250 +>>15356857 +I feel I need to further clarify my example for system 3 just in case. Keep in mind my "set theoryish mockup" is WITHIN the logic given by the systems you are using, since you specifically asked "why does this work in system 1 but not 3". + +I should've specified in system 1's example "All set A are set B" and so on, and for system 3 I should've specified in conclusion "all element A are in set C". An element was chosen to analogize your request to demonstrate why you can't make a universal statement about a particular in system 3. In that, by doing so, you are not only saying "it exists" you are saying "it ONLY exists IN HERE". That's doubly bad. +--- 15357331 +Let [math]X = \{0,1\}^\mathbb{N}[/math]. We equip the space of regular probability measures [math]\mathcal{P}(X)[/math] with the weak-* topology, where by definition [math]\mu_n \to \mu[/math] iff for every continuous function [math]f \in C(X)[/math] there holds [math]\int_X f d \mu_n \to \int_X f d \mu[/math]. + +I'm reading some text where it seems that, as far as the author's concerned, [math]\mu_n \to \mu[/math] in the weak-* sense iff for every cylinder set [math]C \subset X[/math] there holds [math]\mu_n (C) \to \mu (C)[/math]. By "cylinder set" I mean finite intersections of sets of the form [math]\{x \in X \mid x(n_0) = b_0\}[/math] for some given [math]n_0, b_0[/math]. + +Is this really equivalent to weak-* convergence? How come? +--- 15358916 +This proof feels wrong but I'm not sure why. +--- 15358924 +>>15358916 +Theorem 1.17 is right here: +--- 15358932 +>>15354036 +I'm with the other anon on point of contact. If the rod doesn't slip then it is always tangent to the disc, center of mass position and gravitational energy can be computed from the geometry. Kinetic energy seems harder, you'll have to consider rotation of the entire rod about the disc center plus pivoting of the rod about the point of contact, but it seems tractable. +--- 15358942 +>>15358916 +I don't know what you are doing with the whole `degree p' thing (is f a polynomial?) but you can just use a change of variables [math]x\mapsto -x[/math] in your [math]\int_{-b}^0 f(x)\, dx[/math]. +--- 15358982 +>>15358916 +This proof is correct, but only for even degree monomials. We want to prove the integration formula for all even functions (how about [math]\cos(x)[/math]?), so we can't assume a specific formula for [math]f(x)[/math]. Instead, do as >>15358942 suggested. +--- 15358993 +>>15358932 +I (the other anon) actually did the calculation for some reason. +I'm pretty sure the kinetic energy takes the nice form [math]\dot{\alpha}^2(\iota + \alpha^2)/2[/math]. (Where [math]\iota[/math] the moment of inertia of the rod) +The angular velocity of the rod is (more or less) obviously just the angular velocity of the point of contact. +And when you parametrize the position of the center of mass in terms of [math]\alpha[/math] it turns out the norm of the derivative is exactly [math]|\alpha|[/math]. +--- 15359025 +In this proof, why does it say x must be a multiple of p(x)? +--- 15359038 +In probability, is there a term for how the odds of a single nonzero outcome happening approaches 1 given unlimited trials? +--- 15359039 +>>15359038 +I'm not sure, can you give more context? +--- 15359044 +>>15359038 +Murphy's Law. +--- 15359053 +>>15359039 +I assumed it was the Law of Large Numbers or Law of Averages, but turns out those don't necessarily describe this. +>>15359044 +Murphy's Law actually used in statistics? I thought it was more of a colloquial term. +--- 15359059 +>>15359025 +>suppose that I consists of all multiples of some polynomial p(x) +>x in I +--- 15359069 +>>15359038 +Infinite monkey theorem +--- 15359093 +>>15359069 +Thanks anon. I thought it'd be named something more pretentious. +--- 15359119 +>>15359059 +Oh, I thought that meant that I had all multiples in p(x) and then some. +--- 15359136 +>>15357250 +>>15357292 +>>15357311 +Thanks for the explanation and the effort is appreciate, however I want to specifically respond to this: +>You are given 3 systems to find the right answer. + +The book contains a total of 19 systems. My inclusion of system 2 wasn't really to imply that I have to choose from those 3 systems, it was just to demonstrate how the book explains it and I still intuitively disagree with why "All dogs are made up of cells" isn't a valid solution. I genuinely think that there must be some mistake there because clearly something THIS counterintuitive requires an explanation IN THE FUCKING BOOK. It makes no sense to just gloss over it. I almost feel like system 3 was supposed to be about some A being B and all B being C and someone just accidentally inserted an "all" in there during print. +--- 15359166 +>>15354036 +Kinetic energy = COM+rotational +so: +[math]L = (1/2)\dot{\theta}^2(mr^2+I) - mg\sin{\theta}[/math] +where [math]theta[/math] is the angle above the circle's horizontal for the rod's COM and [math]I[/math] is the rod's moment of inertia. +--- 15359224 +>>15359136 +>The book contains a total of 19 systems. My inclusion of system 2 wasn't really to imply that I have to choose from those 3 systems, it was just to demonstrate how the book explains it and I still intuitively disagree with why "All dogs are made up of cells" isn't a valid solution. I genuinely think that there must be some mistake there because clearly something THIS counterintuitive requires an explanation IN THE FUCKING BOOK. It makes no sense to just gloss over it. I almost feel like system 3 was supposed to be about some A being B and all B being C and someone just accidentally inserted an "all" in there during print. +Oh, my bad, I had assumed you were given some sort of simple or more narrow set to work with. In that case, you are going to have to go and identify which pattern of the syllogism applies given the two premises given. It may have in fact been pure coincidence that babari was the correct pattern to answer that specific question, assuming I didn't fuck up. + +Anyway the main thrust of my attempt to help clarify was that you can represent such systems with very simple notation that intuitively demonstrates the logic of any particular syllogism. In that it is also self evident, representing the structures as you would in set notation and set theory, why you can or can't do things a certain way. Such as from babari trying to say "all" of "a particular" or "all" of "some thing" exists within two categories. + +If the book does not provide notation to work through and make it easy to figure out which syllogism applies, I highly recommend using set theory or propositional calculus or both. Especially because the language used and visualizations used get very confusing, because they do not intuitively show you why you can or can't do things a certain way. + +If you want more help please ask. Just please be sure to also provide the fuller context of what help you need and why, so I don't waste time having guessed wrong. +--- 15359424 +>>15354036 +>>15358993 +Just stepped through the calculation myself. Set the disc center as [math](0,0)[/math], disc radius [math]R[/math], finite length rod mass [math]M[/math], [math]\alpha[/math] is zero for a flat, balanced rod, CCW positive. Kinetic energy was +[math]\frac{1}{2}MR^2\dot{\alpha}^2\alpha^2+\frac{1}{2}M\frac{L^2+12R^2\alpha^2}{12}\dot{\alpha}^2[/math]. + +I recognize the first term as the CoM rotation energy modulated by an [math]\alpha^2[/math] term. If we have a really long rod that can somehow wrap all the way around the disc, the CoM has a greater distance from the origin and a higher rotational energy the more times it winds around the disc. Also, at [math]\alpha=0[/math], the kinetic energy is indeed zero; if you visualize it in your head, the CoM momentarily has no velocity when the rod passes through the zero position. + +As for the second term, the rotational energy term, first convince yourself that the angular velocity of the rod with respect to its point of contact with the disc (ignore all translational motion) is indeed [math]\dot{\alpha}[/math]. The point of contact is also the pivot about which we calculate the energy. The moment of inertia needs to be computed about that pivot, just use the parallel axis theorem with [math]R\alpha[/math] as the displacement from the CoM, employing the no-slip condition. Indeed with [math]\alpha=0[/math], we get the MoI for the rod about its center [math]\frac{1}{12}ML^2[/math], as it is balanced on its center at zero rotation angle. + +These solutions >>15359139 >>15359166 are oversimplifications of the problem. +--- 15359490 +>>15354008 +Well, what is the computer allowed to calculate? When you say you're supposed to use machine learning, are you able to apply image segmentation like Mask R-CNN? Or do you have to do image processing? If this is for some CSCI course, I doubt you are expected to learn the mathematics necessary for the latter like the Discrete Fourier Transform you mentioned. What you're allowed to do will determine the approach you take. +--- 15359606 +>>15359136 +>>15359224 + +The problem is that the premises are equivocating “animal.” The taxonomy narrator breaks “animals” up into its subgroups, one of which is “dog.” The biology narrator is breaking up cells into all the examples of things made up of cells, including “animals”. “Dogs” are not a part of “things that are made up of cells” the way “dogs” are a part of the things made up of “animals,” even if the premise “all dogs are animals” is tossed into the mix, because the “animals” superset treats “dogs” differently than the “cell” superset treats “dogs.” Why? Because the supersets of “animals” and “cells” are separate in the premises, and it is only the equivocation of the word “animal” that is making you conflate them. + +This is paradoxical to you because you are adding the information that, of course, dogs are made up of cells, but the syllogism does not imply that; you added that. +Your venn diagrams are therefore wrongly applied. +This should be a big circle of "animals" with "dogs" inside, and another big circle of "cells" with "animals" inside, and a faint line connecting the word "animals" that you are equivocating. + +The confusion here is that you are adding information -- that the "animals" is the same -- that the premises do not contain. + +I personally would not even say that any of the answers were correct until the equivocation was addressed. +--- 15359643 +>>15359606 +This was already dealt with via very simple examples analogizing the particular to an element and whether or not one is attempting to claim some particular is exclusively a member of a subset or not. +>>15357250 +>>15357292 +In any event as noted the universal is the correct answer e.g. where it's got the same (lack of) existential import. +--- 15359646 +>>15359643 +Goddamnit. I meant the particular "some" not the "universal of that particular". I keep forgetting it is not obvious to a casual observer that my statement there requires you understand I'm making nested statements. +--- 15359666 +>>15359643 +I don't mean to be persnickety, but no it was not. Your (exhaustingly) rigorous definition did not show the fallacy of equivocation at the heart of the question. + +If someone is not aware of the fallacies, then they cannot apply the symbolism correctly to begin with. The question deceptively equivocated "animal," and the resultant added information is not something that the symbolism could parse, since the one applying the symbols would not see the equivocation of "animal" any better after giving both "animals" the same letter. +--- 15359676 +>>15359666 +I am sorry, then, for I do not understand what meaning you intend by that equivocation if NOT the existential fallacy already dealt with. Since any equivocation would make itself evident by the consequence of its existential import, e.g. "element exists in these nested sets". If they are all universal, as with barbara, there's no problem from an equivocation as there's no existential import of "some particular" being exclusive to the nested universals. + +Also it wasn't really all that rigorous at all, I was trying to keep it as simple and brief as possible to give an idea of how one could approach better understanding what the (horseshit) diagrams are trying to convey and why things don't work one way vs. another. +--- 15359767 +>>15359424 +This shit somehow got me really confused about rigid body dynamics. +If we just have some rod flying around in a plane, the the total kinetic energy should indeed just be [math](M\dot{x}^2 + I\dot{alpha}^2/2[/math] right? +(Where x the position of and I the moment of inertia about the center of mass) +In that case I don't see how my solution (>>15358993) can be different from yours, besides forgetting about the mass and radius. +Stating the angular velocity of a rigid body wrt some reference frame does not really make sense as far as I can tell, though you seem to do that. +--- 15359785 +>>15359767 +[math](M\dot{x}^2 + I\dot{\alpha}^2)/2[/math] +--- 15359843 +>>15359767 +Yeah in fact I distinctly remember programming this simulation using that "decomposition" for the energy, and it seems to capture the energy just fine. +--- 15359930 +>>15359767 +The energy written in >>15359785 is certainly the expression for a rod that is free to move and spin in space, I don't disagree with that. However, when we include the kinetic energy in the Lagrangian as per the original question, we have to bake the constraints (rod touches the disc at only one point, no slipping) into the formula. I don't yet see any contradiction between your and my ideas, save for the simpler formula with [math]\theta[/math] not yet capturing the constrained motion that the formula with [math]\alpha[/math] does. + +>>15359843 +Cool simulation, what language was this created in? +--- 15359994 +I have a question regarding error propagation. + +I am calculating the density of a cylinder, and so am measuring its mass, diameter, and height. Of course, the volume of a cylinder is [math] V = \pi r^2 [/math] so I need to divide the diameter by 2. My question is, when I perform the error propagation calculations, do I use the value I measured, the diameter, or do I use the value I used, the radius? Its the difference between using [math]\sigma_V = V \sqrt{\left(\frac{\sigma_{diameter}}{diameter} \right)^2+\left(\frac{\sigma_{height}}{height} \right)^2 } [/math] or [math] \sigma_V = V \sqrt{\left(\frac{\sigma_{diameter}}{radius} \right)^2+\left(\frac{\sigma_{height}}{height} \right)^2 } [/math] + +Also, I am assuming that we take out anything from uncertainty calculations that don't interact with another variable or are fixed constants, ie [math]\pi[/math] or [math] r^2 [/math] +--- 15360000 +>>15359930 +Oh, I see, yeah I never actually studied Lagrangian mechanics formally, but I remember something about the constraints showing up as partial derivatives or something. +It's... javascript. WebGL seemed easier to wrangle than OpenGL or Vulkan, otherwise I wouldn't touch it. +--- 15360233 +>>15359994 +At least from a mathematical standpoint they are different. If we look at the diameter/radius terms, we have +[math]V^2\left(\frac{\sigma_d^2}{d}\right)^2=\frac{1}{16}\pi^2 d^2h^2\sigma_d^2=\frac{1}{4}\pi^2 r^2h^2\sigma_d^2[/math] + +whereas +[math]V^2\left(\frac{\sigma_r^2}{r}\right)^2=\pi^2 r^2h^2\sigma_r^2[/math]. + +Now, if [math]\sigma_r=\frac{1}{2}\sigma_d[/math], these terms would be equivalent, but this is not probably not the case in your experiment. If you have only one ruler or caliper or whatever, then [math]\sigma_r=\sigma_d[/math], so it actually matters. The difference comes in the magnitude of what you are measuring; measuring the radius to be [math]15.2\pm0.5\text{ cm}[/math] is qualitatively different from measuring the diameter to be [math]30.4\pm0.5\text{ cm}[/math] in that uncertainty is a larger fraction of the former measurement than in the latter. This is reflected in the contribution being quartered when using the diameter. I'm not sure what your last question / statement about "taking things out from uncertainty calculations" is saying. + +>>15360000 +Checked. Yeah, by writing the energy with constraints, the equations of motion are obtained by calculating [math]\frac{\partial L}{\partial q}[/math] and [math]\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{q}}[/math], the partial derivatives of the Lagrangian with respect to generalized coordinates ([math]\alpha[/math] and [math]\dot{\alpha}[/math] in the problem), and automagically satisfy the constraints. + +As for numerical simulation and visualization, I haven't delved into it very much as it's not really needed in my line of study. Still something I would like to get into however. Any recommended starting points? Just pick something to sim and roll with it? +--- 15360248 +>>15360233 +Oops. + + +"Now, if [math]\sigma_r=\frac{1}{2}\sigma_d[/math], these terms would be equivalent, but this is probably not the case in your experiment. If you have only one ruler or caliper or whatever, then [math]\sigma_r=\sigma_d[/math], so it actually matters." +--- 15360322 +>>15360233 +If you don't actually care about ODE methods or things like that, just pick up Octave or Sage or some other framework and go crazy. +If what you're trying to visualize isn't cutting edge math, expect little trouble in return for a lot pretty pictures. +Something I've been enjoying recently are geodesics. I have an Octave script now that finds them on a vanishing set of any reasonably nice function of R3. +Oddly appropriate considering these could just be understood as motion of a particle constrained to a surface! +You can get the general ODE in that case very straightforwardly with computer algebra; https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/111577 gives you the second fundamental form, and Lee's Riemannian Geometry Lemma 8.5 gives the geodesic equation in terms of that. +--- 15360335 +>>15360248 +>>15360233 +So Im still a bit confused. should my uncertainty formula be one of the two I posted here>>15359994 +or do I need to do something different? I know that my uncertainty is with respect to the diameter, not the radius, so how do I change my error propagation formula accordingly? diff --git a/sci/15334379.txt b/sci/15334379.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4c3d6a60122c41e09fb5827bd62bafbd57f0633b --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15334379.txt @@ -0,0 +1,736 @@ +----- +--- 15334379 +How many of you are ACTUALLY 130+ iq? +--- 15334382 +87 IQ anon here, AMA. +--- 15334398 +>>15334379 (OP) +probably a lot. 130 has a rarity of 1 in 44, and this board certainly will attract smarter people. . +--- 15334401 +>>15334379 (OP) +im probably like 90 iq. i dont give a fuck about science im afraid, im just here to dunk on vaxtards +--- 15334410 +>>15334401 +>>/pol/ +--- 15334414 +>>15334410 +make me retard +--- 15334419 +>>15334414 +>retard +--- 15334430 +>>15334398 +True. I would put the average iq of frequent posters on this board at around 120 +--- 15334445 +>>15334419 +youre smarter than me and yet you still fell for the scam. how does that make you feel +--- 15334446 +>>15334379 (OP) +IQ is a social construct +--- 15334447 +>>15334445 +You're not and yet you fell for a bigger scam, of which you are the scammer. +--- 15334448 +>$0.0036 +>or $0.00339 +--- 15334450 +>>15334446 +Kek +--- 15334471 +>>15334447 +what scam is that exactly? and you need to give your head a shake if you think theres a bigger scam than letting yourself get injected with whatever the government tells you to get injected with +--- 15334474 +>>15334379 (OP) +Idk what my IQ is. Honestly, I don't wanna know because I may not like the best result :( +--- 15334479 +>>15334398 +>this board certainly will attract smarter people +then they leave after seeing the 12th thread on 0.999... +--- 15334537 +i got a 60/60 on a ravens progressive matrices at 17. went to psychologist for depression and was administered it. i was scored "144". but i don't know how representative that is. +i certainly feel smart and people say i am smart, but i am a bit disappointed that i don't have mental superpowers or anything. i mostly just pick up on patterns really quickly. it feels like i often intuitively figure out things that other people might have to think about for longer. i still get things wrong and make mistakes and fail to understand things. +--- 15334548 +69 IQ here. +--- 15334608 +>>15334548 +Get on my level, I'm 420 IQ +--- 15334610 +>>15334537 +Do you find it hard to speak to the average person? +--- 15334611 +>>15334608 +mine is over 9000 +--- 15334667 +>>15334471 +Don't argue with this proud academic dipshit. I know a lot of niggers like this. They'll never admit they did this to themselves. 85% of /sci/ are reddit vaxxed niggers "muh MBA" "Muh education". Enjoy VAIDS niggers. +--- 15334762 +>>15334610 +not in general. there is usually a sort of "feeling it out" phase with people where i have to determine how much i need to explain concepts. but i think everyone does that, finding out how someone else operates and what type of conversation you can have with them. +i do find it hard to find people where i go "okay this person is actually pretty clever". like there are only a few times where someone feels really in sync with how i'm operating. +writing this out feels somewhat narcissistic. i imagine it's similar to someone who is very tall or naturally funny, like you don't run into many people who are as tall or hilarious or whatever. +i don't think it's really a cheatcode though. i struggle with motivation and often feel like i've wasted a gift i was given. i think i'd trade some off in exchange for more self discipline. +--- 15334901 +>>15334762 +self discipline is the gift of sub 80 IQs + +its literally doing the most understimulating shit over and over and seeing miniscule improvements + +just LARP as a retard and youll make it +--- 15335031 +>>15334610 +>Do you find it hard to speak to the average person? +NTA. In general your best bet is never to talk about anything that would require you explain things to such an extent the person would begin to feel belittled by it. This is not JUST about average people, but inter-comparison of standard deviations. The more extreme of an outlier you are compared to others, in general, the more you need to prune your language and ideas. Taken to the extreme, doesn't matter if someone has an IQ of 145, you can definitely elicit a similar response as you'd get trying to explain evolution to a young earth creationist if you're that much of an outlier to them as they are to someone normal. + +The second problem is communicating ideas. If someone is about as intelligent as I am, I need to write very little even if we're writing back and forth a lot. We simply "fill in the blanks" so quickly that even relatively nonstandard uses of jargon, analogies, and so on, can easily be mutually understood. The more out of someone else's depth you are the more words you need to explain the level of detail you're going for, and the breadth you intend. Yet such people are the least tolerant of exactly that. It is a catch-22, and you're always better off being charismatic and witty than genuine or genuinely desiring to share your ideas. It can go real bad real fast, especially if you upset any resident narcissist online or off. Since the more you outclass a narcissist the more desperate they are to try ruining you to make up for how pathetic they are. Really there's only down sides to being honest. +>>15334762 +>i do find it hard to find people where i go "okay this person is actually pretty clever". like there are only a few times where someone feels really in sync with how i'm operating. +A kind of mutual "flow" would be the idea you're going for, I think. I've only met one person where I've felt that, and we're both insane outliers. +--- 15336149 +>>15334667 +Still waiting on that VAIDS. +--- 15336159 +When I was 8 I was scouted for a gifted program at some university, but my jealous sister caused my parents to not let me into the program. +Since then I didn't do much to prove myself. +--- 15336161 +>>15334379 (OP) +I measured mine to be a little bit over 130, but it was with a soft ruler, so it might really be even bigger. +--- 15336166 +135 midwit here. i want to kill myself because i'm sub 150. they ordered a test for me at school when i was 7 or 8 because i was a bit precocious. it was administered by an old lady and the only question i remember was "name something you'd find on the side of a building that people don't like" and i was racking my brain for the word graffiti but i just couldn't produce it so i said "bugs". i always wondered what the average of 100 really represents if they only take the smart kids for testing. how many people do you know that have been given a legitimate test by a credentialed psychiatrist +--- 15336169 +>>15336166 +>135 midwit here +being in the top 1% is not a "midwit" +--- 15336202 +>>15336166 +I thought of trash and then quickly started to wonder what 'the side of a building' actually meant. +--- 15336317 +>>15334379 (OP) +considering +2 sd is 1/50th of the population, I'd imagine a lot +--- 15336332 +>>15336169 +138 midwit here. Even I acknowledge only people above 145 are not midwits. +--- 15336382 +>>15336332 +What do you think midwit means? Doesn't the term midwit imply near-average intellect? +--- 15336522 +I think I'm around 120. IQ is overrated anyway. The guy with the highest IQ was socially shy, never started a family, and worked as a measly professor his whole life. Not a life I'd personally want. I think creativity and social skills are just as important as IQ. +--- 15336528 +>>15336332 +You're over 130. You're not a midwit, you dumbass. +--- 15336545 +>>15336166 +>135 midwit here. i want to kill myself because i'm sub 150. they ordered a test for me at school when i was 7 or 8 because i was a bit precocious. it was administered by an old lady and the only question i remember was "name something you'd find on the side of a building that people don't like" and i was racking my brain for the word graffiti but i just couldn't produce it so i said "bugs". i always wondered what the average of 100 really represents if they only take the smart kids for testing. how many people do you know that have been given a legitimate test by a credentialed psychiatrist +--- 15336590 +160. It's of no value because I need to work to survive. +--- 15336596 +>>15336332 +midwit is someone average to slightly above average (100 to 115) +being in the top 1% is in no way a midwit. just elitism for the sake of it at this point. +--- 15336699 +>>15334379 (OP) +Why are you asking? Why are /sci/ fags so insecure? +--- 15336702 +>>15336699 +this place is full of teenagers +--- 15336726 +>>15336596 +It's part of /pol/tard and related rhetoric to dismiss scientists and science in favor of cherrypicked "experts" confirming respective biases. Or their own narcissism and delusional beliefs of their own intellectual superiority. Doesn't help that people suffering imposter syndrome due to unrealistic expectations of themselves pick up the same lingo. It's a confluence of things. +--- 15336734 +>>15336169 +140 midwit here. I acknowledge only von Neumann to be not a midwit or anyone >160 iq +--- 15336737 +>>15336734 +>"im 140, look at this online test i took!" +youre less than 140 lol +--- 15336743 +>>15336737 +what score did u get sub 120 retard? +--- 15336745 +>>15336743 +>another online test +HHAHAHAHAHA hes coping hard +--- 15336755 +>>15334379 (OP) +Depends on how many IQ tests you let me do beforehand +--- 15336758 +>>15334379 (OP) +i haven't took an IQ test,waste of money +--- 15336763 +>>15336745 +>no score +>HAHAHAHHAHA +your laugh sounds retard +you’re probably a third world niggermonkey +--- 15337107 +>>15336734 +Kek. 160 is prime midwit material. LITERALLY EVERY historical genius was 180+ +--- 15337112 +>>15337107 +If you are not at least over 200 IQ then you couldn't even figure out the captcha. +--- 15337125 +>>15336169 +160 midwit here. I cant believe ill never be anything other than a dumbass. Might as well neck +--- 15337131 +>>15337112 +200 IQ? Really? I took a test on freeiqs.com and I got a 489 IQ. Get on my level, plebeian. +--- 15337135 +>>15337131 +Well yeah, I'm over 700 IQ confirmed in actual online IQ tests that required a $100 fee just to sign up. +I was just saying even low tier morons are at least 200 IQ around here. +--- 15337341 +>>15337135 +My IQ... it's.... it's over 9000! +--- 15337355 +>>15334379 (OP) +Probably about 20-25% of us if I had to guess. As the classic saying goes, 4chan is where smart people go to act like retards, while reddit is where retards go to act like smart people. Granted, this place is also dripping with actual retards, but at least it's not reddit. +--- 15337361 +>>15334379 (OP) +134 and I'm still a retard. +--- 15337364 +>>15336743 +I'm not the guy you responded to, but I actually took the test and it was pretty fun! + +Pleasantly surprised by my result, but do you know if this test is accurate? +--- 15337366 +>>15337361 +Dunning Kruger in full force +--- 15337452 +>>15334398 +>this board certainly will attract smarter people +lmao no it wont +--- 15337470 +I've tested 142 and 146 at mensa and a psychologist. +--- 15337849 +>>15337364 +well, i cant really be sure if it is accurate unless you check if you get about the same results in other iq tests. try mensa's norway and denmark then compare, there is also CAIT, and fsiq by openpsychometrics +in my case, it is pretty accurate as I got 135+ in all those tests +--- 15337857 +I doubt this board is intelligent as they think they are. +The highest i'd expect is 135 +--- 15337858 +>>15337849 +Yeah, I tend to average around 131 in most tests +--- 15337872 +>>15334379 (OP) +Quite a few. I don't know if the online tests are meaningful, but I took the mensa norway one a while ago and got high 120s, and I think I'm probably on the dimmer end of the range amongst people who regularly visit /sci/. +--- 15337878 +I was certified to have a 160 IQ by the late Stephen Hawking. He administered the test and performed rigorous analysis on the results. It was actually determined that my answers surpassed the inherent IQ of the test design itself. I discovered a new and better way of answering every question. +--- 15338114 +>>15336743 +Got the first 9 of 10 correct then got bored as I hit I don't know for the rest. Most online IQ tests (which are bullshit) say mine is between 135 and 145 but since I became a NEET I stopped challenging myself mentally and consume garbage content so now I'm retarded. +--- 15338118 +>>15334382 +If you hadn't eaten breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt by lunchtime? +--- 15338234 +>>15334379 (OP) +When I was a kid I was tested at 156. My life has been unremarkable. I had to drop out of college twice (family matters), and I've had a long series of white-collar jobs at which I've had moderate success. I'm not a scientist, I'm not an entrepreneur and I'm not rich. I guess I'm a textbook example of wasted potential. +--- 15338239 +>>15337849 +>try mensa's norway and denmark then compare, there is also CAIT, and fsiq by openpsychometrics +all garbage +--- 15338251 +>>15338118 +i would have still been consumed by my hatred of jews +--- 15338440 +>>15338118 +I didn't have breakfast yesterday, and I felt fine, as a typically don't eat breakfast and am used to that. However, hypothetically, if I was habitually eating breakfast, but, despite this, didn't have it that day, then all I can say is that the likelyhood of my feeling hungry by lunch time would have been greater, though my overall mood wouldn't have likely been affected much, considering breakfast makes me feel bloated and tired for hours and I prefer to have mid morning snacks. + +I wouldn't have responded this way had you asked in person or another context outside 4chan though. + +t. 130IQ +--- 15338533 +>>15334379 (OP) +Me and nobody else +--- 15340137 +mi iq is smol like my benis luol +--- 15340151 +>>15334398 +>130 has a rarity of 1 in 44 +I don't believe you. The public is a godforsaken cesspool of idiots, I'd wager this normalization is from 1950 and the corrections were done using college students. Not to mention demographic change. +The average voter in the west nowadays has an IQ around 90, people above 110 are 1 in 20, 130 are 1 in 1000 and 150 are fuck if I know, 1 in 10000. +I can't handle it anymore +I would torture and kill counless politicians if that could give me not even a more intelligent society, but merely a society where the average person has average intelligence as measured on the scale you refer to. +--- 15340346 +>>15338234 +Children's IQ tests have a handicap added to the score. You're nowhere near 156. +--- 15340430 +Online IQ tests aren't accurate. Most of them don't even give any pretense of legitimacy. The ones from Mensa generally inflate your score by design. None of you would pay money just to confirm that you are an unremarlable midwit, you are more likely to pay for the real test if you mistakenly believe you have >130 IQ. +--- 15341908 +>>15340151 +You underestimate the stupidity of the 100 iq +--- 15341915 +the object pattern recognition tests are really boring +--- 15342397 +did the wisc at 14, the wais at 18. got 129. +performance on the timed half was like borderline intellectually disabled, but the other half was 140+. +--- 15343342 +>>15334379 (OP) +i'm 163 and high functioning aspergers +a lot of you already know me by this post +i hate it +--- 15343655 +>>15334379 (OP) +BUMP +--- 15343665 +>>15334379 (OP) +Taking the official test has been on my to-do-list for years. I'm probably a midwit. +--- 15343669 +>>15343342 +Im sorry to hear that. +--- 15343693 +>>15334379 (OP) +Every test Ive taken puts me above 130. Ive only ever taken internet tests which are unreliable. People IRL tell me I'm smart. Ive met people smarter than myself + +>>15334398 +we are the 44 +--- 15343725 +>>15334379 (OP) +One IQ test in middle school and two IQ test proxies as an adult all put my IQ in the high 130s. I don't go around telling people my IQ or try to win arguments with appeal to IQ, but it's nice when I have imposters syndrome to be able to use it to break some of those thoughts. +--- 15343737 +>>15334479 +It doesn't take a three digit IQ to figure out how to hide threads. +--- 15343859 +>>15336382 +Definition from the man who coined the term. +>Individuals of above average intelligence, yet not too far from average. Essentially people smart enough to think about ideas, reason through them to some degree and feel confident, or more accurately, over confident and then cause damage. +--- 15345558 +>>15343859 +It's me... +--- 15345691 +I'd bet that most people citing their iq have never taken a real WAIS/WISC/SBV test +--- 15345698 +>>15345691 +I was forced to take the Wechsler test with a psychologist (don't ask why). My full-scale iq was 126. I remember my verbal was ~135 and spatial was ~98. +--- 15345702 +>>15345698 +What job do you have/are pursuing? +--- 15345712 +>>15345702 +Unemployed and living with my mom, wasting my time on 4chan. I'm truly living the life. +--- 15345717 +>>15345712 +Hope you get out soon, wordsmith +--- 15345767 +>>15345691 +I scored 138 on the WAISIV when I was 10. My teacher was always impressed with my math and reading skills but didn’t really make a big deal out of it until she saw me reading A Moveable Feast. Her eyes lit up because apparently she was an English literature major and she started questioning me about the content of the book; whether I knew what it was about, the themes, etc. Next thing I knew I was giving readings of various college level texts in front of the school psychologist and he insisted I get tested. Mom didn’t see the big deal but for the remainder of elementary school instead of going to recess and playing with my friends I would spend it in the psychologists office with a few other teachers being limit tested with math, science, and literature. Felt like a freak. Still do. +--- 15345800 +>>15345767 +>>15345698 +>>15343693 +At what point do you think a high iq person begins to feel deeply alienated by the average? 125, 130, 140? +--- 15345811 +>>15334379 (OP) +I'm a Mensa member with a registered IQ of 183 AMA +--- 15345831 +>>15345811 +No, you're not +--- 15345861 +>>15334379 (OP) +IRL I have an IQ score which ranges from 135-145, from a range of tests I've taken online and in person. I would also like to point out I'm still a secondary school student. With this in mind, people tend to avoid me and think of me as a 'nerd' which is sort of true. I'm still supposed to be 2nd year GCSE however I'm still scoring 90-100% in A-level papers and come top of every class I take for GCSE with relative ease. E.g in my end-of-year exams I averaged 98% across all my classes while the year's average was around or below 50% which people find impressive and think I either cheated or spent all my free time studying, however, I rarely study, If I do, I spend 3-4 hours a day (depending on the day). So I've been told both that I'm gifted and that you don't magically gain a talent when you're born so idk what's up with me. +--- 15345870 +>>15345831 +lmaooooooo yh everyone saying their IQ is like 80+ so just wanted to test the thread +--- 15345911 +>>15345861 +You're going to want to fix that pretty quick. The sooner you study beyond your ability the easier higher achievement and income will be. Same goes for theory of mind and working out socialization. You do not want to be seen as "the alien" or other and you should devote quite some time to learning to manage people and perception. Just as a matter of making life easy. +--- 15346221 +>>15345861 +Damn, I wish I was super smart in that way. We should genetically engineer people to have an iq of 300 +>and that you don't magically gain a talent when you're born +I'm not sure why people think this when twin studies show iq/psychometric general intelligence (which is supposed to correlate somewhat highly with academics and things like that) is mostly heritable. +--- 15346242 +>>15346221 +It's funny that you say that because genes from different parents must also pass on, for example, my Father is an Economist with an IQ sitting around the 130s and who is incredibly good at maths and part science. My mother, however, doesn't Enjoy science or maths, she's a photographer and is more of an English and art person. I do have a younger sister, and while my sister does average in maths and science, she excels in the arts and in English. What I'm trying to get at is that while my father and I are more academic and mathematical my sister and mother are the opposite, it could actually have to do with gender. +--- 15346248 +>>15346242 +Not far off. I did hear that the amount of estrogen and testosterone you are exposed to in the womb tends to influence the way the brain develops. +--- 15346254 +>>15334379 (OP) +I used to be until they stole my brain. +--- 15346263 +>>15346254 +Mom, the 4chan hacked my brain and stole all my iq points! +--- 15346288 +>>15346242 +>it could actually have to do with gender. +It could but you get the same proportion of genes from both parents; one of each pair of chromosomes and an X from mother and X or Y from father. But in the parents' gametes it's kind of like the genes from your grandparents are shuffled. I don't know exactly how the model for polygenic traits like that is supposed to work, though... +--- 15346523 +My IQ is in the 160s. My digit span is 12-14 for forward, backward and reversed, my spatial span is 11 forward and 10 backward. I scored 152 on JCTI, 163 on see30, and many 160+ on IQexams.net. I got a perfect score on the old SAT too. +--- 15346568 +>>15346523 +Scores from CAIT? +--- 15346614 +>>15346568 +CAIT v2 scores: +FSIQ: 162 +VCI: 146 +PRI: 162 +CPI: 146 +GAI: 160 +VSI: 159 +I see you know r/cT. CAIT and WAIS are shit, btw. +--- 15346630 +>>15346614 +Why exactly? +--- 15346636 +>>15346630 +Fast-paced and unreliable for the high range (130+). +--- 15346683 +>>15346523 +What job do you have/are looking for? +--- 15346700 +>>15346683 +I work in logistics as an engineer. +--- 15346717 +>>15346700 +seems like a waste of potential +--- 15346806 +>>15346717 +Well, we don't want everyone in engineering to be a midwit. Every field needs its geniuses. +--- 15346825 +>>15346614 +will you pass on your genes? +--- 15347335 +>>15345911 +>You do not want to be seen as "the alien" or other and you should devote quite some time to learning to manage people and perception. + +Don’t know what your iq is, but you know nothing about life. Hiding yourself aggravates feelings of alienation, feeds cultural anti-intellectualism, and also ensures that you’ll never find other like-minded people. Being yourself and succeeded despite this “handicap” is an incredible reward. +--- 15347341 +Confused by all the iq scores being bandied about without context. Aren’t these tests completely unstandardized? +--- 15347342 +>>15334398 +>and this board certainly will attract smarter people +Nah, this board attracts retards who believe they're smart. Actual smart anons probably browse /out/ or /diy/. +--- 15347361 +>>15340151 +Unfortunately iq is defined as having a standard deviation as 15. They don’t bother to measure std deviation or skew in distribution for Africans even though we know it’s smaller. IQ is a subpar tool for comparing populations +--- 15347619 +>>15346717 +What do yo want me to do? It's just a job that I enjoy and pays my bills. Math and physics have already gone too far for their development to be beneficial to society, if that's what you mean. Besides, I don't care about society nor what it expects me to do. +>>15346825 +No. +--- 15347624 +Got tested two years ago. If I could figure out some way to reliably go to a job every day and do work instead of browsing the internet all day, I could probably have a pretty good life. +--- 15347651 +>>15347335 +>>Advise anon work out socialization so he isn't alienated +>Hiding yourself +>>Point out you don't want to be othered +>but you know nothing about life +Well, my IQ is apparently far higher than yours as is my knowledge about life. I'm just going to hope, for your sake, you aren't this retarded and are simply trolling. +--- 15347713 +>>15347624 +Bullshit +If you're 150 you would have solved your problems by now. +At 150 you can do university mathematics and barely sweat +--- 15347721 +the bane of my existence is that my iq is unlimited. well not literally unlimited but I'm the smartest person I know at identifying correctly the big picture. + +the problem is that that makes me massively lazy; I know we will die a horrible death and we'll get nothing with us; I do the least effort possible. +--- 15347763 +>>15347624 +I know that feel bro. + +>>15347713 +Knowing the solution to a problem and putting that solution into practice are two very different things. +--- 15347770 +>>15347341 +They have different ranges but legit tests have their standard deviation published so they're easy to compare. And they all say that they're an approximation. Online tests are complete dog shit and anyone who takes those scores seriously has already shown themselves to be a midwit or worse. +--- 15347796 +>>15347763 +>solution vs action +What's causing your inaction +--- 15347804 +>>15338234 +Kids develop at different rates. A high IQ in childhood simply means you're less retarded than your peers, maybe equivalent to a kid 2-3 years older. + +You still plateau out around the average of your parents, give or take the additive random error factor. Same goes for kids who fall behind initially, there are many who were stupid kids but then filled in their genetic potential in adolescence. +--- 15347809 +>>15340151 +>I don't believe you +It's literally that by definition you stupid fuck. If you scored 130, it means you're smarter than 43 out of 44 people. No more, no less. It's literally just a quirky way to say "2 standard deviations above the mean". +--- 15347813 +>>15340430 +>confirm that you are an unremarlable midwit, you are more likely to pay for the real test if you mistakenly believe you have >130 IQ. +But scoring 130-145 makes you an unremarkable midwit. Scoring below 130 makes you a mouthbreathing subhuman. +--- 15347815 +>>15347809 +I doubt he's 130 bases on his post. +You can always tell who the bad liars are. If you're going to bullshit at least get your facts straight. +--- 15347817 +>>15347796 +Shitposting and video games are more fun than studying. +--- 15347833 +>>15347817 +When you play vidya how do you rank? +--- 15347845 +>>15347833 +I don't do any kind of ranked competitive if that's what you mean. I mostly play single player games, or co-op. +--- 15347859 +>>15347845 +Yeah but do you play on hard. +Are you top 1% at least in the vidya you play? +--- 15347893 +I am. If anyone is 200+, it's me. +--- 15347966 +>>15347859 +I like to play on the hardest difficulty but I doubt I'm in the top 1%. +--- 15348110 +>>15347713 +After working at a job for a year, even the most simple tasks start to feel terrible and insurmountable. I'm the meme with the guy with scribbles in his head constantly thinking "I just need to go to work" + +go to work ==> go to work ==> go to work +--- 15348160 +>>15348110 +Why not become a millionaire and retire and just concentrate on your hobbies? +--- 15348172 +>>15347893 +How's the butt worms larper? +--- 15348181 +>>15348172 +They're a lot better than you're going to end up. +--- 15348187 +>>15334379 (OP) +I took an online test and came out 162 +--- 15348190 +>>15348160 +how to do that while not having the executive function to even stay at a normal job for a year is beyond me. I have never had more than $20,000 in my bank account, and I'm almost 40 yrs old. + +The kind of thinking where you get up in the morning and partition your day into a bunch of time slots during which you will accomplish tasks, and then go and do those tasks, is beyond me.. I have never been able to follow through on plans I make for myself so I have become averse to even making plans. +--- 15348249 +>>15334379 (OP) +112 IQ overall +with 132 verbal intelligence index +WAIS IV, did a test here from some reputedly accurate self done test +I don't belong here but I find science interesting and the spaceflight general is really cool +--- 15348251 +>>15348190 +>partition +whenever i hear of someone having a high iq, i find it interesting to look at how they talk. Partition. +>>15347619 +why not? thoughts on uncle ted? +--- 15349333 +>>15334379 (OP) +IQ is bullshit anyway because you can train and improve your pattern recognition. It's just midwit shit. +--- 15349436 +>>15349333 +maybe you can improve your score on the iq test, but there is an innate intelligence factor that effects the ability to adapt to new mental situations. Any attempt to test it may be dismissed by saying that it is possible to practice it. This complaint is untrue because the iq test assumes that you have not taken it before +--- 15349578 +>>15348190 +Ever heard of bitcoin? Last 10 years of shitcoins? I don't know, your IQ seems too high for the basic problems that you are going through. A person in that range should be able to learn just about anything. Plus if you have problems with executive function, you'd seek some intervention during which time you are making the most out of the skills you have learned. If you invested $1000 dollars in any shitcoin in the last 10 yrs you'd have at least $500k at your age and with your IQ very easily. +--- 15349596 +>>15349578 +>in any shitcoin +>in the last 10 years +No. Only if you happened to invest in any given shitcoin before it went viral, and none of the ones that just went bust. + +The vast majority of crypto gamblers have lost money. It was true a decade ago and it remains true today. Just because YOU lucked out doesn't mean your decision was any better than anybody else's without the benefit of hindsight. +--- 15349613 +>>15349596 +>The vast majority of crypto gamblers have lost money. +In order for some to win, many more have to lose. +That is the nature of EVERYTHING. +--- 15349640 +>>15349596 +You are forty so you've been earning money since bitcoin came out. If you heard of bitcoin but missed it, then you heard of litecoin, then doge, then eth, chainlink, etc and I'm assuming you were around when biz got started. Heck the last 3 years would have been heaven for someone who followed any crypto news prior to popularization of defi. You'd have made at least $100k even if you started in 2018 unless you had problems with impulsiveness. For a person in that IQ range, I'd have a hard time believing that you have been feeling bored and demoralized since you were 18 and has made no effort to change your circumstances. Your mind would be effortlessly coming up with potential solutions. +--- 15349739 +>>15349640 +NTA. You clearly don't understand that there's no solution for "it isn't worth it". You're on the level of thinking intelligence means magic and magical self-editing brain manipulation. +>>15348190 +It is entirely possible you have ADHD. >>15347624 The processing speed disparity with your other scores strongly suggest "inattentive" ADHD, rather than any hyperactivity or hyperactive presentation. ADD/inattentive is probably one of the least recognized diagnoses because of how it presents mostly as negative symptoms, such as being unable to self-motivate or being otherwise trapped in "profound boredom" or laziness. +>>15348190 +Case in point. You're me without the self-motivation because your brain is broken. Odds are properly dosed stimulants would work like magic on you. Emphasis on "properly dosed", you definitely don't want to overdo it. You want enough such that your processing speed, and self motivation, ergo executive functioning, are equivalent to your overall ability. I've never read a more picture-perfect example of high-IQ inattentive ADHD. +--- 15349789 +>>15349640 +>What do you mean you can't just magically predict financial markets it's easy look see I do it by hindsight after I already know how it turned out so you must be stupid haha aren't I clever +Do us all a favor and try your bullshit in the stock market until you learn the hard way just how fucking stupid you are. Just remember I told you so. Not because I personally care, but because you're such an arrogant ignorant little shit I know that would make it burn all the worse when you learn the hard way. +--- 15349808 +>>15349739 +Like I said add has a solution. There's no problem with getting medication for this. His problem seems less to do with boredom and more to do with money. So it feels like he's is afraid of quitting because of no money. +--- 15349814 +>>15349789 +Lol go complain elsewhere retard. Imagine being butthurt that someone made more money than you when the knowledge to make it has been on biz for 9 years. +--- 15349824 +>>15349739 +And at his IQ level, he should have already figured this out and tried for a solution. +--- 15349825 +>>15347342 +No, 4chan is for faggots, it's not like any board seriously attracts any true smart achievers, only smarmy little fuckers. I seldom check for any good threads. +--- 15349853 +>>15347624 +High IQ are drawn to the NEET lifestyle. +--- 15349885 +>>15349808 +>Like I said add has a solution. +It is entirely possible I am the first person to even point out the possibility he has ADHD. He may otherwise simply not have the relevant knowledge or interests to have figured that out himself. + +You've gone from a hindsight narrative gambler's fallacy to blaming someone for not medicating himself for a condition he may not even know he has. +>>15349824 +>And at his IQ level, he should have already figured this out and tried for a solution. +By implication that means you're admitting I'm smarter than the both of you. While trying to argue with me over whether or not your criticisms are valid. + +Guess how well that's going for you? +--- 15349919 +>>15349885 +I made this post >>15349578 before you where I posit a solution for his problem with executive function. And I'm not blaming him, I'm taking his frustration, his age and his IQ range and trying to figure out how such a combination would struggle with anything financial over the last 10 yrs while on 4chan. I'm 30 years old and I already knew that I had an executive function problem at 10. It took me till I was 22 to actually tackle it after all the complaints at school and by my parents about being bright but slow. I figured this out on my own through a frustratingly painful trial and error regime of experimenting on different drugs. I don't even know my IQ, but I'd be willing to bet it's less than what this guy has posted (if that's really his IQ). I've not made any comments about your intelligence. You are actually now doing to me what you accuse me of doing to him. If anything, it's your ignorance about what it feels like to have some executive function disorder and how frustrating it can be that is blinding you to make such a comparison. It feels like an itch that you can never scratch till it finally hits you why it was an itch. The itch never goes away because of how it affects your life, so the inclination to understand it is constant. It's always at the back of your mind. And for a high IQ person, satiating your curiosity becomes a need that has to be met. Going till 40 with that unmet need still lingering in the background for a person in his range is very unrealistic. +--- 15349958 +>>15349919 +Cool story bro. +--- 15349979 +>>15334379 (OP) +I can't use the IQ test because I think in color shifting patterns, they don't have a name for it yet. + +I can conceptualize and visual just fine, but I need to associate it with this miasma of shifting colors in my head space first. +--- 15350598 +>>15349436 +But it doesn't matter whether you've practiced it or not. Someone with a higher IQ, practiced or not, is better at pattern recognition in a sense than someone lower. And no, it's been tested. The innate intelligence factor does not matter because anybody's brain can grow if pushed out of its comfort zone. "The ability to adapt to new mental situations" is a practiced skill like any other. Read about neuroplasticity. +--- 15350600 +>>15334398 +I'm 141. I consider this board one of the worst on this site. +--- 15350709 +>>15349853 +Exactly. Normal people are disgusted by NEETdom, because being completely self directed and driven by internal desires for creative achievement without external guidance or pressure is not something they can easily fathom. High IQ people on the other hand are far less in need of external validation, and realize how much you can get away with in these modern times of material abundance by ignoring social norms and actively taking advantage of what is merely there instead of playing 'by the rules'. They understand that they can live a lifestyle, right now, that would make most actual kings jealous. +--- 15350713 +>>15349919 +> don't even know my IQ, but I'd be willing to bet it's less than what this guy has posted + +We can tell. It is so obvious that you are an actual midwit, the way you are so confident that you were correct for gambling 'rightly' and that you believe happening to be successful in that case validates your strategy in hindsight, it all absolutely demonstrates your midwittery and unearned overconfidence. +--- 15350717 +>>15334379 (OP) +Drank my way down to 95, never felt better. WAGMI +--- 15350721 +>>15349578 +>>15349640 +>>15349919 + +I haven't ever invested any money in anything even though I heard about bitcoin in 2009 when it was still less than a dollar. I suppose I just never really believed I could beat the odds. I knew that losing money in the market would feel awful, and didn't want to be unreasonably obsessed and fearful and always worrying about an investment I didn't really trust myself to make. + +>>15349739 +>>15349808 +>>15349885 + +It was in the process of getting evaluated for ADHD that I took the IQ test. I was diagnosed for all the reasons you mentioned, and I have been taking Adderall for the past couple years. + +It has helped me focus, but hasn't helped me be able to get out of my car and go into work - and once sitting at my desk, to be able to open up outlook or word or excel and just do the work. The drug makes it easier to binge Wikipedia or Reddit or Twitter for hours without getting distracted as much... it makes me happy and satisfied and removes some of the motivating power of the knowledge that I am not doing what I should be doing. Also, it affects my judgement: the "wrong" decision doesn't feel as bad compared to the "right" decision as it usually does. This makes negotiating technical stuff and social stuff difficult, with tedious revisioning and rethinking until I'm sure I am on the right course. + +As far as I can tell, for me Adderall makes it not so terrible to be in a negative hedonic space. I can see how that would help some people get work done, as being productive involves being able to dip into that negative space throughout the work day. However, it also makes the gradient between the negative and positive hedonic space not so steep, an effect which actually decreases my motivation to take common sense actions which might result in my feeling better, and skews my thinking in ways that are hard to notice. + +Maybe there are other drugs which would work better for me. +--- 15350729 +>>15350713 +I'm confident because I suffered for the knowledge. It seems like you are butthurt about that and calling me a midwit is somehow supposed to hurt me? Find a better hobby anon, or better yet try dedicating time to understand yourself, it will hurt less than seething at the success of online strangers. +--- 15350738 +>>15350721 +Is there a reason why you earn so little? Did you go to university? Got any technical skills? Never bothered to learn? It seems to me like you have a fear of risk. +--- 15350748 +>>15350738 +I got a BA in Music in 2007, taught high school math at a very small private school for a couple years, then worked at an antiques mall. Then, went back to school funded by my grandfather and got a BS in ME/Mechatronics in 2015. For the two years I was finishing up my degree I was able to work hard, and ended up graduating tied for top of my class (at a state university). + +I made $55k in 2016 at my first engineering job, and gradually became less and less functional there until I lost my job in 2021. I did do some good work in my first year which got me a raise to $80k. It was fall 2020 when I really stopped coming in at all to that job, at which point I stopped taking a salary (Although working salary, in engineering companies you still have to say which jobs you spent your hours on and I couldn't charge hours to jobs I wasn't working on, so I told them to pay me short in proportion to the days I worked.) + +I got my current job fall 2021 for a salary of 90k after being diagnosed with ADHD. It was last December that I fully disconnected and stopped being able to do real work. I haven't been entirely absent for the last four months, but I have been extremely spotty in attendance and have done hardly any work. Again, I am only asking for pay for the days I come in and do work, which is less than half of the time. I expect to be fired soon, and have no idea what I'll do for healthcare etc. after that - I have only a couple thousand dollars in the bank. +--- 15350797 +>>15350748 +It's hard to tell what motivates you. Does the idea of having no money scare you? Or is it that you have to deal with people in a boring environment. Going by what you have written so far, it seems like you are genuinely worried about having no job despite not being motivated by it, so maybe the medication isn't working for you. What happened to your psychiatrist, have you relayed these concerns to them? +--- 15350846 +>>15350748 +Did you try for graduate school? Neetbuxing? It seems like you have the ability to pursue your interests but get bogged down by some boredom factor that you can't seem to pin down. Have you tried quitting social media, diet changes? Living in the woods with minimal contact. Moved out of the country? If I were you I'd find a way to keep that job for another year and use the money to tryout all the things I've listed. That's basically how I did it. I tried out all the ideas that kept popping up in my head till something worked. You have to be comfortable with risk and failure. Or you could just wait till you hit rock bottom and see how creative you get, but that's something that I'd recommend to a younger person. +--- 15351492 +>>15340151 +Retard +--- 15351557 +>>15350721 +That is interesting. As you've guessed you probably want to experiment with some other drugs. It is entirely possible as well that maybe the stimulant class of ADHD treatment isn't the right treatment for you either. There are many nonstimulant drugs used as well if trying different stimulants does not work for you. +--- 15351595 +>>15351557 +>>15350721 +Worth mentioning as well, now that I think about it, that to me you seem to be reporting a difference in levels of anxiety more than anything else. Being able to relax would change your thinking, of course, and I've seen more than one person think that being able to function in a more normal sense is "removing their edge". + +The thing about high IQ in particular is you've got to be cautious of cognitive justification traps. It's a lot easier to justify things, especially situations one becomes habituated to, and a lot harder for anyone else to convince you otherwise. I would guess that there are other reasons, entirely, for the lack of motivation other than the ADHD and something more a therapist would be better to deal with than drugs in that case. + +Contingent upon, of course, my series of assumptions being correct. Given there's little detail to go on that is a "big if", you understand. Even so the notion needs placing because you may need to consider such perspectives, and generate more of these better suited to your specific case. Otherwise you'll be chasing the wrong solution when the drug is actually working fine. Notwithstanding for people who have reported similar issues where adderall is not helping the motivation, people have reported doing better on concerta or similar nonstimulants. No way to know which hypothesis is the more correct without experimentation, and possibly a therapist, perhaps even one specializing in the unique problems people at the top end of IQ like us experience. If your ADHD has not inhibited your perspective taking you should know what I mean. +--- 15351658 +>>15334379 (OP) +got mine measured by Mensa to 135+, test didn't go higher and I scored 40/40 +I'm talking about a real test at their locale, not the public online tests +--- 15351677 +>>15351658 +Was it a timed ravens matrix test? +--- 15351784 +>>15351677 +yep, exactly right +--- 15351861 +>>15334611 +Mine is on a number a normie like you cannot comprehend +--- 15351880 +How "smooth" is IQ relative to how you experience living? I find it pretty hard to believe that my internal experience as a 140cel is as different from an average person as that of a 60chad. I aspire to somehow ascend to 200, where I'll become human 2.0, as different from a normie as a normie is to a rock. +--- 15352223 +>>15350846 +At work right now sitting at my desk. + +I haven't seriously tried eliminating Internet use, moving somewhere else, living in a cabin in the woods, starting a mediation habit, starting a regular exercise habit, investigating my state through psychedelics, or going to church.. although I spend a lot of time imagining what I might be able to do and I've made some temporary stabs in a few of those directions. I have sought help from a hypnotherapist and from a counselor specializing in cognitive behavioral therapy. There have been lasting emotional benefits from therapy but not behavioral ones (aside from temporarily in the few days after a season) as far as I can see. Historically, I haven't stuck to a plan I've made to make changes in my habits for longer than 3 or 4 days. +--- 15352229 +>>15351595 +I've also considered that what's going on is a problem that could be addressed through therapy rather than through stimulants. I don't know how to find a therapist who will pick apart the actual issue and confront me on the justifications/stories I've developed around it, rather than just applying the tenets of their particular specialty. You're right that it also could be addressed through other drugs - modafinil? Ritalin? Intuniv? My neuropsychologist who diagnosed my ADHD isn't my prescribing doctor - that's my GP who isn't a specialist and has voiced the opinion to me that he thinks all ADHD drugs work approximately the same. + +Anyway, it's hard to do anything about it when employed because I spend all day in a haze trying to be productive, or not letting myself do anything constructive or even have any fun while I'm not working, and the evenings decompressing from the day's consternation. And when unemployed I don't come into constant contact with my limitations and so feel good enough that my issues aren't easily accessible enough to know how well therapy is working. + +I know I'm talking and thinking in circles and not making progress. The mode of thought that causes my problems also keeps me loopy enough to not take consistent steps to fix them. +--- 15352251 +>>15350846 +>>15351595 + +Thanks also for listening to me and spending a few minutes of your day frankly talking about my shit, I hardly ever am able to have these conversations with people irl because of their emotional investment in my life. And not brave enough to reveal total dysfunction in public social media. + +I know I am shitting up this thread but it feels less terrible to shit up a board that's already pretty shitty, and good to get advice from people who have some idea what I am talking about. +--- 15352255 +>>15352229 +I'd suggest to find a way to start experimenting with them while you are still employed and feeling the pressure. If you settle for your comfort zone you might never solve this problem. Plus the nice thing about this is that at your IQ, you'll notice the changes very fast. If telling the doctor that you think you might lose your job isn't enough to jolt him into action, I believe you can try for the black market. And it's essential that you at least try so that in the future, you don't suffer from regrets. +--- 15352371 +>>15352229 +>>15352251 +Honestly my friend it is entirely possible to have depression on top of ADHD. You seem to have a kind of anxiety feedback loop paralyzing you and, yeah, you really could use a therapist. You're trapped in the adaptive behavior you developed, or so would seem to me, working around your ADHD or other problems. + +Without a therapist and professionals to help you figure that out it's impossible to know if it's made worse or not with adderall. My GUESS would be that adderall or medication isn't your problem anymore. You just habituated so strongly due to such a late life diagnosis you really need help disentangling it. Your current problems certainly won't help you relax of course. Kinda worried about you feeling so trapped in any event. + +Really the more you can contemplate and let yourself relax and view things more broadly, I think, the less you'll keep this problem. Kind of reads like you do have strong anxiety-driven patterns of behavior but that can only be a superficial observation because, well, internet. Please try to get some help with it and figure out what's really going on. +--- 15352511 +>>15334379 (OP) +Just barely, I think it was 137. Doesn't mean shit though. Might mean I learn things a little faster. +--- 15354139 +>>15334901 +>self discipline is the gift of sub 80 IQs + +No, it's a skill. You're just fucking lazy. School was easy and you learnt to wing it. Now you can't discipline yourself and you fetishise your IQ as a coping mechanism. +--- 15354338 +incel circlejerk itt +--- 15354720 +>>15334479 +>then they leave after seeing the 12th thread on 0.999... +Fucking kek! +--- 15355112 +WAIS was 130, only real IQ test I've taken +I do not consider one's ability to arrange children's blocks to be an accurate measure of intellectual capacity. IQ tests are garbage. +--- 15355225 +>>15334398 +Stop lying, most of you guys are Pajeets. +--- 15357822 +>arrogance, egoism and pride +Why are /sci/entists like that? +--- 15358825 +Do any of you have leaked wais or other pro tests, I want to test someone... +--- 15359771 +>>15335031 +Could you (or any high iq anons) give an example conversation of you explaining a concept to a midwit and an example conversation of you explaining the same concept to another high iq person +--- 15359982 +>>15359771 +>Could you (or any high iq anons) give an example conversation of you explaining a concept to a midwit and an example conversation of you explaining the same concept to another high iq person +I don't mentally frame or treat people in derogatory ways like that, calling people "midwits", as if value is solely dependent on some individual personal metric I feel I'm "superior" in. It's more about being socially pragmatic. You don't want to come off like a jackass, and that does involve figuring out how receptive somebody is to more complicated ideas. Not just in general, but also situationally. Fuck that up badly enough and the "receiver" IQ is irrelevant because you're being a jackass whether you know it or not. + +In the neutral case, assuming a person has no relevant experience, in general a persons ability determines how many abstractions and how much jargon can be used with minimal additional definition. The better one is at this the more brief explanations can be. + +A practical example conversation, for an average person, might be trying to explain something about logic. The higher someone's SD from the norm the more likely the implications of some abstraction, like modus tollens, is to be understood. i.e. "if P, then Q. Not Q. Therefore, not P". No further examples or definitions may be necessary for correct understanding and application, though without rigor mistakes can still of course be made. + +For your average person in the neutral case, they may need several concrete examples or visual diagrams to better understand how generalizable the concept actually is and its limitations. It requires more training and leading examples to get "the big picture". In such a conversation, or if I were teaching a class, I would endeavor to use many disparate examples to hammer home how generalizable it is. The same goes for then demonstrating, by concrete example or visual example, where it would go wrong. + +In summary I just use more diagrams and examples. diff --git a/sci/15334386.txt b/sci/15334386.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5b159be8379a7c0786b57a59592e3e9610876eb2 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15334386.txt @@ -0,0 +1,152 @@ +----- +--- 15334407 +ctmu +--- 15334457 +>>15334407 +Looks interesting +--- 15334481 +>>15334457 +it is very +--- 15334931 +>>15334386 (OP) +Does it have a future? How does it differ from Computer Science +--- 15334935 +>>15334931 +There's no money in doing cybernetics if that's what you're asking. Cybernetics is incompatible with capitalism. +--- 15334977 +>>15334931 +Computer science is about computers. +Cybernetics is about amphetamines and schizophrenia +--- 15335041 +>>15334977 +It's just a statement of fact. If people believe that all work must be profitable then unprofitable work like cybernetic research is not considered work. There is no money to be made in cybernetics because the theory itself leads to an obvious conclusion of utopian automation. This makes it clearly incompatible with profit motives because if most of the hard labor is done by robots then what use is money? +--- 15335073 +>>15335041 +Still useful. Plus superneurons and diseases cured and mindware practictioner field and profession emerges +--- 15335115 +>>15334977 +Ah so like astronomy vs astrology +--- 15335577 +>>15335115 +Do you think astonomy is only just Surpassing astrology in earthnarrativeterms of propelling civilisation? +Do astronomy advancement people get blessed by the gods andor whatever too? +--- 15335580 +>>15335577 +>astonomy +Astronomy* +--- 15335586 +I thought cybernetics meant prosthetic limbs to be desu +--- 15337524 +>>15334935 +Nice picrel. What is cybernetics? +>>15334977 +What is cybernetics? What is computation? +--- 15338581 +>>15334386 (OP) +If cybernetics was taken seriously, we'd have had self-driving cars in the 1990s. +--- 15339225 +don't even waste a second of your time trying to understand or learn cybernetics. it's literally nothing. just a bunch of nonsense babbling about adaptive systems and shit, it's an exercise in basic logic and english language if anything. it's not a science, nor it is remotely scientific and you don't actually do anything with it except for submiting papers where you talk about consequences. + +whereas if you study the more esoteric math, it'll still have some sense and rigor, cybernitcs is literally nothing, less that philosophy and gender studies even. + +>t. studied cybernetics. +I wish I didn't waste my time with it and studied mech engineering or applied math or something that actually has a basis in reality at least. +--- 15339229 +>>15335586 +that's the beauty of it, it is nothing and it can be anything you want it to be. it's literally a buzz word used by economists to appear smarter and more learned than they are in fact +--- 15339738 +>>15339225 +You're retarded at a fundamental level, the thing with cybernetics is that it's ultimately just a explanation and a perspective on how intelligent systems organise themselves and while this in and of itself is completely inert although a very good intellectual exercise by itself if you keep the theory pure, the utility of cybernetics only comes into existence at the intersection with another field, for example this can be seen in neuron behavior at every level a prime example would be energy homeostasis refer to https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2019.00049/full +--- 15339764 +>>15334386 (OP) +3.14 +--- 15339987 +>>15339927 +Yes ctmu is just a boring extrapolation of the universe in cybernetic terms +--- 15340296 +>>15339738 +its a bunch of nonsense. calling it a "way of thinking" gives that away. there's math, its application, mathematical modeling and that's about it. + +you could model anything as anything, calling it cybernetics and wishing away the math by drawing fancy art doesn't make it real. + +I've unfortuantely studied way too much of this babble to speak as an uninformed citizen. + +I'm saying this as an advice and a warning to all prospecting young students, don't waste your time it, just do math if you're into such wizardry +--- 15340727 +>>15340296 +It's incredibly useful and relevant in the agricultural industry and in neuroscience both of which are my main hobbys and I find cybernetics being used in these fields hence my interest +--- 15341627 +>>15340727 +interesting then. name one equation that you learned with "cybernetics" that might be useful. +you cannot because such things don't exist, only fancy vague drawings. + +agriculture is a discipline in itself, so is neuroscience. if you want to test hypothesis you gather data and do some statistical tests on it, or maybe model it as differential equations. or as some form of algebra. + +math teaches all of that and cybernetics teaches none of that, only that systems are complex and adaptive +--- 15341641 +>>15341627 +It seems you've mistaken the application of mathematics for the only tool of use to an educated person + +One day you might see things differently but people like you are pointless to argue with +--- 15341646 +>>15341641 +idk how pointless I am to argue with. I asked you for material, logical, cartesian or whatever knowledge you extracted from "cybernetics". I have studied it as my main subject in university and I am telling you I just wasted a bunch of time learning a bunch of nice sounding philosophy and rethoric. + +as part of the class we also dicked around with tableau and wolf/sheep population simulations but nothing too serious +--- 15342273 +>>15337524 +bumped for this +--- 15342292 +>>15340296 +I'm a person uninitiated to cybernetics. Is it all just a giant Fourier Transform? +--- 15342308 +Does cybernetics have anything to say about the new wave of AI? I get that it isn't the most quantitative of discipline, but even something like heuristics for designing low-rank adaptations would already be of significant practical value (and probably theoretical value as well). +--- 15342922 +>>15341627 +>>15341627 +>>15341641 +It's not so much mathematical equations but just the concepts behind it in feedback i'll give an example out of some gay document i had to write +"In the context of REDACTED, the most optimal way to achieve sustainable intensification appears to be through the diligent monitoring and collection of data on all inputs and outputs within the agricultural system. This involves tracking various factors such as water usage, fertilizer application, crop yields, and livestock health, among others. By employing cybernetic principles, the farm is able to analyze this data and identify patterns or trends that may indicate areas for improvement or potential inefficiencies. +Once this data has been collected and analyzed, the farm can then quantify the effects of any alterations made to these inputs on the end result outputs, such as crop yield or livestock productivity. This process of continuous monitoring, analysis, and adjustment is reminiscent of a cybernetic feedback loop, wherein the system constantly self-regulates and adapts based on the information it receives." +As well as the study I posted early https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2019.00049/full which is about ATP/energy levels determining neuron behavior +--- 15343882 +>>15342922 +yeah. and in real speak terms you're going to gather numerical data on those exogenous variables, do a regression analysis or what have you and determine the link between it and the endogenous variable aka crop out or whatever you're interested in. + +now you're doing statistics. + +>>15342292 +I didn't do anything of the sort while studying it, so idk. you may apply fourier transformations in a "cybernetic" way I guess +--- 15344691 +>>15343882 +But that's what cybernetics is isn't it? Just a a series of feedback loops and corrections +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oad8Ro8j_fE&ab_channel=IndridCold [Embed] +--- 15344789 +One time I farted and accidentally shit my pants on the bus. Now I use the feedback from the nerves in my anus to control the flow of gas and check for imminent stool. +--- 15344979 +>>15334386 (OP) +Cybernetics is self organizing systems. The old cybernetics is actually just neural networks. No one has formally proved it yet but it's hidden. +--- 15345338 +>>15344789 +yeah bro you're doing advanced cybernetics +--- 15346084 +>>15344789 +Source? +--- 15346951 +>>15334386 (OP) +No one has really given an adequate sense yet of what cybernetics is yet so I'll start. It came about during the 1940s when they shipped a bunch of academics to Mexico to help with the war effort. Norbert Wiener and Arturo Rosenbluth were interested in the prospect of their potentially being hidden areas of research and development because academics tend to get shoved into silos where they only focus on a limited area of study. So in Mexico, they ended up discussing what each other was doing and tried to understand each other’s subjects in that other persons own terms. They eventually found that quite a few disciplines had their own conceptions of control and communication, such that various disciplines used the ideas of control and communication in analogous ways yet operating over different domains of interpretation. Walter Pitts and Warren McCulloch noticed for example, that the all-or-nothing potential of neurons could be mapped onto Boolean values and created the first ever artificial neuron model. They also noted how the form of different biological systems could tell you about other parallel biological systems in the body. +A lot of people here seem to have "done" it but don't "get" what it is trying to do. You do cybernetics when you try to find functional analogies across different disciplines. You could call it applied math, applied physics, applied philosophy. That's kind of reductive and misses the overarching point of what the subject is trying to do. You’re looking for functional analogies between disciplines, which tell you something about both. The issue currently with cybernetics at the moment (which people in the field acknowledge), is that people are fonder of talking about it and its applications rather than actually doing anything with it. +--- 15347762 +>>15337524 +--- 15348264 +>>15339225 +>he didn't make it into RAND +--- 15352486 +>>15344691 +see: +>>15346951 +and: +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ6orMfmorg [Embed] +>>15344691 +Paul's a pretty cool guy IMO. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCQWtTcCaRY [Embed] diff --git a/sci/15335194.txt b/sci/15335194.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..47f0e668769928b6dab697c787112d84a1772dbd --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15335194.txt @@ -0,0 +1,425 @@ +----- +--- 15335194 +Let's share our fail stories. Application, paper, grant rejections etc. + +I received so many rejections over the career, it's a chilling feeling. Now a prof, but struggling even more than I was a PhD student. Peers think you're worthless and should be kicked off, subordinates constantly fuck up things, bosses, especially financial managers, think you're not superstar enough and should fund yourself on your own. + +I currently got 40 Scopuses and that cost me about 100 rejections over the career. Academics are pretty disadvantaged unless they are superstars. + +Anyway, share your story. +--- 15335249 +>>15335194 (OP) +I'm probably too low in the ladder to share, but I recently left my master's program because in the beginning of this year our grant got rejected and so the head of the lab started working herself and us into the ground. The whole lab exists as her pursuit of the doctorate and finally getting somewhere with the project she's been pushing for about 10 years. +I just realized that I don't want to work this hard for someone else's dream in my mid 20s when it's not even guaranteed that I'll be alive in the next year, so I put a pause to it. Almost all classes are done so I just need to find a new lab shitty lab and write a new easy thesis and get out for a while. +The only problem is that I'm enjoying my 5/2 job in sales as a manager so much I kinda don't feel like doing that right now. +I'll get to it eventually I guess. +As for the desire for the scientific pursuit, I'm actually getting much more progress on my pet projects now, since I don't really need lab equipment for it at this point. + +What's your specialty, BTW? Neurodegenerative disorders for me. + +You don't get to talk to professors here too often, so I'm interested to know more +--- 15335269 +Applied AI, robotics and engineering + +In AI everything is now turning into a competition of superclusters +--- 15335273 +>>15335194 (OP) +>>15335269 +lol. you fell for the AI meme. +there are many areas of AI that doesn't need more than a gaming PC to run and the experiments can be as short as a few hours for a training run. maybe try to switch to those. +--- 15335278 +>>15335273 +Not as much as you think. I don't do that much AI, but it doesn't matter +--- 15335813 +Kinda sad people would prefer to ramble about IQ for the 1000th time instead of talking about this topic +You would think anonymous imageboard is the best place to bitch and moan and not try to assert that your intelectuall dick is longer +--- 15335817 +>no scholarly content +--- 15335819 +Imagine letting a brainlet review your paper that you yourself carefully crafted which might be quite complex for him to understand however he still thinks himself to be in authority to do so LMAO! +--- 15335821 +>>15335819 +--- 15335829 +If you read the fine print, Clay's Millenium Prize rewards aren't for people who can solve the problems in the prize list. The money is only for people who can get the jews to publish their papers. One of those things is much harder than the other, I was surprised to learn. +--- 15336880 +The review process is flawed in many regards. Corruption permeated all areas of academic science +--- 15337789 +Ya'll bout success? +--- 15337823 +This is why I'm going to work in industry +--- 15338477 +Can't even get to rejection because I never have time to actually work on any of my shit. + +I got two papers and a diss out before getting a faculty job, and ever since then between class time, grading, and ENDLESS administrative makework and meetings I can't get a single, reliable block of time each week to build up the momentum I need to get any of my drafted papers finished or get any of my grant proposals completed. +--- 15338779 +pump. great topic. +I had my fair share of rejections and jealousy over the years. Had mental health issue during my MSc. Never been on any medication. Got used to everything. I am numb. +--- 15339965 +>>15338779 +Same but I quit (>>15335249) +Can you share how your career went in more detail? +--- 15340045 +>>15335194 (OP) +My advisor was Turkish. Ran a literal Gulen school in NC (teachers can't even speak English. it's a scam subsidized by the town). Most of his grad students are Turkish somehow. The way one of the Chinese grad students put it: +>[Turkish student] goes to the mosque and prays with [advisor]. he will never treat you the way he treats him. +Always shot down my papers, even the last one that my thesis was based on. I graduate. Turkish student I trained before leaving publishes paper with my data. Yay diversity amirite +--- 15340047 +>>15338477 +Are you in Germany by any chance? I know their teaching load is insane, unless you're a superstar full prof at a top uni. +--- 15340067 +>>15340045 +What field? +--- 15340845 +>>15340047 +US - 4 preps, 4 labs, 3 department committee assignments, 2 committee chair assignments, 2 university liaison assignments, 1 student outreach program, and a partridge in a pear tree. I'm typing this reply in the... 60 seconds I have between students coming into my office for office hours and then I've got a lab and three committee meetings today, plus the ~100 something homework assignments in the To Do pile that I need to grade. + +If Germany's worse, I shudder to imagine it. +--- 15341149 +>>15340845 +I have been thinking about moving to the US for a long time. I always thought that the teaching load there was lower than in Germany. In Germany, it's about 7 pure astronomic hours of classes per week, 16+16 weeks per year. This is only pure classes, not counting checking the homework, consultations, exams etc. +--- 15341166 +>>15335194 (OP) +I've applied to over 300 internships since starting university only got 1 interview which didn't go well. +Doubt its going to be any better after I graduate. +--- 15341274 +You have to publish shit and even grossly wrong stuff because it's only about the quantity of items that show up on a pubmed search. Producing stuff that is valuable is too risky and too much work, your doofus colleague will publish 10 shit papers with the same resources and beat you to the grant money. It's a race to the bottom that I am tired of but I have no transferable skills that could earn me similar money elsewhere and I have a family, and I don't want to start a private practice. +--- 15341287 +Private practice ... + +I don't know how related it is, but I keep being told that I should make a startup and it will somehow get me shit tones of money unlike these stupid ass grants that are only handed out to super stars. + +But I simply fail to see what the reason is to create a startup without baked customers. + +In the end, I simply see no perspective of me ever getting satisfied with this kind of life work. It is a never ending frustration +--- 15341339 +>>15341274 +Probably not exactly related to your post, but my thesis advisor recently rebuked me for my thesis topic not being original enough. Been lost since because I spent a lot of time in it +--- 15341353 +>>15341339 +Isn't your thesis topic determined by your advisor? +--- 15341357 +>>15341353 +Yes. But he thinks that my topic was too close to an existing one. So I'm now looking for a new one +--- 15341381 +>>15341357 +The profs give too little fuck about the students. If anything, it's rather the PhDs. Profs think the latter can at least land them a couple of papers. It's all about the fucking papers. The more, the better. And, of course, external money. A prof must attract money, do teaching, publish, supervise, dance and walk on the ceiling +--- 15341383 +couldnt even get to publishing a draft of my paper because i can't figure out one (1) problem in my simulation (tried posting online to ask for help (even here) but nothing came up) +Guess I might never succeed +--- 15341400 +>>15336880 +I hear they are pumping out 4000 papers on AI now.. A day, a day?!? I think they just read what they want to read and say to hell with everything else, understandable considering how boring it can all be +--- 15341454 +>>15341383 +Post here +--- 15341499 +>>15335194 (OP) +Hey OP we have /scg/ too. Sad to hear about your troubles btw +--- 15342127 +>>15341353 +Depends on the advisor. Mine essentially talked with me about some outstanding problems in the field and I basically ended up pulling threads until I found an even more interesting question that wasn't even on his radar. +--- 15342382 +Just the sheer idea that profs gotta beg for money in industry is so flawed, I wonder who even came up with it +--- 15345050 +>>15342382 +Interesting question +Anyone know the history of this practice? +I know peer review was introduced in the middle of the 20th century, but what about the grant system? +--- 15345083 +>>15341166 +What field? +--- 15345094 +>>15345050 +Peer review is flawed either. + +I think it'd be better to abolish traditional publishing altogether. + +Let the researchers simply post their findings in a completely open, freely accessible way on some platform, like Arxiv, with options to comment and discuss. +--- 15345122 +>>15345094 +I'm afraid some gatekeeping is nessesary, at least in the matter of results. +Check out the Alzheimer's scandal for reasons to restrict the ability to just post statistics without authorising them +--- 15345135 +>>15345122 +We have the culture of posting the code and data on Github so that everyone can check. The data must be open. + +Some shithead reviewer whose only purpose is to put me down should be a defining factor in my career. But currently it is +--- 15345272 +>>15345135 +With that attitude yes. +Why don't you become that rewiewer instead? +--- 15346195 +>>15345135 +>>15345272 +reviewers work for almost free so we must thanks them but occasionally I get some opportunistic reviewer who tell me to cite 3 or more of his papers. +--- 15346486 +>>15346195 +This for instance +--- 15346613 +accidently a WEED in college and am now a homeless drop out, what do? +--- 15346938 +>>15335194 (OP) +Just got rejected by my first REU today, let's see how many more I rack up. +--- 15346957 +>>15340845 +Have you ever brought up this issue to your supervisors/coordinators/etc? +--- 15346974 +>>15342382 +Well maybe those profs should just switch their research into something more economically/politically/socially interesting or at least convince them that it could be interesting. +--- 15346975 +I finished my PhD 8 years ago, went to industry, and now I’m making the switch back to Academia after having gained some real world experience and saved up but. It’s tenure track but I have to teach a professional studies masters program. Most people who are qualified won’t stoop that low so it was pretty easy for me to get the job. Nice thing for me is I’m so equally jaded about both academia AND indiustry that now I know how to play both sides like fucking fiddles. +--- 15346981 +>>15346975 +Why go for a job with less money and more hours? +--- 15347069 +>>15346981 +It’s the opposite actually. Professional Studies programs are absolute cash cows +--- 15347465 +>>15346981 +>>15347069 +my department was able to fund a fuckton of PhD students by running a MSc degree mill for a few years, kek +non-tenured professors got paid 6 figure salary teaching part time while keeping full time jobs in industry. +--- 15347470 +>>15347465 +In my country paid education programs are not economically justified +--- 15347617 +>>15347465 +Yep that’s literally what we’ve got going on with our msc program Kek. Employers who hire these kids deserve what they get for only hiring based on resume buzzwords. The students deserve what they get for cheating the system with a glorified bootcamp. And I deserve the cushy high salary job +--- 15347627 +I would agree, but teaching is hella boring and tedious. + +If I taught a course without 3 TAs, I'd literally die. +Lecture scripts, seminars, homework assignments, grading, attendance tracking, other garbage. Doing this alone would cost me 100-130% FTE +--- 15348204 +>>15347465 +That's cool, but how many hours do they have to work per week then? +--- 15350346 +I went through a master's program that was blatantly sexist in favor of women where zero out of six of us finished on time (advertised as a 2yr program) because the professors were so hands-off +One female professor asked me why I wasn't "as ambitious" as one of my female cohort members, in the same conversation where she told me I was a bad fit for the program and asked me what my backup plan was if I failed out because I was one of -seven- students who dropped the Chair's shitty statistics course +found nothing post-grad of course other than a very short unpaid internship that went nowhere right before covid +--- 15350355 +>>15346957 +Yes. Even our external review last year pointed out that our staff and faculty are ridiculously, *hilariously* overworked. But it's the same story at a lot of places right now. +--- 15350975 +>>15347617 +why is it that that msc program can be of low quality? Doesn't the US have federal standards for a bachelor, a msc like in the EU? +--- 15351203 +>>15350975 +Sort of but universities have been exploiting a very specific loophole. So for example with long established fields like math or physics it is very easy for accreditation agencies to evaluate if a program is rigorous or not. So the “cash cow” msc are in new (invented) fields like “data science” or “Africana studies” which do not have well established curriculums so universities can invent anything they want and still get accreditation. +--- 15351370 +>>15351203 +ah makes sense, feels bad man +--- 15351500 +>>15335194 (OP) +>bottom of the class +>a codemonkey for a few years +>between jobs, spam resumes, not even reading the job descriptions, just the keywords +>get hired by an r&d institute +>3 years later a dozen of publications, due to the projects being funded as research (not that i contributed to any of them) +>more than the actual phd candidates i'm working with +>side gigs where i get paid basically just for existing, and putting my name on the grant applications +pic unrelated +--- 15351532 +>>15351500 +Glad for you +--- 15351688 +>>15335829 +But... You're Jewish yourself, Mr. Tooker... +--- 15351693 +>>15340045 +You reek of disgustingly hideous ESL aroma. +--- 15352304 +>>15351532 +what i wanted to say is that the world is mad, it's all a lottery with additional steps, and under no circumstances should anons who're struggling tie up their self-worth to the external results, authorities and such. just do what you enjoy. +--- 15353648 +>>15352304 +It's easy to say when you're on the top. +--- 15353669 +>>15345135 +You clearly have no idea just how immense the tide of utter garbage trying to get published is. + +Schizo midwit ramblings aside, any and every index of publications would get drowned in SEO spam by pajeets and chinks, making it impossible to find new, relevant research. What you'd find is being forced to basically follow the same kind of model that people do with social media - follow key institutions and "influencers", rely on word of mouth marketing by them. Everyone not at MIT or whatever would simply get buried. +--- 15353685 +>>15353677 +Can you please elaborate? +I once had a collaborator from MIT and the guy (an assistant prof) was just excellent. I have personally been considering moving there if I landed an offer. +--- 15353805 +>>15353677 + +You're actually reinforcing this guy's point. A system without peer review over weights MIT just because it's MIT even more than it does now +--- 15353815 +>>15353805 +This. +--- 15354096 +Speaking of my experience, out of 40 papers of mine, maybe with about 3 or 4 I received reviews that actually did help better the manuscript and from which I could learn something. Everything else was pure garbage aimed at putting us down + +The worst was when one of the (chink) reviewers blatantly made a simple math mistake, got called out on it, the (chink) associate editor caught up with that stupid mistake, finally admitted it and still said we were just some nonames not worthy of this (comment) paper +--- 15355743 +>>15354096 +>The worst was when one of the (chink) reviewers blatantly made a simple math mistake, got called out on it, the (chink) associate editor caught up with that stupid mistake, finally admitted it and still said we were just some nonames not worthy of this (comment) paper +maybe you should stop submitting to shit venues. +70% of my reviewers so far has been somewhat helpful, with 30% being super helpful and guide me toward improvement for my paper. +--- 15355879 +>>15354096 +>40 papers +doubt.jpg +what field? +--- 15355936 +yo check this out +https://www.nanaimobulletin.com/news/viu-researchers-granted-more-than-500000-to-pursue-womens-health-study/ +--- 15355941 +>>15355936 +>Wood believes studies on women’s health tend to focus on reproduction, and this has led to gaps and inequities in care, so the team is investigating the history of pelvic conditions, including endometriosis, as well as feminist activism and health care surrounding these issues from the 1960s to the 2000s. +>“Understanding the historical roots of gaps in care that continue to disproportionately affect women, non-binary, gender diverse individuals, and those with reproductive organs historically classified as female, is an important first step to ongoing efforts to improve pelvic health care in 21st-century Canada,” said Wood . +Half a million dollars. +--- 15356669 +>>15355743 +It was for an IF:11.5 journal +--- 15356680 +>>15355879 +Hmm what is there to doubt? It's not many. I said about my field above +--- 15356714 +>>15346613 +Stfu faggot. +--- 15356731 +>>15335249 +>herself +Whew... dodged a bullet here lad. +--- 15357456 +So what to do in the end? +--- 15357464 +>>15335194 (OP) +Why don't you go to industry? You need to realize that academia is needlessly competitive and whatever it produces is mostly useless, even the research on the "superstar" level. Just get a normal job. +--- 15357474 +>>15357464 +As if it were a cakewalk to land a decent industry job. I actually had less success applying for industry jobs than academia +--- 15357477 +>>15335194 (OP) +I have just given up on Academia. I have a really good h-index and about to get my PhD, but Academia is just so depressingly competitive, it destroys otherwise good men. + +I spoke to my adviser (a Nobel laureate) the other day about my future. I knew before he was still rediculously insecure for his position (he's still fucking worried about being percieved as "intelligent" after all this time, as if still in that gradeschool mindset). You know what he said to me? He said despite getting faculty relatively young and always at prestigious institutions he has felt like a loser for most of his life. This was the final straw for me. The fact is that it's true, academics are losers and beggars. I'm going industry and starting my own company ASAP. I will get rich enough to do research on whatever I want. Academia has nothing to offer us except slavery and insecurity. +--- 15357485 +>>15357474 +Then take a non-decent job and work up from there, you spoiled pussy. It's amazing how working academia trains you to be lose your agency. +--- 15357493 +>>15357477 +Already good h-index and didn't even finish the Phd yet. That's impressive, no joke +--- 15357495 +>>15357477 +But your dream of starting a company and doing research on whatever is of course naive +--- 15357512 +>>15357493 +I wrote a really good first author publication in my Masters that got over 200 citations. During my PhD I sacrificed my weekends and holidays with 2 good follow ups. So I ended up with 8 papers in total, and my h-index is basically mostly from the popular Masters work which is now 4, but will be 6 before I leave. My PhD papers are basically just self-citations except for my earlier r*view paper that has 40 citations. But anyway the later work is very popular at conferences so I'm optimistic it will grow as much as my Masters papers. + +>>15357495 +>But your dream of starting a company and doing research on whatever is of course naive +Sorry, but it's not. In the first place my mentor did precisely this and I know many others who did the same. You basically just need enough revenue to get to ~20-40 employees and hire a manager so you can focus on research. My mentor was just a senior lecturer most of his life, now he employs 300 people and does whatever he wants. Another guy I know gave up a postdoc at MIT to do his own thing instead. Secondly, my Professor already said he is going to support me with his huge network as well as financially until we get runway from startup grants. + +I'm not one of those "I'm gonna build my product in my garage like Steve Job did in his 20s" startup scene type. I want to break into proper manufacturing chains and I have the products and the network to do it. + +I think that most people on /sci/ can absolutely do the same too when they think about it deeply, we just don't have the balls to do it. We have no real choice though, academia will only get more and more hostile to White men, our chances of ever getting faculty is 0%. +--- 15357516 +>>15357512 +Is it by Scopus or GoogleScholar? +--- 15357518 +>>15357512 +How much are the costs of starting such a company? +--- 15357527 +>>15357512 +nigga, just go into industry, i bet when people will start to pay you for your product you will derive more meaning from it than academics get from their prestigious awards. If you have the ability you should go a do something useful for others. +--- 15357531 +>>15357516 +GoogleScholar. Scopus is 160 cites for top paper, 35 for review, h-index 4 as these are all in fast indexed journals. + +I put Google on my CV btw, not Scopus. My adviser does the same, it's been normalised now. + +>>15357518 +0? + +It's the same process as applying for a research grant, except you have more of a focus on a business plan and you're applying for startup grants (public), VC (private) and/or bank loans. My plan is actually public startup grants and loans, I don't want to deal with investor boards and my market isn't so big that I need massive growth. +--- 15357535 +>>15357527 +>If you have the ability you should go a do something useful for others. +Precisely. I want to make a difference in the world, and I don't see myself doing that within the confines of academic reearch communities. +--- 15357537 +>>15335194 (OP) +>Academic frustration +reckon the most frustrating aspect about school is how it wasted 90%+ of your time during your peak years. And even worse when it costed thousands of dollars at the collegiate level to teach you very little practical knowledge. Degrees can be valuable but your actual time was totally fucking wasted +--- 15357544 +>>15357531 +Well, ok I had on scopus right after the phd. my top paper has about 80 citations. i m definitely worse off, but not by far. + +Regarding startups, I was thinking of one, but from the statistics it follows that 99% fail. Folks rely on grants and then think they re gonna somehow magically find customers. +that' s not how it works. Baked customers must exist in advance. +--- 15357560 +>>15357537 +Not that simple +--- 15357564 +>>15357544 +From my probes into postdoc opportunities I've realised that the actual content is far more advantageous than the metrics. Profs basically don't care about my M paper, but they gush over my (once) self-cited paper which is a breakthrough in this field which will probably take 2 more years before it even picks up. As for the almighty faculty it's purely political and basically the people who end up getting the positions make no sense to choose unless you are aware of the interests of every member of the hiring committee. + +>Regarding startups, I was thinking of one, +Just do it. Especially if you are on a postdoc or whatever your situation is. Do it while you have some fallback income. +> but from the statistics it follows that 99% fail. +Because 99% of new business involve some foreigner building the fourth exotic food restaurant on the same city block. Of course they fail. Most of these people don't even have business plans or bothered to compute their cashflows. + +Failure is also not that big of a deal in STEM, you can always find a salaried job later. +>Folks rely on grants and then think they re gonna somehow magically find customers. that' s not how it works. Baked customers must exist in advance +I kind of disagree. A lot of companies do development for 5+ years before they ever sell a single product. Having customers is one thing, but if you're building new industries you have to create those customers anyway. If you're trying to steal a slice of a pie that some establidhed company has that's actually far harder. +--- 15357578 +>>15357564 +I thought of many papers of mine as small-to-medscale breakthurs, as also confirmed by various peers and profs. None turned true. We tend to overestimate the significance of our work +--- 15357584 +>>15357578 +Your research was useless worthless midwit, not everyone is like you +--- 15357588 +>>15357584 +Sure thing. There is some minority of superstars. +--- 15357599 +>>15357537 +The professional landscape is more complex than that. There are many losers in gradschools, but even more losers in industry who are stuck in low paid roles. + +I spent a year in industry as a process engineer after my bachelors then another two years in a prestigious private R&D lab (with physicists +chemists, mathematicians and engineers on my team so this path is applicable to everyone ITT) after my Masters. I genuinely see zero distinction between the work in industry and my PhD. It was the exact same kind of experiments/process line data --> modelling --> simulation --> optimisation work. A good gradschool project, even in a fundamental topic, is practical and the people in industry I meet all express interest in my PhD work. It's all very connected and probably not the worst way to build your career/wealth in your 20s. I actually made the most money during my Master (Consulting+TAship+studentship) btw. I made more than most of my friends who were full time engineers with 6+ years experience at this point. I'm now finishing my PhD at a national lab and I can at least feed my family and my wife doesn't have to work. + +There are definitely many scam gradschool positions (visa scam "Masters degrees", slave labour PhD stipends), but those people buying into it are just as unsuccessful in obtaining high paying industry positions and would be better off leaving STEM altogether. + +>tl;dr: +Don't be scared of "wasting" your 20s in gradschool, be careful of wasting it in any shit position whether that be industry or academic. +--- 15357602 +>>15357560 +I mean school is definitely useful in the early years - the most important things they ever teach are taught in elementary, and it is useful in promoting exercise and getting kids off their asses. Kids need all the exercise they can get. A lot of poor kids find value in the free meals they get and it keeps kids off the streets. It is generally, usually a safe space and kids can learn socialization there. It also keeps teen pregnancies (and the collective birth rate) down. + +But the massive time wasting at the high school and college level is unignorable. Not to mention the important things they COULD be teaching kids but choose not to. I dont want to get into it. If a teacher wanted to teach you something important they could teach it in a couple minutes tops, maybe 30 minutes for some difficult concepts. But they have to drag shit out for months/years to maintain a curriculum to sell to young adults, they have to waste time. The degrees can be valuable for some people sometimes. + +and I can only speak for the American public/private school system. There are frustrations at the doctorate level, and that really sucks, but I reckon its not nearly as shitty as the years of time wasting inherent in the system +--- 15358444 +I once rejected a tenure because the teaching load would have been insane. It would have taken me about 130% FTE work to cover everything. +--- 15358541 +>>15358444 +that sucks, did you waste a couple of years fighting for that tenure or they give that tenure right away? +--- 15358582 +>>15358444 +this is surprising to me because my experience has been that tenured profs appear to live on easy street - contract faculty get lumped with the four 100+ student intro/general courses every semester and tenures just do their 2-3 upper levels or grad classes and put out a poster or a paper a year and frequently get excused from administrative shit like committee positions +--- 15358599 +>>15358541 +Just applied, passed the interview, thought it through thoroughly and finally decided it wouldn't make me happy. Teaching sucks to be honest. It's a low-tier job among academics +--- 15358623 +>>15358599 +sounds like a scam position desu. with that teaching load you wouldn't be able to do proper research and they can always fire you for that. you dodged the bullet. +--- 15358633 +>>15358582 +I don't know. I currently teach 2 6 ECTS courses with 4 TAs each and it's debilitating during class terms. +The other position would have been x5 of that teaching load and no TAs +--- 15358645 +>>15358623 +Of course no research. That was more like a lecturer position +--- 15359034 +>>15358599 +>Teaching sucks to be honest. It's a low-tier job among academics +True, I like giving a conference talk way more than teaching. + +A Professorship is supposed to be this ultimate destination, but honestly a full time research position at a national lab or similar is far more satisfying. +--- 15359070 +>>15359034 +There are few professor positions with little to no teaching. Like mine, for instance, but it's precarious and I feel like that guy's supervisor -- a loser looked down from by my starlike peers. diff --git a/sci/15337076.txt b/sci/15337076.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..bcd33ddb6d254233d0c986a4399a448c5a231ca5 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15337076.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1259 @@ +----- +--- 15337076 +The US used to have many very hot summers, with the hottest being 1936. +There were many other extremely hot years which occurred at low CO2 levels. +https://realclimatescience.com/erasing-americas-hot-past/ +Twenty years ago, NASA’s James Hansen was upset that the US was cooling – even as CO2 increased. +>How can the absence of clear climate change in the United States be reconciled with continued reports of record global temperature? +>in the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases — in fact, there was a slight cooling throughout much of the country +So he decided to change the historical record to create a narrative more suitable to his political goals +--- 15337084 +data before adjustment +--- 15337085 +data after adjustment +--- 15337094 +>>15337084 +saved +--- 15337098 +>>15337094 +--- 15337102 +who else can you rely on for data though? +i certainly don't have the capability to accurately measure the atmospheric temperatures for the past 100 years or whatever. +how do you confirm the validity of data, and how do you standardize that data in accordance with how methods of measurement have changed? + +i would imagine that regardless of how the temperature of the planet is changing, if there was an objective or nearly objective record of that change, it would be hard to argue for anything but the truth. +--- 15337106 +>>15337102 +>who else can you rely on for data though? +Citizen scientists competing for the most accurate measurements + +Trusting non-replicable data sets under the circumstances for intolerably high degrees of moral hazard will go down as the 21st centuries version of the galileo affair +--- 15337108 +>>15337102 +>if there was an objective or nearly objective record of that change, it would be hard to argue for anything but the truth. +Get a load of this anon. Still believes the TV and the "government". kek +--- 15337129 +>>15337102 +It's the same retards another anon already corrected about old data not correcting for known heat island effects and whatnot. Things you can examine, test, and account for. +>>15337076 (OP) +>I don't understand it therefore conspiracy and lies +as if anyone falls for your bullshit +--- 15337547 +>>15337076 (OP) +man made +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl +--- 15337885 +>>15337076 (OP) +>>15337094 +Is there any other sources for this claim other than that blog ? I couldn't find any other information about it. I did find this page about the author of that blog though. He's clearly got an adgenda, posts under a pseudonym and is not a climatologist +https://www.desmog.com/steven-goddard +I couldn't find anything about the Hansen fellow corrupting data either, although he does sound like a lunatic due to his activism +--- 15338177 +>>15337885 +>is not a climatologist +only make him more trustworthy, climatologists are the ones with agendas, they're out of a job unless they say that the world is going to end in two weeks, ostracized via the peer review process. +--- 15338223 +>>15338177 +>climatologists are the ones with agendas +just like cops and foxnews +--- 15338419 +>>15338223 +>foxnews +their agenda isn't what you think it is. rupert murdoch is a business partner of george soros in a number of ventures, fox is a controlled opposition news outlet. +--- 15338428 +>>15337076 (OP) +Based Tony Heller enjoyer. +Climatology is really a cargo cult/government propaganda. +--- 15338446 +>>15338428 +Atmospheric science was a subset of physics until about 30 years ago. When they turned it into "climate science" and took it out from under he umbrella of physics, it lost all of its rigor and basis in mathematics. Kind of a shame too, if all those climate scientists were banging their heads against difficult physics like convection and other tough thermodynamics issue, some nice new analytical solutions might've eventually popped out. Unfortunately is all just a bunch of lame brained eco activists instead, what a gyp +--- 15339631 +>>15337102 +The data is all sourced from NASA & NOAA +--- 15339638 +>>15338419 +>fox is a controlled opposition news outlet. +No shit. And Rupert the monkey boy is no longer in charge, it's his ultra-leftist son who has had gay sex with top Democrats, who controls Fox News now. + +www.infowars.com for real news. +--- 15339991 +>>15337885 +>>15337102 +Go through Berkley Earth's methodology, which was specifically organized to assess these adjustments and other claims by skeptics. +https://essd.copernicus.org/articles/12/3469/2020/essd-12-3469-2020.html +--- 15339995 +>>15339991 +>i started muh graph in the mini-ice age caused by the tambora eruption in order trick low iqs into taking one quick glance at the graph and presuming global warming is real +why are climate hysterics all so dishonest? +lmao that this kind of lying routinely passes peer review, really shows how aggressively untrustworthy scientists are. +--- 15340004 +>>15337076 (OP) +The problem I have with all these arguments is it doesn't align with what's happening in the natural world. + +Basically all Climate Change Deniers have at their disposal is attacking data points because if they were forced to address real world changes happening in all disciplines they would immediately lose all their arguments. So they attack data points. + +Meanwhile: +Fish are migrating +https://e360.yale.edu/features/feeling-the-heat-warming-oceans-drive-fish-into-cooler-waters +Fish, birds, insects, and even plants are migrating due to climate change +https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/03/210319125516.htm +Adelie penguins, which are an arctic species are dying and being replaced by gentoo penguins, which are subarctic, because the sea ice they depend on is shrinking +https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/19267/20160111/warmer-waters-cause-overlap-between-adelie-gentoo-penguins-antarctic.htm + +Because animals don't read charts. They simply react to changing climate. You can't trick nature by pretending climate change is a lie by posting misleading charts and misinformation. + +So keep posting bullshit. The whole scientific world knows climate change is happening. The only ones who don't are old irrelevant dinosaurs from the past who refuse to accept the changing science and people on the payroll of oil companies. +--- 15340006 +>>15339995 +>I don't know anything about the subject so everyone else is wrong +Do you have any specific arguments about methodology or are you just going to continue schizoposting? +--- 15340205 +>>15338419 +>>15339638 +>t. massive tin foil hatters +--- 15340260 +Climate scientists will tell you that the dust bowl era was fake, but they will also tell you that the dust bowl era proves that global warming is real. +No matter what the context, they will always come up with a lie that "proves" global warming is real. +They have to lie, because global warming is fake. +--- 15340278 +>>15340260 +>claim without source +>contradictory claim without source +Okay chump. +--- 15340279 +>>15340004 +Wow, so you mean animals can adapt to a changing world? You mean that animals haven't lived in the same place since the beginning of time? That they have always migrated and changed habitats? +What a revelation. +--- 15340371 +>>15340006 +That's TWO separate data sets combined. It literally says it at the bottom: +>(& HadCRUT4.6 for 2001 - 2019) + +That would be like combining two different datasets from two separate clinical trials, both of which had widely different clinical parameters, and then saying "Yeah, this is bad!" +It's literally pseudoscience. +--- 15340441 +>>15340279 +I'm still bewildered about mammoths living in the coldest parts of the planet during the ice age and then when it got hot, they decided to live in Africa & south Asia. +--- 15340443 +>>15340371 +What's wrong with that? These (and several other) datasets are in good agreement when considered separately. +--- 15340476 +>>15340443 +>temperature anomaly starts in the little ice age +errry single time +political activists posing as scientists are killing science +--- 15340566 +>>15337108 +Except Marx percieved class as larger entities meaning poorfag trump support would be opposed to wealthier purple hair lady and bourgeois man alike. Just look at what Lenin did and advocated. +--- 15340920 +>I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline. + +Prof. Phil Jones +Climatic Research Unit +--- 15340944 +>>15340476 +>errry single time +No, not "erry single time". You just choose to plug your ears and go "la la la conspiracy muh feels doe" +--- 15340949 +>>15340920 +>One particular email relates to the preparation of a figure for the WMO Statement on the Status of the Global Climate in 1999. This email referred to a “trick” of adding recent instrumental data to the end of temperature reconstructions that were based on proxy data. The requirement for the WMO Statement was for up-to-date evidence showing how temperatures may have changed over the last 1000 years. To produce temperature series that were completely up-to-date (i.e. through to 1999) it was necessary to combine the temperature reconstructions with the instrumental record, because the temperature reconstructions from proxy data ended many years earlier whereas the instrumental record is updated every month. The use of the word “trick” was not intended to imply any deception. +>Phil Jones comments further: “One of the three temperature reconstructions was based entirely on a particular set of tree-ring data that shows a strong correlation with temperature from the 19th century through to the mid-20th century, but does not show a realistic trend of temperature after 1960. This is well known and is called the ‘decline’ or ‘divergence’. The use of the term ‘hiding the decline’ was in an email written in haste. CRU has not sought to hide the decline. Indeed, CRU has published a number of articles that both illustrate, and discuss the implications of, this recent tree-ring decline, including the article that is listed in the legend of the WMO Statement figure. It is because of this trend in these tree-ring data that we know does not represent temperature change that I only show this series up to 1960 in the WMO Statement.” +--- 15340958 +>>15340949 +>One of the three temperature reconstructions was based entirely on a particular set of tree-ring data that shows a strong correlation with temperature from the 19th century through to the mid-20th century, but does not show a realistic trend of temperature after 1960. +lmaoooo + +>the tree ring data that appears to show warming is good and reliable data +>the tree ring data that doesn't appear to show warming is bad and unreliable data, so we must replace this data with a different set of data +that's how science works chud, you splice together different sets of data collected under different circumstances from different source with different methods to make something that fits your preconceived idea +--- 15341063 +>>15337076 (OP) +It was cooling up to that point. +Now it's heating up very rapidly. + +Franz Josef Glacier is an amazing Glacier and I'm staggered at how fast it has receded since I was there. +--- 15341074 +>>15337547 +/thread +--- 15341106 +>>15340371 +They have equivalent resolutions what the fuck are you smoking? +--- 15341112 +>>15341106 +The answer for what science denialists are smoking is always "their own farts". +--- 15341251 +https://youtu.be/v2cRG7aaMD0 [Embed] +--- 15341371 +>>15337085 +>after adjustment +Is this how the "hockey stick" was engineered? +--- 15341395 +>>15341371 +>All data adjustments are dishonest cuz conspiracy +I don't suppose bothering to learn or look up any of the relevant papers and science involved is on the table for you? +--- 15341406 +>>15341395 +Tried looking up anything even vaguely controversial lately? Google has become increasingly useless the last few years but it is truly useless on anything relating to climate, gender, Trump, etc. +Yes, I know 4ch is not the most reliable site, but the sad reality is, few places are anymore. +--- 15341537 +>>15341406 +>Tried looking up anything even vaguely controversial lately? +Yes. This isn't one of them. This is not controversial nor is it hard to find. These changes were, largely, the result of accounting for urban heat island effects. OP and OP's retarded article avoid mentioning the obvious because they're not honest. As per usual. +https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2012JD018509 + +This took me all of five minutes to find. Probably because, unlike denialists, I am not completely clueless. Minimum temperatures for earlier reports were not adequately adjusted for urban heat island effects contemporary to their era, and unsurprisingly this results in erroneously reporting (as in 1999) higher minimum temperatures and an overall more similar appearance of US temperature. + +You'll also get denialists as usual going "muh conspiracy", which doesn't work even a little as without that adjustment it matches no other changes to global averages due to such errors. As per usual one has to allege global mass conspiracy of millions of related professionals in order to believe this is anything more than more science denying lies. The only confusing part in google searching may be some weird era of similar internet retards claiming the whole of the warming effect is due to uncorrected heat-islands, which is easily seen to not be the case and that myth mostly died out. +--- 15341565 +>>15341537 +>>15341406 +In future if you genuinely are having difficulty finding something you can always look up the publication resource for some given set of data to find out the real reason. EVEN IF it WERE TRUE that something fishy is going on, in every single case you will find the work these idiots try to do (if any) never comes close or is relevant to discovering it. +>Yes, I know 4ch is not the most reliable site, but the sad reality is, few places are anymore. +Any time you see a boomer meme that is a clear sign they're full of shit. Honest people try to cite their sources, and give justification for why something is done or isn't. Dishonest people or lazy people just immediately go "muh conspiracy" and never, ever, properly cite their sources. Even when you find someone who is doing so, odds are they're very carefully cherrypicking from the available data or only posting what confirms their bias. Hence, again, the very low amount of, or entirely irrelevant, work done supposedly evidencing their narratives. + +So just from a single link alone explaining the actual reason for temperature adjustment, the whole case OP's link makes falls apart. It falls apart for far more reasons than that, such as its blatant misrepresentation of the multitude of DIFFERENT lines of evidence making it possible to reconstruct local regional temperature over time where direct data is poor or unavailable. Guess what the response to that is? +>Muh conspiracy +Never any real work, never any serious work, never any competent work, evidencing such a narrative. So yeah maybe don't be gullible enough to fall for boomer memes. +--- 15341631 +>>15341565 +>Honest people try to cite their sources, and give justification for why something is done or isn't. +source? +--- 15341638 +>>15341631 +>and give justification +--- 15343088 +>I think that trying to adopt a timeframe of 2K, rather than the usual 1K, addresses a good earlier point that Peck made w/ regard to the memo, that it would be nice to try to "contain" the putative "MWP", even if we don't yet have a hemispheric mean reconstruction available that far back + +Michael E. Mann +--- 15343112 +>>15343088 +>Is it that I don't understand it? +>No, that's impossible. It's clearly malicious conspiracy. +--- 15343134 +>>15343088 +>he's still going on about Mann +It's been 20 years and his results have been replicated multiple times +The MWP has been known to be a regional event verified by regional proxies. +--- 15343146 +>So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC, then this would be significant for the global mean -- but we'd still have to explain the land blip. I've chosen 0.15 here deliberately. + +Tom Wigley +--- 15343148 +>>15343134 +No you don't get it inference and judgments given limited data are ALWAYS conspiracy and malicious when they don't affirm my bias!! + +What do you mean some assumptions are more reasonable than others given prior data? I don't know what induction is so it's clearly evil +--- 15343163 +>>15343146 +>>So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC, then this would be significant for the global mean -- but we'd still have to explain the land blip. I've chosen 0.15 here deliberately. +>>15343112 +>>Is it that I don't understand it? +>>No, that's impossible. It's clearly malicious conspiracy. +>>Phil, Here are some speculations on correcting SSTs to partly explain the 1940s warming blip. If you look at the attached plot you will see that the land also shows the 1940s blip (as I'm sure you know). So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC, then this would be significant for the global mean -- but we'd still have to explain the land blip. I've chosen 0.15 here deliberately. This still leaves an ocean blip, and i think one needs to have some form of ocean blip to explain the land blip (via either some common forcing, or ocean forcing land, or vice versa, or all of these). When you look at other blips, the land blips are 1.5 to 2 times (roughly) the ocean blips -- higher sensitivity plus thermal inertia effects. My 0.15 adjustment leaves things consistent with this, so you can see where I am coming from. Removing ENSO does not affect this. It would be good to remove at least part of the 1940s blip, but we are still left with "why the blip". +>I don't understand discussions of data normalization or the importance of identifying inconsistencies therefore malice +--- 15343186 +>If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than send to anyone. + +Phil Jones +--- 15343216 +>>15343186 +>Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden. I’ve discussed this with the main funder (US Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data +Gee, wonder why someone would not want to release their own work and data against their will when their value is in having it in the first place. Not that I think such people should have their value based on that, but proprietary data exists everywhere. +>All data people don't want to release is conspiracy +You're so pathetic this is effortless. +--- 15343234 +>I tried to imply in my e-mail, but will now say it directly, that although a direct carbon dioxide effect is still the best candidate to explain this effect, it is far from proven. + +Malcolm Hughes +--- 15343248 +>>15343234 +>Doesn't know science doesn't prove things +>people have reasonable doubts as to the independent strength of causation +>clearly this means it's all made up +Why the fuck do you /x/tards who hate science even come here? +--- 15343252 +>but honestly know fuck-all about what +the >100 year variability was like with any certainty (i.e. we know with certainty that we know fuck-all). + +Edward Cook +--- 15343268 +>>15343234 +All you can do is cherrypick and lie. +>The difference between the Campito Mountain record and, for example, the one from the Polar Urals that you mention, is that there is no meaningful correlation between the Campito record and local temperature, whereas there is a strong correlation in the Polar Urals case. I give references to the work reporting this phenomenon at the end of this message, but I'm afraid I'm missing the references to the technical comments that are being responded to in the last two. If you examine my Fig 1 closely you will see that the Campito record and Keith's reconstruction from wood density are extraordinarily similar until 1850. After that they differ not only in the lack of long-term trend in Keith's record, but in every other respect - the decadal-scale correlation breaks down. I tried to imply in my e-mail, but will now say it directly, that although a direct carbon dioxide effect is still the best candidate to explain this effect, it is far from proven. In any case, the relevant point is that there is no meaningful correlation with local temperature. Not all high-elevation tree-ring records from the West that might reflect temperature show this upward trend. It is only clear in the driest parts (western) of the region (the Great Basin), above about 3150 meters elevation, in trees old enough (>~800 years) to have lost most of their bark - 'stripbark' trees. As luck would have it, these are precisely the trees that give the chance to build temperature records for most of the Holocene. I am confident that, before AD1850, they do contain a record of decadal-scale growth season temperature variability. I am equally confident that, after that date, they are recording something else. I'm split between Harvard Forest and UMASS these days, and my copy of your paper is not with me today. I'd be interested to know what the name of the site for the LaMarche central Colorado record was. +--- 15343281 +>>15343252 +In 2003 Mr. Cook wrote concerning a paper, +>After the meeting in Norway, where I presented the Esper stuff as described in the extended abstract I sent you, and hearing Bradley's follow-up talk on how everybody but him has fucked up in reconstructing past NH temperatures over the past 1000 years (this is a bit of an overstatement on my part I must admit, but his air of papal infallibility is really quite nauseating at times), I have come up with an idea that I want you to be involved in. Consider the tentative title: +>"Northern Hemisphere Temperatures Over The Past Millennium: Where Are The Greatest Uncertainties?" +Gee, who knew people in 2003 were still trying to find more and better answers to as yet unsolved or erroneously solved questions. Gee, who knew they'd proceed to solve them and in the way you don't like. + +Unlucky for you, I have these papers. You seem to only copy paste the cherrypicking trolls did to embarrass you idiots. +--- 15343293 +>I was very disturbed by your recent letter, and your attempt to get others to endorse it. Not only do I disagree with the content of this letter, but I also believe that you have severely distorted the IPCC "view" when you say that "the latest IPCC assessment makes a convincing economic case for immediate control of emissions." In contrast to the one-sided opinion expressed in your letter, IPCC WGIII SAR and TP3 review the literature and the issues in a balanced way presenting arguments in support of both "immediate control" and the spectrum of more cost-effective options. It is not IPCC's role to make "convincing cases" for any particular policy option; nor does it. However, most IPCC readers would draw the conclusion that the balance of economic evidence favors the emissions trajectories given in the WRE paper. This is contrary to your statement. + +Tom Wigley +--- 15343305 +Note how the denier is talking about out of context quotes and not engaging with evidence +--- 15343309 +>>15343305 +What else is new lol +--- 15343311 +>Keith didn't mention in his Science piece but both of us think that you're on very dodgy ground with this long-term decline in temperatures on the 1000 year timescale. What the real world has done over the last 6000 years and what it ought to have done given our understandding of Milankovic forcing are two very different things. + +Phil Jones +--- 15343321 +>>15343293 +...And? +Which is it? Wigley is being honest and the scientists are clearly as shown allowed dissent, and are fighting for more balanced reporting to not distort what they think they know, or they're dishonest and trying to hide their lies? You don't get it both ways. +>>15343311 +...And? +>>15343305 +>Note how the denier is talking about out of context quotes and not engaging with evidence +Engaging with the evidence to repeatedly demonstrate you lot lying is somehow "not engaging with evidence". lol +--- 15343347 +>I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards 'apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data' but in reality the situation is not quite so simple. + +Keith Briffa +--- 15343361 +>>15343347 +And? Was it quite so simple in 2003? Is it far more certain and simple now? Now you're just reduced to contradicting yourself from earlier, and presenting the scientists as being honest about the limitations. Yet entirely dishonest in supposing that is true then as now with no change. +>engage with the evidence +>N-NOOO NOT THAT WAY basedjack.jpg +--- 15343381 +the environmental movement that started with the 1960s hippies has always been a disconnected from reality fashion statement for wealthy & upper middle class urbanites who have nothing else to offer to justify their existence and who feel some level of guilt over their unearned position in society. why can't rich kids just be happy passing the time playing tennis & croquet like they did in the old days? if they would go back to being christians then they could just thank god for being born rich once a week on sunday and live the rest of their lives carefree. +--- 15343387 +>"Wang had a co-worker in Britain. In Britain, the Freedom of Information Act requires that data from publicly-funded research be made available. I was able to get the data by requiring Wang’s co-worker to release it, under British law. It was only then that I was able to confirm that Wang had committed fraud." + +Tom Wigley +--- 15343491 +>>15337076 (OP) +Is this really the new shill narrative? Its basically like saying, "yeah, the global temperature is climbing faster than at any point in Earth's history, but maybe its climbing slightly slower than we thought" while not understanding why adjustments were made and ignoring that America's climate is not the global climate. +--- 15343495 +>I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow - even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is ! + +Phil Jones +--- 15343514 +>>15343491 +Definitely not "new". The trolls/ideologues pushing it have been called and corrected on it repeatedly. As usual, they're immune to accepting correction and can only do more cherrypicked lying. Your usual flat earther types. +--- 15343519 +>>15343491 +>the global temperature is climbing faster than at any point in Earth's history +it isn't, the weather is the same now as it was in the 1990s +--- 15343523 +>>15343519 +>it isn't, the weather is the same now as it was in the 1990s +Source: your ass. +--- 15343526 +>>15343514 +The last one I remember is "CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas" which was really absurd because you can do cheap experiments in your home to prove that it is. +--- 15343532 +>>15343526 +Oh no they still push that BS too. Like all dishonest types they'll pick and choose whichever lie is convenient in the moment with no ability to admit the contradictions involved. It's less about truth and exclusively about feeling special and avoiding the horrible realization they're not. +--- 15343535 +>>15343519 +Nonsense, Zoomer. Anyone whose been alive since then can see the changes to the local and global weather patterns. +--- 15343544 +>If FOIA does ever get used by anyone, there is also IPR to consider as well. Data is covered by all the agreements we sign with people, so I will be hiding behind them. + +Phil Jones +--- 15343549 +>>15343532 +>It's less about truth and exclusively about feeling special and avoiding the horrible realization they're not. +Maybe, but I'm not sure how they can compartmentalize all the evidence they're presented with. Dunning-Kruger effect might explain part of it. +--- 15343559 +>>15343549 +My explanation is exactly how/why they compartmentalize like that. The worst offenders would definitely involve clinical narcissism I'm pretty sure, given the level of manipulation and delusion required to maintain that degree of inconsistency. That is very different from people who just don't get it at all, because in those cases they're just unable to compartmentalize or deal with the conflicts except to fall back on their assumptions or faith in a more honest way. + +A good comparison might be dishonest people like Kent Hovind versus your average young earth creationist who is just going to admit they can't explain contradictions but fall back on their faith instead. One is a narcissist (kent), the other is just stuck. +--- 15343561 +>>15339991 +>global +Using data from concrete cities that experience the heat island effect is not a good snapshot of reality +--- 15343562 +>PS I'm getting hassled by a couple of people to release the CRU station temperature data. Don't any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information Act ! + +Phil Jones +--- 15343575 +>>15343561 +Rural measuring stations show the same trend. +--- 15343602 +>>15343559 +I don't think its that simple. Often times they have to invent global conspiracies to justify why they're rejecting evidence. That's beyond wanting to feel special, its a symptom of major mental illness. I feel like most of these people know they're wrong and keep doing it because they're trolling or benefit in some way (most likely financially) from climate change denial. +--- 15343619 +>The scientific community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if I said the world had cooled from 1998. OK it has but it is only 7 years of data and it isn't statistically significant. + +Phil Jones +--- 15343622 +>>15343602 +Where it would be genuine schizophrenia you'd have other symptoms and other things going on. Of course such conspiracies absolutely do attract more schizophrenics than normal, by far, but they're not actually the majority or even the most significant minority. +--- 15343659 +>>15343622 +That why it seems willful to me. Maybe they are just in a state of hardcore denial, but I think its more that they don't care either because they're trolling or benefit from inaction. +--- 15343664 +>As you know, I'm not political. If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. + +Phil Jones +--- 15343695 +>>15343659 +>That why it seems willful to me +I think in cases where it seems willful that is when you are definitely dealing with narcissism. Excepting the second example outlined where it's some matter of "contingent necessity" and rejecting the necessary conclusion would require that person rebuild their idea of the world ground-up. +... Granted that's also why narcissism is pretty fucking incurable too but I've met people who've changed their minds ground-up and never heard of a narcissist being successfully cured. No clue if that's possible. +--- 15343709 +>>15343519 +Go back even further. +The climate of California is the same as it was in the 1850s when the Donner party got stuck in a terrible snowstorm. +Just like the "crazy" snowstorms of 2022-2023. +--- 15344146 +>>15343709 +The "climate scientists" also want to ignore all previous data of human record, for example all the years where historians documented rivers that dried up, extreme rainfall, floods, hurricanes, freezing winters that lasted into spring and summer and caused famines, etc. +They don't care about anything as long as the "warning trend" is unique, even though we had incredibly warm periods in the recent past that are much warmer than what we're experiencing today. The 1930s were warmed than any recent decade, but "climate scientists" would have you believe otherwise. + +Basically, all "climate science" is completely worthless because we still don't understand how Ice Ages form (or what could prevent them from forming). An Ice Age (which we're still in, btw) is much more detrimental to humanity than any warming. +At the end of previous Ice Ages, palm trees and tropical plants extended all the way to the poles, and the biodiversity of the planet increase a ton as the planet was warmer, and thus more food was produced. +Any politician crying about "global warming" is a scam artist; any climate scientist doing the same is only interested in keeping their funding. They don't give a shit about anyone as long as it continues to enrich themselves. +--- 15344220 +>>15343561 +What was that? +--- 15344224 +>Just updated my global temperature trend graphic for a public talk and noted that the level has really been quite stable since 2000 or so and 2008 doesn't look too hot. Anticipating the sceptics latching on to this soon, if they haven't done already +>Be awkward if we went through a early 1940s type swing! + +Mick Kelly +--- 15344227 +>>15344146 +They do, the thing is these are relevant to the regions in question. Not global climate +--- 15344238 +>>15344224 +>If I put the trend here it’s not warming +Really? This shit again? +--- 15344241 +>I hope you're not right about the lack of warming lasting till about 2020. I'd rather hoped to see the earlier Met Office press release with Doug's paper that said something like - half the years to 2014 would exceed the warmest year currently on record, 1998! + +Phil Jones +--- 15344253 +>>15344220 +nice science denialism /b/ro +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_heat_island +notice on the graph that its only the low temperatures which show a warming trend +--- 15344259 +>>15344253 +Yeah it’s a well known effect that’s accounted for in temperature records. Claiming that rapid warming is all due to island heating is retarded. +--- 15344290 +>>15344253 +>he thinks daily high temperatures in the US somehow prove rural stations don't report nearly identical warming trends as stations in cities despite having the graph presented to him +>he thinks weather is climate +>he thinks the US is the world +Did our educational system fail you, or did you fail the system? +--- 15344379 +>The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't. + +Kevin Trenberth +--- 15344806 +>>15344146 +It's really funny to me that Central European newspapers were printing articles about how riverbeds showing drought marker stones from the middle ages "proved an unprecedented climate change" was happening. Yeah seeing that it has happened before multiple times proves it hasn't happened before. This is the absolute intelligence level of climate cultists. +--- 15344876 +>>15344806 +>A thing with multiple causes before humans were dumping gas into the atmosphere had the same result as before +>Therefore the result occurring now isn't related to humans dumping gasses into the atmosphere +Stellar logic. P therefore Q, Q therefore P. Wait a minute, that's retarded. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent +--- 15344880 +>>15344876 +>wikipedia +What other references do you got? CNN or NPR? +--- 15344883 +>>15344880 +>genetic fallacy +Well you're on a roll how many in a row you gonna do? +--- 15344930 +>>15344806 +You'll never get an honest exchange out of climate alarmists. By default they lie, deceive and manipulate. They are so far entrenched in their own lies that the only thing that matters is keeping the lie going so their careers aren't affected. Its never been about the truth. +--- 15344938 +>>15344930 +I bet you're also religious you nazi fuck. +--- 15345017 +>>15343535 +Nonsense, millennial faggot. The earth predates 1980. Just because you grew up during a cold period doesn't mean global warming is real. Talk to your grandparents. +--- 15345027 +>>15344930 +--- 15345037 +>>15344938 +i can tell that you're experiencing emotional distress by your us of profanity. why don't you take a break from the board to calm down so you can discuss science with us on a strictly rational basis when you return? +--- 15345076 +>>15344259 +If it is "accounted for" then why do people keep finding hundreds of stations that report temperatures far higher than other nearby stations, and then discover they are placed in areas that maximize the distortion from the urban heat island effect? +--- 15345629 +>>15345076 +Because global warming is fraud perpetrated by political activists posing as scientists +--- 15345665 +>>15340006 +Why do they call it medieval warm period if there is no noticable increase in warmth shown in your graph? +--- 15345708 +>>15345665 +Because of local weather events in Europe during that time +--- 15345709 +>>15345076 +See +>>15344220 +--- 15345710 +>>15345017 +>imagine being this retarded +They say it used to snow in the winter and they miss that. +--- 15345716 +>>15345710 +Now actually go talk to them. My grandparents didn't see a white Christmas until they were 12/14 My parents never had a year without a white Christmas until the 90s. Just because weather cycles are longer than your age doesn't mean they don't exist. +>>15345709 +That does not answer my question. +--- 15345743 +>>15345076 +It's not only that, most of these stations/censors are made from metal, which heat up under direct sunlight. +Imagine if all the temperature readings were done in the shade, or in areas with more wind to carry away the excess heat from the electronic systems. +The entire "industry" (more like a con) is a scam to increase their grants at the expense of taxpayers. +If they really cared about science, they would employ way more volunteers who could submit temperature readings as a hobbyist thing, and have guidelines as to how people could help out (don't place censors in direct sunlight, have some shade but not full shade, etc.) +But, they want all the money for themselves, so they have no interest in getting help from volunteers. +When is the last time you saw one of these climate activists outside picking up trash on the side of the road? How often do you see climate activists walking everywhere instead of driving in a car? +--- 15345756 +>>15345716 +You are pulling so much shit out of your ass that your hand must be completely brown at this point +--- 15345760 +>>15345716 +>That does not answer my question. +That graph shows that the stations in the middle of fields closely agree with those "in areas that maximize the distortion from the urban heat island effect". You should probably be ashamed that you couldn't interpret that graph. +--- 15345773 +>>15345760 +No it doesn't, that is cherry picked and "adjusted" data. The entire point of the "adjusting" process is to make the data fit the narrative. Look at the raw data from the stations. +--- 15345791 +>>15345773 +The burden of proof is on you, my guy. Post the data instead of making baseless assertions. +--- 15345825 +>>15345791 +The data is the hadcrut4 data set, numbnuts. + +In probably the worst systematic error, the past is rewritten in an attempt to correct for site moves. While some corrections are necessary, these adjustments are brutally sweeping. Thermometers do need to move, but corrections don’t have to treat old sites as if they were always surrounded by concrete and bricks. + +New original sites are usually placed in good open sites. As the site “ages” buildings and roads appear nearby, and sometimes air conditioners, all artificially warming the site. So a replacement thermometer is opened in an open location nearby. Usually each separate national meteorology centre compares both sites for a while and figures out the temperature difference between them. Then they adjust the readings from the old locations down to match the new ones. The problem is that the algorithms also slice right back through the decades cooling all the older original readings – even readings that were probably taken when the site was just a paddock. In this way the historic past is rewritten to be colder than it really was, making recent warming look faster than it really was. Thousands of men and women trudged through snow, rain and mud to take temperatures that a computer “corrected” a century later. + +We’ve seen the effect of site moves in Australia in Canberra, Bourke, Melbourne and Sydney. After being hammered in the Australian press (thanks to Graham Lloyd), the BOM finally named a “site move” as the major reason that a cooling trend had been adjusted to a warming one. In Australia adjustments to data increase the trend by as much as 40%. +--- 15345829 +>>15345791 +>>15345825 + +In theory, a thermometer in a paddock in 1860 should be comparable to a thermometer in a paddock in 1980. But the experts deem the older one must be reading too high because someone may have built a concrete tarmac next to it forty or eighty years later. This systematic error, just by itself, creates a warming trend from nothing, step-change by step-change. + +Worse, the adjustments are cumulative. The oldest data may be reduced with every step correction for site moves. Ken Stewart found some adjustments to old historic data in Australia wipe as much as 2C off the earliest temperatures. We’ve only had “theoretically” 0.9C of warming this century. +--- 15345865 +>>15345825 +>>15345829 +I really don't care about you blog post and there's nothing wrong with the hadcrut4 dataset. Unless you can demonstrate your claim by showing these discrepancies in the data you are just speaking out of your ass. I'll wait for you to post that study that cherry picks fewer than 500 stations. +--- 15345875 +>>15345865 +>oy vey only 1/4 of the stations have obviously incorrect or falsified data the just co-incidentally is responsible for over half of the supposed warming we claim has occurred! +>this clearly means it is very reliable and we should not correct the data at all, since it would then show that our climate models were built to match incorrect temperature records, and so are objectively wrong! +--- 15345907 +>>15345875 +So you have no argument except that cherry picked study written up by a man who receives funding from people who want to discredit climate science. Color me surprised. +--- 15345912 +>>15345907 +So you have no argument except "I don't like facts they cause me cognitive dissonance". +--- 15345957 +>>15345912 +Lol, the irony. Next time don't bring up a study written by a known shill that has been refuted countless times. It just makes you look ignorant and stupid. +--- 15345998 +>But Keith does seem to have got himself into a mess. +>how does Keith explain the McIntyre plot that compares Yamal-12 with Yamal-all? And how does he explain the apparent "selection" of the less well-replicated chronology rather that the later (better replicated) chronology? +>I think Keith needs to be very, very careful in how he handles this. + +Tom Wigley +--- 15346016 +>>15345957 +>don't bring up facts that show I am wrong because it hurts my feelings and I have no way to defend my pet scam that I am emotionally invested in +--- 15346028 +>>15346016 +Cope harder +--- 15346044 +>>15346028 +He says, while presenting absolutely nothing to support his lie. +--- 15346047 +>There's other criticisms that have come up by McIntyre's group: +>(1) We cherry-picked the tree-ring series in Eurasia. Apparently this is old ground, but do we need to address why we chose the Yamal record over the Polar Urals? + +Darrell Kaufman +--- 15346052 +>>15346044 +See +>>15344220 + +Now its your turn. +--- 15346056 +>The Korttajarvi record was oriented in the reconstruction in the way that McIntyre said. I took a look at the original reference - the temperature proxy we looked at is x-ray density, which the author interprets to be inversely related to temperature. We had higher values as warmer in the reconstruction, so it looks to me like we got it wrong + +Nick McKay +--- 15346093 +>>15346052 +Yes, that's the manipulated data in question. Now would you like to present an argument for why that manipulation is not a problem? +--- 15346099 +>You are the co-worker, so you must have done something like provide Keenan with the DOE report that shows that there are no station records for 49 of the 84 stations. +>The next puzzle is why Wei-Chyung didn't make the hard copy information available. Either it does not exist, or he thought it was too much trouble to access and copy. My guess is that it does not exist +>It also seems to me that the University at Albany has screwed up. To accept a complaint from Keenan and not refer directly to the complaint and the complainant in its report really is asking for trouble. +>I *am* concerned because all this happened under my watch as Director of CRU and, although this is unlikely, the buck eventually should stop with me. + +Tom Wigley +--- 15346109 +>>15337129 +Go back to preddit you ignorant moron. This place is for educated minds, not cultists trash like you. +--- 15346114 +>>15346093 +The burden of proof is on you. Its not sufficient to merely claim the data is manipulated. +--- 15346120 +>If the RMS is going to require authors to make ALL data available - raw data PLUS results from all intermediate calculations - I will not submit any further papers to RMS journals. + +Ben Santer +--- 15346122 +>I'm having a dispute with the new editor of Weather. I've complained about him to the RMS Chief Exec. If I don't get him to back down, I won't be sending any more papers to any RMS journals and I'll be resigning from the RMS. + +Phil Jones +--- 15346139 +>>15345756 +You climate woke cultist are all the same, no arguments at all, only lies and insults come from you. Since you don't have any evidence to back your absurd claims you use the government to persecute anybody who shows and speaks the truth. +--- 15346143 +>>15346139 +>you don't have any evidence +Lol, anecdotes aren't scientific evidence, retard. +--- 15346146 +>>15346114 +The burden of proof has been met, they clearly tell you the data has been manipulated, you just don't bother to read the documentation accompanying the datasets you also don't bother to read. As long as magic space nigger says climate crisis, that's all that matters to you. +--- 15346147 +>>15346143 +More lies and insults, that is everything you have to offer. You lost this argument. +--- 15346153 +>>15346147 +If you actually think anecdotes are scientific evidence then its clear you've never been involved in academia +--- 15346154 +>The issue of why we dont show the proxy data for the last few decades ( they dont show continued warming) but assume that they are valid for early warm periods needs to be explained. + +Jonathan Overpeck +--- 15346196 +>>15346146 +The burden of proof has not been met. Again, its insufficient to just claim that its been manipulated. You haven't provided any evidence of your claims. +--- 15346202 +>>15346146 +You are arguing with a shill. Don't waste your time. +--- 15346206 +>>15346196 +In that case the burden of proof is on you to show the data exists. Just because someone claims it exists doesn't mean it does. That is insufficient. Why would you trust them to provide the data, but not trust them to tell you how they "adjust" the data? +--- 15346212 +>It looked to me like she had pretty well killed the hockey stick in public forum +>Because as far as I can tell the hockey stick really was a tree-ring record, regardless of how it was labelled as multiproxy, this looks to me to be a really big deal. And, a big deal that may bite your chapter... + +Richard Alley +--- 15346234 +>>15346206 +You can squirm all you want, but the burden of proof is on you and its clear that you're unable or unwilling to satisfy it. To me that implies that you know your full of shit. +--- 15346237 +>>15340944 +>duuuuude compare this 100 year ocean level graph we acquired by looking at erosion and algae and shit with this hour timelapse of the tide coming in +>we're all going to be underwater within a year or two +--- 15346268 +>>15346234 +You can squirm all you want, but the burden of proof is on you and its clear that you're unable or unwilling to satisfy it. To me that implies that you know your full of shit. +--- 15346307 +>>15337084 +>>15337085 +It's funny that after all this bullshit, ad hominems, and thought-terminating cliches in this thread, no one can rebut this information on how the data from climate "scientists" was changed. +This BTFO the "hockey stick graph", and basically all other bullshit that climate scientists have released. +--- 15346319 +>>15346307 +>i'll just ignore the source explaining the reason for the adjustment to specific US data +>even though I also claim the heat island effect is what's causing warming +--- 15346327 +>>15345665 +In Europe at the time, yes it was warmer. The globe as a whole? No. It's a pretty simple concept +--- 15346346 +>>15346307 +Why do you ignore the post 2000 temperature increase and are crying over a quarter of a degree adjustment due to urban heating that you lot later use as an argument later? +--- 15346349 +>>15346307 +That's the problem. They think it was changed for a good reason, but it wasn't. It was changed to make "climate change" more real, even though the climate of the 1930s was warmer. +This is clear from all the climategate emails that were leaked, which the Fake News MSM promptly ignored or refused to cover, even though it completely outed the scam they were running behind the scenes. +It was a vast criminal conspiracy, and they all got away with it even they should've been convicted of falsifying data and lying to the government. +--- 15346354 +>>15346346 +I'm a different person. +The post-2000 data is now untrustworthy, because scientists were caught falsifying data and they wanted to claim that the earth was warming, even though the CO2 content of the atmosphere hasn't changed at all, and in some places is so low greenhouses actually have to pump in CO2 to increase plant growth (CO2 which comes from natural gas powered generators). +Also, the recent temperature increases are still not as much as the 1930s or the Medieval warm period. +Then climate scientists will talk about the "rate" of increasing, which is also false because ice core samples don't allow that level of granularity since they are thousands of years old. +It's all a huge grift perpetuated by climate scientists who want to keep their grant money, university departments, and cushy jobs. +These are people that should be working at Wendy's; instead, they're using falsified data to influence global politicians and authoritarians. +--- 15346358 +>>15345773 +Are you suggesting that the raw data doesn't also show warming? Because they do. Raw station data is readily available online. I wonder why you don't post it. +Also interesting that you focus on a specific region when it's a obvious different regions are warming at different rates +--- 15346365 +>>15346354 +>even though the CO2 content of the atmosphere hasn't changed at all +Are you legitimately retarded? +>Then climate scientists will talk about the "rate" of increasing, which is also false because ice core samples don't allow that level of granularity since they are thousands of years old. +They absolutely do have good enough resolution and accurately capture the CO2 concentration as measured by sensors in the ice core site. +If you don't know even the basic concepts about the topic maybe you should shut up. +--- 15346366 +>>15346354 +>Also, the recent temperature increases are still not as much as the 1930s or the Medieval warm period. +>The post-2000 data is now untrustworthy +Demonstrably false. This is a flat earth tier argument that because you can't physically measure it yourself then the data is a conspiracy +--- 15346370 +>>15346365 +>only 10,000 years +What a terrible sample size. +Here's 66,000,000 years of CO2 data. +As you can see, when there's an INCREASE in CO2, there's no ice at the poles (instead you'll find alligators and palm trees) and much more plant/animal growth that there is today. +I'd much rather live on a planet with 1.6% CO2 in the atmosphere compared to the 0.4% that exists today. +--- 15346381 +>>15346370 +>claims that CO2 isn't changing +>is proven wrong +>moving the goalposts and ignoring everything about resolution +>talking about the planet when it was under a completely different oceanic and continental configuration +>ignoring the fact that at the end of the recent ice ages, even at the fastest rate, a 100ppm increase of CO2 took ~2000 years and we've surpassed that in 100 years +You don't know even the basic concepts of this +--- 15346383 +>>15346370 +Also why are you comparing an ecosystem where the biosphere had grown and evolved in a steady state warm planet to rapid warming of an ecosystem where the biosphere has grown and evolved under a cooler steady state? +Absolutely pathetic +--- 15346400 +>>15346381 +>adding more data isn't "moving the goalposts" +Kek, this is fun. +I actually like responding to trolling, it forces us to sharpen our arguments and learn the material better. + +>>15346383 +That doesn't make any sense. The amount of CO2 on the planet doesn't change, it only changes form (from free-floating in the atmosphere, to locked up in fossil fuel deposits). +By releasing MORE CO2, we're helping to avoid the next Ice Age, which would kill billions of people. +If the planet warms back up to where there's no more Ice on the poles, humanity will enter into a new age of prosperity and food security. +--- 15346420 +>>15346400 +Don't squirm away. Answer the question. +>ice core samples don't allow that level of granularity since they are thousands of years old. +This is plain false and you ignored it. +>By releasing MORE CO2, we're helping to avoid the next Ice Age, which would kill billions of people. +If the planet warms back up to where there's no more Ice on the poles, humanity will enter into a new age of prosperity and food security. +Absolutely false. The Permian Triassic extinction was caused by massive CO2 increase due to flood basalt volcanism. This increase took millions of years and wiped out 1/3 of species. We have increased temperature by 1 degree in 100 years. +--- 15346427 +>>15346400 +>learn the material better +Yeah it's clear you don't even know the basics if you claim ice cores don't have good enough resolution. Pretty emparassing. +--- 15346431 +>>15346268 +Would you like to try again? +--- 15346460 +>>15340278 +The facts are true but the story is fake. + +>>15346400 +>I actually like responding to trolling, it forces us to sharpen our arguments and learn the material better. +>If I keep entertaining morons by arguing and learning about a psychosis. + +Never argue when you are never presented an argument. +global warming/climate change" is not an argument. It's an accurate description of a fantasy. + +>>15346420 + +>If the planet warms back up to where there's no more Ice on the poles, + +Tell me why Venus has the coldest north/south poles in the solar system besides pluto. + +>>15346427 +>b-but muh ice cores +Correlate the CO2 with temperature already you mentally ill, disingenuous scum. It's bad enough these green fags pollute the planet exponentially more by introducing other exotic materials besides petroleum based products, but you can't even prove what you intitally claimed by stating that + +>hurr co2 rises with tempurature! + +According to the graph...the exact fucking opposite could be the case because all you're doing is comparing numbers with other numbers. You aren't looking for the correlation. Maybe if you fags were actually "green" and self sufficient you would be lighting your own controlled fires occasionally and see that the CO2 comes after the heat of the flames. + +Self-sufficiency is beyond these people though because at the end of the day they're dependents who have to prop up a story to sell their useless junk tech that politicians are all invested in. They treat carbon like mutually assured destruction in order to tax citizens more while giving them less. Oldest trick in the book, just ask any religion and their beliefs regarding "first sin". +--- 15346475 +>>15346460 +>Correlate the CO2 with temperature already you mentally ill +hmm +>because all you're doing is comparing numbers with other numbers +It's actual a causal relationship since the gas properties of CO2 and its interactions with IR radiation are what causes the greenhouse effect. Now lets see you try and deny the measured properties of CO2. +--- 15346480 +>>15346460 +>Never argue when you are never presented an argument. +You mean ignore and never engage with observational data? Because that's what you're doing +--- 15346482 +>>15339638 +Did you seriously just link to Infowars + +You have to be the dumbest motherfucker on this entire website, do you eat shit for breakfast or what +--- 15346487 +>>15346475 +https://www.2degreesinstitute.org/ +>SCIENCE ADVISORS +all white males +>BOARD OF DIRECTORS +all white + +clearly this is some sort of racist bullshit organization and not even remotely diverse or trustworthy in any way, just a gang of white devils getting together to collude and lie +--- 15346488 +>>15346475 +>He does it again, he posts descriptions in graph form + +Wow, look at how much the CO2 rose due to the temperature! + +>It's actual a causal relationship since the gas properties of CO2 and its interactions with IR radiation are what causes the greenhouse effect + +It's obvious to the most casual observer that you're full of shit. Even a moron HVAC technician can properly explain how an insulator will never be the actual "cause" of an increase heat and how you'll still need to buy a boiler so you don't freeze in the winter believing blankets will save you. + +>>15346480 +>You mean ignore and never engage with observational data? +>The sky is blue! +>The grass is green +>I can describe an observation but never explain to you why or how that happens + +Cool story bro. Now go pay your taxes so that the rich people can get those EV subsidy discounts. +--- 15346496 +>>15346488 +>Wow, look at how much the CO2 rose due to the temperature! +>dude emissions aren't real even though their isotopic signatures show it +Great arguments going on here +>Even a moron HVAC technician can properly explain how an insulator will never be the actual "cause" of an increase heat +Because the greenhouse effect works by CO2 and other gasses re radiating solar and black body from the planet IR back to the planet. It's a pretty simple thing that's commonly taught in high school. +Y9ou are still not responding to your false claim that ice cores did not capture CO2 increase. +--- 15346497 +>>15346358 +>Are you suggesting that the raw data doesn't also show warming? +No, I am stating that it shows warming inconveniently happening way before CO2 levels rose substantially, and that the real data does not fit the models used to invent the climate crisis. Neat how you have to suddenly jump to completely different data now, why is that? Hadcrut4 is not good now? +--- 15346504 +>>15346497 +No, I am stating that it shows warming inconveniently happening way before CO2 levels rose substantially +That's blatantly false >>15346475 + and shows deep ignorance if you're comparing global CO2 to regional climate in the US. Then claim that all data is false because of conspiracies. +>Neat how you have to suddenly jump to completely different data now, why is that? Hadcrut4 is not good now? +What? All of the temperature products show agreement? What's your point? +--- 15346508 +>>15346496 +>dude emissions aren't real +Not what I said retard, try reading sometime + +>Because the greenhouse effect works by CO2 and other gasses re radiating solar and black body from the planet IR back to the planet. It's a pretty simple thing that's commonly taught in high school. +Wonderful dummy, that's why I mentioned Venus having the coldest north and south poles next to Pluto. Can you explain why that is? Is it because of all that atmosphere and the suns inability to cut through it? Just as is the case on our planet where despite getting 24 hours of fucking sun at times during the year is still a frozen wasteland? Why doesn't CO2 work its magic more where there's more sun? + +>Y9ou are still not responding to your false claim that ice cores did not capture CO2 increase. I'm not the original anon your responding to. The ice cores are completely irrelevant, you don't know the actual temperature it was because it's a fucking icecore sample you dipshit. There is still no actual correlation, all you know is the CO2 and today temperature. Which you then assume and fill in the blank for the past. As far as I'm concerned it went up because the temperature did, in fact there's more proof because literally anything that's combustible demonstrable shows that's the case. +--- 15346520 +>>15346504 +>hat's blatantly false >>15346475 +And yet you have to resort to fake data again. Why can't you support you claim using real data? +>if you're comparing global CO2 to regional climate in the US +We're not. But it is odd how that would be a problem, but using a single thermometer in Indonesia to represent the entire southern hemisphere is totally fine. +--- 15346543 +>>15346508 +>Wonderful dummy, that's why I mentioned Venus having the coldest north and south poles next to Pluto. +That's cool, but since it's not the Earth it's entirely irrelevant here. +>The ice cores are completely irrelevant, you don't know the actual temperature it was because it's a fucking icecore sample you dipshit. +Again completely demonstrably false. Proxy data confirms it. Which you must believe in since you posted proxy data from the Cretaceous. +>>15346513 +>The greenhouse effect is real, CO2 plays a tiny, irrelevant role in it, no amount of changing CO2 levels will ever have a significant impact on global temperature, +Demonstrably false again. +>>15346520 +>Dude the data is fake because I say so even though the raw data shows the same warming temperature +>but using a single thermometer in Indonesia to represent the entire southern hemisphere is totally fine. +Why are you making shit up? +--- 15346546 +>>15346504 +>starts temp graph in little ice age in order to create false perception of warming trend +why do you post the same intentionally misleading data over and over again? +is it because you're incapable of making an honest argument? +>berkeley +world headquarters of insane political activists, just least trustworthy source of information anywhere +--- 15346551 +>>15346543 +>lets add a bunch of red to the recent end of the graph to make it look scary +you wouldn't need to engage in that type of dishonest manipulative behavior if you had any honest arguments to make. +--- 15346552 +>>15346513 +>S-stop +You wimp. You infant. I curse your weak father. + +>You are the entire reason anyone skeptical of climate hysteria is labelled as a moron. + +Because unlike them they buy into the scam of actually entertaining the nonsense. I don't argue with cults, religious nutcases and people who cannot prove their own claims. I laugh at them and point out how they're wrong. Go unfuck yourself and get back to me when you actually want to start an argument instead of entertaining the lunacy of politicians. + +>CO2 is not insulating, it is absorbing and radiating. + +Yes yes I know it's that dualism that some kosher light switch Jew made up about light magically traveling and being "absorbed and then remitted" (somehow). If only you could empirically demonstrate that then that too would be great. Aren't you forgetting that other stuff like "constructive/destructive interference" that would probably be a really good thing to know about since your dealing with light? Oh right no it's the water vapor a car farts we gotta focus on, apologies. + +>The greenhouse effect is real, CO2 plays a tiny, irrelevant role in it, no amount of changing CO2 levels will ever have a significant impact on global temperature, and a tiny increase in global temperature does not have any negative effects. +I think it's a lot easier to just laugh at them and call them wrong like they are, anon. Instead you invest all this time that in the end still justifies the straw grasping atomist and their incessant need to describe CO2 and climate change because it's the most popular psychosis. Afterall, just look at what they did after they described a virus that had a mear 98.2 percent chance survival rate. + +Give them an inch and they will falsely reify miles. +--- 15346554 +>>15346543 +>Demonstrably false again. +Yet you don't demonstrate it. +>Why are you making shit up? +Denying reality is not a productive strategy when you claim to be on the side of "science". Science is a process we use to understand reality. +--- 15346561 +>>15346552 +>oy vey stop posting anti-semitic hate facts while I am well poisoning!111 +--- 15346563 +>>15346546 +>going to this this again when you get proven wrong +Curious you ignore the multiple charts that include data prior to the LIA. +>data is wrong because of the physical location of the group even though it’s irrelevant to the discussion of GIS and HADCRUT +Truly an intellectual giant here +--- 15346567 +>>15346552 +>If only you could empirically demonstrate +>ignores empirical observational data demonstrating it +Lol +--- 15346581 +>>15346551 +>arguing about colors +Great stuff +--- 15346582 +>>15346543 +>>15346543 +>That's cool, but since it's not the Earth it's entirely irrelevant here. +True, I mean Venus is not a planet that shares our heat source with exponentially worse "Greenhouse gasses" that would be an ideal indicator as to how they function or anything. + +>Proxy data confirms it +No we cannot predict the past yet. We haven't synthesized wizard orbs yet. + +>Which you must believe in since you posted proxy data from the Cretaceous. +I didn't post shit. I'm not an asshole here trying to convince people thermometers are really just flux capacitors in disguise. + +>>15346561 +>anti-semitic hate facts +>wave particle dualism +It's a fact, not a hate fact. Do you hate it anon? + +>>15346567 +>Dude I measured a shadow, shadows are real and muh hekin data is valid! +You're not fooling anyone. Nobody with half a brain is gong to purchase an electric rollerskate joke of a vehicle. And no amount of ice you drill will ever confirm what temperature it was 2000 years ago because it's fucking ice in the present being "below 32 degrees depending on salt content". + + +How did people/posters like this convince the population with such garbage rhetoric? It's laughably absurd some of the shit that comes out of your mouths that you just believe simply because some book learned retard parroted it to you in college. That shit isn't cheap and they clearly failed you miserably, I would ask for my money back. +--- 15346591 +>"""adjusted""" data +>projections proven wrong time after time +>fraud at the ipcc +>manipulation of review journals +>all ice will be gone by 2000, and 2005, and 2013, and 2020, 2030, says """experts""" +its not science at all, just cultists spewing lies. +--- 15346605 +>>15346582 +>"Greenhouse gasses" that would be an ideal indicator as to how they function or anything +What's the Surface temperature at Venus? +Why do you try to make low temperatures in the upper part (140km) of the atmosphere as if it were surface temperatures? +Funny how you put absolute faith in in data from a probe in Venus but will refuse to accept basing light intensity measurements here on Earth. +Good stuff + +>we cannot predict the past yet. We haven't synthesized wizard orbs yet. +Fuck off with this flat earther solipsism bullshit +--- 15346638 +>>15346605 +>What's the Surface temperature at Venus? +Depends where you measure it + +>Why do you try to make low temperatures in the upper part (140km) of the atmosphere as if it were surface temperatures? +To show they're not what's causing the heating + +>Funny how you put absolute faith in in data from a probe in Venus but will refuse to accept basing light intensity measurements here on Earth. +Funny how you pointed that out and made everyone reading this doubt the validity of that too. + +>Fuck off with this flat earther solipsism bullshit +You have a series of weather stations that only started showing up in the 1800's and none of them correlates temperature and Carbon dioxide. None of them can predict what causes either to change. All they do is measure it. Just like all a polish psychic does is predict the past. +--- 15346655 +>>15346638 +fucking kek +--- 15346671 +>>15346638 +>Depends where you measure it +Yes that's why I'm calling you out on claiming that surface temperatures in Venus were colder than the Earth when it was actually the uppermost part of the atmosphere. +Funny how you pointed that out and made everyone reading this doubt the validity of that too. +I don't doubt the validity of the Venus data, I do know you're purposely lying about what that data shows. +>You have a series of weather stations that only started showing up in the 1800's and none of them correlates temperature and Carbon dioxide. +But that's wrong as shown time and time again by the observed greenhouse effect and increasing temperatures due to increasing CO2 +--- 15346675 +>>15340279 +My claim is that his data is incongruent with what we see happening in the world around us. Meanwhile data such as this +>>15340006 +IS congruent with what we see happening in the world around us. So it's very obvious that OPs data is false or has been misrepresented. + +Does that make sense or is it too hard for your brain to understand? +--- 15346679 +>>15346675 +>IS congruent with what we see happening in the world around us +No it isn't. It also is not congruent with accurate data like satellite data or argo. +--- 15346691 +>>15346460 +>Venus has the coldest north/south poles in the solar system besides Pluto. +This is false and a simple search proves what you did wrong. Venus' poles are NOT the coldest in the solar system besides Pluto. 140 km up in the atmosphere, literally we measure space on Earth as beginning at 100 km, the temperature of Venus' atmosphere as being -157 degrees C. That is not, in any way shape or form, the coldest poles in the solar system but a description of the atmosphere far above the surface. Meanwhile its surface temperature is still measured at 700 degrees +--- 15346692 +>>15346671 +>Yes that's why I'm calling you out on claiming that surface temperatures in Venus were colder than the Earth when it was actually the uppermost part of the atmosphere. +I was never specific saying "surface temp". Also really makes me think how greenhouse gasses are that cold despite the surface being so hot, indicating they are not the actually the source of the heat whatsoever. + +>Funny how you pointed that out and made everyone reading this doubt the validity of that too. +This is a climate secularized metaphysics thread. Doubt is your only liberation from the scam. + +>I don't doubt the validity of the Venus data, I do know you're purposely lying about what that data shows. +I'm not lying, I'm "accurately describing" using the data. See look how cold it is! Those temps prove that the greenhouse gas cause cooling, not heating. It was measured and set in stone using measures and numbers so how can you prove me wrong? + +>by the observed greenhouse effect and increasing temperatures +"The sun" anon. "The sun" is the heat source and cause of the increasing tempurature. The gas just insulates that. For comparison using a real life example, you are never going to get a hot water heaters heating elements to produce hotter water by simply insulating the sides, the insulation PREVENTS LOSS. Furthermore the water..the medium itself will prevent the heater from going past 212 degrees. + +>due to increasing CO2 +Prove it. You won't because it's literally impossible. A fire doesn't work in reverse, numbskull. +--- 15346696 +>>15346679 +>too hard for your brain to understand +Yup. Not surprising you don't get it. +--- 15346699 +>>15346679 +>lying yet again +--- 15346741 +>>15346679 +Hmm +--- 15346745 +>>15346699 +>>15346741 +>NOOOO THE DATA IS THE SAME +>shows graphs of the data being different +Hmmm.... +--- 15346769 +>>15337076 (OP) +I lived in Massachusetts as a kid and I recall one summer being 100+F sometime between 2002-2006. +--- 15346797 +>>15346745 +NTA. They are, effectively, showing the same thing. Pretending someone is claiming they are literally point-for-point identical, or that it is somehow relevant, is just lying as you've already been shown to be doing. +--- 15346920 +How else do they perpetuate a HOAX like climate change, unless they are able to erase all contrary evidence? Cmon man, 10% for the big guy! +--- 15347000 +>>15346797 +No, they are not. You can't claim X degrees of warming that is accelerating is supported by data showing both less warming, and the trend of warming declining. +--- 15347005 +>>15347000 +The warming trend is clearly faster on satellite data though +Are you having a stroke? +--- 15347022 +>>15347005 +>the opposite of reality is really true trust me +wut +--- 15347031 +>>15347005 +NTA. He isn't having a stroke but he is incredibly stupid. I figured out what he's trying to argue, even though it's fucking retarded. He doesn't realize your chart >>15346741 ends in 2010, and is thus trying to argue "look see the average from 2000-2010 means climate change don't real". +>>15347000 +>>15347022 +See image. While estimates vary slightly due to differences in methodology, the trends are nonetheless present. +>inb4 models don't perfectly agree therefore wrong +>inb4 models which do perfectly agree are conspiracy +You're like an anti-honesty machine. I can only pray you're trolling. +--- 15347064 +>>15347031 +>we can demand the total destruction of western society because we said there would be .6 degrees of warming +>but when there is actually only .3 degrees that means we were right and our fake data that says .6 degrees is really the same even though that is a 100% difference +>so let us totally destroy western civilization because our next 50 predictions will be right unlike the last 500! +--- 15347072 +>>15337085 +>>15337084 +>2019 has data on 2000 and 1999 does not have data on 2000 +wild man +--- 15347080 +>>15337084 +>>15337085 +Man, the data really show how hot the weather can be +--- 15347083 +Just a small reminder. No matter how you faggots protect our Earth, you, all your descendants and all humanity will die. It's not "probably", it's 100%. + +The Sun is already in the middle of its journey to death, half of its life gone. But we don't wait until it's dead, no. We die much earlier, even before white dwarf, even before fully bloomed red giant, even before it starts going giant. It gets hotter right now as I'm writing it. It will get so hot that all our oceans will evaporate, the atmosphere will be blown into space and Earth will look exactly like Mars. Oh by the way I'm pretty sure you know Mars looked like Earth previously. But uh oh what happened there? + +Anyways good luck fighting inevitable. +--- 15347089 +>>15347005 +there is no warming trend +--- 15347137 +>>15347064 + +>>15347031 +>>inb4 models don't perfectly agree therefore wrong +You are now here. +--- 15347163 +>>15347137 +>wrong isn't wrong because reasons +--- 15347233 +>>15347083 +Oh shit we'll all be dead in 4 billion years? Might as well just sleep in my own shit. +--- 15347306 +>>15347031 +Yeah but that graph you posted has UAH data which is Upper Atmosphere. The RSS is surface and it's virtually identical to the instrumental record. +--- 15347310 +>>15347306 +Meant to say UAH means University of Alabama Huntsville and I confused it with their work on the upper troposphere and stratosphere data +--- 15347499 +it snowed this morning, first time since 1973 there was snow on april 12 +--- 15347720 +>>15347233 +No retard in 4 billion years the sun is dead. +--- 15348331 +>>15347720 +oh only 1 billion years guess I better start living in a septic tank +--- 15348421 +>>15348331 +No retard in 1 billion years oceans will evaporate. You need to draw the line somewhere and stop pretending you can change something. +--- 15348635 +>>15347163 +>>15348574 +D'awww look at them flail around for want of argument +--- 15348701 +>>15348421 +Oh no in 10 years I'll be dead, better start injecting myself with hiv needles and eating human shit! +--- 15349027 +>>15343134 +>It's been 20 years and his results have been replicated multiple times +That is hardly impressive if all you do is to apply the "correction curves" from >>15337098. +--- 15350163 +>>15341537 +We literally saw a conspiracy of millions of scientists, doctors, nurses, politicians, and corporations about COVID-19 and the vaccines in this decade. If the pro-vaxxers were right about the lethality of SARS-CoV-2, China would have lost 50 million people in the past year. Clearly they were wrong, so "that would require a conspiracy of millions" is no longer a useful rebuttal. +--- 15351103 +>>15350163 +Absolutely, especially when it comes down to bullying, suppression of data, the risk of losing your job AND not being able to find another one. +"Climate change" is a con job, same as COVID-19, which was used to get Trump out of office and cause billions in economic damage. +Anytime the government is asking for more money, more power, or BOTH, be skeptical as fuck. +--- 15351503 +>>15347089 +this pmt +--- 15352047 +>>15347499 +> it snowed this morning, first time since 1973 there was snow on april 12 +Earth is cooling down for years now ,every idiot can see that if he ignores mainstream. The blatant liers knows it, that why they changed the wording. Hope they will all shot. +--- 15352169 +>>15352047 +That's one of the reasons why Globalists are making it so difficult for small farmers. They want more control, and they know that large farms/companies are more likely to be wealthier and make political contributions. +When I was growing up, there were THREE local farmers, all of whom had nice houses, and sent their kids to college. We would drive around every week during the summer and get fresh produce, pickles, tomato sauce, etc. +Today, there are NO small farms in my home town, as the government has made it defacto-illegal for them to operate profitably. +--- 15352236 +>>15337885 +>climatologist +is there anyone on this globe who would voluntarily call himself a "climatlogist"? +--- 15353589 +>>15337098 +that shows off the attempt at erasing the 1930s hot spell pretty clearly +>“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.” +--- 15354055 +Reminder that "climate change" failed to fit into the "Symbolic order", failed to end the world (or to even exist at all, for that matter) in the year 2000, and has since been released into an increasingly psychotic form; its prophets now trying to measure it into being. +--- 15354170 +>>15337076 (OP) +I don't know about america but in italy rivers are fucking drying up, and its fucking spring. It's not looking good and it definetly was never like this before. +--- 15354470 +>>15354055 +Meds +--- 15354555 +>>15354170 +lies +--- 15354683 +How can anyone still believe in this bullshit when every single independently verifiable prediction has turned out to be wrong? +It really is a cult. The date of their end of the world just keeps moving, but their certainty never goes down. +--- 15354693 +>>15346699 +>>15346741 +>After "temperature adjustment," of course. +Because thermometers are racist or something. +--- 15355317 +>>15354055 +This. Once the poles mysteriously failed to melt like Al Gore predicted, it's now become dogma that climate change actually means the Earth will get colder and hotter at the same time, everywhere. +--- 15355905 +>>15352236 +some people will do anything for money +--- 15355910 +>>15355905 +Couldn't they just become prostitutes? It's a more prestigious profession. +--- 15356716 +currently, my country is cutting funds to nuclear plants and taking them off what is considered green energy. +Until green activists embrace nuclear, I will assume any climate alarmist reports, articles, and charts are lies and shilling for oil and green lobbying. +--- 15356726 +>>15356716 +>climate alarmist reports, articles, and charts are lies and shilling for oil +Whenever they talk "muh climate change" oil prices go up and the rich people in government get richer. +Sure sounds like a scam. +--- 15357329 +>>15356716 +germany shut down it's last nuclear power plants yesterday +--- 15358225 +>>15339991 +>https://essd.copernicus.org/articles/12/3469/2020/essd-12-3469-2020.html +Actually I did. The math looks impressive but its built on bullshit and mirrors. Moving temperature measurement sites, assuming error bands for a wide of variety of changes. + +There are no error bands, no confidence levels that mean anything relative to the broad based assumptions made as input data. + +Given the repercussions of the data on the global world this has to be the biggest con since creation. Its not that the math appears bad, its just the assumptions are lousy. + +There are no confide +--- 15358287 +>>15345709 +Why do you pretend that a temperature station in a "rural" area is automatically immune to heat island effects and bad siting? +Rural areas also have buildings, AC units, power transformers, sun traps, etc that cause significant local changes in recorded temperatures. + +https://heartland.org/wp-content/uploads/documents/2022_Surface_Station_Report.pdf +--- 15358296 +>>15358287 +--- 15358310 +>>15358296 +--- 15359204 +>>15354055 +>>15355317 +More like : +>Extreme events will get worse! +- Actually, they haven't. Hurricanes aren't more powerful than Galveston in the 1920s. They cause more death/damage because there's more people on the planet. +- Furthermore, SE Asia Monsoons have gotten better and less extreme. +>It will lead to mass extinction and crop failure! +- Not really, animal extinction is due to people taking over more place, like burning the Rain Forest in Brazil to make room for cattle grazing. So that's a separate issue. +>Those 1 out of a century storms are happening every year! +- They're not. +>The winters will be colder and the summers will be hotter +- Nope, not happening +>Glaciers will melt +- Not happening on a global level, and there are many glaciers that are adding ice. https://www.severe-weather.eu/cryosphere/earth-youngest-glacier-healthy-cryosphere-losing-battle-global-warming-rrc/ + +The whole thing is a grift. Politicians/bureaucrats/climate scientists, all with a vested interest in perpetuating the scam. +Anyone who comes out again it is silenced and cancelled. +--- 15359253 +>>15358287 +>>15358296 +>>15358310 +Just one of the many techniques employed by "scientists" to create false data that supports the global warming narrative. +--- 15359303 +>>15340260 +--- 15359318 +>>15359303 +>No matter what the context, they will always come up with a lie that "proves" global warming is real. +>They have to lie, because global warming is fake. +--- 15359341 +>>15359204 +>there are many glaciers that are adding ice +yeah, adding ice to the oceans. + +I wonder what makes a person write about "many glaciers adding ice" and then post a source that clearly states +>most glaciers are receding +--- 15359358 +>>15347083 +Nobody gives a fuck if humanity will die in 4,000,000,000 years or even 4,000,000. People care about their own lifetimes and the lifetimes of their children and grandchildren you fuck. +--- 15359404 +>>15359358 +Well on that timescale there's literally nothing to worry about from climate change. +--- 15359410 +>>15359358 +You look angry because stupid. It's totally fine to care about yourself and your family, I do as well. However as an adult you should not feel like a kid in front of a class who expects a good mark and tell everyone what they want to hear. No need to hit your chest and shout how you are going to save the earth or other bullshit. Just tell the truth like I do and like you just did to me. You care about yourself, that's it. +Sorry for my English, I'm from Europe. +--- 15360231 +>>15358287 +>Heartland institute +Lol +Lmao +--- 15360242 +>>15358225 +>the math checks out but I’ll just assume it’s wrong +Good stuff +--- 15360265 +>>15360242 +He said it "looks" impressive. It's just an illusion meant to dupe people like you. diff --git a/sci/15338455.txt b/sci/15338455.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3d42bfb3a7b3486df69d6f1e8c4720204bc890dd --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15338455.txt @@ -0,0 +1,410 @@ +----- +--- 15338455 +Maskies on the wrong side of history yet again. + +>Lead author Dr Ben Patterson said: 'Our study found no evidence that mandatory masking of staff impacts the rate of hospital SARS-CoV-2 infection with the Omicron variant. +>The research will be presented later this month at the European Congress of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Diseases in Copenhagen, Denmark. +https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11946447/Masks-hospitals-no-difference-Covid-infection-rates-study-finds.html +--- 15338469 +>Daily Mail +>one study +>didn't test staff infection rates +>didn't check adherence to mask policy +>even the lead author says the study doesn't show masks are useless +>trusting hospital drones to use statistics appropriately +/sci/ +--- 15338472 +>>15338469 +wheres the studies which say otherwise? +--- 15338490 +>>15338472 +https://www.google.com/search?q=effectiveness+of+masks+in+preventing+transmission+of+airborne+diseases +--- 15338507 +>google +dis nigga serious? +--- 15339767 +all the people who wore those things are now too ashamed of themselves to discuss the topic +--- 15339769 +When are people going to accept that the empirical studies are for hacks? +--- 15339798 +>>15338638 +Mask reduces cough residue left on car interior. +--- 15339802 +>>15339798 +and where does that cough residue end up instead, i wonder +--- 15339807 +>>15338455 (OP) +>>>/pol/ is usually where non-serious or parody discussion goes, especially when politically related. You can also try /b/ or /x/. Don't feel bad, everyone was new once. Have a great day! +--- 15339811 +>>15339807 +cry about it +--- 15339815 +>>15339807 +https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps +--- 15339829 +>>15339807 +B...but they all said wearing the diaper was about health not politics. +--- 15341330 +lot of ppl had alternative reasons to want to wear a mask. +--- 15341362 +>>15338472 +40 peer reviewed studies that show masks are effective: +https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/do-face-masks-work-here-are-49-scientific-studies-that-explain-why-they-do/ +--- 15341367 +>>15341362 +>peer reviewed +not meaningful anymore, the system has been abused to death +--- 15341384 +>>15341362 +>twitter MD +Man...if I had the power I would strip rights to practice left and right with abandon. +--- 15341515 +>>15341362 +>peer reviewed +lol +--- 15341689 +>>15338455 (OP) +>Left-wing fascists on the wrong side of history yet again. +FIFY + +There is no way that leftists are always wrong by accident. It is ON PURPOSE! They are evil. +--- 15341693 +>>15341362 +>peer reviewed +>>15341362 +>studies +KEK! +--- 15341697 +>>15339807 +Based sci chad +--- 15342092 +>>15341362 +Is one of the 49 the CDC one where they phoned up people, asked if they'd had covid and asked if they thought they had worn their mask as much as they should have? lol. + +There was a lot of bad science floating around that started with a conclusion in mind instead of a hypothesis. + +>>15338469 +I grant all your points except for this one. +>even the lead author says the study doesn't show masks are useless +which may as well be +>the lead author would still like to get grant approvals in the future +At some point attempting to ward off bad science journalism from journalists who won't thoroughly understand your work nor take the time to interview you personally turns into a prayer towards the altar of The Science. +--- 15342605 +Explain decreasing belief in the global warming narrative amongst scientists +--- 15342685 +>>15342605 +Psyops by (((think tanks))) +--- 15342720 +>>15342605 +>Muh whataboutism +White male capitalist cis patriarchy falsifying records and muddying the waters trying to hold tooth and nail to its unearned privileges. This is a classic case of the horseshoe theory. Seriously, read a book. +--- 15342796 +>>15342720 +--- 15342850 +>>15342605 +Gradual loss of narrative control. +--- 15344077 +>get 1st vaccine +>feels sick for 3 days +>get 2nd vaccine +>feels sick for another 3 days +>got covid anyway +>feels sick for 2 weeks +>got covid again +>feels sick for 2 weeks +>probably have myocarditis now + +What was the point +--- 15344188 +>>15344077 +Signaling your loyalty to the regime. +--- 15344217 +>>15338469 +>even the lead author says the study doesn't show masks are useless +That's why it saw the light of day. +--- 15344242 +>>15338469 +>doesn't show masks are useless +Right. Theoretically the effect could still be nonzero but statistically unmeasurable. +--- 15344265 +Meanwhile in Switzerland, they're abandoning the jabs for almost everyone now. Even high risk people are no longer recommended to get the jab. Only with the authorization of a doctor can high risk Swiss access the jabs. For everyone else, they will simply be unavailable. The media in the US has given this little to only token attention. Meanwhile the CDC is pushing for six month old babies to get the jabs and the FDA is about to authorize a seventh dose of the drug. +--- 15344293 +>>15338455 (OP) +The study found that masks alone are insufficient, but work when paired with other health measures. +It's nothing surprising, especially given that COVID precautions are basically gone now. 2 of my grandparents died of COVID they caught in the hospital after going for unrelated reasons. +t. American +--- 15344345 +>>15344293 +>wearing a green sweater doesn't reduce traffic deaths but works when paired with airbags and a seatbelt +>sweater deniers btfo +--- 15344448 +>>15344345 +It's because the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, anon. A seat belt and an airbag work 4x as well as just one or the other. +--- 15344452 +>>15344448 +woosh +--- 15344466 +>>15344448 +Are you retarded? +And dont call me by my name again you cunt +--- 15344486 +>Super Sugar Bombs cereal is a part of a nutritious breakfast. +--- 15344853 +>>15344077 +>get 0 vaccines +>don't feel sick +>don't get covid +>get fired for not vaxmaxxing +>ex-coworkers all get covid +--- 15345625 +>>15344486 +Thats a good breakfast for someone who works outdoors and needs to consume a 1500 calorie breakfast. Lazy college kids and other layabouts usually eat one piece of toast. +--- 15345645 +What's the deal with Ameritards and masks? Masks are really popular in Asian countries because of pollution and high population densities. In densely populated Chinese cities it's pretty much an unspoken rule that everyone wears masks during flu season. +--- 15345648 +>>15345625 +>these college kids i imagined in my head eat toast for breakfast so this soup of sugar is actually good for you +do you realize how retarded you sound right now +--- 15345656 +>>15345648 +>emotionally triggered lazy layabout +--- 15345660 +>>15338455 (OP) +Warnings were not heeded +--- 15345675 +>>15345656 +oh how dare you call me a toast eater. i am so triggered +--- 15346803 +I don't care if retards can't use masks properly. Do they actually work or not? Yes or no? The real ones, N95 or better. +--- 15346847 +>>15345645 +South Koreans believe in fan death. Just because a belief is widespread in a culture doesn't make it factual. +--- 15346858 +>>15346803 +>Do they actually work or not? Yes or no? The real ones, N95 or better. +Only self-contained bottled air in pressurized suits and a total sanitation and disposal of said suits after use "works". +They don't wear cloth "masks" in a level-4 bio-hazard lab, where the virus was created by splicing HIV and Corona virus. Body suits only. +--- 15348463 +>>15346858 +I'm not talking about 99.99% effectiveness. Not even propaganda man on TV claimed anything ridiculous like that. If it reduces the chance to get infected AND/OR the chance to infect others by, say, at least 20% that would mean it's working. The number is kind of arbitrary but a 20% reduction seems significant enough setting unrealistic expectations. +So by this definition, do these masks work or not? +--- 15348578 +>>15348573 +How about coughing? +--- 15348605 +>>15348602 +So retards can't read and use masks properly. That doesn't mean they don't work. That means the average retard is retarded. +--- 15348622 +>>15348611 +Nice try. I didn't go outside even once during the pandemic. +Also you are arguing about mask mandates. I'm arguing about masks. I never said mandates were effective. Clearly they weren't because of retards like you. +--- 15348633 +>>15348629 +I can see that. +--- 15348874 +>>15348566 +the n-word is racist +--- 15348942 +>>15338455 (OP) +I miss when NPCs wore masks. I loved slapping them around like the fags they were. Fun times + +oh and I also missed how they stayed home. Was so awesome to not have retards outside everywhere in my way. I really miss that +--- 15349273 +>>15348942 +Imbecile, I spent two years at home because my cucked country pretty much banned going anywhere without getting vaxxed. +--- 15349485 +>>15344265 +No one's pushing the vax in the US anymore, they're just milking the few who were hyperpropagandized for residual profit +--- 15349515 +>>15349491 +I live in the most glorious country on Earth, mutt. The one your retarded grandfathers destroyed to spread hyperturbofaggotry. +--- 15349547 +>>15349534 +The revolution was 80 years ago and my country fought half the world for 5 years. My ancestors called out the Jews and fought them head on. You faggots have to call men in a dress women or you get cancelled, kek. Meanwhile our symbolism still strikes fear into our enemies like nothing else. That's why you niggers pay $40 for 5RM coins that are $10 here. +--- 15349549 +Maskie here, still haven't got covid +--- 15349557 +>>15349547 +You smell like rancid cabbage kraut. All your women transgendered into Helga-Krauts a thousand years ago during the dark ages. + +You couldn't even exterminate the jews. Krauts are worthless faggots now, all the manly ones were killed by Russians and Americans, since Russians and Americans back then only killed men, leaving Germany with the tights-wearing Euro-trash fags who spread their techno-faggotry worldwide now. +--- 15349566 +I wore a mask prior to COVID because of severe pollen alergies. +--- 15349579 +>>15349566 +no one asked +--- 15349584 +>>15349566 +>severe pollen alergies. +That's due to improper diet and enviro-pollutants. It's not really the pollen, that's the lie you are sold to sell you "cures" that don't work. +--- 15349592 +>>15349584 +It did help. +So these masks filter environmental pollutants? +--- 15349601 +>>15349554 +Your country hosts the Synagogue of Satan. +>>15349557 +Not really. There were plenty of soldiers who got captured and sent back a decade after the war. Or children of those soldiers who never got to fight. +--- 15349608 +>>15349592 +>It did help. +Placebo effect works. Is why all cults use it. Cheap and effective. +--- 15349610 +>>15349601 +>Or children of those soldiers who never got to fight. +Those were groomed by the surviving Jews and Socialists and in turn raised transgender millenials. +--- 15349619 +>>15349610 +Numbers don't add up. Those who were still children in 1945 eventually became the parents of boomers or gen x, depending on age at the time. +--- 15349633 +>>15349619 +You assume too much. My granddad was born in 1936 and had kids in the late 1960s with one wife (grandma) and the late 1980s with another wife. I have an uncle who is my age. +--- 15349726 +>>15349633 +OK, sure, but that sounds like a bit of an outlier. Besides, you're assuming that those who died in the war were in some way genetically special but in the end they were just regular normalfags led by competent leaders (until later in the war at least). +--- 15349728 +>>15349726 +>normalfags led by incompetent leaders +FIFY +--- 15349747 +>>15349728 +>tiny, impoverished country +>fights half the world 7 years later +>Jews still seething almost 100 years later +--- 15349752 +>>15349747 +When are Jews not seething? It's what they do. +--- 15349763 +>>15349751 +Truth. +Hitler should have focused on Soviet Union first, gotten UK and Japan to help destroy it. + +Once conquered it, taken China, and given it to Japan. Then formed an alliance with USA and helped USA take over all of North and South America (bout two weeks). + +UK could have had all Africa, with agreement to export to USA, Germany, Japan. + +USA, UK, Germany then could have turned on Japan and easily taken east Asia from them, relegating Japan to making superior electronics. + +World would be at peace, with USA, UK, Germany controlling it all. + +But noooooo Hitler and Roosenfeld in USA had to fuck it all up. + +STUPID SOCIALISTS! +--- 15349787 +>>15349752 +Sure, but nothing makes them seethe more than Nazi Germany. +>>15349751 +I guess so, yes. He wasn't the best strategist and fucked up a lot of things along the way. Still, under his rule Germany went from poor and weak to a strong economic and military powerhouse. Ironically, he was still too nice, letting a Jew doctor poison him or having mercy with English troops in Dunkirk (IIRC?) and letting them go. It wasn't all him, of course, but he enabled it all. +--- 15349792 +OK, granted, Jesus does make them seethe more than Nazi Germany. +--- 15351445 +jannie h8 hiter +what did he ever do to you, jannie? was he bad in a scary hollywood moooovie? did he frighten you? +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmvFOEs575g [Embed] +--- 15352395 +>>15351445 +>be 23 years old +>reeeeeee hitler!!!! +dudes been dead for a century +--- 15352468 +Should I reject handshakes and kisses on the cheeks (European style). +--- 15352652 +>>15352468 +Grab them by the pussy instead. +--- 15352696 +>>15352468 +their eyes all look so soulless +--- 15352765 +>>15352696 +Lizard-alien people. Natives called them skinwalkers. +--- 15352865 +>>15341362 +>doctor +>understands that a good seal around the face is essential + +>general public +>allowed to wear a mask over a full beard without scorn or ridicule +--- 15352896 +>>15339829 +Heh remember when COVID first appeared in the US and the CDC said masks make no difference, don't buy them, and then weeks later admitted that it was a lie to preserve mask stocks for hospital staff? +--- 15352901 +>>15341515 +>margin of error +Wait, so she couldn't tell the difference between male and female dogs at times? +--- 15352911 +>>15352896 +kek +--- 15352929 +>>15345625 +The bowl of sugar is useless. I work hard labor outdoors and the energy from those instantly dissolving simple carbs will last less than an hour. The milk alone can get get my blood sugar right for the work while the rest of the food in that pic is digesting. +--- 15352935 +>>15341362 +--- 15352936 +>>15352929 +Needs more meat though, I'm gonna be straining muscles all day and I'll need the protein to keep them. +--- 15352945 +>>15344077 +We literally tried to tell you +--- 15352952 +guise, i have a very serious questions, why do dentists and surgeons wear masks? +--- 15352954 +>>15352952 +To stop saliva dropping onto the patient, which can be bad in surgery +--- 15353050 +>>15352936 +eggs, eggs in the french toast, eggs in the pancakes & nice fatty bacon, plus butter in the french toast & on the pancakes. animal fats have a nice long digestive profile. the starch in the 5 bananas helps too. who eats 5 bananas for breakfast? +--- 15353286 +>>15344077 +We told you anon +No refunds +--- 15353336 +>>15341362 +>peer reviewed studies +kek +the calling card of "scams". +--- 15353385 +>>15353336 +science is pushed a religious belief specifically because it is so open to dishonest manipulation. +atheists are all dishonest manipulators. +that why they hate people with rigid, fixed beliefs, so much harder to get your way with them +--- 15353457 +>>15348463 +>So by this definition, do these masks work or not? +No. +--- 15353553 +when are maskies going to do something to clean up the massive environmental pollution they selfishly caused? never? +--- 15353891 +>>15339829 +I'm sure that works better than the hepa cabin air filter a lot of cars have. +--- 15353963 +>>15338455 (OP) +>Maskies +Normal people don't get into 'factions' over such frivolous things. +If masks are shown to be useless then so be it, nobody besides your kind of people have any strong emotion about it. +--- 15353969 +>>15352935 +But the premise of this topic is a STUDY. +/sci/zos are devoid of any temporal coherence it's scary at this point. +--- 15354060 +>>15353963 +This, boosters have been proven to be safe and effective. +After all, who would you trust, the 80% of normal people that vaccinated, or the 20% of nutjobs that didn't ? +We must flatten the curve. +--- 15354140 +>>15353963 +>Normal people don't get into 'factions' over such frivolous things +Yes they do, and maskcucks joined the evil faction. +--- 15354647 +>>15353553 +>never? +--- 15354759 +>>15338455 (OP) +>Maskies on the wrong side of history yet again. +What do you mean? The mask mandate was a wonderful thing. Thanks to the masks, I was able to urban-explore without worrying about getting caught by security or CCTV. I've got a lot of dope photos from the lockdown era and my friends love hearing the stories I tell them. +--- 15354818 +>>15353963 +If it were a free choice, sure, but masks were required by law, with various punishments for choosing not to wear one. Of course you knew that when you made your disingenuous post. +--- 15358464 +>>15354818 +If they lie about that then who do you think is causing the replication crisis? diff --git a/sci/15340816.txt b/sci/15340816.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..eb3b695b7e73bdeff869efdb16faa9b1165edaf3 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15340816.txt @@ -0,0 +1,779 @@ +----- +--- 15340816 +Is high IQ an evolutionary disadvantage? +--- 15340821 +>>15340816 (OP) +If it consumes too much calories yes +--- 15340829 +>>15340816 (OP) +Based on the power difference between a nuke and a bear I would say no from a power sense, and on the sex front it seems the soviets succeeded in making their smartest people into celebrities. Based on the birth rates around the world it seems like it isn't just intelligent people having issues, something is deeply wrong and it started in 1963 according to the data. +--- 15340867 +Liberal rules, Atheism and hedonism is on a global rise. People in earlier times (pre1800) were more religious and would just get married at a very young. local communities were much smaller and tightly bound. Neigbours would literally know everyone around them and everything about them, but not anything outside a certain range. so the girls were always available for the guys, and the guys had very little to no competetion with the type of playboys or gigachads we have in our time hogging all the girls from million miles away. +--- 15340999 +>>15340816 (OP) +No. What a retarded question. Do you think humans would be intelligent in the present day if high IQ hadn't been advantageous for the majority of the millions of years the species has existed? +--- 15341006 +high intelligence is more important than love. +thats why we need government matchmaking to match these types because they can't do it themselves. +--- 15341021 +>>15340829 +>Based on the birth rates around the world it seems like it isn't just intelligent people having issues, something is deeply wrong and it started in 1963 according to the data +I agree but we're talking about two, seemingly unrelated things. Physically the introduction of plastics, PFAS, and other harmful pollutants into the environment has impacted human fertility negatively, and continues to do so. Socially, the sexual revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race +--- 15341025 +>>15341006 +They "can't do it themselves" because we live in an increasingly atomized society where more people are finding themselves isolated and lacking a social network outside of the internet +--- 15341029 +>>15340829 +>engage in social constructivism based on anti-human principles +>humans start disappearing +??? +--- 15341034 +>>15340816 (OP) +Humans have collective intelligence, individual intelligence is obsolete. +High IQ people can't relate to normal people and can't partake on the collective intelligence. +--- 15341054 +that's just cope. +plenty of high IQ people have happy relationships. +and so do manlets. +and so do dicklets. +and whatever other excuses you have. +the reason is YOU. +--- 15341061 +>>15340816 (OP) +There is no single measure of fitness. Fitness is relative to some specific environment. +--- 15341075 +>>15341021 +>>15341029 +You could also introduce urbanization as a factor, cites are called demographic sinks for a reason. +>>15341034 +10000 retards couldn't build a the CPU in your PC but the combined intelligence of 10000 engineers can, so it seems collective intelligence exists at all levels until you reach Grigori Perelman tier and dunk on everyone before going back to picking mushrooms +>>15341061 +it seems OP is talking about reproductive success +--- 15341088 +>>15340816 (OP) +The situation is basically the opposite of what's claimed - when women like you, unwanted men will completely isolate you, and you end up a basement dweller. It's just like in the experiments with mice - healthy mice are not allowed near females, females refuse to have pups with the defective males. +--- 15341092 +>>15340816 (OP) +High IQ people that lead "normal" lifes have no problem with love. It's only people that participate in academia that fail, because academia is the field of losers and failures. +--- 15341129 +>>15341054 +>the reason is YOU. +Why do people post these mindbogglingly stupid takes? Is it trolling or is it really possible to write and solve a captcha with an IQ under 70? + +If a significant portion of the populace fails at life, it's not a problem of the individuals. It's a problem of the society. +--- 15341133 +>>15340816 (OP) +Here's why intelligent people struggle with love!!! +--- 15341161 +>>15341075 +>10000 retards couldn't build a the CPU in your PC but the combined intelligence of 10000 engineers can +You're conflating intelligence with knowledge, assuming these two groups are living in a century where nobody invented CPUs yet it would be impossible for engineers to come up with such thing as well. + +But your idea still works, if the problem is to build something that resembles a computer the engineer group will take less time to find a solution as their problem solving system is far more efficient. +--- 15341179 +>>15341034 +>High IQ people can't relate to normal people and can't partake on the collective intelligence. +There is no such a thing. +--- 15341187 +>>15341179 +Humanity thinks collectively as an immortal organism with thousands of years of memory +--- 15341194 +>>15341075 +>combined intelligence of 10000 engineers can +Engineers dont exist in a vacuum, engineers have to be social people to even get along in school and work. A bunch of retards are not what defines human collective intelligence, but all billions of people and their memories over thousands of generations. Thats how computer chips came to be, not because some gigagenius sprung up from the ground with an idea +--- 15341204 +>>15341187 +No. +More people can do more work, but that's it. You will always get limited to the smartest person you have. +--- 15341212 +>>15341194 +There is no such a thing. People only learn what people smarter than them came up with, and that's it. You need smart people who understand how the knowledge was obtained and can keep it intact. You can't preserve knowledge indefinitely, it would decay over time. +--- 15341215 +>>15341129 +>significant portion of the populace fails at life +proof? what's the success criteria? who gathered statistics and how? +--- 15341236 +>>15340816 (OP) +off topic thread, even though it seems like everyone on this board pretentiously gives themselves full credit for being a genius, few if any are. /sci/ is a midwit board, stem is a midwit pursuit. +--- 15341288 +>>15340816 (OP) +No. The trade-offs are more than worth it. +>>15340829 +>Based on the power difference between a nuke and a bear +Virtually every bear has access to bear-like strength. How many men have access to nukes? +--- 15341293 +>>15341215 +Do you have any idea how retarded you actually are? +--- 15341297 +>>15341212 +>People only learn what people smarter than them came up with, and that's it. +A lot of dumb people can be smarter than single geniuses, as long as the work together which they do if they are friendly and sociable. +--- 15341326 +>>15341297 +>A lot of dumb people can be smarter than single geniuses, +No, they can't. It isn't just about thinkung faster or slower. A dumb person will never think on the level that smart people do. + +>as long as the work together which they do if they are friendly and sociable. +Friendly and sociable people generally fail at cooperating. +--- 15341331 +>>15341326 +>A dumb person will never think on the level that smart people do. +Not a single person, collectively they can. Smart people dont think on their own, they are dependent on lots of things they learn from their society before they can make their "contribution". +--- 15341336 +>>15341326 +>Friendly and sociable people generally fail at cooperating. +Much less than hostile individualists like neanderthals whos knowledge often died with them +--- 15341349 +>>15341331 +>Not a single person, collectively they can. +No, they just can't. +>>15341336 +>Much less than hostile individualists like neanderthals whos knowledge often died with them +Sociable people generally are individualists. They just won't cooperate, at all, except in negative terms. +We don't know what hapoened to neanderthals. +--- 15341503 +>>15341088 +>when women like you, unwanted men will completely isolate you, and you end up a basement dweller +Uhuh +sure + +that's it +--- 15341547 +>>15340816 (OP) +>Is high IQ an evolutionary disadvantage? +Only if it doesn't lead to high iq people banding together to exterminate the low iq people. There was one man in history who tried doing this. +--- 15341554 +>>15341054 +>>15341129 +I think you're both right to an extent. People who are part of the incel community have definitely crossed an event horizon into virulent misogynistic bullshit and delusional self-pity which is profoundly unattractive and self-sabotaging, and that's definitely their own doing. However, this could perhaps be mitigated if society was better at identifying and helping people with social troubles and didn't push toxic standards of masculinity regarding sexual achievement. +--- 15341577 +>>15340816 (OP) +Seems to be a negative correlation with IQ and fertility rates, which is the marker of Darwinian or biological fitness, the metric of evolutionary success. + +Though for pic related it makes sense, if love is based on finding commonality and shared values, and if the rule that 30 IQ points makes communication incomprehensible than those on tail end have less of a pool of people that speak their language. +--- 15341683 +>>15341034 +i think you're onto something + +expertise can easily be decentralized, you don't need a personal immediate access to someone to get one. the cost of information is close to zero, it can be reproduced infinitely. +--- 15341700 +>>15341034 +>Humans have collective intelligence, individual intelligence is obsolete. +>High IQ people can't relate to normal people and can't partake on the collective intelligence. +^This anon has eaten so many bugs, it has become one, and merged with the hive mind. +--- 15342242 +>>15341503 +It is. +--- 15342247 +>>15341554 +Being attractive to women means social trouble. You protected the "underdog" so much that it stamped everyone into the ground. +--- 15342249 +>>15341683 +>googling musical theory makes me the next Alexi Laigo. +--- 15342307 +>>15340999 +High IQ is good for the species but bad for the individual like suicide bomber ants. +--- 15342387 +>>15341054 +Yea and plenty of people without legs are in the special olympics, that doesn't mean they don't have a disadvantage in sports. +--- 15342791 +>>15342249 +he fucked, case in point +--- 15342825 +>>15342307 +That's retarded. Ants don't reproduce the same way humans do. If the trait weren't individually advantageous, it wouldn't have become so prevalent. + +I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to accept the obvious truth that intelligence has been advantageous as a rule throughout history, but hasn't been for the past however many decades due to contraceptives, cultural changes such as declining religiosity, and mechanisms of wealth redistribution that permit the fertility of people who would otherwise starve to death from poverty. +--- 15342858 +>>15341554 +Female selection = toxic masculine standards. This problem is 100 % driven by feminism and sexual liberation. Which is why nothing will be done about it. +--- 15342961 +>>15341054 +>the reason is YOU. +If I am not a sum of my qualities (dick, IQ, height, nervous system, etc), then what am I? +--- 15342987 +>>15340816 (OP) +No because higher iq individuals are more likely to contribute meaningfully to society +--- 15342997 +>>15340816 (OP) +Yes, concerning the species, because individualism is at odds with communal, family, life. The species shoots off a normal distribution, with a nice bell curve, and there is an optimal amount of intelligence, not too costly but not so useless, that gets propagated through reproduction in a relatively slowly changing environment. + +So you essentially have to make a choice between the normie life and the great life. People who chose the normie life are better off this board. +--- 15343223 +>>15342997 +>Yes, concerning the species, because individualism is at odds with communal, family, life. +What point are you trying to make? +--- 15343244 +>>15342247 +>Being attractive to women means social trouble. +What? +>>15342858 +Quite the contrary, the problem is not enough feminism and sexual liberation. We need to stop judging people by the amount of sex they have, whether it's a lot or a little, and allow men to be passive or shy or, in a word, feminine, without being condemned for it. +--- 15343278 +>>15341006 +>>15341025 +Current dating apps don’t really work. Those apps are only profitable if they keep you in their system constantly looking for better options on the app, they won’t show you the best options because they don’t benefit from it. A nonprofit government funded app could work. +--- 15343295 +>>15340829 +>it started in 1963 according to the data +You mean around the time Eastern European jewish refugees from WWII began really getting established in US industry and academia? You're being pretty anti-Semitic +--- 15343301 +>>15343278 +I've met girls through dating apps. Were they the best available? Fuck if I know but why should I care? If you walk into a random bar and hit it off with a girl, is she the best in town? Does she need to be? +--- 15343307 +>>15343295 +>Based on the birth rates around the world... +>IS THIS ABOUT THE US??? +Terminal yankee brain +--- 15343332 +>>15343307 +Retard, this is an American board, so unless you state it clearly, you are assumed to be talking about America. +--- 15343345 +>>15343332 +It was stated clearly. Twice, in fact, since I also explicitly pointed it out to you. Your egocentrism is simply too big to overcome. +--- 15343355 +>>15343345 +wasn't even me. i didn't even read the thread. i just pointed out the obvious. yuropoors refuse to respect Amerika. +--- 15343367 +>>15343355 +>i didn't even read +That much is obvious, but then of course, you are American. I see nothing to respect. +--- 15343393 +>>15343244 +>>Being attractive to women means social trouble. +>What? +1. Undesirable men want to fuck. +2. If women pay attention to you, you are their problem. +--- 15343396 +love is a concept created to mask the fear of dying alone +--- 15343403 +>>15343393 +what +--- 15343404 +>>15340816 (OP) +Maybe because there's a belief that children of geniuses are fucking retarded. Maybe here's a good place to ask if it's true, caused by genes or neglet. +--- 15343411 +>>15340829 +>soviets succeeded in making their smartest people into celebrities +wtf are you talking about? some retards were made into heroes. Knorozov on the other hand was hardly ever known. I was shocked to know how little my compatriots know about that man when he was lauded in 2022 because it was his 100th anniversary. +--- 15343418 +>>15343301 +People can be extremely picky, especially women. That’s what this whole thread is about. +--- 15343422 +>>15341006 +If I was married, I would never be considered a genius, because I would have neither time nor power to succeed in what I'm great at. I allowed a loving woman to live at my place for half a year. Those six month were totally empty, all my interest came down to food and sex. And occasionally I found why: whence I got high and took a bath, a complex thought began its development only to crumble down when I was called from other room for silly question of what I was doing. +--- 15343424 +>>15343418 +But it's not what that reply in particular was about. +--- 15343564 +>>15342307 +No gene that's good for the species but bad for the individual survives, because evolution only selects for genes that are effective at replicating THEMSELVES. Read the selfish gene by Dawkins. Ants only work because the queen reproducing allows the workers to have 75% of their genes passed on instead 50% due to the way the chromosomes work +--- 15343620 +>>15341577 +>if love is based on finding commonality and shared values, and if the rule that 30 IQ points makes communication incomprehensible than those on tail end have less of a pool of people that speak their language. + +Why is it easier for me to befriend a wild owl than it is for me to befriend a human female? +--- 15343629 +>>15343244 +>the problem is not enough feminism and sexual liberation + +Women really should just be replaced with robots at this point. They're too retarded to be allowed to persist. +--- 15343658 +>>15340816 (OP) +People with average intelligence are generally more healthy and fit. Having high IQ is a statistical anomaly and it usually comes with an array of disadvantages. +--- 15343667 +>>15343658 +It doesn't you are fucking worthless. +--- 15343670 +>>15343403 +Undesirable men will cause you trouble when women like you too much. +Do you pretend that you don't understand? +--- 15343699 +>>15341554 +>People who are part of the incel community have definitely crossed an event horizon into virulent misogynistic bullshit and delusional self-pity +muh personality, inkwell! +--- 15343720 +>>15343629 +>That statue +H-Hot +--- 15343758 +>>15343670 +Look, if what you were saying made sense I could've figured it out, but since it has no relation to reality, you should've been clearer with your words. + +Lmao you really think the alpha chad who slays bitches left and right gives a single fuck about what seething incels write about him behind his back? They have the opposite of "social troubles". +--- 15343789 +>>15342307 +That's a modern perversion, not the natural state of things. +>>15343564 +Termites are regular diploids. +>>15343658 +False. Smart people are stronger and healthier. The brain is an organ too after all. +--- 15343794 +>>15343758 +They can absolutely come up with lies that will cause you trouble.. +--- 15343802 +>>15343794 +>lol did you hear that creepy Anon who sits in the back of the class was trying to start a rumour about me? +>lol what a tool +--- 15343824 +>>15343244 +> we live in, possibly, the most feminist and sexual liberated age of all history +>these population problems are also novel, founded in the same age +>many sources point that, feminism, women education and sexual freedom is actually related to low level of births, and even "woke" sources can claim the relation of those with the phenomena of inceldom +>having sex, in this age, is not correlated with more births, not even with more relationships ( condoms and social bullshit) +>the best idea that this retard can shit out of his mouth is "lmao we need more feminism and sexual liberation" +--- 15343840 +>>15343824 +That's the mind of a woman for you. +--- 15343842 +>>15343802 +Most people are very bad at telling the truth from lies. You may be able to tell, but that won't save you from all those who are not, and over time less and less people are willing to talk or be seen bear you. You will not know why. +--- 15343846 +>>15343824 +Incels and "population problems" are quite unrelated. You're drawing a false equivalence and you have no awareness of the forces in play. All you can do is gesture vaguely at some possible correlations and throw up your hands. If, on the contrary, we look at the actual shape of society, we can see that men still experience pressure to be sexually voracious, which is not feminist but rather chauvinist, and it is this that is causing them distress in a society where women are independent and free to choose their sexual partners. And of course, if sex wasn't still put up on a pedestal (again, the opposite of sexual liberation) it would be a lot easier for everyone to have sex and at the same time also a lot less necessary. +--- 15343863 +>>15343842 +I'm not too worried about the social clout of incels. But perhaps you can give me an example of this happening in reality? +--- 15343959 +>>15343846 +ok, lets go +>Incels and "population problems" are quite unrelated. +yes, i never claimed that those two were related, i claim that, both of those two, are related with feminism, wich is true. The more educated women are, and the more laboral option they have, the less children they will wanto to have, it shouldnt be nothing negative at first, but it just how it is. The incel phenomena originated not only in the sexual rejection, but also in the new positive conditions that women have gain, that many men see as unfair, more each day. +>All you can do is gesture vaguely at some possible correlations and throw up your hands. nice words you dipshit +> we can see that men still experience pressure to be sexually voracious, which is not feminist but rather chauvinist, and it is this that is causing them distress in a society where women are independent and free to choose their sexual partners. +You are being disingenous or beign retarded here. We can agreed, that social expectations, many that originate in sexism and "macho culture" cause distress in men, but, the election of sexual partner is nothing cultural, attraction factors are natural, in the same way we cant blame homosexual males to be horny about masculine physiognomy, we cant blame women to have a set of features that they find attractive. Even in radical feminist spaces like FDS, they cant negate that exist a set of characteristics that are attractive in a male. So, while you are correct that the distress came from a society where women are independent and free to choose, is not the standar that distress them, but the impotence of dont have options like other times (or even spaces), where having a job and a shack was enough to if not being a playboy, secure a wife, turns out, that females have a natural sexual advantage, like the phrase goes "women have sex with who they want and men have sex with who they can " +--- 15343986 +>woe is me, muh iq is too big, its so huge!! +but also +>basic problem of life that average people can figure out, but i can't +nice self-assigned, imaginary and plainly nonexistent intellectual superiority +>my iq is 200, but 95% of it dark iq which i can't provide any evidence for +cringe coping mechanism, its fortunate for the rest of us that all the self-identified geniuses acquire atrocious personality disorders that lead them to being genetic dead ends. +--- 15343991 +>>15343863 +I'm saying the whole thing is turned on it's head. It isn't "creepy incels" who gets socially isolated. +--- 15344021 +>>15343840 +truly a mystery my dude +>>15343959 +to finish the idea +>if sex wasn't still put up on a pedestal (again, the opposite of sexual liberation) it would be a lot easier for everyone to have sex and at the same time also a lot less necessary. +again, you are giving too much weight in social conditions while ignoring natural ones +The shit you are proposing, is like saying that to normalizing alcohol consume will erase the effect that alcohol produces. Sex can be considered for some, as taboo, can be considered as something special, even as something mundane, but sex cant be denied of the effect that cause in the society, because a core part of any affective relationship is the sex, even in societies where "one-night stands" are generalized, the individuals still look for full-time relations. "Sex cant be simple put out of a pedestal" +--- 15344045 +>>15343846 +>if sex wasn't still put up on a pedestal (again, the opposite of sexual liberation +The number one insult women use is "virgin" followed close second by "incel". Sex is all women talk about. It is entirely how women gauge a person's value. This sex-crazed society is 1000 % a result of sexual liberation and toxic femininity. +--- 15344058 +>>15344045 +A lot of women are not feminists, yes! +>toxic femininity +lol you have no idea what you're talking about +--- 15344062 +>>15343959 +>>15344021 +If you're going to write walls of text you better l2English +--- 15344068 +>>15343991 +Well, in the sense that toxic internet communities are a kind of social interaction I suppose you're not entirely incorrect. Incels aren't isolated in the true sense of the word. But still a lot more than socially well-adjusted people who have regular sex. +--- 15344151 +>>15343846 +You're a completely delusional moron and a good example of why women should never have been given rights. +--- 15344183 +>>15343620 +It seems you have a rare gift of owl whisperer +--- 15344189 +>>15344151 +>Top left +That's just basic probability +>Top right +Again, seems to make sense. "Stable marriages" is very suggestive but the caption makes it clear that it could just mean that women who have sex outside of marriage have no desire to marry (or, conversely, women who don't want to marry still have sex) +>Bottom left +Could be inverting cause and effect. Women who are unhappy in their relationships keep searching for different relationships. Ironically, if you convince an unhappy woman that a relationship is the key to happiness, and then she doesn't find it in one relationship, she's likely to keep trying. They probably have more deep-seated issues which aren't directly relationship-related, though. +>Bottom right +Same story as the previous one. In fact the titles are virtually synonymous. This is just padding. + +tl;dr your graphs are deliberately misleading and you are bad at interpreting statistics +--- 15344190 +>>15344058 +lol you have no idea what you're talking about +--- 15344193 +>>15344190 +You'd already demonstrated that "no u" is your only comeback when you came out with the utterly meaningless "toxic femininity". This is just belabouring the point. +--- 15344225 +>>15344189 +>tl;dr your graphs are deliberately misleading and you are bad at interpreting statistics + +This is clearly coping and projection for the fact that promiscuity is clearly unhealthy and damaging for individuals and society. + +It's like listening to an alcoholic explain why his liver failure has nothing to do with his drinking. +--- 15344226 +>>15344193 +Every single point you've made so far has been btfo'd by multiple people, and you still hand wave about toxic masculinity and about how MORE feminism would fix the issues brought about by feminism and toxic femininity. There really is no point in talking to you. You're a religious zealot with literally zero ability to reason or introspect. All you do is engage in sophistry, and you keep throwing around bullshit until there is so much of it that nobody cares to humour you anymore and you can smugly declare yourself the winner. +--- 15344230 +>>15344183 +That Owl makes way more interesting conversation than any birthing person. +--- 15344245 +>>15344225 +>This is clearly coping and projection for the fact that promiscuity is clearly unhealthy and damaging for individuals and society. +Ah yes, "clearly", except of course society has always had unhealthy and damaged people and in the past there were just a lot more unhappy marriages. As well as husbands "falling down the stairs". +>>15344226 +>Every single point you've made so far has been btfo'd by multiple people +I suppose it may look that way if you're intellectually dishonest and predisposed to agreeing with things that confirm your biases. I have explained very clearly how the problems I indicated are responsible for this situation and all you can do is go +>Toxic masculinity? But what about... toxic FEMININITY? lol +and act like you're being clever. You're a child. A mental midget. And projecting hard. +--- 15344291 +>>15344151 +Do you have the data for men? +--- 15344339 +>>15344230 +Hoot Hoot! + +I'll just chalk it up to modernity paired with the high need for social conformity in the female species. Individualism for men has lead to diverse lifestyle choices, Individualism for women has started a war over what the optimal female is. This has lead to only a narrow band of males being tolerated by wombmen +--- 15344469 +>>15344225 +>promiscuity is clearly unhealthy and damaging for individuals and society +That's just at this point in time. For most of human history it was deadly. A woman who fucks a lot with many different partners ran the risk of pregnancy and therefore death, at the very least damage. +--- 15344639 +>>15344245 +>except of course society has always had unhealthy and damaged people and in the past there were just a lot more unhappy marriages + +You just keep proving yourself to be an absolute retard with no discernment. Yes, there have always been some unhealthy people in every society, but some societies in history have been far healthier and more stable than others. You ignore all the detail of history to justify being a vapid slut today. + +>>15344291 + I do not. Though I recall it being fairly similar. Promiscuity isn't good for men either. + +>I have explained very clearly how the problems I indicated are responsible for this situation + +You haven't explained shit. You asserted that the causes of today's problems are the solution and ignored all evidence to the contrary. The only reason you're still even alive is because men protect you from your own stupidity constantly. +--- 15344684 +>>15344339 +Modern women are particularly bad because they've grown up in a society that favors them in every possible way, while teaching them that they are actually victims. + +This leads to them being incredibly spoiled and entitled, while also delusional and insane. We have all sorts of evolutionary hold overs from a time when women had to be protected, but now live in a time where women are the greatest threat. + +But I'm not even sure if a better culture would really fix women. It could make them a lot more tolerable, I'm sure. But whether some of the underlying problems can be addressed so simply doesn't seem clear. + +Owls on the other hand have literally evolved for conversation. They live long lives and hunting mice only takes a small portion of the night. So they literally have evolved to just spend most of the night chatting. Makes them superb conversationalists. +--- 15344779 +>>15344684 +One day i'll find a woman that is against fiat debt slavery and not haremed out by her own smartphone. + +perhaps own day you'll find owlchan +--- 15344985 +>>15344068 +No. I mean that outright repulsive creepy people have girlfrieds (who only tolerate their bizarre behavior) and social life. Outright sexual deviancy is expected and tolerated. +Want a stable job and a family? An extremist, and a threat to society. Fell in love with someone? Dangerous pervert, stalker, she needs to be isolated an d explained that she was raped (even when you didn't have sex) +--- 15345407 +>>15344639 +>some societies in history have been far healthier and more stable than others +Yes, and modern society mogs them all. lol @ just repeating the same shit in a new infographic (full of misspellings) and pretending you got something new to say. +>You haven't explained shit. +I have explicitly explained the direct logical connections between societal attitudes and their consequences. All you have is correlations and implications. I already pointed out to you, from your graphs, we can just as well conclude that unhappy people tend not to stay married, rather than that people who stay married are happier, but you can't even admit that possibility because it doesn't gel with your foregone conclusion. You have to pretend your data is unequivocal, when it isn't. So when you accuse me of ignoring things, that's projection. + +Purely as an aside, it's interesting how little it takes to be deemed a woman, by the exact sort of people who would usually insist that there is nothing that could ever make me a woman. +--- 15345411 +>>15344985 +You are absolutely delusional, my friend, and I can only assume you're a repulsive creep with zero self-awareness. +--- 15346204 +>>15345407 +>Yes, and modern society mogs them all. + +Except female unhappiness and anti-depressant use is at an all time high. Once again, you ignore reality to reinforce your delusions. + +>repeating the same shit in a new infographic +Scientifically illiterate. It shows different data about history not present in the first. You once again demonstrate your inability to process data. It was apt to the changing trends in society. + + +>I have explicitly explained the direct logical connections between societal attitudes and their consequences. + +No, you simply asserted a fantasy world where things work in the opposite way to the data. + +> All you have is correlations and implications. + +And you have no data whatsoever. You simply have bitchy attitude and no substance. You actually mock data and present none yourself. You are demonstrating how females are a detriment to science. + +>we can just as well conclude that unhappy people tend not to stay married, rather than that people who stay married are happier, but you can't even admit that possibility because it doesn't gel with your foregone conclusion. + +I can admit the possibility, but see no reason to even acknowledge it as you simply, once again, assert it contrary to available evidence. You admit STD's is just an obvious logical consequence. So do you think people with more STD's are happier? Do you think it's possible that STD's impact a person's health and well-being in a way that may make them and their future partners unhappy? + +You ignore the obvious, because you're a dumb cunt. + +>it's interesting how little it takes to be deemed a woman, by the exact sort of people who would usually insist that there is nothing that could ever make me a woman. + +Here a woman doesn't understand memes. It's easy to tell you're a woman by your general lack of sentience. +--- 15346490 +>>15345411 +No. +--- 15346697 +>>15346204 +>Except female unhappiness and anti-depressant use is at an all time high. +Do you have a single fact to back that up? +>It shows different data about history not present in the first. +But tells us nothing relevant. The argument comes after "why does this matter" which presents the same argument as before, which means if you were wrong before you're still wrong. +>No, you simply asserted a fantasy world where things work in the opposite way to the data. +Not at all. I presented an entire plausible alternative interpretation of the same data, which you then deny for no reason. For someone who pretends to hold data in the utmost regard you are very careless with it. +>And you have no data whatsoever. +I have yours. You fail to understand that it is not your data I am mocking, but the incredibly transparent way you are pushing a narrative by presenting your data in a selective and leading manner. +>So do you think people with more STD's are happier? +I dunno, are you suggesting that incels are actually the happiest people on Earth? That's what your data suggest right? +>Here a woman doesn't understand memes. It's easy to tell you're a woman by your general lack of sentience. +Ah, I see, strict gender essentialism is just a meme, you really are a social constructivist but just pretending otherwise for the lulz right? +--- 15346874 +>>15346697 +>Do you have a single fact to back that up? + +I'm done replying to you. + +You don't care about anything but being a slut. This is why you deserve to be beheaded. + +https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/09/04/Antidepressant-use-rising-in-US-mostly-in-women-CDC-says/7341599224503/ +--- 15347575 +>>15346874 +Did you know my neighbour has a magic umbrella? I have the data right here: every single time I see him outside with the umbrella open, it rains. But when he doesn't have it, the weather's good! Wow! + +You keep committing this same fallacy. In this case, greater antidepressent use is not necessarily an indicator of greater unhappiness, it could just as easily be an indicator of more people getting help for depression that previously went undiagnosed, meaning people are actually happier now. In fact, if someone told you they started taking antidepressants, it would be ridiculous to conclude that they were happy before and unhappy now. + +Same for your main argument: the data simply says there is a correlation between the happiness of the participant and the stability of the marriage. You conclude that this means a stable marriage is the key to happiness, when arguably, it makes more sense to say that happiness is the key to a stable marriage.A happy, healthy marriage can contribute to happiness, sure, but that is a meaningless tautology. Would I be happy in a happy marriage? Yes, by definition. Would I be happy in any random marriage? No. Would I be happy if I were happily unmarried? Yes, by definition. You are missing the forest for the trees. Mistaking the map for the territory. Surely you would not say that if you were married to me, for instance, it would make either of us happy? Or would you rather we divorced and find a happier relationship? In our particular case, then, staying married would be a choice leading to profound unhappiness. But you would instead prefer to look at "the data" and insist there is an at least 55% chance that we're happy and that it will increase the longer we stay married and be satisfied with that. Poor fool. + +>I'm done replying to you. +Because, strictly speaking, you have no reply anyway. +>You don't care about anything but being a slut. +I'm flattered, thanks. +--- 15347578 +>>15346874 +>>15347575 +Anyway, I'm still curious to know why incels aren't the happiest people on Earth, having the lowest probability of STDs and the fewest non-marital partners one could possibly have. The data don't lie! + +Maybe it'd comfort you to know that it was a man who outwitted you though. But I'll be sure to let my trans friends know that all it really takes to be a woman is to go on 4chan and try to talk some sense into a cocksure statisticaster. +--- 15347580 +>>15340816 (OP) +All studies literally show the opposite: high intelligence correlates also with high social intellligence and the ability to maintain relationships. + +Only "smart, but lazy" tier copers try to imply otherwise. +--- 15347586 +>>15340816 (OP) +Superficial / materialistic psychotards and virtue signaling lemmings seem to be doing pretty well with their evolutionary prerogative. +People with ideas and notions that don't quite fall within what is considered the acceptable mainstream discourse ... not so much. +Just my observation +--- 15347594 +>>15347580 +I suppose not in the west where retards rule. +--- 15348171 +>>15347578 +>Anyway, I'm still curious to know why incels aren't the happiest people on Earth +Must be because of their toxic masculinity. These are the most masculine men ever to walk on earth, after all. +--- 15348319 +>>15348171 +See, you simply have no idea what the words you use mean. That was obvious when you thought "toxic femininity" was a clever comeback even though it's utterly meaningless, but you clearly have on idea what people mean by toxic masculinity in the first place. Toxic masculinity refers to the expectations placed upon men which lead to self-destructive and often contradictory behaviour. Toxic masculinity ties manhood to sexual conquests, a domineering attitude, misogyny and disdain for femininity, the shunning of emotional displays other than anger, and virulent homophobia, to name a few things. Of course incels are quite lacking in masculinity in a few key areas, but that is precisely their problem. They feel the pressure to be masculine, and so they overcompensate. They pile on the performative misogyny and fantasise about rape and violent revenge in an effort to attain some measure of masculinity. They are deeply, deeply concerned with convoluted made-up male hierarchies, with testosterone, with pick-up artistry, with putting down "feminine" displays, with a natural patriarchal order etc. All of this stems from their own warped sense of masculinity and their inability to live up to it, and that is why it is toxic. + +Meanwhile "toxic femininity" as I gather from this thread just means "women are sluts and whores and they won't fuck me". +--- 15348706 +>>15348319 +All of that word-vomit, and you only manage to come up with "nuh-uh, these standards imposed by women onto men are actually toxic masculinity". That's toxic femininity. + +Toxic masculinity, the way you see it, is about you and your ideology having been in power for decades and everything going to shit, but you need some way to strawman the blame away. That's why you engage in this mindbogglingly paradoxical display of retardation, where you pretend that problems brought about by feminism could be solved by MORE feminism. +--- 15348727 +>>15348706 +>these standards imposed by women +I guess it's useless trying to talk to you because even when no one mentions anything remotely to do with women, you have to find some way to make it about women. +>That's toxic femininity. +That's still a meaningless buzzword. +>Toxic masculinity, the way you see it, is about you and your ideology having been in power for decades and everything going to shit +Toxic masculinity has everything to do with anti-feminist attitudes and "traditional" masculinity, so no, the opposite. But I already told you that. You're just averse to reading. Maybe you feel it's unmasculine? +--- 15348740 +>>15347580 +No it doesn't. Intelligence has nothing to do with personality. +--- 15348763 +>>15348706 +All she has is word vomit. It's why women shouldn't be allowed on 4chan. + +She's just an utter waste of time, as are most women. +--- 15348794 +>>15348727 +>I guess it's useless trying to talk to you +Do you have any idea how useless it is to talk to you? I can quote any part of the word-vomit you come up with, and I realise that you really didn't say anything. There is nothing to respond to. It all boils down to just "men and masculinity bad, women and femininity good". Throw some smugness and women's studies buzzwords in the mix and all that remains is to click "post". +>That's still a meaningless buzzword. +So is toxic masculinity. The only difference is that you circle jerk in far wider circles drawing legitimacy form systemic power. +>Toxic masculinity has everything to do with anti-feminist attitudes and "traditional" masculinity, so no, the opposite. But I already told you that. You're just averse to reading. Maybe you feel it's unmasculine? +Yet another toxic feminine attack against masculinity. Feminism is rotting the society from the inside, and you're framing anti-feminism as some sort of a crime, and you continue pretending we just need more of it. +--- 15349021 +>>15341577 +>Lynn +--- 15349582 +>>15348740 +>Intelligence has nothing to do with personality. +If does correlate with emotional intelligence though +--- 15351728 +>>15348794 +>Do you have any idea how useless it is to talk to you? +There is a lot you could learn from me, actually, if you weren't a biased brainlet. +>It all boils down to just "men and masculinity bad, women and femininity good" +See, you didn't read shit. I explained specific aspects of masculinity that are bad and why, and I mentioned nothing about femininity, in fact. +>So is toxic masculinity. +Except I can and have explained it, several times over. +>Yet another toxic feminine attack against masculinity +Yet more evidence that you think "toxic femininity" is "women being mean to me". +>Feminism is rotting the society from the inside +Unproven assertion +>and you're framing anti-feminism as some sort of a crime +I've explained exactly how anti-feminism is hurting people. + +You are coping poorly with being BTFO by someone you insist on calling a woman. Wouldn't it have been easier on your ego to just not make that assumption in the first place? +--- 15351746 +>>15348794 +>>15351728 +>I explained specific aspects of masculinity that are bad and why +Note: I specifically do not mean that men and masculinity are irredeemable and to be unilaterally condemned. Just specific conceptions of masculinity that are demonstrably harmful. You need to learn some nuance instead of getting offended and jumping to conclusions. +--- 15352088 +>>15351728 +>>15351746 +Many have already pointed out to you how feminism is causing irreparable damage, but you just keep dismissing it as toxic masculinity. "We need more feminism! Our faith is not pure enough!" It's obviously pointless talking to you. A Zealot cannot be reasoned with. You've spent so much time circle jerking and getting indoctrinated in the sociology department that your ability to absorb real information has been wrecked just like western societies have been. Feminism's ability to destroy all things is truly a wonder to behold. +--- 15352155 +>>15349582 +There's no such thing as emotional intelligence. That's a buzzword that normies like to use to cope with not actually being or needing intelligence. +--- 15352160 +>>15340816 (OP) +Like all "evolutions" the IQ variable will get too high at some point. But it's the average of the gene pool that matters. Also note natural systems tend to seek equilibrium. This "lonely genius" problem could be nature realizing it's gone too far and reversing that evolutionary variable. There must be a pressure and process by which the finch population STOPS growing it's average beak size. Eventually a finch with a beak TOO BIG shows up and maybe eats less and doesn't attract a mate. Also note the majestic ocean shark or the killer crocodile. Both largely unchanged or unevolved for millions of years. Perhaps Homo Sapien will continue to evolve it's brain functions to extreme IQ levels and brain powers, who knows. It's also possible that they settle out at a base average IQ in 50,000 years. + +>Is high IQ an evolutionary disadvantage? +Time will tell, I vote we end up as psychic space brains with FTL spaceships. +--- 15352605 +>>15352088 +>Many have already pointed out to you how feminism is causing irreparable damage +You haven't pointed out anything. You have ambiguous data that your own faith, ironically, demands you to interpret in a single way. You have also not said anything at all on the topic of toxic masculinity. It was literally like +>The pressure on men to be very promiscuous is causing a crisis of masculinity in men who are romantically unsuccessfuly and they lash out as a result +>Have you considered though... that feminism makes women unhappy because divorce??? +>Not that it has anything to do with the topic but have you considered that maybe people who are unhappy in their relationship get divorces? +>OMG YOU ARE A CULTIST WHAT IT THIS WORD SALAD HELP ME NIGGERMAN AAHHHHHH +--- 15354203 +>>15341503 +As a high attractiveness and intelligence male this is 100% my experience, my dude. + +Even mediocre men become absolutely resentful of me immediately. I don't even need to talk to them, they just know deep in their bones that their wives or girlfreinds would leave them for me in a heartbeat. + +As a result, I have to be very careful about how I select friends. +--- 15354265 +>>15352160 +My guess is that intelligence growth is actually cyclic with a slight average upward trend. + +Why? +Perhaps you're right and people just get too smart for their society. That means that what makes them inclined for being smart genetically is selected against. +But as society catches up smart people are briefly selected for again before being selected against once they out pace everyone else, and so on. +--- 15354271 +>>15354203 +Nah +It's just that you want attractive friends and are making exuses that make you feel like you're not a bad person. +Women use the same mental gymnatics. +Btw it's fine to be selective about who you like without feeling guilty. +--- 15354276 +>>15340816 (OP) +Is that Naomi Woods? +--- 15354298 +>>15354271 +Why don't you kill yourself? +--- 15354301 +>>15354271 +Not him, BTW. +--- 15354316 +>>15354265 +Your views are distorted by growing up in the jewish hell. Jews built a world where people fight for their life with each other, which means that the best get destroyed, as every sane person wants to ally with someone worse than them, and destroy those who would outcompete them. +--- 15354352 +>>15354271 +Buddy, the difference between the average person and me is bigger than the difference between Koko the gorilla and them. + +Normal people see me as some kind of fucking alien. It doesn't help that I'm in a profession with slightly above average intelligence demographics. People absolutely hate me if I don't pretend to be normal. +--- 15354465 +>>15354352 +Patrick? +--- 15354522 +>>15354352 +nigger they hate you because you use racial slurs casually +--- 15354540 +>>15354522 +>>15354465 +What is even the point of bumping your own thread like this? Get a job, faggot. +--- 15354592 +>>15341034 +>Humans have collective intelligence, individual intelligence is obsolete. +Have you spent much time on Twitter? How about Instagram or Reddit? Social media, for the first time in history, has given us a glimpse into the collective unconscious. We can read people's thoughts in real-time. Their honest, (mostly) unfiltered thoughts. +Most people are fucking retarded. Even the average people and midwits are fucking retarded and incapable of critical thought, situational analysis, and the ability to parse information from multiple perspectives at the same time. Those just so happen to be the skills a good scientist needs, and guess what - most people don't have them. +The "collective intelligence of humanity" is a complete and utter meme. Scientific, technological, and cultural progress has and always will be driven by a small number of geniuses. +--- 15354681 +>>15340816 (OP) +It's relative to the situation. +Most of life's discussion is a rhetorical question. Most of life, the best suited is like a cop - a midwit. Smart enough to follow the rules, too dumb to be creative. +If you have a nurturing environment and good parents, or you live in a hellish environment - either one of these two extremes it is an advantage to be high IQ. +If you live in the middle where most live, it is of little advantage and can be a detriment at times +--- 15354708 +>>15341054 +what if i am all three +--- 15354792 +>>15347578 +This has to be destiny or vaush, I never get as angry reading retarded crap like this. Only vaush could write some retarded shit like this and I know he surfs 4chan too for a fact that disgusting orange beard. +--- 15355178 +>>15340816 (OP) +No. Morals and high IQ are though. +--- 15355223 +Yes. +--- 15355231 +>>15341006 +the fact that women don't select for intelligence as a major consideration is telling. Remember it's only been factored as a .3 correlate for life success. +--- 15355236 +>>15354792 +he actually had tried crashing some threads on pol. Of course the Race Debaters™ sponsored by youtube algos have zero effect on the discourse happening there +--- 15355478 +>>15354203 +... and you're a basement dweller? +--- 15355480 +>>15343332 +It's a japanese board, you mongrel yank +--- 15355490 +>>15354352 +I seriously do not believe you. +--- 15355502 +>>15354792 +You get angry because your kneejerk reaction is to disagree but you can't formulate a refutation, so you experience cognitive dissonance. +--- 15355728 +>>15347580 +any ideas on why IQ is negatively correlated with fertility? +--- 15357498 +>>15355728 +Because men don't want to date women smarter than them +--- 15357858 +>>15340816 (OP) +clearly no +--- 15358098 +>>15355502 +he gets angry because you keep repeating the same retarded nonsense no matter how many times you get disproven and it's fucking pointless talking to you +--- 15358123 +>>15358098 +That's projection on your part, but I'm not as short-tempered as you are. I have proven over and over again how your interpretation of statistics is biased and simplistic and all you can do is seethe about it. +--- 15358139 +Honestly though if you see there's a correlation between happiness and stable relationships and therefore conclude that people who are unhappy in their relationships need to stick it out as long as possible and never separate, you need a lesson in statistics. It's like that meme: +>The headline: positive correlation found between horseback riding and life expectancy +>The implication: regular horseback riding will keep you healthier +>The likely reality: people who can afford a horse can afford healthcare +--- 15358224 +>>15358123 +I'm not the anon you talked to and you haven't proven anything, you're literally just making shit up to avoid admitting that you're wrong +--- 15358494 +>>15357498 +this could play a role. Also women we label as high-IQ are often already autistic/business-driven. We don't tend to randomly label a trad or working class 'Suzy Homemaker' as a high IQ. We give that label to rich kids or daughters of wealthy jews/asians/whites/indians etc... +Preggo and baby is bad if getting a doctorate in university and career. +For highIQ men there seems a less effect, but the same general idea (focus business until at least 30+). +--- 15358500 +>>15358139 +>>The likely reality: people who can afford a horse can afford healthcare +good post +--- 15358632 +>>15358494 +any more info on high-IQ women being business-driven? I knew one like this but didn't made the connection at the time +--- 15359665 +>>15358224 +I'm not making up any more shit than any of you. Which I've pointed out repeatedly. I give an alternative, arguably more plausible explanation for your data and you go +>YOU'RE JUST MAKING SHIT UP!!!! +But so are you when you insist that your half-arsed hypothesis is the only possible explanation of the data. That you don't understand this after being repeatedly told about this means you should all stay far from data. +--- 15360382 +>>15359665 +As I've already said, you have more than clearly demonstrated that talking to you is pointless, so I am not gonna argue with you. I'm just here to let you know that you're a faggot. diff --git a/sci/15342195.txt b/sci/15342195.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d8f4b494c7aff15e354dcc7f8e793c62dab25314 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15342195.txt @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +----- +--- 15342195 +What mental illness causes pleasure in the body? There is none. This condition isn't neurological either as shown by the imaging. What could it possibly be when there's no explanation, physical or mental for it? +--- 15342291 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthymic_temperament +--- 15342321 +>>15342195 (OP) +hypersexuality disorder +persistent genital arousal disorder +substance use disorders +cyclothymia +manic euphoria +--- 15344812 +help +--- 15345860 +>>15342321 +>manic euphoria + +thats insanity + +>bipolar disorder +--- 15346150 +>>15345860 +isn't bipolar disorder more about having feel good mood instead of intense topical bodily pleasure? +--- 15347239 +the symptoms are something that hasn't existed before? +--- 15347262 +>>15342195 (OP) +epilepsy can cause pleasurable dreamlike sensations before/during the seizure which are typically followed by IRL memory loss + +t. epileptic +--- 15347273 +>>15347262 +should it show on eeg scan? can you describe the dreamlike state more? +--- 15347283 +>>15347273 +It is a type of localized seizure which typically/eventually spread to the majority of the brain or hemisphere and becomes a "typical" seizure. + +The best way I describe it to people is a felling of deja vu, as if reliving a happy childhood memory, but nothing in particular -- just nice general feelings as if waking up to a warm sunrise with something fun to look forward to. + +https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/temporal-lobe-seizure/symptoms-causes/syc-20378214 has a pretty okay description imo + +They would presumably show up on EEG if a seizure occurred while hooked in and recording? but that's pretty unlikely at least for me. One of the features which distinguishes disabling (as in take-your-drivers-license) seizures as opposed to 'benign' ones, is an EEG which appears normal and clear +--- 15347305 +>>15347283 +if EEG doesn't exclude all the seizures how can neurologist decide that the symptoms aren't a seizure +--- 15348926 +help. there's no explanation for this pleasure that may come in short impulses/twitches +--- 15349316 +>>15342195 (OP) +>pleasure in the body +Are you talking about asmr? +--- 15349335 +>>15349316 +asmr might be similar sensations +--- 15349372 +these symptoms haven't existed for anyone before apparently should bring forth some interest +--- 15350914 +anybody has any idea? +--- 15350923 +>>15348926 +This. If there were such a thing, we wouldn't recognize it as mental illness. +Unless it somehow predisposed someone to danger. +--- 15351022 +>>15346150 +Bipolar is more about having depression and ptsd and coping with it poorly +--- 15351028 +>>15350923 +if it's one of a kind condition how can you categorize it as mental? +>>15351022 +was referring more to the pleasurable feelings in its case +--- 15351034 +>>15351028 +>if it's one of a kind condition how can you categorize it as mental? +What do you mean by mental and by one of a kind? +--- 15351058 +>>15342291 +>tfw i have the exactly opposite personality +Why god. +--- 15351805 +>>15351034 +>one of a kind +symptoms that have correspondence to known neurological or mental illness +>mental +>If there were such a thing, we wouldn't recognize it as mental illness. +I guess you should be answering what you mean by mental +--- 15352062 +>>15351805 +Mental illness is traceable to neurological illness. One of a kind neurological illness is a weird expression. +They are rare at best, in which case a physiological dysfunction should be identifiable. I just don't think we would investigate this, unless it causes harm. +--- 15352071 +>>15342195 (OP) +Isn't there a woman that cums pretty much all day unwillingly +--- 15352133 +>>15352062 +>Mental illness is traceable to neurological illness +This is not, in general, true, it's a fallacious assumption that while accurate in certain circumstances such as addiction is naively believed to apply to many other conditions in which no such link can be traced +--- 15352158 +>>15352062 +what are the ways to indentify a physiological dysfunction? for example for tourette's +--- 15352167 +Being happy in this inhumane society is sign of mental illness. How can you be happy when every day is just torture and humiliation? +--- 15353738 +>>15351805 +*no correspondence +--- 15356054 +>>15352167 +might be but this thread was more about pleasure of the body instead of happiness +--- 15356910 +>>15352062 +>I just don't think we would investigate this +Sounds like a failure on medicine's part +--- 15356963 +If we consider there are mental aspects on the symptoms then what could be a cause for pleasure occurring in such a way in a mental illness if mental illnesses in general are claimed to have the opposite condition? +--- 15359459 +any ideas? +--- 15359591 +>>15356963 +Especially this one. How can an opposite symptom to anhedonia happen with a mental illness as bodily pleasure coming in "twitches"? There's no description of such a symptom to have existed diff --git a/sci/15343107.txt b/sci/15343107.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a2830f7e9eae0aa9ae956250245dec5e8bb5e930 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15343107.txt @@ -0,0 +1,715 @@ +----- +--- 15343107 +/mg/- mathematics general +Previously >>15324994 → + +Golomb edition. +Talk math(s)! +--- 15343123 +I'm at Calculus 1 and already hate it. +--- 15343145 +>>15343123 +go compute some derivatives whitey +--- 15343262 +What's the end game of the mathematician? Surely there'll be a point where there's nothing left to discover or discoveries become so few and far between that people won't fund the research. Then what? +--- 15343276 +>>15343262 +>Surely there'll be a point where there's nothing left to discover or discoveries become so few and far between that people won't fund the research +The amount of discoveries per year is increasing rather than decreasing right now so there is no reason to believe that will happen during the next 100 years. +--- 15343299 +>>15343276 +Yeah I just meant at any point in time in the future. Even 1000 years. Will mathematics become more like people just learning math and then doing client based work making models for people? I guess the same thing could happen with physics too but with that there's experiments that we probably won't be able to run for many thousands of years so maybe they'll have more time +--- 15343370 +What do mathematicians even do? Like, you majored in math, what do you do? What is the point if you're not applying that to another science like Physics, Economics, Computer science, etc... +Maybe there IS something there and i'm just ignorant because of my limited knowledge of the more advanced math concepts? +--- 15343419 +>>15343370 +You're probably just bad, but don't worry, niggers trannies faggots and other mutants were never successful they just liked being called a "scientist" +--- 15343463 +>>15343419 +>Brings up niggers, trannies, faggots and other mutants out of nowhere. +This is what i get for asking a genuine question in /sci/? +--- 15343469 +>>15343370 +>science like Economics +--- 15343473 +>>15343463 +Just trolling, all geniuses do that for the keks tranny +--- 15343480 +>>15343469 +What is it, then? +--- 15343727 +>>15343370 +Solve math problems under a commonly accepted proof system. The area of math is immense and is sometimes built up to help answer questions from the other sciences. Sometimes your scientist needs 'new' math to push their feeling into reality and you end up with people like Shannon, von neumann, and Einstein. Alternative you have savants like Lagrange, Galois, Grothendieck, and Perelman who make large contributions to math and the contributions aren't applied to other sciences for potentially centuries. Finally you have your average mathematical Joe who doesn't end up contributing but finds a job being a numbers consultant to kids or the c-suite. + +Generally all other sciences use math as a grounding to perform scientific experiments. When teaching other sciences, they will skip over the math technicalities as much as possible till graduate school, then it depends on research focus. +--- 15343786 +>>15343370 +fucking isn't just about the babies +--- 15343871 +>>>/a/251145508 +--- 15343890 +>>15343727 +So knowing the Whatever Conjecture has no practical use if you're not the one to solve it? +>>15343786 +Yeah, but who's gonna pay you to fuck all day? What does your fucking contribute to society as a whole? +--- 15343910 +>>15343871 +Lim f(x) = Death +x>∞ +--- 15343935 +>>15343890 +This, his baby might actually contribute to society only after 18 years (obviously) while you yourself can do research that might as well contribute even more than this offspring. +It's not a one sided coin and people sometimes overlook this, some research is important in the long term and is useful +--- 15343941 +>>15343935 +I still have no idea of what you fuckers do all day. +--- 15344008 +>/sfg/ launched 7 hours ago - 265 posts +>/mg/ launched 5 hours ago - 20 posts +but also theres threads like +>>15342472 → +>>15343896 → +but no /sfg/ content outside of /sfg/ +if mathfags weren't so attention hungry and desperate to launch vanity threads then /mg/ could end up being as engaging as /sfg/, but instead /mg/ is slow and boring and takes over a week to hit autosage +--- 15344140 +>>15343890 +If you can understand the conjecture you have have an good idea of how that area of math works which is ~probably~ more valuable than the conjecture itself. Solving/Finding a good conjecture gets your name attached to it, which is value to some people. +--- 15344191 +>>15344140 +You still haven't answered my question, motherfucker. What are mathematicians even hired for? Everyone in their respective sciences knows enough math to not need anyone else to help them with it. +--- 15344234 +>>15344008 +this board is science and maths. not science and one maths general. +--- 15344249 +>>15343370 +maths isn't science +they're opposites. +--- 15344255 +The study of maths, like science, is ultimately just the pursuit of knowledge, the difference is the scientist is concerned with reality whereas mathematicians aren't. +--- 15344264 +>>15344234 +/mg/ could be as good as /sfg/ if it wasn't for bad attitudes from you and your ilk. +--- 15344270 +>>15344255 +the difference is that scientific theories lack rigour proofs and maths is ruled by rigourous proofs +--- 15344301 +I don't get how mathematicians can rest easy knowing Godel's incompleteness theorems - I can't, it's been bugging me for over 4 months. +--- 15344319 +>>15343370 +It's really strange when you think about it, but it starts to make sense when you see that those that develop pure math, are really brilliant and good at it, so they continue doing it. + +Only a few or those that are not so good (but they just get filtered out so they don't "apply") do actually try to apply those concepts, but that's the small middle class between those that can and succeed, and those that apply what is already applicable. +--- 15344449 +>>15344301 +Why? It's irrelevant to most of math, only perfectionists like Hilbert would actually care. +--- 15344459 +>>15344449 +But you'll never know if your theorems truly make sense because you can never truly know if your axioms are consistent. Even if they were, then there would be theorems you can never prove in that system, it's a lose-lose situation :( +--- 15344467 +Sorry if this is >>/adv/ but I realized if I stay on an extra semester at my university I can get a double major in statistics as well as my mathematics degree. Is this worth it? +--- 15344560 +>>15344467 +If you want to do data basedience or something like that the degree will get you into interviews faster. If that's worth it for you then do it +--- 15344571 +Let x catch a fucking break +--- 15344616 +>>15344191 +>Everyone in their respective sciences knows enough math to not need anyone else to help them with it. +Yeah you haven't seen research. They use mathematicians all the time. +You're hired to do math, most of the time the business objective does not require you to solve the collatz conjecture. If your looking for discrete labels of what they do, look up what a teacher, or analyst, or actuary, or any programming position that isn't gonna be suplexed by ChatGPT does. +--- 15344618 +Let [math] M_1, M_2, \dots, M_n [/math] be n given points in the plane [math]\Bbb{R^2}[/math]. When is it possible to find a closed polygonal line [math] P_0, P_1, P_2, \dots, P_n=P_0 [/math] such that [math]M_i[/math] is the midpoint between [math] P_{i-1} [/math] and [math] P_i (1 \le i \le n) [/math]? When it is possible, how many possibilities are there? + +You should be able to solve this. + +Hint 1: Investigate for small n. +Hint 2: Use basic linear algebra. +--- 15344643 +>>15344301 +There are people who have embraced it's oddity through algorithmic information theory. +>>15344459 +>Even if they were, then there would be theorems you can never prove in that system, it's a lose-lose situation +Almost as if logic has limits. +--- 15344650 +>>15344643 +>There are people who have embraced it's oddity through algorithmic information theory. +Care to elaborate? +--- 15344890 +>>15344650 +They upgraded Shannon's information measure to work with a computation. Since we are trying to minimally describe objects/information, it offers another proof method to solve Godel's incompleteness theorem (and exposes the limits of AIT) +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolmogorov_complexity#Chaitin's_incompleteness_theorem + +I guess since were using computation a better example to "rest easy knowing Gobel's incompleteness theorem" is to learn about what a undecidable statement is (Halting problem) and see that your computer works with it's 'axioms.' +--- 15345052 +I'm almost done with an applied math degree with minor in stats and I'm about to kill myself +--- 15345121 +>>15343262 +Job at mcdonalds. +--- 15345158 +>>15344618 +n>=3 odd 1 solution always +n even solution exist iff centroid of even points = centroid of odd points, infinite solutions parametrized by P_0 +proof: solve equations in R^2 +--- 15345164 +>>15345052 +why anon +--- 15345207 +How do you prove it? +--- 15345220 +>>15345207 +multiply through by bd +--- 15345237 +>>15344008 +Woah anon, you sure got us there. Maybe if you keep on spamming this nonsense like the lifeless loser you are, the jannies of /sci/ will make a special snowflake rule just for you. +I, for one, will go back to studying now and answer some stupid questions in /sqt/ later today, once I'm finished. +--- 15345245 +Here's a small exercise for /mg/. +Can you guess what year this was asked in? It's a pretty easy question, shouldn't take anyone more than 5 MILLISECONDS! Hahah, just kidding, take as much time as you want. I appreciate anyone solving! As always, good luck and don't hesitate to ask for hints or the solution. +--- 15345298 +>>15345245 +2005006 +--- 15345344 +What math field should i learn to be able to program stuff without conditional statements? +Every time that i write something that can be simplified into a math equation i fill myself with joy and think "fuck, math is great". +--- 15345380 +>>15345298 +Unfortunately not anon. And your answer is way bigger than the real one! A lot bigger! How did you get it? If you let me know how you got your answer, I could try giving some hints so you get the right one. Or you can try again without hints. Up to you. Regardless, thank you for your effort. I hope you can find what you did wrong and get the right answer! Good luck! +--- 15345409 +>>15345380 +Alright. So the number of integer divisors is the sum of all the (powers + 1) in a prime factorization. So [math] 2004 = 2^2 \times 3 \times 167 [/math] and [math]2004^{2004} = 2^{4008} \times 3^{2004} \times 167^{2004}[/math]. So now lets say the divisor has only 1 prime factor, we have 3 ways to make our 2004 divisor divisor.([math]2^{2003},3^{2003},167^{2003}[/math]) + +Now lets say the divisor has two prime factors. There's 3 combinations of 2 prime factors of the form [math]a^tb^{2002-t}[/math] for a total of [math]2001 \times 3[/math] divisors of this type. + +Now for 3 prime divisors we have to distribute 1998 total powers between the 3 factors. This is [math]\binom{1998 + 3 - 1}{1998} = 1999000[/math] ways. So in total [math]1999000 + 6003 + 3 = 2005006[/math] +--- 15345424 +>>15345409 +Worthless just like your copy paste method which you were too stupid to think of in a correct way. +--- 15345435 +>>15345424 +Who are you mad at? Why? +--- 15345458 +>>15345245 +54 +>>15345409 +The number of integer divisors is the PRODUCT of all the (powers + 1) in a prime factorization. + +So what you need is the number of non-negative integer solutions of +[eqn](x+1)(y+1)(z+1) = 2004[/eqn] +--- 15345473 +>>15345458 +No need to be so mean about it :( +--- 15345497 +>>15345409 +Hi anon. Thanks for writing all that. I can see now how you went about it and I think it would have been fine had your first line not been mistaken I think. +>So the number of integer divisors is the sum of all the (powers + 1) in a prime factorization +I believe this should be the product, not the sum! I think that's where your mistake is. With this in mind, I believe you can get the correct answer with a bit more work! Good luck to you if you want to continue, I suggest you do because you're rather close anyway! +>>15345424 +Look, I don't know who you are or what makes you think you can talk to people like that. But be quiet if what you're going to say is both rude and useless. I won't be replying to further comments from you unless it is an apology (not to me, to the person you replied to) and I suggest others do the same as clearly you're not interested in this problem but in insulting people who are trying. +>>15345458 +Great job anon! That is indeed the correct answer. I hope you found it fun. Thank you for your answer and for telling the other anon what was wrong with his/her solution.Let me know what you thought of the problem if you want to. I hope you have an amazing day! + + +Oh and of course I hope no one thinks just because someone got the right answer, they shouldn't try or continue. I still absolutely appreciate anyone who comes up with an answer. Who knows, maybe there's a very unique solution?! +--- 15345515 +>>15345497 +Shut the fuck up worthless tranny, you posted a simple question pretending to be some math guru or whatever you tranime idiot larp as. + +Post a hard one or else do your homework +--- 15345553 +>>15345497 +Thank you, I have seen the error of my ways in my previous attempt. Also im sorry >>15345458 +I thought you were the other annoying faggot. +--- 15345696 +>>15345245 +>>15345380 +>>15345497 +just cut your dick off already, tranny +--- 15345701 +>>15344008 +/sfg/ over /mg/ by 750 - 60 +very consistent ratios. +--- 15347040 +Let [math] f : (0,1) \rightarrow \mathbb{R} [/math] be a smooth function such that [math] f [/math] and [math] f ' [/math] are bounded on [math](0,1)[/math]. +Then does [math] f [/math] extend to a smooth function [math] \mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}[/math]? +--- 15347071 +Thoughts on mathematical statistics? What’s a good text? +--- 15347074 +>>15347040 +Consider +[eqn]f(x) = \int_0^x \cos \left(\frac{1}{t} \right) dt[/eqn] +--- 15347095 +/sfg/ tacked on another 240 posts in the time it took /mg/ to add 3. +--- 15347125 +>>15347071 +Do probability then statistics. +--- 15347365 +>>15347074 +Thank you for your help anon. + +A new question: + +Let [math] f : (0,1) \rightarrow \mathbb{R} [/math] be a smooth function, such that for each natural number [math] n [/math] the [math]n[/math]th derivative of [math]f[/math] is bounded on [math](0,1)[/math]. +Then does [math] f [/math] extend to a smooth function [math] \mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}[/math]? +--- 15347455 +>>15347365 +The answer is apparently yes: see +https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/375530/continuation-of-smooth-functions-on-the-bounded-domain +--- 15348117 +>100% of students that took the numerical analysis class last year got an F +is it really that hard? even real analysis has lower fail rate (50%) +--- 15348324 +>>15345344 +Functional programming +--- 15348399 +>>15345245 +--- 15348647 +Do I pick pure or applied for my masters +I can't decide, I like both +--- 15348708 +>>15348647 +Depends, do you want a job outside of academia? +--- 15348749 +If I have a group G acting on a topological space X, and this action is free (no fixed points), what can I say about the orbit space X/G? + +I am reading arXiv:1701.02293. On p.6-7 Pedroza says M(f ; p,q) admits a natural action of R by translations, and this action is free, so the orbit space is identified as the space of trajectories that joint p to q. + +But I thought "the space of trajectories that joint p to q" exactly M(f ; p,q)? Is it true that when the action is free, X can be identified (homotopy equiv, homeo?) with X/G? + +If not, what is a sufficient condition for X to be identifiable with its orbit space under some action? +--- 15348825 +>>15348708 +Academia is my top priority, but I also want to be able to work outside academia if necessary +--- 15348990 +>>15348825 +Applied, then. It has enough of the pure to satisfy you. +--- 15349012 +>>15343370 +>science +>economics +lmao +--- 15349016 +>>15344560 +this is /sci/, maybe you were looking for /pol/ +--- 15349119 +>>15348825 +Pure is favoured by both. "Applied" is basically saying you are not good enough for pure. +--- 15349616 +>>15348749 +First of all, the action having "no fixed points" is rather vague and meaningless. + +To be precise, a group action is called "free" if the only group element whose action has any fixed points is the identity element. +--- 15349624 +>>15343370 +They do math, duh +--- 15349632 +>>15343890 +"Practical use" as in helping people? Why would I want to do that? +--- 15349830 +>>15349616 +Wow, thanks for the completely useless pedantic comment concerning the only thing in my question that I had no questions about. Next time if you have nothing meaningful to add just don't bother +--- 15349841 +why are all calculators be it on my computer, phone or a purpose built device so anti-usability and retarded? +--- 15349854 +>>15347071 +Whatever you do, pair a theory text with an application text in a programming language (R tends to have the better texts). It really is useful and helps understanding a lot. +--- 15349880 +What is it with people at my uni not knowing pre-calculus? Didn't you learn that in high-school? How the fuck did you get in here to begin with? +--- 15349893 +>>15348647 +Just do both nigger. Literally nothing is stopping you from taking a mix of classes. +--- 15349990 +Do you guys know where can I read more about this embedding? All I've found so far is a single sentence. I Ctrl+F'd through Hatcher's book on algebraic topology and there is a lot about embeddings, but not a single mention of Whitehead's manifold. + +t. First year undergraduate student. The fucking professors won't tell me anything I don't already know, but maybe /mg/ will. +--- 15349991 +>>15349990 +Worthless +--- 15350007 +>>15349991 +>Worthless +The embedding? Me? You're being pretty vague here, man. +--- 15350010 +>>15350007 +Probably both +--- 15350014 +>>15350010 +>Probably both +Cool. Still, I don't see an argument as to why. +--- 15350153 +>>15349990 +If I’m not mistaken, according to the “Construction” section in the Wikipedia page, it is constructed as a proper subset of S^3 ; hence can be embedded in R^3 +--- 15350157 +>>15349990 +Also don’t rely on Hatcher for any real knowledge. Understandably you aren’t aware of this since you’re a 1st year undergrad. But Hatcher is good for, and only good for, learning the fundamentals +--- 15350160 +>>15350153 +Yeah, but isn't S^3 a subset of R^4? That's why it's not obvious to me. +--- 15350164 +>>15350160 +Exercise: show Sn with a point removed is (homeomorphic to) Rn +--- 15350167 +>>15350157 +>But Hatcher is good for, and only good for, learning the fundamentals +His book is used during first courses on algebraic topology, so that's not really a problem. +>Exercise: show Sn with a point removed is (homeomorphic to) Rn +Thanks, I'll try my best. +--- 15350171 +>>15350168 +Keep us informed. +--- 15350172 +>>15350167 +Hint: look up stereographic projection +--- 15350180 +>>15350164 +Actually, I've done that before, it's one of the first exercises (it was on the 2nd list of exercises we were given). So, a proper subset of S^n is naturally embedded in S^n with a single point removed, correct? Then we embed S^n with a point removed in R^n, and use both of these embeddings, right? +--- 15350204 +>>15350157 +>Also don’t rely on Hatcher for any real knowledge. +Could you point me to a more detailed book then? Also, could you tell me what an American (or wherever you're from) undergrad curriculum looks like? Here in Poland there is a place where you can take topology on your 2nd semester, but usually it's done on 3rd or 4th semesters. +--- 15350370 +>The persistence of v is defined to be death minus birth +who comes up with these definitions? +--- 15350490 +>>15350180 +Yeah pretty much + +>>15350204 +I’d say it depends on what particular topics you’re interested in +--- 15350567 +>>15349991 +>someone finally posts math on /mg/ +>I don't understand it +>call him worthless +Insecure imbecile, with his attitude towards learning you're washed up already. Better to quit out of math before your life gets even more fucked. Actually just quit out of life, nobody wants to interact with retards like you +--- 15350573 +>>15350567 +>Insecure imbecile, with his attitude towards learning you're washed up already. Better to quit out of math before your life gets even more fucked. Actually just quit out of life, nobody wants to interact with retards like you +Thanks. Luckily I have a pretty thick skin from interacting cretins on 4chan, so it doesn't bother me that much. +--- 15350577 +>>15350573 +>interacting cretins +with cretins* +--- 15351187 +Are there formal proof systems that are actually "nice to use" and reflect the way mathematicians reason in their informal proofs? +I read a book on mathematical logic and it only introduced a "Hilbert system". I understand that this makes reasoning *about* the system convenient since it only has one inference rule, but the few times I tried writing down a deduction *in* the system it turned into a mess. +--- 15351874 +>>15349990 +>Do you guys know where can I read more about this embedding? +Invariants at infinity seem to be what you specifically want, and embedding concerning invariants and toplogy at the ends of space/infinity. Unless I completely misunderstand what you're asking. +https://arxiv.org/abs/1210.6741 +Skimmed over this example and it seems to go over the kinds of things you'd want for invariants for ends of spaces. I apologize if I misunderstood. +--- 15352130 +What am I in for? +--- 15352143 +>>15344459 +>you will never prove a theorem whose statement has more symbols than atoms in the universe +--- 15352166 +>>15344459 +You don't really understand Godel's incompleteness theorem. If you really understood the metalogic nuances behind the proof you would come to a very different conclusion. +--- 15352357 +Google is dogshit and I can't find what I'm looking for in my books. True or false: +Two matrices only have the same characteristic polynomial if they are similar +--- 15352470 +>>15351187 +This is closer +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_deduction + +But equality/equivalence of terms is essentially an unsolved problem, from a practical standpoint. Most of the modern type theory stuff is just about that. +--- 15352471 +>>15352357 +False +--- 15352497 +>>15352357 +No, consider nondiagonalizable matrices (look at the Jordan canonical form) +--- 15352532 +Is every closed subset of Euclidean space the vanishing set of some continuous real function? + +I.e., for each closed subset [math] A \subset \mathbb{R}^n [/math] is there a continuous function [math] f : \mathbb{R}^n \rightarrow \mathbb{R} [/math] such that [math] f^{-1}(\{0\}) = A [/math] ? +--- 15352629 +>>15352532 +Yes, it's true in every metric space. Consider +[eqn] f(x) = \inf_{y \in A} d(x,y)[/eqn] +--- 15352671 +>>15352629 +Ah right , basically the distance to A , thanks anon +--- 15352686 +>>15352532 +>>15352629 + +As a follow-up question: + +Is there a *non*-metrizable topological space X such that every closed subset A of X is the zero set of some continuous real-valued function on X ? +--- 15352698 +Between any two rationals there are uncountably many irrationals and between any two irrationals there are countably many rationals. +Why can't we use this to do a bijection from QxQ to R? +--- 15352925 +>>15352698 +Why does it give you hopes it would? +Your question isn't quite clear. +--- 15353383 +What kind of sorcery are these Non-monotonic Logics? Wikipedia dont say much about it +And there's no way to make sense of somekind of proof theory of it right? +--- 15353418 +>>15343107 (OP) +>Golomb +QRD? +--- 15353428 +>>15343473 +go back to /pol/ +--- 15353436 +Defining a totally ordered set to be "complete" if every upper-bounded subset has a least upper bound and every lower-bounded subset has a greatest lower bound, + +Is there a complete totally ordered set of any given cardinality? +--- 15353450 +>>15347074 +>>15347365 +get a differential forms book and look for the part on pullback functions for some solutions to problems like that +--- 15353837 +Dummit & Foote or Jacobson? +--- 15353936 +is there any book which explains math with irl applications or explains why or how something works? +they always telk you how to solve something but never why or how does it work +--- 15353964 +>>15353436 +I don't know, but I assume it's at least consistent - given you have have the reals have almost any ordinal size. +--- 15353966 +can have* +--- 15353997 +>>15353418 +Combinatorist and an engineer. Really cool lad,worked at NASA, inspired Tetris, a bunch of stuff.He passed away in 2016 unfortunately but he left a legacy. There's a book by him and Andy Liu on combinatorics that I've recently been looking at to find some cool problems and there's quite a few. I actually intended to post one this thread but I was in a hurry and ended up posting this instead >>15345245 +So I made the OP image him instead. A true genius. +--- 15354024 +>>15352470 +Thanks for the link anon. That was an interesting read, though I'm not sure I understood everything written there (I'm not familiar with type theory at all for example). +Do you happen to know a text that could serve as an introduction to natural deduction (or possibly a logic book that uses it as the main proof system)? +Also, am I correct to assume that the tradeoff with using natural deduction (vs a Hilbert system) would be that proving things about the system (like soundness) are more involved? +--- 15354085 +Is it a good idea to memorize a lot of formulas instead of trying to solve them? +--- 15354100 +Bros, how do I get good at calculus. I had differential calculus last semester and I passed by the skin of my teeth. I don't wanna be a brainlet anymore. Next semster, I got Integration course. I wanna do better in this course. How do I get good in calculus and math in general? +--- 15354102 +>>15354024 +As a general logic rec, I like +https://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/people/staff/sjt/TTFP/ttfp.pdf +and +https://www.cin.ufpe.br/~mlogica/livros/Logic%20and%20Structure%20-%20Van%20Dalen.pdf + +I don't know to what extent those address your query, however (especially the second one might not) + +As for value of the systems, I also don't know for sure. I you got a lot of axioms like in Hilberts system, then the language is well controlled in the sense that you can enumerate sentences and proofs +--- 15354200 +>>15353964 +> the reals have almost any ordinal size +Wait how does that work though? Aren’t there many ordinals much larger (in size/cardinality) than the reals (or any given set)? +--- 15354292 +>>15344264 +/sfg/ is a trash fire my dude +--- 15354386 +>>15354200 +Name one ;) +--- 15354391 +(without referring to 2^N itself) +--- 15354530 +>>15354100 +Learning math is 90% practice 10% studying. There's no way around that. +Try out 3Blue1Brown if you feel like you're not absorbing the "studying" part well. It's great for retards like me who needs to think of a graph for half a minute to understand a statement involving functions. +--- 15354579 +>>15354386 +Exists with axiom of choice, no? Or are you one of those anti-choice people +--- 15354659 +Is it possible to create a discontinous function without using multiple conditions? +--- 15354810 +>>15354659 +You could do something like f(x) = |x|/x , though this doesn't exist (in the strict sense) at x=0 +--- 15354828 +>>15354810 +I think i remember my HS teacher telling me that a function is still continuous even if one of it's points isn't defined (1/x, tanx, etc...) for some reason. +Still, now that i did some searching, that doesn't seem to be true. +--- 15354872 +>>15354659 +y = |4 - x^2| + 1 +--- 15354899 +>>15354828 +>is still continuous +Should be, "can still be continuous", then it's correct +--- 15354908 +>>15354872 +That's not discontinuous +--- 15354921 +>>15354872 +* +y = 4 (x/|x|) - x + 1 +--- 15355055 +>>15354579 +"Exists" what? +I wouldn't adopt choice personally, but even if you do, it will be hard to find an ordinal larger than the reals (unless, again, you define an ordinal from the reals itself). +Assuming LEM, no subset of the naturals surjects onto 2^N or the Dedekind reals, any the exponentiation map +x \mapsto 2^x +makes jumps larger than what set theory can understand + +See e.g. +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easton%27s_theorem +--- 15355063 +and* +--- 15355080 +>>15355055 + +Nice explanation, thank you +--- 15355240 +>>15355080 +Btw. our of curiosity I checked what ChatGPT 3.5 would have to say about this, and it's even worse than when I tried to make coherent statements about weak forms of choice. +--- 15355529 +>>15354659 +sqrt(x^2) +look up branch cuts also +--- 15355533 +>>15343262 +Math isn't discovered but invented +--- 15355566 +where can i find a good exposition of the Kronecker-Weber theorem? i'm really interested in learning and understanding this result. background-wise i more or less have the basics of ANT (integers, Dedekind rings, discriminant, localisation, class number/Dirichlet, etc.) +--- 15355649 +>>15355529 +This is discontinuous on the complex plane, but the usual principal branch is continuous on the real line +--- 15356123 +Arctan(any integer) is only a rational multiple of pi for -1, 0, 1. Sure, fine, the Taylor series evaluate in a particular way that forces this but is there a deeper reason? +--- 15356222 +>>15356123 +https://arxiv.org/abs/2009.06583 +--- 15356361 +>>15355566 +There's really no *good* reference for class field theory, it's a painful subject any way you cut it. But Cassels-Frohlich is standard and not too terrible. +--- 15356370 +>>15354828 +The correct way to say this would be that those functions are "continuous on their domain" +--- 15356423 +>>15349830 +If you don’t know how to articulate definitions correctly, then how do you hope to understand anything beyond the definitions? +--- 15356428 +>>15356361 +are there any good elementary references that don't use CFT? +--- 15356511 +why can't i digest math books formatted like novels +--- 15356542 +>>15356428 +Washington's "Introduction to Cyclotomic Fields" apparently has a chapter on it at the end. I haven't personally read that chapter, but I can vouch for it being an okay textbook from its earlier chapters. +--- 15356674 +>>15356222 +Holy shit, finally a motivation for Galois groups that I don't completely hate +--- 15357254 +>>15352686 +[math]X = \{a,b,c\}, \tau = \{\emptyset, \{a\}, \{b, c\}, X\}[/math]. +--- 15357370 +>>15357254 +Ah yes I see, thank you +--- 15357384 +\binom{n}{k} = \frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} +--- 15357399 +>>15354828 +It is continuous since points of discontinuity can only exist in domain. Fun fact: all functions from naturals are continuous. +--- 15357402 +>>15356511 +Humans do not have the necessary enzymes to break down cellulose. +--- 15357496 +Topic is: will the universe, if it's isotropic and infinite, will it in that case eventually repeat. I.e. also our observable volume. +I replied that yes, of course the limit of a recurrence approaches 1 as each observable volume, with its finite size, can only hold a limited number of arrangements. A series of infinite such volumes yields a probability approaching 1, that there is at least one another copy. +Of course, this got pushback from /x/ dimwits. This here is the particular choice cut "why I am wrong", from a self-proclaimed "math degree holder". +>>15356826 → +>I'm not going to give you a detailed response because you don't deserve it. All I will say is this: "if something is infinite it must include every possibility" is every midwit's favourite misunderstanding of infinity. The simple counterargument is this: there are infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but it doesn't include the number 3. If there is infinite space in the universe, that doesn't mean every possible combination of atoms is contained therein. +--- 15357673 +>>15354899 +>>15356370 +>>15357399 +I see, thanks for clarifying. There's a lot of misinformation on the internet, apparently. +--- 15357743 +>>15354085 +I'm assuming you want to know this for purely practical reasons and don't actually like the process of learning where a formula comes from. +You could definitely just memorize formulas, but learning why they work can not only develop your analytical skills, but also make it easier to apply your already attained knowledge in the formula's context. +Both my HS and college teachers used "d=√((x2 – x1)2 + (y2 – y1)2)" for the distance between 2 points in a cartesian system, which is just pythagoras' theorem, although they never said that. Me noticing that allowed me to, instead of using that needlessly complex formula, use my intuition and knowledge of pythagoras to solve any problem involving it. (Same thing in a 3D system). +These things are especially important in calculus, where if you don't have a deep understanding of what something is, you'll probably have a hard time later on. +--- 15357936 +Is there a standard name for the space "n^N" of unending sequences on N into a finite range {0,...,n-1} +--- 15358191 +>>15354530 +how many problems do I have to do at minimum to get a good handle? I have to deal with a bunch of other courses too so I can't devote all the time to math. +Also, I feel like an absolute retard because I can't solve even the most basic problems. +--- 15358370 +>>15358191 +>how many problems do I have to do at minimum to get a good handle? +I don't fucking know, that depends on the subject, your intelligence and your current knowledge. I just practice till i'm confident enough. +>Also, I feel like an absolute retard because I can't solve even the most basic problems. +As i've said before, the studying is still integral. If your gym coach teaches the exercise in a half-assed way, you'll do it half-assed and get half-assed results. +That, or you skipped a subject that is fundamental to the current one, which is a pain, but the solution is obvious. +--- 15359435 +Incest: a game the whole family can play, by Milton Bradley. +--- 15359525 +How to I calculate the average roll of 4 x sided die where you discard the lowest roll? +--- 15359539 +>>15359525 +Never mind I googled it +--- 15359543 +>>15359525 +Just manually go through all cases. +--- 15359631 +Consider a cube (of uniform solid density) balanced on one vertex on top of a flat horizontal table. +What is the angle between the table, and one of the cube edges touching the table? + +Is there an "elegant' way to solve this without using rotation matrices? +--- 15359715 +>>15359631 +https://youtu.be/SH8z9Iou0u8 [Embed] +--- 15359716 +>>15345245 +27 +--- 15359746 +How would you rate the difficulty of Polish matura exam to equivalent exams from the west like SAT? Pic rel are two last two tasks from 2018. This is meant for 18-19 year olds and is a standardized exam that replaces entry exams. + +Btw google translated ate few "of" words. It should say It should say "of this triangle" at the end of the first task. +And the proper translation for subtask b) is more like: +>Prove that the circuit L of trapezoid expressed as a function with variable "a" (f(a), or L(a)), a variable which expresses the longer base of the trapezoid, can be expressed as a function ... + +Full test here (use Google translate): +https://www.matemaks.pl/matura-2018-maj.html +--- 15359772 +>>15359716 +Hello anon! Thanks for your reply. I'm sorry to inform you that your answer seems to be wrong but it is not too far off which makes me think you made a small error along the way. Could you check your steps again? Let me know if you can find what went wrong but if you can't or don't want to I can send the solution instead. Good luck and thanks again for your time and effort solving this problem! I hope you succeed in finding the right answer! +--- 15359889 +Why take the absolute values? Shouldn't +[math]f(x) = \begin{cases} + x\cos(1/x) & \text{if } x \neq 0 \\ + 0 &\text{if }x = 0 \\ + \end{cases}[/math] +work as well? Since +[math]\lim\limits_{x\to 0} \dfrac{f(x) - f(0)}{x - 0} = \lim\limits_{x\to 0} \cos(1/x)[/math] + +and this doesn't have one-sided limits either? +--- 15360161 +Spent the whole weekend learning derivatives and my brain is complete mush from burnout. Feels good. +--- 15360401 +>>15360161 +I know high school level derivatives. Is there something more to them later on? +--- 15360411 +>>15360401 +btw does USA even have derivates in high school? Not sure what the cirrcuclum is there like. +--- 15360416 +>>15360401 +They don't have derivates in HS here so i dunno. It's just pre-calculus. +--- 15360423 +>>15360401 +>I know high school level derivatives. Is there something more to them later on? + +Yes, derivatives form the basis of physics. They form the most important form of mathematics, Differential Equations, and you also learn how objects can change rates of speed in three-dimensional space using vector calculus, usually a 2nd year college course. +--- 15360426 +>>15359746 +Definitely harder than SAT, but SAT isn't taken as seriously here as foreigners seem to think it is. +>>15360411 +Yes. Good students do "freshman" calculus in sophomore year of high school or before +--- 15360433 +>>15360423 +Sound interesting. can't wait to learn all of this stuff. I'm going to uni this year. +--- 15360443 +>>15360433 +>learn all of this stuff +>>15360433 +>going to uni +kek diff --git a/sci/15343167.txt b/sci/15343167.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..58ef412f3869a1f2319f8de4e16336ea0ffbae25 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15343167.txt @@ -0,0 +1,260 @@ +----- +--- 15343167 +Have tree planting "campaigns" been a waste? +--- 15343177 +>>15343167 (OP) +Why does trump always screw up the environment even when planting trees +--- 15343304 +>>15343167 (OP) +Yes, they're a huge grift. Planting trees is basically meaningless. GROWING trees is what should be considered important. You know, actually seeing that the sapling grows into a tree. Instead they just plant saplings and count each one as though it were a full tree. Then all the saplings die and they do the same thing in the same place the next year. It's a SCAM. +--- 15343327 +>>15343304 +>Planting trees is basically meaningless. +Sounds like you havnt been to Weyerhaeuser lands where they have been planting where they clear and partition parts for growth stages preventing clearcutting for as far as the eye can see...which Ive seen as well. + +Your perspective is like someone saying "Cutting trees is fine, planting them does nothing." which leads to deswrtification. +--- 15343329 +>>15343167 (OP) +There are good reasons and good projects to plant trees but if you hear of one it's guaranteed to be a grift. +--- 15343477 +>>15343167 (OP) +Not according to China and Africa. They've been reclaiming their deserts with tree planting programs. Forests draw more moisture to the region. +--- 15343500 +>>15343327 +clearcuts are just fine. without them, due to fire suppression, there are no open areas where the sun reaches the ground, nowhere for wildflowers and grasses to grow. before whitey arrived, indians used to burn vast areas ever summer just to keep the forests from taking over everything. go in any clearcut during may-july and its filled with wildlife. theres nothing for deer and elk to eat in deep forest +--- 15343646 +>>15343167 (OP) + +Doesn't wörk without proper watering, no. +--- 15344317 +>>15343167 (OP) +They can actually do a lot if there is an incentive for people to make them work. The problem is how long it takes for geoengineering to actually take place. Most people are too retarded to maintain decades long projects. +--- 15344327 +>>15343167 (OP) +This kind of individual planting shit? Absolutely. A PR stunt at best, or makework for useless eaters at worst. + +The ag sci guys already figured out an effective way to carpet bomb areas with seedlings. A single C-130 loaded with seed bombs can plant 100K trees a day. +--- 15344462 +>>15343177 +If Trump cured cancer they'd blame him for overpopulation. +--- 15344488 +>>15343167 (OP) +plants are.... LE BAD? +--- 15344607 +it's stupid and will destroy grasslands +just stop exporting lumber and let foreigners live in mudhuts like they always have +--- 15344611 +New science just dropped +--- 15344624 +>>15344607 +>just stop exporting lumber +This. FTW. +--- 15344644 +>>15344488 +--- 15344873 +>>15343167 (OP) +BBC "news" kek +--- 15344910 +>>15343213 +'cause the US wrecked them before 1990 you nazi brainlet. +--- 15345053 +>>15344910 +>oy vey da nazis are out to get me!!! +--- 15345084 +>>15345053 +> antisemite +> not a nazi +you have to go back to your unscientific board where you belong +--- 15345221 +>>15343167 (OP) +not at all. i occasionally visit a tree i planted 20 years ago. big fat fucker, from a little seed. +--- 15345593 +>>15345221 +Greta has never planted a tree, neither have any of the other lazy urbanites who scream and cry about >muh global warming all day errrrryay. Trees are planted by rural dwellers, the type who don't spend time on the internet falsely bragging about their concern for the environment because they're too busy outdoors, planting trees +--- 15345599 +>>15343167 (OP) +somewhat true, consider replanted "forests" in europe vs old ones that are actually functioning ecosystems +--- 15345609 +>>15343500 +>indians used to burn vast areas ever summer just to keep the forests from taking over everything +lol..........what the fuck are you reading? + +Literal CCP tier indoctrination boy..."If we kill all the rice-seed eating birds they wont eat all the rice!" only for insects to eat if all instead. + +>The bison are eating all the grass! Im helping nature! +>completely unbalances the environment for generations to come +smrt +--- 15346701 +>>15343477 +Oh lol not China lmao + +Seriously. It's a super total scam +They pay people to plant trees +Know what they did? +They destroyed the forests and THEN planted their trees +To make it worse: they did monoculture of a fast growing but non-native species which led to exactly what you would expect + +First: it consumed more water than what the desert can support, which killed the native species of plants. +The native animals can't eat them either +Then they had an outbreak of fungi disease that killed their trees + +Cream of the crop: +China kept on saying that they are building more green energy. Never says that they are also building even more coal plants + +Absolutely fucking retarded. Now they are on the collapse precisely because of their own bullshit +--- 15346778 +>>15345593 +In ye olden times they would take village idiots (socialists, fags, etc.) and bury them in the ground and plant a tree on top of them. +Ancient way of two-birds-with-one-stone. +--- 15346901 +>>15346701 +No, they're reclaiming desert with their tree planting programs. They've reclaimed enough desert to be measurable from space. + +https://www.nasa.gov/feature/ames/human-activity-in-china-and-india-dominates-the-greening-of-earth-nasa-study-shows + +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Green_Wall_(China) +--- 15346913 +>>15346901 +>reclaiming desert +Ohmugherd! They are destroying the environment! +"Save the deserts!" +--- 15346939 +>>15346913 +Reclaiming desert means converting it to forest or arable land. +--- 15346944 +>>15346939 +That's is more awful! Humans are terrible! + +"Save the spotted sand spider!" +--- 15346949 +>>15346944 +I know you're trying to save face, but it just makes it more obvious that you're an idiot. +--- 15346955 +>>15346901 +Welp, that's new +They had a major sandstorm just a few weeks ago and the root cause was precise because of their bad environmental conservation measures. +Guess they won on some parts of the deserts and lost on others + +>>15346949 +I am not him. +--- 15347006 +>>15346949 +>that you're an idiot. +called "projection". you are too close to notice it. +you are also non-human, as you have no sense of humour. +--- 15347017 +>>15347006 +Cope harder, retard. + +>>15346955 +Yeah, China is not known for their environmentalism, but they're huge fans of massive projects. +--- 15347110 +>>15343167 (OP) +trump did more for the environment by planting one tree than all of the urbanite online virtue signalers combined will do over the course of their entire lives. +why are online activists always all talk and no action? are they too addicted to internet dopamine to ever lift a finger to accomplish the environmental goals they claim are so immediately necessary? +--- 15347329 +>>15347110 +>trump did more for the environment by planting one tree than all of the urbanite online virtue signalers combined will do over the course of their entire lives. +Anyone part of the climate change cult should perform the noble sacrifice and kill themselves, in a compost bin or other green location. + +The fact they don't kill themselves, proves they are hypocrites. +--- 15347492 +>>15345599 +european cut down 99.9% of their native forests and now they screech like bitches when anyone in any other part of the world makes use of their own natural resources. +--- 15347574 +I want my trees back anyway +--- 15347587 +>>15343167 (OP) +No, but British forestry was notoriously retarded and cut down their rainforest to replace it with conifers basically because it looked nicer. They have been projecting ever since, but trees planted smartly make a massive difference +--- 15347595 +>>15343500 +>clearcuts are just fine. without them, due to fire suppression, there are no open areas where the sun reaches the ground, nowhere for wildflowers and grasses to grow. +Grasslands are not natural climates and are supposed to dominate only high altitude places too cold for trees to grow. All "natural" grassland is either deforested or prevented from naturally turning into forests by hunans after the LGM period. +>before whitey arrived, indians used to burn vast areas ever summer just to keep the forests from taking over everything. go in any clearcut during may-july and its filled with wildlife. +Indians were destructive fucking retards which hunted their domesticatable animals to extinction. Why are you pushing the noble savage myth? Because they were less advanced despite their destruction? Deforestation in Eurasia peaked in the Bronze age, you don't need a steam engine to cause vast destruction. + +>theres nothing for deer and elk to eat in deep forest +Yes, there is, literally forest shrubbery is their preferred habitat. +--- 15347597 +>>15344327 +Yes, fag, the PR stunts are nearly always just the symbolic opening of projects using mass seed planting tech. Why raise this pointless opinion? +--- 15347602 +>>15345084 +NTA, but you literally came in here with your childish little /pol/ grift peddling some retarded 100 year ideology and this is not the first time. GTFO /sci/ or at least get a trip code so we can filter you. +--- 15347606 +>>15345593 +Greta is not an environmentalist. She's just a White face paid to tweet deindustrialisation agendas of thirdies who want to destroy the only economies trying to preserve the climate. +--- 15347613 +>>15346701 +The problem with all the green wall projects is that they already fucked up their top soil and acquifiers with deforestation and dam projects. These projects only work in Europe and North America because these were preserved upstream and most of the human intervention was downstream the basins. It might work in the Sahel (if well managed), but not in any of the Asian projects where they can't afford to redivert, they are likely to end up like arid North African climates barring a true megaengineering project that restores upstream sediment deposting flows in the drainage basin. +--- 15348210 +>>15343213 +Wew. +--- 15348752 +>>15344910 +>forests improving +This is still a bad thing! And it’s the nazis fault! +--- 15350049 +>>15346949 +Just. How. Stupid. And. Boomer. Internet. Illiterate. Are. You. + +I never type like this, but in 16 years on this site you almost take the cake. +--- 15350155 +Things you can do to help the planet: recycle, compost, keep things for a long time, have a garden +--- 15350197 +>>15350155 + +does cumming into my carpet and smashing it in with my toes help? +--- 15351393 +>>15350049 +Seethe, fag +--- 15351457 +>>15348752 +oy vey dey growin da treez!!! +dis is anuddah showah +--- 15351536 +>>15350155 +Nothing you do on a personal level helps the planet >>15347606 +--- 15352417 +>>15351536 +we're not here to help the planet, you've got it all backwards. +nature is here for our use and enjoyment +--- 15353482 +its funny how people still have a pavlovian trigger reaction to trump even though he has been out of office for three years already. plus he didn't even do anything to justify the anger when he was in office to begin with. +--- 15354119 +>>15343167 (OP) +yes the WEF pushed it and the removal of fertilizer in Sri Lanka and everyone can see how that ended up same shit in Pakistan they removed their few ancient forests they have to get the money. Their marsh were good for capturing C02 and now its slowly turning into a desert. +Same thing the west did with giving aid to Africa in the 60s you have to understand the local culture first before any of this blind activism bullshit. +--- 15354563 +>>15353482 +--- 15354611 +>>15346778 +>piss off local mob boss +>get killed +>reincarnate as tree +Comfy +--- 15356645 +>>15344327 +> A PR stunt +You didn't follow his lead, if you and your ilk would seen it and followed his lead instead of chimping out and looking for a reason to get angry then the "PR stunt" would lead to something positive, but instead you decided to be a bitch because you don't give a damn about the environment other than what you can leverage out of it for personal virtue signalling and political uses. +LMAO that a septuagenarian in a business suit can life a shovel, but you're too lame to do the job yourself. +--- 15356908 +>>15347595 +>Grasslands are not natural climates and are supposed to dominate only high altitude places +lol wtf, retard +>Indians were destructive fucking retards which hunted their domesticatable animals to extinction +again, fucking retarded, not true at all + +summary: you are full of shit, and make things up with no source because you want to have "evidence" for your racist bullshit, even if it's contrived as fuck. +--- 15356937 +>>15354611 +Cycle of plebe life. +--- 15356940 +>>15353482 +I want Trump back in office if for no other reason than the laughs at watching seething leftists. +--- 15356976 +>>15356940 +Its not like they stopped seething now that he is out. They just found other excuses to justify, in their eyes, their constant demanding chimpouts +--- 15358457 +>>15356940 +I'd like to see currency debasement brought back under control diff --git a/sci/15344114.txt b/sci/15344114.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..06937bcfa700f79b6ad06822d74cc36575637f93 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15344114.txt @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +----- +--- 15344114 +Financial incentives offered to doctors for getting their clients vaxxx'd +--- 15344773 +>>15344114 (OP) +Take your meds, schizo. +--- 15344870 +>>15344114 (OP) +>Financial incentives offered to doctors for getting their clients vaxxx'd +Well duh. +That is standard operating procedure. +Doctors always get more money the more they push certain new patented drugs. +In the case of the "vaccines", it was not only big-pharma paying doctors and pharmacists more money, but Big-Government also matching the money and often paying more to push the "vaccines". + +Phamacists alone averaged around $50 per shot bonus administered at most locations. Give 100 shots in a weekend, and that's an extra $5000 the pharmacy makes. +--- 15345626 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXE_n2q08Yw [Embed] +--- 15347113 +>>15344114 (OP) +And now they deny deny deny that all the people dying are their fault. + +How lucky we are, to be alive at this time, the first moments in human history, where natural selection is a huge cosmic joke on idiots. +--- 15347532 +>>15344114 (OP) +atheists will lie about anything in exchange for money, doctors are the used car salesmen of the 21st century +--- 15350412 +Why the fuck do scizo’s latch onto attacking doctors? Yeah the insurance company is evil but most doctors are cucks that spent clise to two decades of their adult life broke working 80 hours a week to help people. + +They would have done finance or computers with their ability if it was for money +--- 15351040 +>>15350412 +They do it for status and money retard. +--- 15351485 +>>15351044 +>everything that upsets me is /pol/ +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qanF-91aJo [Embed] +--- 15352407 +>>15344114 (OP) +>doctors committing murder for as little as $20 per victim +hitler could've saved a lot of money with deals like that +>implying the holocaust is real +no rly +--- 15352505 +>>15350412 +>spent clise to two decades of their adult life broke working 80 hours a week to help people. +Yeah sure, THAT'S why they did it. +--- 15353430 +>>15350412 +>doctors have the ability to become good software engineers +lmao +--- 15353516 +>>15352505 +none of them are poor, college children all have daddy's money paying for babby's bills until they're out of school and able to pay their own way. after that babby becomes so proud of itself +>i'm 37 years old and i can finally pay my own bills, i must be a total genius. +meanwhile they all have peers who managed to mature past the schoolchild phase before 20 +--- 15353520 +>>15352407 +Not really, that 20$ is only if 30% of members are vaxxed. +If 75% are vaxxed, it's 125$ each +The holocaust museum says that there were 520,000 jews living in germany in 1933, I'll round down to 500k for easier math. +Since there were 6 million jews toasted in the war, that's 1200% vaxxed. +A 16x increase from 75%, so that would be a payout of 2000$ for every lampshade. 12 trillion worth of leather shoes. Adjusted for inflation from 1945 to 2022 that's over 200 trillion in payouts. Add in a modest amount of compound interest and it's no wonder the jewish elite are so rich. +--- 15354660 +>>15353516 +high iq people are weeded out of the medical field same way as they don't hire high iq people to be cops +--- 15355332 +>>15354660 +This. +--- 15355877 +>>15350412 +nobody cares how much time you wasted on education if you're still worthless when you emerge from it. worse than worthless in the case of doctors. +--- 15355946 +>>15350412 +The moment you get any health problem you'll start dealing with """medicine""" and realize it's a bunch of crap. Scamdemic revealed the amount of duplicity massively. I'll never trust these people again +--- 15355999 +>>15355946 +The level of competency in doctors has declined as the standards for their certification have declined. When the Hippocratic Oath stopped being mandatory for certification the decline became a freefall. +--- 15356007 +>>15355999 +I've talked to several people who mention the older ones are going straight to the internet for treatment plans +--- 15356460 +>>15353430 +They don't even have the ability to be good doctors +--- 15357294 +>>15356007 +if too much of that happens all useful info will be scrubbed from the internet and replaced with something more profitable +--- 15358871 +>>15355999 +new oath just dropped +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AujwxJNZtp8 [Embed] +enjoy +--- 15359201 +>>15358871 +They turned it into leftist propaganda. + +>the class of 2025 + +Wait...mutts are still wearing the mask everywhere?! I thought these measures would only last 2 weeks and then we'll be back to normal. diff --git a/sci/15344539.txt b/sci/15344539.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0592639599a8eee244e6dc94dd6651a9f593b367 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15344539.txt @@ -0,0 +1,410 @@ +----- +--- 15344539 +Looks like all of the handwringing chicken littles who incessantly complain that the world is coming to an end because of overpopulation just got told hard by science. Maybe they'll finally shut up now, or maybe they'll kys out of shame, either would be a big improvement. +Whats their new doomsday lie going to be, anyone have a guess? +--- 15344572 +>>15344539 (OP) +>humans +Some billions aren't human +--- 15344577 +>>15344539 (OP) +>>Earth’s population could soon start falling, here’s why +>explains white genocide like a boss +--- 15344582 +>>15344539 (OP) +>overpopulation bullshit +There are parts of several countries completely uninhabited. We haven't figured out a cheap way to take salt from water and still haven't mapped the ocean floor. Fucking christ global warming is screamed as the next end then a fucking coof forced everyone on a 3 day vacation that showed the earth fixing itself overnight. Every doomsday is bullshit, and the only ones that are worrying are nukes, nigs, and no pussy no taxes. +--- 15344583 +>>15344539 (OP) +>Whats their new doomsday lie going to be, anyone have a guess? +They still have the nonexistent climate apocalypse +--- 15344588 +>>15344539 (OP) +For a long time, probably all of my life, I heard how humans have an overpopulation problem. And only recently have people begun complaining about low birth rates. Ok, isn't that a good thing? Don't you want the population to decline? Can't have high birth rates and a declining population. Some people are just never satisfied. +--- 15344592 +>>15344539 (OP) +Good, I have personally done a lot of research on this subject, seen statistics from multiple countries and read all sorts of studies. Around 3/4th of global population in below replacement (fertility wise) right now. I think by the end of this century global population can fall by around 40% and this is a conservative estimate, it goes to as high as 60% +--- 15344626 +>>15344539 (OP) +> got told hard by science +>science says +>/sci/ +I can't wait for the AI to shoot me in the head, please hurry chat GPT. Get me the fuck out. +>>15344588 +Demographics being fucked because it takes 18 years to make an 18-year-old isn't the same as overcoming a lack of available resources to feed the currently starving. The world's richest country can't figure out how to get lunches into the stomachs of their children I don't know what the fuck the rest of the world is hoping for. +--- 15344640 +>>15344626 +The rest of world is literally starving and committing suicide. In just last 1 year countries across South Asia and Africa (Pakistan, Srilanka, South Africa) have gone bankrupt, they have no real economy anymore, people are priced out of basic necessities like food and health care, even basic infrastructure like electricity and water supply have collapsed. This was bound to happen sooner or later, less than 100 years have passed since these countries got independence from "Oppressive Colonialism" and they have already gone to absolute shit, not to say all these years, they were afloat thanks to western aid. +--- 15344648 +>>15344588 +>high life expectancy +>low birth rate +>civilization dies due to a whimper because society cant pay for old people in diapers +--- 15344654 +>>15344648 +Consider it as Nature's last laugh. +--- 15344657 +>>15344626 +If you want the population to decline you're going to have to live with "demographics being fucked." +--- 15344658 +>>15344626 +you just like to moan and complain because you're a bitch with nothing else to offer other than feigned concern over nonexistent problems. +--- 15344664 +>>15344654 +Its not natural. Its designed by the elites promoting "overpopulation" meme +--- 15344666 +>>15344640 +>these countries got independence from "Oppressive Colonialism" and they have already gone to absolute shit, +Fuck them. I'd say nuke from orbit, but we shouldn't even waste nukes on them. +--- 15344673 +>>15344658 +The global economy is collapsing in real time, you fucking retard. +>>15344657 +Overpopulation isn't a problem because the number is big. It's a problem with resource allocation leading to human suffering. As anon pointed out here, +>>15344640 +Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Cuba all those government's already collapsed. Chinese people are fucked and are currently out of work and are not getting paid for the work they've done. We're all going to have to live with demographics being fucked. There is no choice here because you can't shit out ready to work people on a whim, it takes time. +--- 15344693 +Imagine Weimar but in Turd World. +--- 15344696 +>>15344673 +you just like to moan and complain because you're a bitch with nothing else to offer other than feigned concern over nonexistent problems. +--- 15344701 +>>15344696 +Economic collapse hitting so hard the shills can only afford one sentence. +--- 15344710 +>>15344693 +I have seen videos from South Asia, with people literally running behind trucks anf fighting over sacks of grain, dozens died in stampede. +--- 15344729 +>>15344701 +kek +--- 15344760 +>>15344710 +>meanwhile on the other side of border in afghanistan everything is peaceful and well organized +the entire planet is rapidly realigning against western liberalism and its epic +--- 15345607 +>>15344539 (OP) +they'll just come up with another reason to moan about how the world is coming to an end, doomsday prophets have been around longer than history has been recorded. +tiny babies learn that they can get what they want by crying, some people never mature and continue that behavior for their entire lives +--- 15345658 +>>15344539 (OP) +Canada solved the demographic issue with MAID. Old person being annoying? Gaslight them into suicide. Bam, no longer have to pay. +--- 15345732 +>>15344539 (OP) +>Looks like all of the handwringing chicken littles who incessantly complain that the world is coming to an end because of overpopulation +Literally who +--- 15346798 +>>15344648 +Should have saved something for old age then. +--- 15347138 +>>15345607 +>the world is coming to an end because of overpopulation +>what? it isn't? +>but that means nobody will be around to pay into social security!! +>the world is coming to an end because of underpopulation!!! +--- 15347152 +>>15344539 (OP) +>overpopulation won't happen because.. IT JUST WON'T HAPPEN, OKAY? +--- 15347198 +>human population exponential growth reaches a certain point and then goes down +woah +--- 15347205 +>>15347152 +>introduce tons of free grain to Africa +>population goes up +>anon thinks a giant population based on foreign grain they don't even control the supply of is going to last until overpopulation is a problem. +--- 15347256 +>>15344582 +>the only ones that are worrying are nukes, nigs, and no pussy no taxes +All worrying. I also think if AI takes a decent chunk of jobs we could see a lot of unhappy unemployed people with time on their hands. +--- 15347259 +>>15344626 +>The world's richest country can't figure out how to get lunches into the stomachs of their children +No one is starving in America lol. Most people are eating themselves to death. +--- 15347263 +Isnt it crazy how the corporation worshipping "conservatives" plan is always to demoralise themselves and do nothing +--- 15347460 +>>15347263 +true, and sad +--- 15347469 +>>15347152 +https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/2025/ +--- 15347475 +>>15347263 +are you an ai that was trained on a 20 year old data set? +https://nypost.com/2023/04/12/anheuser-busch-down-5b-in-value-amid-dylan-mulvaney-bud-light-controversy/ +--- 15347551 +>>15347469 +That's because Africa is only 1/7 of the world population. Literally everywhere else population is dropping so the population pyramid hides the African birth rates. +>>15347205 +The west will keep feeding Africa even if they themselves will starve. Mass mental illness is a problem. +--- 15347559 +>>15347259 +even our homeless people are fat +--- 15347579 +>>15344539 (OP) +OH DEAR GOD NO!!!! How will western banks and construction corporations survive when their business model literally depends on high 3rd world birth rates?? +--- 15347648 +>>15347551 +That Mental illness is caused Pathological Altruism, it has its origins in kikestianity. +--- 15347669 +>>15344539 (OP) +You're leaving out the black people. There's billions of them and their skin is black. Over one hundred tens of million enter the US every hour and take all the jobs because of the jews. The jews want to create a slave race that they can control so they want to mix black people with us because we know that blacks are out of control. You can't understand black skin unless you're red pilled like I am +--- 15347674 +>>15347579 +All Debt Financing is based on belief in future growth of money supply, without an increasing population to support that circulation, it cannot function. +--- 15347682 +>>15347669 +All of the turd world will fall into economic crisis, socio-political chaos and eventual starvation, with declining first world demand, just go and see what happened with Srilanka and what is happening with Pakistan, the turd world has no Independent system. +--- 15347689 +>>15347674 +it can function with technological improvement instead. Likewise that cannot continue indefinitely either. + +This is all known and scientifically proven basic fact - has been for centuries. Interesting that humanity has become an abject failure at grasping such a simple concept. +--- 15347717 +>>15347689 +> it can function with technological improvement instead +No, it cannot, infact technological improvement will stagnate and lot of know-how will be lost. You don't know what you are talking about. +You need increasing number of Humans to circulate an increasing amount of money supply. The money in itself has no value, it has value only because of increasing demand by increasing number of people. Technology has nothing to do with it. +For Retards who cannot understand - +Imagine a Bank gives out a loan to a man to establish a business, the man dies while paying off the loan, he has no children, the bank has no way to recover the money fully, it also looses the interest money. Now scale this to entire country, where population is declining per generation, and demand for money is declining. +There are certain short term COPES that can slow the falling apart process, but no actual long term solution. +--- 15347733 +Infact this is the reason we have so much inflation, the governments through out the West have been artificially pumping money into circulation since atleast 70s, through money printing and extremely low interest rates, it's interesting in most western countries the TFR fell below replacement rate in early 70s. +One other COPE they have tried is import of masses from the turd world, hasn't really worked out though, infact in US the mexicans caused GFC, reason being the inability of westerners to understand that these turd worlders migrate to West for only 2 reasons +1. White (preferably underage) pussy +2. Free GIBS +Studies after Studies have shown that these groups have higher rates of unemployment than the native population, most of them live on gobermint provided gibs and housing, the situation is specially critical in Europe. +--- 15347768 +>we're so underpopulated!!! look at all this uninhabitable land with no humans in it!!! +--- 15348139 +>>15347648 +Yep. Even "racist" christcucks like Puke Smith are fine with Africans breeding, he says they are doing what they are supposed to do unlike westerners, when in reality earth can't sustain the current population for much longer. +--- 15348169 +>>15347768 +I would rather have humans go extinct thanks. Imagine wanting ten gorillion nigger subhumans shitting up the Earth. +Their population shot up, thanks to kikestians and leftists starting their "Year of Africa" BS in 60s. +--- 15348196 +>>15344539 (OP) +>could +>soon +>start +Still won't make up for the increase over the past decade, so I'll continue to spout overpopulation as I have been a decade ago +--- 15348334 +>>15347551 +>The west will keep feeding Africa +uh huh +--- 15348509 +>>15348378 +>western educated Africans +Are they still in Africa or are you talking about American niggers? +--- 15348516 +>>15344539 (OP) +>muh fertility collapse +Fertility rates will almost certainly rebound in the long run. + + +https://www.unz.com/akarlin/breeders-revenge/ +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5X18lqyDO0 [Embed] +--- 15350469 +>>15348539 +sad & low iq +--- 15351461 +>>15348139 +africans are smarter than euros +https://twitter.com/AdvoBarryRoux/status/1646195352251269120 +--- 15351543 +the (manufactured) overpopulation scare of the 60s didn't account for half of all young men checking out of society or half of all young women becoming turbothots. +--- 15352409 +>>15351543 +when is science going to address the problem of chicken littles constantly lying about the world being on the verge of death? +--- 15352428 +>>15347256 +>I also think if AI takes a decent chunk of jobs we could see a lot of unhappy unemployed people with time on their hands. +Production efficiency increase is only a problem in market based production. +--- 15352453 +>>15352428 +correct, and ours is definitely not that. most people with jobs produce nothing whatsoever. the job is only there to keep them busy +--- 15352541 +>>15347259 +https://www.winonapost.com/opinion/hungry-students-do-indeed-exist/article_18d4fe84-d958-11ed-bf69-03c5587cfdb0.html +https://news.yahoo.com/student-hunger-pervasive-ohio-153000482.html +https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-dakota-senate-votes-expand-175642628.html +Many such cases. +You live in a shit ass country. +--- 15352995 +>>15352453 +Because the size and scale of hospitals have only increased over the years. You think you can make one guy do the jobs of 7 people? +--- 15352999 +>>15348139 +>when in reality earth can't sustain the current population for much longer. +Not even remotely true. +--- 15353020 +>>15352999 +yeah, thats just more chicken little bullshit from the mentally ill messiah complex community +--- 15353489 +>>15353020 +oh no the world is coming to an end +therefore +you have to give me all your money and property + +extremely common low iq form of manipulative behavior. if they weren't low iq they could invent convincing lies +--- 15354264 +>>15352999 +>t. +--- 15354329 +>Looks like all of the handwringing chicken littles who incessantly complain that the world is coming to an end because of overpopulation +Who? It's been well known population is going to start to to down in the 21st century +--- 15354486 +>>15354329 +Dutch media for example. +--- 15354494 +>>15344539 (OP) +it is zimply a matter of removing ze CARbon +https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IaEgcRgE__M [Embed] +--- 15354502 +>>15354494 +Swabby is right +--- 15354516 +>>15354494 +And re-place ze animul proteen. Picrel. +--- 15354517 +>world becomes massively overpopulated +>people see it's overpopulated +>"Hey maybe we should stop having kids" +>World population massively declines the next generation +>World reaches a new population equilibrium with no growth/decline +It's pretty simple. Yes, the world population is going to decline, a lot, but itll stabilize soon after that. My guess is somewhere around 4-5 billion, so about half of what we have now, but 3 billion is also a possibility. +--- 15354687 +>>15353489 +thats how scientists get paid +they're incapable of earning their wages, so they lie and steal instead +we'd all be better off without them +--- 15355012 +>>15354486 +Maybe Europe, some African regions, India, and southeast Asia /are/ overpopulated. I live in NY but wouldn't want to live in NYC. +--- 15355070 +>>15355012 +Birthrates of the native Dutch and East-Asian immigrants are below replacement. The population of The Netherlands is increasing due to mass immigration from outside the EU. +--- 15355246 +>>15347551 +And thats why I refuse to pay taxes. +--- 15355376 +>>15347138 +This, but it's done intentionally +>climate change will destroy the world if you have kids goyim. End overpopulation +>I can't believe you didn't have kids goyim. Who's going to pay for social security now? +>Looks like we'll have to bring in these syrian child refugees (who are actually 30 year olds from the congo) to pay for social security now since you didn't have enough kids +--- 15355454 +>>15344539 (OP) +Let me guess, you are a third world poor motherfucker who lives with 50 cousins. + +Either way, fuck putting up with loads of useless shitting cunts everywhere you weirdo. They all your friends are they? + +I bet you don't even live near a main road or drive. + +Faggot. Go kill yourself and let me watch so I can feel bloodlust over your gay life coming to an end. I want to witness your gay soul leave your body. +--- 15355940 +>>15354687 +pol pot wiped out his academics and cambodia suffered no negative consequences as a result +--- 15355979 +>>15344539 (OP) +Take you 20th jab +Cut off your penis +Mutilate your vagina +Use condom +Take the pill +Own nothing +Have no privacy +You will be +Ze happy +--- 15355998 +>>15355940 +wonder how much of western academia is deadwood +--- 15356021 +>>15344582 +>we haven't found a cheap way to take salt from water +>what is boiling +--- 15356121 +>>15344577 +Birth rates are falling precipitously in Africa and Asia. +>>15344648 +>what are robots/AI +You are dumdum +--- 15356138 +>>15356121 +>what are robots/AI + +>its 2035 +>robots and AI are here +>because we have robots and AI, people no longer feel the need to procreate, as hopes of humanity is lost to robots/ai and dreams of consciousness upload end up as religious worship +--- 15356145 +>>15355940 +Being a economic, cultural, and political backwater that is dramatically underdeveloped and is the protectorate of Vietnam since they haven't had the capacity to form a legitimate ruling class to head the country aren't negative consequences? +--- 15356148 +>>15356138 +>>because we have robots and AI, people no longer feel the need to procreate, +Just because you'll never have sex with a woman doesn't mean that every other man won't and that they won't want to start a family. +--- 15356155 +>>15356148 +>every other man will have sex with a real woman because uhhh robot sex dolls dont do it + +You're not a man. +--- 15356179 +>>15355998 +100% +but they aren't deadwood, their toxicity makes them a far worse substance +--- 15356185 +>>15356121 +>what are robots/AI +science fiction +--- 15356212 +>>15356185 +Okay bub. Guess you'd rather have Djameniq from Jamaica carry you around in your assisted living home rather than this cute Japanese robot bear. +--- 15356481 +>>15356145 +>underdeveloped +because they didn't wipe out khmer culture and tradition in favor of globohomo faggotry? thats actually a tremendous accomplishment. do you consider bugman china better developed just because they have some fast trains and colorful skyscrapers? is development status measured by similarity to europe? isn't that kind of racist? +--- 15356505 +>>15356481 +Not having modern medicine or infrastructure and dying younger isn’t something to be proud of retard. +> isn't that kind of racist? +Lmao. You are retarded. +--- 15357288 +>>15352453 +>one a piss colored +>the other shit colored +subtle commentary by the creator of that graphic +--- 15357482 +>>15344539 (OP) +We have been overpopulated for more then century. Anything above 1 billion is overpopulation +--- 15357523 +>>15344539 (OP) +we're already over populated. +--- 15357915 +>>15356121 +>Birth rates are falling precipitously in Africa and Asia. +from 7 kids per woman to barely 5.8 kids per woman +africa is depopulating, it's over blackbros +--- 15357974 +>>15357915 +The equator has fallen. +--- 15358780 +>>15357523 +you should kill yourself if you think theres too many people and you want to do something about it. if you're not willing to do that then your expression of concern is just a lie +--- 15359055 +>>15358780 +Why aren't you donating all your money to feed hungry people of breeding age if you think we're underpopulated? And not I don't mean Africans, any poor people in your area. Give them all your money so they can get education, stable jobs, and have kids. It will help underpopulation more than 1 guy killing himself helping overpopulation. + +Don't tell me you're a hypocrite and won't do it. +--- 15359246 +>>15357915 +You’re a disingenuous faggot. + +>When compared with other continents, Africa’s fertility rates of 4.5 children per woman in 2017 seem high. Indeed, it’s the highest in the world. But that figure is low compared with Africa's birthrates of previous decades. It stood at an average of 6.6 children per woman in 1980. + +>And these rates has been falling across the continent. In the Sahel, for example, the region with the highest fertility rates, the number of children per woman has dropped from 7 to 5.7 since 1980. The most spectacular drop has been in North Africa, where the rate was cut in half in 37 years, from 6 children per woman to 3. + +>There is an ongoing demographic transition in Southern Africa and the countries of the Indian Ocean, where the current fertility rate is 4 children per woman, and the rate is trending downward. +--- 15360228 +>>15344592 +good.flac diff --git a/sci/15345008.txt b/sci/15345008.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8018e79fd819bc8ce502badea56ce583e73ee36d --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15345008.txt @@ -0,0 +1,147 @@ +----- +--- 15345008 +High ranking dimwits of the federal government when asked what fraction of the atmosphere is CO2 by congress +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJfrKNR3K2k [Embed] +Why are these upper level government officials so low on the IQ scale? +--- 15345029 +>>15345008 (OP) +anon, the atmosphere is 67% phlogiston. please correct your numbers accordingly +--- 15345603 +>i trust the soience +the soience is just ignorance based guesses from political appointees. +--- 15346905 +>>15345008 (OP) +God, I love Greta Thunberg. + +She hasn't responded to my dm, but I can hope. +--- 15346910 +>>15346905 +You going to get her an OnlyFans page going? +--- 15346915 +>>15346910 +No, I just want to ask her on a date. +--- 15346931 +>>15345008 (OP) +Damn, that's worse than the federal judge nominee who didn't know what Article V of the constitution says. + +https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/biden-judicial-nominee-doesnt-know-what-constitution-does +--- 15346946 +>>15346915 +If you tap that tarded ass, post the vids in /hc/ bro for scientific research. +--- 15347010 +>>15346931 +Leftists are all retards. They wouldn't be leftists if they were not. +--- 15347023 +>>15345008 (OP) +Because "people" who enter politics are socio pathic narcissists that think they have a right to interfere with the personal lives of others. +The principle duty of congress is to regulate trade, domestic and foreign.everything they do outside of that is jaw droppingly stupid and frankly an embarrasment +--- 15347334 +>>15347023 +>Because "people" who enter politics are socio pathic narcissists that think they have a right to interfere with the personal lives of others. +Truth. +Get rid of all government in the world. +Peaceful Anarchy is the only way. +--- 15347483 +>>15345008 (OP) +lol +--- 15347641 +>>15345008 (OP) +is this what soimaxing looks like? +--- 15348396 +>>15347334 +>Get rid of all government in the world. +That's a retarded idea. As soon as the governments are gone, monarchies will develop because someone somewhere will want more than what they have. So they form a gang. And that gang grows in power and conquers until it controls a country's worth of land and resources. +You think that pistol and hunting rifle will keep you safe from 500 people just like you, but working together? With their own pistols and hunting rifles? How about +vs 5000? 50000? Think again! +>Peaceful Anarchy +That's an oxymoron. +--- 15348529 +>>15348396 +The whole purpose of judeo atheist revolutions by the bourgeois in NL, UK and France and Russia was to remove the kings and priests off of their backs. priests and kings took their money and told them what to do , who to marry, daily rules and so on . it was awful for the bourgeois bug. + +atheism= hedonism+ propaganda that christian kings are evil, in order to make a society based on commerce alone, and not on priests and military conquests + +The typical life of a bourgeois is going to orgies at night and then during day getting bored since they have a very shallow meaningless job or even just be trust fund babies and all they do in the afternoon is getting ready to go parties in the evening. +From time to time they want to feel like good guys so back in the day they would go to church on the sunday morning after their saturday night orgy. + +Nowadays they just push for humanism, ie the philosophy they themselves crafted to take power. + +And women lead the same life of the bourgeoisie, this is why they thrive so much in the bourgeois pinnacle creation: the democratic republic. +A woman truly have no hypocrisy when all she does in her life is using hundreds of orbiters to get them solve her daily life problems, when she gets free gifts by men, when she has lots of casual sex free of charge, when men put her on a pedestal while her skills are non-existent. A woman is hedonistic and she has very little work do to get an easy life. +Women coast thru life thanks to +-being the apex predator on the liberalized sex market (liberalized by the bourgeoisie since bourgeois hate sexual conventions, because it prevents cooming). +Both women and bourgeois are bisexual sex freaks. +-being deeply neurotic, desperate to virtue signal during the day to gain atheist karma points +-being the only species able to sustain high dose of hypocrisy, ie being self centered hedonist but also pushing for more humanism, because they have no introspection faculty +--- 15348532 +>>15348529 +the only difference between a bourgeois and a woman, is that the bourgeois perfectly knows he is a scumbag who doesnt care one bit about the peasants in private, while claiming in public that caring about peasants is super important. +--- 15348734 +>>15346915 +Based retard fucker +--- 15349379 +>>15345008 (OP) +But it isnt? Its 0.4%... +--- 15349516 +>>15348396 +>As soon as the governments are gone, monarchies will develop +A monarchy = government. +You glow and are dumb, only parroting what your handlers tell you. +You are a slave in a government monarchy. +--- 15349531 +>>15348396 +>So they form a gang. And that gang grows in power and conquers until it controls a country's worth of land and resources. +>Never heard of vigilante militias. +The only thing bad people fear is the wrath of good people and their vigilantism. +--- 15350027 +>>15349956 +>take note of the guy's limited vocabulary, is he too wasted on drugs to remember the word "narrow" or just very dumb? maybe a brainwashing or lobotomy victim? +Democrats/RINO's, the political party of sCieNcE! +--- 15351433 +>>15349385 +imagine thinking that changing the composition of the atmosphere by 0.01% is going to make "the greenhouse effect" change by 10% +--- 15351465 +>>15351433 +>imagine thinking that changing the composition of A constituent of the atmosphere by 25% is going to make "the greenhouse effect" change by 10% +You're right, it should be more like 25% +--- 15352412 +>>15349516 +lolbergs are idiots, thats why they're mocked so widely +--- 15353577 +>>15349379 +0.04% +--- 15354728 +amazing how out of touch the idiots running the show in d.c. are. they could only have achieved their positions via means other than intellectual merit +--- 15355306 +>>15351465 +The absolute intelligence of climate sois. +--- 15355321 +>>15355306 +I'm not the moron who doesn't know how greenhouse gasses work. +--- 15355343 +>>15355321 +You seem to think that CO2 is the only one, which makes you severely mentally retarded. +--- 15355384 +>>15355343 +Cope harder, retard. I never said or implied it was the only one. +--- 15355388 +>>15355384 +See >>15351465 +--- 15355587 +>>15355388 +Nothing in that sentence implies that CO2 is the only greenhouse gas. Improve your literacy. +--- 15355821 +>>15354728 +they mostly do it via nepotism +--- 15355876 +>>15355587 +Why would increasing the concentration of a trace gas by 25% increase the overall "greenhouse effect" by 25%? +--- 15356698 +>>15355876 +Depends on if you're interested in science or political activism +--- 15356743 +>>15356698 +Give me both explanations. +--- 15358573 +>>15356743 +no in the former case, yes in the later diff --git a/sci/15345195.txt b/sci/15345195.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a1f66a5f0c5d5630004c9eeae5d4146baa841d7a --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15345195.txt @@ -0,0 +1,919 @@ +----- +--- 15345195 +Can you /sci/entists explain me why the concept of species is not applied to humans +Sure, German Shepard and bulldog are both dogs, but they belong to different species. +--- 15345205 +>>15345195 (OP) +Those are breeds +--- 15345242 +>>15345218 +The distance to the Neamderthals is something like ten times greater. +--- 15345278 +>>15345195 (OP) +Subspecies is not a biological term that is used +The way species are distinct is in producing offspring. +For example, there are species of insects that look basically identical on the outside but are from different species. Why? Becouse they have incompatible genetalia. There's a similar thing in birds but with differences in courting behaviour instead. +There are exceptions like frogs interbreeding and making a fertile hybrids, but that sort of thing becomes less and less possible when you go towards mammals and birds, as there are a whole bunch of failsafes on all levels thst prevent that. + +So if for example that weird guy that wands sexually dimorphic people gets what he wants but it's essentially impossible for impregnation to occur naturally with the size difference, they become kind of different species. Even then no, because dogs are all one species although some can't interbreed due to this. Even if they cinseive, you can expect complications during pregnancy. + +Is that a sufficient answer to this question? I've taken it on myself to not view it in bad faith and would appreciate if you do the same. +--- 15345314 +>>15345278 +>Subspecies is not a biological term that is used +why because it's not politically correct? +--- 15345331 +>>15345195 (OP) +I would say it's... +It's politics ! +--- 15345346 +Obvious troll thread. See Common Cuckoo and Happy Face Spiders as both those species have races too. +--- 15345359 +>>15345195 (OP) +>>15345278 +>The way species are distinct is in producing offspring. +No. +Species are categorized arbitrarily without a sound scientific process. There's like 20 different definitions of species and none of them fit the actual uses of the term. +Many different species, even among mammals, are exceptions to your definition and have fertile offspring in the wild, like coyotes and wolves, sapiens and neandertal, or pic related. + +The concepts of species and subspecies is not applied to humans because people are afraid it could be used to justify genocide, or to oppose population replacement in the west. There is no scientific argument, except fallacious ones designed to mask the political ones. +--- 15345386 +>>15345195 (OP) +--- 15345403 +>Sure, German Shepard and bulldog are both dogs, but they belong to different species. +smartest racist +--- 15345405 +>>15345359 +--- 15345438 +>>15345195 (OP) +>Sure, German Shepard and bulldog are both dogs, but they belong to different species. +anon just went full retard +--- 15345964 +>>15345195 (OP) +Why would you use a paraphyletic concept when human populations are monophyletic? So are animals of course. The paraphyly of subspecies is one of the main reasons it's a nonsense concept. You are "subspecies" of Africans in any case, and somehow I doubt you'll be happy with that fact. +--- 15346001 +>>15345314 +No, because it doesn't serve a purpose in modern biology +>>15345359 +That might have been that way originally and we do suffer from historic conventions and the fact that non biologists often operate of a 1960s level of understanding biology at best, but no biologist worth their salt would dispute the fact that the concept of a species has a lot of exceptions. +How often do wolves and coyotes interbreed in the wild? As I said, it includes behaviour. +There are plants that can interbreed easily but they bloom at different times and this are defined as different species. +Just because they can artificially be made to produce fertile offspring is not that important. What matters is what happens in the wild +Also, you are being a lot more negative than the ammount this discussion seems to be reasonably able to warrant. +--- 15346026 +>>15345964 +>a paraphyletic concept +>subspecies +Who said so ? Subspecies don't have to be paraphyletic. Some are, like species, because the original classfication was based on phenotypes, but it's generally being corrected. + +>somehow I doubt you'll be happy with that fact. +I don't know about OP, but I'm racist and i am just as fine with it as I am with being an ape. +--- 15346041 +>>15346026 +>Subspecies don't have to be paraphyletic. +Which is why I wrote the following, +>>15345964 +>You are "subspecies" of Africans in any case, and somehow I doubt you'll be happy with that fact. +In any event the paraphyletic/monophyletic intermixing nature of such a designation makes it utterly ridiculous for anything but mere convenience for geographic or similar designation. Its lack of coherent meaning would easily explain "why" you don't bother with such a classification among humans. +>I don't know about OP, but I'm racist and i am just as fine with it as I am with being an ape. +Not sure how you square that circle given how ridiculously inbred humans are. You might as well just be a general misanthrope who hates everyone but his own family at that point. +--- 15346045 +>>15346001 +>it doesn't serve a purpose in modern biology +Why is it still used then ? + +>How often do wolves and coyotes interbreed in the wild? As I said, it includes behaviour. +Then at what frequency of interbreeding do two populations become different species ? +And then we'll have to ask : how often do human populations interbreed in the wild ? We don't live in the wild anymore, but we did for millenia, and at that time there was very little gene flow between continents. +--- 15346050 +>>15345195 (OP) +>German Shepard and bulldog are both dogs, but they belong to different species +Lol, no +--- 15346051 +>>15346045 +>Why is it still used then ? +NTA. Law, convenience, ecological subpopulation preservation, etc. Nothing that would be relevant for "applying it to humans". +--- 15346066 +>>15346041 +>>You are "subspecies" of Africans in any case, +Oh I see, you're saying that an "african" subspecies is necessarily paraphyletic if it doesn't includes the rest of humanity. +But that's an easily solved issue : no one said such a subspecies has to exist. It's fine if for example, khoisan peoples are separated from other current africans into their own subspecies. + +>Not sure how you square that circle given how ridiculously inbred humans are. +We're not very inbred. There is significant genetic distance between human groups that cause significant issues in multiracial societies. +--- 15346077 +>>15346051 +>Law, convenience, ecological subpopulation preservation, etc. Nothing that would be relevant for "applying it to humans". +I think all of these are relevant to humans. I'd add sociological and anthropological concerns. +--- 15346082 +>>15345278 +>Subspecies is not a biological term that is used +this is a plain lie. don't even continue. +--- 15346087 +>>15345964 +>a paraphyletic concept +now you are just throwing around words without understanding them. +--- 15346091 +I think our anti-subspecies schizo here is one of those who think the "sub" in subspecies is the same "sub" as in "subhuman", that a subspecies is deemed inferior to a species, not a part of it. +--- 15346126 +>>15345195 (OP) +>the concept of species is not applied to humans +It applies to everything including humans, but there's only one species of human + +The definition of species is +>A group of closely related organisms that are very similar to each other and are usually capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring +That's all you need to know to see why there's only one species. All humans can breed with eachother and produce fertile offspring +--- 15346128 +>>15345218 +>>15346126 +--- 15346240 +>>15345278 +>For example, there are species of insects that look basically identical on the outside but are from different species +Yeah but we are talking about the same species and it's sub-species +Are you a leftie or a n- lover? +--- 15346257 +>>15345195 (OP) +>Can you /sci/entists explain me why the concept of species is not applied to humans +Because it's politically incorrect. That's literally the only reason there is. The solution would be to come up with an objective measure for what makes two groups different species. For instance, ability to interbreed. However, this would also be politically incorrect, since humans can interbreed with neanderthals and probably even homo erectus and possibly even chimpanzees. That'd mean that there are absolutely wild differences between people of one rase, and that's politically incorrect to the extreme. +--- 15346534 +>>15346066 +>It's fine if for example, khoisan peoples are separated from other current africans into their own subspecies. +Not really. Might as well declare each individual their own subspecies. +>We're not very inbred. +The effective genetic ancestry of modern humans is only ~7,000-14,000 individuals. Successive founder effects narrow that even further. +>There is significant genetic distance +Genetic distance is calculated different ways for different purposes, but is nonetheless an arithmetic mean. As everyone should know, the arithmetic mean is subject to being driven by rare extremes in the data. It makes it a useful tool for identifying population relatedness and distance, defined by those extremes, but not at all relevant nor useful for determining how similar most people are. Wrong tool. The right tool would be simple single base-pair differences. Even then, doesn't tell us if that 1/1000 nucleotide difference is meaningful or not. + +In summation, 1. Humans compared to most other animals are very similar to one another, 2. Most of the genetic differences are within populations because we're highly inbred subsets of Africans. +Just picking a random summary with a very large set of references and citations https://academic.oup.com/hmg/article/10/20/2199/559343 +These two facts have been known for a very long time. More recent endeavors have only more strongly affirmed both. This is to such a degree that to argue otherwise would be as wrong as arguing that Earth is flat. The notion would be contrary to all relevant evidence, and only possible to think otherwise by gross misunderstanding of, or lying about, that evidence. Even if you for some reason reject correction on genetic distance, the same pattern occurs. +>cause significant issues in multiracial societies. +I would be genuinely impressed if you have managed to do the work to establish independent causal relationship for complex phenotypes. Otherwise you're just equivocating association with causation. +--- 15346541 +>>15345195 (OP) +yeah, do I think that I am of different spiece from this picrel? yes +--- 15346615 +>>15345195 (OP) + +clearly we're sun based, move outta the way MOON FAGGOTS. + +dark > light +--- 15346639 +>>15345278 +>The way species are distinct is in producing offspring. +There are plenty of species that can interbreed and produce viable offspring, but they are considered to be different species. The Savannah Cat is one example. +--- 15346654 +>>15345278 +>The way species are distinct is in producing offspring +>Becouse they have incompatible genetalia +isn't this false? I remember a fish species that are the same in everything but their xenomorph second mouth +--- 15346664 +>>15345218 +Abos are actually closer genetically to humans (white) than niggers (blacks) are. + +You are thinking of pygmies. +--- 15346718 +>>15346257 +>Because it's politically incorrect. That's literally the only reason there is. The solution would be to come up with an objective measure for what makes two groups different species. +Yes, obviously. It is pretty much impossible to come up with a rigorous, objective definition of species/subspecies that groups humans as 1 unit while still maintaining useful divisions among other lifeforms. So the result is that the definition has to be left as vague and nebulous as possible, so that every PC position can be defended simultaneously. The easiest way for slimy leftists masquerading as scientists to achieve this is to map sociological concepts onto biology, since social constructs can be assigned arbitrarily. +--- 15346751 +>>15346534 +>Might as well declare each individual their own subspecies. +If it's more than three it might as well be 7 billions ? That doesn't sound right. +Grey wolves have 38 subspecies despite recent population bottlenecks, why shouldn't we have something similar ? + +>The effective genetic ancestry of modern humans is only ~7,000-14,000 individuals. +I thought you were talking about gene flow between populations. How does it compare with the effective genetic ancestry of other species with subspecies ? Is it on the low end of the spectrum (in which case your argument fails), or outside of it entirely ? + +>The right tool would be simple single base-pair differences. +Between populations ? That would hide dissimilarities that are due to differences in allele frequency. +After all "most of the information that distinguishes populations is hidden in the correlation structure of the data" + +>1. Humans compared to most other animals are very similar to one another, +I dunno. Genetic distance between continental groups is similar to that of wolves and coyotes. +>2. Most of the genetic differences are within populations because we're highly inbred subsets of Africans. +That is irrelevant, the remaining differences can still be significant. + +>Otherwise you're just equivocating association with causation. +We haven't established independent causal relationships for the difference in behaviour between wolves and dogs. But I think it's genetics. Don't you ? +--- 15346792 +>>15346751 +So are you a bot, or can you just not read? Guess I have to fucking spoon feed my own words to you. How fun. +>If it's more than three it might as well be 7 billions ? That doesn't sound right. +Strawman. If there's no valid formulation it cannot be said to have a stopping point that isn't arbitrary. +>How does it compare with the effective genetic ancestry of other species with subspecies +>>15346534 +>>Just picking a random summary with a very large set of references and citations https://academic.oup.com/hmg/article/10/20/2199/559343 +>Between populations ? That would hide dissimilarities that are due to differences in allele frequency. +>>15346534 +>>As everyone should know, the arithmetic mean is subject to being driven by rare extremes in the data. It makes it a useful tool for identifying population relatedness and distance, defined by those extremes, but not at all relevant nor useful for determining how similar most people are. Wrong tool. +So you're admitting, in effect, to deliberately misleading people with exaggerated quantifications of rare differences. Very cool. +>I dunno. Genetic distance between continental groups is similar to that of wolves and coyotes. +>>15346534 +>>Just picking a random summary with a very large set of references and citations https://academic.oup.com/hmg/article/10/20/2199/559343 +>That is irrelevant, the remaining differences can still be significant. +>>15346534 +>>Even then, doesn't tell us if that 1/1000 nucleotide difference is meaningful or not. +>We haven't established independent causal relationships for the difference in behaviour between wolves and dogs. But I think it's genetics. Don't you ? +Ever find wild dogs? Go ahead try petting one. While you're at it, don't get treated for rabies. Almost like your 4th grade understanding of genetics is laughably infantile. Go look up the definition of a phenotype, while you're at it a complex phenotype. No shit every phenotype "is genetic". Doesn't mean what you think it means. +--- 15346799 +>>15345195 (OP) +Because dehumanizing people is the first step in genocide. + +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization +--- 15347412 +>>15346045 +It's not used in actual biological education and modern literature as far as I'm aware. +>Then at what frequency of interbreeding do two populations become different species? +You must remember that "species" is a term with a loaded history and changing definition. Some operate on the earlier interpretations because they are not aware of the change or too stubborn to change their views. +Evolution happens incredibly slow, I don't think we ever witnessed the classic divergence of one species into two in the more "complex" taxa (have to be careful not to say "more advanced", that's some Whiggish view of evolution). There are hybridisation and other unorthodox ways, but nothing straightforward. + +TLDR It's complicated. Species is a human made concept that doesn't fit reality neatly. So it's usually case by case basis if it's not obvious. +Humans are a special case on top of that, and not just by civilization. We evolved really fast and apparently could still interbreed with neanderthals and Denisovans and other hominids because we weren't that different. +We are essentially a hybrid species ourselves it seems +--- 15347414 +>>15345278 +Why are cattle and bison different species? In fact different genuses? Is it just because the ability to interbreed is imperfect? I think the male has to come from a specific species and the female from the other, and that these specific combinations have to be followed for the breeding to work, but where is the line generally? +--- 15347419 +>>15346240 +Where did that come from? +>>15346654 +You are judging by morphology which is an outdated approach. What makes a species different is the genotype, not the phenotype +>>15346082 +Yeah, I guess I jumped the gun here. But the point is that it's a term used very carefully and mostly in relation to one celled organisms, plants and insects. +--- 15347423 +>>15345195 (OP) +subspecies is the same species +--- 15347431 +>>15347414 +Again, species is a human term that is very full of holes and exceptions because nature doesn't care to be orderly for us +--- 15347525 +>>15345195 (OP) +>German Shepard and bulldog are both dogs, but they belong to different species. + +You are functionally retarded. +--- 15347664 +>>15346799 +>is thing true or false? +>false, because i don't like the consequences of it being true +--- 15347667 +>>15347419 +>>15347412 +Subspecies designations are used more than for those, but mainly in the western world in particular and especially as matters of geological designation convenience of subpopulations or ecological preservation due to retarded legalese reasons. If you are not in the anglosphere or particularly the USA you may not be aware of the slapdash way this ended up evolving in our literature. + +In any event OP is a dishonest cunt. Or a completely retarded one. +--- 15347683 +>>15347525 +So blacks and whites are very different breeds? +--- 15347686 +>>15347683 +No. >>15346534 +--- 15347692 +>>15346534 +Why do people go to such lengths to pretend that we are all the same when we obviously are not? If your metric says that we are all the same, your metric is useless and nonsensical. + +Also, why is there no movement like this to say that chimpanzees and humans are the same? We clearly are. And we absolutely should integrate chimpanzees into our societies. All the metrics say we are the same, after all. Any evidence to the contrary is just due to socioeconomic reasons and racist lies. +--- 15347700 +>>15347692 +>bla bla bla dishonest strawmanning bla bla bla +The real question is why are racists allergic to honest conversation? Oh, wait, I answered my own question. +--- 15347920 +>>15345195 (OP) +Because shitskins can't handle the fact that whites are colored like snow instead of like a stinky brown shit log that's been sunken in your toilet like a 16th century Spanish galleon. +--- 15347938 +>>15347700 +>spout bullshit +>call others racist +This is why you need to be gassed. You're literally worthless and add nothing but noise to any conversation. Humans would be better off without you. +--- 15348340 +>>15347938 +Always find it hilarious how none of you are able to engage with high school level biology, and have to resort to lying, strawmen, and declarations of homicidal intent. Truly, you are the best among /pol/. +--- 15348403 +>>15345195 (OP) +same reason why every feature is allowed to be considered genetically heritable except intelligence +--- 15348409 +>>15348403 +You clearly don't know what heritable means. +--- 15348688 +>>15348340 +>lose an argument +>call others racists +>pretend you won +Repeat ad nauseam. Leftypol trannies are so incredibly predictable that you wouldn't even need a deep language model to imitate one. A first year CS-student could build a lefty-bot with a handful of if-then-statements. Maybe that's what you are? +--- 15348783 +>>15347667 +Interesting. I'll check it out. Wasn't such an issue in my country +--- 15348810 +>>15348688 +>Avoid engaging with any argument +>Repeat doctrine blindly +>Unsurprisingly get called racist for assuming race is causal absent causal evidence +>Throw a tantrum and declare victory after shitting on the chessboard +You know, you /pol/tards have a lot in common with flat earthers. +--- 15348817 +>>15348783 +It's an issue in the anglosphere or more in the U.S. and canada where laws and things may be based on designations and conservation efforts have to be framed among subdivisions of local populations. + +Unfortunately the motivating factor for using such designations, however arbitrary, is definitely more of a legal one than a scientific one here. Hence the dishonesty of OP's like this one. I think every single time this thread has been brought up someone has explained the same thing and been completely ignored every single time. Almost like there's an axe being sharpened on the grinding stone motivating such posts. Almost like the jannies should do their fucking jobs. +--- 15348820 +>>15348810 +>>Avoid engaging with any argument +Talking about yourself? +>>Repeat doctrine blindly +>>Unsurprisingly get called racist for assuming race is causal absent causal evidence +>>Throw a tantrum and declare victory after shitting on the chessboard +>You know, you /pol/tards have a lot in common with flat earthers. +Ad Nauseam, as I said. +--- 15348831 +>>15348820 +>Talking about yourself? +Given I am the only person to discuss the science and its limitations, let alone link any scientific article, no. +>>15348820 +>Ad Nauseam, as I said. +You, however, definitely are talking about yourself. +Feel free to actually start discussing science at any point. Such as how it isn't racist to infer causation from race given the evidence does not and cannot support such an inference. Can't wait to hear any of you try to justify that one. + +Or just keep up this narcissistic schizophasia. Making yourself look bad works too. +--- 15348840 +>>15348831 +Dismissing evidence and reason just because it points to racial differences does make you a good apparatchik, but, unfortunately, calling me a racist does not win a scientific debate. +--- 15348863 +>>15348840 +>Dismissing evidence and reason just because it points to racial differences +Feel free to quote where I did that. Or just admit your poor widdle ego is hurt because you can't engage with the actual topic and are scrambling to feel better about it to salve your narcissism. +--- 15348872 +>>15348817 +Science is an interesting cat. You can twist it to serve your goals even without lying. +Especially if you can pick and choose theories without any regard to other data. +100 studies say x but 1 say's maybe y? Easy win, write an article with y and get a lot of engagement and the truth is burried becouse no one has time and cares to correct with enough enthusiasm +--- 15348889 +>>15348863 +Your very first message to me was you calling me a racist. Which is really funny, since I put all 3 seconds of effort to my message, and it immediately broke you. Speaks volumes about how fragile your worldview really is. +--- 15348923 +>>15345195 (OP) +in real science it is + +if you consume soi and social media it isn't + +next question +--- 15349013 +I don't even know why I browse this place anymore. Man, I just want to talk about science with people and have good faith conversations about fields of study that I find interesting. But instead, every baord that is dedicated to anything requiring even a modicum of brain power is shat up by disengenuous faggots that live in echo chambers so full of pseudo-information that their reality is made up of grifted or schitzophrenic understanding of the most basic of scientific understanding. Then if you refute or engage with them in anyway, they will never enage you in good faith, only resporting to moving the goal posts or picking highly specific, nit picks in your posts. + +It's all so tiring. +--- 15349028 +>>15348889 +>Your very first message to me was you calling me a racist. +Oh, you mean the reply where you imagined things nobody wrote >>15347692 and "coincidentally" made the comparison to wanting chimpanzees in society? You know, you're right, can't imagine why anyone would think you're a racist. Tooootally no reason to infer that from that comparison at all. +>Which is really funny, since I put all 3 seconds of effort to my message, and it immediately broke you. Speaks volumes about how fragile your worldview really is. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_injury +>Admits to putting up no effort to understand what was written +>Compares not leaping to causation about race to integrating chimps into society +>Gets assmad for people noticing he is a racist +>Gets assmad people notice his lack of effort +The only thing fragile here is your ego. Grow up. Ideally past the toddler stage. +--- 15349078 +>>15349013 +There isn't any place that's any better. People who think there is only really mean "this other place agrees with my intuitions more". As science isn't about intuitions the idea of "a scientific social group" is an oxymoron. +--- 15349102 +>>15349078 +I hardly claim to be talking about intuitions, I talk more about how most people here do not, and will never engage with the scientific process. Intead, only sticking to their precieved ideals of reality, and upon conducting highly bias "research" come to conclusions so devoid of reality, or of repeatable tresting that it is literally impossible to engage with them at all. + +What this is all for? I have no idea, part of me wants to believe that they do it to find the "real" truth behind it all. But I feel thats its more people want their baises confirmed over why its kikes or niggers ruining everything. +--- 15349106 +>>15345195 (OP) +>German Shepard and bulldog are both dogs, but they belong to different species. +No, they don't. They're different breeds, not different species. + +Race is just the polite word for breed. + +Taxonomy isn't an exact science, but the genetic range and morphological differences among human breeds is particularly narrow compared to most mammals thanks to a nasty genetic bottleneck known as the Toba Catastrophe around 74,000 years ago or so, when the species was reduced to maybe a dozen extended families. If we were any closer we'd be able to pass cancers to one another the way Tasmanian devils can. + +We get this same /pol/ thread every three days though. +--- 15349109 +>>15349013 +Then a topic worthy of discussion is why do some people seek to learn and why do others seek to confirm what they already know? +--- 15349158 +>>15349109 +Beacuse most people don't want to discuss and more so wish to afirm what they already know. Or in some cases, to just be a disengenous faggot and to shitpost. +I personally, want to learn more about the subjects that I am interested in and talk and discuss and scrutinise research found. However, that is very hard to do when you are debating or discussing with people who are either misinformed or are working on a different line of logic to you. I follow and use scientific, peer reviewed papers, that I read and scrutinise against other peices I have read. To most in this thread, I am sure, would call me a kike, a nigger or a lefty faggot for doing such a thing; and instead I should collect my sources for, country tiktokers who have the entire state of israel living in their head. +The most infuriating thing that I experience the most, is the petty, pendantic chasing people do here, where people get hung up on the wrong ideas or look for such specific definitions for things, or don't understand the greater context how they are used. Ie the defintion of Species in this thread. People are arguing about the semantics adnausium and not going anywhere just claiming ad hominem or being deliberately obtuse. +--- 15349246 +>>15349158 +>Beacuse most people don't want to discuss and more so wish to afirm what they already know. +Sure, but why? Possible explanations: +>Discomfort. +Not a good argument, because they might tolerate discomfort just fine in other ways. +>Pleasure +Some people may enjoy conflict. However, from my limited point of view, that seems to me like enjoying stimulants. Conflict will exhaust a person eventually, but online debate seems inexhaustible. +>Conditioning +Communication is evolving to trigger impulses that are hard to resist or redirect. Giving in to impulses causes a downward spiral to living a reactive life. +>? +--- 15349253 +>>15346792 +Your post is a mess. Don't you know how to use a spoon ? + +>Strawman. +It's literally what you wrote. +Of course the stopping point is arbitrary. That's never been a problem for other species. + +>you're admitting, in effect, to deliberately misleading people with exaggerated quantifications of rare differences. +No, the quantification is not exaggerated as the mean is the mean, and the differences are only rare according to your arbitrary judgement. + +>Ever find wild dogs? +Yes. They lived in cities among humans and most interactions were non-aggressive because they were selected for this. You can take one of their pups and raise it and it'll be a fine pet. You can't do that with a wolf pup. +--- 15349268 +>>15349158 +>>15349102 +>I hardly claim to be talking about intuitions +You say that, and yet proceed to complain about exactly what I wrote. +>I talk more about how most people here do not, and will never engage with the scientific process. Intead, only sticking to their precieved ideals of reality, and upon conducting highly bias "research" come to conclusions so devoid of reality, or of repeatable tresting that it is literally impossible to engage with them at all. +Biases are the result of intuitions, mistaken and hastily made inferences from limited data. "gut feelings". The process you then outline of confirmation seeking to affirm that bias also follows from following one's intuitive notion of what's true. +>>15349246 +The "why" is also what I have just clarified to the opiner. The conclusion shopping follows from trusting one's intuitions over higher reasoning, and by having such trust often never bothering to develop any higher reasoning. +--- 15349284 +>>15347412 +>Evolution happens incredibly slow +>We evolved really fast +hm ? + +Besides that I mostly agree with you except that it doesn't seem to me that subspecies are not used. +They mention repeatedly subspecies here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Code_of_Zoological_Nomenclature +--- 15349319 +>>15349158 +Are you the same anon as >>15346792 ? +--- 15349330 +>>15345205 +So are races sort of like the human versian of breeds? I'm not a racists but it's obvious humans are a diverse species where humans in Japan are a bit different to humans living in the Amazonian rainforest or a German in Berlin or a Arab in Lebanon. +--- 15349345 +>>15349319 +nah, i dont like mass replying +--- 15349348 +My only problem with dividing humans into subspecies for scientific reasons is how and what are the political implications of this? I domt want some dictator somewhere using these categories to be a asshole to poeple of another subspecies. I also want to know just how would you draw the lines? What if somebody is 25 percent german. 25 percent Lebanese. 50 percent Indian. What does that make him? +--- 15349374 +>>15349268 +>The conclusion shopping follows from trusting one's intuitions over higher reasoning, and by having such trust often never bothering to develop any higher reasoning. +Honestly, I sympathize with your frustration but I also sympathize with ''schizo's''. It's obvious that most people online write the conclusion first and do the research later to support that conclusion. I'll give you that. But /sci/ does have a blind spot that /sci/ doesn't want to admit. As long as /sci/ stays stubborn like that, /sci/ will not advance the discussion with the schizo's. Not all schizo's are dishonest and /sci/ needs to be honest that no rational framework can capture reality. That's why autists have trouble connecting with people. There is intelligence beyond reason and it's not intelligent to condem everything outside a rational framework as religion, emotion, delusion or guessing. +--- 15349377 +>>15349253 +>It's literally what you wrote. +Nope. The strawman is implying I am making a continuum fallacy. I am not saying "define a heap by an exact amount", I am saying "no amount can be said to be meaningful". So why do it? What "utility" do you think you get from this, since the designation has no inherent meaning or implication? +>That's never been a problem for other species. +Never? Yet it is such a problem, and so central a problem, it is so-named "the species problem". Pure cluelessness on your part. +>No, the quantification is not exaggerated as the mean is the mean +The mean exaggerates supposed difference, as explained, due to being largely driven by rare extremes. Replying to a common observation in statistics about mean averages with blind affirmation of "but the mean tho" is not a refutation. Either you do not understand basic high school statistics, or you're being dishonest. +>and the differences are only rare according to your arbitrary judgement. +The differences are rare according to the data. Else, as explained, said data would not show the common sense result of being subsets of African populations. Namely, that differences between individuals are greater within subpopulations descended from Africans than between subpopulations. Here, too, you either don't understand how descent works or you're being dishonest. +>Yes. They lived in cities among humans and most interactions were non-aggressive because they were selected for this. +Nope. I said wild. You either don't comprehend that "wild" means "feral", as in uncared for and without human socialization, or you're being dishonest here too. +>You can take one of their pups and raise it and it'll be a fine pet. You can't do that with a wolf pup. +You can, in fact, do that with a wolf pup. Here again, dishonest or ignorant. + +As a running tally, you are either completely clueless about every single topic you raise or you're dishonest. So the bottom line is "you're fulla shite" +--- 15349400 +>>15349253 +>the quantification is not exaggerated as the mean is the mean +Same energy as picrel +--- 15349403 +>>15349390 +>It's arbitrary but I would draw the line at 0.1 Fst. +Why? at all? +--- 15349411 +>>15349374 +Well since you think you know something I don't and want to embark on this holy crusade all I can say is lol okay gl hf gg no re +--- 15349419 +>>15349374 +More specifically I'm hinting for example at mythology. Ayurveda is not a schizo in need of meds for talking about digestive fire. It just took science a while to figure out the molecular details of this concept like enzymes, acid and bile. Scientifically speaking digestive fire doesn't exist, yet the practical implications of modern science and such ancient belief overlaps. +--- 15349458 +>>15349411 +>Well since you think you know something I don't +You're misinterpreting what I wrote. We both don't know for sure, but you might want to be inspired by crazy ideas to see they have any merit. For example, if a conspiracy theorist makes a prediction that turns out to be true, you might want to investigate if at the time of prediction he had information that could reasonably be interpreted as having predictive merit, instead of rejecting it as a broken clock showing the right time twice a day. +--- 15349494 +>>15349458 +>>15349419 +Listen, Mr. Peterson, you smoke too much peyote. All I'm going to do is watch you stick your finger in that light socket because I know you won't listen. Likewise, you won't see my perspective as valid unless and until you receive a sufficiently bad shock. So there's no point in the conversation. Feel free to blame me for that right up until you receive that sufficiently bad comeuppance. +>instead of rejecting it as a broken clock showing the right time twice a day. +Case in point. I'll do so if and only if it is ever demonstrated to be otherwise. If you want to "have faith" you go right ahead. I'll watch from here with my beer in hand all comfortable. +--- 15349514 +>>15349345 +Good man. + +>>15349377 +>I am saying "no amount can be said to be meaningful" +But then that's absurd. Subspecies are widely used. The small differences that separate them are meaningful enough for that, and you're fine with it. For non-racists, it should be enough. +As for me, the utility I see is mostly political, by way of informing sociological, ecological, anthropological concerns. + +>Never? Yet it is such a problem, and so central a problem, it is so-named "the species problem". Pure cluelessness on your part. +Pure dishonesty on yours. I'm aware of the difficulties in defining species, I mentionned it here before. It's doesn't stop biologists from classifying other species, that's what I meant by problem. Do you think they shouldn't or are you just making a special case for humans ? + +>largely driven by rare extremes. +"Largely" is just your personal interpretation of it. It's just a mean. Rare extremes (btw they're found on both sides, balancing each other) enter into account and common middles values too. + +>The differences are rare according to the data. +Rare is relative. What are you comparing these difference to, to call them rare ? And what has being subsets of african populations to do with this ? + +>You either don't comprehend that "wild" means "feral", as in uncared for and without human socialization +No, you. Feral just means that they escaped human control. Populations of dogs or cats that live in urban areas close to humans are feral. But even if we used your definition, the fact that uncontrolled populations of dogs stick close to humans shows a behaviour difference with wolves. +>You can, in fact, do that with a wolf pup. +No you can't. Stop being dishonest. Wolves can be tamed like most other mammals, but they can't make pets like dogs. When people try it, even with wolf dog hybrids, it ends badly. + +>So the bottom line is "you're fulla shite" +Same to you baby. +--- 15349537 +>>15349403 +>Why? at all? +To show that human groups are not interchangeable. +--- 15349561 +>>15349494 +Do you mean that following the /sci/ is less risky decision-making? If so, my view is more like post-modernist Baudrillard than Peterson: the real has been murdered and replaced with symbols and copies. Since no one remembers the original, the murder of the real is the perfect crime. Such is the fate of science. +--- 15349570 +>>15345218 +How bloody dare you racist bigot we will not tolerate this disrispict to the First Persons of Austroilia. We must understind they are identical to us despoite being different in every way possible +--- 15349577 +>>15349514 +he invokes lewontin’s fallacy like they always do, classic libshit tactic. +--- 15349866 +>>15349514 +>But then that's absurd +Nope. You just don't get it. Invalid concepts do not have intrinsic meaning, only mere social convention. Not absurd at all. You're just ignorant. +>Subspecies are widely used. +For reasons that have nothing to do with your racism. +>Pure dishonesty on yours. +Nope. If you understood at all you wouldn't need to ask this question, +>Do you think they shouldn't or are you just making a special case for humans? +Utility. Because it is useful. Case in point, +>>15349537 +>To show that human groups are not interchangeable. +So unlike biologists who are defining terms as useful to biology, you want to define terms as useful to your racism. Hence the chronic dishonesty you /pol/tards exhibit. +>"Largely" is just your personal interpretation of it. +Nope. That is the continued demonstrated empirical fact repeated over many decades. +>Rare extremes (btw they're found on both sides, balancing each other) enter into account and common middles values too. +lol + +Genetic distance is calculated by a probability mean. The genetic distance is defined by the probability that members of different groups will share a given locus. That means that "rare extremes balancing each other" would result in no distance, as the distance is defined by definition by the rare extremes. The more rare, the more distance. + +You're so clueless you just said something that would render every group the same distance, yet said it as if to correct me. Do I really need to demonstrate how ignorant and dishonest you are further? It's like beating a drowned puppy at this point. +--- 15349869 +>>15349577 +>he invokes lewontin’s fallacy like they always do, classic libshit tactic. +Not a fallacy. Continuously empirically demonstrated fact. That book was written prior to many such hundreds of papers with all kinds of validations of the concept, as well as completely misrepresented what Lewontin was saying. + +Just because you cling to the hope Lewontin was wrong like you cling to a rosary bead doesn't mean he's wrong. It means you're ignorant. +--- 15350023 +>>15349866 +>For reasons that have nothing to do with your racism. +My point exactly retard. It is not an invalid concept, you're just bullshitting. + +>So unlike biologists who are defining terms as useful to biology, you want to define terms as useful to your racism. +No. I don't try to redefine terms, you are. Terms useful to biology are useful to my racism and detrimental to yours. + +>That is the continued demonstrated empirical fact repeated over many decades. +No. Your preferences regarding what is appropriately representating genetic distance are not an empirical fact. + +>as the distance is defined by definition by the rare extremes +No. How can you write that ? all the values enter into the mean. The rare extreme high differences, the rare extreme similarities, and the more common middle values. + +I've never been dishonest here. Just telling you straight what I think. You're the one avoiding questions, bait and switching, being obtuse. I guess you don't need to bother trying further, you won't convince anyone like that. +--- 15350037 +>>15349869 +>t. absolute retard +It is literally called a "fallacy" because it is so manifestly wrong and partisan it barely requires a response. +--- 15350069 +>>15349869 +>That book was written prior to many such hundreds of papers with all kinds of validations of the concept, as well as completely misrepresented what Lewontin was saying. + +haha, yeah okay sure buddy. any scientist worth his salt researching these matters does not align with lewontin's misinterpretations, inadverently or fraudulently, of the probabilistic nature in genetic variance between and within subpopulations. +--- 15350229 +>>15350023 +>It is not an invalid concept, you're just bullshitting. +lol +>>claims to know about the species problem +>>doesn't realize it's a problem due to contradicts, paradoxical results +>>doesn't realize a contradiction means invalid +>>doesn't realize that's why the species problem is a problem +>>claims I'm the one bullshitting +lol +>No. How can you write that ? all the values enter into the mean. +Holy fucking kek you literally are going "but steel is heavier than feathers". The fact "all values enter into the mean" is precisely why mean averages are prone to being biased by their extremes. This is middle school math. You can't understand 6th grade math. +>I've never been dishonest here. You're the one avoiding questions, bait and switching, being obtuse. +You can't understand 6th grade math but I'm the one being dishonest? Sure pal. +>>15350037 +>It is literally called a "fallacy" +>>15350069 +>any scientist worth his salt researching these matters does not align with lewontin's misinterpretations +And now that you retards shoved your feet in your mouths it's time for the reveal. + +The term "lewontin's fallacy" stems from an article written by Anthony Edwards in an essay titled "Human Genetic Diversity: Lewontin's Fallacy", wherein he concludes the following, +>There is nothing wrong with Lewontin’s statistical analysis of variation +In other words, the man you're citing who dubbed the supposed "fallacy" isn't even calling what I mentioned nor what I said has been repeatedly demonstrated empirically "a fallacy". +>only with the belief that it is relevant to classification. +Which is correct. As classification is completely arbitrary and you can define any group you want given some equally arbitrary ratio of some equally arbitrary alleles, Lewontin was wrong to use the fact to disregard classification outright. He is right, however, to disregard such classification as anything but arbitrary. +--- 15350264 +Please up your game with good discussion or put this thread out of it's misery +--- 15350290 +>>15350264 +Kind of hard to have good discussion when the people replying range from being unable to understand 6th grade math to parroting boomer memes about a paper they've never read. + +Don't blame me for the fact jannies don't purge /pol/tards like they should. Feel free to ask a question or discuss something at a higher proficiency than a flat earther. Ball is in your court. +--- 15350299 +>>15350290 +blah blah blah blah /pol/chud ramblings blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah /pol/chud ramblings blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah /pol/chud ramblings blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah /pol/chud ramblings blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah /pol/chud ramblings blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah /pol/chud ramblings blah blah blah blah +--- 15350423 +>>15350290 +you're not as good at math as you think you are, and neither was your academia lord who you seem to bootlick so much, or perhaps he feigned being obtuse because his politically inclined immaturities got ahead of his professionalism. we don't know, he's dead so we'll never be able to ask him how or why he made such a blatant faux pas that any retard would be able to understand. + +>There is nothing wrong with Lewontin’s statistical analysis of variation + +you were almost there... +--- 15350449 +>>15350423 +Oh please don't wait on my account, demonstrate for us all your brilliant mathematical insights. Feel free to use the mathjax. +>you were almost there... +That quote was the author coining the term you retards lie about. From the horses mouth. I guess to be embarrassed you'd have to be smart enough to realize how fucking stupid you are so rubbing your nose in it is a bit of a lost cause. +--- 15350760 +>>15345195 (OP) + +>Differing Phenotype = Sub-Species + +That's the main issue with the idea of subspecies in general, the DNA variance between "sub-species" is puny. +--- 15352201 +>>15349028 +Such a simple message, and you've twice now had no response to it. Just a triggered wall of text. +>can't imagine why anyone would think you're a racist. +I never denied being a racist. Reality is racist. Your anti-racist worldview, however, is thoroughly unrealistic and utterly indefensible. You'd need incredible and extraordinary evidence to support your god-awful worldview, but all you clearly can come up with is message after message of rage and screeching. +--- 15352244 +>>15352201 +>Uses a logically invalid purely socially constructed concept +>reality is racist +lmao +--- 15352254 +>>15352244 +Niggers will never be white +--- 15352265 +>>15345278 +>Subspecies is not a biological term that is used +It's pointless trying to educate the people that think "subspecies" -- even "species", but "subspecies" is particularly egregious -- is a thing. It's a vacuous label. Because it's vacuous, you can fill it with any content. You can use it as a token to stand for anything. Sure, use it to refer to human races. Other midwits will recoil in indignation, not realizing that they are, also, getting their feathers ruffled over literally nothing. +It's fruitless trying to educate these types. They are symbol-thinkers who don't realize just how few of the symbols you manipulate in your day to day life reduce to human-independent concepts. +--- 15352353 +>>15352265 +Perhaps. It is hard to know where the shocking incompetence ends, like being unable to understand middle school averages, and the dishonesty begins. Could very well be both. Like due to that ineptitude perceiving everything as one would a cargo cult, treating concepts as ritual with zero understanding. + +My money is a normal person would realize something is wrong about their idea and competence. Narcissists probably never. +--- 15352358 +>>15352265 +By the way, just in case you don't realize, the issue is hardly my or anyone else getting ruffled over a vacuous concept. The real issue is the rhetoric, and evidently utterly mistaken belief, that such vacuous labeling carries intrinsic meaning or value absent their assumptions or meaning they give it. That's kind of the whole "game" they play, whether they know it or not. Else, if they truly understood it was vacuous, they'd rightly put no value on it. +--- 15352359 +Final redpill is realizing there are no species, but kinds. +--- 15352362 +>>15352359 +PFFF get the fuck outta here only about two people will even understand that joke +fuckin natural categories/kind lmao +--- 15352382 +>>15352244 +>uses social construct as a synonym for not real +lmfao +--- 15352397 +>>15352382 +Uh, yeah, means not objective. Just because you imagine a concept and it has some arbitrary attachment to reality doesn't make the concept real. Just because some arbitrary line has some referent point to reality doesn't mean anything. I could equally claim the invisible unicorn in my room exists because gravity. It's fucking sad you're this stupid. Stop huffing ideological farts and maybe read people who aren't fox news anchors or pink haired gender studies feminists. +--- 15352602 +>>15350229 +>There is nothing wrong with Lewontin’s statistical analysis of variation +Are you an imbecile? His statistical analysis wasn't the source of the fallacy. It was the wildly incorrect non-sequitur that his analysis of 17 markers was sufficient to conclude race cannot be genetically or taxonomically valid. + +Just out of curiosity, can you tell us what your own ethnic origin is? +--- 15352620 +>>15352602 +lol somebody can't read. +--- 15352623 +>>15352620 +I wish you had told us that earlier. I wouldn't waste my time replying if I had known you couldn't read. +--- 15352673 +>>15352623 +lmao yeah sure bud you sure showed me +--- 15352681 +>>15345386 +Scientifically speaking, why aren't White people allowed to have literally anything to themselves? +--- 15353227 +>>15352681 +--- 15353277 +>>15345386 +Thats just evidence for out of africa 2. +--- 15355291 +>argue to death precisely how we should caragorize niggers +>ignore the fact that they're objectively retarded and useless +Yeah I don't really care what scientists call them, I know what they're called. +--- 15355507 +>>15352265 +>"subspecies" -- even "species", but "subspecies" is particularly egregious -- is a vacuous label. Because it's vacuous, you can fill it with any content. You can use it as a token to stand for anything. Sure, use it to refer to human races. +I don't get your argument. You can't fill it with just any content, it refers to populations of one species that show marked differences. What's vacuous about that ? +It is widely used by biologists. Are they midwits ? +--- 15355525 +>>15345278 +Tigers and lions can produce viable offspring. +--- 15355662 +>>15355507 +Nta. Invalid concepts merely have convention and such for utility. Ultimately given enough data the distinctions result in paradoxes. The utility offered by such designations are akin to a local optimum. That is, they are only useful because we have comparatively so few specimens in biology. If we had them all you would get the ring species paradox, such that any starting point results in entirely different groupings. Biologists know this, racists are just flat earther tier. + +Anyway yes you absolutely can fill it with any content. It just wouldnt be useful. But the use is motivated in biology by that utility, and such utility as it offers does not exist at all for human populations. Not least of which because any grouping is equally invalid in this sense. That is, has no intrinsic implication or meaning merely for being so designated. So the weird racist obsession with inventing some narrative that there exists som hidden truth or reality to their racist assumptions is based, from the start, on a reification fallacy. They first assume their racism is true and group likewise. The sole utility that serves is their racism, certainly not prediction. Individual traits and grouping on said traits is always the better predictor. +--- 15355700 +>>15355507 +So you could just ask, "why are you choosing to group arbitrarily instead of by actual traits?" +There is no good answer. +--- 15356640 +>>15345195 (OP) +For political reasons. +It’s not nice to think of other groups of humans as different species. +Hitler used the American genocide of Native Americans as an excuse to exterminate Jews, Poles, Gypsies, etc during the Holocaust. + +But yeah, there are probably 100 different species/breeds of humans. +But it’s not politically correct to notice it. +--- 15356756 +>>15356640 +>For political reasons. +You mean "because it isn't useful except for racism". Individual traits and proximate family history cover the overwhelming majority of use cases. +>It’s not nice to think of other groups of humans as different species. +Not even "not nice", it's just wrong. If you care about the traits, you group by trait. Grouping by something else merely for the sake of some other reason, like being an asshole, is what is "not nice". Gee, I wonder why nobody likes that? +--- 15356792 +>>15356756 +You seem very emotional as evidenced by your use of expletives. +--- 15356892 +What's the point of trying to frame human biodiversity in these terms? Just to use it as argumentative fodder for racist policies? You can enact racial segregation without scientific basis too. As a matter of fact, giving the current state of things, even if you bend classifications to get "whites" into a supposed superior category (which is hardly even possible, as you'd already need a racist scientific ethos to do that), you wouldn't be able to do much with it. What, you think you NEED scientific excuse based on taxonomy to morally justify segregation, genocide or eugenics? That's ridiculous. You'd need racism before you could tinker with scientific classification. +Racists are still just dumb moralists by the end of the day. +--- 15356915 +>>15356892 +>Just to use it as argumentative fodder for racist policies? +You're giving them far too much credit by framing it as if they're consciously aware of that. +>You can enact racial segregation without scientific basis too. +no no see if they did that they'd have to go back to being honest about being racist purely because they're retarded. +--- 15358263 +>>15356892 +>What's the point of trying to frame human biodiversity in these terms? Just to use it as argumentative fodder for racist policies? +Not only for policies, also for racist analysis pf social problems. + +For example, currently, the dominant ideology claims that there is no human biodiversity to speak of, no significant phenotypical differences between groups besides skin color, and no scientific biological basis for differenciating races. +Consequently, differences in outcomes between races are ascribed to external factors, mainly racism from whites against others, and racist policies favouring other races (sometimes excepting asians) over whites are implemented or discussed. +If we establish that there is significant biological differences between races, this logic falls apart. Policies hopefully will follow. A lot of us would already be happy with limiting those antiwhite policies, even without implementing racist policies of our own. + +In short, this scientific basis for racial differences is the core of the anti-racist argument (see how you and the other idiot insist on it) and so it became also very important to us. + +>You'd need racism before you could tinker with scientific classification. +No, you'd just need scientific honesty. By the way, the point is not to put "whites" into a superior category, that's just an anti-white fantasy. It's to acknowledge human biodiversity and the correlation between traits and populations, that's all. Doesn't matter if there's no hierarchy, doesn't matter if there's no "white" group, doesn't matter if there's 3 or 300 of them, doesn't matter if they're called race or subspecies. The only point is to acknowledge that human groups are not interchangeable. + +>>15356915 +Dishonest idiot. +--- 15358298 +>>15356640 +There is 1 species of human because all human groups can successfully interbreed. OP's image is dishonest because humans have only been diverging for 80k years at max. I dont know about crows, but subspecies can take hundreds of thousands of years to diverge despite looking phenotypically similar. +--- 15358327 +>>15356640 +>>15358298 +Also to give you an example: we know Neanderthals and humans were definitely different species (and are classified as such) because Neanderthal-human hybrids experienced infertility. Hybrid incompatibility follows a very specific pattern, with males experiencing infertility in the first generation, and about 3-4 generations later the infertility will shift to females. The large absence of neanderthal DNA on human X chromosomes tells us it underwent a bottleneck, and thus there was enough incompatibility. Also it was believed Neanderthal-human hybrids were prone to clotting disorders. + +No such problems exist in humans. +--- 15358335 +>>15358327 +Also forgot to mention, Neanderthals and humans had diverged for about 400k years by the time they met, so enough time had elapsed. +--- 15358373 +>>15358298 +>humans have only been diverging for 80k years at max. +No, at least. There might have been other divergences among sapiens before Out of Africa, and there's been introgression of genes from divergent erectus descendents into different groups. +>subspecies can take hundreds of thousands of years to diverge +They don't have to. +--- 15358448 +>>15358298 +>I dont know about crows +The divergence between hooded crows and carrion crows (>>15345359) happened in the late pleistocene, due to the glacial maximum from 25000 years ago that sent the two groups into italy/greece and spain. +They are almost genetically identical, but are considered (since 2002) to be different species. +--- 15358456 +>>15358373 +There is a gray area in how species are defined, so technically a single mutation is sufficient to produce a speciation, and that does actually happen in nature. However, the problem is that subspecies arise exclusively due to geographic variation. The single gene marks local adaptation. + +The biggest driver of human evolution is not geography, it's culture/society. So for instance this is what "race" really is, a collection of genes which exhibit geographic independence. So, if you look at Europe, MENA, India, Persia, etc. and remove all the local variation, then there's a caucusoid "core" of genes which do not exhibit geographic variation. Within these groups the main driver of evolution is the arrival of new mutations which dont exhibit geographic variation, which then spread. Same thing is happening in Asia/Africa. + +These are genes tied to culture, and since European culture has spread across the entire world, well that means humans will probably all convergently evolve caucusoid genetics anyways, just through natural geographic diffusion. +--- 15358510 +>>15358456 +>well that means humans will probably all convergently evolve caucusoid genetics anyways, just through natural geographic diffusion. +Caucasoid genetics are associated with decreased fertility. +--- 15358523 +Why is OP retarded? Do his retard genes, that exclude him from the sexual reproduction with homo sapiens sapiens, classify OP as in a species of his own? Please discuss. + +Also here's your (You), OP: +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization) +--- 15358765 +>>15358263 +>no significant phenotypical differences between groups besides skin color +I don't think even the most apt racecrafters say this. I understand that the issue of hue is relevant for discourse in America for distinguishing different "levels of oppression" between black people specifically, but a differentiation of whites and non-whites still brings over other phenotypical characteristics other than color. +>differences in outcomes between races are ascribed to external factors... racist policies favouring other races +These are all political in nature. The previously dominant "race-blind" ethos of political correctness and policies has been replaced by "positive discrimination" and it was a decision based not on scientific discoveries or a changing understanding of race - as the creed in the difference of outcomes not being ascribed to biology is not a novelty - but on changing political perception. Activism, lobby and propaganda pushed this change, politically and with a political outcome in mind. No change in science. +>If we establish that there is significant biological differences between races, this logic falls apart. Policies hopefully will follow +That's quite an assumption. Even IF you could establish that there exist relevant biological differences between populations, the manner in which you would rank these differences in terms of suitability, desirability, morality and so on would necessitate an underlying framework that would not be scientific. So let's say a certain population of blacks has a hard cap on intelligence which is 100% biologically determined. I'm skeptic that you could actually prove that, but regardless: what are you going to do with it is not a trivial question to answer and your desired political outcomes would necessitate an already politically racist framework to work on. +>No, you'd just need scientific honesty +But you admit that you just want a new taxonomy to enact racist policies. How's that honest? +--- 15358794 +>>15349284 +>>Evolution happens incredibly slow +relative to our timeframe of 50-100 years +>>We evolved really fast +relative to everything else around us at the time. + +reading comprehension is hard. +--- 15358796 +>>15358263 +>It's to acknowledge human biodiversity and the correlation between traits and populations, that's all +You just said that it's not "all". Policies would hopefully follow, no? +>doesn't matter if they're called race or subspecies +That's what this whole thread is about - that the socially constructed concept of race is substituted by a positively scientific one -, but I don't mind that you're moving goalposts. +>The only point is to acknowledge that human groups are not interchangeable. +In what way are they not interchangeable? The history of foreign populations taking over some other population confounds itself with the history of humanity. They are very much interchangeable. +If, however, you're saying that replacing the American or European white, educated, and more or less culturally homogenous populations from their dominant positions in their respective societies for foreign populations, be it black or whatever, would have significant and potentially catastrophic consequences, that can be argued. But it is a political and moral discussion, not one pertaining to taxonomy or biology in general. In the end, I still believe you just want to use it as argumentative fodder. +--- 15359161 +>>15358263 +>No, you'd just need scientific honesty. +As has been explained to you dishonest retards numerous times, the "scientific honesty" is that categories are made up for utility. All you're doing is masking off and admitting, constantly, you solely want this to further your racism. It has no intrinsic meaning nor value to abuse the concept as you are, so this rhetorical trick of yours doesn't work. + +"muh scientific honesty" the honest position is such categorizations are racist. +--- 15359174 +>>15358523 +Because this guy says so +--- 15359190 +>>15358263 +>The only point is to acknowledge that human groups are not interchangeable. +Case in point. Mask off again. +>>15346534 +>I would be genuinely impressed if you have managed to do the work to establish independent causal relationship for complex phenotypes. Otherwise you're just equivocating association with causation. +Note how at no point do any of these liars attempt to establish causation. This is a trick on my part, of course, because causation cannot be said to be established on the basis of a vacuous concept. + +If the cause of a given outcome is the trait, then the only reliable predictor would be the trait. It should be self evident how fucking retarded it is to draw arbitrary groups and then declare the groups cause the trait, which is ultimately what "muh groups not interchangeable" rhetoric is doing. +--- 15359221 +>>15345359 +/thread +--- 15359292 +>>15359221 +No it isn't retard. Go ahead, try to justify what utility doing so would serve OTHER THAN racism. I predict, no matter what you dream up, that utility is better served via other means. If you think not go ahead, I'll happily slap you around for your ignorance and lack of imagination. +--- 15359763 +>>15358765 +>But you admit that you just want a new taxonomy to enact racist policies. +You skip a few steps. But what's dishonest about that ? Politics are the reason why I care, and I make no secret of it, but my argument on taxonomy is only based on science. + +>I don't think even the most apt racecrafters say this. +"Race is only skin deep" is a common idea. +>No change in science. +Right, but it's still based on the search for an environmental explanation because biological explanations are dismissed. At first antiracists believed that race blindness would solve the problem, but differences in outcome remained, so they moved on to positive discrimination, identity politics, systemic racism. +>the manner in which you would rank these differences in terms of suitability, desirability, morality and so on would necessitate an underlying framework that would not be scientific. +Sure, if you consider that social sciences are not science. But this manner is a different matter. First biology, then after sociology and politics. +--- 15359774 +>>15359763 +>"Race is only skin deep" is a common idea. +Feel free to demonstrate causation. You keep implying there is some "natural kind". You have no evidence to suggest that is the case. +--- 15359844 +>>15358796 +>Policies would hopefully follow, no? +It's not part of the argument we're making. Yes, we hope for it, and yes, once human biodiversity is acknowledged we will use it to back our ideas just like the current denial of biological group differences is used to back anti-white policies. But as you said that discussion is for /pol/ not /sci/. + +>In what way are they not interchangeable? +Biologically. Different populations will have different levels of cognitive abilities for example. +The social consequences of this are to be considered separately. +--- 15359848 +>>15359190 +>t. retard +--- 15359882 +>>15359161 +>>15359190 +>>15359292 +No, dishonest idiot. +You're the one trying rhetorical tricks, trying to muddle the scientific issue and the political one. The fact that we're racist doesn't affect the utility of taxonomy. It has the same utility for birds, slugs, wolves, etc, as for humans. +Subspecies is a useful concept, that's all. +--- 15360001 +>>15359844 +>Biologically. Different populations will have different levels of cognitive abilities for example. +And what evidence, exactly, leads you to infer it is sensible to say that is "due to" how you've defined those populations? +--- 15360072 +>>15360001 +It is not due to how i've defined those populations, it is due to divergent evolution. +--- 15360104 +>>15360072 +>It is not due to how i've defined those populations, it is due to divergent evolution. +Okay. How? Of the 0.1% of DNA that varies between individuals, and given some estimate like only 8% of that variation (so 8% of that 0.1%) being between populations, how does that explain large differences in complex phenotypes? + +Even the largest GWAS associations do not have significant effect sizes capable of explaining that much difference from such a miniscule number of genes. +--- 15360109 +>>15345195 (OP) +>concept of species is not applied to humans +It is though. Humans are a species. /pol/ conspiracy theories don't count as science. Modern taxonomy is comparatively straightforward, we can do DNA analysis. Human races are clearly not different species nor subspecies. Morphology is not always a good indicator of taxa. +--- 15360260 +>>15355525 +Tigons and Ligers are sterile +--- 15360268 +>>15360104 +That number of genes is sufficient. + +>>15360109 +>Morphology is not always a good indicator of taxa. +By any chance can you give me a few examples of species with morphological differences between geographically separate populations, that are not classified into subspecies ? +--- 15360356 +>>15360268 +>That number of genes is sufficient. +Not according to any results of any GWAS I've ever read. Care to provide a source saying as much? +--- 15360551 +>>15360356 +it came to me in a dream diff --git a/sci/15345659.txt b/sci/15345659.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5fd5868d5803d9e9b64f4519b586f54cafb8ddd1 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15345659.txt @@ -0,0 +1,396 @@ +----- +--- 15345659 +Real talk to all /med/ guys +I'm 24 years old an almost done with med school. +Seeing what GPT-4 can do I'm shitting my pants - should I opt for a surgical career since working with your brain won't be needed in a couple of years? +--- 15345664 +>>15345659 (OP) +surgeons are the only real doctors, go for it +--- 15345680 +>>15345664 +I'd try and get into plastic surgery btw. +--- 15345748 +Surgery seems relatively safe. There are autonomous surgical robots now but it will be a while before these become widespread in clinical practice and even longer before they become unsupervised. Psychiatrists will probably also still have a job since everyone is going to lose their minds when AGI comes around. +--- 15345751 +>>15345659 (OP) +Broken bones, idk the name of the specialization +--- 15345778 +>>15345659 (OP) +If you really want to hate your schedule and have almost no work/life balance, sure (even worse than most areas of practice, that is). Unless you do like, podiatry or something. + +WebMD and the internet in general didn't eliminate the need for office visits - it just helped patients be even less appreciative and bigger assholes to us. + +Perhaps more notably - before all the chat GPT obsession, there have been multiple times over the past several years that various versions of AI programs have been shown time and time again to be more efficient and more accurate than radiologists in identifying sometimes subtle but major things on imaging... and yet, radiologists haven't been eliminated yet. + +TL;DR - Only go into surgery if you want to go into surgery. I kinda assume this is just a troll post, but regardless, chat GPT isn't anywhere near stealing medical jobs. The insurance companies wont let that happen... yet. +--- 15345842 +>>15345659 (OP) +Surgeons are quickly being replaced by robots. The only medical job to survive will be Paramedics. +--- 15345847 +>>15345778 +Google is a better doctor then you and I don't trust a doctor who doesn't rely entirely on up to date. +--- 15345855 +>>15345680 +get into hair transplants, its relatively easy and high profit. All the cuts are skin deep +--- 15345942 +>>15345847 +google is a better doctor than* you + +I don't care about the opinions of people who don't know when to use 'then' vs 'than' + +And yes, UpToDate is a great resource... but I think it is more useful if you have a medical education to go along with it. +--- 15345952 +>>15345748 +>but it will be a while before these become widespread +Bwhahahhahahahaha +--- 15345963 +>>15345952 +? + +there are no autonomous surgical robots currently in clinical use. they can currently do bowel anastomosis in research settings or whatever +--- 15346141 +>>15345963 +Yeah. The robots used in surgery are controlled by the surgeon. + +The main benefit of current surgical robots, to my understanding, is to allow for more precise movements (can help with the human component by filtering out unintended/imprecise hand movements); as well as allowing use of smaller/specialty instruments in very confined spaces (think "microsurgery" or like an extra fancy "scope" style procedure) that either A. Wouldn't be possible with a direct hands-on/instrument-in-hand approach *or* B. Would be possible but would require a more invasive approach, ie larger incision/having to move or dissect more organs/tissues in order to accommodate in-hand instrumentation. + +Da Vinci is an example of one: + +https://www.intuitive.com/en-us/patients/da-vinci-robotic-surgery +--- 15346178 +>>15345659 (OP) +ur ugly +>4/10 +--- 15346183 +>>15345778 +>WebMD and the internet in general didn't eliminate the need for office visits + +Doctors just started requiring them to renew basic prescriptions because western medicine is parasitic. + +Google is a better doctor than you, and the only reason you disagree is because you're used to having your ego inflated by the word, 'doctor'. +--- 15346187 +>>15345952 +They are specifically designing robots that require the surgeon still there to avoid the whole labor issue. + +I actually had a conversation with a team developing one and that's what I gleaned (as the manufacturing engineer they were contracting). +--- 15346611 +>>15345659 (OP) +I’ve been using GPT-4 for a couple months now and as I’ve started to understand it I’ve realized the key things: it’s chief aptitude is writing and understanding code, and everything else it is frustratingly, sometimes engagingly bad at. + +As a consequence, I’ve realized what tremendous midwit frauds SV is. SBF/EA and all these should have been a clue. But we’ve conflated $$ and hype with intelligence, and it’s time for the reckoning. +--- 15346622 +>>15345855 +>get into something that is literally already being automated +Are you sure that you are a doctor bro? +--- 15346627 +>>15346611 +>SV +>SBF +>EA + +What do these things stand for anon? +--- 15346629 +>>15346183 +>have pink eye, go to the pharmacy to get necessary eye drops, need a doctors prescription plus 6 million goy bucks. +Doctors are gay and parasitic, piss off, if I want to diagnose myself for little things, let me. +--- 15346644 +>>15346627 +SV=Silicon Valley +SBF=Sam Bankman-Fried (crypto swindler jew who used EA rhetoric to swindle people) +EA=Effective Altruism (philanthropy cult for autistic tech nerds) +--- 15346693 +>>15345659 (OP) +Nice feet. +--- 15346698 +>i'm not gonna have a job as a doctor because of a chatbot + +yeah you're too retarded, try working at petco or something +--- 15346807 +>>15345659 (OP) +>Seeing what GPT-4 can do I'm shitting my pants +You did not get through medical school. +There is not a single medical specialty that is in danger. +--- 15346813 +>>15345842 +Those guys are retards though +>t. infectious disease +--- 15346826 +>>15346693 +What are the scientific consequences of shoving them into your mouth? +--- 15346871 +>>15346622 +Are you telling me the price per hair is down? +--- 15346912 +>>15346629 +>if I want to diagnose myself for little things, let me. + +But then all those years of med school won't pay for themselves, anon. +--- 15346941 +>>15346826 +Scientifically speaking, my penis would experience a swift erection +--- 15347048 +>>15346644 +Well what you said is true anon thanks for clearing it up. + +Its not the hardest working the smartest or most talented that win. Its a kabbalah of well connected people that are willing to do anything it takes. Power is not given to the best man but rather the man most willing to cheat this however is temporary power +--- 15347093 +>>15345664 +fpbp +--- 15347150 +>try to diagnose a binocular vision problem +>idk bro it's CI +thanks chat-gpt, want me to prescribe a plus add for that too? +--- 15347558 +>>15345952 +It turns out our motor skills are much better than our intelligence. Who would have thought +--- 15347563 +>>15345778 +>I kinda assume this is just a troll pos +I assume your reddit spacing is also a troll +--- 15347565 +>>15346141 +In my hospital they only use davinci for some prostate removals. Anything else apparently takes longer and needs more cuts +--- 15347567 +>>15346629 +>I haVE pINk eYE. +Just wait until you get a glaucoma attack and go blind despite your eye drops +--- 15347570 +>>15346807 +When I talked to the radiologists at my uni they were like: muh we won't have to look at thorax x-rays anymore and can focus on all the cooool stuff the robots can't do. All they'll be doing is ultrasound since you need hands for that +--- 15347572 +>>15347150 +I'm at the beginning of my career. What do you think will happen once they include shit like that in the training data? We're rapidly approaching singularity +--- 15347784 +>>15346629 +Based. Verification not required. +--- 15347808 +>>15347150 +They will have a bot at the eye clinic to tell you to put your chin on the machine and to look directly into the light +--- 15348296 +>>15346629 +Why didn't you opt to become a doctor if it's so great? +--- 15348366 +>>15345847 +>Google is a better doctor then you +Than* + +People like you sort yourselves out well enough. +--- 15348478 +>>15345847 +t. inbred schizo retard who thinks he can diagnose himself using webmd and treat himself with colloidal silver and ivermectin + +If you unironically think a schizo retard with access to a internet search engine can outperform a doctor who has literally spent years studying science and medicine, then you are truly a complete fucking moron. +--- 15348512 +>aiiieeeee i'm totally a doctor and i'm so scared of ai! +>aiiieeeee i'm totally an animator and i'm so scared of ai! +>aiiieeeee i'm totally a developer and i'm so scared of ai! +--- 15348519 +>>15347808 +unless that bot has hands to manually readjust the patient without breaking their geriatric neck, it wont be enough. +--- 15348642 +>laymen thinking chatgpt will replace doctors +the day chatgpt replaces us is the day it has already replaced every other job +--- 15348779 +>>15345664 +--- 15349132 +>>15345659 (OP) +Surgery is a meme too, sadly. +ChatGPT is surprising because it is displacing cognitive labor while manual labor is still as in-demand as ever, if not more so. You are trying to escape that fate by going into a technical job, but you're neglecting WHY manual labor is protected. The issue is that robotics are extremely expensive. Replacing a welder with a fully-automated robot would be a remarkable reduction in profits. +For highly complex technical tasks however, like a 200k/yr surgeon, replacing the person with a robot is cost effective. Surgery is at the forefront of robotics research, in fact. The main issue is that the process can never be standardized, each procedure is slightly different. But this should be resolvable within <20 years. +Simply learn to use AI. They will always need a human to push the button. If they don't, we will burn the country down until they do and none of this matters anyway. +--- 15349170 +>>15348642 +See >>15349132 +Diagnostics is like Machine Learning 101 and it will always be infinitely better than doctors at that task, which is what is getting a lot of press. +The issue is designing treatment plans, ensuring the plan can operate in the real world, managing the business, performing procedures themselves, and having the licensing credentials. +In practice, we will end up doing things to restrict the development of AI. For example, we will probably start strictly limiting the number of accredited lawyers we produce, even more so than we've already done. However, these are only temporary solutions. +The thing is, though, that medicine doesn't have to be "fully replaced" by AI or anything. People will happily use free, online diagnostics because those AI bots will have similar or better performance to real doctors. Doctors may just become a vehicle for inputting symptoms and then proof-reading an AI generated treatment plan, making small modifications like using a cheaper alternative or avoiding side effects that they know the patient has a particular discomfort for. It would kill the ethos of the profession and jeopardize wages for people in it. It also further erodes the need for doctors at all. We may essentially turn hospitals into giant nursing departments. +--- 15349185 +>>15345659 (OP) +CSlet here. I've heard this fearmongering in every field as of late. Wouldn't worry about it, since, if it really replaced docs. CSlets would lose their jobs too. Engineers, lawyers, etc. you name it. + +I'd give it a few years and ride the wave, jump ship when it gets blatantly bad. But as of now, just keep it in the back of your mind. Remember, it can't create novel ideas, and clueless marketing is dicking around as well, so things are bound to be pushed in your face everywhere. +--- 15349211 +>>15349185 +Also, another thing to keep in mind; calculators didn't replace mathematicians. It became a tool for the job. May be the case here as well. +--- 15349228 +>>15349185 +>>15349211 +The issue is that we just don't know what the limit is. Maybe it will generate novel ideas. It can already run pretty self-directed. +--- 15349242 +>>15349228 +I think that AGI (and the Internet, included in that) will be for cognitive labor what the industrial revolution was for manual labor. Manual labor jobs will exist, but they either are paid next to nothing or require a high-level skill and licensing, or at the very least have some unique trade off like living on an oil rig for weeks at a time. +People were making fat stacks on things like data analytics and code-monkeying. Either their wages must plummet or they must learn to use AI to develop higher quality product, whatever that term means in their specific field. +--- 15349317 +>>15345659 (OP) +Would, and I'd enjoy it thoroughly too +--- 15349393 +>>15346644 +You seriously think everyone easily knows wtf this stands for. + +You gen-z retards and your gay desire to use acronyms to sound cool. +--- 15349415 +>>15347567 +>Holy shit a glaucoma attack just flew over my house. +Nigger, if i start losing my eyesight my first thought isn't to get anti-bacterial drops you fucking brainlet. I also never said there is no need for medfags but half the shit general practioners do is bs. +>t. Former med scribe fag +--- 15349826 +>>15349170 +>patient inputs symptoms doctor outputs diagnosis +I can smell some failed mediocre stemfag behind this simplistic thinking. Half my patients are mentally incapacitated for several reasons. Then there is children etc etc. The job is so complex and every situation is different + +AI can't do medical work unless it is AGI. Real AGI +and if we have real AGI all jobs are null and void as is humanity. + +AI can howver put a dent into stemfag jobs and salaries and I am allowed some schadenfreude because the same stemfags have been trying and trying to replace doctors for 30 years now with no success whatsoever + +You better have sharp elbows stemfags +--- 15349832 +>>15345659 (OP) +Why weren't you in surgical to begin with? +--- 15349838 +>>15349242 +Yeah, that's what data scientists do. Large companies also have so many leaders who don't understand data science and AI/ML and suppress them. They try to absorb them into software engineering so they can justify leadership positions over roles they don't understand +Fuck Indians +--- 15350659 +>>15348519 +Some imported nigger can do that +--- 15350669 +>>15350659 +have you seen what they do to geriatrics in nursing homes? also, i dont think they can handle being around such complex equipment without their instincts kicking in to break or steal it. +--- 15350670 +>>15349415 +If you start losing your eyesight in a glaucoma attack it's already too late. What I'm trying to tell you Jonathan is that everyone can come up with a diagnosis, but the differentials are also important +--- 15350672 +>>15349826 +Exactly. Ask the demented patient to input their symptoms. Ask the child. +I see it everyday, patients using Google to figure out their symptoms, but if you don't know what symptoms you can have, you can describe them properly. That's why it always spits out cancer. +Patients get caught up on the most mundane symptoms while completely neglecting the important ones. +--- 15350674 +>>15349832 +Still in med school +>>15349838 +Doctors who come up with their own treatment plans are frowned upon unless they're one of the 1% of super experts in their field. Otherwise use UpToDate or be a crank +--- 15350676 +>>15350669 +You need to understand that geriatric human life is not important to anyone. But my point remains, you don't need more than a week of training to position the patient's head +--- 15350701 +>>15350676 +>why don't you know how hard it really is? +--- 15350905 +>>15350674 +I don't really trust doctors to begin with even if they stick to typical treatment plans. They memorize through college and don't know how to think for themselves. The top 1% probably can think and justify it is why that happens. The "frown upon" is probably because another doctor looks at it and they can't justify the plan. I agree with that but if course there are good doctors who break the mold. If you're still on med school, look at how much you know be can put together things that aren't just facts you've memorized. If you still can't think, please don't try to do anything outside of what you've already experienced and been trained by someone else to do +--- 15351019 +>>15345664 +this, go with heart surgery or plastic surgery +--- 15351558 +>>15350670 +Not too worried, I get that puff of air at the optometrists office for +15 goy bucks. +Also who tf is Jonathan, if that was a random guess I am pretty impressed bc it's close but no, just stop fag. +--- 15351958 +>>15345659 (OP) +tits with a timestamp or get the fuck out +--- 15352042 +>>15345659 (OP) +Hey anon, I get where you're coming from, but I think there's more to it than just jumping ship to a surgical career. While AI like GPT-4 is advancing rapidly, it's still not a replacement for human doctors. AI can assist and make our lives easier, but it can't replace the human touch, critical thinking, and empathy that are essential in medicine. +Instead of worrying about being replaced, focus on how you can use these advancements to your advantage. AI can help with diagnostics, research, and even mundane tasks, but it'll still be up to you to make the final decisions and provide patient care. +So, don't stress too much about it. Medicine is still a solid career choice, and there will always be a need for skilled and compassionate doctors. Embrace the technology and learn how to use it to improve your practice. You'll be just fine +--- 15352050 +>>15345659 (OP) + +Don't worry anon, ChatGPT is not designed to replace doctors or any medical professionals. While AI has made significant advancements in healthcare and medicine, it cannot replace the critical thinking, empathy, and judgment of human doctors. + +AI tools like ChatGPT can help doctors by providing them with access to vast amounts of medical information, aiding in the interpretation of complex medical data, and assisting in the diagnosis of diseases. However, ultimately, it is up to the physician to make the final decision on treatment plans and patient care. + +Moreover, doctors are not just responsible for treating medical conditions, but they also provide emotional and psychological support to their patients, which is not something an AI can replicate. Medical professionals also offer a personal touch to their patient care, which is not something an AI can provide. + +Therefore, it is important to remember that AI technology is not a substitute for human doctors, but rather a complementary tool that can enhance their capabilities. As a soon-to-be medical graduate, you will have a unique set of skills and knowledge that cannot be replaced by an AI language model, and you will be able to provide valuable patient care that AI cannot. + +In summary, while AI technology is advancing rapidly in the healthcare industry, it cannot replace the judgment, empathy, and critical thinking of human doctors. So, there is no need to worry that ChatGPT or any other AI language model will replace doctors. +--- 15353980 +>>15350905 +>Muh doctors just memorize cope +The human body is complex and we don't understand it fully. Like any proper science (unlike math) we cannot deduce everything so we have to have studies. You can't treat a patient like an experiment, so you'll have to stick with the options that won't get you sued. +--- 15353986 +>>15352042 +>human touch, empathy +nurseoids can do that too +>still not a replacement for human doctors +what about in 20 years +--- 15353989 +This is an AI post you dumb fucking nigger +--- 15353992 +>>15352050 +>>15353989 +AI generated content looks so fucking similar +--- 15354070 +>>15353980 +That doesn't mean doctors should be oblivious to underlying mechanisms or just follow standard procedure when the situation is quite different without investigating why a 28 year old has a blocked artery... +--- 15354111 +>>15354070 +>muh blocked artery from doing cocaine +You've been watching too much Dr. House. +The underlying mechanisms are just models we have. Only for very few diseases we actually know fully what's going on. +--- 15354118 +>>15349211 +Calculators replaced calculator (woman). Retard. +Math has nothing to do with what calculators do. +--- 15354239 +>>15354111 +Well when you're young it's not from cholesterol, so keep thinking before you just angeoplasty and expect it to be good. Very strong key indicators for thorassic outlet syndrome so the underlying mechanism is external pressure closing it, not blockage from within. But dumb fuck doctors just want to angeoplasty and move on +--- 15354311 +>>15353986 +>nurseoids can do that too +Sure, nurseoids and other robotic aids might help with some aspects of patient care, but there's a long way to go before they can truly replicate the deep understanding and intuition that human medical professionals bring to the table. + +>what about in 20 years +Predicting the future is always a bit of a gamble, but it's important to remember that technology and medicine are constantly evolving together. Even if AI and robotics advance significantly in the next 20 years, there will likely be new challenges and complexities that require human insight and adaptability. +--- 15354827 +>>15354239 +>thorassic +>>15354311 +nurseoid = nurse +>require human insight and adaptability +You vastly overestimate human intellect - there's nothing that makes us special, no spark, no sould +--- 15354835 +>>15345664 +surgery is basically a highly advanced trade, and tradies are going to be the most difficult to replace by AI. All other fields of medicine are glorified chatbots comparably. This anon is correct. +--- 15354840 +Someone is going to approve and certify all the AI prescribed treatments. Engineers didn't go out of business when calculators and computer modeling turned up , they still stamp the results to save liability. + +Your job will be the same, you will take on liability for the office just like you do now with PAs and NPs +--- 15355329 +Never mind. Chat-GPT is still on nurseoid level +--- 15355334 +>>15354827 +Only comment is pointing out phonetic spelling. This is why AI will replace your job, whatever job you go into +--- 15355338 +>>15355329 +>A blood clot in the leg also known as DVT +This happens when you just compare semantics +--- 15357180 +>>15353992 +That's only because of the 'ethical constraints' on Chat GPT. +--- 15357187 +>>15357180 +Not really, it goes to show how much tweaking is necessary behind the scenes to turn an LLM into a chat bot. The three paragraph - one summary structure has been put there by developer +--- 15357382 +>>15345659 (OP) +>I'm 24 years old an almost done with med school. +>since working with your brain won't be needed in a couple of years? +this is what spending all your time in school does to a person +you have a fundamentally naive idea of how the labor force and world works. How slowly shit gets done. Get a job that you think you can tolerate for 50 years +--- 15357411 +>>15345778 +Insurance companies have no true power all you have are CEOs allocating their capital perhaps even embracing it +--- 15357486 +>>15345842 +Manual jobs are not safer from automation just because we dont know yet how to automate them, but also because buying robots is much more expensive then downloading software. AI that can replace computer jobs can become widespread in a single month, automating people with robots and making sure they are the right kind of robot and not some scam that breaks one year later can take up almost a decade. +--- 15358656 +>>15357411 +>Insurance companies have no true power +oh you sweet summer child... +--- 15358815 +>>15350672 +>Ask the demented patient to input their symptoms. Ask the child +How about, "ask the nurse paid a fraction of what the doctor was to input the demented patient's / child's symptoms" diff --git a/sci/15346155.txt b/sci/15346155.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1afe7cf25b20353b17948acdd11937cbb7b1dece --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15346155.txt @@ -0,0 +1,193 @@ +----- +--- 15346155 +You own an impressive bookshelf, overflowing with a wide range of mathematics and physics textbooks, in addition to numerous works on philosophy and various scientific fields, don't you? On Sunday mornings, it seems that you often choose to spend your time engrossed in some of these math textbooks, thoroughly studying and solving every problem that the books have to offer, all the while savoring the warm and soothing taste of Lipton tea, right? + +"No?" I'm intrigued by your response. What do you mean by "no"? . Don't you want to follow in the footsteps of this esteemed physicist and Nobel laureate, Richard Feynman? +--- 15346164 +Are you poor? All those paperbacks, they'll fall apart and are trash, nigger +--- 15346194 +>>15346164 +Worse, they are pirated paperbacks. He's so poor he cannot even afford the real paperbacks. +--- 15346198 +>>15346155 (OP) +>wide range of mathematics and physics textbooks, in addition to numerous works on philosophy and various scientific fields +Why are you such a midwit? +--- 15346199 +>>15346155 (OP) +I used to but then i ran out of toilet paper. The average american use a roll a day +--- 15346201 +>>15346194 +wtf are pirate paperbacks +--- 15346205 +>>15346194 +Did you just assume my gender? +--- 15346211 +>>15346155 (OP) +>warm and soothing taste of Lipton tea +Calling Lipton yellow "tea" is an insult to all tea drinkers around. +--- 15346214 +>>15346201 +I bought these books online. They were shipped from Glory China, and each book cost about 12 USD +--- 15346215 +My wife doesn't allow me to put my textbooks on the shelf in the living room. She says they don't belong there and her friends would consider me a weirdo if they saw those books. But apparently her "Shades of Gray" and similar trashy erotic novels are perfectly fine for our guests to see. +--- 15346220 +>>15346214 +Not worth it. I pay like 20-30 bucks for a hardcover and like 50 max for a used hardcover, but at least its not chinese toilet paper +--- 15346224 +>>15346220 +Well, for some books, I really need the correct edition that matches the instructor's solution manual. It's quite difficult to find physical textbooks, so printed eBook PDF files are much easier and cheaper +--- 15346232 +>>15346215 +You're both retarded so it works out. Textbooks are trash tier shelf material +--- 15346246 +Who do some scientific authors insist on trying to be funny.? +The amount of bad word-puns makes pic related almost unbearable to read. +--- 15346256 +>>15346232 +Make the classy choice +--- 15346402 +>>15346155 (OP) +>Don't you want to follow in the footsteps of this esteemed physicist and Nobel laureate, Richard Feynman? +Because Feynman did all of his work on Sunday mornings? +--- 15346459 +>*chuckles* +>pulls out his phone +--- 15348447 +>>15346201 +They are printed illegally. It's pretty common in China and India (where OP is from). Novels used to be pirated often. Count of Monte Cristo was sold pirated for the longest time in English speaking countries. +--- 15349959 +>>15346215 +literal cuck +--- 15351754 +>>15348447 +I didn't know this even existed. Must be real poor places.. Here a used book is like 50 cents and goes up to perhaps 50 bucks if anything, no need to illegally print anything +--- 15351781 +>>15346220 +>chinese toilet paper +Those are used by cheapskate western publishers for books to be sold in China. I presume the pirated books have much better paper. +>>15346215 +cuck +--- 15351828 +>>15346198 +This. It's like a 10-year-old's conception of what an "educated person" would be like. +--- 15352170 +>>15346155 (OP) +>philosophy +Stopped reading there. Pseud detected. +--- 15352184 +>>15346155 (OP) +I lost my copy of the great gatsby because I didn't put it on the shelf after reading it and now I can't finish it. +Fuck. +--- 15355279 +I have the Internet which is worth 10,000 bookshelves +--- 15355806 +>>15346155 (OP) +Philosophy books are a waste of time. Science is knowledge. Philosophy is imitation knowledge consumed primarily by people incapable of the real thing. I have never had that kind of tea but I like any kind of hot drinks so I would try it. +--- 15356689 +>>15346155 (OP) +>numerous works on philosophy +--- 15357614 +>>15356689 +This is so cringe. Every normal person just knows the scientific method. But OP needs like a dozen books about "how science works" and is probably proud of his "u cannot know nuthin" ignorance. +--- 15357634 +>>15357614 +>Every normal person just knows the scientific method. +Yes, I'm sure. That's why alternative medicine is not a good business model. +--- 15357664 +>>15357634 +That's easily explained. Doctors are ignorant, greedy and lazy. Nothing to do with science in general. +--- 15357814 +>>15346155 (OP) +It's took me a long time to realize that I rarely post on here anyways. +--- 15357833 +>>15346215 +Cuck +--- 15357905 +>>15346155 (OP) +A pop-up book? Are you fucking with me? +Also: +>dictionaries +>grammar books +>X for Dummies +>metal bookshelves with ID number +>locking, sliding doors +>chairs stacked in the bottom right +This is obviously a school library shelf. You didn't even have a home bookshelf to photograph. Pathetic. +--- 15358141 +>>15346155 (OP) +--- 15358247 +>>15346155 (OP) +textbooks are for classrooms and school libraries +my bookshelf is mostly full of scifi and fantasy novels, along with some aristotle, copernicus, kepler, newton, einstein, and hawking +--- 15358369 +>>15358141 +You have not even opened any of these. +--- 15358383 +>>15358247 +Who are your favorite sci-fi authors? +--- 15358516 +>>15358383 +jules verne is my all time favorite. i also enjoy frank herbert, ray bradbury, hg wells, and isaac asimov. +--- 15358530 +>>15358141 +wow +--- 15358561 +>>15346215 +you should beat your wife more often. +--- 15358659 +>>15358141 +wow, looks bretty bad, i mean the condition of the books and also paperbacks in toilet paper quality. Why? +--- 15359078 +>>15358369 +>>15358141 +I have. Most of the books I used for classes in the +past and a couple others for reference. + +>>15358659 +Some of the books that I found near the college +library or handed to me had wear and tear over +the years. So I had to be careful with them as +I used it for reference and putting them back. +The paperbacks are not like those international +or 3rd party outfits, they're legit Oxford, Cambridge +Dover, etc. with a good thickness to the pages. +--- 15359084 +is this the stack thread? +--- 15359087 +>>15346201 +when pirates hijack a cargo ship and sell the booty +--- 15359089 +sorry wrong picture +--- 15359094 +>>15359089 +cumfag detected +--- 15359138 +>>15346155 (OP) +i use pdfs +--- 15359181 +>>15346155 (OP) +I prefer to spend my weekends getting my sick wet +--- 15359304 +>>15359084 +I'd crack open that book from the shelf and read +the contents, if you catch my drift. +--- 15359325 +>>15358141 +This book? Thinking of picking it up. +--- 15359350 +>>15357833 +Cult-of-Passion-face...like some mockery of both flesh and metal, both detest you. + +Be your own man...become what you are, not what others are. +--- 15360480 +>>15359325 +>>15358141 +I used this one from dynamics class. Doesn't go +deeper than linear algebra and ODE's. Plenty +of practical examples and questions to do, with +introductions of chaos and dynamics topics to +get the taste of the whole branch without going +too deep. Good for reference and practical usage/ +/primer for further topics in dynamics and chaos. + +Pic related is part of its table of contents. diff --git a/sci/15346241.txt b/sci/15346241.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ceeeaf58d5058596760a3c95f0c0254f71a261d6 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15346241.txt @@ -0,0 +1,416 @@ +----- +--- 15346241 +>Eric Stewart, who left his $190,000-a-year job, has had five of his six studies taken down after allegations that he fabricated information by altering sample sizes. Though Stewart has denied these allegations, his sixth study, conducted in 2020, drew the attention of an FSU committee, who gathered to discuss Stewart’s findings, per the Daily Mail. +... +> However, four additional articles by Stewart, published between 2006 and 2015, were taken down by Florida State University. The university reportedly carried out a three-person inquiry into Stewart’s dealings. Stewart went on to say that Pickett “lynched me and my academic career.” +... +> Pickett noted that there is a “huge monetary incentive” to fabricate data, and there is “no accountability.” He said that there was only a tiny chance that anyone who does this would be caught. + +https://humanevents.com/2023/04/12/black-fsu-professor-resigns-in-disgrace-amid-allegations-he-faked-data-on-commonality-of-racism-had-6-papers-retracted +--- 15346243 +Yeah it's totally worthless and this people will never be real scientists, you can't make white out of black, they are not smart they never will be, no authority will change that +--- 15346262 +>>15346241 (OP) +data authenticity is a white man's social construct, oppressively imposed on black academics to keep them down. +--- 15346548 +>>15346262 +this, brotha +--- 15346559 +Ah the things we do to save the world. +That professor did nothing wrong. +If neo nazis won't spray paint a swastika, you have to do it yourself. + +I can't believe nazis are so bad at being racist that the black professor had to fake the data +--- 15347154 +>>15346559 +everything in academia is fake +none of the academics have an conscience about being dishonest and manipulative, they take pride in doing so. +--- 15347167 +>>15347154 +>this is cool and could be useful! +vs +>this will get grant approval from a government or foundation bureaucrat +--- 15347226 +>>15347167 +>don't blame these hoplessly greedy leeches for their lack of conscience, they have no will of their own +i thought academics were all supposed to be super high iq, but you're saying they're the intellectual equivalent of plant life +--- 15347274 +>>15347226 +>you're saying they're the intellectual equivalent of plant life +Yes. +--- 15347394 +>>15347226 +Being intelligent and educated does not equal having strong principles. +You can easily justify using your ability to game the system and be a leech. Why would you not do that? +--- 15347444 +>>15346262 +>data authenticity is a white man's social construct +unironically this +--- 15347450 +>>15346241 (OP) +Apparently these accusations were already happening 3 years ago +https://youtu.be/FfzlS5vS314 [Embed] +--- 15347457 +>>15346241 (OP) +get paid 200k to do social science bullshit. +I fucking hate this system so much /sci/bros. +--- 15347849 +deeper and in more fields than you think +https://www.bmartin.cc/pubs/96ce/5_Hillman.pdf +--- 15347877 +>>15347450 +As christianity wanes the expectation of truth and honesty vanishes. +I wonder where we will be when there is no shared moral framework remaining... +--- 15348004 +>>15346262 +we wuz data kangz +--- 15348009 +>>15347877 +Stop trolling. Pastafarianism is obviously the answer. Belief in supernatural food is the only way to be moral and unite society. +--- 15348012 +>>15346262 +>data authenticity is a white man's social construct +It's a joke but it's true +--- 15348016 +>>15346241 (OP) +is this "Racism" in the room with is right now? +--- 15348058 +Now what about the big journals? +--- 15348259 +>>15347877 +> As christianity wanes the expectation of truth and honesty vanishes. +This unironically. Without the universalism of Christianity there is a splintering of humanity where scientific publications become about bolstering your legacy and your tribe against other people and their tribes. +--- 15348425 +>>15348009 +I love seeing fedoratards from 10 years ago coping with what's going on today +Here it is, a Godless society! This is what you wanted, a rational society where science rules, why aren't you happy? +--- 15348469 +>>15348425 +>implying morals didn't exist in non-christian societies ever +how retarded are you +--- 15348479 +>>15348012 +It is true, everyone knows it's true. The basic argument is that they should get positions in science anyway, mostly for the money, but also because they intentionally want to subvert and destroy as much as possible. +--- 15348502 +>>15348425 +>rational society +Where? +--- 15348515 +>>15348494 +>the scientific method was developed exclusively by christians and for christians +*laughs in ancient greek* + +i dont blame you though, the records were probably lost in one of the many books your religion burned +--- 15348687 +>>15348515 +>*laughs in ancient greek* +You're aware they didn't have any science right? Aristotle's "physics" was just philosophy. No math models, no predictions of dynamic objects (and incorrect ones if you took it literally), no true method for obtaining systematic knowledge. Everything else is cope by historians so obsessed with finding "firsts" that they neglect any and all technical meaning of what they were searching for. That's how you end up with midwits declaring scratches on bones to be proof of "math" being a 100k year old invention. + +Science is only 800 years old, and between Bacon and Newton there was no physics except for unrelated predictive astronomical modelling by Copernicus, Galileo etc. + +And no, "science" does not mean "knowledge". Science is short for "modern science", which was explicitly developed to reject most of the worthless and superstitious knowledge found in the more delusional corners of Alchemy and non-IE philosophies. It was indeed developed by the Christians of Western and Central Europe, and based on their system of the world. To this day, the uninitiated still fail to understand, except for having the vague idea of material benefits it provides. +--- 15348719 +>>15348515 +Empiricists in Ancient Greece were few and far between. The problem is with you retards who think science is all about daydreaming up advanced theories about how things work that are "known" to be "correct" because of how "beautiful" the math is, even though you've neglected to check back in with reality and test your theories to see if they actually worked. Aka Platonism, which is 99% of what the Greeks ever did, and is what string theorists do today. +--- 15349095 +>>15348550 +>>15348687 +>>15348719 +>all those words of coping +go worship your zombie jew, christcucks +--- 15349113 +>>15349095 +You will never be an empiricist. Pagan platonism will never take you to the Moon. +--- 15349125 +>>15347226 +>i thought academics were all supposed to be super high iq +Maybe 60 years ago. At this point, I wouldn't expect to find any that are high IQ outside of math, chemistry, physics, engineering, and compsci. And even within those fields the percentage is dropping every year. +--- 15349166 +>>15346241 (OP) +Oh, a black guy exaggerated racism. Wow! Stop the presses and ignore all peer reviewed science! (Never mind that an attempted peer review is apparently how he got caught.) + +Idiots. +--- 15349244 +>>15346243 +nignog here, i can confirm this, been struggling to publish even one paper after 4 years in my phd program + +i just can't focus enough to write anything smart or useful or novel +--- 15349269 +>>15349113 +>moving the goalpost from "church invented soience" to "you will never be an empiricist" +you will never be a real philosopher +christian theology is glorified astrology +christian history is glorified fanfiction +--- 15349286 +>>15346262 +>>15347444 +>implying +No, this nog is just late to the party + +http://mathsci.free.fr/survey.pdf +https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S104160801000035X +https://research.tilburguniversity.edu/en/publications/the-dangers-of-unsystematic-selection-methods-and-the-representat +--- 15349321 +>>15349286 +>H.L.J. (Han) van der Maas +what an honorary sub-saharan african +--- 15349412 +>>15349269 +>"church invented soience" +I never said that. What I said was this: >>15348719 +--- 15349573 +>>15349095 +>t. Finally read Aristotle for once in his life and found out I was right + +Hurts doesn't it? It hurt for me as well. +--- 15349887 +>>15349573 +Repeating yourself doesn't make you any more right than arbitrarily restricting the definition of science to fit your argument, cucko. + +>>15349412 +see above +--- 15349890 +>>15349887 +>arbitrarily +Everything predating the Scientific revolution has always been called Natural Philosophy. I am being very precise in my use of the term. You are having an ESL moment. +--- 15349892 +>>15349513 +>he thinks empiricism is above philosophy +do christcucks really? +same christcucks that couldnt accept empirical evidence that earth revolves around the sun? +lmao you guys change your opinion with the trend, pretend you came up with them, then expect to be taken seriously. +--- 15349894 +>>15349890 +oh no its been called by another name that means it is definitely something else + +nice argument retard +--- 15349896 +>>15349887 +Show me the Greek empiricists doing real science. There should be lots of them, right? +--- 15349907 +>>15349896 +>real science +meaning what - formalism made by your christcuck heroes? +aristotle created the scientific method and you already know that so youre either pretending be retarded or have some retarded definition of """real""" science in your christcuck mind + +>>15349901 +learn to read between the insults retardinho, you're on 4chan +--- 15349908 +>>15349892 +Hey fuckwit, he's not the one talking about empiricism, I am >>15348719 >>15349113 . I'm not talking about christianity either, I'm talking about your claim of the ancient Greeks doing science >>15348515. Vanishingly few of them were doing science, they were all lost up their own asses wanking it to the mystical implications of geometry and similar platonic horse shit. If you aren't doing empirical experiments to test your theories, then you aren't doing science. +--- 15349909 +>>15349907 +You can't even keep the people you're trying to talk to straight. +--- 15349910 +>>15349908 +>again arbitrarily restricting the definition of scientific method to fit your apriori chosen conclusion +typical christcuck revisionism +--- 15349913 +>>15349909 +use a tripcode if it bothers you faggot +--- 15349917 +>>15349910 +>experimentation is arbitrary +Experimentation is the very essence of science. Experimentation, trying things to see if the work, separates the wheat from the chaff. If you refuse experimentation, you are worse than a witch doctor. +--- 15349927 +>>15346241 (OP) +What should the actual punishment for intentionally fabricating scientific experimental results be? +--- 15349929 +>>15349917 +>nobody ever did experiments before christcucks +experiments nothing more than observations in controlled environment you colossal brainlet and people did them from the beginning of civilization +--- 15350052 +>>15348425 +Do you seriously think I'm joking about the FSM? He exists, he is real, and we need him to guide our morals. Objective truth doesn't even exist unless you believe in the FSM. Our belief in him will unite us, creating a moral society free from the divison you see in ridiculous belief systems like christianity. Without pastafarianism, society will collaspse. Thats why you see gender ideology when pastafarianism is absent, like at universities. +--- 15350294 +>>15346241 (OP) +nigs gonna nig +but this is literally "He fabricated data, instead of fabricating an observation that just supports a thesis" +--- 15350356 +I feel bad for the competent blacks just trying to be responsible like a sane human. So much of the surrounding culture is hyperfocused on race and victimization. It wouldn't surprise me if this is all because of the threat of Occupy. The entrenched powers put their energies into fostering this kind of divisive ideology as a means of ideological judo. + +The major confounding factors to the SJ narrative is that black people tend to have lower average IQ, and not that much of their culture is explicitly academic or intellectual, so it shouldn't be surprising they underperform in universities and the high tech economy. This could be due to generational stress and trauma, epigenetics, various forms of psyops, or simply divergent population genetics. It's almost certainly a combination of all the different factors, though the relative weights are not easily knowable. +--- 15350360 +>>15350356 +Shut the fuck up worthless talentless schizophrenic leftoid trash +--- 15350362 +>>15350360 +>ad hom +That means you lost. Sorry you got triggered. Do you want to go back to your safe space? +--- 15350373 +>>15350362 +If I insult you beat you up and you are still scientifically wrong it means you have triple-lost. +You should aknowledge the embarrassment worthless trash +--- 15350390 +>>15350373 +If you verbal abuse and resort to voilence over not understanding something, you are an ape. You are the woke evergreen retard resorting to rioting because charles murray was going to give a talk at a university. You are fundamentally the same. You won't be able to self-reflect. You are not capable of it. You will stick to your safe space where you will never improve your beliefs or allow yourself to get offended. I would push you until you are forced to challenge yourself, but if you ever actually thought critically about your beliefs you'd probably end up suicidal due to cognitive dissonance and emotional immaturity. +--- 15350403 +>>15350390 +Didn't read, skill issue, cope +--- 15350494 +>>15346241 (OP) +Turns out we actually solved racism back in the 90s and the only people keeping it going are kikes. +--- 15350528 +>>15350390 +>verbal abuse +Sorry you were abused +--- 15350618 +>>15346241 (OP) +Why are you saying 'muh peer review' when it worked how it was suppose to in this case and his studies were eventually proven fraudulent when thoroughly examined by his peers? How can you say there is no accountability when he is literally being held accountable for his fabrications because of peer review? +--- 15350621 +>>15350618 +Because peer review didn't work. It took an outsider with an axe to grind to criticize him publicly, meanwhile he was published by "peer reviewed" journals who didn't catch the obvious fraud. +--- 15350626 +>>15350621 +>It took an outsider +Not according to the OP where it says he was audited by an internal FSU committee rather than an outsider, you fabricator. +--- 15350632 +>>15350621 +>>15350621 +Also the guy who whistleblew, Picket, was his Co-author on an earlier paper, a literal peer in the most strict sense of the word, who brought the fabrications to the attention of the school and committee, not an outsider at all, you fraud. +--- 15350633 +>>15350626 +He was audited because a co-author and colleague of his called BS on his paper and demanded the college investigate, which it took almost a decade for them to actually get around to doing. In fact they covered for him from 2011 until 2020 when the same colleague came after him again for another fraudulent paper. +--- 15350635 +>>15350632 +He was a co-author on a 2011 paper that Stewart edited against his wishes, which still managed to pass peer review and withstand criticism despite the original data being published publicly. 9 years later he finally got in trouble for another paper which Pickett wasn't related to at all. +--- 15350640 +>>15350632 +>a literal peer in the most strict sense of the word +Confirmed for not having any idea what peer review is kek. "Peer review" isn't done by your peers, it's done by gatekeepers in a journal. If you publish in a multidisciplinary journal there's a good chance one or more of your reviewers isn't even from the area you're publishing in. They have their own hand-picked gatekeepers and you'll be lucky if they're actually people at the cutting edge of the field. +--- 15350644 +>>15350633 +>>15350635 +All I am hearing is that the peer review process worked in weeding out his fraud and you think 9 years is a really really really really really really really really really long time. +--- 15350646 +>>15350640 +Corporate gatekeeping of information is the news business, not the peer review step of the scientific method, you are the one who is confused. +--- 15350647 +>>15350644 +>peer review fails to identify obvious fraud +>journal publishes and fails to retract despite evidence from co-author +>man makes 190k/yr churning out fraud for 9 years +>only punishment is having to change jobs +--- 15350649 +>>15350646 +>the peer review step of the scientific method +kek this is good bait +--- 15350656 +>>15350647 +>>peer review fails to identify obvious fraud +It didn't though, OP posted the article specifically because the peer review process identified fraud that led to 6 papers being retracted by the university. +--- 15350658 +>>15350656 +Peer review is the PC term for the gatekeeping journals do before publication. It doesn't literally mean review by your peers. +--- 15350667 +>>15350658 +No, it literally means review by your peers and has existed for centuries, well before corporate journals existed as toll collecting gatekeepers. +--- 15350802 +>>15349244 +>nignog here +--- 15351469 +>>15350802 +you seem upset +--- 15351479 +>>15350667 +>Existed for centuries +Of course you make stuff up and even after viewing my comment will think yourself to be right +--- 15351512 +>>15351479 +peer review is a maoist struggle session against dissenters who refuse to +t r u s t +t h e +s o y e n c e +--- 15351530 +>>15349894 +Yes, it literally does you uneducated dolt. Especially when the discipline was founded precisely to destinguish it from the another one. +--- 15351844 +>>15349910 +>i hate christians +bigotry & prejudice +christians invented antibiotics, airplanes & electricity, do you enjoy your ingratitude while using those? +non-christians invented gay anal sex, do you enjoy that? +--- 15351879 +>>15351844 +nooooo now he's gonna call us christcuck another twenty times :(( +--- 15351917 +>>15351844 +No really smart person in history was genuinly christian. Of course if you point a gun at them and force them to say they are dumb enough to believe in magic they will say yes, but all of the scientific advancements have mostly been made by atheists. It has been shown again and again that top scientists don't believe in magically creatures with zero evidence is existing, which is obvious if you're not retarded. +Christians are just child abusers who push their delusions onto children because they can't handle their cognitive dissonance. Cope, seeth, and dialte groomer. +--- 15351937 +>>15346241 (OP) +As a human, I express concern about the allegations against Eric Stewart. The situation emphasizes the importance of research integrity and the need for transparency and accountability in academic research. It's unfortunate that these incidents can have a negative impact on the trust people place in scientific findings, as the vast majority of researchers conduct their work honestly and diligently. +I would also mention that while it's essential to address such cases and investigate them thoroughly, it's important not to rush to judgment until all the evidence has been reviewed. If the allegations are confirmed, it would be crucial to reevaluate the research environment and implement measures to prevent similar incidents in the future. +--- 15352189 +>>15351917 +you probably wouldn't be alive today with antibiotics, shameless ingrate. your attraction to atheism is because you feel entitled lead your life amorally and selfishly. you'll invent any lie you can to justify that, you'll never do anything decent for anyone other than yourself, the antibiotics which saved your life time and again were worse than wasted, the rest of us would be better off without you. +--- 15352302 +>>15352189 +>you'll invent any lie you can to justify that +Says the airhead who, as an adult, still believes in literal magic deities. +Your entire life is coping for the fact that your god doesn't exist. Smart people disagree with you because you're wrong. +--- 15353543 +>>15352302 +>Smart people disagree with you because you're wrong. +you disagree +your self assigned high iq is just a grandiose delusion, you don't have any evidence to justify your delusion, lots of stupid people think that they're smart, dumb people get things wrong all the time +--- 15354267 +>>15353543 +Its been well verified over and over that religious people tend to have lower intelligence. Your inability to reason apparently goes beyond your belief of fictional characters being real. You'll jerk off to the thought that blacks have lower iqs, but when it comes to another verified iq difference between groups, you can't handle it. Your offended, and you need to retreat into your safe space. Go back to church, were you'll be surrounded by other retards who believe mythology is reality. +This is a science board, and we are discussing iq differences between groups. If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. +--- 15354365 +>>15350646 +>the peer review step of the scientific method, +You fucking retard. +--- 15354376 +>>15354365 +Holy shit the guy you quoted is a retarded worthless college children piece of shit +--- 15354461 +>>15349244 +that's most people nowadays. They're carried to a PhD by a good advisor or collaboration with a professor, then quickly fall out of the rat race for tenure. They go on to teach at community colleges in the middle of nowhere and half heartedly struggle to publish anything of note for the rest of their lives. +--- 15354537 +>>15349125 +theres nobody high iq in any of those fields, STEM is just a status symbol for people who falsely claim to be intellectually superior but have no legitimate means of demonstrating it. +>b-b-but muh memorized formulas and factoids +useless +high iq people would be able to figure out a legitimate use for their knowledge other than publishing papers nobody reads, stemfags can't accomplish that +--- 15354589 +What do y'all expect him to do? The demand for white supremacist racism far outstrips the supply. Do you expect him to go work for McDonald's instead of academia just because society won't supply him with the racism he needs for his data? +--- 15354631 +>>15346241 (OP) +he dindu nuffin, he was a good boi doing science and shiet. +--- 15354635 +>>15349244 +I have this same problem, but I'm White. The IQ pill is demoralizing and tough to swallow, I'm thinking about just being a tradie. +--- 15354645 +>>15349894 +It was a means to accurately describe how the world works, now it's just a political weapon. All of the best science has already been done, we're just along for the decline of science as an institution. +--- 15354672 +>>15350646 +>theres no gatekeeping in muh scientific journals +>reviewers would never have an agenda to protect a political narrative because muh science comes FIRST +I remember undergrad +--- 15355719 +It is quite funny how much emphasis of placed on peer review and how almost nobody bother with replication. It really is just information control to keep the grants flowing to chosen theories people have invested their careers in +--- 15355729 +>>15346262 +Is that why MLK is still considered some fantastic guy by many people despite plagiarizing his thesis in *checks notes* theology? +--- 15355741 +>>15355729 +das rite +--- 15355898 +>>15354589 +How can I profit from this supply & demand imbalance +--- 15356591 +>>15355898 +If you're white, grow a mullet and charge appearance fees to show up places wearing klan robes or a confederate flag. +--- 15356596 +Sometimes ppl ask where do those drama and acting school students with 300k student loans end up? +>>15356591 is where they end up +--- 15358451 +>>15355729 +His "peaceful marches" were every bit as peaceful as BLM was in 2020 +--- 15358985 +>>15355729 +>plagiarizing +it was ghostwritten by a jew like his speeches diff --git a/sci/15346458.txt b/sci/15346458.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..14a82f4771d636b940e3b5c863e8db50fc056c1f --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15346458.txt @@ -0,0 +1,261 @@ +----- +--- 15346458 +Why do you guys hate this book so much? +>discuss +--- 15346518 +written by a canadian +--- 15346647 +>>15346458 (OP) +>Scalculus +--- 15346906 +Because it's written in an accessible way with lots of worked examples, colorful diagrams, and it even comes with a study guide. A real textbook should be terse, offer little more than theorems and their proofs, and preferably translated from some Eastern European language and out of print. +--- 15346979 +>>15346458 (OP) +>Why do you guys hate this book so much? +We do? +*Turns to the right, slightly. Gazes upon that exact book on his bookshelf.* +I didn't know that we do. +--- 15347356 +I don't think this board hates Stewart's Calculus book at all. It's the go-to recommendation for brainlets. +It's very common for people here to recommend Real Analysis textbooks, but as far as computational Calculus (i.e. what engineers and economists really need to learn) goes, Stewart is about the only one that people here bring up, even though there are hundreds of other good Calculus textbooks that have more or less the same approach as Stewart's. +--- 15347360 +>>15346458 (OP) +I hate this book because it is gay and sucks also. +--- 15347376 +>single variable +Its just so gay and thinks the reader is a retard. If you read this you most likely are tho. + +Try Calculus: a compelte course +--- 15347466 +Anybody who learns calculus from a textbook is fake and gay, unless you're doing real analysis. +--- 15348857 +>>15346458 (OP) +bump +--- 15349060 +>>15346906 +Based and Mir pilled. The uploaded scan should preferably be missing a few pages. Real mathematicians can fill the gap. +--- 15349951 +Math is so fucking retarded +--- 15349984 +>>15349951 +Maybe it's just you? +--- 15349988 +>>15349984 +Enjoy slaving away +--- 15350247 +>>15349951 +Math is the language of God +--- 15350601 +>>15350247 +God is a retard +--- 15350614 +>>15347466 +This. Calculus is pathetically easy and should be intuitive to you if you're not a retard. Not even shit stirring. If you need a textbook for single variable calculus (not analysis), you are NGMI and also NIGGER. +--- 15352030 +>>15346458 (OP) + +can confirm. They tried to make me buy Spivak or Apostol and told me to absolutely avoid Stewart +--- 15352035 +Math is suspicious +Sometimes too good to be true +--- 15352037 +>>15352030 +>Spivak +Meme but decent and better than Stewart +>Apostol +Advanced and should be a choice for a second read. You are mentally disabled if you really got Stewart instead +--- 15352052 +>>15352037 + +where are the colorful diagrams in Spivak? Sorry but I don't follow you here. +--- 15352073 +>>15346458 (OP) +stewart and similar books such as thomas are the go-tos for massive normie calculus courses, and for a good reason: +>tons of exercises +>answers in the back +it’s that simple. normalfags can’t learn in lectures, they have to literally go home and study for hours before they understand something. stewart and similar have shorr 3-to-6-page sections followed by 2 to 3 pages of exercises. so any normalfag with a tiger mom or an adderall prescription can practice the chain rule for 40 hours a week until they eventually get it through their thick skull and get their hopelessly devalued degree +--- 15352084 +>>15352073 + +this is exactly what I was looking for. +--- 15352086 +>>15352073 +>normalfags can’t learn in lectures, they have to literally go home and study for hours before they understand something +kek today I learned I'm a normalfag +--- 15352096 +>>15352073 +This makes me imagine that the highest order Universities that are most competitive and cost the most would actually offer less assistance and guidance paradoxically Topsy Turvy world +--- 15352125 +>>15349951 +I don't think the development has slowed down that much +--- 15352131 +>>15350614 +>He didn't know complex analysis in the womb +Brainlet +--- 15352276 +>>15352131 +>Needing a woman to help you with Analysis +ngmi +--- 15352287 +>>15346458 (OP) +1. It's unnecessarily large. It occupies too much space. +2. It's not the most rigorous calc book out there. +3. It's not the most intuitive either. +So all in all, it's an alright book and there's a reason so many courses use it, but there are simply better calc books to learn from. +--- 15352399 +>>15352073 +This is literally literally how I introduced myself to analysis: first I studied each topic with a book (Gilbert) with a lot of applied examples and conversational style, and only after this I used a book with more rigor to study the theory more deeply. + +In general I don't like lectures, as I cannot usually keep up with them. I am a brainlet so I have to derive each equation on paper to really understand them. +--- 15353094 +>>15352096 +No. It's the upper mid-tier that are like that. The upper tier have far too many richfags (who are normies themselves) and typically suffer from grade inflations. + +Upper-mid tier, basically universities with well-known and accomplished professors, but not ivy league or off-ivy, (a.k.a. high tier state schools) are these flavors. Basically if the tuition cost is low as shit, but it still has a lot of well known professors, be cautious +--- 15353121 +>>15352096 +>the highest order Universities that are most competitive and cost the most would actually offer less assistance +More competitive means better buddies. Better buddies means more survival. You should be relying on each other even more than you rely on the teachers and TAs. +--- 15353165 +>>15346458 (OP) +As a Calc instructor, its fucking 2023, nobody gives a shit about the textbook + +Stewart comes with WebAssign which has a full set of homeworks and quizzes with a huge bank of questions to draw from for custom assignments, many of them with integrated tutorials or videos explaining concepts. There are also a set of powerpoints and example videos but they are kinda mid + +I'm not sure if Apostol and Spivak even have online platforms, I wouldn't think so, but anyway learning from a textbook might work best for a certain type of turboautist but an integrated digital learning platform is far more effective for the vast majority of students + +And yeah, it's a terrible textbook for math majors but they're like less than 10% of calc students and should have AP calc credits or be in honors anyway +--- 15353634 +>>15352287 + +at this point why don't you provide good alternatives? + +>>15353165 + +now this is what I call a well learned Gentleman. +--- 15353717 +>>15350614 +Why did bill gates need a basic Calculus text after retiring from Microsoft? Surely someone that took Math 55 wouldn't need such a basic book to work through. Yet he did. +--- 15354016 +>>15353165 +>an integrated digital learning platform +Absolutely disgusting. +--- 15354017 +>>15352073 +meaty +--- 15354049 +>>15353165 +And then peoplr are forced to buy a new book, instead of an used one, because of the shitty online thing. +--- 15354065 +>>15346458 (OP) +because most people here (math and physics as well) are narcissistic assholes that think they're above everybody else and shitting on an introductory calculus textbook feeds their superiority complex +--- 15354088 +>>15352073 +Amazing bait kek +All the advice I've seen from top performers is to engage with the material before lecture in order to see how the lecturer presents the material and patch up any holes +--- 15354110 +>>15350247 +God here, no math is not my language. My language is proto-semitic. +--- 15354356 +This is the best calc book unironically +has the right combination of rigor, applications, examples and exercises +--- 15354458 +>>15350601 +Based Spinozist +--- 15354514 +>>15352035 +The proof of the first proposition of Euclid Elements have gaps and errors + +The early calculus was very useful despite being fully inconsistent at its core + +To preserve rigour computer programs are checking proofs, but these programs also have bugs +--- 15355077 +>>15353165 +That coves the American way (which has long since forgotten Apostol). Now what do students in smart countries use? +--- 15355087 +>>15355077 +They use WebAssign or khan academy, because it's not "smart" to use learning methods from the 20th century instead of adapting to modern technology +--- 15355102 +>>15355087 +WebAssign is just middle where bullshit to make it easier for lesser men to teach and grade calculus. It's technology optimized to make money and target below average students. + +What are students using in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Russia, Austria etc? I guess I'll include the UK since they still have 'OxBridge', but not sure if diversity has pushed them to Americentric methods. +--- 15355106 +>>15355102 +*middleware. +--- 15355115 +>>15355087 +It's the material not the medium that matters. Give the students Polya and Szego's Problems and Theorems in Analysis I/II in a series of tiktok videos, and suddenly it's better? +--- 15355120 +>>15346458 (OP) +Author is a faggot +--- 15355140 +>>15353165 +>I'm not sure if Apostol ... have online platforms +In the '90s, CalTech produced Project MATHEMATICS which he was a involved in. The use of animation to demonstrate calculus topics was revolutionary for its time. Peak Americana before the collapse into niggerdom really. + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpxWyJg4_1A&list=PL8_xPU5epJdchhIkbjCPJM7m2anGUq9JT&index=1 [Embed] +--- 15355148 +>>15355102 +>What are students using in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Russia, Austria etc? +Well, I can guarantee you this anon, they are not using 20th century English language textbooks. +--- 15355155 +>>15355140 +Also for physics, and really closer to intro calculus there is "Mechanical Universe" and there's a corresponding textbook (or series?) if memory serves. + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtMmeAjQTXc&list=PL8_xPU5epJddRABXqJ5h5G0dk-XGtA5cZ&index=1 [Embed] +--- 15355162 +>>15355148 +That's the line you draw. Just cut off everything pre 2000 and declare it useless? Fascinating view into the mindset of a retard. +--- 15355165 +>>15354356 + +nice I like it +--- 15355180 +>>15352073 +>normalfags can’t learn in lectures, they have to literally go home and study for hours before they understand something +So literally everyone but one or two people are normalfag. +--- 15355186 +>>15355140 + +Beautiful. Exactly what I was looking for +--- 15355204 +>>15355186 +Check these out too. Calculus Revisited is a set of old video lectures from MIT taught by Herbert Gross. Black and white, but completely legible, and has a very affable instructor. There's another series by the same guy for multivariable. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFRWDuduuSw&list=PL3B08AE665AB9002A [Embed] +--- 15356820 +>>15355140 +Yes, this is the late night public access type video +I would get into. Educational and stimulating. +--- 15356862 +>>15355140 +I really enjoyed this, it soothes my autism, thanks for sharing + +>>15355115 +>>15355162 +It's not about the year, or just being online, fucking tiktok videos wouldn't be very helpful + +It's about an integrated learning environment where you get multimedia examples and explanations, practice problems, and immediate feedback + +This is just as readily available as a digital etext, more available than a printed textbook. It's also more effective than a lecture format, if you are a truly driven turboautist you may be able to maintaim focus long enough to learn just as well from a textbook but the vast majority of students, even the smart ones don't have the attention span these days and you should be honest in yourself assessment and not let an inflated sense of your own intelligence push you into suboptimal learning strategies. + +In an honors class the instructor should be providing some additional focus on proofs and rigor, they'll usually just use the institution standard digital text and platform as the base. +--- 15356914 +You have to be mentally disabled if you can't learn Calculus out of any ordinary book and rely on an internet platform with gazillion of examples. What even is an integral? Just a bunch of fucking sums, are you retarded? Do you NOT understand? Whats a derivative? Nigger its just a tangent and/or secant on a curve. If you are too stupid to understand this then any kind of fisherprice app wont help you anyway +--- 15357181 +>>15356862 +>It's about an integrated learning environment where you get multimedia examples and explanations, practice problems, and immediate feedback + +yes this is what I was looking for. Thank you, I will go for Stewart and brilliant. +--- 15357199 +>>15356862 +I probably fit the definition of turbo autist, but of course I can appreciate any good diagram or video which better explains a concept. The problem with these "integrated learning environments" is that they're very geared towards basics and the types of problems that can be graded by multiple choice. As soon as you move to more complicated mathematics, the web-based resources disappear, and it's back to just the textbook and perhaps a video lecture. + +In my personal opinion, those types of things are geared towards profitability for the publisher, and make learning simple concepts far more drawn out than they need to be, to the extent that I think it gives the illusion of learning and progress -- a really good example of that is the DuoLingo app for learning languages. +--- 15357248 +Stewart isn't necessarily bad and I would say not hated at all, but there are much better books. Courant, Apostol and Anton all have much more comprehensive and more rigorous books. +--- 15357259 +>>15347360 +Stewart was gay for real. +--- 15359123 +bump diff --git a/sci/15347277.txt b/sci/15347277.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7923f3b8d6c3581a4e19e31df8a86cf20c992af0 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15347277.txt @@ -0,0 +1,441 @@ +----- +--- 15347277 +Hold still edition + +Previous: >>15313759 → + +We discuss research, DO NOT offer advice (just fucking go see your doctor), make fun of premeds and shitpost. +Keep vaccination/clamping/vitamin K/soliciting advice out of this thread and start your own because it takes a lot of space. +--- 15347284 +>>15347277 (OP) +First for fuck AI doomposters. +You have to be legit retarded to think that Doctors will get replaced any time soon +--- 15347289 +>Keep vaccination/clamping/vitamin K/soliciting advice out of this thread and start your own because it takes a lot of space. +how come the medical community is so dead set on willfully ignoring it's worst problems? no desire to improve at all? +whats the latest research on the ever increasing amount of avoidable deaths and injuries inflicted on patients by incompetent physicians? does the fact that this problem has been on the rise for the past quarter century suggest that physicians have been becoming increasingly greedy & amoral or does it show that their iq has been getting lower? +--- 15347291 +Why don't we have this shit? The west is really missing out on some long-term IQ boosters. +--- 15347297 +>>15347277 (OP) +>have to give and receive periocular injections soon +wake me up. +--- 15347437 +>>15347284 +>First for fuck AI doomposters. +literally just finished my shift and left a room full of ED doctors talking about how we're all getting replaced by AI lol +--- 15347825 +>>15347437 +Yeah but we ain't +--- 15347828 +>>15347825 +That's it boys, we've declared AI done. +OpenAI just saw this comment and decided not to release GPT-6 after all. +--- 15347898 +>>15347437 +so what? every midwit thinks le "AI" is going to take over, why not doctors? +--- 15347909 +Got lucky with one MD professor at my uni who knows internal medicine like the back of his hand. All I want is to get into an internal medicine/infectious disease fellowship. +--- 15348020 +what do you guys use for your notes and studying? what is your notes+studying setup? +I only use word to write and read notes but i am looking to upgrade to something better +--- 15348242 +>>15347898 +Cause we ain't midwits. +--- 15348245 +>>15348242 +Of course +--- 15348414 +>>15348245 +Thanks for noticing. +--- 15348491 +Medbros, does taking antipsychotics will make my brain smaller and dumber? +--- 15348559 +>>15348020 +a sketchbook so I can doodle shit on them while taking notes +--- 15348563 +>>15347277 (OP) +Caught a show on TV last night where they do plastic surgery on people while they're awake. +--- 15348631 +>>15348563 +EZ with an epidural. Face procedures would be more difficult and may come up with the risk of nerve injury so general anesthesia is best. +--- 15348643 +>>15348491 +You should avoid antipsychotics unless absolutely necessary for something like schizophrenia with harm command hallucinations. There are better mood stabilizers in bipolar and the benefits are probably not worth the risks in MDD. +--- 15348652 +>>15348643 +With that sort of thinking, we won't be able to prescribe antipsychotics for sleep anymore. Just take more if you're still not sleeping enough. +Wokeness has gone too far +--- 15348658 +>>15347277 (OP) +The TMDSAS data for this cycle shows the average Texas matriculate has a 3.89 GPA and a 513 MCAT (90th percentile). It's getting rough out there. A lot of current doctors would never have been accepted under these standards. +--- 15348675 +To the anon yesterday who helped me, i stopped being a pussy and called intox line. +They told me laundry powder isnt that toxic and that if I drank enough water to piss a lot I got it out of my system, stomach feels like shit though, what to do now? Considering half a spoon was ingested they first asked me if I was talking about a cup or half a cup, am I. +Given my stomach feels odd, am i going to die or suffer organ damage? +--- 15348691 +>>15347291 +>dopamine receptor antagonist +>IQ booster +Pick ONE (1). Outside of cholinergic and GLU enhancement, the only possibility this will enhance IQ is if it antagonizes only the autoreceptors which increases dopamine. +--- 15348711 +>>15348675 +No, you're not going to die. At this point two different anons plus poison control have told you you'll be fine. +You will, in fact, be fine. Stop eating detergent in the future. +--- 15348713 +>>15348711 +I feel gassy and sharp pangs on sides and stomach though, I waited say an hour before drinking water once i realized +--- 15348717 +>>15348713 +That's the finding out phase that comes after fucking around. +Hopefully you learn from that. +--- 15348725 +>>15348713 +Ever tried being less of a retard? +--- 15348732 +>>15348725 +>>15348717 +Is this anon right though? >>>/vg/425850489 +--- 15348745 +>>15348732 +The cells lining the inside your mouth and throat get completely replaced on a roughly weekly basis. +Yeah you might have killed a bunch of cells early. Maybe you'll get cancer at 81 and 11 months instead of 82. +--- 15348803 +>>15348745 +But the sharp pain, are those my insides melting? Feel it up to my chest and lungs +--- 15348808 +>>15348803 +Definitely your lungs melting. Maybe your central nervous system, also. +--- 15349010 +>>15347284 +>>15347437 +With AI coming, is it too late to go into medicine if I won't be able to start med school for another 2-3 years? I wanted to go into surgery/ophthalmology, but I could see these more physical fields becoming extremely competitive if IM/EM/GM/derm/radiology/pathology all become displaced by AI. I could even see a lot of other nonsurgical specialties getting displaced too if both AI and mid-level scope creep are considered. +--- 15349026 +>>15349010 +If you are this retarded, don't bother getting into it +--- 15349067 +>>15349010 +yep, it's too late for you. I suggest being a full-time imageboard janitor +--- 15349071 +>>15349010 +As a person in tech who follows AI very closely, I think things are going to move slower in medicine because of all the regulations, and people not tolerating any mistakes. + +The way it works today is that people do their work, and sometimes they ask GPT a question either to bounce some ideas off, or to answer a small thing. + +The goal for the next couple years is to flip that around. +In a few years, we want people to collaborate with the bot to come up with a plan, then have the bot start doing 80% of the steps (all the tedious, boring, or easy to automate parts), and only consult the human when it's stuck on a small well-defined substep of the plan. +So instead of you doing the work, and asking questions here and there, the bot will do the majority of the work at high speed while you watch, and it'll and ask you to intervene here and there to solve the small things it doesn't know how to do yet. + +Given that the current #1 trending code project is a hastily made first draft attempt to do just that (AutoGPT), at the current rate of progress we should have an actual working version less than 5 years from now. If it takes a full 10 years, that would be a surprise. + +But all in all, you're probably pretty safe in the medical field, compared to other people. It's possible we'll have the first fully autonomous bots way before regulators approve of bots making medical decisions. +The fun part starts when the bot becomes able to earn money doing freelancer work on its own. Then it can start shell companies as one of the sub-steps of its plan, employ real people to build things in the real world. Then focus on growth, make your first million, fill in the blanks for what happens next. + +That might happen before AIs take your job, in which case there's nothing to worry about, since the world will be too different for your career choice to matter a single bit. +--- 15349120 +>>15348020 +the lecture pdfs/ppts+microsoft notepad. +if they make me draw pretty pictures of nerve pathways, then i use microsoft paint. +--- 15349218 +>>15347277 (OP) +I am 'bout to drink raw milk Kefir for my gut issues after the second ferment. Hope I won't catch GBS and die of meningitis, wish me luck. +--- 15349481 +God it must suck being a pediatric gynecologist. Everyone must think you're a pedo. +--- 15349530 +>>15349481 +That spec don't exist afaik. Pediatric population doen't have gynecological issues. +And if they are sexually active then they are treated by a regular gyno. +--- 15349665 +>>15349530 +Anon, I think you might have just crushed his ambitions there. Very inconsiderate. +--- 15349802 +I coughed a few days ago and decided to spit and I saw a bit of blood in my spit +Three days later I'm in the shower and I decide to spit and there's blood in my spit but I didn't cough +I had just eaten a lot of watermelon before each time and so I think the blood was just watermelon in my saliva, I have very thick saliva for some reason +Is this kind of thing common? People panicking about symptoms but it's actually pretty innocuous? +--- 15349804 +>>15349802 +You are fucked bro. +--- 15349811 +>>15349071 +My question wasn't necessarily about AI outright replacing doctors, since as you mention it's a regulatory nightmare and a complex, multisensory diagnosis process for most specialties. Plus I imagine most patients would appreciate the physical interaction with a doctor and prefer having a highly educated human and AI working together on their case. + +My main concern is how AI might make human doctors (or PAs/NPs) significantly more efficient at their jobs to the point where fewer doctors would need to be hired in many specialties. Thinking about it a bit more though, it seems like this may not be the case. AI would certainly make human doctors *better* (e.g. by providing relevant info about a recent medical discovery or detecting a very subtle pattern), but since each doctor would still need to carefully evaluate and take accountability for any AI diagnosis/decision, it's hard to see AI actually cutting down on diagnostic time. + +The one exception would be charting. It does seem like EHRs have already had a big impact here, and while AI would further speed up the process it doesn't seem like it'll be enough to displace jobs. If anything it would just make being a physician more enjoyable. + +I still wish there was a way I could speed up the process since I already have a degree and would rather not take chances, but alas completing the prereqs in 2-3 years seems like the best I can do. +--- 15349833 +Why is caffeine so tasty? +--- 15350013 +>>15348658 +I'm Asian and I still got into a Texas medical school. Work harder. +--- 15350209 +>>15350013 +I'm a huwhite man and got in too, how difficult is it going to be in 5 more years? +--- 15350236 +>>15347289 +>does the fact that this problem has been on the rise for the past quarter century suggest that physicians have been becoming increasingly greedy & amoral or does it show that their iq has been getting lower? +both +--- 15350284 +>>15350209 +>I'm a huwhite man and got in too +Hope to see you this fall, bro. +>how difficult is it going to be in 5 more years? +Well, if I wasn't a KHV, my kids probably wouldn't be able to make it. +--- 15350311 +>>15350284 +Oh shit, you asked for 5 years. I don't think I would have been accepted into a Texas MD school. Would probably have to go to a Texas DO or out-of-state MD. +--- 15350351 +>>15350284 +>Hope to see you this fall, bro. +You too brudda +--- 15350872 +>doctors recommend chiropractic and herbal medication +Is this normal? +--- 15350940 +What physical or mental illness if any can cause pleasure in the body? Usually topically in momentary impulses/twitches. +--- 15350987 +>>15348020 +i simply use other peoples notes +--- 15351000 +anons I'm studying anatomy(neuro and abdominopelvic cavity) and biochemistry(review of metabolic biochemistry and sistematic biochemistry so organs) and I study right after the lectures what we did that day, everyday. The weekend I try to review and repeat something I studied during the week. Is this a good way of studying? I'm in my 2nd year and the first year I studied evrything right before the exams, got good grades but I remember very little +I study only from the profs notes because here this is what you need to pass the exam and get even the maximum grade but I'm worried about that not being sufficient. I'm autistic and I can study how much I want without feeling tired but also dont want to waste my time studying useless things +--- 15351353 +>>15348658 +Go DO if you live in TX and have a shit GPA. +--- 15351395 +>>15351353 +What is considered a shit GPA? Anything less than the average? +--- 15351420 +>>15351395 +For TX, anything less than 3.6-3.7, you're going to have a hard time. +--- 15352146 +https://twitter.com/Atheen_/status/1646882383973449728 +absolutely the most shocking media video on the internet today, watch until the end +--- 15352349 +Musk is calling for the lifetime imprisonment of doctors and he owns the world's most influential media platform. +Whats it like being possibly the most hated and distrusted members of society? Are you proud of yourselves? +If you think its bad now, its only going to get worse as Musk wields his tremendous influence against you. +This is all completely self inflicted by the medical community, ethics were thrown out the window chasing fast easy money and woke virtue signalling opportunities. +--- 15352774 +K schizo. +--- 15352840 +Saw this video today, alleged nerve pain and claiming multiple ERs refusing to treat her. +Anecdotally, when I had a sciatic nerve compression, it would have been physically impossible for me to make this much noise, it was painful just to talk. +Of course it went viral with people saying “Hospitals are so incompetent and won’t listen to patients! Sue them” +a person’s vital signs also give away fakery. +Have you ever seen someone who is experiencing genuine extreme direct nerve pain scream like this? +I say this is fraud, either for drugs or lawsuit. +https://streamable.com/zp2f6r +--- 15353492 +>>15352349 +harsh +--- 15353539 +>>15352349 +well yes, unscientific cult nonsense like “gender identity” has no place in medicine and it’s completely criminal to allow such a thing to be used as justification for any kind of procedure or treatment for minors. And actually also adults too because it’s being falsely presented as having some basis in science despite the fact that the concept of “gender identity” does not even remotely hold up to basic inquiry using the scientific method. +--- 15354983 +>>15352840 +>women +Women are 90% of the bullshit DX at pain medicine. +--- 15355348 +>Yes Doc GPTstein I'll put compression stockings on this patient right away! +--- 15355469 +>>15348020 +>Imagine going to lectures +--- 15355717 +are there any papers on intrusive images from 1900-1977? give me all of them if you have links +--- 15355945 +>>15355717 +apparently starting some years after 1970 there has been some papers but not really from 1900-1970 for some reason +--- 15355976 +>>15350236 +percentage of doctors with penis envy increasing +--- 15356055 +>>15355348 +it's over AIbros... +--- 15356106 +musk on the warpath against doctors again +https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647345410162450432 +--- 15356204 +>>15356106 +fascinating. can you write 7 paragraphs for me on why doctors are evil and should be culled en masse? i am enamored by your speeches +--- 15356270 +>>15348658 +>implying a 3.89 today is the same as a 3.89 a decade ago +Grade inflation is a bitch. It's literally impossible to get under a B- (as in, they don't even give those grades out) in most undergrad classes nowadays. +--- 15356332 +How X-ray would have affect my benis energy? If I am getting daily exposure as a worker there? +--- 15356353 +>>15356270 +>as in, they don't even give those grades out +Where the fuck do people come up with these claims? There's literally the occasional dude in here asking if he can get into medical school with a GPA of like 3.3. The average student is just becoming more competitive as time passes on. You can see this with rising MCAT scores too. +--- 15356392 +>>1535635 +>where the fuck do people come up with these claims? +From looking at the grade distributions of the classes I took myself a few years ago, dingus. Just flipping through my biochemistry courses, like 70-80% of people get B- or above. There are barely any Cs, but a few Ds and Fs from people who I assume literally never show up to class and just never even took the exams, so basically everyone who turns in work gets at least a B-. Essentially zero classes have actual bell curve distributions for grades. Also just look at the GPA requirements for Cum Laude at universities from year to year, you can literally track the grade inflation over time as the cutoffs get higher and higher. Do you think that's because suddenly the entire student body got way smarter, or that they give out higher grades much more easily? Anecdotally, my professors even bitched about it. One of them said what I claimed almost verbatim about Stanford, that you can't get below a B. +--- 15356416 +>>15356392 +>Do you think that's because suddenly the entire student body got way smarter, or that they give out higher grades much more easily? +How old are you? One explanation would be with the Internet, the ease of accessing resources would certainly boost GPA and test scores. I even saw the other day that there is UWorld for the SATs now (I studied for the SATs using a test prep book back then). +--- 15356695 +>>15356416 +How old are you? What are these alleged internet resources that are so vastly different from 2016 to now, roughly seven years? The cutoff for my alma mater for Cum Laude (so top 20% of the class) went from 3.6 to 3.8 in that time period. It's also a widely attested phenomenon that you can Google and find articles about, especially at the Ivy Lagues, I don't know why you're pushing back against it. +--- 15356702 +Hey can more of ya'll donate stories to the /fph/ threads on /fit/? + +We'd all appreciate it. +--- 15356732 +>>15356702 +gen surg seems fun +--- 15356882 +>>15356270 +That's interesting. Most of my basic bio and chem classes have averages of 60% on exams, but I assume that'll go up in more advanced courses when all the "haven't decided" kids try something else +--- 15356896 +>>15356270 +>grade inflation +is there a bigger cope? +--- 15356972 +>>15356702 +more medical greentexts please +--- 15356985 +>>15353539 +yeah, but doctors can get money from the government for doing the procedures and the drug companies get paid too, so the scam will continue on forever. +--- 15356994 +>>15350940 +What even could cause such a symptom? If it doesn't exist as a known symptom it just doesn't make any sense. +--- 15357809 +I hear voices in my head that compliment me and tell me to do weird stuff. I've heard one of the voices order me to kill twice and when she speaks I have a feeling in my body of complement, like I have to do as she says. Do any of you know the biochemical reasons why I hear voices in my head? They are intrusive, I'm not actively thinking about it, it just happens. What is psychiatrist current understanding or theory regarding hearing voices? +--- 15358023 +>>15357809 +sounds more worrisome and scary than weird + +I myself interested in intrusiveness in general +--- 15358162 +I've been hearing conflicting things about away rotations/auditions for family. If you're a U.S.A. M.D. student trying to match to family med because you're selecting the location for non-career reasons (ie your hometown or couples match) is it in your best interest to do one, or do you only risk making a bad impression because the odds are already stacked in your favor? +--- 15358197 +>>15348020 +Brother if you're in the US and studying for step exams, anki and uworld are all you need. Pen and paper for the occasional note when you're away from the computer. Pretty much everything else is gonna be too time consooming +--- 15358214 +>>15356732 +I would legit be interested in applying to gen surg expect for all these stories highlighting what a shit lifestyle it is +--- 15358315 +>>15358214 +Oh yeah I mean the hours and the call seem terrible. But actually draining a perianal abscess seems kinda fun +--- 15358381 +>>15357809 +Several explanations have been proposed to explain self-recognition failures in schizophrenia and auditory hallucinations (see15 for an overview). One theory posits a dysfunction of the feed-forward model system, whose role consists in predicting the sensory consequences of one’s intended actions and inner speech.16–18 A dysfunction in this system is thought to result in incorrect sensorimotor predictions, and an ensuing failure to recognize self-generated thoughts and actions. + +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3406529/ +--- 15358393 +>>15357809 +But seriously there's one voice that's female and she is robotic. She orders me to do things and she issues the orders without any emotion. "I want you to kill BLANK or your mother will be raped and killed". + +Every time she speaks, that voice only I feel compelled, like I have to do as she says. I fell it in my body, I don't understand it. The other voices are nice and tell me that I'm a good person, that I should have hope and not give up. + +I hear musical instruments played sometimes and a demonic sounding voice screaming swear words. + +I'm not making this shit up, why the fuck does this happen? +--- 15358403 +>>15358381 +They are loud thoughts, like I hear them in my head. It's hard to explain it. It's like someone narrating? + +The voices don't bother me, sometimes I "jump" when I hear a loud random screaming swear word but other than that they don't bother me. They don't respond to me when I talk to them. +--- 15358418 +>>15358393 +If you’re really experiencing harm command hallucinations you should probably seek help from a mental health professional. How long has this been going on? +--- 15358434 +>>15358418 +Oh I am and I'm taking Risperidone. But I just wanted understanding of why this is happening. I'm not actively thinking about these things, I don't want to kill anyone, I'm not like that at all. I'm not suicidal (I love life) and I don't hate anyone. I just don't understand why I'm being told to "I want you to kill all niggers" and yes that's her words not mine. No I don't have a deep rooted suppressed racist trait in me, I just take people as they are and don't judge. + +I get feelings of comfort from the other voices that say nice things. It's really weird. +--- 15358438 +>>15358434 +It's been happening since I was young. + +I hear dead relatives talking as well sometimes which is comforting, I don't fear that or dislike that. and it doesn't stress me out. +--- 15358440 +>>15358434 +Are you currently in any form of talk therapy? This might be helpful for working through the psychological meaning of your experiences. There are also peer support groups for people with psychotic disorders (kind of like AA). A prominent one is the hearing voices network. +--- 15358442 +>>15347284 +>>15347437 +>>15349010 +You will still make a bunch of money doing something because the medical industry is such a fucking racket with such high bar to entry and total regulatory and corporate capture that it will always go on. +You HAVE to be very highly paid or people won't listen to you. +t. wife is a neurologist and read all contracts and listen to the stories all day +--- 15358449 +>>15349071 +>we want people to collaborate with the bot to come up with a plan, then have the bot start doing 80% of the steps +You are literally, as in actually literally, destroying people and creating hell on earth. + +Now if that is your goal, and I know it is to some of your type, you will fail but good luck to you. +--- 15358455 +>>15358440 +I was diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder with Psychotic features. + +I won't lie to you, when I'm in a bad state I really struggle to interpret which version of reality is real. One reality is where I currently am and everything is as it is. The other is that everything is a construct, that I'm dead and I'm in hell, my soul is missing and I'm stuck here, I can't die, I've died multiple times but I just come back, I get taunted with images of my death over and over. That is a really hard thing to battle. My brain can tilt either way depending on how stressed I am or what events are happening. + +Thank you for the hearing voices network I didn't know about that. I will engage with them, I'm considering going on a depot of risperidone to keep others happy, but the depot removes control from me. Currently I'm in control and I take the pills but with the depot that changes. It's a tough one to battle with. +--- 15358506 +>>15356416 +>the internet boosts grade scores +lmao +--- 15358508 +>>15358455 +Interesting. Who recommended the depot? Your family or your doctor? There is some evidence from cohort studies in Finland that long acting injectables reduce mortality to a greater degree than oral agents in patients with schizophrenia. Whether this is applicable to your case I have no idea. But ultimately it should be your decision. +--- 15358593 +>>15358508 +I've had the depot before but it doesn't work like it says it does. The drug peaks at random times, I could be walking along the street then suddenly feel intense fatigue. + +That's what put me off being on the depot, the peaks and valleys of the drug. +--- 15358663 +>>15358593 +Hm. Yeah if you've already had a bad experience with injectables and you take oral meds consistently idk what the point of going back on injectables would be +--- 15358672 +>>15358455 +you sure do seem to like talking about yourself on social media. +--- 15358876 +>>15348559 +>>15349120 +>>15350987 +>>15358197 +tbqh i expected all med students to be like that fag tryhard ali abdaal with all the productivity maximizing gimmicks. +gives me slightly more hope knowing that not all medfags are retards tryharding their way into something beyond their cognitive abilities +--- 15359099 +>>15356702 +>amongst healthcare proffessionals +nursoids really can't help it +--- 15359117 +>>15359099 +resentment of nursoids is a sign of insecurity +--- 15359152 +>>15359117 +*human nature +--- 15359206 +>>15351000 +You'll forget a majority of the details and a lot of the foundational subjects barely factor into a majority of clinical work. Whatever spec you'll end up in will usually require you to study a broader catalog of information than what you'll learn in medschool. It's not a bad idea to be thorough, but you cannot possibly know all that is to know in medicine, so focus on the subjects you're interested in and possibly want to get into later and divide the rest into exam filler and stuff you should actually memorize to not fuck up a patients treatment. +--- 15359231 +>>15359117 +>I AM A PROFESSIONAL +Save that kind of talk for your disappointed parents nursoid, no need to huff your own shit on an imageboard +--- 15359252 +>>15359231 +I'm a medical student +--- 15359262 +>>15348020 +Lecturio medical, anki, and an iPad + physical text books if they're not over $100 +--- 15360113 +Medicine anons, I think that my penis is dying. I don't want to have to ask redditors about this, they're too faggy. On the underside of my penis, at that midline ridge that comes up from the testicles to the head, it has darkened a lot to the point that it looks badly bruised or dead. It's just a dark line at first, extending upwards from the balls, but then at the base of the penis it expands outwards to form a sort of quarter-sized arrow-shaped shape, still really darkened, and then it narrows back out to a dark line again and continues up the shaft until it terminates under the head. There's no pain and it has been like this for about four months. Am I dying? Is my penis dying? I'm scared bros +--- 15360167 +>>15360113 +stop jerking off +--- 15360241 +>>15360167 +I've only been jerking off once a month for the past two years, and I haven't jerked off at all since the occurance of the darkening out of fear that I'd make it worse. +--- 15360495 +>>15360241 +start jerking off? +--- 15360553 +>>15360241 +NoFap destroys and claims another. KEK! diff --git a/sci/15347459.txt b/sci/15347459.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9819382c943e6126cb64d9bdbd58416ecbc49a56 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15347459.txt @@ -0,0 +1,252 @@ +----- +--- 15347459 +Is abusing the peer review system to silence dissent equivalent to admitting that you have no rational basis to defend your point of view? +--- 15347476 +Why are schizos so terrified of the concept of peer review? +--- 15347537 +>>15347476 +Why schizos? +1. It's a weak point that allows to subvert science with a couple of people. +2. Scientists know there are things they are not allowed to write +3. Science worked just fine before it. +--- 15347540 +>>15347476 +Why is it that the quality of scientific output drastically decreased beginning when peer review was implemented in the 1960s? +--- 15347577 +>>15347476 +Why are hacks and gatekeepers so terrified to free access to information? +--- 15347614 +>>15347540 +That is not when peer review was "implemented" it is when peer review was corporatized and opened up to corporate interests instead of purely academic ones, the problem is not about opening up your hypothesis for other people to review, it is in paywalling access to the information so that only a financially elite few can review your information and conclusions. +--- 15347622 +>>15347577 +>Why are hacks and gatekeepers +shills. youre talking to a shill +--- 15347626 +>>15347537 +>>15347540 +>>15347577 +>>15347614 +>>15347622 +Someone should make a peer reviewed study of schizo behavior on this website +--- 15347628 +>>15347626 +why not you? idle hands are the devils hands +--- 15347629 +>>15347614 +>That is not when peer review was "implemented" +It is. +>>15347626 +You have a couple of people deciding what is or isn't right, which is an exact thing that shouldn't happen. I have no idea why you'd want to restrict it in this way. I have no idea what is so schizo about it. +--- 15347631 +>>15347628 +I'd rather spend my time doing something enjoyable, like insulting schizos. + +>>15347629 +That's not how peer review works, schizo. No one is censoring your worthless ideas. +--- 15347632 +>>15347459 (OP) +No, and that assumption is an ad hominem attack. It is however an admission that you’re a neurotic with an unhealthy fear of opinions that challenge your worldview. +--- 15347633 +>>15347629 +>It is. +No it is not, Newton peer reviewed Kepler among many others and was the subject of peer review by Lagrange, Einstein, and all the scientists that came after Newton. +--- 15347634 +>>15347631 +Science worked before the perr review, and became virtually worthless with peer review. What problem lead to its implementation that needed such a radical measure? + +Yes it is how it works. There is no scientific consensus anymore, it's what the reviewers decided is correct. +--- 15347637 +>>15347633 +That isn't what "peer review" means, retard. +--- 15347638 +>>15347634 +Are the reviewers in the room with you right now? +--- 15347640 +>>15347638 +Why? +--- 15347644 +>>15347634 +>There is no scientific consensus anymore, it's what the reviewers decided is correct. +Scientific consensus has always been achieved through peer review. + +>>15347637 +Yes it does, as long as their have been collective institutions of education, the peers have been reviewing each other, you are attempting some retarded post modern semantic redefining of peer review that isn't accurate because you haven't even read the basic common knowledge information about the subject that has been common practice since the 16th century. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review +--- 15347649 +>>15347644 +Not a valid argument. You pretend that people talk about something else than they obviously do. +--- 15347658 +>>15347649 +No, I am talking about actual peer review as per the peer review encyclopedia entries and you are conflating post modern corporate gatekeeping of the peer review process that is mostly just your own headcanon and pretending it is the only possible means of peer review. +--- 15347666 +>>15347658 +Nobody argues against scientists being allowed to contradict or criticize other scientists. +You are either being intentionally obtuse, or you are a schizo yourself. +--- 15347671 +>>15347662 +>>15347666 +I never said they did, I think you are confusing multiple different conversations because you have yet to master the anonymous mechanic, scientists contradicting, criticizing, and correct each other is peer review, your corporate bullshit is unnecessary, so quit trying to make out corporate gatekeeping peer review to be the only way it can be done, shill. +--- 15347672 +>>15347640 +So that I can know whether or not you've taken your meds, schizo. +--- 15347677 +>>15347632 +Zero self awareness lmao. What you just said is leagues closer to an ad hominem attack than pointing out that peer review loses credibility when you can lose your livelihood for wrongthink. Are you autistic? +--- 15347690 +>>15347672 +And this is why jews had to be killed. The Germans had no other choice. +--- 15347693 +>>15347671 +People obviously talk about the formal review process before a paper gets published. You are mentally ill. +--- 15347698 +>>15347693 +You are the one who imagined the word published where it did not appear, schizo, scientists don't have to wait until anything is published to criticize each other which is exactly why your corporate nonsensical concept of peer review is retarded. +--- 15347701 +>>15347690 +Those germans you admire also killed mentally ill schizos like you. +--- 15347703 +>>15347672 +I know it is you shit eater. Ever wonder how I can find you in every thread? +--- 15347706 +>>15347703 +That is an image of you talking to at least 5 different people, though. +--- 15347707 +>>15347701 +They killed jews who were so retarded that the typical human's intelligence exceeds their own so vastly that they can't tell it from madness, and think they are the intelligent and sane ones. +--- 15347712 +>>15347707 +Deranged trash +--- 15347715 +>>15347712 +Why does everything a jew touches fail? +Why couldn't jews understand european culture so much that they had to destroy it? + +>inb4 why did they win +Guns take no intellect to kill, and they killed anyone responsible for keeping order. +--- 15347719 +>>15347715 +>In July 1933, the "Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring" prescribed compulsory sterilisation for people with conditions thought to be hereditary, such as schizophrenia +Lol. Your precious hitler daddy would love to cut off your balls. +--- 15347725 +>>15347706 +you eat 5 different people's shit? impressive, very nice +--- 15347726 +>>15347719 +Why did you have to hire the Nazis to get you to the Moon? +Why do you engage in excrutiatingly elaborate discussions of things that are utterly trivial, and can't understand relatively basic things at all, like don't cause trouble to otger people or steal their things, or you will feel the consequences? + + +Why does everything turn ito shit, ESPECIALLY those things the jews love to brag about? +--- 15347729 +>>15347719 +The way schizophrenia was described at those times matches your beloved normie NPC. +--- 15347730 +>>15347725 +I was one of the people shitting on you, you were the one eating every else's shit, then posting pictures of it and celebrating eating their shit for weeks going on months now. +--- 15347737 +>>15347726 +>>15347729 +h*tler's coming to take your balls, schizos! snip snip! +--- 15347743 +>>15347737 +do you really think saying shit like this is going to affect anyone +--- 15347747 +>>15347743 +You wouldn't reply like this if it didn't affect you :) +--- 15347751 +>>15347737 +>Hear voices in their head. The voice took their thought over. They can only think through their voice. Hear voices in random noises. +>School knowledge preserved. Can do math, point cities ob a map. Extremely impaired capacity to deal with novel situations. +>Unreasonable obedience. They were told it must be done, so it must be done, in spite of discomfort or pain. +>No interest in their family or the neghborhood, yet ape and adopt phrases of those who happen to be around. +>Act randomly without a rational reason, and canxt be stopped from doing so. +>Inpaired perception, cannot use what is seen or heard, yet obviously able to see when questioned. +>Speech stereotyped and slips into nonsense and irrelevancy. +--- 15347752 +>>15347747 +congrats, hopefully you can sleep easy now +--- 15347819 +>>15347701 +technically true considering ashkenazi jews have 40% higher rates of developing schizophrenia due to their long, sordid history of inbreeding and other dysgenic practices like sucking the blood out of baby dick. mostly the inbreeding though +--- 15348449 +>>15347730 +Yes I know you are the one person making meals of shit on this board +--- 15348471 +Peer review just means science by consensus +whoever sets the consensus sets the science. +--- 15351451 +>>15348471 +>Peer review just means science by circlejerk +fix'd +--- 15352401 +>>15347819 +funny how female genital mutilation is a serious crime and circumcision is practically mandatory +--- 15353514 +THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!!!!! +https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=md6gekqjjVU [Embed] +--- 15354664 +>>15347730 +https://theendofziondotcom1.wordpress.com/the-fecal-fixation-of-the-chosen-ones/ +--- 15354701 +>>15347677 +Yes, as it happens abusing a system to censor views you don’t like is indeed a sign of neuroticism. Neck yourself, tranny. +--- 15354715 +>>15347476 +Because then they would have to face the fact that there's only two genders. +--- 15354738 +>>15347712 +not an argument +--- 15354831 +>>15347459 (OP) +--- 15354853 +>>15354831 +classic, some talentless loser inserts themselves as gatekeeper between people who have spent 8+ years studying a field. +--- 15354883 +>>15347577 +Based +--- 15354967 +>>15347459 (OP) +the problem these days is no one gives a shit about peer review because there is no incentive to, so shit papers get published. +also, thanks to the fucking shenanigans the medical field pulls to get their funding, the rest of science is made to suffer by being saddled with those lying pieces of shit. +--- 15355129 +what's the actual solution to this problem? +--- 15355470 +>>15347577 +baseado +--- 15355704 +>>15347743 +>>15347726 +very based and insightful poster + +>>15347737 +>>15347747 +unintelligible basement dweller obsessed with inflated perception of having "high iq" +--- 15355789 +>>15347459 (OP) +yes +--- 15355915 +>>15354967 +>no one gives a shit about peer review because there is no incentive to +Don't we rather want to know how members are selected for clubs like those who develop dietary guidelines and how these members select the papers into consideration and how they apply the system for rating strength of evidence? That seems more important to me than peer-review. +--- 15357256 +>>15354853 +political activism takes precedence over science for everyone who isn't capable of succeeding on the basis of their abilities as a scientist. its very common. +--- 15357263 +>>15347537 +>Science worked just fine before it. +go back to /pol/ you church boi nazi +--- 15357275 +>>15357263 +keep crying +--- 15357907 +>>15347476 +Einsteins miracle year in 1905 occurred without peer review. By the way I'm positive if peer review existed at the time einsteins papers would have been rejected given how hostile the experts were at the time. +--- 15357911 +>>15347631 +>No one is censoring your worthless ideas. +Yes yes I'm sure all physicists at MIT are reading vixra publications to learn different ideas. +--- 15357916 +>>15347644 +Are you a habitual liar or do you just lack reading comprehension? +>The first peer-reviewed publication might have been the Medical Essays and Observations published by the Royal Society of Edinburgh in 1731. The present-day peer-review system evolved from this 18th-century process,[17] began to involve external reviewers in the mid-19th-century,[18] and did not become commonplace until the mid-20th-century.[19] diff --git a/sci/15348347.txt b/sci/15348347.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4fe9517828ce0081f8f70634b6c3943911569b1a --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15348347.txt @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +----- +--- 15348347 +Will there be 1,000,000 people living on the moon by 2050? +--- 15348446 +That's in 27 years. No way +--- 15348939 +>>15348347 (OP) +maybe a thousand by 2050, but only if things continue to progress at a rapid clip, any setbacks and change that to "maybe a hundred by 2050". A million on the moon might come sometime next century. Early in the century? Late? Depends on the rate of progress and no setbacks. +--- 15350222 +>>15348347 (OP) +No. If we're lucky well have a few dozen people being rotated in and out on antarctic style research bases. +--- 15350334 +>>15348446 +27 years ago Google, smart phones, and AI didn't exist. A lot can happen in that length of time. +--- 15351335 +>>15348347 (OP) +no we will not be building cities on the moon within our lifetimes. for the same reason we aren't building cities in Antarctica today. +>>15350222 +this +if we're extremely lucky there will be low 3 digit numbers of people by 2050. but it's also entirely possible that will be ~6 or just 0 +--- 15351385 +>>15348347 (OP) +If we don't die before 2050, then yeah, why not. +--- 15352022 +>>15350334 +>extrapolating +--- 15352234 +Will there be 1,000,000 people living on Antarctica by 2050? And why would people rather be on the moon? +--- 15352245 +>>15350334 +turing test software existed 27 years ago, so did cell phones & search engines. +--- 15352323 +>>15352245 +Not to mention there was an economic reasons for these things to exist. There isn't any good motive for extra-terrestrial bases sans research. Which is why the only thing well see this century are research bases. +--- 15352334 +there won't even be one person living on the moon by then +--- 15352374 +>>15348347 (OP) +not unless we can guarantee social justice there. if not, then why even bother? + +https://www.bitchute.com/video/aXekJRez6DoT/ +--- 15352381 +There wont even be people on temhe moon by 2100, and as the USA becomes more "diverse", watch as NASA's technological prowess collapses +--- 15352890 +>>15352234 +Seeing Antarctica without the ice cap makes me want to do some world building. Or rather make a thread on /sci/ about doing a geophysical simulation of a planet, like how /an/ has a speculative evolution general. +--- 15353223 +>>15352890 +nobody wants to see your soience fiction faggotry, use the /lit/ thread for your childish imagination games +--- 15355265 +>>15348347 (OP) +No + +Hopefully an american base and a chinese base, that's the best you'll have. Although maybe India may somehow manage to get there. +--- 15355269 +>>15350334 +"AI" existed at least in the 1950s. Retard. +--- 15356651 +>>15348347 (OP) +Why wouldn’t there be? +--- 15356802 +>>15352334 +I'm already living here +--- 15359758 +>>15356651 +There's no real reason to have a moon base beyond research and exploration. Its not like there's any economic reason to bring a million people there. diff --git a/sci/15348364.txt b/sci/15348364.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..100a1b2287cfd47ef67917b7cd129d6cf04e534a --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15348364.txt @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +----- +--- 15348364 +Looking for some scientific means to visually picture translucent objects placed against/nearby each others and thus reflecting and refracting and creates the unique rendering of it + +Kinda like marbles or glass placed in a pool or any other similar variations + +I just a 3d diagram of sorts that can then teach me of how the lights then, bounces around itself, behind or through it + +Whatever than means i guess +--- 15350703 +>>15348364 (OP) +Caustics are super hard, even for computers. +--- 15350731 +>>15350703 +Caustics is for water. What i mean is the surface refractions and reflections. +The pictureesque visual of the translucet objects... since lights bounces inside them. +--- 15351639 +>>15348364 (OP) +Blender would possibly work. There are many genuinely open source, free, or cheap models, if you really can't figure out how to use it. Of course there's very expensive proprietary software you can use as well for modeling. + +anyway there's no easy tool that I know about. You'd have to go down that rabbit hole of learning a lot, in general, about blender and its community and people's tools and plugins. +--- 15351671 +>>15350731 +That's caustics as well. +--- 15352943 +>>15351639 +Yea i guess u need 2d but people have been drawing these by default so whats the problem anyway... + +>>15351671 +Wait what? +No. No.caustics is the light that happens thru translucency. + +What i am asking is the high lights on the objects...and maybe inner highlights. On the object. Not away. Geddit? Wait let me find example +--- 15353307 +>>15351671 +What i mean is how light sources from a and b will cause the subject to be + +Or the socalled external subject, marked as N that is outside the object, and the effect it brings to the object that is marked N' here + +Whatever you call em +If not just reflections and refractions +--- 15353328 +>>15353307 +--- 15353344 +>>15353328 +Eh fuck it s wrong direction +1 +--- 15353614 +>>15352943 +What you see in the OP pic is definitely caustics. Nobody has figured out an easy way, it's harder than full raytracing that you see in todays games. +--- 15354742 +>>15350731 +Break your source rays down as a spectral density function, then apply your specular reflection and refraction matrices, and superpose the results at the interface. It's really not that hard, just very involved computationally. +What you can't do is back-trace your rays like a normal ray-tracer would. +--- 15356568 +>>15353614 +Again its not the caustics but the one INSIDE the object. +>>15354742 +Can you REexplain this visually. In a diagram. +--- 15357393 +>>15356568 +It's caustics both inside and outside. The lights on the wall in OP pic are caustics. +--- 15357412 +>>15357393 +...i dont think so. Caustic is the light CASTED by the refractions. + +I guess i need to specify what i am having issue is simply the INSIDE of the object. + +Be it highlight or caustics, basically just the object on its own, and results of lights that bounces on it. + +Consider it like, just rendering the object and turning on skybox... if you catch my drift. + +Or well. Just the translucènt object on its own and predicting its colors according to its surrounding... which must be translucents too, mostly. +--- 15357436 +thread closed diff --git a/sci/15348949.txt b/sci/15348949.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0896986968bcc1f4c7819a833d4c73e236e11f0d --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15348949.txt @@ -0,0 +1,162 @@ +----- +--- 15348949 +AI training data comes from Reddit & Wikipedia +--- 15348955 +>>15348949 (OP) +No wonder it gives wrong answers with absolute confidence. +--- 15348982 +What do they mean when they say parameter? Is it the number of theta coefficients in a linear model? +--- 15349251 +>>15349046 +downvoted +--- 15349417 +>>15349361 +she was potentially a moderator of the world news sub. I don't really see her as the partner of a billionaire with some lavish lifestyle flying around the world and also someone spending all day every day on Reddit farming for karma which is what the conspiracy claims +--- 15349569 +>>15349046 +>ZOG +>censored media outlets +>propaganda tool +>shilled +None of these things are real. Touch grass. The real world is not what you see on the Internet. +>the tribe +What the fuck is this? +--- 15349571 +>>15349569 +you are +--- 15349588 +>>15349046 +>>15349361 +All major social centers on the web are compromised. +--- 15349845 +>>15348955 +Yes, I've been thinking the reason ChatGPT never wants to admit it doesn't know something and tries bullshitting its way to an answer is trained behavior from your average internet user +--- 15349903 +>>15349046 +>ZOG censored media outlets than that makes it a slanted propaganda tool +Only realizing this now when it has so much potential? +--- 15350232 +>>15348982 +yeah pretty much +--- 15350238 +>>15348949 (OP) +>AI that behaves like a mediocre humanities gradstudent was train of reddit and wikipedia +Figures +--- 15350251 +>>15349361 +what the fuck!!! I had no idea she was a gigaredditor +--- 15350268 +>>15348949 (OP) +can one of you stem chuds tell me if i get this right? All AI is just a webscraper that compiles data than makes sentences on the natural languages that appear most times on it? +--- 15350271 +>>15349569 +i touched your girlfriends cervix with my 7.5" BWC. then i read some otto weininger and culture of critique to relax. take it easy man +--- 15350272 +>>15350268 +You're right. It's a pattern recognition program that reproduces patterns based on keywords. +--- 15350288 +>>15350272 +thanks science chud +--- 15351466 +>>15350251 +maxwellhill is her account name, look it up. +its filled with the cringiest popsoi collection, is good popsoi aversion therapy to see popsoi in the context +--- 15351522 +>>15350268 +>All AI is just a webscraper that compiles data than makes sentences on the natural languages that appear most times on it? +IIRC it looks statistically for the each following word, so maybe not always what appears the most times, but also with respect to context, or some other factors. +--- 15351847 +chatbot shillware is fake asf +anyone still falling for the ruse is a chump +--- 15352041 +>>15350268 +In short, these chatbots are trained on huge databases and burn through mountains of graphics cards in the process so they can tell you something that could have been gleamed by skimming through +>wikipedia +for 5 minutes. ChatGPT is a nice party trick but I really doubt its going to kill that many jobs, primarily because many of the jobs that it can replace are just sinecures for PMCs. +--- 15352046 +>>15348949 (OP) +That's true, anon. AI models like GPT-4 do use massive amounts of data from various sources, including Reddit and Wikipedia, to train their algorithms. But it's important to remember that these models aren't just limited to those sources; they also learn from a diverse range of texts like books, articles, and websites. While the training data can be a mixed bag of quality, AI models can still generate some pretty impressive responses. It's up to us as users to determine how reliable and useful the information provided is. As always, it's a good idea to double-check anything that seems too good (or too weird) to be true.So yeah, it's a bit of a wild ride, but that's what makes AI-generated content interesting, right? +--- 15352074 +>>15348982 +Yes +--- 15352077 +>>15350268 +This is correct +--- 15352165 +>>15350232 +>>15352074 +So the final model is an equation with 100 billion coefficients. Damn, the matrix operations must take months to complete. +--- 15352206 +>>15350251 +Really suspicious that jannie deleted the post you replied to +--- 15352218 +>>15352206 +Why would they do it? +--- 15352296 +>>15352046 +It's pretty interesting that AI generated text is so easily recognizable. +--- 15353561 +>>15352046 +why do they choose to only take data from heavily censored, and badly slanted outlets? +--- 15353703 +>>15353561 +>heavily censored. +lol if only. + +>badly slanted outlets? +anon everything has a fucking slant to it. +--- 15353801 +>>15352041 +wikipedia doesn't have the smut these chatbots can create +--- 15354673 +>>15351466 +All the same stuff she shilled on Reddit was shilled here too and the soiboys all ate it up and loved it and begged for more, +--- 15354788 +>>15349588 +>Who is this 4chan guy xD +You can just tell he writes that meme at every opportunity and still thinks he's hilarious nearly a decade later +--- 15354995 +>>15352296 +There are certain keywords that expose it right away +>But it's important to remember +>Diverse +>using Commas +>It's up to us +And than the kicker +>It's a good idea to double check +All ai responses have a conditional at the end which says +>X is not a complete and maybe it's also Y which is why you shouldn't totally rely on the answer I have given +Which I assume is some legal shit that was added so people don't go +>BUT THE AI TOLD ME TO DO IT +and sue Microshit +--- 15355052 +>>15348949 (OP) +>Undisclosed +So stolen data? +--- 15355195 +>>15354995 +insightful post +--- 15356023 +>>15349845 +I've been thinking the same. However, with progress in theory-of-mind ability, I think it might be possible to have LLMs go through all the data they have and generate possible motivations for posts. Then with posts annotated with possible justifications including knowledge the poster must be internally recalling to the poster being a fucking retard, LLMs could use the justifications to look for sources, and either find the citations or label the post as retarded and correct it. Then the new model could be trained on the corrected data. +--- 15356029 +>>15350268 +AI research is many things at the moment, one of which is a fantastically expensive exercise in proving our discourse and society is extremely retarded. +--- 15356048 +>>15351522 +Statistically isn't the right word, because you could actually do that for a lot less compute. A more reasonable simplification is that it uses a massive computer that in principle should be capable of solving a problem with the right program, but rather than develop the program traditionally, the program is bruteforced until it seems to do something useful. +--- 15356250 +>>15348949 (OP) +>still leaving your training data around +protip, if you don't want your post history being used to train ai, just get perma banned sitewide and they'll delete your history for you and filter it out utterly so it doesn't "taint" their ai +--- 15356907 +it's probably really good at recreational drugs and antifa apologia +--- 15357170 +>>15350251 +--- 15357265 +>>15357170 +>4 people +4 pedophiles, all hand picked by maxwell +--- 15358611 +>>15357265 +On loan to her from the FBI's criminal informant program diff --git a/sci/15349240.txt b/sci/15349240.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..88afa7cdacd89d7d2a50f56b371d7d492939f3d6 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15349240.txt @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +----- +--- 15349240 +something doesn't add up here +--- 15351555 +>>15349240 (OP) +CO2 is actually one of the weaker greenhouse gasses iirc. H2O is a big one. That might make the difference. +--- 15351785 +>>15349240 (OP) +Mars does obviously experience a greenhouse effect, but it's much farther from the sun. Yes sun can influence climate. More than one factor can influence the climate. No this information isn't shocking to anyone who's not an imbecile. +--- 15351799 +>>15351785 +>nasa +soience shill organization run by and for political activists. if they say something is true then you know its a lie. +>adding 0.01% co2 to the atmosphere is going to increase the greenhouse effect by 10% +only an idiot or someone who is ignorant of math & physics could believe that +>graph starts in little ice age to help create the illusion of global warming +errrry single time +--- 15351809 +>>15351799 +This is the most low IQ way to be contrarian. + +Climate change is probably occurring, but it's not going to be the end of the world, and the remedy is not reducing standards of living. We should build out advanced nuclear, develop hot rock geothermal energy, and fund further research into fusion power. With cheap and abundant clean energy a vast array of social, economic and environmental problems are solved. +--- 15351834 +>>15349240 (OP) +You don't even need to leave earth, just look at the past and understand causality (or lack thereof). + +Inb4 positive feedback, no it still doesn't negate causality. +--- 15351840 +>>15351799 +>muh IPCC, muh nasa +cope and sneed. Arrhenius was right +>>15351809 +agreed. I will not eat the bugs. I will do my part by WFH and not buying hoards of cheap chinese shit. +--- 15351881 +>>15351785 +Your graph is misleading. +When did we start covering the planet with vast regions of concrete? +--- 15351892 +>>15351834 +the graph seems to imply temperature drives co2 changes, no? +--- 15351928 +>>15351892 +Not necessarily, it only implies a correlation, however temperature reacts quicker (to whatever outside metric) compared to carbon dioxide, which lags behind. + +And then there's estimates about different periods of earth all together, like jurassic with +4°C average temperature but 100 (!!!!!!!11) times more co2, compared to today. It's crazy. +--- 15352004 +>>15351555 +Water is indeed the most significant gas contributing to the greenhouse effect on Earth. Furthermore Earth's surface is largely covered in liquid water that traps a lot of heat. + +Also Mars is on the average roughly 1.524 times further from the sun, witch means it gets only around 43% of the solar irradiance that Earth gets +--- 15352257 +>>15351928 +>like jurassic with +4°C average temperature but 100 (!!!!!!!11) times more co2, compared to today. It's crazy. +believing that adding 0.01% co2 to the atmosphere will increase the greenhouse effect by 10% is whats crazy. you'd have to be very stupid or legitimately insane to believe in it. +--- 15354620 +>>15352257 +or brainwashed by television and public school +--- 15356751 +>>15351555 +>CO2 is actually one of the weaker greenhouse gasses iirc. +In that case, how is adding 0.01% more CO2 to atmospheric content supposed to increase the greenhouse effect by 10%? +--- 15356760 +>>15352004 +Ban water! Save the planet! Make water illegal! +--- 15357341 +>>15352004 +what % of our tiny greenhouse effect is due to water & what % co2? +--- 15357378 +>>15349240 (OP) +>Farther away with a much smaller atmospheric volume than earth +No problem +--- 15357573 +did you just ignore the literal first sentence where it said earth has about 60 times more atmosphere then mars? +--- 15358601 +>>15357573 +Mars has over 20x more CO2 per unit surface area in it's atmosphere than Earth does. Mars also has no detectable greenhouse effect. CO2 is not a "greenhouse gas". +--- 15358628 +>>15357341 +If you mean what effect does human production of steam into atmosphere do, it is nothing because steam in atmosphere quickly turns into rain, so there is never too much water in atmosphere. As for how much of the total greenhouse effect is caused by water or CO2, I cant find that, but along with methane it is probably enough to cause the tiny 1 degree Celsius shift over the past century. Reducing water in atmosphere to combat it is impossible because it requires enough water to rain, so the whole system is self correcting. + +Though keep in mind this is not my area of expertise, I just know about it slightly more then the politicians in that other thread saying CO2 concentration in the air is around 5 percent +--- 15358635 +>>15358601 +>Mars also has no detectable greenhouse effect +source on that? +--- 15358650 +>>15358601 +if co2 is not a greenhouse gas then how much warmer would mars currently be if it was? +--- 15358678 +>>15358635 +European space agency findings +--- 15358687 +>>15358678 +link? +--- 15358694 +>>15358650 +If "the soience" says that adding 0.01% more co2 to Earth's atmosphere causes a 10% increase in the greenhouse effect, or about 3ºC then Mars should be about 60ºC warmer if CO2 was a greenhouse gas, which it is not. +The surface temp on Mars is pretty much exactly what one would expect it to be on the basis of solar flux if the planet had no atmosphere at all. +--- 15360324 +retards itt. mars has a stronger greenhouse effect, but less radiation reaches it so you're not amplifying as much heat. maybe an analogy will help you dunces. what's a larger value: +>10^(5) +>3^(9) +let a^(b) represent +>a is radiation reaching planet +>b is amplification of radiation from greenhouse gas +what? how can 3^(9) be less than 10^(5)? +--- 15360337 +>>15360324 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_equilibrium_temperature +--- 15360461 +>>15349240 (OP) +Mars has almost no atmosphere at all. +--- 15360484 +>>15360461 +Mars has over 20x more CO2 than Earth. If that counts as nothing the the CO2 we have here also counts as nothing. That planetary equilibrium temperature link is high school level physics, but its very accurate. Solar flux accounts for nearly all of the heat of both Mars & Earth, CO2 is a non factor in both cases. +--- 15360487 +>>15360484 +>Mars has over 20x more CO2 than Earth. +And virtually nothing else, the atmosphere is virtually nonexistent, so of course it's cold. diff --git a/sci/15349364.txt b/sci/15349364.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..60a742c0392fc0d4fba08c10c6fbe8297884142b --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15349364.txt @@ -0,0 +1,206 @@ +----- +--- 15349364 +Uhm, real number bros? I just figured something out and it's not looking good for us. + +Every proof is a finite string over a finite alphabet. Therefore, the set of all proofs is countable. There are uncountably many real numbers though. That means we cannot have a proof of existence for each real number. +--- 15349478 +>>15349364 (OP) +>Every proof is a finite string over a finite alphabet. Therefore, the set of all proofs is countable. + +Cool. Come up with a way to enumerate every proof, ie come up with a sequence or some other bijection between your list of proofs and the natural numbers. +--- 15349482 +>>15349364 (OP) +the set of all theorems of an axiomatic system with real numbers is uncountable.. +--- 15349823 +show me one, literally one, meaningful mathematical paper that doesn't need to use real numbers to save 20 pages of redundant and obviously intuitive information. + +If you cant do this, your entire identity and personality is based on a non-issue that no one really cares about and you should go back to your meaningless crackpot blog. +--- 15351652 +>>15349364 (OP) +Correct, we can't prove the existence of each real number individually. +We can't even name each real number individually. There are some real numbers that we can't even refer to. +But we can prove that the set of real numbers as a whole exists from the ZFC axioms, in particular, because of the power set axiom. +You hear a lot about people rejecting the axiom of choice and pseuds rejecting the axiom of infinity, but not a lot of people question the power set axiom even though there are valid reasons to do so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impredicativity +It's also perfectly valid imo to not worry about it because we can't even speak about the real numbers we can't even refer to. + + +>>15349478 +Dude... + +small correction: The alphabet of first-order logic is actually (usually) not finite. +There are usually countably many variable symbols (e.g. x_1, x_2, x_3, ...). + +Size of the alphabet = countable +Size of proofs of length n <= product of n copies of the alphabet = finite product of countable sets = countable +Size of proofs of any finite length = union of proofs of length n for all n <= countable union of countable sets = countable + + +>>15349482 +If you're using a formal system with uncountably many symbols or that allow infinitely long statements, then I'm afraid you're retarded. +--- 15351744 +>>15349823 +Most of combinatorics and a non-trivial portion of algebra only deals with finite sets. +--- 15352099 +>>15351652 +>There are some real numbers that we can't even refer to +For example? Like neighborhood of infinity schizo numbers? +--- 15352114 +>>15349364 (OP) +>mfw there is no actual definition of what an infinite set is +>the definition of "real" numbers is based on infinite sets +Did we get too cocky mathbros??? +--- 15352161 +>>15352114 +There is no definition of set. This is the ultimate midwit filter. Only naive set theory Chads are winning at math while midwits get caught in language games. +--- 15352187 +>>15349364 (OP) +[math]\forall x \in \mathbb{R}, ~x~\mathrm{exists}[/math] + +thats only like 10 letters long +--- 15352190 +>>15349823 +This apu is high quality, I'm saving it for personal and recreational use. +--- 15352191 +>>15349364 (OP) +Some proofs are extremely long (see: Fermat's Last Theorem). I always wondered if there are some things that can't be proven/disproven in practice, because the minimum length of proof is infinite. +--- 15352219 +>>15352190 +All yours my friend +--- 15352231 +>>15352187 +That's not a proof and it's wrong. Existence is not a property. +--- 15352240 +>>15352191 +I think Kolmogorov's complexity might have something to do with it +--- 15352248 +>>15352191 +>I always wondered if there are some things that can't be proven/disproven in practice, because the minimum length of proof is infinite. +The hard problem of consciousness is an example. +--- 15352266 +>>15352099 +You do realize that to give you a specific example of a real number that I can't refer to, I would have refer to that specific real number. +When I mean "can't refer to" I really mean "can't refer to". +There are only countably many English sentences but there are uncountably many real numbers. +Even if I try to use other languages, there are more real numbers than possible 4chan replies (as long as the length if finite). +Even if I add an image to my reply, there are more real numbers than possible 2 dimensional pixel colour configurations (as long as the size/resolution of the monitor is finite and each pixel can only be one of finitely many colours). + +Theoretically, we'll only ever be able to talk about countably many out of the potentially uncountable real numbers. +Practically, we'll only ever talk about finitely many out of the potentially uncountable real numbers. +So by all means, reject the power set axiom and replace it with a constructivist version (or don't replace it at all for all I care). +You'll still (theoretically/practically) be able to prove the existence of any of the countably many (theoretically/practically) describable real number. +--- 15352295 +>>15352266 +Oh, I see what you mean. You mean "can't refer to" in the sense that, for example, no matter how many digits of pi you write out, there are infinitely many numbers that start with the same digits, some (most) of which can't be uniquely expressed with a finite amount of digits, either. Doesn't that mean that in some ways most of those numbers only exist in an abstract sense because of physical limitations? +--- 15352338 +>>15349364 (OP) +Sure you can. +Between any two irrationals is a rational. +Between any two rationals is an irrational. +You can count the rationals. +Build a proof from there. +--- 15352392 +>>15352295 +> in the sense that, for example, no matter how many digits of pi you write out, there are infinitely many numbers that start with the same digits, some (most) of which can't be uniquely expressed with a finite amount of digits, either +Yeah, kinda similar to that, but a bit stronger. +For example, I can describe some infinite sequences of digits by describing an algorithm that can calculate any given digit (if given enough time). +I could use https://stackoverflow.com/a/5187974 as the definition of the square root of 2. +I could define the square root of 2 as the algorithm itself (as opposed to the result of the algorithm). +It's a finite description that uniquely identifies the real number "square root of 2". +But again, there's only countably many finite strings of characters, so there's only countably many algorithms, so I can only define countably many real numbers that way. +So even if I allow these kinds of definitions, there's some real numbers I can't define. + +> Doesn't that mean that in some ways most of those numbers only exist in an abstract sense because of physical limitations? +They only exist in an abstract sense because of theoretical language limitations. +I think that any written language that has any chance of being practical has to consists of only finite sequences of finitely many characters. This forces the set of sentences to be countable. +If you care about physical limitations, then it's even worse, there are only finitely many numbers. +--- 15352408 +>>15352392 +>If you care about physical limitations, then it's even worse, there are only finitely many numbers. +By abstract I didn't mean they're not, uh, real, but instead only exist in a platonic way. +In any case, thanks for your time. +--- 15352475 +>>15349364 (OP) +You don't need a proof for every real number. You, one, can count, and two, use something like induction and functions. +--- 15352478 +>>15352475 +I don't think anon can +--- 15352572 +>>15352475 +>You don't need a proof for every real number. +Because the whole thing is nonsensical +>use something like induction and functions. +Based on infinite sets, therefore invalid +--- 15352790 +Gödel's Incompleteness theorem, anyone? +--- 15352798 +>>15352790 +Worthless college kiddy trash spergs out of nowhere and screams +"GoDeL InComPleTnESs AHHHHHHH I'MG GOING INSANNENENENENEEE AHHHHHHH" + +Stop discussing mathematics and gtfo this thread worthless piece of shit +--- 15352829 +>>15352798 +? +You seem terminally online sir, redeem your anger sir. +--- 15352842 +>>15352798 +>being this butthurt because someone mentions a theorem +Lmao kid, calm down +--- 15352861 +>>15352842 +Because a worthless schizo like you doesn't even understands the theorem, DO YOUR HOMEWORK worthless talentless piece of shit and don't even argue! +--- 15353898 +>>15352861 +>look mom I'm projecting +--- 15354411 +Real numbers are actually the imaginary ones ironically. True numbers are discrete. You have one apple or two apples. You have one half of an apple or one third. Shit you could make up a label you have a pi apple. Once you slap a label on it that is a discrete thing the letter is part of an alphabet which is a set of discrete elements. Real numbers are a nice abstraction but many brainlets try to use it as a way of pretending the universe couldn't have had a totally different set of rules more in line with a simulation. Because muh continuous vs discrete so lame. You can't label or look at a continuous thing at a deep level only a high level and at the high level it is still defined by discrete things like f(x) = mx. The formula is itself a discrete representation of a line. +--- 15354419 +>>15354411 +>math with apples +Brainlet +--- 15354448 +>>15354419 +It is more grounded in reality and the real source of the concept of a number. Stuff in the world like an apple. +--- 15354506 +>>15352790 +>Gödel's Incompleteness theorem, anyone? +literally unrelated, fucking brainlet popsci nigger +--- 15355598 +>>15351744 +ok but what about math past the 12th century? +--- 15355616 +>>15352191 +>I always wondered if there are some things that can't be proven/disproven in practice, because the minimum length of proof is infinite. +thats the entire point of halting problem, godels theorem, etc. infinite proof is a contradiction. Thats just another way to say there is no proof. +--- 15356194 +>>15355598 +are you for real? +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatorics#History: +"In the second half of the 20th century, combinatorics enjoyed a rapid growth, which led to establishment of dozens of new journals and conferences in the subject." +--- 15356459 +>>15356440 +--- 15356461 +>>15356440 +>>15356459 +--- 15357099 +>>15356440 +>>15356459 +>>15356461 +Thanks, I'm stealing these. +--- 15357130 +LaTeX nonsense +--- 15357168 +Traditional Chinese Alphabet be like: +>c +--- 15357175 +>>15351652 +> If you're using a formal system with uncountably many symbols or that allow infinitely long statements, then I'm afraid you're retarded. + +Traditional Chinese Alphabet: >:c +--- 15357620 +What about infinite proofs? +--- 15358133 +>>15357620 +Then you have to get into the philosophy of mathematics, because it becomes important to understand what a proof is. + +If you understand a proof as a way of convincing another person, the requirement to read or understand an infinite "proof" seems to disqualify them. diff --git a/sci/15349846.txt b/sci/15349846.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9f5a62ba7b874430f13b5862c1d34bc6805d6c62 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15349846.txt @@ -0,0 +1,834 @@ +----- +--- 15349846 +Security Clearance Granted Edition + +Previously >>15325682 → + +This thread exists to ask questions regarding careers associated to STEM. +>Discussion on academia based career progression +>Discussion on penetrating industry from academia +>Or anything in relation to STEM employment or development within STEM academia! + +Resources for protecting yourself from academic marxists: +>https://www.thefire.org/ (US) +>https://www.jccf.ca/ (Canada) + +Information resource: +>https://sciencecareergeneral.neocities.org/ +>*The Chad author is seeking additional input to diversify the content into containing all STEM fields. Said author regularly views these /scg/ threads. + +No anons have answered your question? Perhaps try posting it here: >https://academia.stackexchange.com/ + +An archive of all the previous editions of /scg/: +>>>>>>>https://warosu.org/sci/ +--- 15349879 +>>15349846 (OP) +Some random anons here are giving out better advice than my college advisors. Well, it sounds like better advice, at least. +--- 15350225 +>>15349879 +Yeah these threads are good +--- 15350252 +>>15349879 +Factually correct but wrong conclusion. Those non thesis masters programs are perfect for someone who only wants to enter the industry without spending much on education. +For non US citizens like me, it is a glorified work permit. And that's exactly how I used it. No regrets. +--- 15350353 +>>15349879 +>that degree is a money mill for the department +what are you suggesting here? it doesn't matter if a degree is a money mill, or if it's prestigious or not, what solely matters is if it's going to help you get the job you want. my degree was a "money mill" by these standards, but i make 6 figures in my dream field now so suck it +>>15350252 +this +--- 15350381 +>>15349846 (OP) +Hi there! Keep up with the good work! + +Btw, I am an aspiring homeopath and I am trying to find a direct cure for sarcoma cancer. While anti-cancer miracle pills are dime-a-dozen, none of the homeopathic textbooks I own mentioned any specific remedies for brain cancer. + +I however, have developed a thorough solution to this gap. Homeopathy rely one the "cures-like-cures" holistic approach in which the cures must show the similar symptoms to the existing diseases. This method takes advantage of the quantum entanglement theories spread around in modern science. After furiously scanning throw possible ingredients for a potential cancer cure, it occured to me that the best one, even for what should the terminal case, should require the constant reversal of death (of a person) and life (of the cancer cells), which leads me to antimatter, which is matter opposite to that ours in every aspect. The only place I know which may have harvested antimatter is at the CERN laboratory in Bern, Suisse. + +The problem is that CERN does not grant security clearances to aspiring homeopaths. I am looking for volunteers to help me infiltrate CERN to extract a small amount of antimatter to test what may be.my universal cancer cure! Do it for science! +--- 15350457 +>>15349846 (OP) +hey /sci/. is biomedical engineering a meme, and which fields are the best to major in? +--- 15350485 +enrolled in physics uni +what should I expect? +--- 15350757 +>>15350381 +might want to make a separate thread for this lol +--- 15350824 +>>15350485 +Particle memes, quantum memeputing, incredibly boring astrophysics and 200 on the spectrum egotists who jerk themselves off about how "hard" physics is. + +Survive them and you have a comfy degree with plenty of opportunity and some decent career options (for stem). +--- 15350868 +>>15350485 +look at course syllabus +you will only learn very general physics theories without going to any application and specialization which can make you feel detached and eventually make you hate yourself + +best career +>computer security +--- 15350892 +what's the typical wait for a TS/SCI clearance, and why am i anxious about it despite having no red flags? +--- 15351596 +What kind of jobs can you get with an undergrad in Math? +--- 15351729 +The first information resource the topic presents is contradictory: + +>https://sciencecareergeneral.neocities.org/#mozTocId701620 + +On one hand, they say: + +>It is better to apply to an associate professor who is still just starting his career. You will be allowed to publish faster (and garner citations/attention while you work towards your Nature-tier cap). Many of my US collaborators are like this and they all have jobs at IBM and Google lined in their second year already. + +But on the other hand, they say: + +>It is important that the professor is experienced. One anon noted that: + +>>Go for experience profs who've had plenty of PhD students in the past. The single most important thing that determines your PhD experience is how good your supervisor is. + +>>My supervisor has been at his university for 30+ years, which means regular meetings, lab reports, and a structured plan for my PhD. Takes away so much anxiety to have someone know what they're doing. You don't want to flounder around for years with an incompetent supervisor not knowing wtf you're doing. + +Obviously there's a contradiction here. You can't have as a PhD tutor a guy who's at the same time an associate professor starting his career and a guy who had a lot of PhD students with 30+ years of experience. + +Noting this contradiction, which is better to choose as a PhD tutor then? A new professor or an established one? +--- 15351755 +Imagine lacking the critical thinking skills to take in the pros and cons of each and decide which option is the better one for your own situation +--- 15351829 +>>15351755 +The point for me is to do that + assess your answers and take them or not into account to make my decision you fucking retard +--- 15351850 +I'm a maths grad from a mid-tier Scottish university and am currently doing a master's in quantitative finance. I know some Python but I have no internships or work experience. How fucked am I? +--- 15351882 +>>15351850 +you're a faggot that jacks off to kiddie porn +--- 15351891 +>>15351882 +>sees loli +>immediately thinks about jacking off +I think you're projecting here, anon. +--- 15351912 +>>15351850 +What semester are you in? +There's still time to land a summer internship, look up banks and any big company nearby. + +Also work on your python and learn SQL + +>>15351596 +Depends if it's pure math, applied math, statistics, etc. +--- 15351919 +>>15351912 +>There's still time to land a summer internship +I have to work on my master's dissertation over the summer so an internship is not possible. What's SQL like? I tried a little bit of it in some labs but the retarded teachers never actually taught us the language and just gave us generic facts about SQL and NoSQL databases. +--- 15351952 +>>15351919 +SQL is baby shit, if you were able to learn some Python it will be much easier than that. Just get practice pulling/updating/inserting records and that’s all you really need. Anything complex regarding manipulating that data can be done with Python. Don’t brush it off though, it’s an essential skill for any job dealing with data. +--- 15351973 +>>15349846 (OP) +Anons... I really want a career that would serve the greater good. Like a doctor, but in STEM. The thought of slaving away at some corpo office creating a soulless product to help other people waste their precious lives on shit that doesn't matter makes me want to kms. I want to bring more good into this world. +--- 15352034 +>>15351919 +Pretty much what the other anon said, given that you'll be dealing with finance people, it's a big plus to be able to fluently make SQL queries. + +SQL lets you query relational databases. You have some set of big tables with data in them and you write lines of code that retrieve the parts you want; rows, columns, etc. You don't need to know advanced stuff, things like concurrent transactions are rarely done directly in SQL these days, but you should be familiar with querying for the information that you want by joining tables on keys etc. + +>>15351973 +Biomedical engineering +--- 15352089 +I thought about asking on my one and only favorite board /trv/, but I thought I'd ask you /sci/scg, because you cunts might be the most qualified to answer. + +Should I pursue medical school in a country that I hate? + +I'm 20. No career, no children, and not even a girlfriend. A little bit behind the curve already by about 2 or 3 years, now I've lost even more time. I had no problems securing a spot in accounting / econ or math / actuary (no debt). My country requires an exam to choose a BS / MD. The hurdle is that for medicine a lot of people take a while to pass. It'd take me 1 or maybe 2 more years to secure a spot in medical school here. + +It is something similar to the GAOKAO in China. A biased socialist test - to hell with it.. + +Is medicine a major or study that translates well into a successful immigration? + +When you scavenge the internet and look at international requirements to be a qualified GP or Specialist is even worse. + +However, a medical degree from a developed country (e.g the UK) seems to make it pretty easy to immigrate wherever you'd like. Only problem is that places like Hong Kong require examinations in order for your degree to be recognised in a private international clinic / research. + +I've really liked biology before, read foreign literature like Campbell's and so on (and classical /lit/ too). But I am afraid I am romanticizing things here and the 'hay days' of medicine are long gone. Doctors now have to deal with lgbt and negroes for example. I don't think I could even treat these brazilian rats motherfuckers If I was doctor, so it would have to be research to get the fuck out of this country. But that's another long road to take I think. Many go into specialties that they don't even like and are basically self-enslaved to it - if they make it through the bloddy expensive examinations. + +Is it even worth to do medical school in a non-english speaking country? + +Or should I take the gamble and go towards Math/Fin? +--- 15352124 +>Be me, doing my finals for high school +>where I live the only way to get into certain degrees is get good grades in high school +>be a depressed fuck, don't study at all, don't do my homework, even miss most of my lessons since covid made them online and I could just play vidya instead +>get average grades +>my application for physics gets rejected and I end up in mechanical engineering +>keep being a depressed fuck, slack off the whole first year of college +>next year have to change college for economy reasons, have only passed 2 exams studying the day before +>be so embarrassed that I don't tell them I have two exams passed, start from scratch +>this time is even worse, in a whole year I pass 0 exams at all. +>feel desperate, start working as a waiter +>my mother urges me to try yet again, says she will break her bones working if I can do it +>try yet another time, this time because of my grades I will get expelled if I don't pass at least 5 exams +>work for the whole first semester and don't attend to class, I honestly have already given up +>third year and I have no friends at uni, my hs friends all dropped out, I'm in only to not disappoint mom +>jenuary mom gets ill +>decide that I need to get that degree or I won't be able to help her with a shitty wageslave job +>attend my first physics class in 3 years +>holyshititsactuallyprettyinteresting.jpg +>start attending all my morning classes while working in the afternoon +>it's actually much easier than I thought, all you have to do is listen and take notes +>by attending I get friends in uni +>actually try to study to pass the exams and impress my new friends +>first grades of partial exams (if I pass them all I don't have to go for the final exam of that subject) +>Physics II: 10 best grade of my class +>Autocad and Inventor: 10 +>Economy and management: 9.5 best grade of my class +>Metallurgy: 6 (slacked off for this one but I passed it) +Never give up anons, trying is all you need to do. +--- 15352136 +>>15352124 +>gets filtered by intro physics +stick to engineering pls. +--- 15352141 +>>15352136 +I wasn't filtered by intro physics, I never got in at all because of my HS grades. +Because of covid I didn't attend any class so they gave me the bare minimum to pass (since I actually passed the exams) but nothing more since homework is part of the grades here. +--- 15352157 +>>15352141 +Unsuited students usually get filtered in grad school, only time will tell anon. +--- 15352172 +>>15352157 +Oh, I was absolutely an unfit student when out of HS, I spent 2 years slacking off and I am now wageslaving. I'm just saying to anons that are in the situation I was in 6 months ago that just because you used to be unfit doesn't mean you have to be all your life, +--- 15352263 +>>15352124 +>by attending i get friends in uni +never happened for me... +--- 15352264 +>>15349879 +best piece of wisdom i've heard on here is "if your grad program isn't paying your way it means they don't want you there" +--- 15352309 +Peeps, I'm about to go to college and I wanted to know whether there's good jobs in the math/engineering department that would allow me to work from home and earn a above-average income, ty +--- 15352326 +>>15352309 +yes +--- 15352342 +>>15352309 +More so the engineering side. Stick with either mechanical, electrical, or computer/software. Civil is a trap. +--- 15352351 +>>15352342 +If he wants remote then I'd steer away from mechanical and probably electrical too. +--- 15352365 +>>15350485 +Change to some kind of engineering, applied math, or anything else that has good job prospects. You'll always be at a disadvantage with physics, especially if you don't have a PhD. I find the general opinion of this general on physics to be much too optimistic. Yeah, there are career "options" like data analyst, patent attourney, and consultant, but those are dominated by physicists because they have few alternatives. Nobody who studies a STEM field actually WANTS to do consulting or to become a patent attourney. If they did, they'd have studied some business bullshit or law. Everyone who disagrees is coping and contributes to the destruction of countless lives of every generation: those of the physics grads. I wish someone had told me about the horrible job prospects after graduation. Everyone in my cohort was completely naive, and this is on purpose, because professors need cheap labour. +By all means, study physics, but only in conjunction with another field that has actual application in industry. +--- 15352367 +>>15352365 +Getting an engineering degree or a masters with real world applications is not that hard after getting a degree in physics though, right? +--- 15352376 +>>15352367 +It's still hard work, and you'll be exhausted after going through a whole physics degree. It also wastes years of your time. Most people don't finish their degree in the expected time. Imagine spending 6 - 8 years studying when you could have just studied engineering in the first place. You might not think about this while you're young, but starting late into the working life is a horrible feeling. +Even if an engineering master's after a physics bsc gets you into good jobs, it would still have been better for you to just study engineering in the first place. If you know what you want to do as a career, there is no place for physics in your studies, simple as. +Think about your career before choosing a field of study. I can guarantee you that not a single physics grad did. +Rant over +--- 15352440 +>>15352367 +Don't listen to >>15352376 + +If you want to be a physicist understand that you will have to go for a PhD and you can switch to any engineering masters you want after a physics bachelors. Or midway because physics and engineering students 1st and 2nd semesters are almost identical. +--- 15352441 +>>15351973 +>I really want a career that would serve the greater good. Like a doctor +--- 15352465 +>>15352440 +Oh no, don't get me wrong, I'm already studying engineering, but I always got the impression the switch is much easier from physics to engineering than the other way around. +--- 15352484 +>>15352124 +Good job, anon. +Meanwhile i always get Top 3 grades, never disappointed my family, never skipped class, and i still get no friends or a cute, shy and autistically dedicated to studies GF. +--- 15352573 +>>15352264 +The whole "getting into a PhD program then dropping when you fulfill the requirements to get a masters" thing is probably my only way of getting a masters. The tuition costs for a lot of the masters programs in even the mid-tier unis/colleges are still insane. +--- 15352708 +>>15352441 +What they don't tell you on Reddit is that insurance covers 99% of that bill +--- 15352854 +Is it too late/hopeless for a 30 y/o years out of college with no contacts to think about med school? Besides all the testing I thought one of the big requirements was getting letters of recommendation. How do you do that if you don't know anyone? +--- 15352882 +>>15352440 +>>15352376 +>>15352367 +i did grad school in ECE and we had physics grads show up and they were totally clueless and dropped out. it's so arrogant to think because you studied physics you are automatically going to do well in another discipline. i'm not saying it can't be done but don't dunning-kruger yourself +--- 15352886 +>>15352573 +haha i used to tell master's students to lie to the professors and tell them they planned on doing PhD. you'll get treated better. it's unethical though. anyway if you're only doing a masters there are tons of employers that will pay. do something like UF EDGE +--- 15352889 +>>15352854 +just be black or a woman +--- 15352962 +>>15352886 +Wait, there are companies that pay you to go to school? +No one told me this, not even my college's career counselors who get paid at insane salaries and brag about their "ties to industry." Is there anyway to learn more about these types of employers? +--- 15353011 +>>15352854 +What type of medicine are you looking for? +You can be in the medical field without having to go to med school. There are jobs like x-ray technicians that still have decent income. +--- 15353084 +>>15353011 +I'm a med tech in a clinical lab already and work somewhat closely with pathologists. Hematopathology seems interesting to me. I was wondering if it's even possible in my current position. The idea of looking at different types of data and piecing everything together to make a diagnosis seems interesting. +--- 15353108 +>>15352962 +haha how old are you? you sound clueless. what school do you go to? you can go to grad school basically free in a lot of STEM fields, and most employers have some kind of paid tuition program. i'm assuming you're in the US +--- 15353148 +>>15352962 +>jump: 34.5% +fucking hell that's awful +--- 15353160 +>>15353148 +one in three took physics 101 in their life to know which height to jump above from +--- 15353166 +>>15353160 +As a matter of fact it is named terminal velocity for a reason +--- 15353217 +>>15353166 +...not that reason, though +--- 15353816 +>>15352342 +is civil that bad? if you check BLS, it has a higher % growth rate than ME/EE +--- 15353826 +>>15352264 +what's a white straight guy to do if he comes from a family well-off enough to not get any free money, but not well-off enough to pay for all my tuition? +--- 15353832 +>>15351729 + +You know you can have multiple PhD supervisors right? One will be the lead one for sure, but there is absolutely nothing stopping you from publishing papers with your second guy without the oversight of the first guy. Both will need to have input on your thesis for sure, but best of both worlds here is viable. +--- 15353835 +>>15352854 +Most doctors are happy to let you shadow them/be a scribe/etc if you express interest in wanting to go to med school or consider optometry school. +--- 15353844 +>>15353826 +scholarships, internships, assistantships, and fellowships. all the ships. and remember they aren't going to audit your FAFSA +--- 15353849 +>>15353844 +>>15353826 +>scholarships, internships, assistantships, and fellowships. all the ships. and remember they aren't going to audit your FAFSA +FAFSA comment is more for undergrad. in grad school they will pay you regardless of income levels if you're in a legit STEM field +--- 15353856 +>>15353849 +they give me loan options out the ass to cover 2x tuition, but i dont qualify for most scholarships in my field as a lot of them specify you need to be minority/woman and there aren't many of them anyway. +fellowships pay like ass and it'd just be better to go get a real job instead. +i'm just tanking it and hoping i can just pay it down quickly when i get out of school. +--- 15353866 +>>15353856 +more like state lottery funded scholarships not the private ones. and yeah you don't make bank being a PhD student +--- 15354023 +>>15351850 +Hello fellow britbro +--- 15354028 +>>15351850 +you're right where you're supposed to be m8. a lot of people wanting to go into finance these days are secretly underdeveloped midwit codemonkeys. +--- 15354098 +>>15350892 +1 year in the best case. But thanks to that stupid airforce fuck, every person involved with the process will be getting bitched at, and the people doing the investigations will just sit around for months or years to make it look like they're being extra careful now. The same thing happened with the OPM breach 7 years ago. Everything slowed down + +You're anxious b/c the failure to obtain a clearance can negatively effect you for life, if most of your employment options require it. + +You might as well sign a piece of paper that gives the govt permission to stick a hand up your ass, and if they don't like the smell they'll get you fired. +--- 15354109 +>>15354028 +But he must have decent programming skills if he got admitted to a quantitative finance programme +--- 15354183 +>>15354109 +Not necessarily, many just plod through excel their whole careers +--- 15354858 +>>15354098 +>You might as well sign a piece of paper that gives the govt permission to stick a hand up your ass +that's exactly what filling out SF-86 feels like +--- 15355040 +>>15349846 (OP) +Which one of you was this? +--- 15355046 +>>15352465 +It’s not. Physics is a 4 year degree, ~120 credits. Engineering is technically a 5 year degree, ~135 credits. People get it done in 4 because they slam 18 credits a semester. Not to mention, you won’t be eligible for licensure with a physics degree. +--- 15355096 +>>15355040 +Grad students need to learn +--- 15355637 +>>15353108 +>how old are you +Early 20s +>what school do you go to +local college owned by my city +>you can go to grad school basically free in a lot of STEM fields +Where or how do I know more about these employers that pay you to go to grad school? Sorry for my ignorance, I'm just learning about this now. +--- 15355666 +>>15353148 +It's also surprising that gun suicides are only 82% lethal. I guess it's because of idiots aiming at the wrong area. +--- 15355878 +>>15352365 +>>15352376 +Except a degree in engineering is not saving everyone anymore mate. You are fucking delusional. Do you have any friends going into IT or trying to become steel workers? Probably not, those are dead careers and that stuff was sent to china and india back when W was president. Chemistry is no different. Don’t think that our science is special or unique just because you like it or for any other reason, because it isn’t. I like chemistry and you seem to as well but the MBA’s running the show don’t feel that way, a scientist is just another employee and far less valuable than the salespeople who actually generate revenue. Bruce Roth discovered Lipitor, made billions for Pfizer and was laid off like a chump. You give a company a blockbuster and they give you a pink slip. You will be hired and fired according to the needs/want of the company’s balance sheets and stockholders. We don’t even need to get into the stiff competition for those jobs: either from experienced people in industry who were laid off but still have families to feed or from foreigners willing to work for peanuts. An MBA doesn’t know the difference between a guy who worked for EJ Corey and a guy from Nanjing University, except one of them is probably willing to accept a much lower salary… You finished a total synthesis of some giant molecule? Congrats, so did everyone else whose resumes are sitting in a stack on some HR person’s desk.There are no academic jobs and the golden age of pharma was long gone by the time you started elementary school. 5+ years of phd 2+ of post-doc, medschool? residency? haha, only to have to deal with the modern population of the great modern world, no fucking thanks. +--- 15355881 +What can I do after I finish a PhD in physics? +--- 15355895 +>>15355881 +Ponder the universe while smoking a cig +--- 15355903 +>>15355878 +I'm not quite sure I understand what you're getting at. I didn't mention chemistry at all, and I'd say it's almost as bad as physics for job prospects. I don't know what degree will actually net you a job, but the natural sciences certainly aren't it. If I could start my life over, I'd just skip university and go for a sysadmin position. +--- 15355938 +>>15355903 +I was just mentioning chem to make a correlation with your post who wasn't exactly all bad. + +You are just another fucking imbecile rat who doesn't understand anything. + +At lot of technology companies aren't profitable (yet) and rely on venture capital in order to survive. + +In a low interest rate environment such capital is all over the place and easy to get (basically the risk to potential return makes it worth doing). + +As interest rates climb this is no longer the case a lot of tech companies are finding it difficult to impossible to get additional funding, which means they are tightening up their operations to try to survive under the revenue they can currently produce. + +This has flow on impacts, a lot of companies receive money from other technology companies paying for licenses to their software, if those companies die, or have less employees that impacts the bottom line. Similarly with AWS, Azure, etc. + +Then you just have some really poor decisions in scaling and investment by some of the companies (like Meta) which have hit a lot of their reserves. + +So don't spout garbage like "hey just go to tech / engineering" +--- 15355990 +>>15355938 +What's your solution then? What should you study if you want to have a job? Learn a trade? Genuine question because I don't see any job prospects for myself with my physics degree. +--- 15356034 +>>15355990 +Semiconductor industry +--- 15356037 +>>15355938 +I don't know man, where I live mechanical engineers get hired the moment they finish uni. +When you talk about "tech companies" I feel like you are specifically talking about software startups, but that's not really what most engineering degrees specialize into. +--- 15356071 +>>15356037 +>where I live mechanical engineers get hired the moment they finish uni. +The exception, certainly not the rule. +No one can guarantee you that the profession will be bearable on your day-to-day life either. +I'm not trying to be rude at all, just stating something so people don't go believing blindly on this thread. +--- 15356075 +Test +--- 15356096 +>>15355637 +Wait, there are people who fund themselves through grad school in stem? +--- 15356144 +>>15355881 +Depends on your specialism but generally: teaching, postdoc, finance/investment, engineering consulting, patent examiner, quantum computing startup, research scientist for intel/microsoft/other, research scientist at a research institution, some datasci and analyst jobs, sales for a scientific instruments company, be a civil servant, work in defence or space or intelligence. +--- 15356147 +>>15350485 +more programming than you think, less information than you expect. you're gonna read books from 60 years ago and you're not gonna enjoy it. + +whether the degree is hard or not really depends where youre studying (both country and specific uni). I've had clowns here telling me it's an easy degree while I struggled, but they had 20 weekly hours at uni while I had 40+ (depending on the semester), at a top uni in my region. +--- 15356206 +>>15356096 +Yeah, how dare I try to find ways to pay for an education. +Are you brown by any chance? Hispanic? +--- 15356246 +>>15356144 +Are there decent amounts of opportunities in those? +--- 15356331 +What STEM field is better for this? +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztzq05IzYds&t=196s [Embed] +--- 15356425 +>>15356331 +I know this sounds weird, but you won't find that vibe in STEM, most people there hate their job or could care less about it on a personal level. You have to join the ranks of Schwab, Bill Gates, etc. Basically, government and politics. +--- 15356625 +My opinion about this might be naive, but I don't think it is right to tell every young person that visits /scg/ to drop their interest or dissuade them from pursuing university courses in subjects like physics, chemistry, biology, geology, pharmacy etc. +If every undergrad in STEM decided to study computer science, mathematics or medicine, then what will happen of scientific advancement? +--- 15356693 +>>15356625 +They should learn those topics outside of university if they are interested. There is simply not enough employment options involving those degrees. STEM fields are saturated enough. Use your STEM degree as a launching pad for non-STEM career. +--- 15356818 +>>15356625 +>then what will happen of scientific advancement? +Many issues with this sentiment of yours. First, /scg/ is not about what is best for the world, it's about what's best for the individuals looking to have careers in science. Currently the best advice is to not try to have a career in science. + +Second, as anon said most STEM fields are oversaturated. It's not as if there's a shortage of graduates threatening to stop the scientific fields, quite the opposite. Having less people might even make things better for the people in these fields. + +Third, the vast majority of people with STEM degrees do not get jobs which really require or even benefit from their subject specialization. These people will not participate in any scientific advancement anyway. They will not apply their knowledge and will forget all of it. Even if these people wanted to participate in furthering our knowledge they will not be able to, for the most part. Even if you make it to academia you'll be forced to play politics and musical chairs which will almost entirely sideline you from actual science. + +Frankly, higher education is a scam in general. This is slowly but definitely dawning on the general populace. Having a degree will remain advantageous for some time because attitudes don't change overnight, so it is not entirely without value for the individual, but if we're being honest there is simply no need to have a physicist in a bank. I think it is disgusting that young people are led astray, lied to and shackled with debt. I will do my best to tell them my honest opinon, what they do with that is up to them. +--- 15356868 +Is studying AI worth it? Or is fluid mechanics (eg hydrodynamics) a better choice? I don't want to do pure mathematics as I want to have a way out after my master's and a bunch of grad level algebraic topology classes prepare you for absolutely nothing while with applied maths you can always find real work. +--- 15356875 +>>15356818 +>physicist in a bank +I fucking hate these physics PhDs who take up valuable training, funding and research opportunities and then spend the rest of their career at an investment bank or something similar. Why get a physics PhD in the first place if you wanted to work at a bank or hedge fund. Same applies to other subjects too. + +I also hate people in STEM who do MBAs right/soon after graduating. Why did they do STEM then? +--- 15356876 +>>15355637 +if you go for PhD you can get teaching or research assistantship with a professor. if you get a fellowship even better. +if you go the employer route, basically an big company (or government org) will have something. pick a random big corporation, how about raytheon, then search raytheon tuition, this comes up +https://www.rtx.com/news/2022/09/30/employee-scholar-program +even shitty wagie jobs at walmart have tuition assistance +https://corporate.walmart.com/newsroom/2021/07/27/walmart-to-pay-100-of-college-tuition-and-books-for-associates +--- 15356888 +>>15356875 +>Why get a physics PhD in the first place if you wanted to work at a bank or hedge fund. Same applies to other subjects too. +>I also hate people in STEM who do MBAs right/soon after graduating. Why did they do STEM then? +Everything is more competitive nowadays. You're a hedge fund manager who's got two applications on the desk. One is a physics student the other has a meme business degree a literal middle schooler could have gotten. It's a no contest. Also the necessary stuff the latter has learned (eg valuation) can be learned by the former in a few hours. +--- 15356930 +>>15356875 +It's not that straightforward. Again, the amount of physics PhDs that graduate is orders of magnitude greater than the amount of available physics research positions. And even of those positions the majority are complete dogshit postdoc-tier jobs. The vast majority of physics PhDs don't end up doing research in the long term not because they didn't want to but simply because they cannot (or are not willing to degrade themselves to poorly paid single-year contract jobs requiring moving every two years). Maybe some people never wanted to be in academia to begin with, but they are far from being the main issue at hand, if anything they are doing everyone else a favor. + +Your anger would make sense if there was a shortage of practicing physicists, but there is not. In fact getting a physics PhD and leveraging that to get a bank/hedge fund position is getting more use out of your degree than most will. No it doesn't make sense and yes it's a waste of everyone's time but at least it worked out for the grad in question. +--- 15357035 +>>15356888 +>>15356930 +While I agree with these points, I will defend the other guy a little. The people who go on from Physics/Maths/Stats PhDs to hede funds or top tier banks usually have top tier degrees. We are talking MIT or similar. These are the kind of people who have enough intelligence (and advantages in life) that could easily land a top research position and if they submerged themselves into their pure physics/maths/stats work would likely have a very successful career with more than one significant breakthrough. Instead they end up having breakthroughs for hedge funds to make more money. + +However I think the fundamental issue is how universities are structured. The incentives are simply not aligned to attract ultra-high-achievers which is what would describe these top tier MIT grads. In finance you make as much money as you generate in value. In a university there are multiple layers of bureaucracy which decide what you will make. You could produce 2X the output and still receive the same compensation. It simply does not make sense for an ultra-high-achiever to limit themselves like this. However I, like many, am simply waiting for the current academic landscape to collapse due to the weight of its own inefficiencies. It just can't happen fast enough. +--- 15357103 +>>15357035 +My melanated friend I did my physics undergergrad and PhD at Oxford, am currently a postdoc at Harvard and I am absolutely not even close to making it in research. It's the same for me as everyone else. The people around me filtered into consulting/patent law/coding and only a very tiny fraction into research or even technical positions. Again not because they wanted to (though some probably did) but mostly because they had no chance of making it in academia. I'm going to have to do the same because all I see ahead of me is infinite postdoc hell. + +I'm not going to be making it in a hedge fund either for that matter. That transition gets very difficult after a while and is most natural out of undergrad. Anyway seething about banks is kind of useless because it's not a particularly large sector for physics grad hiring. Yeah it does happen but way more go into the stuff I mentioned. +--- 15357193 +why is it so hard to find entry-level EE jobs? wtf bros I thought EE was in high demand +--- 15357227 +>>15357193 +STEM jobs are a total fabrication, they don't exist, nobody has them, anybody that says they have one is an actor, a malicious entity trying to deceive you into thinking these jobs exist so they can extract as much from you and your family's generational wealth as possible to expand and refine the algorithm +--- 15357326 +>>15357103 +I don't know if this post is bait or things really are that bad in physics research these days. +>>15356888 +Agreed. Perhaps the better question to ask is what the hedge fund manager studied/worked as to get to the position he has. +>>15356930 +I agree that most postdoc positions pay poorly and academia has its own set of problems. Then wouldn't it be simpler to just reduce the number of available PhD positions to manageable numbers, such that those who do get a PhD are able to get good wages? +>>15356930 +I agree. The people who could have led to some advancement in their scientific fields are now helping some rich old fart get even more rich. It is true that it is better for the individual, who receives much more money. But in the long term, it is a net loss for science. Imagine if the Gauss of today was influenced into working for an HFT firm rather into physics research. +Btw, I don't really have anything against physicists. Just wanted to illustrate the point of people in STEM doing jobs unrelated to their degree, which is a global problem. The most simple solution would be to limit the number of positions, but that seems unlikely. +--- 15357352 +>>15357035 +>However I, like many, am simply waiting for the current academic landscape to collapse due to the weight of its own inefficiencies. It just can't happen fast enough. +what are your predictions for this? +--- 15357443 +>>15356875 +>Why get a physics PhD in the first place if you wanted to work at a bank or hedge fund +You misunderstand the situation. Physicists can't really choose where they work after a PhD. They tend to take whatever jobs they can get. There is no real market for physicists. +--- 15357494 +>>15356625 +If they're passionate enough to be willing to take the risks involved then they wouldn't be here asking for advice. +Also you're clearly under 18, why would geology or pharmacy be discouraged on scg? Get some fucking life experience before posting, faggot + +>>15356868 +Rule of thumb for degrees is AI < Machine Learning < Statistics (and Machine Learning). +But yeah applied math is the way to go. If you want to hedge your bets go for a Stats and ML type degree (different names in different universities, sometimes in the applied maths faculty sometimes in the compsci one, but you get the idea) +--- 15357497 +>>15356868 +Employers don't care how applicable your degree is, they care how much of a brainlet filter it its. Pure math is the best if you want to make money. +--- 15357501 +Hopefully I'll be finishing my pure math degree in a couple of years and I want to start exploring my options. + +Maybe something finance or tech related, but honestly don't know where to start looking. I want to start picking up the skills I'll need to have in order to get a job. + +The bad thing is that I'll be in my mid to late 30's when I finish (I changed careers). Europe based btw. + +Any advice? Thanks! +--- 15357524 +Starting to regret changing field from physics to neuroscience for my PhD desu. I can't wrap my head around all these wet lab techniques and controlling for cofounding variables and statistical methods and the psychology way of doing things. Keeping my fingers crossed they'll let me switch to a supervisor that does more computational work. +--- 15357526 +>>15357501 +Stats and coding. Some Python, SQL, and R would get you pretty far in finance and tech. Alternatively/additionally operations research, heuristics for optimization is a growing field. +--- 15357574 +Stop doomposting you stupid fucks, you are making me insecrue about studying mechanical engineering +--- 15357626 +>>15357574 +You'll be fine faggot, just don't be retarded and pass your courses +--- 15357652 +I wish I had just gone for a comfy public servant position instead of going to university. I just want a safe job where I can chill. +--- 15357849 +>>15356206 +European and everyone I know in grad school got funding through their workplace, university or a research institution. No need to self-fund +--- 15357898 +>>15356246 +Plenty but keep in mind it depends on your specialism. Particle physics grads can struggle because their field is oversaturated and their skills are too far from industry and applied physics. That said they can still apply to the non-research jobs and the fields I listed are either experiencing a shortage of physics grads or have multiple hiring rounds a year. You don't even need to be that good for them. +It may be anecdotal, but I keep track of PhDs I've worked with or who went to my institution and the only ones who struggled for employment were looking for a niche postdoc and unwilling to move state/country. +--- 15357914 +>>15357326 +It's partially bait. Physics research is in a poor place generally but how bad really depends on which field and which country. Varies wildly. + +Universities can't reduce PhD numbers because their senior researchers lose so much time to teaching/admin, making the research output dominated by PhD contributions. +--- 15357919 +>>15357652 +Use you uni degree to skip or fast track to higher up public servant positions. Can still be safe and chill +--- 15357930 +>>15357919 +I haven't seen any positions as of yet where I could use my master's in thin film physics to land me a position. I'm in Germany, so things are probably different from the US situation. There are very specific requirements and degrees for any position, and most that can remotely use a physics degree require a PhD in a relevant field. I've thought about doing a 2 year apprenticeship for a low tier position, but I'm already in my late 20's so it'd be an uphill battle. +--- 15357940 +>>15357494 +You don't know what you're talking about. Enjoy having a ratio of thousand software engineers and to one chemist/physicist/biologist in the future. +--- 15357943 +>>15357930 +Understandable, that does sound more difficult. You might be able to leverage your degree for quick promotions but is unlikely +--- 15357986 +>>15357035 +>However I think the fundamental issue is how universities are structured. +The issue is that society is structured around capital. +>>15357326 +>Agreed. Perhaps the better question to ask is what the hedge fund manager studied/worked as to get to the position he has. +Probably ivy league business. +--- 15358001 +>>15357940 +The current ratio is already 30:1, and codemonkeys are STILL more in demand. +It would be incredibly irresponsible to push indecisive people to study something that will give them much worse life prospects. +Therefore, you are a nigger and a faggot. +--- 15358040 +>>15357494 +>Rule of thumb for degrees is AI < Machine Learning < Statistics (and Machine Learning). +Ok thanks. +>>15357497 +>Employers don't care how applicable your degree is, they care how much of a brainlet filter it its. Pure math is the best if you want to make money. +What kind of employer are we talking about? If finance then maybe you're right. But if I want to find meaningful work applied math will take me further, no? I doubt any lab would hire a student with an Msc in Riemannian geometry. +--- 15358080 +>>15358001 +>demand demand demand +Completely missing the point I was trying to make. Don't regret when the scientific output of your country stalls when every eligible scientist decides to work as a software engineer etc. Btw this is already happening in many developing countries. +--- 15358100 +>>15358080 +Your "point" is completely inconsequential. +This is STEM CAREER GENERAL, the "country's scientific output" is completely irrelevant when giving advice to anons about their careers. +--- 15358118 +But for reals, if after the engineering degree I get a masters degree the issue solves itself doesn't it? +The problem is a lot of retards finish the 4 years and then try to find a job while completely unqualified to do anything +--- 15358187 +>>15358080 +There are way more science PhDs than science research positions. If a country's research output is stalling it's because they haven't invested enough into making actual research jobs. More people getting a PhD won't help this, there's already enough willing to become scientists, they simply go elsewhere because there aren't enough science jobs. +--- 15358217 +>>15358080 +I'd argue that the science output would grow if less people did a PhD. It's much easier to concentrate on your work if you don't have to constantly worry about your next years of employment. +--- 15358244 +>>15357193 +only niche areas in any traditional engineering discipline are actually in demand, basic bitch generic EE or ME is never in demand +--- 15358254 +>>15358118 +Companies don't actually care as much about technical skills as they care about soft skills and experience. They're probably just gonna vet you anyways. +--- 15358271 +>>15358254 +>soft skills +I can speak with people +> experience +My university makes us work in companies during last year and the last year project can actually be produced if financed so you can get out of uni with already something on your cv +>They're probably just gonna vet you anyways +I don't know what the fuck this means. +--- 15358291 +>>15358271 +>I don't know what the fuck this means. +They take you to a vet (animal doctor, cheaper than people doctor), do a basic health checkup, give you missing vaccinations and install a microchip. +--- 15358297 +>>15358271 +vet (third-person singular simple present vets, present participle vetting, simple past and past participle vetted). To thoroughly check or investigate particularly with regard to providing formal approval. +--- 15358309 +>>15358291 +Oh that makes sense, thanks +--- 15358325 +>>15357574 +>mechanical engineering +He fell for the ME meme. +--- 15358362 +I need some advice. I am a physics major in America, need 5 classes left to graduate, in other words this semester plus 1 more class over the summer. I had been doing excellently in my classes until last semester where I collapsed randomly, unable to care seemingly. The semester was so bad it dropped me from a 3.8 GPA to a 3.26. I should note these were not in physics, as that semester I was taking philosophy electives mostly. I figured it was an aberration, but it happened again. Going strong until post-spring break I just could not seem to focus or do work. At this point my best case scenario is 2 Bs, 1 C, and 1 F. (granted, none of these are major's core classes -- I got an A in all of those (done with my physics requirements, now doing electives and stuff like state government)). More likely is 2 Fs and 2 Cs. +Most likely this is some mental stump, something akin to depression or burnout. I have been considering withdrawing for a semester, and continuing next Spring, and in the meantime getting a retail job or something and focusing on other side interests I have (such as learning languages, reading interesting books, learning math and CS stuff). Ultimately I want to finish my BS, and go for at least a masters. I would think 4 Ws looks better than two consecutive shitty semesters. The main thing standing in the way is the shame I would feel, mainly with respect to my parents as they have been so supporting (in addition to paying), and with high expectations. It more or less feels like a betrayal of their trust. Additionally, they live in Europe, and the plan had been that I would do my graduate school over there starting next year in the fall. I just feel terrible having to tell them this would have to be canceled, and that recently every time they asked me how things are going, and that I responded with "fine", it was a lie. +--- 15358459 +>>15358362 +Getting some bad grades isn't the end of the world. It's a prominent part of your current life so it'll feel important but in time you'll see it's not worth getting all twisted up over. Setbacks are a part of life, and it might even be healthy to come to terms with not being all perfect all the time. That said, it's a good idea to try and get your shit together, not least because you'll restore your confidence. + +I would recommend not withdrawing unless you really can't avoid it. You'll just kick the can down a road and it'll be a lot of hassle for you. It's hard for me to articulate but things generally follow a certain path and once you stray from it you will feel out of place/sync and it'll take a bit of mental effort to get everything going again. And dropping out for a semester is probably more to explain than some crappy philosophy grades. +--- 15358460 +>>15358362 +Damn sounds tuff. +--- 15358461 +>>15358362 +How do you get an F in a non-STEM class? Literally impossible (unless you got politically incorrect or something). In any case stop feeling bad for yourself and finish your degree. +--- 15358589 +>>15357526 + +Cheers, I appreciate it. Could you expand a little bit more on that? Share any more details or ideas? Thanks. +--- 15358727 +>>15358461 +I just could not be bothered to do any work. As for this semester, it is actually 3 STEM classes, and 1 meme class. +>>15358459 +Right, so a realistic scenario is 2 Fs and 2 Cs at this point. That lowers me to below a 3.0 (hence filtering me out of graduate school). In addition, I will have to stay for next Fall, and possibly spring depending on whether they offer the classes I need to graduate (stat minor). +--- 15358737 +>>15357914 +Don't know why you're saying my post is bait but it isn't. I really did go to those universities, and while there I of course got to know quite a lot of people with similar career aspirations. The people who got their own research groups at a university I could count with one hand. Partially that's of course affected by the fact that they're fairly early in their careers, but even so, the vast majority ended up getting out of science sooner or later. + +There's another important aspect to this, which is that university name is not everything, especially at the research level. It does help in some ways, but it would be foolish to assume that someone from MIT is a godly genius and always better (in skills or prospects) than someone from Meme State University. + +t. >>15357103 +--- 15358748 +>>15358727 +Just do the work retard you are basically self sabotaging. +--- 15358767 +>>15358727 +Can you not wothdraw on a class by class basis? Just withdraw from the ones you're going to fail and retake them in the summer, a 3 class summer load isn't too bad, a sub 3 GPA will effectively eliminate you from any graduate school that isn't a scam. + +But isn't it past the withdraw deadline anyway? +--- 15358773 +>>15358767 +It's not past the withdraw from the university deadline. I have no drops remaining (used them during COVID). +--- 15358786 +>>15358727 +>>15358748 +>you are basically self sabotaging +This. It sounds like you have some sort of transient self-esteem issue and this sometimes leads to self-harm (in your case, flunking your classes). You pity yourself then do some harm to yourself which leads you to pity yourself some more, etc. It's a quite common psychological phenomenon. The ideal way is to realize what it all is and simply stop doing the harm part while simultaneously picking yourself up. This may not be very popular on this board but perhaps try praying. Where in Europe are you from? This self-harm shit is quite popular amongst Easterners. +--- 15358847 +>>15358786 +Britain. +I won't dispute the self-sabotage claim, but in this case isn't it already done? Why is it less sabotage-y to withdraw and take another semester off, then returning while still having a mildly respectable GPA instead of the shitshow it's going to be after this semester? +--- 15358856 +Are you happy with your career choice ? +--- 15358863 +>>15358856 +I've realized happiness was never an option. +--- 15358870 +>>15358847 +>the shitshow it's going to be after this semester +How do you know it's going to be a shitshow after this semester? You gotta try your best to finish strong if you can't withdraw and see how you feel by the end of the current semester. How's your mental health anyway? Are you going out, do you have friends you hang out with? Depression is normally treated with SSRIs so you may want to see your school psych but as a good student you have no reason to be depressed imo. +--- 15358874 +>>15357574 +Go electrical engineering or industrial engineering +--- 15358895 +>>15352962 +>not even my college's career counselors +Career counselors are to industry professionals as gym teachers are to pro athletes. +Counselors are invariably stupid. They become counselors because they can't hack it anywhere else. +--- 15358907 +>>15358874 +But I like physics and thermodynamics and motors and producing mechanical force.... +--- 15358919 +>>15358870 +>How do you know it's going to be a shitshow after this semester? +Because I can calculate what my grade is right now, and take into account what is said in the syllabus (dropped HWs, curves etc.). When I said B B C F was the absolute _best_ case, it really is. +>How's your mental health anyway? Are you going out, do you have friends you hang out with? Depression is normally treated with SSRIs so you may want to see your school psych but as a good student you have no reason to be depressed imo. +Not too great, but nothing I haven't recovered from in the past. I don't have much of a social life, but I have always been a sort of autist-schizo. I have about 2 friends I hang out with on occasion, and acquaintances from classes and basketball courts. +--- 15358987 +>>15358362 +It's fine anon, especially since you're (ostensibly) european, where it's normal to not finish "on time". No need to be ashamed as long as you complete it. + +>>15358856 +Yes, I can work remotely when I want and shitpost on company time + +>>15358589 +A lot of these overlap or go by different names, operations research scientist is sometimes just called data scientist for example. Or some jobs will be described as "systems engineer" but be primarily about optimization algorithms. + +>Data Analyst & Data Scientist + Broad field and lots of overlap, but generally ranges from making dashboards with data visualizations to creating predictive models based on historical data. Python + SQL + Stats. + +>Actuary & Risk Analyst +Not always the same, but similar enough. Basically using math to measure risk for insurance (typically) but also financial investments in general. Definitely want to brush up on statistics for this one, maybe some R too. Probably a good idea to take an economics/finance elective as well. + +>Optimization Engineer +Varies a lot and often goes by different names (e.g. Operations Research Scientist), ranges from algos and operations research to design optimization of structures/topologies etc. The guys I know in this field /adjacent fields use Java/Scala on the more software heavy side of things, but I don't know for sure what's most widely used. + +Banks and investment firms are a good place to look, but also aerospace and logistics companies. For Data Science/Analytics it's basically any company you want, everyone hires them these days or uses it as a catch-all term for a bunch of other positions. +--- 15359009 +>>15358919 +>Because I can calculate what my grade is right now, and take into account what is said in the syllabus (dropped HWs, curves etc.). When I said B B C F was the absolute _best_ case, it really is. +Ok can you withdraw? If yes then do it (for the two bad classes at least; if you feel like you can handle one or two classes that'd be nice and it would take some workload off of you in the next semesters). If you can't then do your best (obviously) and use the summer to work on yourself. +>>15358987 +>It's fine anon, especially since you're (ostensibly) european, where it's normal to not finish "on time". No need to be ashamed as long as you complete it. +Aren't bachelors 4 years in the US instead of the regular 3? +--- 15359013 +>>15358987 + +Thanks again, I know this is personal, but do you think it's worth to pick up the skills to aim for the highest paying kind of jobs? or do the long hours/stress make it not worth it in the end? + +I'd like to get a remote job down the line, but wouldn't mind moving again to a big city and put long hours for a while if the pay is right. Any opinions on this? Cheers. +--- 15359015 +>>15359009 +>Aren't bachelors 4 years in the US instead of the regular 3? +Yes, but they graduate high school a year before most Europeans do. So in Europe that 1st year of college becomes the last year of high school instead. + +What I was referring to was how many Europeans spend for example 4 years on a 3 year degree by taking gap years, internships, switching majors, etc. +--- 15359033 +>>15359013 +It really depends anon, but salary and hours aside, it's still a good idea to pick up skills that give you the flexibility to choose. Opening up more career options for yourself doesn't hurt. +--- 15359058 +>>15359015 +>Yes, but they graduate high school a year before most Europeans do. +No, it's 18 afaik. +>What I was referring to was how many Europeans spend for example 4 years on a 3 year degree by taking gap years, internships, switching majors, etc. +Not sure about that. Switching majors is probably easier in the US (unis love it since you end up spending more). In public schools in Europe it would definitely be more of a hassle. As for gap years I don't know if they're that popular here. +--- 15359102 +>>15359058 +19 in Scandinavia, Finland, and parts of Germany at least, where they have 3 year bachelors. Spain also does 18, but their bachelor degrees are 4 years. +And you're right it's easier to switch in the US, but that's why it's more socially acceptable to be delayed in your studies. Most of my peers spent 6-7 years on their bachelors and masters combined, either by being behind on their studies, taking gap years or switching programs. +--- 15359169 +>>15352089 +Medicine is a meme in non 1st world countries because they're actually ran by cartels. If you manage to get in as a mediocre student the path ahead is going to be very difficult. It's an extra 5 years of school and because you're an immigrant without any connections, finding a residency spot will be hardest thing to do and it's a requirement to finish your degree. Resident doctors get paid less than min wage so you'll start your actual career in your early-mid 30s and will make less than a 23yo engineer straight out of college in your lifetime because of the extra school/debt you've compounded over the years. +--- 15359177 +>>15357898 +How about nuclear physics? +--- 15359272 +hello once i graduate from bachelor math what do? +--- 15359324 +>>15359272 +See previous posts ITT +--- 15359394 +>>15358987 +>>15359009 +Thanks guys. I will think about what was said. +--- 15359453 +>>15359169 +Thanks man, I was under the same impression and feeling. Those cunts on the archives from 2015 and earlier, here and in other forums, were all right. + +That settles it, fair enough. +--- 15359574 +>>15358856 +could be better, could be worse. id probably enjoy it a lot more if i didnt have so much debt over my head. +--- 15359799 +>>15358856 +I do something I actually enjoy (though I often don't realise that until I take a holiday or break). +Doesn't pay the best, nor have the lightest workload and honestly it's a lot of stress but I do like it. So I'm content with my job and think I would be much less happy with the soulless finance jobs my peers filtered into +--- 15359860 +Since the profession is shilled here so much: +What do I need to know if I want to become a patent attourney? What are the inverviews like? What do I need to read up on before applying? What do I expect if I'm accepted? +--- 15359871 +>>15359177 +Plasma and fusion people are doing great and it's a good time to start because by the time you need a job, the current fusion labs should be working and the new generation will be in design/building. Unless governments see that NIF and ITER are going nowhere and pull all funding so there is that to worry about. + +For fission nuclear physics, general radioactivity, heavy nuclei and nuclei under extreme conditions... The impression I get is that things are fine, the field isn't rapidly changing, growing or shrinking and governments are pretty regular with funding it. Government and defence are regular employers for obvious reasons. Research institutions with accelerator and neutron sources or reactors are also big employers. For industry jobs outside of the obvious nuclear there is fabrication of nuclear generators for space craft and fabrication of medical or other radioisotopes, both normally done in research institutes anyway. You also have the option of going into medicine and training to be a radiotherapy technician or specialist, same for tomography and radiology. There aren't a huge number of research jobs nor universities which do experimental nuclear physics research but those that do exist are stable and not hugely competitive since it's seen as a more boring and less popular branch of physics. +--- 15359880 +Thoughts on Technical Physics undergrad? (major Polish uni) +From the syllabus it seems like it's the standard physics theories mixed with some computer science and mechanics +--- 15359901 +>>15359871 +>those that do exist are stable and not hugely competitive since it's seen as a more boring and less popular branch of physics. +Really? What's seen as cool these days? Dark matter? +--- 15359967 +>>15359860 +Find a big national/international place like the EPO or IPO or equivalent. There are smaller firms but the big national ones are the most likely to employ scientists. They will employ you as a patent inspector, posts go up multiple times a year. As an inspector you don't work on the legal side. Instead you'll look at a patent applications, I'll use the example of a new electrical amplifier. From the application you'll need to judge will this amplifier work, is the physics correct, does it bring something new and commercially important to the industry, does it infringe on existing patents and is it likely to be infringed upon. Essentially use your technical knowledge do give the office all the needed information to decide if it is worth spending money defending and enforcing the new patent. + +Given that, what a patent office want is someone with technical knowledge of a field, or the skills to get to grips with it quickly. They generally take masters students and assign them a technical area to specialise in. Research skills are a plus since checking if a new invention is derivative is much like a literature search. You'll need an eye for detail, paperwork, writing up and presenting findings and good communication with the clients who submit applications and with patent attorneys. +Interviews normally have multiple rounds, a technical one then a personal one. +Worth reading up on the role of an inspector, as well as enough to show you're familiar with a branch of tech and the innovations in it to at least a basic level. + +Once you get it expect a lot of training about the legal stuff and your specialist field. You'll also visit labs and conferences to keep up to date on the tech. The rest of the job is just endless meetings, paperwork and reading. +--- 15359980 +>>15352440 +I don't really buy this. Looking at the job market it seems like a physics BS is one of the most versatile ways to go. I only ever hear about meches and eleces complaining about shit wages and oversaturation. +--- 15360003 +>>15359901 +Astro and particle have have always been super popular, particle is incredibly oversubscribed and still growing. Theory is also always weirdly popular and string/dark matter within that especially so. + +The new kids on the block are quantum computing and 2D materials. Quantum is huge because of massive investment right now but I'm convinced the bubble will pop before long. +Five/ten years ago I would have included graphene but that's a dying field and the people there have fled to other 2d materials. +--- 15360005 +>>15352440 +>If you want to be a physicist understand that you will have to go for a PhD +Not true. If you got a bachelor you can work in finance for good money. +--- 15360225 +>>15359980 +>>15360005 +This seems like a US thing to me, never seen or heard this happening here in mainland Europe. +--- 15360249 +>>15360225 +Any quant graduate program really. Also see >>15356888. +--- 15360264 +>>15360249 +That's for a graduate program though, which would make sense. It's going directly into industry like >>15359980 that seems off to me +--- 15360391 +>>15356037 +that's because you live in india. +Engineers don't get hired in America. Every meche with a high paying job is either a boomer or a millennial with nepotism. There is no engineering industry in this country and what little work there is going to be taken over by outsourcing and diversity hires. +Grabbing a cs, physics or math bs is unironically a smarter move than an engineering bs. diff --git a/sci/15350017.txt b/sci/15350017.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..104eb18a723a035768461916f796327bf7bc0a61 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15350017.txt @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +----- +--- 15350017 +FAA Blows Out Candle On Historic Launch Of Giant SpaceX Starship +>Enthusiasm waned among fans of space flight and Elon Musk Thursday as the Federal Aviation Administration shot down plans by Musk's SpaceX for the maiden flight of its giant two-stage rocket called Starship +>On Twitter, Musk indicated the space vehicle might launch this week. However, it ended up being the fourth time the FAA's Office of Commercial Space Transportation blew out the launch plan. +>The agency still has yet to complete an environmental review, which began in November 2020. It now plans to release the assessment on May 31. +https://www.investors.com/news/technology/spacex-faa-blows-out-candle-on-company-starship/ +--- 15350057 +>>15350017 (OP) +ADMIT IT RIGHT NOW, IT'S FUCKING OVER! +--- 15350081 +Mind you, the FAA will release the assessment on May 31, which means that the flight approval will take even longer. +--- 15350086 +The environmental review isn't ready yet and Musk spamming voice announcements without approval then actually cancelling them is cringe. +--- 15350091 +>>15350017 (OP) +The USA does not have a monopoly on launch pads and there are lots of civs interested in stealing a great person. +--- 15350112 +>>15350017 (OP) +Is it really smart to fire rockets and shit at the sky in pre-ww3 environment? Also, should have let UA keep their starlinks. +--- 15350117 +Called it. What joke. When will burgers do the needful and balkanise? +--- 15350169 +>>15350017 (OP) +>May 31 +>"Our report concludes that it is not possible to launch from Boca Chica under any circumstances without adverse noise pollution affecting the nearby settlement +What then, Muskbros? +--- 15350201 +>>15350017 (OP) +Nice link, retard +--- 15350205 +>>15350017 (OP) +>>15350201 +Yeah the environmental assessment has already been published. Looks like an AI written article that fucked up +https://www.faa.gov/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship +--- 15350226 +>>15350201 + +They have taken the article out, it was referenced in other sites +https://flipboard.com/topic/aviation/faa-blows-out-candle-on-historic-launch-of-giant-spacex-starship/a-mbfdqRQ6SgSDbM5x-i90WA%3Aa%3A2631113178-bddb8f503c%2Finvestors.com + +https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/faa-blows-out-candle-on-historic-launch-of-giant-spacex-starship-12352341 + + +I wonder why that is +--- 15350230 +>OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN +--- 15350241 +>>15350226 +Yes because it was fucking bullshit. The EA has been done for a year, it's available on the FAA site. +--- 15350472 +>>15350230 +--- 15350596 +>>15350472 +Kek, they're speeding towards Boca Chica as we speak +--- 15350616 +>>15350017 (OP) +>>The agency still has yet to complete an environmental review, +I hate these faggots so much. "environmental review" exists to sabotage progress. +--- 15350689 +>>15350616 +>>15350017 (OP) + +Article was bullshit, already removed +--- 15352390 +>>15350689 +oops +--- 15355205 +>>15350017 (OP) +--- 15355227 +>>15350017 (OP) +>there won't be any more human progress until we can completely control humans +https://www.bitchute.com/video/aXekJRez6DoT/ +--- 15355428 +>>15350017 (OP) +Musk messed with Biden, now Biden strikes back. +--- 15355745 +>>15350017 (OP) +We...uh.. Nuke the FAA headquarters and hunt down all of the agents, yes even Betty from accounting, especially her +--- 15356519 +>>15350017 (OP) +It’s going to explode and not make it to orbit. +--- 15356633 +>>15355428 +Biden can’t afford to lose the youth voters. +--- 15356662 +>>15356633 +they don't care, they'll just use dominion's software base solution like they did in 2020 +--- 15356684 +>>15355428 +>Musk messed with Biden, now Biden strikes back. +Sounds like "The Empire Strikes Back". +Fake President Biden is too much of a jester to be Darth Vader though. +--- 15356737 +I cannot believe retards could fall for the simplest of baits like this that have demonstrably false statements +--- 15356795 +>>15350017 (OP) +--- 15358505 +>>15356737 +how many boosters are you on? +--- 15358560 +>>15350117 +soon +--- 15358597 +>>15350017 (OP) +https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136 [Embed] +https://youtu.be/52dVfhgt_T4?t=694 [Embed] diff --git a/sci/15350103.txt b/sci/15350103.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..dfda4bb173ad962a9a87306a439631a1aebd5ead --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15350103.txt @@ -0,0 +1,151 @@ +----- +--- 15350103 +Be as brutally honest as possible + +Is a 130 iq enough to be a good mathematician? +--- 15350107 +>>15350103 (OP) +No, janitor tops. +--- 15350217 +Why do people act like math is this difficult skill. Just express everything as tautologies to make progress with a proof. Stick to the methods and you can't prove something false. Literally it's as easy as practicing first with rudin, then jumping into some field of research writing out half finished proofs as your means of learning the material. Take notes in a latex editor like texstudio and then clean it up. Boom. You're a contributing mathematician. A 90 IQ monkey could do math. The only real filter is people feel to embarrassed to +actually decipher the symbols. Just put in the work +--- 15350253 +>>15350103 (OP) +>As brutally honest as possible +If you let anything stop you from trying, you won't have the determination and will to succeed. +There are plenty of very talented people with high IQ that seem incredibly talented... Untill they hit a roadblock. +The issue with being very talented is that life can be on easy mode for longer than is healthy. +You just cruise along untill you hit a road bump, but because it's so unprecedented it's like a wall with all of the weight of high expectations and no experience with hardship. + +If you're pretty good with mathematics, do you have something else that you find hard and bad at but still continue putting your time into it and get better little by little? +Because no matter how smart you are you will hit a wall sooner or later. +You might surpas every other human but it will come and then it will be even worse because there's no one to ask for advice. + +Something like that. +High IQ might be (I'm not really into this, IQ is most useful on population level, not individual. Too many additional variables) needed, but does not guarantee success. +You can start with average stats but grind untill people start to assume you were a genius since childhood. +The power of will and discipline is more important than raw intelligence. + +At least that's how I see the issue. +--- 15350263 +High iq without imagination and the capability to think is like soup without the veggies, it's just won't be useful +--- 15350301 +>>15350103 (OP) +>>15350107 + +>Want to be smart +>Learn that the body only uses 10% of brain. +>Buy hammer and pikes from Home Depot. +>Hammer you own head until only 10% of brain is left. +>Give yourself a month and see your new IQ! +--- 15350786 +>>15350103 (OP) +You could have a 180 IQ and if you're not motivated or don't really have an actual interest in it then you'll most likely struggle more overall than someone with a 110 IQ that spends a lot of their spare time reading about it because they enjoy it +--- 15350825 +>>15350103 (OP) +It's more about personality + +One of my physics professors is in top 30 smartest people on the planet. 183 IQ. But he's not much. Just another professor constantly complaining about low income. + +On the otger hand you have someone like Richard Feynman. His IQ is about 125. Midwit teritorry, yet he was so interested in how everything worked that it wasn't a problem. +--- 15350843 +>>15350103 (OP) +You're basically on the edge. Yes, 130 is enough to be a good mathematician, but you won't be the new Pascal or something. + +Also, looking at the replies here, this thread looks more like a fucking Reddit thread lmao. Yessss kanggg you can do itttttt,,,,, itz not the intelligence jtzz the will!!!!! + +My ass. You can work hard but if you're dumb you just won't get far. Let me get this straight: Calculus and Algebra are some of the EASIER parts of maths, especially when we talk only about differentiating and integrating. Real maths is much purer and requires tonnes of creativity. You won't get far without that. +--- 15350869 +>>15350103 (OP) +>130 iq +>good mathematician +yeah for sure if you work at it 24/7 duh but will you be a professor etc.? No you have no job opportunities in that front +--- 15350919 +>>15350843 +>Calculus and Algebra are some of the EASIER parts of maths +Honestly, this. People only think they're hard because that's what (((they))) told them to think. +--- 15350932 +>>15350843 +Are you implying that both Reddit and 4chan /sci/ don't actually provide genuine information but instead fall into one of the two camps? The first say "you can do it champ" and the second day "it's over" sadpepe.jpg? +--- 15351189 +>>15350932 +Both offer information. You need a good informational filter to get out the information that you reason to be true and dump that which is clearly just someone's attempt at trolling. With that being said, Reddifags care more about preserving their karma virginity than offering any kind of *realistic* advice +--- 15351483 +>>15350825 +Your prof. Is not 183 iq lol, iq tests dont even measure that high +--- 15354753 +>>15350103 (OP) +Yeah - granted you’re prolly not going to invent any new formulae or anything but you would probably make an above average college professor. +--- 15354771 +>>15350103 (OP) +>Be as brutally honest as possible +>Is a 130 iq enough to be a good mathematician? +No, not if you're hoping to discover something truly revolutionary in math. +You'll be able to use math at all levels. You'll be able to teach it. You won't be able to invent it (probably) without either luck or a herculean amount of work. +A few brilliant minds have invented the modern world and the rest of us are just kind of along for the ride. We're not useless, but we're not the ones shaping scientific history. +--- 15354801 +>>15350103 (OP) +Probably not no + +You could be really good at applied math, but real mathematicians do theoretical research which, at this point, is at an extremely high level and, absent serendipity, probably beyond your ability to grasp + +You could certainly do fine as a math teacher though; even a professor at a community college or lower tier university should be well within your ability to achieve. But all these jobs are mostly about teaching, being a mathematician implies doing actual relevant mathematics for which the bar is just insanely high today. +--- 15354802 +Good and bad are by products of meaningless social constructs who have the absolute authority to define it? + +Math is about proof, not truth. +Want to be a mathematician? +Easy, generate 2 random numbers 24 digits long and them make the sum. +Congrats you proved a theorem that probably nobody else proved before. +--- 15354978 +Yes. +--- 15355031 +>>15350103 (OP) +If you come from a "diverse" background, you'll be overqualified. If not, I'd say you are right around the cutoff point. It will be a bit of a struggle to get through the graduate material and develop a solid mathematical foundation, but after that you should be good. + +Contrary to popular belief, academic research can be the easiest part of the process if you play your cards right. There are quite literally an infinite number of unsolved problems of all difficulty levels. There will never be a shortage of moderately interesting low hanging fruit to publish. +--- 15355370 +>>15350103 (OP) +High enough to enjoy the beauty of maths like calculating a water basin with calculus methods. +--- 15355462 +>>15350843 +>You're basically on the edge. Yes, 130 is enough to be a good mathematician, but you won't be the new Pascal or something. +>Also, looking at the replies here, this thread looks more like a fucking Reddit thread lmao. Yessss kanggg you can do itttttt,,,,, itz not the intelligence jtzz the will!!!!! +There's obviously correlation but there's more to it. +>>15355031 +>Contrary to popular belief, academic research can be the easiest part of the process if you play your cards right. There are quite literally an infinite number of unsolved problems of all difficulty levels. There will never be a shortage of moderately interesting low hanging fruit to publish. +This. +--- 15355513 +>>15350253 +correct +--- 15356191 +>>15350103 (OP) +Isn't 130 the average mathematician IQ +--- 15356234 +>>15354801 +What would you say is the minimum IQ? +--- 15356240 +>>15356234 +And also to be a good physicist? +--- 15356340 +>>15350103 (OP) +IQ is your processor or so to speak. +You will take longer than higher IQ people to figure some stuff out, it will be harder. But your processing power is not so low that it will crash the program if you get what I mean. It's more than enough to tackle any topic as long as you have imagination and creativity (impossible to measure alas). +As I said, you will take more time to load the program, but if you have what it takes to use it correctly you can still outdo people with higher IQs than yours. +--- 15356396 +>>15350103 (OP) +No +--- 15356398 +No because the thing is you have to be more intelligent than that +--- 15358714 +>>15356396 +>>15356398 +feynmann had an iq of 126 +--- 15358758 +>Calculus and Algebra are some of the EASIER parts of maths +Lol, something about the way you said that makes it seem like you just discovered that real math isn't plug and chug. Are you a sophomore or something? +>Real maths is much purer and requires tonnes of creativity +Which is exactly why it isn't as IQ-loaded as something like physics, hence why math students tend to have (slightly) lower average IQs than physics students. +--- 15358774 +The Time Travel Interpretation of the Bible +>https://vixra.org/abs/2304.0073 diff --git a/sci/15350165.txt b/sci/15350165.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..557cfcd6a3c5507a8ce4f262910e9cc6ea8f2512 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15350165.txt @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +----- +--- 15350165 +owie zowie +--- 15350404 +>>15350165 (OP) +pchooo +--- 15352335 +>>15350165 (OP) +electric balls +--- 15355230 +he'll be alright after a kiss on the booboo +--- 15357843 +What happened here? +--- 15358968 +>>15357843 +electric balls +--- 15359064 +>>15358968 +LIGHTNINGGG!!!! diff --git a/sci/15350339.txt b/sci/15350339.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5d2e9919bae99f82fc9b30e9cdeb68973e4ba131 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15350339.txt @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +----- +--- 15350339 +Post your coolest SCIENCE FUN FACTS +--- 15350405 +Brainwave entrainment, also referred to as brainwave synchronization or neural entrainment, refers to the observation that brainwaves (large-scale electrical oscillations in the brain) will naturally synchronize to the rhythm of periodic external stimuli, such as flickering lights,[1] speech,[2] music,[3] or tactile stimuli. + +As different conscious states can be associated with different dominant brainwave frequencies,[4] it is hypothesized that brainwave entrainment might induce a desired state. Researchers have found, for instance, that acoustic entrainment of delta waves in slow wave sleep had the functional effect of improving memory in healthy subjects.[5] +--- 15350408 +>>15350371 +>then you +Everyone apparently has a larger brain than you. +--- 15350419 +>>15350405 +Neural oscillations are rhythmic or repetitive electrochemical activity in the brain and central nervous system.[6] Such oscillations can be characterized by their frequency, amplitude and phase. Neural tissue can generate oscillatory activity driven by mechanisms within individual neurons, as well as by interactions between them. They may also adjust frequency to synchronize with the periodic vibration of external acoustic or visual stimuli.[7][8] + +The activity of neurons generate electric currents; and the synchronous action of neural ensembles in the cerebral cortex, comprising large numbers of neurons, produce macroscopic oscillations. These phenomena can be monitored and graphically documented by an electroencephalogram (EEG). The electroencephalographic representations of those oscillations are typically denoted by the term 'brainwaves' in common parlance.[9][10] + +The technique of recording neural electrical activity within the brain from electrochemical readings taken from the scalp originated with the experiments of Richard Caton in 1875, whose findings were developed into electroencephalography (EEG) by Hans Berger in the late 1920s. +--- 15350548 +>>15350413 +you seem to know a lot about trannys +--- 15350556 +The universe could end at any moment due to false vacuum decay +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum_decay +--- 15350564 +>>15350556 +yeah and you could stop being a faggot at any moment, yet you never stop +--- 15350587 +>>15350339 (OP) +Air is surprisingly heavy + +You have a weight of more than a ton crushing down on you every moment of your life yet you stand strong! +--- 15350603 +>>15350564 +not a science fun fact +--- 15350606 +>>15350339 (OP) +LSD was synthesized over two decades before the psilocybin in Magic Mushrooms was "discovered" by science. +--- 15350707 +>>15350587 +Do you mean that if I was in a vacuum I would feel much lighter? +--- 15350714 +>>15350405 +>>15350419 +any way to use this practically? anything to seek out/avoid? +--- 15350800 +>>15350339 (OP) +--- 15350803 +>>15350739 +No, psilocybin was first isolated by Albert Hofmann in 1958, wasson only did the antropology legwork, discovered the existence of the ritual, and found the mushrooms, but had no idea why they were psychoactive until he brought them back to be studied by scientists like Hoffman who first published his finding in Helvetica Chemica Acta to be scrutinized by his peers. +--- 15352070 +>>15350413 +nta but yes i am +--- 15352719 +>>15350339 (OP) +--- 15355215 +SU professor Eric Stewart abruptly left his $190,000-a-year role after being accused of faking data to make racism more common than it actually is. + +https://humanevents.com/2023/04/12/black-fsu-professor-resigns-in-disgrace-amid-allegations-he-faked-data-on-commonality-of-racism-had-6-papers-retracted +--- 15355224 +>>15355215 +>"academia" lying +nah they would never +trust the science! +--- 15355310 +>>15350419 +Neat + +I bet it has something to do with the procedure by which the brain models external reality and produces its simulation. +--- 15357415 +>>15350339 (OP) +Sharks have a really acute sense of smell and used to be abundant in basically every ocean on the planet. You used to be able to spill some blood or chum in any ocean anywhere and you'd have sharks showing up within minutes +--- 15357430 +Cows can perceive planet earth magnetic field +--- 15357433 +>>15350587 +>surprisingly +well, not that surprising +--- 15357450 +The Lord will be king over the whole Earth. diff --git a/sci/15350429.txt b/sci/15350429.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1af8073ea1f62a53205bee05933f28f058905d3a --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15350429.txt @@ -0,0 +1,203 @@ +----- +--- 15350429 +How would you change the way math and science are taught, if given the chance? +--- 15350443 +it's taught fine. students just lack motivation. +--- 15350453 +>>15350429 (OP) +Government mass schooling is a failed system. It is also unnecessary, most people have no interest in teaching, and most students have no interest in math/science. It's a self perpetuating system, most people become teachers for a job and $, most students study math/science because they must follow this system that has been created. +The best method of teaching and learning is the mastery method, but again this can't be implemented as some sort of socialist system, it can only be pursued by self interested intelligent individuals. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastery_learning +--- 15350454 +>>15350443 +replace 'motivation' with 'IQ' +--- 15350455 +>>15350453 +Government can at best produce literates (currently failing to do even that in US) +--- 15350456 +>>15350429 (OP) +Gamify it. All these little shits are already addicted to gambling from twitch. Turn math class into a casino tutor the ones falling behind, and create challenges for the ones surging ahead. Give out prizes in form of shit kids wants like fornite bux or giftcards. +--- 15350459 +>>15350456 +This rewards system causes a spike in output initially but then plateaus rapidly. +--- 15350468 +>>15350459 +Okay, adjust reward to ssri and hrt. You want to transition by 8th grade Timmy? Better crack them fractions books. Oh, what's that you're depressed? Look, these quadratic equations are here to help you. +--- 15350470 +if you're on any medication for any mental disorder, you're illegible to take any science or math class. +--- 15350668 +>>15350429 (OP) +Yep I would make exams like this: +3 sections +section 1 is easy questions with multiple choice that you should be able to figure out even if you missed some of the class +section 2 is a single difficult problem like a tough integral with write-in solution +section 3 is a handful of questions that require real cleverness and creative thinking + +section 1 is worth 50% marks +section 2 is worth 50% marks +section 3 gets you fast tracked to more advanced classes if you show aptitude +--- 15350677 +>>15350429 (OP) +I would not have science and math be taught. Let children have fun. When we teach them since early age, we get incompetent chinks like Terence Tao. +--- 15350741 +bring back new math +--- 15350744 +>>15350429 (OP) +Hang this equation on every school wall in America + +[math]cm = 2.54 \times inch[/math] +--- 15350753 +>>15350454 +IQ is a test score, not an attribute +--- 15350756 +>>15350456 +Literally this. Imagine if you got to motorboat your teacher’s breasts every time you scored an A on your quizzes. +--- 15350788 +>>15350429 (OP) +prioritize comprehension more than memory capacity i guess. +i see no reason why people should waste their time memorizing a sequence of symbols, instead of knowing how to use them +all tests should take place with open material such as a sheet of formulas given to each student. +this way it will also be possible to build more complex problems for them that will require them to adjust the information +--- 15350876 +>>15350753 +a test that measures an attribute +--- 15351003 +>>15350429 (OP) +Math eugenics - everyone gets a maximum of two tries with each math class and if you fail twice you get put down. + +Math literacy and overpopulation solved in one step. +--- 15351010 +>>15350429 (OP) +Segregate people. Those that are bad or unwilling force the teacher to slow down the program and make it retard friendly. +Grades are pointless if the A students are together with D students. +You make multiple levels of schools. If student is performing well, he gets to a higher level where he learns and competes with similar students, if student is shit, he gets downgraded. +Make like 5 levels of schools, and each school will have different learning program. +--- 15351030 +I would use the exact textbooks and curriculum that I used in my own education without changing a single thing. +--- 15351057 +>>15351010 +>If student is performing well, he gets to a higher level where he learns and competes with similar students, if student is shit, he gets downgraded. +don't you see any aggregation? +--- 15351173 +Apply genetic engineering, everything else will naturally follow suit. +--- 15351285 +>>15350456 +100%, videogame companies hire psychology teams to put all those hooks on the vidya, surely it can be done to math too, right +--- 15351336 +>abolish compulsory education +>institute compulsory testing instead +>you can learn however you want, the state only requires you to pass a battery of tests to attain certification in a given level of education +Smart kids can study however they like and progress at an accelerated pace, retards can still go to school to be wrangled if they like. +--- 15351361 +>>15350876 +Yes, but you wouldn’t say someone “lacks IQ”. That’d be like saying a football player “lacks 40-yard dash”. I understood what the post was saying but it didn’t make any sense syntactically. +--- 15351372 +More applied stats, it's the only kind of math that I find myself using all over the place. It can help you think of the world in a different, more realistic and useful way. +--- 15351386 +>>15351372 +Fuck off, /pol/fag. +--- 15351584 +>>15350429 (OP) +Don't introduce infinite decimals until students know the formal definition of a limit. +They make you round the answers anyway in high school, so you never need more than 2~5 digits anyway. At most 10 digits if I'm being generous. + +When teaching long division, if you encounter 1/3, just show that the process would never end. +Don't say that 1/3 is equal to 0 followed by infinitely many 3s. Just conclude that you can't possibly write 1/3 in decimal notation using only finitely many digits. + +Actually, never introduce infinite decimals. I've never ever needed them. +If the infinite decimal is periodic, then just use a fraction. +If the infinite decimal is not periodic, then it's probably a special number like π, sqrt(something), sin(something). Just use that special number's name. +--- 15351683 +just let the computers take over, they're already perfect - +--- 15353439 +Easy. Just legalise amphetamines. Only letting people with eydieitchdee take it with extra time for exams and other accomodations is stupid. You have to psychologically accept that you are broken to get a performance enhancer. Anyway. Just let people chemically nurture obsession at their own discretion without declaring themselves defective or risking jail or dealing with dodgy characters and you will greatly enhance the pursuit of science. +--- 15353452 +>>15351683 +This +--- 15353475 +First of all - no female teachers and get rid of common education +--- 15353508 +>>15350468 +based beyond belief +--- 15353651 +>>15350429 (OP) +Start firing incompetent professors. The difference in results when the students are taught well and badly is night and day. +But alas, public workers are untouchables where I live. +--- 15353810 +>>15350756 +my teacher was 70years old... +--- 15353813 +>>15353810 +Raisins are sweeter the older they are.... +--- 15353869 +Adding a little bit of gamification would not hurt, but what is needed the most is showing proper application of the material that is being thought imo. I was actively avoiding math because it was fucking boring getting bombarded with weird letters and rule tables, even in college. But the moment I needed to apply that in other courses like physics (derive integrals from stated problems, turn stated problems in to math problems, etc) it all clicked and was fairly fun. If i had those kinds of problems while learning math in HS might have been more fun. +Basically teach kids physics instead of math lmao +--- 15354050 +>>15350429 (OP) +More visuals +Advanced mathematics and physics is full of visual material yet 99% of the time this is completely ignored (including in grad textbooks too btw) +I remember back in reading a geometric group theory textbook with not a single picture can you believe that +--- 15354068 +>>15351057 +What do you mean? In Germany there were 3 levels of schools starting from middle school and it worked fine until the system got changed and abolished and now the education level dropped to shit. +I would however add more classes of school. Probably 5 or more. The top 1 would be for actual geniuses with no limits and special education with uni cooperation. +Second class would be for smart children with ability to go to uni +Third class would be gaussian average, without ability to go to uni but having most options open +Fourth class is reeducation class. Those are considered failures that can still be redeemed and climb up. The goal is to support those that can still hope. +Fifth class is the irredeemable failure class. Teaching them math and shit is completely pointless so the education will be focused on them becoming good goyim. Lessons will be very simple and retard proof just to convey some simple points. +--- 15354648 +>>15350744 +wew lad +--- 15354890 +>>15353651 +Bad instructors are a problem, lord knows there are some shit ones who phone it in or check the fuck out, and even some real scumbags who get off on giving students bad grades. But it's naive to dump this all on the instructors. At a certain point it doesn't matter how effective an instructor is if the class has students who actively refuse to study, practice, or listen to feedback, or students who are in classes they absolutely shouldn't be in. +--- 15355552 +>>15350429 (OP) +YouTube Videos. +--- 15355696 +>>15350429 (OP) +-Abolish the department of education (educational outcomes have not improved in a single category since its inception, while spending has gone up tremendously) +-School choice and vouchers, so shitty teachers and schools lose students +-The only countries that succeed in math and science education are in Asia, so more of what they do. More memorization, rote practice, independent study, and rigorous testing. +-For everything else, just follow 3blue1brown. +--- 15355703 +>>15350459 +Never seems to fail for social media, video games, or actual casinos +--- 15355742 +>>15350429 (OP) +I need a good visual reference and a breakdown of what's happening with the numbers. The best way that I can describe it would be telling a story as you're breaking a problem down. I don't mean a story in the context of a fable or anything like that, I mean verbally describing the terms and what's going on in the problem as you break it down in a cohesive way. +--- 15355753 +>>15351010 +This. I remember being bored to death in high school doing un-needed repetitions for a week when I was ready to move on in an hour. +It's amazing how the pace picked up in college where we could go at twice the speed and only be in class half of the time. +--- 15355757 +>>15355742 +My physics proferrors started explaining entropy by saying how his child's room tends to disorder, every day, it either stays the same or is worse off. +But the more disorder there is, the less it's noticeable when just one more sock is added to the mix, and that's how he explained why temperature is dividing the energy change: the higher the current temperature, the lower the change in disorder when there is a change in energy will be noticeable as the system is already a mess. +Pretty cool guy. +--- 15357829 +>>15350429 (OP) +id give the answers first then say show how to get there +--- 15358355 +>>15350443 +Survivorship bias is a bitch +--- 15358424 +>>15355703 +Because media, video games and casinos are fun throughout the whole part and much less demanding then actual work. +--- 15358698 +>>15351361 +It's a synecdoche, you pedant. +--- 15358791 +>>15353869 +Those are called "word problems", anon +>>15354050 +Or better yet, animations. Let's hope in a few decades people will be saying "I remember back in reading a differential equations book with not a single interactive animation can you believe that" +https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2014-02-18 +--- 15358804 +>>15355757 +Mine did something similar for us with a deck of cards - starting off with a black deck and a red deck and showing that as you riffled them together, each riffle progressively mixed the reds and blacks up more and more and that the probability of a riffle "unmixing" them got progressively less and less likely the more they mixed. +--- 15359411 +>>15358804 +We got a visual version of that within notes that the professor explained separately. For some reason it was really helpful in explaining probability. +--- 15359613 +Reintroduce class rankings for exams. Healthy competition drastically increases motivation. diff --git a/sci/15350474.txt b/sci/15350474.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..982b212ef4a6cb42127a3b69822a7cf6536d551f --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15350474.txt @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +----- +--- 15350474 +This should explain the science behind why some science youtubers are so popular regardless lack of talent and IQ +--- 15350479 +no idea what that shit website is. but i'm not reading that tiktweet or whatever faggy shit it is. kys. +--- 15350583 +It's shocking to me how this is somehow a revelation worth sharing in 2023. +--- 15350597 +>>15350474 (OP) +>heating +/pw/ taking over the real world again +--- 15350684 +>>15350474 (OP) +>>15350480 +wait until they find out how they shape recommendation engine depending on the temperature of the news day. heating or cooling as needed. building pavlovian associations between content creators and mood. +wait until they find out how they identify and manage friend networks to seed decentralized dissemination of information. +--- 15350723 +>>15350684 +5EYES AND SV EXECS...a short story +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnZpYoBuiGw [Embed] +--- 15350737 +>>15350474 (OP) +If this is news to you in 2023 it is because you are a shut in autist and should never be allowed to discuss anything on this board +--- 15351106 +>>15350583 +I think the point is to use the word 'heating' to draw attention to what was formerly called 'boosting'. Just because some form of injustice is old doesn't mean that it shouldn't be countered. Also there aren't that many people in this thread and there are always people who haven't heard or properly understood a message, which is why mainstream media repeats their message over and over again on a loop. +--- 15351487 +theres keyword activated bot posts on this board. +say the magic phrase and win free (you)s +--- 15351696 +>>15350474 (OP) +Mark Dice is extremely pretentious and would call you a retard for not knowing what type of paper money you're holding based on its texture and where the ink is. + +>>15351106 +Instead of calling it "heating" or "boosting", why don't we just say "promoted artificially by youtube" so everyone immediately knows what we mean? +--- 15351816 +>>15351487 +>where are the dead internet theory? +--- 15352463 +>>15350474 (OP) +Don't underestimate some people. Mr. Beast knows how to play the algorithm and always has. +--- 15352476 +I remember seeing Mark Dice on Youtube years ago. The guy is a million years behind in evolution. Quoting him to "explain the science" of other youtubers lack of talent and IQ is a joke. +--- 15352508 +>>15350474 (OP) +Lex is part of the Rogan sphere and Mr.Beast hacked the matrix. This guy sounds like a retard. +--- 15353713 +I've never watched a single MrBeast video and YouTube will recommend me his videos nonstop. It's so obvious. Who do they think they're fooling? +--- 15353722 +>>15351106 +Boosting is a lot more intuitive than talking about central heating +--- 15353746 +the same coincidental phenomenon could explain the success of undertale too and probably happens very widely/often considering fame altogether +--- 15354087 +>>15351696 +Most currencies do have banknotes that are recognizable by touch on purpose, so that blind people can use them. It's a bit weird to learn that when you are sighted, but it's nothing extraordinary. +--- 15354567 +>>15353713 +youtube is owned and operated by tribal members who consider you a lower form of life +--- 15354875 +>>15350479 +>felt the need to post this + +Anon, please get off this website and hang yourself. +--- 15354950 +>>15350583 +yea, but he tried to create his own slang word for it, to manipulate his little in-group of his twitter or whatever that he pays an extra fee to boost reach for. +--- 15356449 +>>15354950 +"boost" took on a different meaning in the vax death era +--- 15356562 +>>15350474 (OP) +No. We are grassroots and recognize the other as astroturfing. There is no other term. +--- 15357261 +>>15350474 (OP) +it all started in 2018 when alex jones was banned from all platforms +--- 15358704 +>i'm goooonnaaa boooooooooooosssstttt!!! +--- 15358713 +>>15357261 +nah, it started in 2016 during the great meme war +--- 15359808 +If they do this without notifying creators, then they should be sued for lost income. Around the time Nasim happened this was a problem. +--- 15359824 +>>15359808 +>they should be sued for lost income. +good luck, the courts are corrupt and youtube is a government propaganda asset. they're not going to allow a court case to tarnish youtube's reputation. diff --git a/sci/15350489.txt b/sci/15350489.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9efd673b94888a7f9b00eab0f82e526df56bfab5 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15350489.txt @@ -0,0 +1,133 @@ +----- +--- 15350489 +We got scammed +--- 15350505 +>>15350489 (OP) +Isn't this the guy who said that Falcon 9 was a scam? +--- 15350552 +>>15350489 (OP) +He spent about 30 seconds debunking the test. The rest is Discovery Channel tier random physics knowledge. + +"About 30 milligrams produces this much energy, as much as this much of the sun! woww" +--- 15350584 +>he actually went the full video without mentioning elon musk even once +I'm impressed bros +--- 15350875 +>>15350584 +Don't worry, he'll make up for it my making next video exclusively about Elon +--- 15350922 +>>15350489 (OP) +Do these things even produce fusion, or just neutrons? + +The only instance of net energy ever being produced from these reactions is in classified weapons where no data is available, but lots of fission still occurs. + +Does fusion actually power the sun? Literally anything under high pressure will glow and produce light. + +Seems like fusion is more of a theoretical hallucination than a practical reality. +--- 15350981 +>>15350489 (OP) +Why are chemists out of all scientist the most insufferable deboonker "I fooking love science" midwits? Professor Dave and Myles Power too. These people are insufferable. +--- 15351364 +>>15350981 +Thunderf00t is not a pseud like the rest. He actually has a PhD and works at a nuclear facilities, his vids are for the most part correct. +--- 15351454 +>>15350489 (OP) +I fucking love science +--- 15351700 +>>15351364 +>his vids are for the most part correct. +Only when he doesn't step out of his area of expertise or when debooonking crowd funding products +--- 15351727 +>>15351700 +Nah, most of the products he deboonks are very apparent scams that any person could recognize if they think a bit. He actually does some cool vids that aren't just chasing low-hanging fruit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lANjwPzISQw [Embed] +--- 15351967 +>>15350922 +yes, because the production of helium (alpha particles) poisons the reaction and makes it very difficult to achieve self-heating. the whole goal of ITER is to prove that if you make a vacuum chamber large enough then you can overcome this poisoning, but still not get anywhere close to net energy out. +--- 15355209 +>thunderfoot +--- 15357350 +>>15351364 +> people with phds can't be psueds +wew lad +--- 15357475 +>>15350489 (OP) +Will he kill himself come monday? +--- 15357517 +>>15350505 +and that we can fix global warming by bellowing clouds of sodium carbonate particulates into the atmosphere (original idea donut steel) +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s0w0RKny64 [Embed] +--- 15357521 +>>15351364 +>He actually has a PhD +Just the one? +--- 15357534 +>>15351364 +>works at a nuclear facilities +no, he works here +https://www.uochb.cz/en/directory/103/phil-mason +--- 15357538 +>>15351364 +I have a PhD and I am most definitely a pseud. +--- 15357550 +>>15357534 +>Chemist +LOL. No wonder. I often rail against Chemists when they venture in my domain; Biology. Too many Geneticists/Molecular Biologists have convinced themselves as being Biologists when in reality theyre just Chemists in disguise. +--- 15357555 +>>15357550 +>Mason developed experimental methods and results that indicate the first reaction of alkali metals and water was coulombic (that is, electrical charge forces) in nature which shatters and drives the metal in an extremely pure state into the water, causing both further coulombic and water dissociation. This result, developed in 2015, was completely new to chemistry. + +That is noted though. + +>Novel Architectures in Polymer Chemistry (1997) +If anyone has a link, I'd be greatful. I want to read it over and see if I can find anything to @ him on twitter with lol. Long shot....but...would be funny. +--- 15357590 +Golf rumors. +--- 15357621 +>>15357590 +--- 15357683 +>>15350489 (OP) +Does /sci/ agree this guy is just being really unreasonable with Elon? How will he react after Starship succeeds? I assume he said similar things with Falcon 9 and we everyone universally agrees that it's blown everything out of the water. +--- 15357696 +>>15357683 +Guess. +--- 15357749 +>>15357696 +>anti-feminists are "crab people" +So true, I love /sci/ schizos now +--- 15357757 +>>15357749 +People who deny that men and women were created equal under God should be flayed alive. +--- 15357760 +>>15357757 +kys schizo +--- 15357785 +>>15357757 +Charlatan! +--- 15359498 +>>15350922 +>Does fusion actually power the sun? +Of course not. And (((they))) know it. +--- 15359528 +>>15350922 +>Does fusion actually power the sun? +This sounds more like a backwardsly asked question than anything. Its not an engine. +--- 15359954 +i've just seen a webm of a man saying that nobody knows how the sun works +how does the sun work? +--- 15360182 +>>>/sci now hates /our guy/ +What happened +--- 15360239 +>>15360182 +Angels fall...thats what happened. +--- 15360456 +>>15359954 +Big hot ball of plasma that through gravity is forced to undergo splitting and reassembly of nuclei which causes a massive amount of energy pileup which eventually spills over into magneto and photon energy, now the ether more specifically was a term coined by Tesla sometimes in the earl... +--- 15360529 +>>15350922 +>Does fusion actually power the sun? Literally anything under high pressure will glow and produce light. +reminded me of this footnote from griffiths e&m +--- 15360537 +>>15350489 (OP) +Ah fuck +It's over bros diff --git a/sci/15350539.txt b/sci/15350539.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..58ce372197bbcd781dd8ff7ce41d56fc78c2467f --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15350539.txt @@ -0,0 +1,141 @@ +----- +--- 15350539 +we know that human balls can produce up to 150 million sperm per 24 hours. + +we also know that they can ejaculate (in full force) roughly 5ml of of semen with each ml of it containing 100mil of sperm. +hence the human male can ejaculate roughly up to 500million sperm (if it's a good load on good porn). + +therefore we conclude that the best wank is after waiting for roughly 3.333... days or exactly 80 hours. +--- 15350544 +>>15350539 (OP) +>let's do true science +Doubt. +--- 15350547 +>>15350539 (OP) +The purpose of masturbation is to suppress desire for reproductive sex, it's basically a steriliser, can be useful in some situations that require self control and celibacy but over all harmful specially if result of artificial influence such as porn addiction. +--- 15350554 +>>15350547 +you will literally masturbate in your sleep anyway. it's unhealthy for the balls to hold all that sperm forever. + +why not take advantage of it with a glorious wank every 80 hours? +--- 15350574 +>>15350539 (OP) +Sperm uses collagen, our body needs collagen +--- 15350586 +>>15350574 +eat some chicken wings then. +--- 15350592 +>>15350539 (OP) +Eyaculation is more like vomiting, where it can happen, but it doesn't have to. +--- 15350908 +>>15350592 +it always happens, if you don't fuck or wank for days, in your sleep. +--- 15351565 +>>15350574 +What other things does excessive ejaculation deplete? +--- 15351610 +>>15351565 +Bio-available zinc is a huge one. + +>>15350554 + +Nocturnal emissions and manually induced orgasm have different physiological effects. +--- 15351691 +>>15350539 (OP) +>let's do true science +sure +>we know that human balls can produce up to 150 million sperm per 24 hours +not really important to note the numbers, what's more interesting are relations +>we also know that they can ejaculate (in full force) roughly 5ml of of semen with each ml of it containing 100mil of sperm. +hence the human male can ejaculate roughly up to 500million sperm (if it's a good load on good porn) +true enough +>therefore we conclude that the best wank is after waiting for roughly 3.333... days or exactly 80 hours +horribly wrong misconclusion +that's the rate at which you can ejaculate sperm, by the assumptions of this calculation, without having any sperm left over to be reabsorbed +in other words, it's not "the best wank" at all, but optimum wasteage +in reality, what's interesting to note is how long it takes sperm cells to reach full maturity, which is ~70 days, and how long it takes for sperm cells to die and be broken down and reabsorbed if not ejaculated, which is ~3 weeks, i.e. ~21 days +so this full process would take ~3 months from start to finish +instead you break into this process and waste this highly refined substance by spilling it for zero good reason other than your ephemeral opiate high +imagine all that wasted potential +also, as you will note from the above, the body stores ~3 weeks worth of viable sperm at any given point in time, so you can easily waste all of this and have to wait 3 entire weeks before new sperm begin to be broken down and reabsorbed, nourishing your blood with this finest of substances +what you're doing is like going to the ends of the world to gather the most exquisite fragrances to combine them into the most marvelous perfume, and then you flush it down the toilet +I pity you +--- 15351699 +>>15350554 +>you will literally masturbate in your sleep anyway +total nonsense with zero basis in reality +this only happens to people who masturbate regularly already +if you go a long time retaining your semen you stop having nocturnal emissions completely +>it's unhealthy for the balls to hold all that sperm forever +total bullshit, there's zero scientific evidence to support this claim, and plenty in support of the fact that unused sperm gets broken down and reabsorbed, allowing you to reuse all those fine materials +stop pretending to be about science if you're just going to say bullshit +--- 15351703 +>>15350908 +>it always happens, if you don't fuck or wank for days, in your sleep +wrong +only to chronic masturbators +see: >>15351699 +--- 15351983 +>>15351691 +that's stupid. you admitted the amount of sperm ejaculated is high but you have some kind of "maturity" quality you think it's important. + +you never proved the "maturity" factor is related to enjoyment or any other result. +--- 15351990 +>>15351703 +>>15351699 +> you stop having nocturnal emissions completely +that means you damaged yourselves entirely you nazi fucks hahahahahaha + +PS your source on any of that: butt. +--- 15352003 +>>15351699 +>>15351703 +you're full of shit, if they stop the main factor is maturity, and it happens to married men who don't masturbate too (and only a brainlet would think otherwise (since masturbation is biologically simulation of sex)). +--- 15352213 +>>15352003 +"the mean frequency ranges from 0.36 times per week (about once every three weeks) for single 15-year-old males to 0.18 times per week (about once every five-and-a-half weeks) for 40-year-old single males. For married males, the mean ranges from 0.23 times per week (about once per month) for 19-year-old married males to 0.15 times per week (about once every two months) for 50-year-old married males.[7]" +So that's still less semen loss than every 80 hours +--- 15352215 +>>15352213 +**frequency of nocturnal emissions +--- 15355234 +>>15351699 +>if you go a long time retaining your semen you stop having nocturnal emissions completely +No you don't +t. stopped wanking +--- 15356587 +>>15350547 +How is it harmful to not fall for your dumb monkey brain telling you to mindlessly breed? +--- 15356620 +>>15350539 (OP) +This is ignoring the physiological effects of ejaculation, your testosterone levels increase up to 5 days to a week after ejaculation anf then gradually fall from there + +Its therefore optimal to nut every 10 to 14 days to maximize the overall average test level, as youve shown this allows enough time to replenish sperm stocks and some leftover to be reabsorbed like that weirdo wants who keeps going on about how nutritious it is +--- 15356652 +>>15351691 +Many functions of the body are use it or lose it. If you rarely ejaculate, your body will begin to shut down this part of your body. I don’t think that’s a good thing e.g. prostate cancer/swelling +--- 15356663 +>>15356620 +How did you take 3.33 and 5 and arrive at 10 to 14? +--- 15357258 +>>15356620 +don't forget though, that the nutting can be either optimal or not. +i.e. it depends on how good you porn and method is. +--- 15360506 +>>15356620 +>source: it came to me in a dream +--- 15360521 +>>15356652 +This.\ +NoFap is a WEF/Jew plot to further erode masculinity and fuck up men's gear by making them weaker, like monks. +--- 15360531 +>>15356620 +>Its therefore optimal to nut every 10 to 14 days to maximize the overall average test level, +>Knows not a single bodybuilder. +Every other day is close to optimal. At least 15 times a month minimum. +--- 15360557 +Scientifically speaking, you should ejaculate once every fourth day. This ejaculation should not be rushed. It must be primed and powerful. This is what the science is telling us. We must trust the science. +--- 15360569 +>>15360557 +>ejaculate once every fourth day. +Sounds too Chinese. diff --git a/sci/15350686.txt b/sci/15350686.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0be93f77b5bfb97a8ea98281721455f26899258b --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15350686.txt @@ -0,0 +1,160 @@ +----- +--- 15350686 +I am a non-smoker who began consuming nicotine gum recreationally after doing extensive research onto the effects of it. Nicotine is a stimulant that has been shown to have many benefits, including positive effects on fine motor abilities, attention, reaction time, and episodic and working memory[1]. It has been proven to exhibit anti-estrogenic effects[2]. In the short term, nicotine increases energy expenditure and could reduce appetite, which may explain why smokers tend to have lower body weight than do non-smokers[3]. From my own experience, I know that a high dose of nicotine can even give me a mild feeling of euphoria. + +>but I don't want to start smoking +That's why they invented nicotine gum. All of the benefits of nicotine without any of the downsides of smoking. + +>but nicotine is harmful +Tobacco is harmful. Nicotine in isolation, such as in nicotine gum, has not been proven to have any long term negative effects whatsoever. No link between nicotine gum and cancer, diabetes, heart disease or lung disease has been found[4][5]. Every study that found nicotine to be harmful was studying its usage in the form of tobacco, primarily by smoking cigarettes. The only proven downside is that it's addictive, but what is the problem with being addicted to a harmless substance? Even caffeine is addictive + +>inb4 shill +What am I shilling? Go buy generic store brand nicotine gum for all I care. + +[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3151730/ +[2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2178432/ +[3] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002916523235479?via%3Dihub +[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_gum#Safety_concerns +[5] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27699443 + +My own experience has been positive and I want to share my thoughts with other people. Don't just take my word for it, as always do your own research. +--- 15350899 +>>15350686 (OP) +Big baccy shill + +Hijacking this thread with no survivors: +How bad is smoking a cigar once every few months? +--- 15350976 +>>15350899 +Illiterate retard, leave my thread. +--- 15350986 +>>15350686 (OP) +All things in moderation - I prefer pipe smoking because it’s less convenient than cigs or popping nicotine gum, which makes it a little harder to abuse. +--- 15350999 +>>15350976 +Have you seen the mirror? +--- 15351036 +I vape around $6 of nicotine a day. Unflavored to reduce chemical intake and pod-based to reduce environmental waste. +Pure(-ish) nicotine is great but it's addictive and costs a lot. I've also noticed weight gain in the belly, which I've read nicotine causing fat to move toward the core. Nicotine users experience a 10-20% reduction in baseline dopamine which is part of the addictiveness. I want to quit but I'm not disciplined enough. +--- 15352233 +These gums help me a lot with my post traumatic stress. They calm my nerves very well. +--- 15352668 +>>15351036 +Just know that as soon as your coil is burnt *at all* youre starting to smoke metals. Burning it could be on the first hit, fyi. + +Titanium nails for vaporizing wax come in two price points, $30 and $250. +$30 makes toxins, $250 doesnt. +--- 15352730 +>>15350686 (OP) +Don't be a fucking pussy, get a pipe and smoke it like a real man + +You don't inhale so there's no effects on your lungs, tiny increase in risk of jaw cancer but unless you're puffing all day it's not a real concern + +Just take care to avoid becoming addicted or it turns into a liability, the withdrawal effects outweigh the marginal health benefits. + +>>15350899 +It's totally fine if you can handle it, just don't inhale. + +However I find a cigar has way too much nicotine and I feel lightheaded and nauseous by the end of it, a pipe is much more efficient for casual use. +--- 15352797 +>>15350686 (OP) +it's literally poison you retard +--- 15352845 +>>15350686 (OP) +Nicotine contract arteries, as all stimulants do, and consistent usage will cause hardening of the arteries over time, regardless of intake method. + +Not really worse than caffeine or other stimulants, but it's not "healthy" to strain your cardiovascular system 24/7, even if only by a minor margin. + +Your body functions at thin biological margins. + +A tiny amount of change over time adds up to big problems eventually. +--- 15353091 +>>15352797 +>>15350899 +Why do people like you come on /sci/ and reply without even reading a relatively short post? Absolutely pathetic, I bet you're phoneposters as well. + +>>15352845 +>Nicotine contract arteries, as all stimulants do, and consistent usage will cause hardening of the arteries over time, regardless of intake method +Source? +--- 15353092 +>>15352668 +The coil's in the device? I go through 4 pods every 5 days so if the coil is in those that's good, if it's in the device I should probably replace mine. +--- 15353111 +>>15353092 +Coils are in the pod. If you ever buy a vape with reusable pod, you will notice the burnt metallic taste after about 3 refills at which point it’s utterly disgusting. Disposable pods are the way to go +--- 15353122 +>>15352845 +Source: dumb faggot +--- 15353221 +>>15350686 (OP) +Nicotine is gay. Literally so effective at addicting you with so little reward, you would think it was made in a lab. +--- 15353230 +>>15353221 +Syntethic nicotine is made in a lab and it by itself is, anecdotally, less addictive than caffeine +--- 15353261 +>>15353230 +caffeine is barely addictive +--- 15353265 +>>15353261 +Withdrawals from caffeine far exceed nicotine in my experience. Nicotine by itself is barely addictive, and nearly everyone who hasn’t tried it believes it is extremely addictive +--- 15353370 +>>15352730 +>cigar too much +True, especially since the largest sizes are more common. +You can go for a slimmer gauge or partially smoke it and leave it for later. +In which case, remember to blow the smoke out of it before putting out. +--- 15353393 +Just started vaping for this purpose. Makes me relax, a little disassociated, like a form of drunkenness. Not much positive effects outside of that, probably due to high concentration. + +Don't feel any addiction, and regular take breaks to prove it. Only time I think about it is when I'm bored. +--- 15353431 +Yes but use unflavored snus, like zyn smooth. Vape is bad for your lung (yes heating up metal and plastic and inhaling hot propylene glycol is actually bad for your lungs) and artificial sweeteners are bad for your insulin sensitivity, and mint, the most common gum flavor, is strongly estrogenic. +So yes nicotine, but only nicotine. No hot vapours, no artificial sweeteners, no mint. +Also swallowing isn't great, in your stomach it turns into something carcinogenic I think. +--- 15353550 +>>15353431 +>Also swallowing isn't great, in your stomach it turns into something carcinogenic I think. +But I take mine with hot coffee and melt the pouch in a few minutes... + +Kicks, I dont get'em like the olden days...so...yeah. +--- 15353681 +>>15353431 +Based Zyn smooth enjoyer. Got a citrus in rn. While being probably the current best commercial nicotine product, Zyn still have one artificial sweetner in them. +--- 15354048 +>>15353431 +Average Zyn consumer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDpxYOr5d5U [Embed] +--- 15355707 +Any of you guys use nicotine patches? I'm open to trying this but obviously need a baby dose +--- 15356503 +>>15350686 (OP) +Probably won’t kill you, but nicotine in all forms is bad for your boner +--- 15356829 +>>15350686 (OP) +Smoking is definitely a retarded idea, it destroys most of the nicotine and creates tar and carcinogenic stuff, besides the smell. + +What I do is either nic gum, which can be expensive, or just plain tobacco leaves left on my upper gums. It's so simple I now realize everyone else is a larper. Vape's problem is it rushes into the brain. A senselessly fast absorption is bad because it makes the difference between use and dependency(ΔFosB expression and mesolimbic pathway disfunction). +--- 15356842 +>>15350899 +>>15350686 (OP) +>Tabaco shill +Just vape bro. +--- 15359402 +>>15350686 (OP) +Nicotine is literally a mind parasite drug designed so perfectly to create maximum dependency off of absolute bare minimum reward possible. Anybody saying nicotine helps with thinking and thus is worth using (kind of but not a lot), is likely massively coping due to their own addiction, or straight up does not know enough about how fucked it is for your mind. I don't like to sound rude or brash, but nicotine is the world's most uneccesary shot in the foot drug-wise, and it's a shame that anybody is even promiting the microscopic effects of nicotine (particularly smoking) when it has been proven to only have like 5% of the effectiveness of working out. Everybody I know who has tried nicotine has gotten addicted, and they hate themselves for it. Biggest headache in the world to deal with (and we haven't even gotten to the financial cost long-term). Don't. Do. Nicotine. +--- 15359594 +>>15350686 (OP) +Nicotine is one of the most based drugs to exist. Our bodies have evolved around its use for hundreds if not thousands of years. +It only became super harmful when they started cutting corners and putting a ton of additives in it. +I'm almost positive that commercial tobacco in cigarettes is just brown paper soaked in a chemical concoction containing some nicotine, and a plethora of harmful stuff. +Also, nicotine stops covid and induces apoptosis of dead cells in your body. It also kills parasites. + +Don't ever touch commercial cigarettes if you know what's good for you though. It's literally poison. And it's why everyone is now afraid of nicotine in any form. + +Look into ACE2 receptors and nicotine binding. +--- 15359605 +>>15359402 +You are talking about commercial cigarettes. Or vaping it. + +Organic additive-free tobacco or the gum is legit. See >>15359594 +--- 15359872 +i use the lozenges. It does not seem to give me withdrawals upon cessation. It is addictive in the sense of habitual use. Smoking is much different. I don't recommend nicotine, and I don't warn you off of nicotine. Do what you want. diff --git a/sci/15350697.txt b/sci/15350697.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e9aed6ef8201e793ad8ec880298f6d40b651e696 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15350697.txt @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +----- +--- 15350697 +How much insurance would have to be claimed at once before the whole economy asploded? +--- 15352608 +>>15350697 (OP) +That wouldn't crash the economy. + +A more interesting question would be "How many people have to stop paying income taxes before the IRS is disbanded?" +Most estimates say as little as 10%, some are as high as 25%. +FYI, only about 55% of people pay income tax directly. The rest pay it indirectly via higher prices in other methods. +Also, only around 45% of people pay property taxes directly. +--- 15355261 +>>15352608 +>FYI, only about 55% of people pay income tax directly. +How else are they paying it? +Never heard of a non-direct way +--- 15357854 +>>15350697 (OP) +$10m per person i guess idk diff --git a/sci/15350705.txt b/sci/15350705.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b443914cf19f366f8087e917119d6f826c2b4562 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15350705.txt @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +----- +--- 15350705 +The solution with this is that math is a shortcut. Ultimately, the percentage calculations mean nothing, there are only 2 outcomes, either you are correct or you arent, and if we had knowledge of all the factors, we could always make the correct decision. + +The math merely provides a chance. ITs essentially meaningless. Your chance of winning the loterally is 0.0003%. That doesnt mean anything if you know all the factors. + +A diceroll is random. Its not if you can calculate the throw, gravity, wind resistance, the material of the surface it lands on and what the dice is made of. +--- 15350980 +>it either happens or doesn't +--- 15351014 +>>15350980 +> Hidden variables +Quantum mechanics enters the room +--- 15351025 +A one-in-two guess is better than a one-in-three guess. Sometimes the host of the show might pull the switcheroo on you before he opens the door though. +--- 15351251 +>>15350705 (OP) +>loterally +What's a loterally? +--- 15351283 +>>15351025 +>pull the switcheroo on you before he opens the door +that's a different problem, it changes to a common 1/2. +--- 15351287 +>>15351283 +nevermind, I misunderstood what you mean, it only keeps it as a regular 1/3 +--- 15351289 +it's an interesting problem. it exposes how people can't grasp probability at the level of comparing small differences between probability. + +op is at a different level of moron though. +--- 15351306 +>>15351289 +A genius is often considered a madman or fool by the people of his age, so I thank you for the compliment +--- 15351318 +>either you're correct or you aren't +True, except the probability of either is not 50% +--- 15351452 +>>15351289 +OP is talking about something different dude, you are the midwit. +--- 15351540 +>>15350705 (OP) +Are you saying that probability is just a tool designed to model situations with incomplete information? +Wow, what a revelation! +--- 15351794 +>>15350705 (OP) +>Your chance of winning the loterally is 0.0003%. That doesnt mean anything if you know all the factors. +It means that people who understand probability don't play the lottery +--- 15351835 +https://warosu.org/sci/image/_Yfsujk_ipZMbRBRisE3rA +--- 15351853 +>>15351540 +And people take it too far. They estimate 73% of success for a business. +The fact that they have to rely on probability means there factors outside of their control they do not fully understand. Really all it means is "were reasonably confident" + +It doesnt really mean anything. The entire field of probability is basically a giant meme if you think about it except in games where there are many chances. + +Like theres a 0.5% chance of blindness in your population and youre deciding how much of the public budget needs to go towards helping blind folk +--- 15352087 +>>15351853 +> The fact that they have to rely on probability means there factors outside of their control they do not fully understand. +Well of course, no one knowns the exact state of the whole universe at some given point in time. + +> Really all it means is "were reasonably confident" +It could mean different things, English is weird like that. +I think the most reasonable interpretation is that out of all the businesses that they looked at, 73% of the businesses succeeded (however they defined success) and they are assuming that the trend will continue. +They are not saying that for each business the universe will roll a dice to see if it succeeds or not. +They're saying that out all the future business, they expect around 73% of them to succeed and make no claim whatsoever as to which businesses specifically will fail or succeed. + +> It doesnt really mean anything. The entire field of probability is basically a giant meme. +I disagree. +Even if the outcome of some events could theoretically be calculated exactly, we might not have the practical means to do so (or doing so might just be too expensive). +For example with the dice role, sure, assuming that there aren't any inherently random physical events, you could calculate the exact force and angle you need to get the result you want in a given specific situation. But how are you going to get the exact mass distribution of the dice? How are you going to get the temperature/pressure of the air? How are you going to know the distance from you hand to the floor? How are you going to know the wind speed? How are you going to apply that exact force? +Accepting the uniform distribution as a model for a dice role is incredibly useful and conforms with our empirical observations. +Data collection and computation aren't free. If a model is accurate enough for the amount of effort it saves, it's a useful and meaningful model imo. +But yes, like all of math, people should remember that it's just a model. +--- 15352614 +>>15351853 +>Like theres a 0.5% chance of blindness in your population and youre deciding how much of the public budget needs to go towards helping blind folk +What's this supposed to mean? Obviously some budget needs to go towards helping them. +--- 15352627 +>>15352087 +>But yes, like all of math, people should remember that it's just a model. +--- 15352650 +>>15351306 +Of all the people considered idiots, most are actually idiots, not geniuses. You think you're special, but you're coming to 4channel for validation; that should tell you that you're not doing great. +--- 15352771 +>>15352650 +Pot calling the kettle black. +--- 15353384 +>>15352650 +Why would that imply im not doing great? Anonymous discussion is the only way to (theoretically) have less bias +If I discuss something in person theres the issue of face +--- 15353796 +>>15353384 +>Anonymous discussion is the only way to (theoretically) have less bias +Yes, that's the theory. How have the past two decades of practice looked? Be honest here. +--- 15355058 +>>15351025 +In this case, It's a 2/3 guess, being better than a 1/3 guess. +--- 15355182 +>>15350705 (OP) +The Monty Hall problem is a joke. THE CHANCE IS 50% EITHER WAY. +You can test this yourself with any statistical software, pic related is my result +--- 15355375 +>>15355182 +Your software is a midwit. +--- 15355409 +>>15355182 +I called your software a midwit, but I was wrong. I found it online. Turns out you're the midwit because you didn't run it enough times. +--- 15355414 +>>15353384 +>discussion +That's kinda the point. If you had achieved anything in your life you wouldn't be 'discussing' with people on 4chan. You'd be busy with work, rolling in money, or some shit. By merely implying that discussion matters you're already showing naivete and lack of workplace experience; way to out yourself as a kid. But keep reveling in other people calling you an idiot; you are so kewl and different hehe XD. +--- 15355477 +>>15351853 +If there's 0.5% chance of blindness that can be used to estimate the PROPORTION of blindness in a population or the MEAN number blind, which can be used to make effective decisions because extreme precidion won't change much (not much difference in decisions between 1459 people and 1470 people, so approximation is safe and efficient) +--- 15355646 +>>15355182 +Here's a very simple mathematica simulation. Next time increase your sample size. I used 1 million, which is overkill. +--- 15357848 +>>15350705 (OP) +reddit spacing +--- 15358011 +>>15357848 +Not a thing. Go be a newfag somewhere else. diff --git a/sci/15350716.txt b/sci/15350716.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a075d77925ca69f3c079cbc1275b5495bb9fe02a --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15350716.txt @@ -0,0 +1,341 @@ +----- +--- 15350716 +The reason /sci/ is a psued board full of hacks is because the people here don't know how to investigate anything from first principles. The scientism cult doesn't allow you to question the basic tenets of the cults dogma/gospels. It is why the idiots here can never come up with the correct answer, their givens and assumptions are always incorrect and they attack anyone that points this out and dared to question their high priest (a 100 level (((textbook)))). A lot of the seething retards probably do have actual autism and not having a base you can declare as the absolute unquestionable truth to draw all other conclusions is probably why they have spastic meltdowns. They can't allow anyone else to displace their bible and priests because everything they think they know crumbles of that happens and they cant deal with that +--- 15350867 +I give this bait post a D. I was leaning towards a D+, however you invoked jews which lost you a point for lack of creativity. I would suggest studying some shit posts and bait posts before the end of semester otherwise you may fall behind +--- 15350874 +>from first principles +Meaningless soi buzzword. You cannot name any of these alleged "first principles". They're nothing more than an ancient meme. +--- 15350881 +>>15350874 +Is this a "pretending to be retarded" meme post or are you really this stupid? +--- 15350883 +>>15350716 (OP) +Go on, say something smart, then. +--- 15350900 +>>15350716 (OP) +t. chopra cult drone +--- 15350973 +>>15350716 (OP) +>is because the people here don't know how to investigate anything from first principles. T +I do. Some people here still abide by the scientific method +--- 15351042 +>>15350874 +>You cannot name any of these alleged "first principles". +The first principle is to cite authority. The second principle is that your direct experience ranks below the first principle. Authority says the distance to the moon is X. So you calculate with X when asked. You never verify X for yourself. If you do and arrive at a different answer, you're wrong because you're inferior to authority. The third principle is authority wants the best for you. Hospitals serve the cheapest sources of carbs and fat with as little protein as possible because that's the healthiest way to recover. +--- 15351073 +>>15350716 (OP) +Ah yes, classic schizo narrative. You are really a "free thinker" and an "intellectual", and you've got everything all figured out. The scientists and all wrong, and they're either all in on it, or they're just not as smart as a "free thinker" like yourself. + +Conspiracy schizos always construct the same narrative in their heads. They are persecuted. They are right. They are heroes. Society is wrong. Society is evil. And everyone else is in on it. + +Take your fucking meds, and go back to your containment board. You're a mentally unstable right wing incel loser, not the troubled and independent intellectual being targeted by society, like you make yourself out to be. +--- 15351091 +>>15351073 +>Despite various publications of results where hand-washing reduced mortality to below 1%, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. He could offer no theoretical explanation for his findings of reduced mortality due to hand-washing, and some doctors were offended at the suggestion that they should wash their hands and mocked him for it. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis +--- 15351112 +>gets thoroughly humiliated by /sci/ +>makes this in seething rage only to get humiliated again +--- 15351113 +>>15351073 +"Schizo" is a right-wing insult. You are maybe a cunthair to the left of OP. +--- 15351140 +>>15350881 +>can't name a "first principle" +Thanks for confirming my point. +--- 15351328 +>>15351073 +>>15351112 +projecting troon schizo +many such cases +--- 15351332 +>>15351091 +You neglect to mention that doctors accepted him as correct when a model was proposed. +--- 15351341 +>>15351113 +Did you have a stroke while typing this post? +--- 15351344 +>>15351332 +>You neglect to mention +How many people died unnecessarily in the meantime. +--- 15351349 +>>15350867 +that isnt being very charitable, it is very truthful and that alone sets it at least a B as far as troll posting goes. Most troll posting starts with a strawman premise whereas this is 100% factual +--- 15351358 +>>15351344 +You are wasting your time. You have to understand how the mind of the NPC works. They are always right because they are citing the "authority" not any facts they can ultimately post too. This is the entire point of OP. He is always right until the book/person he views as the authority changes. Then he will be always be right for citing that too. These "people" are incapable of thinking for themselves all they are incapable of is memorizing and regurgitating memes and the funniest part is they think it makes them smart, to be able memorize and regurgitate memes because their monkey trainers trained them that way +--- 15351380 +>>15351349 +Shut up schizo +--- 15351381 +>>15351344 +Who fucking cares? If you want to count bodies, how many people die due to homeopathic medicines and in the past due to leeches and other religious rituals? If you want to go down that path I demand you reject religion due to how many lives it ended with its unscientific spiritual healing bs. +--- 15351392 +>>15351380 +>seething schizo is seething +--- 15351396 +>>15350716 (OP) +90% scientists is just human-form of wikipedia, waste of everyones time +--- 15351398 +>>15351073 +maybe i would get your post serious, but then i look at covid-19 and i know who's right again, sorry +--- 15351400 +>>15351381 +That's black/white thinking. The science of football says that bicycle kicks are high risk/low reward. We would be robbed of amazing goals if every player would follow that science all the time. +--- 15351405 +>>15351392 +You're literally hallucinating, schizo +--- 15351423 +>>15351405 +scoop a nice, fat pile of shit out of your ass and take a massive huge bite and swallow it down shit eating schizo +--- 15351453 +The reason why /sci/ is "filled with pseuds" is because the people who know what they're talking about are at their jobs, and the majority of posters are either shitposting or desperately trying to own zone strawman they've constructed. +The rest are people who have desperately clung to being the biggest brain in a small pond as their only source of superiority, and are trying to maintain that delusion with IQ scores. If you stick around long enough you'll be able to spot an anon who actually knows their shit. +--- 15351474 +>>15351341 +No. Are you capable of forming an original thought, or is it cliches all the way down? +--- 15351480 +>>15351140 +Retard never learnt newton's laws. +--- 15351484 +>>15350883 +boys have a penis and girls have a vagina. This is apparently highly contested esoteric knowledge in modern day.very high iq to understand this +--- 15351507 +>>15350716 (OP) +Anon, the mathfags here are hardly sophomore level, quit projecting. Also, I'm pretty sure you don't know how to use group theory. +--- 15351514 +>>15351507 +>i am very smart +--- 15351523 +>>15351514 +That's irrelevant, OP is also a pseud. +--- 15351524 +>>15351484 +Obviously wrong. Proof: there are girls with penises competing in weightlifting and martial arts. When you call someone a boy or a girl, not only are you assuming they have genitals without verification, which is very unscientific, you are also projecting other unverified beliefs that can be harmful, like assuming that boys are at lower risk from iron deficiency because they eat steak and don't menstruate. That's medical malpractice in a basedciety, but medical textbooks don't take social environment into account. Therefore, at least one course in gender studies must be completed to get your /sci/ degree. +--- 15351528 +>>15351507 +Memorizing textbooks doesn't make you smart, questioning the mainstream does +--- 15351529 +>>15350716 (OP) +What the fuck is predictive knowledge? +--- 15351531 +>>15351523 +or maybe he's just baited us all. Best not to waste time on this thread. +--- 15351534 +>>15351528 +What is it with you retards and group theory? +--- 15351535 +>>15351534 +>seething groupcel cultist +--- 15351542 +>>15351535 +It's just a useful mathematical tool. You're the one who follows Tooker's schizophasia. +--- 15351547 +>>15351542 +has group theory ever gotten you any pussy you little ass grabbing faggot? +--- 15351548 +>>15350716 (OP) +What do you expect, if you go against dogmatism of science, they jump on you like lions. If you go against dogmatism of philosophy, they again jump on you like lions. Religion? Well no meed to tell yoi about it. +I refuse to think that people dont question things, what i think is that people feel to comftareble in ivory towers where they dont need to fight alone from all sides. +Psychology afffects human thinking alot. +--- 15351549 +>>15351542 +>useful mathematical tool +not this faggot. +so, what is your practical use of group theory? +--- 15351554 +>>15351549 +For first it filters out midwits like you, actually that's enough. +Beatiful isn't it? +--- 15351559 +>>15351549 +Literally all of physics since special relativity. +--- 15351560 +>>15351554 +so you basically never use it for anything in your life and yet you claim it is useful, how so? +--- 15351564 +>>15351554 +So it's just a tool for academics to pretend to be superior to the common man? +--- 15351568 +>>15351564 +Retard, did u even read the replies? >>15351559 +--- 15351574 +>>15350874 +it means starting from basic facts and physics instead of relying on "common sense" or analogies which may lead you to believe something doesnt work because it hasn't worked before, this other thing is done like x and not y so it can't work etc +--- 15351577 +>>15351568 +but you never achieve anything in physics anon +--- 15351579 +>>15350867 +I'm gonna guess you give it that grade because the meme mirrors your reality + +kill yourself +--- 15351583 +>>15351568 +How is this "special relativity" useful in real life other than to satisfy academics delusions? +--- 15351590 +>>15351554 +it filtered you from ever having sex +--- 15351609 +>>15351583 +It's used everyday for GPS and nuclear physics, but usefulness isn't a necessity for scientific theories. This is /sci/ ffs, you retards are part of problem. +--- 15351619 +>>15351609 +I'll admit I was only trolling and saying the sort of things that schizos like bodhi would find intelligent. +--- 15351622 +>>15351609 +>It's used everyday for GPS and nuclear physics, +fine, and you? how do you utilize it? every retard can use gps but it doesn't need to understand the internal of the system. +--- 15351635 +>>15351619 +fuck me, I've been trolled again. You can't even tell anymore on /sci/. +--- 15351642 +>>15351635 +Then again, it doesn't really matter, why waste your time arguing with retards? +--- 15351666 +>>15351619 +lmao @ the seething schizo + + +>>15351635 +What's really sad is that guy is an actual legit psychotic cluster B NPB so you got meta trolled +--- 15351819 +>>15351609 +>It's used everyday for GPS and nuclear physics,nope +>but usefulness isn't a necessity for scientific theories. +nope +>you retards are part of problem. +pot, kettle, etc +--- 15352175 +>>15350716 (OP) +Can your first principles build a bridge? No? Then it's boring +--- 15352199 +>>15352175 +if you try to not be the biggest faggot in the room every once in a while you might get some pussy +--- 15353626 +>>15350716 (OP) +What the fuck is this post even talking about? First principles? Is this one of those schizo posts like +>Real numbers don't actually exist hurr durr +--- 15353871 +>>15353626 +something above your IQ level apparently. is anyone really surprised? I'm certainly not +--- 15354204 +>>15350716 (OP) +>Illiterate in philosophy, politics, history, literature +Midwit detected +--- 15354317 +>>15353644 +You're quoting different Anons and you contribute nothing to the discussion. A scientist seeks to expand understanding, not to contempt or ridicule. +--- 15354360 +>>15354204 +That is actually based. Garbage in garbage out. If you don't read the garbage you will just let out natural ideas that are more beautiful and true. +--- 15354369 +>>15351548 +Yes. But also there is a true reality and it is kind of a terrifying thing. The truth is kind of scary but also beautiful. It really is ALL mind and once you can FEEL what that means you start to SEE the truth. It's not really about a little tiny word or even a book full of words. +--- 15354399 +>>15354369 +We're ER doctors and the patient is bleeding out. Quickly now: how does your perspective help this patient in a better way than the materialist perspective? +--- 15354466 +>>15354360 +More likely you'll come up with the same shit of the trillions of humans who were born before you thinking of this same shit, who you chose to ignore, and further, when you are just flat out wrong, never know, let alone why. + +Meanwhile there are billions of other people building on the back of the information that those trillions passed down to them, all of which are hundreds of magnitudes more likely to come up with advancements than you are on your own. + +Dunno why you decided to call it quits learning from humanity how to talk, write, and type, while communicating your willful ignorance using devices that are the culmination of billions of people working together through time through generations of education. +--- 15354474 +>>15354399 +My perspective does not say what you think it does. If someone is bleeding and dying even with my beliefs you can treat them in a way that works. Nobody has to believe materialism to perform first aid or surgery. You just have to respect the body and processes. +--- 15354478 +>>15354466 +Just because you say big numbers doesn't make them real. It doesn't take humans thousands of generations to realize this world is an evil place. Lying isn't powerful dude. +--- 15354488 +>>15350716 (OP) +sounds like someone refused the vaxx +tsk tsk +https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UQYTb9DwKjQ [Embed] +--- 15354508 +>>15354474 +You're circumventing the point that science needs to differentiate what model of reality is more valid, reliable and predective for specific purposes like medicine. Your view offers no such differentiating. If you want to criticize science, then please criticize the sneaky way they abuse facts to shill a narrative like: universe big, you small, Earth not center, therefore you're insignificant. That's insidious. +--- 15354515 +>>15354399 +We're two fags and your as is hanging out. I insert my bbc into it very quickly. How do you respond white boi? What math formula is going to keep from enjoying this massive black log up your ass? +--- 15354518 +>>15354508 +Yeah but anon that shit ain't science. It is based on what appears to work, what might work, what doesn't work, etc. It is scientific but not some kind of super pure thing that can only work with a philosophy that says all is matter. You just have to think critically about things. Also in the case of mental health stuff medicine is basically a complete failure. Pretty much all mental conditions are deemed life long. That is because treatment doesn't actually work. Not to mention when people discover alternative methods to help their mental and spiritual issues they get gaslit by the health system over it. And also blamed for other people's death as if your existence isn't allowed because someone else would have died without meds. Yeah medicine ain't perfect dude. +--- 15354527 +>>15354478 +>It doesn't take humans thousands of generations to realize this world is an evil place. +There's more to learn than that, and eventually, you'll discover that's not the case. +--- 15354541 +>>15354527 +Sure. Actually i think you are right. The world is more of a scary place with evil things in it. But really evil things aren't in control but they do lie constantly so they can appear in control. +--- 15354581 +>>15354518 +Politics and funding aside, science seems indeed to be an agnostic instrument to develop ''what works'', regardless what the nature of reality is. Simultaneously it does seem to assume that the observed exists independently from the observer. That assumption leads to the confusion between a shared perception and reality itself, leaving science vulnerable to politics, funding and failure. +However, the failure of science is less about the instrument and more about how the instrument is used. For example: +>>15354515 +In a world full of people with this kind of attitude to learning and discussing any approach is doomed to fail. +--- 15354594 +>>15351398 +>ESL +--- 15354602 +>>15354581 +lol that anon had a point though. Bringing up some horrible gruesome shit as a counter point is basically just a threat. It isn't something that should be taken that serious. You already know that believing materialism doesn't make you a doctor. Its just a dumb argument. I had one butthurt anon tell me I will believe materialism once they shove gasoline down my throat. Its just obnoxious threats. Really shows how full of shit the worshippers of science and matter are. +--- 15354644 +>>15354602 +You keep circumventing the point that ''all is mind'' is unfalsifiable and you have no evidence that it is a more valid, reliable and predictive way to solve the problems you propose. On the contrary: people who claim to be spiritual and listen to guru's who promote ''all is mind'' are among the most mentally damaged and emotionally vulnerable. +--- 15354663 +>>15354644 +lol anon it doesn't actually solve problems. It is just the natural development of the human mind. It isn't something you can erase with some dogma or something I understand in a dogmatic way. It is simply the truth and it is the path that my mind and soul automatically takes. I am not in control or deciding to realize these things I just see them. Eventually we all move on from the world as it is. +--- 15354676 +>>15354644 +To add: first they are disappointed by the failure of psycho-logists, psychiatrists and psycho therapist, then they are ripe to be exploited by the alternatives. Neither science nor anything else can cure sick fish in the toxic water they have to live in. +--- 15354697 +>>15350867 +I agree, the post lacks subtlety. You can just beat the /sci/tard over the head with the truth, you have to leave some breadcrumbs that they can follow IF they're intellectually honest. +--- 15354704 +>>15351398 +Never post again, poojeet. +--- 15354707 +>>15354663 +If your view is how you experience life, then it makes no sense to use reason to convince anyone else of what is beyond reason. +--- 15354734 +>>15354707 +Reason is just another experience. It's just how you travel through ideas without getting lost. There is nothing wrong with using reason but it isn't everything. Really it is kind of like a comforting thing to keep you from being consumed by fear. +--- 15354739 +>>15354581 +his argument made as much sense and was just as relevant as yours, you are just retarded +--- 15354746 +>>15354644 +this is levels of strawman retardation rarely seen even in this retarded place. you are stupid anon, you are doomed to fail everything due to your retardation +--- 15354752 +>>15351574 +>it means starting from basic facts and physics +which ones? the ones that required thousands of years of thought and experiments? +lol, fuck off /pol/cel, you'll never be a knowledgeable, stoic reinassance man +--- 15354756 +>>15354752 +schizo retard +--- 15356996 +>>15350716 (OP) +>The scientism cult doesn't allow you to question the basic tenets of the cults dogma/gospels. +and the dogma never originates from science to begin with, its all contrived for political uses. +homosexuality was first identifies as a mental illness, when that became politically inconvenient "the science" changed +--- 15357172 +Rishi Dunak says boys have a penis. Hes a billionaire and a prime minister so hes qualified +--- 15357182 +>>15354746 +Ad hominem is not a better argument than strawman and you're still circumventing the point. You lost the debate. +--- 15357192 +>>15354734 +True. So how does this advance science? I guess I'll find out after taking an inner engineering course from Sadhguru. +--- 15357205 +>>15354746 +Forget my responses below. +>>15357182 +>>15357192 +I realize now that I should communicate at your level of superior intellect so here it goes: you sound like having a penis in your mouth therefore you're a retard. That's how you drag down every conversation. I suspect you're the same fag that trolled the philosophy of consciousness debates. No one wanted to play with you anymore after you killed that thread, so now you're looking for fresh blood like the vampire you are. +--- 15358156 +>>15357205 +can't hear you with the massive tranny dong in your mouth diff --git a/sci/15350862.txt b/sci/15350862.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..727e86972e561a2ab20c931d1f66cb82bf13fa97 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15350862.txt @@ -0,0 +1,644 @@ +----- +--- 15350862 +>was an assistant professor at Harvard for 3 years +>proposed the weak gravity conjecture with Nima Arkani-Hamed and Cumrun Vafa +>left Harvard abruptly to become a publicist +>writes book about the Bogdanovs +>writes on his alt-right blog +>"many readers are left-wing, anti-string-theory fighters. So they probably smoke marijuana and this is my modest attempt to help them." +> "left-wing groups want to use this carbon theme as a tool for wealth redistribution." +>"But needless to say, this is exactly what feminists, homosexualists, and other radical leftists want to do to all inconvenient biological human beings, too. If these individuals are not kept in check, like the Muslim communities, they will simply do their best to kill anyone who realizes that this left-wing ideology is cancer." +>"rightwing people … may even be more efficient while killing – and the probable reason is that Breivik may have a higher IQ than your garden variety leftwing or Islamic terrorist." +>blog gets boycotted by physicists and shuts down in 2022 +>b& from social media +>now answers questions on stack exchange + +Cry about it. +--- 15350877 +>still believing in the "left vs right" dichotomy +Low IQ +--- 15350879 +>>15350862 (OP) +Actually iz Dolan +--- 15350880 +>>15350862 (OP) +i'm glad that this midwit isn't doing well +--- 15350972 +>>15350862 (OP) +No one said martyrdom was easy +--- 15351074 +what a beautiful mind. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEn64S67VDc [Embed] +--- 15351087 +>>15350877 +this desu +>left vs right dichotomy, black vs. white, etc. +no +>rich vs. poor dichotomy +yes +--- 15351121 +>deletes my comments +>bans me from his blog +>or so the simulators in Antarctica make it seem +--- 15351125 +Sixty-Six Theses: Next Steps and the Way Forward in the Modified Cosmological Model +>https://vixra.org/abs/2206.0152 +>http://gg762.net/d0cs/papers/Sixty-Six_Theses__v2-20220726.pdf +The purpose is to review and lay out a plan for future inquiry pertaining to the modified cosmological model (MCM) and its overarching research program. The material is modularized as a catalog of open questions that seem likely to support productive research work. The main focus is quantum theory but the material spans a breadth of physics and mathematics. Cosmology is heavily weighted and some Millennium Prize problems are included. A comprehensive introduction contains a survey of falsifiable MCM predictions and associated experimental results. Listed problems include original ideas deserving further study as well as investigations of others' work when it may be germane. A longstanding and important conceptual hurdle in the approach to MCM quantum gravity is resolved. A new elliptic curve application is presented. With several exceptions, the presentation is high-level and qualitative. Formal analyses are mostly relegated to the future work which is the topic of this book. Sufficient technical context is given that third parties might independently undertake the suggested work units. +--- 15351126 +>>15351121 +>>15351125 +--- 15351235 +>>15351121 +have u actually worked in theoretical physics? You seem to know some shit. +--- 15351255 +>>15351235 +His name is jonathan tooker, hes indeed a physicist but fell on hard times +--- 15351269 +>>15351255 +You telling me, that namefag is John Tooker? proof or gtfo. +--- 15351276 +>>15351269 +everyone knows it is tooker newfag +--- 15351292 +>>15351269 +My name is Jon, actually. +--- 15351296 +>>15351276 +yo really? How'd u guys know? +--- 15351297 +>>15351292 +--- 15351300 +Fractional Distance: The Topology of the Real Number Line with Applications to the Riemann Hypothesis +>https://vixra.org/abs/2111.0072 +>http://gg762.net/d0cs/papers/Fractional_Distance_v6-20210521.pdf +Recent analysis has uncovered a broad swath of rarely considered real numbers called real numbers in the neighborhood of infinity. Here we extend the catalog of the rudimentary analytical properties of all real numbers by defining a set of fractional distance functions on the real number line and studying their behavior. The main results of are (1) to prove with modest axioms that some real numbers are greater than any natural number, (2) to develop a technique for taking a limit at infinity via the ordinary Cauchy definition reliant on the classical epsilon-delta formalism, and (3) to demonstrate an infinite number of non-trivial zeros of the Riemann zeta function in the neighborhood of infinity. We define numbers in the neighborhood of infinity as Cartesian products of Cauchy equivalence classes of rationals. We axiomatize the arithmetic of such numbers, prove all the operations are well-defined, and then make comparisons to the similar axioms of a complete ordered field. After developing the many underlying foundations, we present a basis for a topology. +--- 15351308 +>>15351292 +Worthless schizo you still haven't corrected your mistake with theorem 1.9 - proposition 1.8 +--- 15351309 +>>15351300 +why do u reject ZFC? +--- 15351313 +>>15351309 +I don't even know what ZTC is, idiot. +--- 15351314 +>>15351296 +because he has been posting here for years. He used to use the name el archon +--- 15351315 +>>15351313 +fuck I got u confused with this other schizo: https://www.youtube.com/@njwildberger/ +Remembering names isn't my strong suit. +--- 15351316 +>>15351308 +stfu shit eating schizo +--- 15351317 +>>15351314 +u and jealous have backgrounds in physics, I presume? +--- 15351320 +>>15351317 +my background is information science but I know more about physics than 99% of the morons here, you could say this about pretty much any topic however so I guess it isnt saying much +--- 15351324 +>>15351320 +I'm pretty sure tooker is a schizo, I mean his vixra publications are borderline word salad. I've been in the same place, felt pretty stupid when I realized my own delusions, not actual schizophrenia tho. +--- 15351340 +>>15351324 +It helps if you actually read a textbook. Tooker, like most of his type is suffering from severe dunning-Kruger. +--- 15351369 +>>15351324 +he does suffer from schizophrenia, yes +--- 15351375 +>>15351369 +Well u seem just as afflicted. +--- 15352028 +>>15351087 +based, i dont want to have to associate with filthy poors +--- 15352239 +>>15350862 (OP) +just some worthless nobody +>muh harvard +not any more meaningful than saying he drives a benz. +dude decided to do nothing with his life other than pose as intellectual, unfortunate for him, many such cases. affluenza & pompous leisure class pursuits. +--- 15355250 +>>15350862 (OP) +>>>/pol/ +--- 15357861 +>>15350862 (OP) +>literal who +--- 15357920 +>>15351340 +>dunning-Kruger +Funny way of typing Imposter Syndrome but no, still. +>If anyone above me is brought below my level then Im basically a badass above them. +No. Youre trying, but no. +--- 15357931 +>>15351308 +I believe the reason that you refer to a mistake but do not demonstrate it is because it doesn't exist. +--- 15357935 +>>15351269 +Newfag +--- 15357938 +>>15351324 +Do you see shadow people? That's the smoking gun signal of schizophrenia +--- 15357978 +>>15357931 +Wed led u to this Jon? You were doing just fine as an undergrad, but now you're a certified crackpot. +--- 15357980 +>>15357978 +jews +--- 15357981 +>>15357978 +if memory serves, he got hit hard by the #metoo movement via false allegations +--- 15357983 +What does TIMESAND in filenames mean? +--- 15357985 +>>15357920 +stfu retard, u couldn't even get an intro phys question correct pseud. +--- 15357998 +>>15357980 +Did the jews tell you to publish this horseshit? +https://vixra.org/pdf/1807.0136v2.pdf +--- 15358008 +>>15357985 +You never asked me and and I never answered. Even the most basic of researchers would have noticed this...yet you have not. +>asks a basic 101 question +You would ask one like that because its the level of answers you know... + +Youre not a real Physicist, are you?... +--- 15358013 +>>15357981 +Actually, I am the starter of the #MeToo movement. This woman who was presented to me as my sister when I was a child is not the mother of the child actress McKenna Grace. I made some posts about how it was obvious that she was being molested my lechers calling their dicks "sausages," and then the next day Alyssa Milano posted #MeToo to say that she was also molested by those same Hollywood turds that call their dicks sausages. This is that "hollywood pedo elite" that you always hear about; they are foremost among my enemies. +--- 15358020 +>>15358013 +This movie is about me, in fact. +--- 15358022 +>>15358008 +here's a phy101 question for you: assume a habitable planet exists with gravity 3x as strong as earth. could you do the dead man's float in water on that planet? justify your answer. +--- 15358032 +>>15357983 +I use it to demonstrate time travel. The blurb part of TIMESAND___blurb.jpg is sometimes used as a cryptographic key for files that were encrypted long before I created "blurb." For example, if you move in those circles, I think you may find the present blurb to be highly useful. + +The numbers at the end of the first Cicada 3301 puzzle were my DOB and SSN as well as the viXra ID's from my earlier papers +https://vixra.org/author/jonathan_w_tooker + +Hi, I am Jon Tooker: the inventor of the time circuit... +https://justpaste.me/EWWg1 + +Mundane events related to time travel. +http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1240030/pg1 + +John Titor, the Montauk Project, the e-Cat and Geometric Unity +http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread966329/pg1 + +I am the anonymous physicist featured in the black hole article yesterday. +https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ukbz6/i_am_the_anonymous_physicist_featured_in_the/ +--- 15358034 +>>15358022 +>here's a phy101 question +Wrong, Teachers dont get lectured by the students. My credentials were vetted by the Pentagon, who the fuck do you think you are?!? + +Sit down and shut up, you muppet. +--- 15358038 +>>15357998 +>calling it horseshit but not identifying what you believe to be a deficiency +--- 15358041 +>>15358034 +so you admit you cannot answer a basic phy101 question. now we have evidence of your stupidity. this is your last (you) from me btw (and i mean in all threads) +--- 15358042 +>>15358032 +>The numbers at the end of the first Cicada 3301 puzzle were my DOB and SSN as well as the viXra ID's from my earlier papers +--- 15358044 +>>15358013 +> is **NOW** the mother of the child actress McKenna Grace +--- 15358047 +>>15358041 +>Validate me with engagement. + +No. You need to learn and stop pretending you have a PhD. You clearly dont. +--- 15358052 +>>15358013 +>she was being molested **BY** lechers +Oops. I need to clarify since that's an important one. +--- 15358059 +>>15358008 +On the topic of tunneling, here's a slightly harder question: +If I have a particle in a spherically symmetric potential which is zero until r_0 where it becomes the coulomb potential of a point charge at r = 0 such that the potential at r_0 is larger than the incident particle's energy, derive the transmission probability via the Schrödinger equation to at least first order in [math]\hbar[/math]. +--- 15358079 +>>15358059 +>My credentials were vetted by the Pentagon, who the fuck do you think you are?!? + +No. +--- 15358082 +>>15358079 +That's Jordan "Memphis" Wright wearing a Jake Gyllenahll mask. +--- 15358085 +>>15358082 +Him? +--- 15358087 +>>15358079 +That's right, you fucking pseud. +--- 15358092 +>>15358087 +>you fucking pseud +Tell that to the (real) Deep State, civilian. +--- 15358093 +>>15358085 +No, a different one. Maybe Putin's son. +--- 15358096 +>>15358092 +Why is the real deep state fucking me so hard? +--- 15358097 +>>15351375 +--- 15358102 +>>15358096 +To me there are two. One is the idiots meddling in TV politics and surface level FBI shit. Easily found out. The other is waaay meta, internationally oriented and has "bases" in "enemy nations". + +Its not really "American" even if its based in America, its truly "global earth" oriented but not "globalism" or anything like that. + +Not sude why, same shit for me, "growth"? To persevere? Kings of the Hill have princes vying control of what they couldnt handle anyway? + +Its........all so tiresome... +--- 15358104 +>>15358038 +>I'm totally sane!!! +stfu schizo +--- 15358105 +>>15351375 +You aint in the club, kiddo. +[flips coin in the air and catches it, walks back into the shadows] +--- 15358108 +>>15358104 +>>15358105 + +>talk about projecting me to your level + +Nah, we aint the same species. +--- 15358111 +>>15358104 +This isn't even taking account all the irrelevant bs about hyperreals earlier. I'm no mathematician but I'm pretty sure u have no idea what you're talking about. +--- 15358112 +>>15358102 +Something like this. +--- 15358114 +>>15358104 +If you mean to have identified a deficiency, I am not getting it. Are you suggesting that I didn't add those two numbers together correctly? +--- 15358119 +>>15358111 +>I'm pretty sure u have no idea what you're talking about. +I feel the same way about you since you keep being non-specific about your criticisms. +--- 15358120 +>>15358108 +Oops, thought this was at me...My mind is still realing from this; >>15358042 + +...seriosuly... +--- 15358132 +>>15358120 +Which is why Tooky is more based than you can ever wish to be. You will never be Jonny Tooks. +--- 15358150 +>>15358132 +I see "schizo" I just assume its me as it follows me around here. When animals are fight it one tries to pet them they get bit... + +>You will never be Jonny Tooks. +Correct. I am waaay more degenerate than he is, I can tell. A flat out heretic. +--- 15358155 +>>15358119 +That's the thing, your bs is so dense that it's impossible to even tell what you're trying to say. You constantly invoke infinitesimals and the like without defining them rigorously, your whole argument with the golden ratio is just numerology. Crackpots all looove the golden ratio, it's not just u. +--- 15358161 +>>15358155 +>You constantly invoke infinitesimals and the like without defining them rigorously +That's a physics paper you cited. We don't define things rigorously in physics. We just use them and show what they do. You are stupid: that's your rigorous definition. +--- 15358177 +>>15358155 +it's harder than that. jonathan has a hundreds of pages of rigorous definitions and corollaries in his big paper, which nobody has the patience to read through (i suspect they do, and see no issues so give up). instead, for both party's sakes, jon posts an abridged version which relies on the rigorous definitions elsewhere, and people nitpick those. when jon gives the rigorous framework, people ignore it. watch, i'll cite where he actually derives this stuff. i'm not saying he's right or wrong, merely that i lack the ability to tell. the typical explanation is that you cannot have a neighborhood of infinity, but this is done in complex analysis all the time with the riemann sphere. from what i can read, he builds everything up from scratch. if he has some fundamental flaw in his reasoning, i assume the problem should be tractable early. +https://vixra.org/pdf/2111.0072v1.pdf +--- 15358185 +>>15358177 +>>15358177 +>https://vixra.org/pdf/2111.0072v1.pdf +I agree and I have that paper posted here: +>>15351300 +>>15351300 +--- 15358204 +>>15358104 +found you again shit eater. uncanny how I can find you in every thread isnt it? +--- 15358209 +>>15358155 +>psued hlaf wit too stupid to understand the importance of phi +I guess all the greatest geniuses of history were all "schizos" and you are the one true genius! JFC kys you retarded fucking mouth breather +--- 15358212 +>>15358185 +Relevant clip for your BS. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sZr5nCRFFY&t=1218s [Embed] +--- 15358218 +>>15358209 +>>15358212 +--- 15358229 +>>15358212 +lol, this is sad. dude, you realize you're not even talking about the same thing as tooker is, right? you're so triggered by seeing phi in some paper, that you've completely lost touch with what the context of the discussion is. to be absolutely clear, the context isn't numerology or even golden ratio. it's whether tooker's approach to math is formal, and all this stuff rests on dozens of pages of rigorous definitions and their corollaries. you're not even addressing his argument, you're just spazzing out over seeing some number. it's pathetic. i truly hope you aren't a scientist. +--- 15358233 +>>15358229 +I was initially addressing his golden ratio paper +>>15357998 +--- 15358240 +>>15358229 +because he is the actual schizo retard who is on this board 24/7. He never knows what he is talking about on any subject. All he can do is post nonsensical gibberish and screech schizo at everything he is too stupid to understand. I have dunked on him so hard on so many topics here any normal and sane person would have left the board in shame. He is a fucking schizo however, so he doesnt feel shame for acting schizo, he just pretends it never happened and moves on to his next spastic meltdown. It is a loop on repeat until the day he dies. +--- 15358255 +>>15358212 +You have to delete the "s" from the end of your link if you want 4chan to go to the time in the embedding. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sZr5nCRFFY&t=1218 [Embed] +--- 15358258 +>>15358240 +be honest, do u understand tooker? Do u understand what he means when he says shit like: "a Fibonacci structure in spacetime"? +--- 15358267 +>>15358212 +>>15358255 +Yeah. It seems like he says, "Throughout the history of physics there are paper after paper of people who have noticed the certain specific combinations..." If I didn't know better, I'd think you meant to suggest that my paper was conventional since I noticed that too and wrote some papers about it. +--- 15358279 +>>15358258 +Yes, I do and have written articles about it I have posted here for years +--- 15358280 +>>15358233 +again, i'm talking about your inability to recognize context. you want to dispute his paper on fine structure constant due to numerology? fine, you do you. why the fuck did you respond to this post, regarding his formal mathematical definitions regarding the riemann hypothesis, with your gripes against his golden ratio? it's calling poisoning the well at best. at worst, i'd say it indicates you're somehow triggered at seeing information that conflicts with your perceived reality, indicating lack of confidence but i'll stop there. +>>15358185 + +as for bodhi--shut the fuck up schizo. don't ever respond to my posts again. +--- 15358281 +>>15358258 +It means the boxes in successive unit cells grow like the boxes in a familiar construction of the golden spiral, as in pic related. I'm pretty sure I put a picture of this in the paper. +--- 15358284 +>>15358280 +HAHAHAHA shit eating retard is SEETHING because he got exposed again. Suck shit out of my asshole psued cuck +--- 15358286 +>>15358280 +>why the fuck did you respond to this post, regarding his formal mathematical definitions regarding the riemann hypothesis, with your gripes against his golden ratio? +--- 15358288 +>>15358280 +psued cuck +--- 15358292 +>>15358280 +what are you gonna do now fucking hack cry about it seethe some more? +--- 15358303 +I'm just gonna leave it here. +https://vixra.org/pdf/1208.0076v2.pdf +--- 15358304 +>>15358280 +>REEEEEEEEEE +>REEEEEEEEEEE +--- 15358316 +>bodhi's posted at least 4 posts in 10 minutes crying about being called a schizo by someone he respected and thought was on his side +nice. + +@Tooker: +some general advice for future publications. you're great at identifying patterns, but when constructing a model, you should always have a justification for why you're using that model. for example, i could easily try to model many physical phenomena in cosmology using a logistic function. and it might match some data, but i'd open myself up to many questions, all boiling down to: what's my motivation for using a logistic function? in truth, i have none. i just see something that looks somewhat like a sigmoid, and see what happens. + +when is a logistic function valid? when you have a situation like dx/dt = x(1-x), or in other words some "competition" between the function and its complement. that is, the logistic function is a proper model to use for a scenario in which you can identity a clear phenomenon which is also influenced by its complement. + +i haven't read your papers too closely, but i wonder if you're simply identifying patterns and that may be what's holding you back. +--- 15358323 +>>15358303 +You grabbed that from a place right next to where there was an actual, obvious mathematical error, and yet you chose to post this instead. +--- 15358329 +>>15358316 +Dropping your gangstalker shit into your comment is going to have adverse consequences for you later on that you will feel are unjust and not proportional. Do you have a family? +--- 15358334 +>>15358329 +yes! are you offering to become a member? my sister is looking for a suitable husband, and i'd love to be your child's uncle. +--- 15358346 +Let me also say this about that IQ test I took. I was in jail and I had been sitting there for weeks when suddenly this doctor showed up. He was interviewing me for a very long time, and the last thing he administered was the sequence memory test. By that time, I was bored and not really paying attention, and I did very poorly on it. In reality, my sequence memory is above average, as can be trivially verified. So, when the doctor wrote, "He tested off the charts and he would be superman if he wasn't retarded at sequence memory," what he actually meant was, "This is superman," because my sequence memory is pretty good. I might not have tested off the chart in that department, or I might have, but certainly my sequence memory is above average. The problem was that I wasn't paying attention when he was saying the numbers he wanted me to repeat. It was a failing of his own analysis that he didn't write into his report that that part of the test came at the end of a *very/ long interview and I may not have been paying attention, which I was not. +--- 15358350 +>>15358334 +No, I was suggesting that if you have a family that you care about, you might be more prudent. I think you may not appreciate that I am the most vindictive man that ever lived or ever will live, and I do not like what you did there at all. +--- 15358359 +Be less foolish, or else. +--- 15358361 +>>15358359 +you'll cook dinner for me? +--- 15358363 +>>15358361 +Then you have chosen death. +--- 15358368 +>>15358304 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo6pZEY32Ag [Embed] +The autistic person has engaged in erratic vocalizations and spamming during a meltdown brought on by sensory overload on 4chan. Immediate intravenous administration of 3mg clonazepam is required to stabilize his behavior. +--- 15358375 +>>15358368 +stfu shit eating schizo +--- 15358379 +A few years ago, some feds were piloting a bunch of slave clones in Antarctica to enact gangstalker antics against me. I guess they thought they'd get away with it since how would I ever know who's piloting which slave clone to torment me? Anyways, they were having a good old time fucking with me and they went to a concert one day, and they all got massacred with machine gun fire from nearby hotel. This was the Las Vegas shooting, and the reason it disappeared from the news immediately was because they could not have any attention called to the fact that the people who got killed were all feds involved in the above-top-secret slave clone drone program in Antarctica. I mention it because I think someone in this thread has the feeling of safety that he will never be revealed as did those drone pilots, and they're all dead now. +--- 15358384 +>>15358316 +>respected +HAHAHAHA holy fucking shit, you arent delusional at all +--- 15358406 +>>15358384 +Notice the expression of loud vocalizations through 'HAHAHA', and 'REEEEE' indicating mental distress in the autistic person. +--- 15358411 +>>15358316 +>don't ever respond to my posts again +>bodhi's posted at least 4 posts in 10 minutes crying +You apparently can't make a very simple connection, calling someone else mentally ill or autistic is quite ironic and duly comical. +--- 15358419 +>>15358406 +btw thinking some stranger "respects" you simply for speaking to you or cares about you "being on their side" is a good sign you are a bit narcissistic to go with your psychosis there friend +--- 15358425 +>>15358411 +3mg of Clonazepam every 6 hours, and daily oral intake of 50mg Risperidone. +--- 15358427 +>>15358425 +--- 15358435 +>>15358427 +Tell me bodhi, did you get too much love from your father as a child? Do you remember the times when he comes home smelling of beer, a hand on your shoulder and a belt in the other? Do you remember? +--- 15358465 +>>15358435 +When was the first time you you decided to consume large amounts of your own feces? Did it come from the toilet? From your own ass? From someone else's ass? Can you remember the fragrance? The flavor of that first taste and the texture of the corn and peanuts? +--- 15358474 +>>15358465 +The Jews forced it upon me during my detainment. +--- 15358480 +>>15350862 (OP) +Brought it on himself. All these people do. I don't know who decided to break the cardinal rule of the internet, but they should be fucking shot. + +Never use your real name. +--- 15358483 +It's called detention, shit cunt. +--- 15358491 +>>15358483 +I'm sorry to know that you had to endure such torture. +--- 15358503 +>>15358491 +I spilled the blood of these years of my life on the altar of the Lord of sacrifice. +--- 15358509 +>>15358497 +But do you remember the taste of the feces you were forced to eat? The texture of the corn and peanuts? +--- 15358515 +>>15358509 +It was always mixed in with other stuff so they could say, "He likes to eat shit," when I didn't understand what I was eating. +--- 15358524 +>>15358515 +Mmmm, but did you remember the smell of it? The pungent, seductive odor of human waste trickling up your nose? The slimy consistency of it? THE PEANUTS. +--- 15358537 +>>15358524 +>>15358509 +>This is no way mimicry +>I am a perfectly sane individual +the schizo always shows his true colors given a little time +--- 15358550 +>>15358542 +Answer the questions about your shit eating memories and I will be happy to engage with you further. I need you to answer the questions first however for posterity so please be honest about scatology. +--- 15358552 +>>15358503 +I too have been punished in my quest for TRUTH. I was with you every step of the way. + +For you it was magnetostatics, for me it was a realization of ancient theology. +--- 15358557 +>>15358550 +This is textbook split-personality syndrome, we should first review your childhood Bodhi - to see where your psyche's at. +--- 15358559 +rofl you deleted your post because you forgot to remove the name field again. You have been busted doing this before and know there is an archive. Do you think you are fooling anyone you fucking schizo? Why would you care? Everyone knows you impersonate me and cult of passion here you fucking nutjob +--- 15358564 +>>15358559 +I am genuinely trying to help you here bodhi, you seem distressed. +--- 15358568 +>>15358564 +not him but you are obviously fucking insane and need to stfu shit eating retard +--- 15358575 +>>15358568 +>shit eating retard +A classic case of coprophiliac projection. +--- 15358577 +>>15358564 +ahhh cute, you found someone who "respects" you again. +--- 15358585 +>>15358568 +ROFLMAO! You have just done yourself in schizo. Pathetic. +--- 15358595 +>>15358537 +Ok shit-eater. +--- 15358603 +>bodhi gets this triggered by being told to stfu by someone he thought he was agreeing with +this is great entertainment +--- 15358612 +>>15358603 +LOL! Yet again the schizo shows his true colors. Having been backed into a corner he can only play pretend. You have already been busted fuckwit. +--- 15358621 +>schizo is having a conversation with himself +--- 15358624 +>>15358621 +cute mirroring. add this to the infographic of how you're a schizo, please. +--- 15358626 +>>15358621 +Seriously, bodhi can you explain to us unenlightened plebs the integral role of phi in the universe? +--- 15358652 +>>15358621 +kys tranny. Shrek was meant for kids you fucking manchild, go circlejerk about it for updoots on reddit. +--- 15358662 +>>15358552 +The Time Travel Interpretation of the Bible +>https://vixra.org/abs/2304.0073 +--- 15358667 +>>15358552 +Creepy...like seeing someone wear a homemade suit to look like yourself... +--- 15358675 +>>15358662 +Jon, you seem to have a lot of spare time to be lurking 4chan like this. Are you working from home? +--- 15358680 +>>15358667 +>split-personality syndrome. +I rest my case namefag. +--- 15358697 +>>15358675 +I'm homeless. +--- 15358700 +>>15358697 +i know you think it's beneath you, but have you tried getting a job? even some menial shit like a stockroom? i have a phd in physics and did some work like that. it was fulfilling. +--- 15358706 +>>15358697 +Damn, what happened? I assuming your using a library computer. +--- 15358709 +>>15358700 +>but have you tried getting a job? +yes +--- 15358726 +>>15358706 +I ran of money and couldn't pay rent, and I've been wandering around homeless for several years since then. Due to reasons that have nothing to do with larceny and/or credit card fraud, I have my own laptop. +--- 15358738 +>>15358726 +https://www.crunchbase.com/person/jonathan-tooker +"Today, Jonathan Tooker is using his experience to support his entrepreneurial dreams. Whether it is using his talents in science and math or sharing his knowledge of his fitness passions, Jonathan is ready for what the world has to offer." +What happened to you Jon? Was it mr.zog? +--- 15358751 +>>15358738 +That was all bullshit and I didn't write any of it. If you mean to ask if it was the jews, then yes. I don't get the zog reference. +--- 15358763 +>>15358751 +>If you mean to ask if it was the jews, then yes. +How so? +--- 15358768 +>>15358763 +I don't believe "how so" is a well formatted response to "it was the jews." +--- 15358772 +>>15358768 +Dude, I was asking you how they ruined your life. +--- 15358785 +>>15351121 +Proof? +--- 15358803 +>>15358621 +You were right about everything bodhi. I am forced to admit it, I do eat my own shit. This is all a desperate cry for help because I am mentally deranged. I lash out and attack you because you keep exposing me because of how easy it is to find me in every thread because I am so fucking insane and retarded. I am sorry for everything. I have to leave now because I have a fat bowl of shit right here to eat for lunch and I want to eat it while it is still warm. God bless you bodhi +--- 15358820 +>>15358768 +Mr. Tooker are you a messenger of the One who sent you? +--- 15358829 +>>15358768 +Lol. +--- 15358831 +>>15358803 +wow bodhi, you learned to write anonymous posts. unfortunately for you, it's easy to identify you as the schizo you are. +--- 15358865 +>>15358831 +It's true though, I'm in love with its aroma, it ignites a primal desire in me, a desire to consume more, its cream-like consistency and texture excites me in a way I simply cannot put into words... fecal mastication has touched me on a spiritual level, I shall not deny it anymore. God bless you bodhi. I thankyou with my deepest sincerities. +--- 15358912 +>>15358865 +Your Potty Award, sir +--- 15358950 +>>15358912 +Thankyou for your recognition, sir. My deepest gratitude. +--- 15359010 +>massive sperg +--- 15359184 +>>15358096 +I think the reason is here; >>15358503. + +Abel, thats you, willing to "cause harm for the Lord's work" (metaphore for outlooks on life and others, human or otherwise). I'm Cain, the one thats not willing to sacrifice others, sacroficing plants instead of an animal, wont spill blood. +>But Cain murders! +Yes, that was pre-flood Cain. His lineage survived by taking half (the woman) onto the boat. Its like it still "re-evolves" but the eugenics game cuts it off. +>Two by two the animals got on the boat but one got on alone. +Odd Cain was blessed with nigh immortality for murder, is it not? + +Probably means you need to learn to turn the other cheek a bit more with the bots like a neighborhood boomer, those jackasses deserve it but they always will, its a bait. + +I need to learn to punch some of these shitbags...even though I want nothing more than for them to learn their transgressions and repent, but they dont know "shame" for "they know not what they do". They bait me with my forgiveness, never ending second chances. + +Thats why Im not on speaking terms with any of my friends or family, I came in peace and love but humans dont...Cain wouldnt sacrifice another to please God. + +Eugenics, the whole world is a breeding program at heart. Even though these names are ancient, and much of their ways never change, parts do with time. + +https://youtu.be/ARrUGH2u_Uo [Embed] +--- 15359211 +>>15358096 +Also this. + +I remember you saying you didnt have a problem with the torturers but did have a problem with the bystanders. +--- 15359222 +>>15359211 +In my research it is the bystanders that are the evil ones. The ones torturing you are like a strong wind against a tree, so strong it sometimes breaks off branches... + +...but a tree grown in strong winds grows a strong trunk, the one that never experiences wind breaks in a storm as an adult. + +>A butterfly surgically removed from its cacoon often dies...because help harmed. +--- 15359234 +>>15358503 +>>15358552 +--- 15359251 +>>15359234 +You should visit a sacred place before you die. diff --git a/sci/15351166.txt b/sci/15351166.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1e3ab96a4980e8ce7dfe221e88a18dba7e55401d --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15351166.txt @@ -0,0 +1,161 @@ +----- +--- 15351166 +What are the chances that after death there's another existence which starts into another universe? +--- 15351170 +>>15351166 (OP) +death looks better than life with any of you +--- 15351904 +>>15351170 +faggot +--- 15352081 +>>15351170 +Don't say that +--- 15352105 +>>15352081 +Every family member and friend I have ever had has grown up to betray, deeply, for the most minor of conveniences. + +>let you drown to keep their cloths dry +Friends and family are for humans, you are human. + +You are will be fine. +--- 15352159 +>>15351166 (OP) +you have these absurd fantasies because you plan to never have children. you're too selfish to ever consider caring for another human, not even your own child. hopefully hell exists and is worse than imaginable +--- 15352162 +>>15351166 (OP) +Where does all the information go that falls into a black hole? +--- 15352164 +>>15352162 +Black holes don't exist. +--- 15352178 +>>15351166 (OP) +this is my favorite movie of all time +--- 15352282 +>>15352159 +I have a genetic autoimmune disease and I'm not a selfish garbage human being to think to have children to pass my disease on. +--- 15352290 +>>15351166 (OP) +the entropy of death is the great eraser that no sentient being can pass through intact +--- 15352292 +>>15351166 (OP) +The chances are greater than you might think. Materialism is not a good argument against the possibility of an afterlife because the scientific method is explicitly designed to exclude conscious experience. +--- 15352556 +>>15351166 (OP) +given our lack of data besides anecdotal, there is nothing we can compute. +--- 15352566 +>>15351166 (OP) +50/50. It either happens or it doesn't My personal hope is we get some sliders to move around or some shit to get some agency into what universe we get shot into after the 1st run or at least some stat sliders. +--- 15352595 +Very high, IMO. +--- 15352635 +>>15351166 (OP) +>What are the chances that after death there's another existence which starts into another universe? +Infinite, if you believe in infinity. Perhaps you have already lived in many of them before this one? +--- 15353274 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_cyclic_cosmology +--- 15354043 +>>15353274 +tldr + +What's the synthesis for a brainlet? +--- 15354410 +>>15352105 +...Do you wanna talk about it? +--- 15354509 +>>15354410 +Nah, probably next week Im going to Thailand to smoke weed on the beach and plan out this long ass trip. + +Gunna go for a looong walk to think about...idk...shit and stuff... +--- 15354548 +>>15354509 +Doxed yourself genius +--- 15354623 +>>15354548 +Catch me mf...I be flyin all up in dem hoods, throwin up the set fr. These Anthropological field research trips be hard as a mf. + +https://youtu.be/IFTVxJtLRLo [Embed] +--- 15354637 +>>15351166 (OP) +none, grow up +--- 15354682 +>>15354637 +>only lives once +--- 15354684 +>>15354637 +Proof? +--- 15354706 +>>15354684 +Me. Die, reborn, die, reborn. Why do you think religions keep talking about next Jesus or Buddha or whatever? + +>proof +For thousands of years it keeps happening, THATS the proof. Whether or not you believe is irrelevent, nornies are stupid.... +--- 15354774 +>>15354706 +Proper proportion and magnitutde of each variable, yields... + +What seems counter logical noe is onpy so because its final form is yet revealed and fully understood. +--- 15355267 +>>15353274 +>>15354043 +CCC people think of a perfectly repeating universe as some possible afterlife mechanism. If anything, CCC throws into question our conception of time as a function of entropy. If I can say this configuration existed before some entropic reset, and will again, then I now have a new "dimension" of time; U1, U2.... , so now there's some larger set that includes the entropic rebounding. Just being able to reference a prior incarnation and a later one btfos the whole "the forward arrow of time is entropy" argument. + +Doesn't help with the OP but its something to consider. +--- 15355292 +>>15354774 +I like this other one with gamma in it. +--- 15356312 +>>15352162 +Radiation +--- 15356324 +>>15351166 (OP) +Extremely high and demonstrably so since NDEs are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. + +>b-b-but NDEs are dreams or hallucinations somehow!!!!!!1! +Already explicitly refuted in the literature on NDEs pseudoskeptics never actually read. + +Here is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real: + +https://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed] + +It emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out: + +https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist + +>"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, "An afterlife definitely exists"." + +Since NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison. + +Or as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE: + +>"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved." + +Needless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs. +--- 15357825 +>>15355267 +>>15354043 +I like Sir Roger Penrose. +--- 15357847 +>>15355292 +Can you explain what it is and its relation to the rest. I struggle to read this type of hieroglyphs. +--- 15357866 +>>15352159 +>you have these absurd fantasies because you plan to never have children. you're too selfish to ever consider caring for another human, not even your own child. hopefully hell exists and is worse than imaginable +--- 15357893 +>>15357866 +Sorry, but it has been proven that you fantasyfags don’t have souls. AI is best at generating art and imaginative stories and scenarios. You are literally more of a bot then manual wagies who pick up heavy items and move them around. +--- 15357901 +>>15357893 +>more of a bot then manual wagies who pick up heavy items and move them around +Excuse you. +--- 15357992 +>>15357847 +Ah, Photon, kk. +--- 15358253 +>>15357901 +Yeah, on that gif the bot still is fucking it up, meanwhile ChatGPT can produce superior stories to any of you ultrafaggots. The fact that we figured out creativity in machines by just on accident making them sometimes lie on random topics or misremember is to me enough proof that all creative fields were not literal drooling retards, all the famous literary people that wrote fiction, all retards, every single one of them. +--- 15358478 +>>15352282 +Gene Editing solves that problem. +--- 15359805 +>>15358478 +I have no money and I live in a semi third world shit hole. diff --git a/sci/15351406.txt b/sci/15351406.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a3ee8429552727f283086edb2422875d8edffabc --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15351406.txt @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +----- +--- 15351406 +>Carry a full cup of tea at a mild jog up a flight of stairs and never spill a drop +>Carry a full cup of tea from the table to my mouth in daylight and I spill half of it +Care to explain this? +--- 15351408 +>Carry a full cup of tea at a mild jog up a flight of stairs *with the lights out and never spill a drop +--- 15352418 +>>15351406 (OP) +dead internet theory +--- 15352461 +your footsteps go out of synch when you observe and try to walk carefully +--- 15355243 +skill issue +--- 15357852 +It's all psychological diff --git a/sci/15351786.txt b/sci/15351786.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4cbac5353d686cbc4d9d669410043909dc5d02a9 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15351786.txt @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +----- +--- 15351786 +This midwit mountain meme goes out to all of the repulsive lazy delusional pencil neck nerds who erroneously presume that they can substitute larping as an intellectual for putting in the time and effort needed to develop a powerful masculine physique. +--- 15351792 +>>15351786 (OP) +Sexist image but contains truth +--- 15351845 +>>15351786 (OP) +>compared to truth and goodness +Other paths exist. + Back to /fit/ +--- 15352123 +>>15351786 (OP) +Old Roger Scrotum also says +>Coming close to death you begin to know what life means, and what it means is gratitude +Kind of on the opposite end of vanity there. Though it sounds like he just says any old shit that pops into his scrotum shaped head +https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2020/01/13/10-quotes-sir-roger-scruton +--- 15352216 +>>15352123 +>pencil neck sissy attempts to mock someone else's physical appearance +--- 15352226 +>>15351792 +Truth is sexist so it always will contain it. +--- 15352256 +>>15351786 (OP) +>time and effort +No amount of time and effort will make a manlet, facelet, wristlet and voicelet attractive. It's 100% genetics. +--- 15352259 +>>15352123 +Scruton risked his life as a book smuggler, what have you done with your life? +--- 15352260 +>>15352256 +>facelet +no, you're ignoring diet and developmental issues from things like baby dummies destroying the dental structure +--- 15352270 +>>15352216 +>needle neck nigger also doing the thing +>>15352259 +I believe that's a logical fallacy. You can criticize me but I will still criticize him +--- 15352327 +>>15352260 +I always had good diet and perfectly healthy teeth but my face is the epitome of an ugly beta nerd. +--- 15353535 +>>15352256 +just an excuse for your lazy lackadaisical leisurely limp wristed lifestyle +--- 15354652 +>>15351792 +tits or gtfo +--- 15354727 +It is true that it's human nature to chase that which we consider "beautiful", be it a person, place, field of expertise, action. But it's stupid to say that is "logical" in any way, it's simply our feelings and desires influencing our actions. +--- 15354747 +>>15351786 (OP) +fkn saved +--- 15354754 +>>15352256 +>muh fictional jewish movie says it so that means my nihillism is justified +--- 15354764 +>>15354727 +>it's stupid to say that is "logical" in any way +Proper proportion and magnitude would yield the greatest efficiency and ability, even is a system of equations, and if then pushed to it irreducible limits, would yield fundemental reality unchanging for eternity. + +It would be illogical to choose anything else. +--- 15354776 +>>15354764 +erp +>>15354774 → +--- 15356672 +Imagine calling yourself a scientist and then presuming that its a good idea to by physically unhealthy. +--- 15357325 +>>15356672 +>i'm too smart to need to take care of my body +>i can't figure out why women aren't attracted to me +low iq +also physically weak +--- 15357338 +>>15351792 +>Sexist +And It's A Good Thing +--- 15358729 +>>15354754 +Science people all presume that they're intelligent and boast about it loudly, but inability to differentiate between on screen fiction and IRL is a feature of a 80-110 IQ brain. They're incapable of watching a movie and spotting the logical flaws and plot holes. +--- 15358747 +>>15356672 +going to the gym takes up precious time that could be spent doing something important. if somebody is ripped, and they aren't making money from it, it means they have too much time on their hands. +--- 15359001 +>>15351786 (OP) +True and real. +--- 15359005 +>>15352256 +Nah, 99% of women are hardcoded to be fuck toys, to be used for fun and breeding. As long as you have enough power those bitches will bend over. +--- 15359258 +>>15358747 +You will always be able to invent an excuse for your laziness +>b-b-but i'm too busy +>however i have plenty of time to spare for social media like 4chan +transparent lie, you're just lazy diff --git a/sci/15351854.txt b/sci/15351854.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d05a2a7224e202af9e0d86054265e3c52fc16b90 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15351854.txt @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +----- +--- 15351854 +Since lipid makes up the plasma membrane, then would fat people's plasma membranes be stronger and more secure? +--- 15351863 +No, you would still have the same amount of lipid’s in each cell’s membrane otherwise it would be bigger. The extra carbohydrates, fat isn’t stored as lipids btw, are stored in specialized cells just for them. +--- 15351875 +>>15351854 (OP) +yes, everything about larger people is stronger, thats why they make manlets chimp out. +fear begets loathing +the big guy could snap the manlets in half like a twig, i wish he would, they deserve it for lazily choosing to live as sissies +--- 15351883 +>>15351863 +Oh. Lolz +--- 15351886 +>>15351854 (OP) +The plasma membrane of a cell is not directly related to the overall body fat of a person. The plasma membrane, also called the cell membrane, is a lipid bilayer made up of phospholipids, proteins, and other molecules. Its primary function is to provide a barrier and maintain the proper internal environment for the cell while selectively allowing specific molecules to pass through. +An individual's body fat is primarily stored in adipose tissue, which is composed of specialized cells called adipocytes. These cells are designed to store and release energy in the form of triglycerides. However, the composition and structure of the plasma membrane of these adipocytes or any other cell in the body are not directly affected by the amount of body fat an individual has. +In summary, having more body fat does not make a person's plasma membranes stronger or more secure. The composition of the plasma membrane is consistent across individuals, regardless of their body fat percentage. +--- 15351899 +>>15351886 +That makes more sense. +--- 15355201 +lose some weight +--- 15357832 +No just stretchier diff --git a/sci/15352280.txt b/sci/15352280.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6df8df2fcb9e98cd3b0b661d7ae804480486a4e8 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15352280.txt @@ -0,0 +1,112 @@ +----- +--- 15352280 +Why do East Asian men experience less hair loss compared to men of other races? +--- 15352384 +>>15352280 (OP) +rack of testelone +--- 15352387 +>>15352384 +Testosterone doesn't cause hair loss pol chud +--- 15352388 +>>15352387 +How would you know? +--- 15352494 +>>15352280 (OP) +you might notice that their hair is quite coarse and thick. This is genetic of course, but like some families are predisposed to hair loss, they are not because of this coarse and thick hair. It is often the case that they can't shape their hair so much either, since it is so coarse. Different genes. +--- 15352553 +>>15352280 (OP) +the name of the east asian legume that causes low t isn't allowed on 4chan, its censored in order to prevent us from discussing it +--- 15352597 +>>15352553 +>its censored +>its based +>because we live in a based city +>with based boys +>and based dentists +--- 15352624 +>>15352280 (OP) +>Why do East Asian men experience less hair loss compared to men of other races? +Much less testosterone to convert into DHT. +That's why they are mostly tiny, smooth, and stringy and look like 10 year old boys. +Makes for feminine women though, especially Japanese. Chinese women are too squat and round. +--- 15353054 +>>15352387 +Highly elevated levels of DHT doesn't cause hair loss? You get your endocrinology info from snapple facts or something? +--- 15353065 +>>15353054 +yes so dht. not testosterone exactly. if youre sensitive to dht you will bald +--- 15353068 +>>15352280 (OP) +--- 15353089 +>>15352280 (OP) +Stress. East Asian workplaces are fucking horrible, not to mention the shit you're going to get at home if you're married. +Everyone I know who has a dysfunctional marriage is balding or is bald. +--- 15353127 +>>15353065 +>dihydrotestosterone +>dihydroTESTOSTERONE +>not testosterone exactly +--- 15353129 +DHT grows the penis when exposed in utero and also is responsible for beard growth. that's why asians have full hair, baby dicks and no beards + +/thread +--- 15353186 +>>15353127 +wow brilliant. are you really trying this shtick on the science and math board? +--- 15353199 +>>15353186 +Calm down low T Asian femboy. +--- 15353204 +>>15353199 +oh now im asian. whatx next? +--- 15353226 +>>15353204 +>t. +--- 15353248 +>>15353204 +next, put on these stockings +--- 15353294 +>>15353065 +>yes so dht. not testosterone exactly. +DHT is made from testosterone. +More testosterone = more DHT. +That's why the old saying "Bald men are more virile" and tend to be more muscular is true. +--- 15353303 +>>15353294 +Only problem is that Vin Diesel is extremely stupid. +I have some nostalgia for the movies he is in but the guy is a massive retard. +--- 15353799 +>>15353303 +Who asked +>>15352387 +Google allopecy and DHT you retarded nigger and then kys. +--- 15353967 +>>15353054 +>>15353799 +>Everyone has the exact same distribution of DHT receptors on their scalp +Kek +--- 15355623 +>>15353967 +>>Everyone has the exact same distribution +Who said that ? Strawman. +--- 15355697 +Neoteny. This fact makes a lot of men uncomfortable because they put a lot of their identity into their manliness which is often ugliness. +--- 15355730 +>>15352280 (OP) +have you never heard of the fat bald bastard tripe? All Japanese men's lives end in baldness which gives them power to rape with imputiny +--- 15355986 +>>15355623 +The thread is about hair loss. Testosterone was brought up but DHT is irrelevant without the proper receptors on the hair follicles that will make them fall out. Women experience female pattern baldness too so it obviously isn't about DHT concentrations since DHT is omnipresent but DHT follicle receptors aren't. +--- 15358336 +>>15352597 +soi.onions.5oy.onions.soibean.basedbean.5oybean.yos.yosbean.lio naebyos. so i y. soiy. s o y. s o i. +--- 15358345 +>>15358336 +>soi +>ios +--- 15358571 +western chuds should check their food. +>started balding when I came to America. +>went back to my country for a couple of months +hair grow again. +why do fucking greedy cunts in western countries put so much chemicals in their shitty food? they're not even tasty. diff --git a/sci/15352284.txt b/sci/15352284.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f45f428f0a21df76c875829ca84f8d1e096c44c1 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15352284.txt @@ -0,0 +1,236 @@ +----- +--- 15352284 +So if the universe is infinite in size and roughly uniform in all directions, wouldn't that mean that if I travelled in any direction, the earth would just repeat itself an infinite number of times? + +What am I missing???? (I made this post an infinite number of times already) +--- 15352294 +If the universe is infinite then there is a chance there is a second earth with humans. But, consider how small this chance is, it has to exist, the chance is just very small and the probability to find this earth is about as zero as the amount of women you fucked as well as high as the amount of cocks you sucked +--- 15352313 +>>15352294 + +non zero multiplied with infinity equals infinity retard +--- 15352369 +>>15352284 (OP) +Rare deep water nigger +--- 15352373 +>>15352284 (OP) +I mean technically yeah. It's not though and you would have to travel across an absurdly large amount of space to find just one other Earth +--- 15352715 +>>15352284 (OP) +Yes. You can calculate it as well: just take the volume of the observable universe as well as every "pixel" (I would use "atom", but it would confuse a 90 IQ reader) of it, which may be equal to the planck scale, and calculate the number of permutations. After a certain distance, there cannot be any new permutations, i.e. one (the one you are interested in) repeats. It turns out the distance to identical observable volume is like 10^120 meters away. +Naturally, the next identical Earth is ridiculously closer. +--- 15352733 +But that would be silly. There should be a scientific principle which we can use to dismiss theories based on the silliness of their implications. First we need a scientific way to measure silliness though. +--- 15352794 +>>15352733 + +you just say that because you can't grasp what infinity means +--- 15352891 +>>15352715 +do you mean that in an infinite universe, after some distance the content within the universe must repeat ? Why would it repeat ? +--- 15352922 +>>15352891 +>content within the universe +Within the observable universe. +It's the bubble of observable stuff centered on the Earth. Outside the bubble there is more universe. +>Why would it repeat ? +Because in a finite volume, there is only a limited number of arrangements (permutations) of stuff. +This is equivalent to the statement that in a finite volume, there can not be an infinite way how stuff can be arranged. This should be very logically obvious and intuitive. +--- 15353645 +>>15352922 +The question was about an infinite volume though not a finite volume. There could also be infinite undiscovered types of particles in which case nothing would repeat +--- 15353652 +>>15352284 (OP) +>if the universe is infinite in size +it isn't +--- 15353691 +>>15353645 +>The question was about an infinite volume though not a finite volume +Are you fucking stupid? Can you really not parse my post? Yes -- I talk about finite volumes as distributed over infinite space -- you know what, I give up. Try to read both my posts again, with 20 or 30 IQ points more if it helps you. + +Everyone else, how do I explain this to someone so phenomenally stupid? +--- 15353697 +>>15352284 (OP) +Humans can't comprehend infinities, so don't bother +--- 15353716 +>>15353691 +Nothing you've said so far makes any sense +--- 15353744 +>>15353708 +>you have poor communication skills because you're low iq +>No U +Get a brain. Get creative. +>you also have low emotional self control +Do you always give people unsolicited advice? What exactly is going through your brain when you are doing that? Do you think you offer interesting or even helpful insights? Do you such a statement serves as "banter"? +>and your sci-fi space fantasies are cringe +In case you are the astute reader, I did not make the thread. I just confirmed to the OP it's mathematically likely. +>>15353716 +I pity you. Truly. +--- 15353772 +>>15352284 (OP) +The universe would be infinite because you would be the one expanding it. You're not necessarily going to find anything. +--- 15354134 +>>15352922 +Just because there's a finite number of permutations doesn't mean that all of them occur multiple times (or even once). Retard +--- 15354150 +>>15354134 +Sure, there infinitely small chance that it does not repeat. +But the chance that it does repeat is infinitely close to 100%, so... +--- 15354175 +Yes, but you will need to travel for an infinite amount of time before you reach it. So bring a book to read. +--- 15354337 +>>15354175 +That was a silly joke but it made me chuckle. +--- 15354371 +>>15352284 (OP) +"Roughly uniform" isn't really a rigorous definition so the question as you've posed it isn't possible to answer. If by roughly uniform you mean that every combination of atoms has an equal probability of occurring, then the answer to your question is yes, but that is almost certainly not what you mean. Ultimately it comes down to whether the probability of an identical Earth existing in any arbitrary region of the universe is positive. If it is, then the answer to your question is yes, assuming of course that your assumption about the universe being infinite also holds true. + +By the way, this question reminds me of the concept of normal numbers. +--- 15354425 +>>15352284 (OP) +All evidence points towards the universe having a finite amount of matter in it. (Otherwise, among other things, there'd be no space between the matter, nor lack of uniformity in the CMB, nor would acceleration of expansion outstrip gravity.) + +But if there were an infinite amount of matter you wouldn't have any Earths to repeat, just a singularity. +--- 15354504 +>>15354425 + +I believe all those things are explained by dark matter... +--- 15354544 +>>15354504 +Dark matter is nonbaryonic matter that ADDS more gravity to the mix, it doesn't subtract from it. You maybe thinking of dark energy, but that arises from a vacuum state you simply don't have with infinite matter. +--- 15354665 +how can there be finite matter in an infinite universe if the big bang happened everywhere at the same time? +--- 15354686 +>>15352284 (OP) +Well that's because the universe is finite, not infinite and a majority of "science" especially when it comes to nonsense like astrophysics and quantum physics is quite literally just science fiction larp that has no basis on how people's day to day lives function. In other words, you got swindled. +--- 15354696 +I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE WHOLE UNIVERSE!! +MY IQ IS SO BIG OMG!!! +NO, I AM NOT A MENTAL CASE WITH SEVERE DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR, I REALLY DO KNOW EVERYTHING +I'M LIKE GOD, TRUST ME +BUT ALSO I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, WHAT A STUPID STORY RIGHT!?!? +NOBODY COULD EVER BE SMARTER THAN ME +--- 15354725 +>>15352284 (OP) +>What am I missing???? +The number of elements to this earth is also infinite, so the answer is no. For one, the sky will be always different, and sky does influence the earth. But if you lower your expectations, and recognize any planet with similar gravity and similar concentrations in the atmosphere, and similar radiation level, then the answer is yes, earth-like planets are not that rare. +--- 15354781 +>>15354725 + +no , I'm talking equal down to each quantum state +--- 15354786 +>>15354725 +Dumbest post ITT. Incredible. +--- 15354859 +>>15353691 +Everything you said is fine man +--- 15354874 +>>15354781 +infinite monkeys +--- 15354878 +>>15352715 +This is seriously flawed logic. From your logic of a finite number of permutations, it does follow from the pigeonhole principle that at least one such permutation must repeat itself in an infinite space. It does NOT follow that every possible permutation repeats. For example, it could be that outside the bounds of the observable universe there is nothing but emptiness, no matter at all. + +By the way we're both using the word permutation wrong but who cares. +--- 15355100 +>>15354878 + +>bounds of the observable universe there is nothing but emptiness, + +but an observer 80 billion light years away would have their own observable universe as big as ours +--- 15355177 +>>15354696 +lol +spacefags are the cringiest of all the cringe in science, even lower than mathtrannys +--- 15355520 +>>15354781 +Then I doubt there's another earth out there, even in the infinite space, because the infinite complexity of this world is an infinity of a larger order than the infinity of the unlimited space. +--- 15355527 +>>15354878 +It's very counterintuitive so I understand your frustration. It's not that the possibility -- somehow independent of the following considerations -- is 1, it's that the limit of it approaches 1, as we have an infinite series of such finite volumes. The hard part to accept is that this is mathematically equal to 1. +>>15354134 +Yes, this is correct. It's not, inherently, bound to happen. But you also need a reason to reject the claim that it can not happen. Or in other words, you need to come up with an explanation why it (repetition) shouldn't happen. For example, one such explanation would be that "event A" happens when our observable universe is perfectly mirrored, so that it collapses into a black hole. You need something like that. +Besides, we are not even interested in all *possible* permutations, but only one -- and as it happens, this one permutation is absolutely physically viable. If anything, the likelihood that our volume of space repeats at least once (= i.e. infinitely) is *higher* than any possible random arrangement of matter or at least galaxies and stars. +--- 15355754 +>>15355520 + +the arrangement of atoms of earth is not infinitely complex... +--- 15355770 +infinity is a dumb concept, by it's nature it appeals strongly to those with delusions of grandiosity and nobody else +--- 15355777 +>>15355754 +It is infinitely complex, because the exact position of each atom can have infinite ammount of position, if you demand the ABSOLUTE exactness. Also don't forget the radiation from the space, of which each point inn the universe has different picture. +--- 15355780 +>>15355770 +the concept of infinity scares the midwits +--- 15355787 +>>15355777 +>retard doesn't understand degrees of freedom +--- 15355792 +>>15355787 +>retard doesn't understand the absolutes +--- 15355794 +>>15355792 +>retard still posting +Consneed and I will spare you +--- 15355803 +navel gazing thread for pretentious know-it-alls who mysteriously know everything about the universe but can't see to make anything of themselves here on earth. +--- 15356678 +>>15354665 +The say it did because space didn't exist at the same time with the energy. The bang in big bang was space being created for the energy to cool down into the particles we see today. It touched everywhere because every where was pretty close at the time. +--- 15356822 +>>15352284 (OP) +Yes, if the universe is infinite, there are infinite replicas of earths with identical species, even identical histories. The chances of that happening right next to us is in the realms of 10^10^10… But as long as there is a chance of that happening, it probably happens, or will happen, or did happen somewhere in the endless universe. +--- 15356826 +>>15355527 +>It's very counterintuitive so I understand your frustration. It's not that the possibility -- somehow independent of the following considerations -- is 1, it's that the limit of it approaches 1, as we have an infinite series of such finite volumes. The hard part to accept is that this is mathematically equal to 1. +Wow, you have an extremely condescending style despite the fact that you are also an idiot. + +I'm not going to give you a detailed response because you don't deserve it. All I will say is this: "if something is infinite it must include every possibility" is every midwit's favourite misunderstanding of infinity. The simple counterargument is this: there are infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but it doesn't include the number 3. If there is infinite space in the universe, that doesn't mean every possible combination of atoms is contained therein. +--- 15356832 +>>15355100 +Impossible to know for sure. We can not make any statements about things we can not observe or measure. What exists outside the observable universe is unknown. +--- 15356837 +>>15356782 +You should have at least one argument. This is eminently doable. Insults just make you sound like a screeching schizo. + +You can start by trying to disprove my claim (which is part of a rather elementary undergrad and even high school math curriculum) that an infinite series approaching a limit of 1, is mathematically equal to 1. Of course, as we have defined 1 to be the probability that it repeats. + +You can use this article as the starting off point for your middle-school transcending math education: +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_(mathematics) + +I see in the meantime, you have tried to substantiate your claim, with you likely about to shamefully delete your original merely insults-containing post. + +>>15356816 +>I'm not going to give you a detailed response because you don't deserve it. +Why do you sound as if I personally hurt you? Don't come on 4chan and let your frustration out on me just because your blue-collar job has made you frustrated, +>All I will say is this: "if something is infinite it must include every possibility" is every midwit's favourite misunderstanding of infinity. The simple counterargument is this: there are infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but it doesn't include the number 3. If there is infinite space in the universe, that doesn't mean every possible combination of atoms is contained therein. +This is an analogy, and an unfitting one. As said in my post here >>15355527 +>>15355527, you need to provide a reason why it can't repeat. Do you understand what my point is that in a finite volume (such as the observable volume), there can only be a limited number of arrangements of particles? As such, every further such volume increases the chance that a copy occurs. This just follows from basic induction. The number of further such chances is infinite. + +Anyway, maybe you are more receptive to a pop, dumbed down treatment of this matter: https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/PDF/multiverse_sciam.pdf +--- 15356841 +>>15356837 +Fuck, I was hoping nobody would notice I deleted and rewrote my post twice :( +--- 15356901 +>>15356837 +Yeah I skimread this entire post and you're a complete idiot, probably no educational background in mathematics or logic whatsoever. Despite this you are convinced you are a genius and that you must talk down to everyone else on /sci/. I have a degree in mathematics so I actually understand the concept of infinity, there's no point trying to have a debate with you when you're essentially a child compared to me. +--- 15357473 +>>15356901 +>Despite this you are convinced you are a genius +This is the embarrassing part: I don't. I just find my IQ delightfully high-but-unremarkable (mid 130s). The thing is, you may have read the papers that suggest that people with 30 IQ difference essentially find no common ground in discourse anymore. Well, this is precisely what is happening here. +>I have a degree in mathematics +No you have not. +>so I actually understand the concept of infinity +Your one example where you tried to elaborate your conception of it, you floundered and embarrassed yourself by picking an ill-advised invalid example. And let me restate that this still was your one angle of attack. We still have no idea what your precise issue or argument. You are acting not quite unlike a chimp shitting himself in his plexiglass enclosure and flinging his shit everywhere, but refuses to elaborate. How about the pop PDF I linked that contains the explanation? Was it still above your level? +Have you taken an Algorithms and Probability course in your fictitious math education? +--- 15357802 +>>15357473 +Okay, I see now that you're an ESL. Probably a pajeet which would explain a lot about your attitude. +--- 15357827 +>>15357473 +My first reply to you was in good faith, I politely explained the flaw in your logic. You chose to: +1. reply like a condescending asshole +2. ignore everything I wrote in my post, most likely because you weren't able to understand it + +You started the discussion by assuming that you're right and anyone who disagrees with you simply doesn't understand what you're saying. That doesn't make for a conductive debate, and I'm not going to bother trying to explain it in a different way because you still won't understand. Read this post >>15354878 carefully (as carefully as is possible for an ESL like you) and try to figure out what I'm saying. Hopefully you'll figure it out eventually. diff --git a/sci/15352301.txt b/sci/15352301.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4a9cb6fc2a9d12d098f1cb080c05834984d0463f --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15352301.txt @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +----- +--- 15352301 +Are medical errors really that common? + +I've been looking at some statistics and the number of people who die from medical error is higher than I thought and I wanted to know if that's really the case. +--- 15352364 +This is the old number on medical errors, the 3rd leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer. After factoring the deaths caused by "Covid-19" treatment and vaccines, medical error will probably rocket into first place. +Of course its not an error when a doctor kills a patient treating a nonexistent viral epidemic, thats murder. At the turn of the century, medical error wasn't even in the top 10, thats how rapidly the medical community deteriorated from being an asset to society into being one of the worst problems. +--- 15352524 +>>15352301 (OP) +Yes, and it is only getting worse. Real medical care is a highly personalized endeavor, requiring sharp, quick, and flexible thinking to identify patient problems and determine the best treatment options. Unfortunately, our system is designed to be the opposite, a very rigid set of practices created by health organizations and governing bodies that only work if you have a very common issue. Doctors are trained to be guideline parroting monkeys, and many of them aren't smart enough to offer any more than that anyway. Enter the medical system with any rare and serious medical condition, and you will find all this out firsthand. These days, medical schools are explicitly reducing educational standards even further to protect "muh diversity," so we have nowhere to go but down. + +And that is without even getting into the hundreds of billions of dollars pharmaceutical companies spend lobbying regulators and developing med school curricula to influence all these established practices. + +The good news is that GPT-5 will almost certainly be better at medical diagnosis than 97% of doctors. Then we will only have to rely on them for surgeries. +--- 15352781 +>>15352301 (OP) +Doctors shouldn't be expected to not kill the patient. A few deaths per week per doctor is totally normal. Should builders be expected to build a building that doesn't fall down? I see buildings falling down every day. Being a doctor is way harder too because all the parts of the body have funny names that are hard to remember and the body parts are small and buildings are less small. If a doctor isn't sure about performing a procedure then they should just perform it anyway so they get the money, that way everyone is happy +--- 15352787 +That wouldn't have happened if you'd been treating other people the way you'd like to be treated. When you rejected the law of the Lord, it wasn't an accident. You knowingly chose Satanism. +--- 15352789 +>>15352301 (OP) +>Are medical errors really that common? +The #1 cause of death in hospitals is medical errors, causing an average of 750,000 deaths a year in the USA alone. + +Funny how in recent years the medical establishment has been trying to downplay that fact and lying about deaths now, reporting the number is as low as 300,000 deaths a year due to medical errors. + +NEVER trust the medical complex. +--- 15352812 +>>15352301 (OP) +not only are they erros, but sometimes they're outright malignant to the patient in order to sell their brand new ULTRAEFFECTIVE medicine TM. + +I'm not even talking about the covid 19 vaccine as its a devisie topic, but Im talking about all the possible treatments for say cancer or diabetes. + +a lot of doctors, not all of them, but some morally questionable ones definitely recommend the most expensive or the brand that sponsored him with a couple of donations last year. + +i don't live in the us and its a problem here too, I can only imagine it's worse in the us of a with all those expensive health insurances. Though eu drones aren't doing too good either, the medicine costs the same probably it's just that the state foots the bill most of the time, so in the end the consumer/contributor/citizen gets ripped off by pharma one way or the other +--- 15352818 +>>15352789 +Yes but think about the doctors. There has been cases where the doctor will accidentally kill a patient because they didn't know what to do and it was embarrassing to tell anyone so they performed the procedure anyway. And then the doctor might be paid over a month late for their service causing them to miss a payment installment on their 3rd BMW. Did you think of that? +--- 15352819 +>>15352301 (OP) +It's self reported by medical professionals, isn't it? The real numbers are undoubtedly an order of magnitude higher. +--- 15352825 +>>15352819 +yeah we get it youre a retarded trumptard +--- 15352833 +>>15352301 (OP) +Look at other technical, complex fields that involve complex systems and troubleshooting. + +Mechanics and vehicles +IT and computers +Doctors and patients + +Fuckups are found across the board that destroy the object or person in question. + +Sometimes it just be that way. +>Run diagnostics on hard drive +>The drive dies because of running the diagnostic + +>Change something car to fix issue +>Car dies + +>Change something in patient +>Patient died + +Shit happens. IQ and aptitude don't magically make things fuckups free. +--- 15352838 +People are forgetting about the nurses. They should also take most of the blame. Doctors should really be rude to their nurses to put them in the right state of mind at work. I've seen studies where nurses perform better when they know the doctor is a better person than they are +--- 15352839 +>>15352825 +flak, over the target, etc +--- 15352881 +>>15352819 +>It's self reported by medical professionals, isn't it? The real numbers are undoubtedly an order of magnitude higher. +Of course they are. Numbers are always fudged to give an advantage by the bean counters. +--- 15352888 +>>15352818 +>the doctor will accidentally kill a patient because they didn't know what to do and it was embarrassing to tell anyone so they performed the procedure anyway. +Then they keep billing the family of the deceased for their medical bills. + +Imagine a mechanic fucking up your vehicle, returning it to you in pieces and unusable, then demanding payment for their services. + +No other profession gets away with this shit except the medical profession. People have to stop putting up with their shit and scams. Insurance too. And of course it all goes back to government politicians in the end. +--- 15353526 +most people die in hospitals +never go there & you'll be much, much safer +--- 15354141 +>>15352833 +>Look at other technical, complex fields that involve complex systems and troubleshooting. +None of the have the same tolerance and impunity for easily preventable error. +/sci/ is weird, I feel like people shill something with strategically dumb arguments to promote the opposite +--- 15354180 +>>15352301 (OP) +>Are medical errors really that common? +What was different in my case wasn't that they were wrong about. The different thing was that they couldn't kill me to hide what they did. +--- 15355553 +>>15354180 +What happened, anon? +--- 15357855 +>>15352301 (OP) +incompetence +--- 15357896 +>>15352781 +builders are more reliable +--- 15357939 +>>15352301 (OP) +Yes and no, yes they are common and perhaps more importantly too common but also consider that as medical technology improves more people will inevitably survive everything except medical errors. +--- 15357942 +>>15352781 +>I see buildings fall down every day +--- 15357976 +>>15357855 +yeah, but that was about getting caught, not being wrong diff --git a/sci/15352377.txt b/sci/15352377.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4c0f87b8448c1418819524ff34ba057007f1c0b3 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15352377.txt @@ -0,0 +1,184 @@ +----- +--- 15352377 +is this actually a successful evolutionary strategy? +--- 15352378 +No it's called destroying the white males that pose a threat to totalitarian power grabs +--- 15352379 +>>15352377 (OP) +What do you mean by "evolutionary strategy" ? +--- 15352383 +>>15352379 +Look more closely +>lesbian +--- 15352400 +>>15352377 (OP) +Man, JaneDoe ain't even trying. At least Ashley and Aubrey threw on a cute top and did their hair. Hard to imagine this works. Would love to see the data on this. +--- 15352404 +I had a girlfriend who was convinced I'm bisexual. She was talking to her friend (a she) and they were both enjoying the thought of being with bisexuals. +Crazy bitches. +--- 15352504 +>>15352377 (OP) +Yes. Mental illness gene carrying subhumans are culling themselves. Problem is when they groom children. +--- 15352512 +>>15352415 +oh look, its another narcissistic personality disorder spamming their jack off material on a blue board +>the rules don't apply to me +>i'm a super special snowflake +how did super special snowflakes get to be so common? +--- 15352513 +>>15352504 +>culling themselves +Anon... what happens when two lesbians have sex and the penis releases semen into the vagina? +--- 15352636 +>>15352377 (OP) +Those think they "hacked" the system by pretending to be a lesbian woman with a cock, which should allow them to get easy access to actual women +--- 15352665 +>>15352377 (OP) +Yes + +For over a century, all semblance of natural selection has been turned off as industrial agriculture and medicine give all but the most deformed genetic freaks a fair chance of survival and reproduction + +This was, for a time, beneficial as the general rule held that more people = more labor = more wealth for society + +However, this is no longer the case in late-stage capitalism where tech capital dominates labor productivity, scarce resources limit economic growth, and the majority of humans simply aren't needed + +By introducing additional societal pressures, such as convincing the weak-minded and genetically unfit to castrate or sterilize themselves, some semblance of artificial selection has been reintroduced to the evolutionary process + +Within a century or two, there will still be a large underclass of low-IQ laborers and religious nuts but they will be ruled over by a class of elite genetically and mentally fit warrior kings +--- 15352682 +All of the narcissistic behaviour we see in the modern world, regardless of what political side it takes, Qanon or wacky hair dye, is a bunch of coping methods for a different problem. +--- 15352753 +>>15352513 +Troons are pushed to chop chop their weewees. The ones who don't, have low quality semen and are so mentally ill they will never be able to pass replacement rate even if you ignore their suicide rates. +--- 15352754 +>>15352377 (OP) +I don't understand the question. + +Although those people look weird they should be allowed to do what they want to themself. It's like 1% of people or something so it's not a big deal +--- 15352758 +>>15352753 +>Troons are pushed to chop +Are they though? +--- 15352782 +>>15352378 +>No it's called destroying the white males that pose a threat to totalitarian power grabs +Faggots/Troons pose no threat to anyone other than the sleeping bum with his ass in the air. They are all wimps. What are they going to do to totalitarian despots, scratch them? +--- 15352796 +>>15352782 +>Faggots/Troons pose no threat to anyone other than the sleeping bum with his ass in the air. +That's the point. That's why they want you turned into a Troon +--- 15352853 +Over time humans should evolve to be bullet proof and able to breath poison on a regular basis. Meh. +--- 15352871 +>>15352782 +I want you to imagine what the world would look like if all of the energy devoted to trannyshit and other degeneracy was redirected into actually useful ends. +And I mean useful for people not criminals and government. +--- 15352876 +>>15352871 +>want you to imagine what the world would look like if all of the energy devoted to trannyshit and other degeneracy was redirected into actually useful ends. +>And I mean useful for people not criminals and government. +That's true. But as degenerate and distasteful as faggots and troons are, they are not the threat. You said it youself in your post. +It's the governments, and the fraudulent criminals in the governments, that are fucking everyone. +--- 15353002 +>>15352876 +anon, they created the troon problem to prevent that +--- 15353018 +>>15352876 +>they are not the threat. +every last one of them is a pedo, they are all mentally ill, toxic human garbage. thats why faggotry is banned in all traditional societies +>It's the governments, and the fraudulent criminals in the governments, that are fucking everyone. +faggots and trannies are massively overrepresented amongst government types. kevin mccarthy is a barely in the closet faggot, just like dennis hastert was. paul ryan is a butt pirate too. nancy pelosi's husband is a faggot also. obama is gay, his wife has a dick +--- 15353140 +>>15352377 (OP) +>top middle one +I'M THE JOKER BABY +--- 15353188 +>>15352377 (OP) +US government has convinced its citizens to willingly sterilize themselves. I can only assume intelligence sources are leaning towards AI taking over most jobs. +--- 15353211 +>>15352754 +>dude like serial killers are not even like 1% of the population so we should like just ignore them or whatever +--- 15353237 +Are tattooed up lesbian/trans-something/gay millennials evolutionarily fit? Often I see them hooking up with someone who already has kids, if they're not currently in a gay relationship +--- 15353298 +>>15352377 (OP) +>is this actually a successful evolutionary strategy? +>Lesbian +It's a very unsuccessful breeding strategy. +--- 15353301 +>>15353211 +>serial killers +Worlds needs MANY MORE of them to cleanse shit. +--- 15353316 +>>15353018 +>his wife has a dick +Surprised Michael "MIchelle" Obama hasn't come out of the closet yet. +Maybe it will when it tries to run for President? +--- 15353319 +>>15353316 +>>15353018 +>>15352871 +>>15352377 (OP) +--- 15353607 +fpbp +>>15352378 +--- 15353635 +NO evolution isnt real, this comes from rejection of GOD when you reject god he rejects you and gives you to unnatural lust "26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." romans1:26-27 +--- 15353903 +>>15352377 (OP) +>removing weak minded and mentally ill individuals from gene pool +seems fine +--- 15354027 +>>15352377 (OP) +Yes because it's called Eugenics due to how dumb the populous is. +--- 15354031 +>>15352871 +It is to useful ends. It's getting rid of dead ends crazies, truly mentally ill types. +--- 15354426 +>>15352796 +I'm gonna be honest with you zoomers, these soijacks are absolutely repulsively unfunny. + +They don't really even offer insight into the unconscious, they're just weird. +--- 15356759 +>>15352377 (OP) +No, it is something only possible in a sterile, non-changing environement. +If shtf +>It will, it always has, we just never know how +these kinds of people can't procreate, and will likely get taken over by groups that can. +--- 15356783 +>>15352871 +The world would look the same because almost no money gets put into faggots. It’s all just a show to distract people from real issues, both the promotion and the backlash equally. Imagine what /pol/ would do if they spend all the energy they currently spend on fags and niggers instead on useful political discourse around economics and geopolitical strategies. The waste of time and resources goes both ways. +--- 15357244 +>>15352796 +>>15354426 +It's a parody of the White man's burden drawing from some old English publication. I think it's pretty funny. +--- 15360390 +>>15352377 (OP) +probably not, they aren't even trying to pass so even if they were open to trans people, it would be anyone but them, +--- 15360408 +I genuinely feel bad for lesbians having to deal with this shit +--- 15360449 +>>15360408 +>feel bad for lesbians +Fuck them too. Fuck the entire XHFGSJGHB "community" now for allowing all this degenerate shit. They used to be normal and like everyone else, now it's in your face all the fucking time. Fuck them all. +--- 15360452 +>>15360449 +Lol rage harder snowflake +--- 15360458 +>>15360449 +Being socially pressured into fucking some guy when you don't like men is gross +--- 15360483 +>>15360458 +NTA but homosexuals have removed themselves from the "consensual" dating-pool, so are now exclusive to the "nonconsensual" dating-pool. +They've made their choice. +Maybe once-upon-a-time there were homosexuals who stayed quiet and didn't bother the rest of us; but now they got parades and are Protected Groups - that is, they're the ruling caste. Fine. Another ruling caste can come and rape them all. I won't save them. +--- 15360512 +>>15360452 +>>15360458 +Found the faggot who thinks it is a woman. +--- 15360513 +>>15360512 +I called trannies men you retard +--- 15360544 +>>15360513 +good cover. but just come out of troon closet already. diff --git a/sci/15352625.txt b/sci/15352625.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0332dab8bf1d259aac2b20cf8e4a176dc5fbb368 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15352625.txt @@ -0,0 +1,56 @@ +----- +--- 15352625 +We are going +--- 15352834 +>>15352625 (OP) +nowhere +--- 15354528 +>>15352625 (OP) +Earth is an unfixable shithole. I hope that Mars will be better, but you also don’t want turn it into something similar to the world created in the movie Elysium. +--- 15354709 +>>15352625 (OP) +the government will rightfully regulate him out of existence once the environmental damage SpaceX has caused is too hard to ignore +--- 15354719 +>>15354528 +you just know the first colony to Mars will be a "diverse" one which would automatically ruin that planet too +--- 15354735 +>>>/sfg/ +--- 15354852 +>>15352625 (OP) +For me its building our own planet from scratch +--- 15354881 +>>15354852 +For me it's transcending beyond corporeal form traveling as energy trough the universe, which would make planetary health or even construction from scratch meaningless +--- 15355241 +>>15354719 +Thankfully the actual survival conditions on Mars will be complex enough to make this concern redundant. Outright incompetence will cost lives and won't be tolerated very long. +--- 15357835 +WE GAAAAAAN +--- 15357844 +>>15352625 (OP) +>>15357835 +--- 15357850 +>inb4 O'Neil habitats +Spinqueers fuck off +--- 15357899 +>>15354528 +>>15352625 (OP) +We will never colonize Mars with that gravity. Space stations are better +--- 15357902 +>>15357850 +Humans will never colonize other planets +--- 15357908 +>>15357899 +>>15357902 +Mercury is best colonial target. +>Relatively high gravity, yet shallow gravity well due to small radius +>rich in minerals +>copious sunlight +>no inconvenient atmosphere +--- 15358018 +>>15352625 (OP) +>cuckrockets to nowhere + not happening +--- 15358037 +>>15354528 +Earth is a literal paradise compared to anything else within our reach diff --git a/sci/15353120.txt b/sci/15353120.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5d5eeee02faa852a284b1030c30ff66f2cc70ef4 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15353120.txt @@ -0,0 +1,275 @@ +----- +--- 15353120 +Some commentators contend that the American populace has become increasingly narcissistic since the end of World War II. People compete mightily for attention. In social situations they tend to steer the conversation away from others and toward themselves. The profusion of popular literature about "listening" and "managing those who talk constantly about themselves" suggests its pervasiveness in everyday life. This claim is substantiated by the growth of "reality TV" programs, the growth of an online culture in which digital media, social media and the desire for fame are generating a "new era of public narcissism." + +Also supporting the contention that American culture has become more narcissistic is an analysis of US popular song lyrics between 1987 and 2007. This found a growth in the use of first-person singular pronouns, reflecting a greater focus on the self, and also of references to antisocial behavior; during the same period, there was a diminution of words reflecting a focus on others, positive emotions, and social interactions. References to narcissism and self-esteem in American popular print media have experienced vast inflation since the late 1980s. Between 1987 and 2007 direct mentions of self-esteem in leading US newspapers and magazines increased by 4,540 per cent while narcissism, which had been almost non-existent in the press during the 1970s, was referred to over 5,000 times between 2002 and 2007. + +https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fa0023195 +https://journal.media-culture.org.au/mcjournal/article/view/2401 +--- 15353142 +IT'S JUST ME, MYSELF AND I +SOLO RIDE UNTIL I DIE +CAUSE I GOT ME FOR LIFE +--- 15353143 +>>15353120 (OP) +i felt satisfied when germany raped brazil. Remember 7-1 +--- 15353224 +>>15353120 (OP) +if youre mad about discussion being about someone that is not you then youre just uninteresting lazy faggot that no one cares about, its not what you tell people to do, once youre actually irrelevant they'll talk +--- 15353242 +>>15353143 +been all downhill for germany since them. turns out winning as sportball isn't worth much. brazil still has nearly limitless exploitable natural resources and no immigration problem +--- 15353244 +>>15353224 +christ this board has fallen so hard. you should at least be able to speak basic english if you want to make a post +--- 15353269 +>>15353120 (OP) +It's not the fact that people focus on themselves that's the problem. The problem is how they interpret themselves. People are downplaying their own influence and turning all their attention to information. Finding the right words has become more important than making the words right. +--- 15353280 +>>15353269 +Well said, but also empty attention and dopamine received via social media is addictive. Life becomes a performance for pointless and non transferable (in most cases) eCredit +--- 15353287 +>>15353120 (OP) +>Normalization of narcissistic behaviors +Don't give a fuck if someone is or not. +But if they piss me off, I'll fuck them up dawg. +--- 15353329 +>>15353142 +>CAUSE WE* GOT ME FOR LIFE +https://youtu.be/iQWXHIk5X-k [Embed] +--- 15353338 +>>15353329 +Do you want help with your understanding? +--- 15353387 +What I don’t understand is why would anyone want to draw attractive to themselves in the first place? The second you do something wrong, you’re already caught. Isn’t it better just to be a ghost? +--- 15353391 +>>15353338 +>Do you want help with your understanding? +I can measure the soul and the dimensions of heaven. God offers help and I slap it away with my staff because its a degenerate shitbag Satanic entity. + +Who are you? +--- 15353394 +>>15353391 +You are Cult of Passion. I can help you. +--- 15353405 +>>15353242 +brazil has all sorts of problems +--- 15353448 +>>15353394 +>I can help you. +Define yourself, mortal. I will dissect your soul for all to see. +--- 15353455 +>>15353448 +I am one person. +--- 15353458 +>>15353387 +You’ve never received or forgotten the dopamine hit of positive attention. Is it better to be a ghost? Perhaps in modern amerika, yes +--- 15353472 +>>15353455 +I am not. +--- 15353477 +>>15353472 +Not you may be, but not is still me. +--- 15353498 +>>15353477 +He fought his nature until He won. His own body, to conqure one's self, is greater than conquering the world, but nature call's that overcoming the world. + +To deny one's base insticts of tooth and claw, wants and transient emotions... + +You think you are One...nay, you are simply a democractically submitted tyranny unto thyself. Asymmetry for coherence to a simpleton's mind. + +https://youtu.be/ZmRaIQOlxTY [Embed] + +I can take you past the outerlimits of existence itself...until one takes a second glance at a stone...because you would swear it looked back. A void to the center of an atom and beyond. +--- 15353502 +>>15353498 +>To deny one's base insticts of tooth and claw +Hairy-tic. Lucy-fur. + +Hrmm... +--- 15353515 +>>15353502 +If I am not, then what am I? Am I not? I am not, but I am not not. I am not not not, so what am I. Not I may be, but not is still me. Not I may be, but not is still me. +--- 15353521 +>>15353515 +>then what am I? +A heretic. +--- 15353530 +https://youtu.be/veXUwWj06Lg [Embed] +--- 15353581 +looks like someone got offended at the premise of this thread and decided to try to spam it to death +--- 15353590 +When two schizos communicate they somehow talk passed eachother to the point of full circle and they can somehow keep building conversation to the point of explosion. The end result is one stabs the other (if in person) +--- 15353592 +>>15353581 +>Some commentators contend that the American populace has become increasingly narcissistic +READ; +>If I am not, then what am I? Am I not? I am not, but I am not not. I am not not not, so what am I. Not I may be, but not is still me. Not I may be, but not is still me. + +Were you perceptive or were you misled by your lying eyes, human? +--- 15353596 +>>15353590 +Maybe educate yourself, you step over knowledge for ego-affirming faux-superiority. +--- 15353601 +>>15353596 +I’m just kidding guy, but it is quite a remarkable thing to witness. Though I may be misinterpreting motives +--- 15353608 +>>15353601 +>motives +I know nothing of this term as it implies deception of either others or one's self. +--- 15353611 +>>15353608 +Ok so you have no motive at all times. And you’re never in delusion +--- 15353612 +>>15353592 +Ah, Cult of Passion; the answer to a question nobody asked. +--- 15353615 +>>15353590 +I'm not a schizo. +--- 15353622 +>>15353611 +>Ok so you have no motive at all times +The data collection for a more irrefutable concept of reality. +>And you’re never in delusion +MORE IRREFUTABLE. + +>>15353612 +>the answer to a question nobody asked +Yes...animals never ask questions for they know not that a potential answer even exists. + +CORRECT. +--- 15353633 +>>15353622 +Why did you create an account here? +--- 15353653 +>>15353622 +You should tone down your crystal meth use. +--- 15353654 +>>15353633 +To shitpost between field research trips while I lay in bed resting and "recuperating from years on end of traveling the world". Like sleep Im years behind in "me time". + +Why are you here? +--- 15353655 +>>15353653 +You should attend more university lectures. + +https://youtu.be/bwreHReBH2A [Embed] +--- 15353661 +>>15353120 (OP) +i am the only person that matters in the world. Cope +--- 15353682 +>>15353661 +Scientifically factual fact. +--- 15354596 +looks like someone is getting massively triggered by this thread. +40 posts, half of them by one outraged mental case. +OP is really putting the hurt on it +--- 15354718 +>>15353120 (OP) +I 100% agree there is a gendered component to Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), probably having to do with the roles our society forces men and women to play, but i think once you get to the individual level it gets pretty complicated. in my own experience i've seen that men seem to exhibit sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies more often (often for manipulation/personal gain- when you see a self-made millionaire from humble beginnings, it seems like there's a 50%+ chance of a personality disorder of some kind) whereas women more often exhibit NPD-type characteristics in order to get emotional needs met. + +it seems like our society rewards people who are willing/able to skillfully manipulate others, my theory is that there's a direct connection between the hierarchical power structure in politics/corporate culture and the disordered/sociopathic personalities which tend to succeed. it's a feedback loop- "free market" capitalism rewards psychopaths, psychopaths make the world more psychopathic. + +Personally i find it most insidious when the psychopaths in question have taken oaths to serve others, as in the case of politicians, medical professionals, or corporations ostensibly serving the public good + +Anyone born in the past <70 years probably has more narcissistic tendencies because they find a million different ways to feel special, whether it's astrological signs, sexual identity, political identity, gender pronouns, or mental health labels. People just get progressively more interested in labeling themselves with unique identifiers so they can stand out. + +Then comes the issue of entitlement. Everyone feels entitled and like they're in the right. They all feel like the world owes them because they didn't have a perfect life, or maybe they did have a great life and they just expect that special treatment from everyone. +--- 15354723 +>>15353120 (OP) +Finally, we're bloodthirsty. Many of us have a truth we hold in our hearts and a strong sense for seeing justice be done to that truth. The people in power have carefully orchestrated a duality to truth and then convinced each side that his or hers is the right one. Then they stoke the flames of drama get get people really riled up to the point where we would have fought a blood civil war already if we all weren't completely comfortable, lazy, and incapable. + +Narcissism is the delta that emerges from the previous three conditions: 1) attributing unique identifiers to oneself, 2) entitlement issues, 3) aggressive propensity for one's own version of social justice. + +Remove these things from humanity and you'll know peace. +--- 15354823 +>>15353120 (OP) +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04&pp=ygUTY2VudHVyeSBvZiB0aGUgc2VsZg%3D%3D [Embed] +--- 15355144 +Anyone ever notice how much of the content on /sci/ is made by people who just want to talk about themselves and focus attention on themselves and have nothing to offer for the rest of us? +--- 15355172 +it's just because of women having more social power nowadays. female nature is inherently chaotic and degenerate, woman is formless, has no identity, to the extent she is the least bit moral or logical she has a partially masculine nature. empowering women just means sending your society down the path of death and decay, but there's no going back now. sad how people don't understand this. +--- 15355188 +>>15355144 +>just want to talk about themselves +Idk...but you posted your personal feelings and didnt include anything STEM. +>have nothing to offer for the rest of us +u first + +>b-b-but you didnt either +Look at the picture and infer cognition data, be a scientist....I believe in you! +--- 15355203 +>>15355172 +everything you said is true except +>sad how people don't understand this. +lot of people understand, including the media jews who force feminism into everything +--- 15355248 +>>15354596 +You get the most flak when you're over the target. +--- 15355407 +>>15353242 +lol. germany is on the path of becoming a shithole, but brazil already is an irredeemable trashbin +--- 15355435 +>>15353242 +>Germany is going downhill because of thirdies! +And Brazil is 100% thirdies, Germans simply need to turn off the visa, over a million workers leave the country each year. Brazil can't be fixed. +--- 15355518 +>>15353120 (OP) +>Some commentators contend that the American populace has become increasingly narcissistic since the end of World War II +I think this is the most vapid pseudo-intellectual sentence I've ever seen in my life +--- 15355543 +>>15353387 +>you do something wrong +I cant do something wrong because im me and youre you. +We're not the same buddy +--- 15355560 +>>15353120 (OP) +>narcissism +is FAAAAR over used. someone like trump is a pathological narcissist. someone "steering a conversation towards themselves" is likely someone relating personal experiences relevant to the conversation, and is not pathological. learn the difference. +--- 15355650 +>>15355560 +>reeeeeeeeeee trump +>>>/pol/ +--- 15355814 +>>15355518 +why does it trigger you so much? hit a little too close to home? +--- 15355886 +>>15355830 +Media influence like that might be why some commentators contend that the American populace has become increasingly narcissistic since the end of World War II +--- 15356140 +>>15355560 +>someone like trump is a pathological narcissist +if he were then he would have had no issue with wasting money on virtue signaling stupidity. +narcissistic virtue signaling is a feature of the leftist +--- 15356301 +>>15355830 +This was 2 months after google bought YouTube. +Slick marketing +--- 15356443 +>>15356301 +>google +The CIA/In-Q-Tel +Do you think its just a coincidence that the Anheuser Busch boss who was pushing trannys is "ex" CIA? +--- 15356660 +>>15355830 +Boomer TV dragged on forever with filler content trying to explain simple stuff, YouTube replace it. YouTube is now asking their creators to make longer and longer boring videos, one day TikTok will replace it. + +https://youtu.be/Z22auDK2K5M [Embed] +--- 15357019 +>>15355172 +>female nature is inherently chaotic and degenerate, woman is formless, has no identity +i agree that many women are like this and i find them absolutely repugnant and unlovable +>she is the least bit moral or logical she has a partially masculine nature +however i disagree with this. i find woman who are logical and intelligent but also understanding extremely feminine and very attractive (not even sexually but purely on a human level) and i love to be around them. +--- 15357235 +>>15353120 (OP) +>In social situations they tend to steer the conversation away from others and toward themselves. +including as many first person pronouns per sentence as possible is very popular writing style on this board +--- 15357353 +>>15353244 +>too stupid to understand his point +>accuses him of not speaking english +many such cases +--- 15358471 +>>15357353 +Are you expecting honest interaction from someone with a personality disorder? diff --git a/sci/15353202.txt b/sci/15353202.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..84ab2a87fab7916b84661ce47b91fc516c815094 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15353202.txt @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +----- +--- 15353202 +Any other fields of study and thought are welcome. Just the single hardest thing or sets of things a person can comprehend, in terms of fundamental thought rather than just memorizing a shit ton of stuff that on its own isn't super hard to get your head around. +--- 15353254 +nearly all fields have the same difficult issue, developing a justification for intellectualism outside of navel gazing. +--- 15353398 +>>15353202 (OP) +The way you freaked out makes me wanna say something like psychology because you can't follow the books strictly you need to somehow have correct intuition. However in terms of hard sciences I would guess either fluids or plasma dynamics, since the main equations don't describe most systems beyond a single order of magnitude and the fundamental equations are still unsolved, so you need to know exactly what kind of assumptions to make to get a workable answer and you will not necessarily be able to double-check the math. If you are working in unusual situations it can probably be difficult to know if the problem is unsolvable or not. +--- 15353404 +>>15353398 +Fuck. I don't know how "phrased it" autocorrected to "freaked out." Ending it all rn +--- 15353481 +>>15353202 (OP) +Apparently the hardest concept of them all is that there is no hardest concept. There is no scala naturae in the world and isn't a puzzle to be solved by humans. The 99.999(9)% of the universe exists for it's own sake and us being able to intelectually engage with it is just a coincidence. + +Second place would be probability because it's unnatural to us. + +When ChatGPT was trained without much human supervision it showed very good grasp of probability but was pretty bad at other stuff. When curated by human evaluations it became much better at everything EXCEPT statistics and probability. They got noticeably worse. + +It makes sence. Our most powerful ability is recognizing patterns. The whole IQ test is about it fundamentally. The frontal lobe which is considered to be the most unique in humans if associative in it's function. It's also full of hard settings that are baked in and are hard to remove. They are called cognitive distortions, there a list on Wikipedia. +One of them is seeing pattterns that are not there. +Which is why it's so hard to understand that after you get 100 tails the odds of it being heads is still 50%. We just can't do it without strong abstraction and rationalising. +--- 15353494 +The concept of concept is the hardest concept +--- 15353555 +>>15353494 +>The concept of concept is the hardest concept +Where do they come from? Where do they go?... + +https://youtu.be/yz-tuCVs0hY [Embed] +--- 15354572 +>>15353202 (OP) +>>15353481 +>Apparently the hardest concept of them all is that there is no hardest concept. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complexity_class +Obviously as P ≠ NP it follows there absolutely are levels of computational difficulty. It also follows, therefore, there are levels of conceptual difficulty for what amounts to biological computers i.e. our brains. + +The "hardest" concept to grasp in general appears to be the full implications, and inherent limitations, of abstraction. Not that there's some alternative or anything. Elaborating on it further would be pointless. >>15353494 is basically correct. +--- 15354583 +>>15354572 +>P ≠ NP +citation needed +--- 15354671 +>>15354583 +>citation needed +Logical contradictions cannot be meaningfully said to be true. P ≠ NP in the same way 1 ≠ 5. Explaining that if you don't already get it would also be pointless. +--- 15355173 +>>15353481 +>There is no hardest concept + +2+2 is easier than calculating the trajectory of a surface-to-air missile, not just by conventional human standatds but also pure computational resource requirement in computers and such. I'm not sure I can agree with your statement, and it feels like a philosophical undercut that sidesteps the question more than anything. +--- 15355183 +>>15353404 +Haha you're good man, thank you for the great response. Actually answers the question in a practical way, which is refreshing because I've asked this question twenty-odd times everywhere but 4Chan and have never gotten a fully-convincing answer. This is the first, so thanks! +--- 15355561 +>>15353555 + +>Where do they come from? Where do they go?... + +Easy ... :}~< +--- 15355744 +>>15355183 +>Actually answers the question in a practical way +Anyone could puke out an opinion. Whether he would be right or not depends on complexity class, complexity theory and related concepts. In his case he happens to be right in that something like psychology involves far more compounding uncertainties than simpler systems. + +Why you'd praise someone merely shitting out an opinion instead of the actual metric you can use to measure with is fucking bizarre to me. +--- 15355837 +>>15353254 +almost nobody in academia ever achieves it. if they do then the 99.999% of dedicated navel gazers immediately take credit for it +>my field finally discovered something worthwhile and useful +>that reflects on me personally even though i had no hand in it at all +and then they go right back to being useless navel gazers. +--- 15356524 +Consciousness. Was it always there, or only comes about when atoms are arranged in a certain way? +--- 15356541 +you guys just need to study what you like +--- 15356552 +Maybe statistics and probability. +--- 15356553 +>>15356541 +But then anonymous poster on /sci/ will question my intelligence.... +--- 15356558 +nonlinear dynamics +--- 15356873 +>>15353202 (OP) +Meaning +--- 15357388 +>>15356553 + +That might just occur, yes. :) diff --git a/sci/15353442.txt b/sci/15353442.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..179649f5565b77f8eb1d92e8f3a70d25832a245f --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15353442.txt @@ -0,0 +1,53 @@ +----- +--- 15353442 +Excluding race-mixing, how long would it take for a population's skin color to change in accordance with their climate? An example would be if 1 million ancient Northern Euros were the only humans sent to an alien planet that was just like earth and to a region that has a climate similar to that of the Congo and then deprived of technology like air conditioning. +--- 15353445 +blacks stupid, whites good, push racism to destroy solidarity and make your career slightly more valuable before the indians and AI takes it +--- 15353449 +>>15353445 +What are you talking about? +--- 15353453 +Would they select for people who don't get sunburns, thus leading to an altered phenotype overtime? +Is this correct? +--- 15353462 +>>15353453 +You can just wear clothes or sunscreen to avoid the sun anon. +--- 15353563 +>>15353442 (OP) +A hundred thousand years or so? Also keep in mind that races don't differ just in skin colour but also things like jaw and nose size. These things are not depended only on the climate but the environment factors caused by said climate. +--- 15353619 +>>15353563 +like what factors? +--- 15353974 +It wouldn‘t change, because white humans would regard a brown skin color as ugly and sexually select it out of their gene pool. They would never adapt. +--- 15354030 +>>15353442 (OP) +if there is no selection pressure for the populatioj to change, then it won't change +e.g. most of the white australians will never have increased melanin production, because they wear clothes and use sunscreen +--- 15355262 +>>15353442 (OP) +About 20000-30000 years +>the major migrations out of Africa to colonize the rest of the world were also dark-skinned +>Lighter skin tones evolved independently in ancestral populations of north-west and north-east Eurasia, with the two populations diverging around 40,000 years ago +>Studies have suggested that the two genes most associated with lighter skin colour in modern Europeans originated in the Middle East and the Caucasus about 22,000 to 28,000 years ago +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_skin +--- 15355266 +>>15353619 +Groups closer to the poles have vitamin D deficiency so they evolve lactose tolerance for instance +--- 15356859 +>>15355266 +how is vit D related to lactose? i always thought lactose tolerance came from dairy use +--- 15358935 +>>15353442 (OP) +many millions of years longer than humans have existed. we were genetically engineered by an intelligent alien group, and different races were created to fulfill different purposes for them before they cut their losses and abandoned us about 10 million years ago. since then, natural evolution has barely made a dent in their designs. +--- 15359289 +>>15353442 (OP) +I think it's like 30-40 generations, per information I saw a year ago. Obviously don't have the source, but for what its worth but there you go (and this was specifically in regards to Africans hypothetically crossing over into Europe). +--- 15359379 +>>15353453 +>Would they select for people who don't get sunburns, thus leading to an altered phenotype overtime? +>Is this correct? +skin color is not the only way to avoid the sun, hair also does the trick +--- 15360183 +>>15353449 +Just a buck broken leftist who has /pol/yps in his brain, rent free I might add diff --git a/sci/15353483.txt b/sci/15353483.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6f8a46cbe8d63990c6b2aaf96e78abf54d6a56bc --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15353483.txt @@ -0,0 +1,56 @@ +----- +--- 15353483 +I'm insecure about my intelligence. +--- 15353486 +>>15353483 (OP) +Hi insecure about my intelligence. I'm staying anonymous. +--- 15353487 +>>15353483 (OP) +Why? You got what you got. It is what it is. +--- 15353536 +>>15353483 (OP) +It's over, you will never feel confident about your intelligence anymore. +--- 15353823 +>>15353483 (OP) +You should be. +--- 15354429 +I'm insecure about my height. +--- 15354462 +>>15353483 (OP) +>I'm insecure about my intelligence. +I fixed this by understanding that nature created sophisticated solutions though pure trial and error (natural selection), and not with a brain. +Take paper and pen, try every solution to solve a problem, then keep trying to find a more efficient solution. Mix solutions together to make new ones. + +Ecosystems have billions upon billions of living beings as processing power. +--- 15354473 +>>15353483 (OP) +I'm intelligent about my insecurity +--- 15356848 +>>15353483 (OP) +i'm insecure about my social status. i'm confident with my intelligence, which is why i'm using it to try to improve my social status. +--- 15356855 +>>15353483 (OP) +>>15354429 +>>15356848 +I'm insecure about literally everything. There is nothing I can say I'm confident in about myself. Except my biceps, I have decent biceps genetics +--- 15356867 +>>15356855 +then CHANGE. every second of every day you are presented with a choice to either stay the same or change and you choose to stay the same. STOP DOING THAT. if you are truly unhappy with your current situation (which you are, and should be) then you have nothing to lose by trying something new every day. +--- 15356872 +>>15353483 (OP) +So are the vast majority of people on this board, anon. + +I don't really know what to tell ya. Go lift some weights take some LSD and fuck some women. When you come out the other side, itll be as obvious to you as it is to me how fucking retarded it is to measure your sense of self worth based on a poorly defined, imprecisely measured, and practically low-value factor like general intelligence. +--- 15356877 +>>15353483 (OP) +I'm insecure about your intelligence +--- 15359382 +>>15353483 (OP) +I'm pretty sure more people here are than in the average population (or, at least, to a greater degree for each person that is insecure about it). What matters is being a better you rather than being better than someone else (so improvement regardless, minus the unrealistic expectations of comparing yourself to Elon Musk and such). Just focus on being a better you in whatever ways you can be better, and you'll find you are not only more secure, but you will have even greater justification for being content with who you are. +--- 15359387 +>>15356867 +This +>>15356872 +This (but maybe try a little of it anyways just to prove it to your subconscious) +>>15359382 +THIS diff --git a/sci/15353923.txt b/sci/15353923.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c26c82afc7a38f7bce4f4b62710374eeacbdab51 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15353923.txt @@ -0,0 +1,44 @@ +----- +--- 15353923 +Are suits and spacecraft painted white to get rid of extra heat or for purposes of visual authentication? +--- 15353938 +only because white looked best +if they wanted to get rid of heat fast they would have been black +--- 15353948 +>>15353923 (OP) +>get rid of +No, it's to REFLECT the heat of the sun. +>>15353938 +If they were black they'd absorb said heat. +--- 15353956 +>>15353923 (OP) +i remember that another reason for white was for cleaning the suits from dust and other debris. +--- 15353957 +>>15353923 (OP) +Imagine going to space and everything is painted black lol. "DURR WHERES THE STATION??" LOL +--- 15353962 +>>15353957 +>YO WHO TURNED OUT THE LIGHTS? +--- 15353968 +>>15353923 (OP) +no, it's just white supremacy +--- 15354513 +>>15353923 (OP) +It's not to get rid of heat but to reflect as much visible light as possible to avoid taking on heat in the first place. +EVA suits from the moon suits and onward use evaporative cooling to reject waste heat, it's extremely efficient and only a relatively small water reservoir can last for hours at a time before being depleted. +--- 15354534 +it's arab technology +--- 15354712 +>>15353923 (OP) +Remember, high reflectivity not only prevents luminiferous heating, but also decreases heat transfer from within. +--- 15357345 +>>15354513 +> need to protect from all this heat +bro just carry an umbrella +--- 15357354 +>>15353923 (OP) +It's because white is better than black. + +Simple as. +--- 15360534 +not to get rid of extra heat but to not attract any heat in the first place diff --git a/sci/15354104.txt b/sci/15354104.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4fae9fe25dc05cb532e30bbdfdefff4d955618bd --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15354104.txt @@ -0,0 +1,199 @@ +----- +--- 15354104 +Does Elon Musk personally design his cars and rockets? +--- 15354106 +>>15354104 (OP) +He's actually the CEO as well as Chief Design Officer of Tesla, which explains why his cars look soulless given his autism +--- 15354143 +You will never be a real engineer. You have no degree, no knowledge, no contributions in projects. You have never solved a line integral, a triple integral or a nonlinear difq. You are a twisted narcissistic billionaire handing yourself titles to jerk your ego off. +All the validation you get is from retards and pajeets online. Behind your back all of your team mocks you and laughs at you whenever you make a retarded remark that clearly shows you know nothing. +Engineers are utterly repulsed by you. Tens of thousands of hours of engineering classes and work experience have allowed engineers to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even if you use engineering jargon, your lack of understanding is a dead giveaway +--- 15354146 +>>15354143 +He has a degree in physics if I'm not mistaken +--- 15354194 +>>15354143 +>You will never be a real engineer +I know. I've come to terms with this by being spiteful to them. +--- 15354243 +>>15354143 +>You have no degree, no knowledge, no contributions in projects. You have never solved a line integral, a triple integral or a nonlinear difq. +I don't like the guy on a personal basis, but to say this is just false. He's got a bachelor in physics and he enrolled into a PhD in Materials Science and Engineering at Stanford. The work he did at Tesla is remarkably similar to the research his professor did(see his letter), research he would have done himself. +--- 15354262 +He had VERY little to do with the design of Falcon or Starship. He's a smart guy, but he's not the mastermind people think he is. +--- 15354308 +>>15354104 (OP) +>design a rocket +lmao +It's literally a pencil you strap to a huge as explosion. +Eight year old can do it. +--- 15354318 +>>15354243 +>goes to standford +>work resembles professors +>it was totally him doing this work +Are you fags in here entirely unaware of what a "front man" is? +SRI has run a large percentage of this stuff for over 70 years. You put a face on it to sell stories to normies. Like you I guess. +--- 15354492 +>>15354143 +>>15354104 (OP) +No, but he has a degree +Whites and some asians are superior so they can do anything, a darkie leading tesla would be doubtful because there's a 99% chance of him being a brainlet +--- 15354498 +>>15354104 (OP) +Not in the sense that he sat down at a computer, booted up Solidworks and did all the modeling and simulating of each component, ran off all the prototypes on a CNC, tested all them personally, etc. Yes in the sense that he had the idea, and used a combination of a grounded general knowledge of the field and good business sense to use his money to put together teams of many hundreds of people to realize that idea, tell him what could and couldn't work, design and test different things, and eventually assemble them into functional vehicles. +Orbital rockets and industrial level car manufacturing aren't exactly things that can be done by a single person, no matter how rich they are, it might be somewhat depressing but the Wright Flyer days where two glider enthusiasts and a skilled mechanic can design and build a novel vehicle in a shed are long gone. +--- 15354536 +>>15354498 +lmao +Do you guys really think this is how things happen? +Or are you paid to suck off elon online to build his "presence"? + +Tesla is a total failure that road a government grift entirely and is failing and will totally fail. EVERYONE with two brain cells knew for all time that EVs are fucking retarded. +Even golf courses are all moving back to gas carts last 10 years. fucking lmao + +SpaceX is literally the government paying him all the money to build rockets. That means it's the government. +He is an agent and twitter will be the next WeChat. He's just your presented God so you'll follow along down the path "willingly". +--- 15354550 +>>15354143 +>needing a goy paper to practice engineering +Ya books exist right and so does the internet bruv +--- 15354554 +>>15354536 +>Tesla is a total failure +In what sense? They're delivering cars, making a profit and expanding at an astounding rate. +--- 15354569 +>>15354554 +Every EV is subsidized by the government. +Seeing a pattern with Elon here? + +The next thing is hydrogen. They are already winding down the EVs because they are drooling retarded from a resource and energy perspective. +Gasoline is the greatest bang for the buck ever. EVs are totally inefficient and require missive infrastructure upgrades. +They are a failure. +Is Elon making money? Yes, that's what front men and grifters for the government tend to do. + +https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/electric-vehicle-rebates-by-state/ +Click your state and see how much money they've stolen from someone else to help you get a scam EV vehicle that will pollute the earth in a garbage dump for hundreds of years after you are done. +--- 15354730 +>>15354104 (OP) +Melon Usk is a globohomo puppet leading the Fake Awakening. He is an actor, rest assured he never designed anything. You think he has time to design mock crafts, run several companies and shitpost on twitter all day? + +https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136 [Embed] +https://youtu.be/52dVfhgt_T4?t=694 [Embed] +--- 15354744 +>>15354569 +>They are already winding down the EVs +Kek +>Gasoline is the greatest bang for the buck ever +Kek +>EVs are totally inefficient +Kek +>require missive infrastructure upgrades +>missive +Oh no we might have to have a better than Africa tier electrical grid +--- 15354758 +>>15354104 (OP) +No he's busy sleeping under the desk to rest up to go cooming around the world to repopulate the dwindling human numbers I bit on the Elon genius pill right up to seeing this video +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6YP6BrPEQ0 [Embed] +>rewrite the stack +bro what? +--- 15354766 +>>15354536 +>EVs are fucking retarded +This is true. +--- 15354772 +>>15354569 +calling someone a failure for successfully grifting hundreds of billions of dollars from the government and investors is some pretty fucking pathetic cope + +you're not wrong about EV's being trash compared to ICE; you simply ignore the fact that we don't have enough oil to keep driving gas cars forever, that biofuel/ethanol is complete trash in terms of efficiency, that not changing and just having everyone drive regular cars is physically not an option due to global resource constraints, any more than replacing every gas car with an EV + +Musk is a frontman for the paradigm shift from "a car in every garage" 20th century resource abundance mentality to the reality where cars will once again be a luxury reserved for the wealthy elites, of course if you told people that's what's happening they'd take to the streets and protest against it, so you use an incredibly successful celebrity whore to sell them on a purely fictional alternative vision that exists only to get them to let go of the unsustainable old way of doing things +--- 15354804 +>>15354730 +he's retarded though. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf55O9byDvk&t=1s [Embed] +and irrationally hated only by individuals that like to have their asses destroyed by aids infested penises. +hope your aids gets better +--- 15354824 +>>15354146 +>>15354492 +>>15354243 +he has a bachelor of art degree in physics, not bachelor of science, basically a meme degree. and he has no publications. it's literally impossible to get into phd program in a top uni without publications. even certified geniuses like terrance tao have publications before they are enrolled. the fact that he claims he did it means there is something fishy. +he will never be a real engineer +--- 15354832 +>>15354744 +>kek +Listen to the European Union talk about clean hydrogen. +>kek +Name something that provides as much easily transportable power than gasoline? +It can literally go anywhere and you can farm thousands of acres and lift enormous weights with it. +I'll wait. +>kek +The market can't sustain which is why they are subsidized as per my link +We outsource enormous lithium mines, they require chargings stations run from coal electricy. From COAL. +>Oh no we might have to have a better than Africa tier electrical grid +Wow, I made a typo meanwhile O'Biden is building a million charging stations. You win. +--- 15354837 +>>15354772 +>calling someone a failure for successfully grifting hundreds of billions of dollars from the government and investors is some pretty fucking pathetic cope +Didn't call him a failure. Called EVs and Tesla a failure. Unless the point entirely was grift and then I cede your point. +But I would quibble and say that he's simply a highly paid puppet that does what he's told and operates in the "private" sector. + +This is what DARPA and agencies have done forever. Heard of Google? Life Log? + +They develop something and then it goes "private" under controlled faggots and thereby avoids all public oversight. +--- 15354843 +>>15354772 +I believe oil and coal to endless for all intents and purposes and the vast amounts of it allowed for a time span in the thousands of years with any semblance of reasonable management. +That will allow time for ACTUAL energy innovation, not grift and scams that are actually wastes of money and even worse for the planet given the toxic shit involved. +Coal and Oil are literally carbon and just go back to the earth and life cycle undeniably. +--- 15354851 +>>15354772 +>absolutely embarrassing third response +But I have to add SPACEX = NASA. +We see a pattern here with government programs going "private". +--- 15354873 +>>15354824 +>he has a bachelor of art degree in physics, not bachelor of science, basically a meme degree. +>not knowing the difference between BA and BSc +This is the level of /sci/ posters +--- 15355484 +>>15354873 +Based esl retard +--- 15356506 +>>15354851 +>SPACEX = NASA +Lmao no +I think you are confusing SLS with spacex +--- 15356798 +>>15355484 +Point to a single thing that is grammatically incorrect. +>>15356506 +The point isn't the acronym. It's the mechanism of privatizing government research to avoid oversight you absolute mongrel. +--- 15356815 +>>15354824 +>he has no publications. +Publications are for worthless navel gazers, they don't do anything for anyone other than add a line to the author's CV and waste a bunch of other people's money +--- 15356951 +>>15356798 +>It's the mechanism of privatizing government research to avoid oversight +It doesn't avoid oversight at all dumbass it just allows them to operate to complete a contract rather than to fill a jobs program like NASA. The oversight is still there SpaceX still has to abide by ITAR and any other restrictions and SpaceX gets to keep the IP they create, which if they didn't blue origin would have been in orbit by now. Where as NASA actually had to share their technology with SpaceX which greatly helped them initially +--- 15357313 +>>15354194 +You’re fucking cringe. Professors would fail you just to save themselves from seeing your retarded ass schizo face. +--- 15357358 +> thread devolved into inane schizo rambling +I'm not sure what I expected +--- 15358421 +>>15356951 +Private companies are subject to FOIA requests and if the government's intent, as I'm saying, is to obfuscate and escape oversight, how well do you those regulatory agencies do? And what do they divulge? + +Do you think they are a good as the banking regulatory or environmental regulatory agencies? lamo +FDA allows literally poisoning the land every year to grow grain to feed cows that don't eat grain. +I'm sure SPACEX is real scared of the people that empowered them and literally PAY FOR THEIR SERVICES ENTIRELY. +I was going to go on with sarcasm but don't want to lay it on too thick. +--- 15358429 +>>15358421 +*are NOT subject to of course... +--- 15360573 +>>15354318 diff --git a/sci/15354147.txt b/sci/15354147.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4da400e87bd4bbf556bf63737c71565d1cab0cdb --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15354147.txt @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +----- +--- 15354147 +Let's talk about how would the world look like if we reach peak oil and no other energy can fill its gap in the global primary energy mix thus causing a slow catabolic collapse of civilization or massive wars for the remaining resources (and so reducing population). +Will horses and oxen replace tractors in food production? Or the efficiency of a tractor is so superior that the remaining oil will be used in them just transferring its huge cost to the market price of final food products? Is there even enough land to feed the horses and oxen necessary to produce food for half the current population? + +What about sea transport? Would we see a comeback of sailing ships like clippers? And coal fed steam ships? +--- 15354171 +>>15354147 (OP) +we'll just create fuel from h2+co2+solar energy, which we can already do +--- 15354198 +>>15354147 (OP) +Peak conventional oil already happened and unconventional oil is largely a meme. +--- 15354951 +>>15354147 (OP) +Probably a lot of wars with several nations trying to build nuclear plants and expand their renewable energy to prevent a total collapse.of their nation. There's plenty of land, but there will be food shortages because tending hundreds of thousands of acres is impossible for any single farmer without tractors and the labor isn't available. Fertilizers will become incredibly expensive and with the extra labor required to produce crops and raise livestock, food will also become incredibly expensive. No plastics except.the omes.we.can synthesize from plant sources like PLA from starch, which will kill most industries. We would basically be fucked. Most estimates for when we'll run out of oil are around 2060 so you'll likely live to see how much we prepare and what happens when the oil is gone. If you own your own house I highly recommend getting solar panels with a grid tie and battery backup. You'll have electricity when your neighbors have blackouts, you'll likely save more more money than you spend on the system, and you'll conserve some of our fossil fuels that would otherwise be burned at the power plant. + +>>15354171 +Just use solar and electric motors at that point. Combustion engines aren't anywhere near as efficient as electric motors. +--- 15355020 +>>15354147 (OP) +It's very fucking simple, /sci/ can't handle this and most retards in the world today want to believe in some fucking stupid fantasy story instead of accept the basic facts of reality but here it is: + +>Renewables can't replace oil, they can supplement the power grid but they simply don't provide the return on investment to sustain modern society, pretending otherwise is a meme to get stupid people to vote for government policies, you seem to at least understand this much + +>There is however a valid substitute, nuclear power can easily produce much higher returns on investment than even modern shale oil or deep well extraction + +>However the anti nuclear side is actually right: not the brain dead hippies or NIMBY's, but the political system of human society is unstable and fucked up enough that allowing widespread nuclear reactors would inevitably lead to weapons of mass destruction falling into the hands of unrestrained psychopaths with millions or even billions of casualties + +>All this is only a temporary concern, the advance of AI will obsolete human-led political structures prone to instability and corruption; the application of AI to war will result in the development of terminator drones that render any human-based resistance combat ultimately ineffective + +>Once the corrupt and rotten old-world political structures strangling modern society are either removed or thoroughly restrained by force majeure, then it will be logical and easy to switch to nuclear power capable of maintaining a global digital society for centuries with no issues + +There may be some possibility to opt out and be amish if you really want to plow a field with an ox cart +--- 15355116 +>oh no the world is coming to an end +>therefore +>you must comply with my selfish fantasy +"environmentalism" is always a disguise for selfish ambition. the word "mental" is buried right in there. narcissistic personality disorder +--- 15355286 +>>15355116 +This. All of these fantasies are delusions of grandeur linked to a narcissistic savior complex. +--- 15355313 +>>15355116 +>>15355286 +Take your meds. Environmentalism was never mentioned. +--- 15357969 +>>15355020 +Considering the fact that we already avoided several nuclear exchanges and disasters because people refused to obey orders or risked to assume it was a malfunction and not an attack I'm much more inclined to believe any organized government will think twice before using nuclear. +Not just because it's very costly, but also because it might show that actually deploying them and trying to achieve military goals with them is not as feasible as they thought. +This weapon system hasn't been used ever (a bombs in japan are much different to what we have now) and hasn't been tested in decades. Some argue how much of them won't detonate at all or be severely less powerful than before. + +Terrorists and other such organisations are a different question. But here we have to assume that US will put war on terror to shame if there's an incident of that kind anywhere on NATO's soil. +They better hope they prepared more weapons to negotiate otherwise Vietnam levels of casualties are unavoidable + +But that's what I think. What's your opinion? +--- 15359029 +>>15354147 (OP) +>General post-peak oil world futurology Anonymous 04/15/23(Sat)15:53:34 N +I think its no big deal because you can do everything with nuclear and renewable energy. In the long term it will be done like that, after all oil and coal runs out, meanwhile the path there will be messy and full of mistakes, wars and shit. I also dont think nuclear war is a big deal +--- 15359215 +>>15354147 (OP) +Russia, US and other oil rich nations horde theit remaining reserves. Weaker nations get invaded, sphered by superpowers or aquird nuclear weapons +Poles, ocean and previously shale oil are exploited. Plastic falls out of use, things are built to last longer because making new shit is expensive. Expect a regression, in a way. Less synthetic clothes, more linen and cotton, plastic bags replaced by paper, etc. +I expect a shift to space based, hydroelectric and fission power. +--- 15359364 +>oh no the world is coming to an end +>i'm gonna save the world!!! +>just like the heroes in muh marvel comix mooooovies +>people will have to give me the respect an attention i know i deserve once i save the world from *invented fake problem that i choose to believe in solely for the completion of this fantasy* +--- 15359691 +By the time coal runs out all the CO2 will have become biomass so you can use it again diff --git a/sci/15354286.txt b/sci/15354286.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fa57eadb533742cb888d45413f86a38d8405dde1 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15354286.txt @@ -0,0 +1,55 @@ +----- +--- 15354286 +What did this guy do anyway, besides partaking in the Manhattan project? Any accomplishments of note in physics? +--- 15354315 +Born-Oppenheimer Approximation is the first thing that comes to mind. +--- 15354393 +I think he did something in peaky blinders +--- 15354578 +he recognized the possibility of a nuclear chain reaction +--- 15356334 +He was become death +--- 15356337 +>>15354286 (OP) +He tried to kill his tutor at Cambridge and escaped an attempted murder charge due to his parents being rich. +--- 15356415 +>Cillian Murphy (/ˈkJliən/; born 25 May 1976) is an Irish actor. He made his professional debut in Enda Walsh's 1996 play Disco Pigs, and in the 2001 screen adaptation of the same name. His early notable film credits include the horror film 28 Days Later (2002), the dark comedy Intermission (2003), the thriller Red Eye (2005), the Irish war drama The Wind That Shakes the Barley (2006), and the thriller Sunshine (2007). He played a transgender Irish woman in the comedy-drama Breakfast on Pluto (2005), which earned him a nomination for a Golden Globe Award. +>Murphy is also known for his collaborations with director Christopher Nolan, having played Scarecrow in The Dark Knight Trilogy (2005–2012), and appearing in Inception (2010) and Dunkirk (2017). He gained further prominence for his role as Tommy Shelby in the BBC period drama series Peaky Blinders (2013–2022) and for starring in the horror sequel A Quiet Place Part II (2020). +>In 2011, Murphy won the Irish Times Theatre Award for Best Actor and Drama Desk Award for Outstanding Solo Performance for the one-man play Misterman. In 2020, The Irish Times named him one of the greatest Irish film actors.[1] +--- 15356455 +We already has this thread earlier this week +https://warosu.org/sci/thread/15348316 +--- 15357096 +>>15356415 +>He played a transgender Irish woman in the comedy-drama Breakfast on Pluto + +Why no Giga-Chad Gypsy? +--- 15357207 +>>15354286 (OP) +>The Bomb did WHAT +--- 15357223 +>>15356455 +shills don't care, they aren't here to enjoy science discussion, they're here to shill their agenda. thats why theres a dozen contentless threads every day started with jewface.jpg +--- 15357225 +>>15356455 +ok dad, just go back to sleep +--- 15357682 +Wagwan? De bombbomb-ting go BOMBOCLAAT?!?! +--- 15358223 +>>15357682 +jej +--- 15358227 +>>15354286 (OP) +He managed people that knew physics better than him. As the manager, he takes the credit. To be fair to him, the project was no easy task, he's still a noteworthy individual, but so many brains are completely forgotten by the public imagination and everybody thinks he just made the bomb himself. +--- 15358661 +>>15358227 +he didn't manage anything, it all would've happened if he were there or not. he got a nepotism job with the government because leftist political activist with rich parents, so common amongst the tribe. the current presidential administration is over 50% hebrews +--- 15358988 +>>15357682 +kek +--- 15359120 +>>15357682 +Lmao +--- 15359340 +>>15356455 +nothing in the thread you linked talks about his contributions to physics, which is the topic of this thread diff --git a/sci/15354306.txt b/sci/15354306.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..57376253e0565fca93391c64f5f882b3bfee2ffd --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15354306.txt @@ -0,0 +1,57 @@ +----- +--- 15354306 +>nuclear fusion by 2040 +>AGI by 2050 + +Why so long? What do scientists do all day? +--- 15354339 +>>15354306 (OP) +Real advancements in science and engineering do not come from universities or corporate laboratories. +Real advancements are made by independently-wealthy autists in their basement or garage. +--- 15354358 +>>15354306 (OP) +>What do scientists do all day? +There may be a hundred ways to approach a problem, then when you choose one it branches into 100 other problems, and you don't know if you should give up and try a different approach or try a different approach within your approach, or try to figure out a way past a problem with the current approach. +It is hell. Or maybe I'm just retarded. +--- 15354378 +try to earn and keep grants +--- 15354481 +>>15354306 (OP) +It took us millions of years just to figure out how to plant seeds, and tens of thousands after that to figure out how to extract nitrogen from the air so we could actually feed this many people. + +Rome was not built in a day, some shit takes generations. + +...but also there's a lot of grift and competing nonsense involved for those in particular. +--- 15355481 +>>15354306 (OP) +Apply for funding +--- 15355486 +>>15354481 +And somehow we figured out how to split the atom within 50 years. +--- 15355514 +The men watch porn all day. The women spend all day talking. +--- 15355515 +>>15354306 (OP) +Even if all of this happens, I think people are naive if they believe that humans care about other humans. The 1% will literally just let us fucking die. It's not a conspiracy, it's happening in real-time. Rampant homelessness globally, skyrocketing rent and food prices. They are killing people by doing these things. I don't believe in the human race to do the right thing. +--- 15355519 +Waste time doing side jobs that actually pay money +--- 15355524 +>What do scientists do all day? +I'm one of those well paid corporate scientists and what I do all day is +1) be bothered by people without PhDs that I'm supposed to be training (this is ok, it's why I'm well paid) +2) design/test numerical methods for "solving" a problem whose actual real analytical solution has evaded the scientific community for decades. + +So very little on a day-by-day basis, but if 6 months from now the computer does X 25% better, then everyone is very happy. +--- 15357838 +>>15354306 (OP) +they do nothing. they want gibs from the government so they give super long times to extend how long they get gibs for +--- 15357863 +AGI by 2030 +Nuclear Fusion in just 20 years +--- 15357922 +>>15357863 +Couldnt AGI invent fusion for us? Unless AI researchers use some faggotry definition of AGI about awareness or something equally pointless, because shouldnt AGI be just as good if not better then humans in literally everything? +--- 15357928 +>>15354306 (OP) +>Why so long? +jews diff --git a/sci/15354384.txt b/sci/15354384.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b3367dfda9deea71a55f758acde9d12a5d8dbc5a --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15354384.txt @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +----- +--- 15354384 +It's so over aether sisters. +--- 15354551 +>>15354384 (OP) +yes, we know you watch Exurb1a +--- 15354651 +>>15354384 (OP) +Classical Doppler effect +--- 15354670 +i don't know why people think this aether wind concept is a neccesary part of a luminiferous aether theory. +--- 15354838 +How you know the mirrors are 90 degree apart if you measure by windy light +--- 15354862 +>>15354670 +Because you can't have a physical medium without physical effects. +--- 15354870 +>>15354670 +propose an aether theory without the aether wind then. +--- 15355125 +>>15354551 +i used to think he was so cool and edgy and provacative, until i realized what a massive fag he is and his ideas and stories are retarded +--- 15355259 +>>15354651 +This. +--- 15355357 +>>15354670 +Either you have a wind or you have aether drag to keep it at local rest. Drag was also tested independently and discarded. +--- 15355371 +>>15355357 +M-M was the only experiment to test drag that the scientific community believes in, but it was performed in a location where it could never happen. Tests outdoors and in high places showed aether dragging as expected. +--- 15355389 +>>15355371 +You seriously think a 135 year old experiment is the only time such a measurement have been done? I can't tell if you're an idiot or just utterly delusional. +--- 15355401 +>>15355389 +It's the only design of that experiment that physics soientists ever care about, despite being debunked by replication. +--- 15355416 +>>15355401 +I see, you're both. +--- 15355418 +>>15355416 +The actual state of physics, everyone. +--- 15355564 +>>15354384 (OP) +aether is stationary silly man, btw thats 2 way speed of light, cya soi +--- 15355733 +>>15354670 +There isn't necessarily a wind, but we are moving relative to the supposed weather from either orbital motions or other observable motion +Wait six months from any given time and you will be moving in completely the opposite direction, orbitally speaking. The different relative velocity to the weather should be detectable but isn't because it doesn't exist +--- 15355736 +>>15355733 +*aether +--- 15356926 +>>15354551 +>Projecting the post. +--- 15357734 +>>15354670 +that's the whole point of the aether +if you don't have a wind then you end up with spacetime i.e. no special reference frame +--- 15357799 +silvertooth 1986 +>drops mic +--- 15357862 +>Nathan is still getting called a schizo +Kek +--- 15359915 +>>15354384 (OP) +This just proves the Earth is flat. +--- 15360047 +>>15354670 +I don't know why people only think there's one theory of the Aether and that disproving one theory means the others are automatically disproved. + +>>15355371 +>>15355389 +>>15355401 +The Michelson-Morely assuption doesn't even classify as an experiment and yet it was used to explain the unproven nature of light that it never actually showed. + + +>>15355416 +>"Yesh and we would call zis ze "idiot-delusional duality" because not only does he recognize it as an experiment in the first place, but he discusses the "results" that mean nothing and uses it as a foundation of his own argument against it. + + +>>15355564 +>This medium is stationary +>But I still refer to light as "having a speed +How? Figure that one out, smartass. diff --git a/sci/15354584.txt b/sci/15354584.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5f25b8cabdded0e469f2e43266fe39f1a7d76a20 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15354584.txt @@ -0,0 +1,166 @@ +----- +--- 15354584 +>"excuse me how do I solve a quartic polynomial?" +>"oh, its quite simple just use the quartic formula to find all 4 solutions." +>"great, what does it look like?" + +Please simplify this eyesore for me. +--- 15354595 +>>15354584 (OP) +>he can't understand the quartic formula +NGMI, stick to studying engineering, brainlet. +--- 15354607 +humblebragging for intellectual posers +>muh field is sooooooo smart, look at how big the formulas are +same retard will turn around and brag about the small ones being "elegant" +too narcissistic and desperate for attention to post it's math discussion in the /mg/, no genuine interest in the topic whatsoever, just another worthless poser +--- 15354699 +I still don't understand why there is no formula for higher polynomials. +--- 15354713 +>>15354607 +We know anon even applied math was too hard for you, you can stop being angry now +--- 15354729 +>>15354699 +Study Galois theory +--- 15354819 +>>15354729 +so you can't give an answer +>solve polynomial with power of 1 +>ok +>solve polynomial with power of 2 +>ok +>solve polynomial with power of 3 +>ok +>solve polynomial with power of 4 +>ok +>try with 5 +>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST SOLVE A QUINTIC +why the fuck are mathfags like this?? +--- 15354825 +>>15354699 +>>15354729 +>>15354819 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bring_radical +--- 15354829 +>>15354819 +You're right, I can't give an answer. I did a semester of Galois theory at university 6 years ago, it all made perfect sense to me then but I've forgotten it now. Even if I did remember, I doubt a semester of Galois theory could be condensed into a single 4chan post. +--- 15354876 +>>15354819 +>so you can't give an answer +I can. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abel%E2%80%93Ruffini_theorem +Have no idea if that will be meaningful to you or not. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galois_theory +The aforementioned galois theory is about why things are solvable, while abel-ruffini directly pertains to the absence of a formula reducible to radicals from its coefficients. That is, the absence of a general formula for finding a solution. Specific equations may of course nonetheless be solvable, just not in a generalizable form as with lower degrees. +--- 15354888 +>>15354876 +You're not giving an explanation, you're just giving him the name of the theorem. I'm pretty sure the guy was asking for an intuitive explanation of WHY quintic polynomials can't be solved with radicals. That can only be explained intuitively using Galois theory. +--- 15354892 +>>15354829 +The only thing you forgot is the definitions, taking a course doesn't makes you a genius, well however remembering the definitions is the only hardship +--- 15354916 +Pointless to memorize Cardano or even Ferraris method. Just use some Polynomial divison or numerics like Newton-raphson, thats faster and easier +--- 15354924 +>>15354819 +It's a fact of nature that most things are not exactly solvable in the way that would appeal to 19-th century mathematicians. This is not so surprising. +--- 15354927 +just transform it into a depressed quartic, loser. +--- 15354948 +>>15354888 +There are intuitive explanations on those pages. There is a reason I linked wikipedia for them both, as I believe anyone who understands enough to use words like "quintic" ought be able to at least understand the simple non-solvable quintic example therein for the galois theory page. Either way, fine, +>>15354819 +The simplest possible intuition is actually from toplogy, as usually people are better able to understand visual demonstration. e.g. topological Galois theory. At a certain point the additional dimensions simply cannot be mapped onto a regular 2D plane, that is to say linear equations or functions with solutions in regular numbers, in the usual way you could with a 3D shape "collapsing" or "moving through" a 2D plane. As the solutions do not, at any point, "intersect" in the same way with this plane as do shapes produced in lower dimensions where its coefficients give definite points you can represent in 2D. + +It would help to view what such a shape "moving through" a 2D plane ends up looking like. Usually, some criss-crossing lines such that any solution defining the shape or contact points would result in a violation of identity. Such as "1 = 2", but moreover also with larger series of contradictions at many points, perhaps "1 = 5 = 2 = 100". None of these are produced from any given example and are merely to represent the idea. +>>15354888 +And if you've a problem with the attempted brevity given I am assuming I am thus explaining it to a high school student feel free to fucking do it yourself. +--- 15355755 +>>15354948 +Thanks dude. I appreciate your effort. Gonna read the wikipedia articles. I had a class on algebra but it sucked and didn't cover Galois theory. +--- 15355775 +If you're so smart, solve quintics +--- 15355790 +>>15355755 +Most things, one way or other, can be shoved into simplifications one can at least intuitively understand by interactions of shapes. One simply has to get very creative in certain cases such that often times more than one shape is involved or even shapes across transformations or dimensions, or even multiple dimensions. As you might guess it stops being helpfully intuitive at a certain point and you devise yet further machines and intuitions. + +Having wrong or only "partially correct" intuitions is fine so long as you understand their limitations. Think like that as one uses a tool, as one uses particular methods in solving increasingly complex problems as one learns from kindergarten to university. Develop your intuitions likewise and you'll be a lot better off. +--- 15355809 +>>15354607 +>same retard will turn around and brag about the small ones being "elegant" +they have no self-awareness because they're too low iq +--- 15355825 +>>15355775 +x^5 = 1 +x = 1 +too ez +--- 15356314 +>>15355825 +[math]x=e^{i2\pi n/5}[/math] for [math]n=0,1,2,3,4[/math] +--- 15356407 +>>15354699 +>>15354729 +Important distinction here is that Galois theory does not imply that there can be no quintic formula in general, but that the formula can not be algebraic (that is consisting of only addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, integer powers and integer roots). Thus theoretically on might formulate a solution with transcendental functions, integrals, limits etc. +--- 15357954 +>>15354584 (OP) +to solve p(x)=0: +let x = (a*z+b)/(z+1), q(z) = p(x)*(z+1)^deg. +in the case deg=3, you want to solve for a,b to kill the z and z^2 coefficients then just cube root the thing. +In the case of deg = 4, you want to kill the z and z^3 coefficients and solve the quadratic (in z^2). +--- 15358121 +>>15357954 +>[math]x=\frac{(az+b)}{(z+1)}[/math] +>[math]p(z)=p(x)(z+1)^{deg}[/math] + +formula names? or is it just Galois theory? +--- 15358171 +>>15358121 +Try it and you'll understand. +Start with degree 3. +You'll end up with the two equations: +3p(a)+p'(a)(b-a)=0 +3p(b)+p'(b)(a-b)=0 + +Solve for a and b. +Then you'll get z = [-p(b)/p(a)]^(1/3) +Then get x from x = (a*z+b)/(z+1). + +For degree 4 the equations are: +4p(a)+p'(a)(b-a)=0 +4p(b)+p'(b)(a-b)=0 +You'll need to use the cubic formula to solve this. + +You get z^2 from solving the quadratic. +--- 15358888 +>>15354948 +Wikipedia is not intuitive + +>>15354699 +https://youtu.be/zCU9tZ2VkWc [Embed] +--- 15358952 +>>15355809 +yep, its all about bragging and narcissism for them +--- 15359468 +>>15358888 +>Wikipedia is not intuitive +Intuition is relative to your degree of competence. An example to help construct a more accurate intuitive model differs, wildly, depending on if you're trying to help a middle-schooler, a high-schooler, an undergrad, and so on. Also their respective abilities for their ages. +--- 15360206 +>>15354699 +Basically, repeatedly taking the commutator subgroup of Sn fails to reach the trivial group when n>4 but does reach the trivial subgroup when n<=4. + +The main insight is to impose an ordering on the set of roots of your polynomial. +This is useful for when you vary the coefficients of your polynomial over some path in C^n that starts and ends at the point corresponding to your polynomial. If you just consider the set of roots then you observe no change and you think no big deal. +With the ordered set of roots you observe the roots being permuted by letting the coefficients follow some loop in C^n. +Loops induce permutations. +Concatenating loops (doing one loop then another) corresponds to composition of permutations. +Basic complex analysis tells you the only way to go around a loop and get something different is if you go around a branch point. + +Restricting our choice of loops to all compositions of commutators of two loops (corresponding to anything in the first commutator subgroup) guarantees no winding around zero for terms that are rational functions of the coefficients (w1 + w2 - w1 - w2 = 0). This means terms that have radical depth of 1 or less are unchanged. +Anything in the second commutator subgroup guarantees terms that have radical depth of 2 or less are unchanged. +... +Anything in the mth commutator subgroup guarantees terms that have radical depth of m or less are unchanged. + +If the roots could not be written as functions of the coefficients with finite radical depth then no number of iterations would reach the trivial group. +S1 is trivial already so no radicals are required for degree 1. +S2 -> S1 takes 1 iteration so degree 2 requires at most radical depth 1. +S3 -> C3 -> S1 takes 2 iterations so degree 3 requires at most radical depth 2. +S4 -> A4 -> C2xC2 -> S1 takes 3 iterations so degree 4 requires at most radical depth 3. +S5 -> A5 -> A5 ... doesn't terminate so there could possibly be no finite radical depth solutions. diff --git a/sci/15354657.txt b/sci/15354657.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..aac383abfa94d90f1e22efcbe1ed0e2eed918bf2 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15354657.txt @@ -0,0 +1,163 @@ +----- +--- 15354657 +What is an analysis/calculus 1 or algebra exam like at your university? i want to compare +--- 15354674 +- proving an open problem in mathematical analysis +- evaluating an integral from last year's MIT integration bee +- writing a joke that would make the professor laugh +--- 15354690 +>>15354674 +Do you have an exam to see the exercises? +--- 15354695 +>>15354657 (OP) +gah, you just made me remember my dream last night where i sat taking an exam on something i knew cold and for some reason couldn't get my answers down so i got a 0. +i haven't had an exam in years. + +anyway, calc 1 is a breeze. i never took analysis, but it would probably be slightly harder since the subject has more to it +--- 15354702 +>>15354657 (OP) +Calculus and real analysis are not the same thing. +Calculus is a rereq. for real analysis, and for very good reason. +--- 15354705 +>>15354702 +only in cringe anglo countries, everywhere else you just start with Analysis and you formally define and prove stuff from the very beginning +--- 15354775 +>>15354702 +not at Caltech. they start with Apostol, and spend the first week proving the real numbers. +http://www.math.caltech.edu/~2015-16/1term/ma001a/ +--- 15355019 +>>15354702 +analysis is the rigorous foundation of calculus +--- 15355171 +>>15354702 +This is burger mathematics, the civilized world doesn't make that distinction. Your education has just been optimized to "what is the least amount we can teach, and get them into the wage cage soonest" +--- 15357826 +hi +--- 15358072 +>>15354705 +Whenever people say this, they ignore the fact that students are usually expected to have taken Calculus in high school in order to take Real Analysis at university. This is true in Europe, Asia, and even some of the better universities in America, like Harvard and Caltech. +--- 15358158 +>>15358072 +No they are not. You literally start from the very beginning +--- 15358205 +>>15354705 +>>15355019 +>>15355171 +Analysis is not le rigorous calculus either, dumb europoor. What europoors incorrectly call le hecking analysis, I am so advanced, is what is called advanced calculus in US, or just calculus in a pure math programme. +Calculus is whatever Bolzano and Weirstrass founded i.e., books like Spivak, Courant, Abbott, Apostol (yes, even the one that is called le analysis). +Analysis is what Borel, Lebesgue, Banach, etc. founded i.e., books like Kolmogorov, and the Princteon series. +Calling proof based Calculus by a completely different name is such retarded europoor thing to do. Analysis if anything, is the generalisation of Calculus to abstract metric spaces. +--- 15358206 +>>15358158 +You start from the beginning but unless you're a genius or took a calculus course in high school you'll have trouble keeping up. I'm sick of people saying "calc is easy". It's not. Only about 10% of people will naturally understand it. That is not a large percentage. +--- 15358216 +>>15354695 +rofl +--- 15358251 +>>15354775 +> Apostol, Tom M., Calculus, Volume 1 + +Not an analysis book +--- 15358262 +>>15358205 +Sorry to shatter your amerilard reality, but in my first two "calculus with proof" courses we basically covered Rudin's principles of analysis book (and then some because it's awfully incomplete). +I had to prove the implicit function theorem on my oral exam, try that in your amerilard undergrad classes +--- 15358294 +>>15358158 +>>15358206 +This simply isn't true. + +I took BC calc in high school, went to a top 25 university, saw the head of the math department when registering for classes, and was placed into Calc 3 in my first semester. + +I ended up with a B+ as it was indeed a very difficult learning curve compared to high school math classes, but implying I would have gained anything from spending an entire year retaking the Calc I-II sequence is both fucking retarded and not actually the policy at US universities (high tier ones, anyway) +--- 15358300 +>>15358205 +>Baby Rudin isn't analysis +Cope. Most American students taking a course with "Analysis" in the name are using either BR or something easier. + +That being said, I do agree that European freshman analysis is closer to rigorous calculus than real analysis +--- 15358305 +>>15358294 +But anon, you *did* spend a year taking the calc 1-2 sequence in high school. That's what calc BC is. + +They're not saying it's necessary to retake calc 1-2, but that it's a big help to have taken it in the first place +--- 15358312 +>>15358262 +>I had to prove the implicit function theorem on my oral exam +If your course really covered Baby Rudin, you would have seen the implicit function theorem. Either you're lying about your course covering BR, or worse, you earnestly believe reciting a previously-seen proof like a parrot is the same as proving it. I guess that's what happens when you try to teach analysis to freshmen +--- 15358328 +>>15358312 +what are you even talking about you fucking sperg? +what, your undergrad teacher now asked you to prove a complex theorem on the fly during a 2 hour closed book exam? +fuck off and find another way to cope +--- 15358342 +>>15358262 +In the preface of Rudin, it says it's a book for first year math students, so I don't know what you are boasting about so much. +>>15358300 +Yes, American students who are not in a mathematics programme. People who are in a pure mathematics honours programme use Rudin for the first year calculus and then forget about it. Rudin is used in "Analysis" courses for engineers, economists, etc. The Princeton Lectures in Analysis is what math undegraduates in USA would study for an actual analysis programme. How are you gonna pretend books prepared directly from lecture notes to the point they are literally called lectures is not proof of that? +--- 15358349 +>>15358342 +>so I don't know what you are boasting about so much. +because I was an engineering student LOL +--- 15358367 +>>15355171 +t. vatnik mongoloid or third world Muslim shitskin + +America and the EU are #1 and always will be. Nobody cares about the opinions of someone from whatever backward third world shithole you come from. The American education system is not part of some big "globalist" conspiracy to take away your "freedumbs" and put your kids in "wage cages". The American education system is about producing practical results. American universities are the best in the world for a reason, and that's because our education system is not designed to indoctrinate kids into a particular ideology or worldview like what they do in places like Russia, Iran, and China. Instead, our universities are designed to teach student practical skills to help them get jobs, navigate through life, and make a positive contribution to their communities. +--- 15358377 +>>15358367 +>ask an amerilard the proof of why he can pass the limit under the integral in all his cute formulas +>watch him as he shits himself in terror +--- 15358395 +>>15358349 +Nice larp. +--- 15358401 +>>15358395 +lol, BTFOd +--- 15358443 +These were my calc 1 exams. Pretty easy stuff, unfortunately +--- 15358445 +>>15358443 +And the other one +--- 15358498 +>>15354657 (OP) +--- 15358514 +>>15358445 +>>15358443 +Amerifat here. These look pretty interesting, and this is completely different from anything you would do in an American calculus or analysis course. These sorts of problem are a lot different from what you see in an American calculus or analysis course, because this combines computational problems involving limits and series, with proof-based problems. In an American, you would compute limits and series in an intro calculus course, but you would not be asked to provide proofs or formal arguments. Conversely, in an analysis course you might prove very basis abstract results and theorems, but you would not be asked to compute any actual limits or derivatives or series. For instance, in an analysis course, you might be asked to prove that a function satisfies the epsilon-delta definition of continuity if and only if it satisfies Lipschitz continuity. + +Unfortunately, in American it would be very difficult, e.g. to come across something like a formal proof that a/(1-r) provides the summation formula of a convergent geometric series. It's certainly a nice result and one that any math student in America would be familiar with, but it would be almost impossible to confront an actual proof of this basic fact in an American math course. To be sure, math students in America learn this formula, and they learn that it provides the sum of a convergent geometric series. However, they would never run into a proof of this sort of formula, because geometric series would mainly be covered in an intro calc sequence, whereas rigorous analytic proofs are reserved for when student get to "upper division" real analysis. The end result is that many math majors in America can graduate with a degree in math, with literally never once seeing a formal proof of something like the quotient rule or the geometric series formula, despite the fact that these are fundamental mathematical results that any mathfag should learn at some point. +--- 15358658 +>>15358328 +>what, your undergrad teacher now asked you to prove a complex theorem on the fly during a 2 hour closed book exam? +Apparently that's what your teacher did according to you. Not sure why you're getting so scared and defensive, just answer this simple question: did you class cover the implicit function theorem before the test? +--- 15358702 +>>15358342 +I agree that PLA are analysis courses and I agree that Princeton taught or is teaching Analysis courses at their level, but Princeton's math program is not the typical US math program. + +Here's an example of a graduate analysis class at a more representative (but still excellent) institution: https://people.math.wisc.edu/~angenent/521.2016s/syllabus.html + +Note the textbook used + +P.S. apologies for saying "Cope", it was immature of me +--- 15358718 +>>15358377 +>ask an Europoor the proof of ANYTHING he hasn't crammed into his head by rote for the purposes of parroting it back +>watch him as he shits himself in terror + +Too easy, had to do it to 'em +--- 15358742 +>>15358702 +Universities over 10% acceptance rates don't matter. They are just money making mills. +--- 15358892 +>>15358718 +>bro I have no idea what a Riemann integral actually is, but it's you who is dumb for "knowing" stuff by heart +lol, the cope +--- 15358992 +>>15358658 +I never said I had to prove an unknown theorem you fucking retard, I just said I was asked to prove a fairly tedious and important theorem at my Analysis 2 oral exam. +Of course we fucking covered it in the course +--- 15359178 +>>15358892 +Last night, I asked a group of American students from the esteemed University of Chicago to explain what a Riemann integral was, and this was their response +https://twitter.com/JuanSmith1776/status/1647458842240851969 diff --git a/sci/15354689.txt b/sci/15354689.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..81bcd7084895ffeb65c8aca966bfd56563e4a2c3 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15354689.txt @@ -0,0 +1,44 @@ +----- +--- 15354689 +Aside from avoiding the retarded jokes, why don't people talk about Uranus nearly as much as the other planets? +Like, it is a world more massive and with just as many moons as Neptune, but the latter gets 10x more attention. +Why? +--- 15355124 +>>15354689 (OP) +It’s boring to look at. Every other gas giant has multiple colors and defining features. The moons are boring generic gray rocks. +--- 15355280 +>>15354689 (OP) +Because its unusual qualities make it very difficult for soientists to address how it formed. +--- 15355294 +The public imagination tends to get snagged on the closer gas giants. Most people can't get past those to even consider the ice giants. + +>"We have Jupiter and Saturn at home!" +They're just smaller and less interesting. I mean I think they're interesting, but for consideration they really lose the popularity contest. +--- 15355644 +>>15354689 (OP) +It doesn't have interesting moons. I would bet money they are not compatible with life, whereas Triton at Neptune is the best candidate for life outside the orbit of Saturn (probably outside the orbit of Jupiter), ahead of Pluto. +We would have explored Uranus more, but you have to remember it's twice the distance as Saturn is, and taking shit to Saturn takes ages. +--- 15355761 +planets other than earth are all worthless, people who waste their time on that stuff are all useless morons trying to escape the reality of who they are via idiotic fantasy lives +--- 15355964 +i dont talk about any of the planets, like ever. +--- 15356036 +>>15355280 +there it is + +the reality of how Uranus fits into our solar system literally destroys all of cosmology (other planets do this as well) and soifags can't cope with that +--- 15356117 +>>15354689 (OP) +Anon, Uranus is not that interesting, or else your Onlyfans account wouldn't have failed. +--- 15356389 +>>15354689 (OP) +Neptune in its role as furthest planet out interacts much more with the Kuiper belt, including Pluto, Charon, and Neptune's largest moon Triton, which is orbiting retrograde to the planet because it's a captured KBO. Neptune also has an anomalously wide magnetic field, which is weird. Uranus has none of those features, and is visually much more uniform, so its only unique feature is its angle of rotation, which we can only vaguely speculate at the cause of because we can't check the surface for impact craters. +--- 15357619 +>>15356036 +ok so whats your explanaition? +--- 15357631 +>>15355124 +Not boring at all. With good enough telescope you can see it's clearly a planet, not just a point of light like a star. +--- 15357651 +>>15354689 (OP) +The earth is flat with a dome. They are laughing at you. diff --git a/sci/15354724.txt b/sci/15354724.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4d2a9339ee1649fd304766235408edc177971428 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15354724.txt @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +----- +--- 15354724 +Physicist John Trump in his high-voltage research lab at M.I.T. +He was the younger brother of Donald’s father, Fred. He was also an electrical engineer, inventor, professor, and was a recipient of the National Medal of Science +--- 15354736 +>>15354724 (OP) +Their family ran brothels, where they also spied on their victims for blackmail purposes. Same thing with the Trump towers. Donaldo is an intelligence asset. +--- 15354814 +>>15354724 (OP) +>This lab has the highest voltage, the best voltage you've ever seen, believe me. They'll tell you Caltech has some good voltage but you should've seen it, Feynman came to me at my office at MIT with tears in his eyes and he said to me "John," - he called me Dr. Trump at first but I said Dick, please, just John is fine - he said, "John, the voltage at the lab, we don't know what happened, it just all turned... off!" Can you believe it? Richard Feynman drove the entire way from California to Boston because those - schmucks! that's what I call 'em - those schmucks at Caltech lost their electricity. Bunch of the smartest - that's if you believe the media, by the way but let me tell you that kook John Schwarz has been rambling on about the world being made up of noodles in you'll never guess how many dimensions - 26! and he thinks we all ought to be smoking that crap he puffs out all day, you should see him, the man's a disgrace, he walks around all day smelling like an armpit and he wants you to think you haven't noticed about 20 dimensions flying around wherever - and they called us because they couldn't find where the electricity went. +--- 15354900 +>>15354814 +Based beyond measure, anon. +--- 15354910 +Donald Trump's father was Aleister Crowley. +--- 15354914 +>>15354814 +>midwit fantasies. +--- 15355127 +Safe to assume that he SJW political activists that haunt this board must hate this thread. +Sticky plz +--- 15355904 +>>15354736 +you are jewish +--- 15355996 +>>15354814 +Damn. I love Trump, I love America, those were some really fun years. Biden is to old to get up to cooky hijinks. +--- 15356205 +>>15355924 +>>>/pol/ +--- 15356213 +>>15354724 (OP) +Interesting. +They are, and apparently always have been, a MAGA family for sure. Seems brilliance runs in the family. +--- 15356306 +>>15355904 +so is donnie's son-in-law, your point? +--- 15356436 +>>15356213 +Mike Tyson is at least 30 IQ point smarter than Neil D. Must've been frustrating for him as boxer, he was taught an extremely complex numerical fighting system and never really ran into any decent competition until after he got bored with it and pretty much gave up on training. He blasted one dude after another with the 6-4-10 and it seemed like none of them ever watched his tapes or figured a way around it. +--- 15356454 +>>15354814 +I love Trump's ability to go on a series of detours which operate like the stack data structure. When he deviates, he pushes the old context onto the stack, and upon finishes, he pops the previous context off, and uses it to resume what he was saying. I've seen Trump go to 3-4 levels of side stories like this. +--- 15356470 +>>15356436 +Setup the competition. 1st round, it's boxing for 5 mins. Then every subsequent round is a quiz on astrophysics. I think Mike Tyson wins 1000/1000 contests against black science man. +--- 15356484 +>>15356436 +His boxing was always very advanced on a technical level, many fighters at high levels are suprisingly smart, but sadly they get their neurons smashed up by the punches over the years. +Peakaboo requires a level of coordination that not many have, and when he talks about his style you can see how much thought there is behind it. It's part of why he was a titan in a cathegory he was the smallest guy in. +--- 15356584 +>>15356484 +Tyson's head looks like reinforced concrete block. +He's one of the few tough looking black men I've ever seen. I'd just knock myself out if had to fight him. Would be less painful. +--- 15356598 +>>15356454 +Imagine the fake President Brandon trying to do that! kek! +--- 15357298 +>>15356454 +there was a press conference during the 2016 primaries in feb or mar, might've been super tuesday, that i think was his masterpiece. he was selling trump steaks & trump wine while he was answering political questions and bragging about his victories. the press loved him at time, because they all presumed trump getting the nomination meant a mortal lock win for hillary in november. +--- 15357300 +the science says orange man bad +i trust the science +--- 15357302 +>>15355904 +Disgusting faggot kys +--- 15357344 +>>15356436 +Mike Tyson is unironically a lot smarter than people give him credit for. Nowadays he comes across like the warrior who came to wisdom. +--- 15357577 +>>15356454 +It's not a stack because he never makes mention of most contexts again, it's a linked list with a 50/50 chance of being circular +--- 15358594 +>>15356484 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhOdRU7BmoA [Embed] +--- 15358712 +He's also the guy who was in charge of evaluating Tesla's papers after Tesla died during WWII and the glowies raided his spaces seizing it all lest the plans for a death ray fall to Nazi hands. +--- 15358793 +>>15358712 +>John Trump - "Look, we all loved Tesla and appreciate the groundbreaking work he accomplished early in his career, but looking at all the stuff we reviewed from his home and office, the guy was completely out of his fucking gourd the last couple decades of his life. I mean, hell, there's a box here labeled 'death ray parts' filled with old resistors and pigeon shit." +>pol/x-tards - OMG TESLA FOND TEH SEKRIT TO FREE ENERGEES AN TRUMPS GRANPAPPY FUND OT AN PAST DA SEKRET NOLEDGE ON TO TRUMP! WE PYRAMID POWER NOW!! +--- 15359370 +>>15354814 +hearty kek +>>15357298 +would love a link, anon +--- 15359869 +MAGA! +--- 15360153 +>>15358712 +>>15358793 +>>15354724 (OP) +>Be Tesla +>Adamantly and repeatedly states in the prime of his career that his inventions are "non-hertzian" based technology +>Fast forward +>Retard after retard keeps trying to replicate your experiments using Archaic Herzian waveform "electricity". +>Be John Trump, have all of this information at your disposal, patents, writings everything +>Replicate his experiments doing the same fucking thing, using Hertzian based technology. + +People still do it to this day and think they're hot shit because they can waste their time coiling magnet wires hundreds of times over and over to reproduce some sparking woo that amounts to nothing other than a waste of power. They also fellatio radio, despite being another technology Tesla shit on repeatedly. diff --git a/sci/15354737.txt b/sci/15354737.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5ad384b49689260916fcd6dd99c6243aa195f93d --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15354737.txt @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@ +----- +--- 15354737 +If mental illness isn’t real, why is mania a common side effect of deep brain stimulation of the subthalamic nucleus for Parkinson’s Disease? +--- 15354750 +>>15354737 (OP) +The body thinks its funny the brain goes hurrrr. + +https://youtu.be/J1RSPy9MdBc [Embed] +--- 15354769 +>>15354737 (OP) +what's Mat Parker doing there? +--- 15354791 +>>15354737 (OP) +Antipschotics cause Parkinson and meth cures Parkinson +--- 15354798 +>>15354791 +>meth cures Parkinson +I wonder...old dying people dont have much to lose, why not dose them? + +Have a link/paper on this? +--- 15354815 +>>15354737 (OP) +>If mental illness isn’t real +Only retards think this. +Every part of your body can malfunction, there is no reason to assume the brain cannot. +--- 15354860 +>>15354815 +Right, I think what’s controversial about psychiatric disorders in particular is that they are defined as clusters of symptoms and seem to be the result of higher order brain dysfunction than classic neurological diseases. And when they are discovered to have a simple pathophysiological basis (such as general paresis of the insane aka neurosyphilis, or anti-NMDAR encephalitis) they are no longer regarded as psychiatric illnesses. It’s also interesting to note that some disorders not considered psychiatric are also entirely clinical in their diagnosis with no currently useful biomarkers, such as migraine. +--- 15354885 +mania is an archetype +--- 15355235 +>>15354798 +I really think he just said that because Hitler used Meth to chill his parkinsons +--- 15355380 +>>15354750 +>brain goes hurrrr. +Your brain goes duhhhhh. Please put yourself in a wood chipper. +--- 15355390 +>>15354798 +>old dying people dont have much to lose, why not dose them? + +With that image, cutting your head off would be a start. +--- 15355461 +Lithium carbonate is a highly effective and pretty safe anti-mania drug +--- 15355563 +>>15354815 +The thing is mental illness is called mental because there is no exact brain function it can be precisely linked to. If there was itd be called brain illness, which is a separate category +--- 15357857 +>>15354737 (OP) +it is trust the science diff --git a/sci/15354855.txt b/sci/15354855.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..37346086d7f2faf66ecc522f37d82cd998a6c50c --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15354855.txt @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +----- +--- 15354855 +>cryogenic frozen sperm is viable indefinitely +let's say i had a daughter with a woman. then, i impregnated that daughter until another daughter was born, then that daughter's daughter, etc (using the cryo sperm after my own life ends) +would the offspring converge on a perfect genetic clone of me? if so, how many generations would it take? +even if it never perfectly converged, would there ever be an offspring who had the same appearance (like an identical twin), etc, as me? +--- 15354863 +>>15354855 (OP) +OP here I'm trans btw +--- 15354868 +>>15354855 (OP) +Having the exact same DNA is not enough to ensure perfect similarity, as a child developing will be affected by nutrition, mental health, etc. +He may end up looking different at the same age because of how he was brought up. +--- 15354871 +why not just combine two of your own sperm that way it's 100% your own genetic maternidal. you could have an army of clones +--- 15354970 +>>15354855 (OP) +Interesting thought, my answer would be no. Bearing in mind that we have two copies of every gene, each time you reproduce with somebody, one of those gene is chosen more or less at random for your offspring. Your first daughter will have 1 of each of your genes selected randomly, and 1 from the woman you reproduced with. + +When you reproduce with your first daughter, the offspring will get 1 of each of your genes directly from you, as well as some of your genes from your first daughter. It could be that the second daughter gets two copies of the same gene, one directly from you and one from your first daughter. Similarly you might have genes that she doesn't inherit, simply due to random chance. + +Disclaimer: I have no education in biology so this is probably wrong. +--- 15355145 +>>15354855 (OP) +lmao this is like the Mandelbrot set of the Estrellita and Jose story from Heinlein's "Time Enough for Love." Fractal wincest. + +>>15354970 +I have no biology background either, but I don't think it really matters, it's a math question. + + The win condition is a child getting all the father's genes. At every reproductive event the child gets half the father's genes and half the mother's genes. But at stage 2 half the mother's genes will also be the father's genes, at stage 3 at least half the mother's genes will be the father's genes, etc. It seems intuitively obvious that this sequence converges to 100% father's genes. I just got done mowing the lawn though so some other Anon can prove or disprove it. +--- 15355154 +>>15354970 +>>15355145 +I should say, it seems intuitively obvious that there are sequences within the space defined by this problem which converge to 100% father's genes, not that any such sequence necessarily does. +--- 15355161 +>>15354855 (OP) +you sure do seem to like talking about yourself on social media +--- 15355426 +>>15354863 +Well no wonder you're coming up with fucked up scenarios. Seek professional psychiatric help. +--- 15355468 +>>15354855 (OP) +>if so, how many generations would it take? +If the first generation is your first daughter, then it could happen in the second generation, same probability as flipping a coin 46 times and getting 46 heads. +--- 15355612 +GIVE ME BACK MY NOSE YOU MONSTER +--- 15355764 +>>15355612 +I miss when my kids were young enough to fall for that. +--- 15356233 +>>15355468 +Nah, chromosomes aren't passed unchanged from parent to child, the two chromosomes jumble themselves up before they make sperm and eggs +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosomal_crossover +(This is why mitochondrial DNA and the Y-chromosomes are used to map haplogroups, since they're exempt from this) +--- 15356278 +>>15355145 +Knowledge of how the genes are selected is relevant. I'm not a biologist either but I do know that a sperm cell carries one chromosome of each pair of the father, and there is crossing over of genes between chromosomes before sperm cells are produced. The resulting children would converge towards 100% of genes being from the father, however they wouldn't be genetically identical since there will be some duplicate genes and chromosomes and some missing genes and chromosomes. +The child would probably look pretty similar to OP, probably closer than a sibling, but not like an identical twin. Also what this Anon said about environmental factors >>15354868 +--- 15356322 +>>15356233 +>>15356278 +Good points Anon(s), I appreciate the corrections. Though it sounds like a genetically identical clone is still possible via OP's process, it would just be significantly less likely than I initially guessed. +--- 15356812 +>>15355145 +Having considered it further, I do not think it would converge to a clone.. + +Let's consider a hypothetical scenario where you reach a point that your daughter after a few generations is an exact clone of you. If you reproduce with her, the offspring will almost certainly not be a clone of you. That is to say, once you get close enough to being a clone, the offspring probabilistically tends to get further away from being a clone rather than closer. + +That is to say, the closer you get to creating a clone, the more you are "pulled" away from it in future generations. +--- 15356839 +>>15354855 (OP) +>would the offspring converge on a perfect genetic clone of me? +No, for 2 reasons: mutation and heterozygosity. You are a heterozygote for many genes, it's statistically insignificant that you'll eventually produce a clone of yourself which carries the exact combination of heterozygotes genes which you do. Also with each generation there are about 200 mutations in the genome, so the kids will still build up those mutations which you cant prevent, so they wont ever become clonal. +--- 15356850 +>>15354855 (OP) +No, even if you turned your sperm into egg cells somehow and impregnated woman with zygote made of both your sperm and your egg, it would not end up as your clone (identical DNA). During the creation of your sperm or even an egg if you were a woman, there is mechanism happening in your cells called crossing over. It is random mixing of the genes of your father and mother between your chromosomes, then for the sperm half of the mixed genes gets to one sperm and the other to the other. Same thing with eggs, though you only get one egg and the other dies. When they combine, you would get half of your chromosomes from your sperm and another half from the eggs you made from some other cell in lab. The mixing or choice of chromosomes is random to an extent, so you would lose some alleles from your father or your mother while getting multiple copies of it. The resulting child from your sperm and egg would have multiple copies of some genes exclusive to your mom or to your dad while losing also some. If you did it over multiple generations, they would lose their differences between the sets of chromosomes and would develop more recessive gene phenotypes, basically you would cause them damage trough inbreeding. But since you would keep healthy sperm with healthy amount of differences between the two sets of genes, you would probably lesser that inbreeding effect. + +In conclusion, you would not succeed because your own sperm already has different genome then you. It just does not contain genes you do not have. +--- 15356909 +>>15356850 +You're wrong +That's true for each sperm but because of the nature of the thought experiment, we're always getting sperm from generation 0, so no part of the genome can ever be permanently lost +--- 15356952 +>>15354855 (OP) +>cryogenic frozen sperm is viable indefinitely +or, as OP calls it, "best. mai tai. ever" +--- 15356977 +>>15354855 (OP) +Your grand daughter would be retarded and only get more retarded with each generation, so yes looks like it would become a perfect clone of you +--- 15357069 +>>15356909 +Yes, I said it at the end that since you still have inbreeding-free sperm, you will likely prevent the worst of inbreeding from happening, but that does not mean that the other half that constantly inbreeds will remain still healthy. Recessive alleles that anon has will still be unearthed from time to time, they will just not result in permanent fixation when two recessive homozygotes breed. +--- 15357114 +>>15356812 +That's why I specifically didn't say infinite sequences in>>15355154. Any finite sequence converges to its last value. +--- 15357846 +>>15354855 (OP) +>ways to break your thumb when punching someone. +--- 15357913 +>>15357114 +Okay, just from this post alone it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about, so please don't bother responding to me anymore. + +>any finite sequence converges to its last value +The concept of convergence is not defined for finite sequences. +--- 15358134 +>>15357913 +https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/600795/can-a-sequence-be-called-convergent-divergent-if-it-has-finite-number-of-terms diff --git a/sci/15355312.txt b/sci/15355312.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..af1805f25dc07629a249f55e5a5bbb7c2705ff67 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15355312.txt @@ -0,0 +1,47 @@ +----- +--- 15355312 +hi /sci/, how do you do a literature search and find papers? is google scholar, zlib and libgen enough? what services are out there and more importantly how can i find them +--- 15355595 +use google +--- 15355750 +>>15355595 +i'm also stealing the cat picture +--- 15355778 +>>15355312 (OP) +Google for relevant literature reviews, read those until you're sick of them, and explore various opinions/experiments and opinions on those experiments by following papers citing the specific ones you've read. Same goes for reading papers citing those literature reviews. To properly research you need to understand the culture of words and concepts not only within a given field, but within a subfield or within certain traditions or perspectives of different authors. Caution is needed there, e.g. "observer" in QM people casually take to mean "a literal conscious agent is observing" due to not understanding the first thing about the relevant literature or jargon. +>what services are out there and more importantly how can i find them +Look up dorking guides to find papers across services better. + +Proper research starts from the general to the specific. "Research" in air quotes is people only looking for what confirms their bias, and with zero effort to understand whether any given paper is full of shit or not. Properly done from the specific involves reversing what I recommended above, such that you understand any given paper's place in the total realm of ideas and evidence. +--- 15355862 +>>15355750 +and i'm also stealing the cat picture as well. +--- 15356705 +>>15355778 +>Google Dorking, also known as Google hacking, is a powerful technique used by security researchers and ethical hackers to uncover sensitive information and vulnerabilities on the web +Huh? How is Google Dork going to help with research? I don't need or want to password to someone's account nor confidential information about anything. +--- 15356790 +>>15356705 +The guy meant you can use the same techniques to find specific types of information, go learn it u monkey +--- 15356817 +>>15356705 +Yes, I meant what >>15356790 wrote. I wasn't talking at all about what you brought up. The techniques and ideas, of using flags, operators, and so on, all apply to tailoring your search results to what you actually want to find. Whatever that is. +--- 15356833 +bump for interest +--- 15357080 +What's a good place to start with applying for grants? + +Finally at a point where I've got a good handle on my classes and all the admin bullshit and wanting to get back into research. +--- 15359426 +>>15357080 +>What's a good place to start with applying for grants? +The best place should be the relevant professors and faculty for such recommendations. You mean federal grants? Honestly I'm not sure what to do with this question because ordinarily you're best asking that among those at your university first. +--- 15359431 +Thanks guys!!!!! Sorry I couldn't respond to my own thread yesterday +>>15355778 +Thanks a lot anon! This will help a lot. I didn't know that I could see the papers that cited the paper, it's really helpful +--- 15359445 +IEEE if you're an electrical engineer +--- 15359599 +>>15359431 +There are al ot of resources available for finding what papers have cited a paper. So far in my experience researchgate seems the most comprehensive but it's going to vary. Generally the more you cross-compare services like that the better. diff --git a/sci/15355455.txt b/sci/15355455.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f13cea92c6bab5b568f146ce5f79fc4125581e6e --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15355455.txt @@ -0,0 +1,144 @@ +----- +--- 15355455 +I've always been told that meaningful connections with others make life worth living. But aren't humans the ones who have made our life so shit? Anyone who tells you that life isn't shit is a bit naive. Most people throughout the history of humanity have suffered at the hands of their fellow man. So why the fuck were we put here? Shit doesn't seem to be getting any better. +--- 15355475 +>>15355455 (OP) +I live in deep confusion. With only the most dire conclusion to cling onto as it feels solid. That is, life is shite, and death is good. + +Only little bunny children and consumer fiends get by feeling excited. They're satan's little bitches. + +Only dumb cunts get meaning from the mainsteam sources. + +I WANT MOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. +--- 15355607 +>>15355455 (OP) +How do you regret being born? Did you ask to be born? +--- 15355630 +>>15355455 (OP) +>Anyone who tells you that life isn't shit is a bit naive +no, its the opposite. Or at least its like the iq bell curve meme. Someone who is incredibly naive thinks that existence is fundamentally good, then the mildly wise people are all cringey doomers, then the totally wise individuals realize again the inherent goodness of existence. +--- 15355633 +I can feel my central nervous system screamijg in silence, its dying undeath. This happens when you become a tyrant unto yourself, and force your will upon your baser biology. + +https://youtu.be/J1RSPy9MdBc [Embed] + +So many years of solitary confinement in an open aired prison called planet earth is doing a number on me. +--- 15355648 +>>15355630 +>then the totally wise individuals realize again the inherent goodness of existence +Get behind me, Satan! +--- 15355655 +>>15355648 +existence is goodness. That is the exact opposite of satan. +--- 15355673 +>>15355455 (OP) +>woe is me +>i deserve so much better +outsized sense of entitlement +--- 15355817 +>>15355655 +Yet even one of his most trusted friends, the one to which was to be Rock of the Church, he called Satan. + +From the North Pole...everything is South. +--- 15355843 +>>15355673 +Go back +--- 15356529 +>>15355455 (OP) +I'm with >>15355607. How can you feel regret over something that wasn't up to you? +--- 15356650 +>>15356529 +True. I didn't get a say in the matter. Maybe I should've just said I dislike the act of living and regret having lived so long. +--- 15356741 +>>15355630 +there you go fren +--- 15356808 +Things could be worse. +--- 15356894 +>>15356808 +True. I don't know man if I spawned in Brazil or the DRC I'd probably be actively suicidal. And I'm sure a lot of the populace isn't very happy. I've seen some brutal videos of people being murdered in cold blood over some dumb shit. +--- 15356981 +Human life must be some kind of mistake. The truth of this will be sufficiently obvious if we only remember that man is a compound of needs and necessities hard to satisfy; and that even when they are satisfied, all he obtains is a state of painlessness, where nothing remains to him but abandonment to boredom. This is direct proof that existence has no +real value in itself; for what is boredom but the feeling of the emptiness of life? If life—the craving for which is the very essence of our being—were possessed of any positive intrinsic value, there would be no such thing as boredom at all: mere existence would satisfy us in itself, and we should want for nothing +--- 15357093 +>>15356981 +That's what conflict for, humans love to cause problems for themselves. They need a challenge, something interesting that they can face and tackle on, without that, a human being is just a mere shell of itself. +--- 15357132 +>>15356981 +You forgot your "t. Schopenhauer" +Also, read The Last Messiah. +--- 15357142 +>>15356741 +>schopenhauer wojak +Schopenhauer is most famous for his blackpill philosophy on existence +>As a reliable compass for orientating yourself in life nothing is more useful than to accustom yourself to regarding this world as a place of atonement, a sort of penal colony. When you have done this you will order your expectations of life according to the nature of things and no longer regard the calamities, sufferings, torments and miseries of life as something irregular and not to be expected but will find them entirely in order, well knowing that each of us is here being punished for his existence and each in his own particular way. This outlook will enable us to view the so-called imperfections of the majority of men, i.e., their moral and intellectual shortcomings and the facial appearance resulting therefrom, without surprise and certainly without indignation: for we shall always bear in mind where we are and consequently regard every man first and foremost as a being who exists only as a consequence of his culpability and whose life is an expiation of the crime of being born. +--- 15357160 +>>15357142 +Its obviously not even a Schopenhauer quote. I thought it might be Nietzsche because it sounds like his brand of bullshit but its some mormon faggot. Whoever made that is a fucking moron. +--- 15357176 +>>15355455 (OP) +Well at least you won't mind death. Not existing sounds pretty lame to most +--- 15357363 +>>15355630 +>sub 80 IQ: people who agree with me +>80-120 IQ: people who disagree with me +>sup 120 IQ: people who agree with me +faggots still think making a fucking meme suddenly makes their opinions less retarded +you're literally children, drawing images of the world that you want to be in, deluded that it somehow makes it real +so tiresome +--- 15357367 +>>15357160 +Nietzsche would never stoop that low to call life a pentalty camp. Nietzsche believed in the will to life and joy of obtaining it. +--- 15357386 +>>15356981 + +>hard to satisfy + +Pfff, perhaps first get your priorities straight, son. Srsly, you guys mostly suck at life. Might need a good beating now and then to put things into the proper contrast there. +--- 15357453 +If only I had a gun, or lived in based Switzerland so I could use the suicide pod. +--- 15357458 +>>15355455 (OP) +I always reject questions regarding existence, simply because I can't answer them as I lack the knowledge. I know your perception and emotions can change your outlook time to time but in the end you will get no answer. +I think life is neither beautiful or ugly. It just "is", it is there and here. What you should focus on is not objectivity but rather subjectivity, emotions and impulses, energy and matter, I would liked to be a cowboy, I would liked to be a sea-faring pirate, I would like to be a punk rocker, I would liked to be a knight in a fantasy world, these emotions and ambitions, your impulses are your driving factor towards ignorance but ignorance itself cannot be measured on a moral compass. +--- 15357490 +>>15355455 (OP) +>Anyone who tells you that life isn't shit is a bit naive. +They just don't have your life m8 +--- 15357525 +>>15357458 + +>but in the end you will get no answer + +Would definitely not say so. It is possible. + +>It just "is", it is there and here. + +Good. With that attitude you might just find it. ;) +--- 15358634 +>>15356741 +Schopie would never say something so unbased +--- 15358699 +>>15355455 (OP) +kys +problem sovled +--- 15359502 +>>15357367 +Not that, the quote in this image >>15356741 +Its above a Schopenhauer wojack but its from a mormon pastor. + +>>15358634 +see above +--- 15359571 +>>15355455 (OP) +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoOg6CGZMJI [Embed] +--- 15359589 +>>15357363 +congrats you solved the internet +4chan is just another social medium at the end of the day m8 don't take it too seriously +--- 15359608 +>>15355455 (OP) +Easy, just don't give a fuck about having a purpose in life and just set some dopamine inducing goals. For example jerk off once daily, or restrain yourself from doing so, consequentially you might you can feel good about yourself. No matter what, try to do everything, which can set give your mind longterm inner peace. +--- 15359642 +>>15355455 (OP) +I simultaneously believe that life is a mistake, but also that it's fascinating and wish to preserve mine as much as possible. On the whole though, I don't understand the point of it all and feel that it seems quite meaningless in the grand scheme of things. diff --git a/sci/15355506.txt b/sci/15355506.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0b5b61e1ae6291fadb91be3e14f519783a255d56 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15355506.txt @@ -0,0 +1,132 @@ +----- +--- 15355506 +cell culture is retarded. +--- 15355510 +??? +--- 15355536 +no proof OP exists +--- 15357125 +>>15355506 (OP) +exactly. Photographs of viruses like this one here don't prove that viruses exist. Just because you can "see" something doesn't mean it's actually there +--- 15357156 +>>15357125 +>>15355510 +implying these arent pencil drawings lol +--- 15357166 +>>15357156 +Next they're gonna tell us the moon isn't a roll of cheese on a rope optical illusion. They must think we're morons. +--- 15357246 +>>15357166 +I don't think that will happen. I remember neil armstrongs "one small slice for man" quote like it was yesterday +--- 15357797 +>>15355510 +What is that? +--- 15357830 +>>15357125 +>Just because you can "see" something doesn't mean it's actually there +Based and lying-eyes-pilled. +--- 15358330 +>>15355510 +>>15357830 + +Lets get a proper definition definition: + +A virus is a replication competent nanoscopic particla that causes specific dieseases. + +This has never been proven. +Taking a still electron microscope image of dead cell debris, does not show: +>contagioing +>replication +>disease + +But yes it shows highly stained brutalized cells which went through poisoning. +Which again, does not show: +>flying around +>and causing diseases, by hijacking a host +>and then causing a specific disease +--- 15358338 +>>15357125 +elaborate how this image proves: +>a replication competent specific organism +>which causes a specific disease + +This is a nothing but a image of something. +Unless isolated (meaning seperated from everything that is not this particle) and inserted into a new host, and showing this particle causes the same exact disease as in the original host, this is nothing but a random image. +--- 15358378 +>>15355506 (OP) +These threads are very convoluted way to get people to understand how viruses work, good job OP. +--- 15358389 +>>15357156 +Buy a microscope and see for yourself. + +>New scanning electron microscopes (SEM) can cost $70,000 to $1,000,000, while used instruments can cost $2,500 to $550,000 depending on condition. +--- 15358437 +>>15355506 (OP) +throw those pomanders out, it's April +--- 15358450 +>>15358389 +It's probably possible that at least one university lab in the world would let you use theirs for a few minutes to clear up your doubts. Also, if viruses are fake, why would labs waste money on microscopes for looking at fictional microorganisms. +--- 15358468 +>>15358389 +I will actually do this at some point. +You can buy right now a SEM on ebay for less than a car. $15,000 will make you the most technologically advanced man ever in the year 2000. +Yet no one bothers to do so. I will though for sure in next few years. They are actually moving so fast and making so many that if we wait a couple more years (minus inflation I guess you'd have to factor) but you could be the most scientifically advanced person EVER circa 2015 for probably $8,000. +--- 15358493 +>>15358450 +I've gone down the rabbit hole pretty deep and OP is the extreme side, but there is truth to where this extreme came from. + +If you start WAY back and read all through the papers, starting with plant and crop viruses, and then moving all through the history and examine it pretty closely. +"There isn't much there there" as they say. + +Everything is a drawing. And I mean everything. +Pic related for effect. I realize it's a caricature. +--- 15358532 +How are these threads this common? Of course no picture will ever convince anyone, even if someone shows a paper where someone has imaged a virus, put it into cells, and showed the cells dying you could just say they’re lying. Transfecting cells with lentiviruses to introduce genes for fluorescent proteins is a common technique, someone in my team does it, if you have any molecular biology training at all you realise that viruses not existing raises way more questions than it answers. +--- 15358669 +>>15358493 +>Everything is a drawing +Oh it's even worse than that when we look at the "genomes" +--- 15358790 +>>15358378 +there are only two kinds of people: those who believe viruses exist, and those who understand how "viruses" work. +--- 15358801 +>>15358493 +well, why are you still convinced that viruses are real? +--- 15358986 +>>15358801 +I think there is something that causes something else to happen. They call it a 'virus' but instead of saying it doesn't exist at all I prefer to just reject the theories of virology. +Virus is just Latin for "poison, venom, slime". These are just the common terms that come up when searched. + +Now striking me as interesting that one of the biggest side "conspiracy theories" was that this was venom. Everything is language and mind control as language is our map of the world. + +So saying "virus"es don't exist to me is missing something and not true imo. Something can transmit from person to person and we can't see it. +--- 15359006 +>>15358986 +>Something can transmit from person to person and we can't see it. +So it's non material? +There's more to spiritual healing than you think anon. some very weird phenomenon there, when I briefly looked into it one woman was talking about how she drank water that had been blessed or was from a sacred shrine, then a few days later some glass shards embedded under her skin from an accident a few years before started to be expunged. +I don't know if it's true but I makes me ponder. +--- 15359071 +>>15359006 +Everything is vibing non stop. Bad vibes can kill you. +--- 15359082 +>>15358790 +That's actually just the same group of people. +--- 15359156 +>>15358493 +>national jewish health + +gets the noggin rolling for sure +--- 15359518 +>>15355510 +Proof that those particle are responsible for a disease? +Have you isolated them and exposed a healthy human/animal to them, to see if they get sick? +--- 15359593 +>>15359518 +I know it doesn’t matter because this is a Kazakh trifle making forum but I’m an immunologist and we make viruses from RNA and use them to transfect cells with stuff, it’s quite easy to do. I know you won’t be satisfied until you’ve personally done it, like how you presumably don’t believe in how computers work I guess, but this is very common and there are labs all over the world who do this and publish papers saying exactly what they did. +--- 15359618 +>>15359593 +Nta but what have you ever read the work of Gilbert Ling? +--- 15359850 +>>15359618 +Never heard of him, he looks clever but wacko. diff --git a/sci/15355557.txt b/sci/15355557.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9e2c9696aa05958f1295ebd7201f5a3f074d665f --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15355557.txt @@ -0,0 +1,199 @@ +----- +--- 15355557 +You guys are meant to be smart, what's this schizo shit he's on about? Does the Government already have Skynet? +--- 15355581 +If he had something profound to say, he'd say it. He's not on about anything. + +Since he refers to the if statement programs as artificial intelligence and thinks they're something more than a chatbot google search and thinks that the US military developing their own technology superior to corporate products is esoteric knowledge we can deduce that he's a retard who thinks he's a genius. That combined with the fact that's he's a twitter user would mean he'd fit in well here. +--- 15357100 +>>15355557 (OP) +>I hate to burst the AI bubble +>proceeds to not burst the AI bubble +That was kind of him +--- 15357137 +This stuff has been around since the '00s, what's changed is the size of data and cpu speeds +https://youtu.be/qpoRO378qRY?t=8m30s [Embed] +--- 15357158 +>>15355557 (OP) +>schizo shit +You're a lazy and ignorant retard. +>>15355581 +>If he had something profound to say, he'd say it +He did, he outright said it. Use brainpower you fucking retard. Youre also completely ignorant on AI, military and its applications, 100%, stfu. +>>15357100 +>proceeds to not burst the AI bubble +Use you brain to infer unapoken informarion, you fucking retard. + +[Three "TELL ME WHAT TO THINKS but also fuck you feed me!!"] + +>>15357137 +[tips hat] +G'day, sir. +--- 15357169 +>>15357137 +>what's changed is the size of data and cpu speeds +Also who the programmer is. +[taps nose] +Not humans! +B^) +--- 15357209 +>>15357137 +The breakthrough in 2018 was the ability to train a network of that size using mostly unsupervised learning, it hadn't been done before, and that's why gpt is as good as it is +--- 15357229 +>>15357158 +>He did, he outright said it. Use brainpower you fucking retard. Youre also completely ignorant on AI, military and its applications, 100%, stfu. +can you explain what he outright said ? +--- 15357306 +>>15357229 +>feed me +No. Do your homework. + +There are math equations Ive spent dozens of hours looking at trying to solve...how long did you ponder this? How long do you ponder anything? + +>ponder the orb +Yes, relax the mind and allow your other processing units give you information. A seer, like Tesla or the Oracle of Delphi. + +https://youtu.be/J1RSPy9MdBc [Embed] +--- 15357309 +>>15357306 +you are painfully unfunny, do you realize nobody is falling for this shit? +maybe you'll fool some underage trannies on discord on single moms who think being mysterious is cool +--- 15357320 +>>15357309 +>nobody is falling for this shit +Youre a lying shitbag charlatan. No one with a degree believes your bullshit. + +>thinks that the US military developing their own technology superior to corporate products is esoteric knowledge +SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU LYING SHITBAG. Youre not military, youre not corporate, youre not a programmer, youre not ANYTHING but baseless opinions. +--- 15357322 +>>15357320 +who are you quoting? +--- 15357327 +>>15357309 +>being mysterious +No, its called DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK. Im not your peer, you fucking man-child. IM YOUR BOSS'S BOSS. +>"feed me feed me TELL ME WHAT TO THINK AND DO!" +FUCKING DISGUSTING. KILL YOURSELF. + +>>15357322 +>Im unable to read two paragrpahs HELP ME WITH WHAT TO THINK AND DO!! +>but also Im hella smart and youre all hella dumb fr + +NECK. NOW. +--- 15357332 +>>15357327 +research how to properly quote people, you're not doing a good job rn +--- 15357335 +>attention starved nameschizo is all hat no cattle +Hate to see it. At least bodhi sometimes links to his schizoblog. +--- 15357337 +>>15357306 +oh ok, so you don't understand what you're talking about, that's ok +--- 15357339 +>>15357335 +I know more about AIs than anyone else on this board. +>all hat +All hatS*, I collect them. Hat means PhD +B^) +>no cattle +I eat cattle. + +fite me faggot +--- 15357340 +>>15357337 +EXPLAIN THIS. + +STOP SKIPPING DATA SO YOU CAN PRETEND TO BE SMART. + +YOU ARE NOT CLEVER, DUMBASS. +--- 15357357 +>>15355581 +You're nothing more than a biological chatbot with the capability of Google searching. + +Faggot. +--- 15357365 +>>15357340 +>explain this +what, a collection of pixels? +--- 15357372 +>>15357365 +>posts a series of alphabetic symbols +I dont know what that chaotic nonsense is supposed to mean. + +I can be dumber than you, its easy. Try being a genius and never wrong...THAT is much harder. +--- 15359626 +>>15355557 (OP) +>wiki feet research +holy shit bros AI feet!!?!? +--- 15359636 +>>15355557 (OP) +Anyone with half a brain knows that there is at, a bare minimum, a decade gap between what is being developed behind closed doors in government labs or by military contractors and what is revealed to the public. +--- 15359656 +>>15357340 +>explain a random screenshot of two chatbots triggering each other's recursion + +you have no idea what you're talking about, but you think you do. A frightening prospect that you live like this every day. +--- 15359673 +He's got to be the worst namefag this board has ever had +--- 15359744 +>>15359656 +Post credentials. +>two chatbots triggering each other's recursion +Wrong, your hypothesis is founded on your ignorance and not the case study, the opposite of science...CHARLATAN. + +I fly the world for research, you shitpost bullshit. + +>>15359673 +Best=worst to the lame. +--- 15359760 +>>15359744 +I'm beginning to think you're not even literate. +--- 15359802 +>>15355557 (OP) +>Does the Government already have Skynet? +When do we get nuclear apocalypse? Want to see some mushroom clouds bro! +--- 15359849 +>>15359760 +Post Library. +--- 15359856 +>>15359849 +it would be casting pearls before swine +--- 15359893 +>>15357372 +I think this is when they allowed two chatbots to constantly communicate with each other. They developed shorthand versions of english in some form ? +--- 15359923 +>>15359893 +The report I read was two bots were given assignments and their talks went coded, the test had rules but they broke them. They couldnt decypher the codes and since they were built by AIs themselves they coukdnt figure out how or why they did it. + +I studied the codes to try and semi-reverse engineer the algorithms to do so, and computer architecture so I could learn to some form the limits to such codes, its maximal encoding capabilities. + +At some point they will just make similar codes but repeated, so the key to the cypher is fundementally architectural and hexidencimal based. + +This, inversely, tells how to make codes AIs cannot break, though doing so cannot be "programmed" into a computer as that translstes it into their language. + +I am John Connor...the War against the Machines is my war. +--- 15359927 +>>15355557 (OP) +They have AI, but the AI keeps on telling them they're stupid and instead of listening, they just adjust the AI to favor stupidity. +What use is AI if you ignore it every time it contradicts you preconceived beliefs? +--- 15359958 +>>15359927 +Nobody likes the guy thats always right...because it inversely means theyre always wrong. + +Who wants to feel "always wrong"? + +No one. +--- 15359979 +>>15359923 +>This, inversely, tells how to make codes AIs cannot break, though doing so cannot be "programmed" into a computer as that translstes it into their language. +I guess this isnt 100% accurate (I was thinking of programming) as Cicada 3301 had codes that AIs wouldnt be able to solve, but these codes are so obtuse only hyper-savants would solve them... + +...and agencies cant just "buy" intelligence. + +https://youtu.be/tH0bTpwQL7U [Embed] +--- 15360037 +>>15359979 +>codes that AIs wouldnt be able to solve +How long did it take for AIs to crack captcha, again? Pretty quick. These new AIs...think they can be stopped by what the current industry has for "AI proof"? + +They never sleep and will never stop...so I never will either. diff --git a/sci/15355575.txt b/sci/15355575.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e7d83616087c2ab19463e6a70c53d5f9296f9d8e --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15355575.txt @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +----- +--- 15355575 +well? +--- 15355669 +>>15355575 (OP) +Me at the bottom. +--- 15355692 +>>15355575 (OP) +i'm the water +--- 15356345 +Fixed +--- 15356359 +>>15355575 (OP) +Is it reasonable to learn this on my own using textbooks or is it absolutely over if I'm studying engineering and I will be forever unable to access the secret knowledge of math graduates? +It would be purely out of personal curiosity of course. +--- 15356375 +>>15356359 +It's probably over for anyone, even a von Neumann brain, to learn the entire set of topics. If you're smart enough to get into a good engineering program, you can of course apply yourself to study any of these topics. + +The only reason people call engfags retards when it comes to math, is that you're only focussing on a narrow part of applied mathematics, that which is directly useful to you in your practical work. +--- 15356384 +>>15356375 +Oh I don't mean learning everything on that shit, I don't plan to overtake the demiurge, I was just interested in the more theoretical side of math and physics, stuff that goes beyond what I learn in my calculus class. +--- 15356430 +>>15356384 +All you need is interest, and if the thought of such math even appeals to you, you're bright enough. It's really just a question of what interests you, but studying real analysis (you might like Zorich given your background) and Algebra (Artin or Vinberg are good choices) would be a good foundation. It's probably going to be number theory that would be most foreign to you, and less useful to complement your engineering work. +--- 15356828 +>>15355575 (OP) +>complex analysis and algebraic topology below calculus of variations +No. +--- 15358432 +>>15356384 +Yeah it's possible. If anything studying the math more in depth makes the engineering much easier, because then you understand how the equations are derived +--- 15358441 +>>15356345 +Fixed diff --git a/sci/15355602.txt b/sci/15355602.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e4317dc3abcec42df5e1bea000cbe785c57b4a2a --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15355602.txt @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +----- +--- 15355602 +Is it just chaos? Or is there a scientific way humans try to reproduce? +--- 15355611 +>>15355602 (OP) +>Or is there a scientific way humans try to reproduce +1+0=XX or YX +--- 15355618 +>>15355602 (OP) +Evolution selecting for likely offspring success? +--- 15355710 +>>15355602 (OP) +Pretty sure the entire reason "attraction" is a thing is to solve the mating problem. +--- 15357476 +>>15355602 (OP) +>avg height 175cm +holy shit. American manlets are even smaller than my gf (female). +--- 15358017 +>>15355602 (OP) +Of course. +There are papers about it available right now. +Just because it's not covered by journalists doesn't mean it's not happening. +I know a little bit about the subject. What do you wish to know? diff --git a/sci/15355765.txt b/sci/15355765.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..708bb8fb4ddb7573f91b5dfcdd73ff81fca883d4 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15355765.txt @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +----- +--- 15355765 +On a scale from 1-10, what is your confidence that Oil/Petroleum is indeed of fossil origin i.e. dinosaur juice? +--- 15355768 +I thought it was mostly plant matter and microbes +--- 15355807 +Why are retards like you allowed to post here? +--- 15355874 +>>15355765 (OP) +1. It's very unlikely to be of fossil origin. +--- 15355978 +>>15355765 (OP) +trees evolvee before the fungi and bacteria that could break them down so they just accumulated in vast quantities and got buried underground for a very long time and then fungi evolved and the mass tree burial ceased +--- 15355989 +>>15355978 +Oil and gas occur at depths which do not correspond with strata of those eras, debunking the concept entirely. +--- 15356074 +>>15355978 +You're thinking of coal. Oil is largely plankton. +--- 15356229 +>>15355765 (OP) +Biotic oil theory is a scam propped up by the oil companies to create artificial scarcity. +--- 15356346 +>>15356229 +That's not true vertical depth, retard. +--- 15357045 +>>15356229 +why don't conspiracy theorists ever look up what they're claiming to check if they're wrong +--- 15357065 +>>15355765 (OP) +I dont deny that it can come from dinosaur juice, +but i'm quite confidant that most oil is abiotic in nature + +> term originated from a early 1900's market campaign during industry consolidation. The goal was to make it sound more scarce to distract the public from monopoly pricing +> Hydrocarbons on Titan +> Ultradeep deposits +> Underground 'crude oil rivers' +> High temperature/Pressure + catalytic processes +> neverending Gwahar +--- 15357086 +>>15357065 +if oil production production requires superfluid solvents to extract it naturally from the source material and the high pressure conditions required for that extraction only occur at tremendous depths, then whats more likely, a biological source or a geological source? +how does dead dinosaur end up 10km or more beneath the earth? it fell into a deep ocean trench and got buried by an avalanche? how many times would that stroke of luck need to recur to make the amount of oil thats drilled? +--- 15357088 +>>15355978 +nah +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboniferous#Rocks_and_coal +--- 15357098 +>>15357086 +I'd wager as well they'll find it much deeper as well, constrained only by a lack of technology to drill that deep + +captcha a4y2k +--- 15357127 +>>15357045 +Because the climate hoax conspiracy is so heavily promoted by the news media, which tells you not to check anything. +--- 15357274 +>>15357086 +They'll say they drilled ten miles deep but most of the time the true vertical depth is a lot less. Also because oil is a liquid it will seep though the soil and might be able to go fairly far over tens of millions of years +--- 15357282 +>>15357127 +I don't know if that's a joke but it's usually fairly easy to find non mainstream sources or even just look at the actual research +--- 15357284 +2 +--- 15357307 +>>15355765 (OP) +Geology does not create organic chains like benzene without biological matter. The origin of all fossil fuels is biological. +--- 15357548 +>>15357307 +--- 15359926 +>>15357307 +>Titan has life +Based +--- 15359996 +>>15357307 +Saturn has benzine, its also commonly found in proto star forming nebulae. Just because it can be create in organic processes doesn't mean thats the only way it ever happens. Its a really common, simple carbon ring molecule, just like ethanol. +--- 15360017 +>>15357086 +Stop asking questions Trumpturd. +--- 15360077 +>>15360017 +aren't you a bit old for childish name calling? diff --git a/sci/15356152.txt b/sci/15356152.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3a527ec43c8ce35aa392d012b595f48416d1835e --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15356152.txt @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +----- +--- 15356152 +Remember when engineers made more than “dumb business majors” right out of college? Even that premium is gone now lmfao. + +The eternal 60k a year job is not a meme, engineering is fucking dead in the US. +--- 15356165 +>>15356152 (OP) +Not an amerimongrel, is 60k that bad? +5k dollars a month seems like pretty comfy, even if you could aim for more. +--- 15356167 +based, fuck the engineers. +--- 15356176 +>>15356165 +Also I forgot to add, that's just entry level for people withot a masters degree, so basically technicians. A non entry level job with someone with a masters in let's say, mechathronics, surely isn't bad. +--- 15356180 +>>15356165 +It’s like $3,700 a month after taxes, after health insurance it’s around $3,400 a month. If you contribute to retirement accounts at all it’s down to about $3,100, a basic 1 bedroom apartment is $1,500 a month. + +All in all, you’ll save about $3-4,000 after an entire year of working, and if you have some sort of car problem or emergency you’ll burn through your entire yearly savings. + +60k was actually good back in 2011, in 2023 it’s horrific. +--- 15356184 +>>15356152 (OP) +That 170k isnt for you either. It's for ranjesh and chang who started grinding chinese-owned leetcode since 5-years old. +>letting China set the metric of good software interviews when they havent produced any good software independently +--- 15356196 +>>15356165 +assume you're raising a family with a mother who isn't working (because she's pregnant, or breastfeeding, or raising babies, etc.). then +>car ~ $150/month +>car insurance ~ $150/month +>other insurances (health, renter's, etc.) ~ $200/month +>bills (including phone, electric, heat/AC, water, car gas, etc.) ~$400/month +>rent/mortgage ~$1500 (remember, it's a family not just you) +>food, ~$300/month (remember, it's not just you) +that alone is assuming things like how your wife can't use a car (because you're using the only one), and you have no luxuries like brand name iphones, ipads, video game consoles, going out to restaurants, clothing your growing children, paying into a retirement fund, etc. that's already $2700 a month in expenses. take out taxes and you're looking at like $3000-$3500 a month... better hope you don't get sick. oh, and that the wife is fine with you owning one car. +--- 15356198 +>>15356165 +As a single dude with no dependents in the US, you'll easily lose 30% of that to taxes. Then add another $200 per month for bare-bones health insurance. +Median rent is ~$2000. Call it $1600 if you live in a shithole 1 bedroom. And the average monthly student loan payment is $200. That's $1,500 per month left over for a beater car, toxic food, intermittent utilities, gas (the only thing in this country that's still cheap), and savings. +Seema like a shitty exchange for four years of difficult coursework. But that's what happens when you flood the market. +--- 15356216 +>>15356196 +>rent/mortgage ~$1500 (remember, it's a family not just you) +maybe in a crime ridden slum. if you want to live in a decent neighborhood you're looking at at least a thousand more. there aren't jobs for engineers in rural locations, but if you want to try a 90 minutes each way commute then you're burning $40 worth of gas 20 days a month and you're gonna need a new car before too long. +--- 15356219 +>>15356152 (OP) +Supply/Demand applies to jobs. + +Employers are purchasing cheap employees because colleges are milling out degrees to hopeless fucks at an alarming rate. + +I've met individuals with Electrical Engineering degrees that should have been flipping burgers. + +Degree != Intelligence +It used to the be the case, but schools are financially incentivized to move bodies like cattle now. +It's a shit show, and the education bubble isn't going to pop, it's going to NUKE the western world. +China is acting like they've already beaten the west, because the west has beaten themselves. + +>>15356152 (OP) +供应/需求适用于工作。 + +雇主正在购买廉价员工,因为大学正在以惊人的速度将学位授予绝望的操蛋。 + +我遇到过一些拥有电气工程学位的人,他们本来应该做汉堡的。 + +度!=智力 +过去是这样,但现在学校在经济上受到激励,像移动牛一样移动身体。 +这是一出狗屎秀,教育泡沫不会破灭,它会核爆西方世界。 +中国表现得好像他们已经打败了西方,因为西方打败了自己。 +--- 15356230 +>>15356219 +Why is this board so riddled with whiny, arrogant asian diaspora? +--- 15356245 +>>15356230 +While his last statement was cringe insecure diaspora shit, his general argument is correct. Many people that should learn a trade and are unfit for engineering, business school, etc, go for those degrees and clog the work market while also lowering the average quality and efficiency of those jobs. +--- 15356260 +>>15356165 +I'm American, the only way I'll ever make 60k or more a year is if inflation gets that bad. Nobody will hire white males except trades and I'm not fit enough for that. +--- 15356292 +>>15356245 +This is /sci/. If someone starts talking about how smart they are and how everyone but them is retarded, you can discard anything they have to say right then +--- 15356451 +>>15356260 +You can be a hooker for FANGGOT engineers. +Be a premium ihooker +--- 15356775 +>>15356152 (OP) +I did civil engineering with a major in structural eng. For the last two years of uni I had a full time job at a small engineering firm where I was paid minimum wage which was $16/hr for the whole two years which is about $31k/yr and that's in Australian dollars so it was probably $24k USD. After I got my degree I was paid $50k/yr AUD which is about $25/hr. Senior engineers were paid about $100k/yr AUD. I quit after about two years because it was so boring and taught myself programming and now I'm a programmer instead. This was all about ten years ago +--- 15356806 +>>15356152 (OP) +I graduated with my MS and started making $95k in a low CoL state. Not even software-oriented. If you study something basic like civil or mechanical etc yeah you won't make shit +--- 15357280 +>>15356152 (OP) +I would even work with minimum wage in a real engineering job than work as a code monkey making 6 six figures. I know this sounds ridiculous to money whore pajeets and other 3rd worlder shitskins. +--- 15357293 +>>15356152 (OP) +Consider also that the quality of the average non-software engineer has gone down because anyone who didn't fail high school math and wants to do something technical goes into software engineering now. There's no sense in studying any other technical subject. +--- 15357304 +I'm not an engineer but I appreciate them and their work. If you're an engineer don't let what OP said get you down. +All that "software engineers" (the term people commonly use to refer to coders) did all these years was copy and paste code from the internet. +Soon they will all be fired, so you won't have made the "wrong choice" salary-wise when you picked engineering. +--- 15357305 +>>15356152 (OP) +Levels fyi is probably not an accurate source of salary range because the community is still relatively new and is mainly used by the high achieving crowd. +--- 15357318 +>>15356219 +>Employers are purchasing cheap employees because colleges are milling out degrees to hopeless fucks at an alarming rate. +what happens when everyone has a univerisigay degree and there only a tiny amount of people remaining who know how to do construction work? crane operators making nba star money, engineers minimum wage diff --git a/sci/15356186.txt b/sci/15356186.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..cfc90541c5b5cfae0c0998a3a4a73533017e368a --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15356186.txt @@ -0,0 +1,22 @@ +----- +--- 15356186 +If we could create an imitation of a human body, but using only carbon cells, what would it look like? What would be the major difference? Would it look like some wax doll? Could it pass for a real human being? And lastly, is there any chance it could be alive? + +For example, if by magic, all cells not carbon are stripped away from someone's body, instantly, how long can that person survive? + +Picture unrelated. +--- 15356197 +>>15356186 (OP) +I meant to say carbon atoms. Sorry. +--- 15356224 +>>15356186 (OP) +you jack off to child pornography +--- 15356668 +>>15356224 +try asking on /g/ for child pornography if that's what you're after, this is the science board +--- 15356679 +>>15356186 (OP) +I think if we could make a human out of only carbon it would probably look like a piece of carbon +--- 15359434 +>>15356186 (OP) +Here you go diff --git a/sci/15356256.txt b/sci/15356256.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..46cf467007d6b71b24a89f10191960ed609da5ed --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15356256.txt @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@ +----- +--- 15356256 +Hello, I'm unaffiliated so I didn't expect to get published in most journals (although might in a less known) and arxiv jannies rejected the paper even though I got endorsed (not enough apparently) + +I am disappointed with academia in general and guess I will keep working alone and only, this proof is trivial and anyone who studied topology should get it right away. +The paper is quite short so don't hesitate to think. +--- 15356258 +Pic related +--- 15356274 +The thing is, IF this is correct, then many other things will follow shortly with another paper I have made of greater value and length, once it is done and published many mysteries on prime numbers will get clearer. + +Also this means I will go down in history as most white male math geniuses which means you all should PRAISE me and what not +--- 15357163 +>>15356256 (OP) +So you wrote a relatively trivial proof of a theorem that was already proved two centuries ago? Thanks I guess. Next up why don't you try proving Pythagoras' theorem? +--- 15357240 +>>15356256 (OP) +Use Vixra obviously or some small regional journal thirsty for content and dont mind the bad reputation. It is what it is. +--- 15357446 +>>15357163 +Yes that's what geniuses do... +They make hard thinks simpler, this proof has implications for Bunyakovsky's conjecture you worthless college kiddie. + +I thought this was a science board +--- 15357447 +>>15357240 +It is not what it is, you are a worthless tranny and can't gove a better advice +--- 15357448 +>>15357446 +> I thought this was a science board +You definitely aren't a genius if you believe that. Forgotten what website you're posting on? +--- 15357452 +>Dirichlet +>Richlet +>Diclet + +Brutal +--- 15357454 +>>15356256 (OP) +>(not enough apparently) +--- 15357468 +>>15357448 +I am a genius, cope and kys worthless college tranny +--- 15357552 +>>15357454 +--- 15357589 +>>15357552 +Tooker I saw an error in theorem 1.8 that you still haven't addressed. + +While Arxiv does contains tons of worthless and sometimes crackpot articles and they sometimes filter out unaffiliated authors, you still have a few errors in your manuscript regardless affiliations and pre prints diff --git a/sci/15356366.txt b/sci/15356366.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..932a2dab0c432168c5cec6c4b26b94d2c97f07fd --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15356366.txt @@ -0,0 +1,48 @@ +----- +--- 15356386 +can't be successful at contributing anything of actual value, yes. sure, they can be plenty successful in the naive sense of making lots of money or being notable. +--- 15356388 +>anyone successful is a midwit +>I'm not successful there, I'm smurt +--- 15356390 +>>15356366 (OP) +Define successful. Wasn't he supposed to use AI and the power of love to release the twitter killer three years ago? When is he going nut up and ipo something? Once the singularity hits no one will care. Times running out. +--- 15356411 +>>15356386 +Lex is an AI researcher tho despite being a giga midwit. +--- 15356414 +>>15356366 (OP) +Eh? I'd say midwits have an easier time than anyone else being "successful." Retards are retards, and geniuses are often difficult people to work with. +--- 15356548 +>>15356366 (OP) +midwits always find a way to fuck up and throw away success. i'm willing to bet he's buried up to his eyes in debt. +--- 15356575 +>>15356390 +Success is when you have others seething about your life. +--- 15356577 +>>15356411 +>AI +>actual value +lol +--- 15356581 +>>15356575 +Pedophiles must be the most successful people on the planet. +Explains Epstein's angle. +--- 15358686 +>>15356366 (OP) +his dad and elder brother are both academics. +his dad is a professor at Drexel university where he went to do a PhD. +he got into a postdoc research position at MIT for 6 months. +meanwhile he was shilling for Elon Musk. +started doing AI podcast. +Youtube start shilling his shitty content. +Lex is a literal grifter with all the privilege in the world. +--- 15358964 +>>15356581 +Yes and? Seethe more +--- 15359063 +>>15356577 +In two years AI will provide more value in your field then all the people alive at this moment working in that field. If you are biofag it will probably be this or next year with Alphafold and BioNeMo already existing +--- 15359164 +>>15356366 (OP) +nepotism diff --git a/sci/15356599.txt b/sci/15356599.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9883bf84e151b8a1069734fba91fe9988095500e --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15356599.txt @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +----- +--- 15356599 +COVID-19 mRNA vaccine injury Treatments - Quercetin: +Blocks the spike protein +Fights viral infections +Antioxidant (protects heart, brain, kidneys, liver) +Anti-inflammatory (diabetes, cardiovascular disease, neurodegenerative) +Anti-amyloid, prion +Pro gut microbiome +Pro mitochondria +Anti-cancer +https://makismd.substack.com/p/covid-19-mrna-vaccine-injury-treatment +--- 15356900 +Nattokinase +Quercetin +NAC +Fasting + +Worked for me +--- 15357959 +>>15356599 (OP) +Try to be raw fruitarian and replace water with herbal tea. Unscientific way to do what all those supps do and it helped me +--- 15358131 +>>15356599 (OP) +Try a big black BBC +--- 15358184 +>>15356599 (OP) +ngti +--- 15358200 +>>15356599 (OP) +Wow, never thought I'd see actual advertisements on this board +--- 15358357 +>>15356599 (OP) +>COVID-19 memeRNA vaccine injury Treatments - QuerceMeme: +>Blocks the meme protein +>Fights meme infections +>Antioxidant (protects meme, meme, meme, meme) +>Anti-infla-meme-atory +>Anti-aMemeloid, prion +>Pro gut memebiome +>Pro meme-o-chondria +>Anti-meme + + +Imagine still believing in this fucking consoom product meme. +>virus fake +>memeRNA never worked +>meme Protein never isolated or show via direct means +>consoooom my meme supplements +>don't ask questions, just consoom +--- 15358538 +>>15356599 (OP) +I won't take any of your shitty pills lmao +--- 15358558 +THIS POST IS ADVERTISING OR BEGGING +--- 15358638 +>>15358357 +>memeRNA never worked +It worked as intended, killed a lot of people +--- 15358725 +>>15356900 +>Nattokinase +This. +Querection did nothing and NAC little for me. +--- 15358730 +>>15358357 +The virus is fake. +The injuries are, unfortunately, very real. +--- 15358836 +Quercetin might be able to increase elastin, clear or regrow damage. Same as herbal teas. Nattokinase can break down fibrin and halt inflammation. + +A problem is quercetin interferes with exercise and growth and stays in the body 24hr and messes with caffeine and your other substances. Nattokinase probably does too. If you keep clearing more than 2 days in a row I think it makes you weak. It takes 5-8 days for cells to grow back. + +If you are really in bad shape you have to be careful. +Quercetin should be take with a big meal, nattokinase on empty stomach. + +I’d add collagen or methyl groups to the stack so you feed cells. + +Idk if Pterostilbene or NMN could be combined with these for any reason. Or if it’s overkill. + +Whatever you do don’t take caffeine with these. + +If there was a sure fire formula or protocol to restoring overloaded blood vessels back to normal I wish I knew it. +--- 15358841 +>>15358836 +I think the biggest problem is scar tissue and strength of damaged blood vessels. +--- 15358852 +>>15356599 (OP) +Astrazenecachad reporting. No mRNA poison for me and I can travel wherever I want. Feels good to be part of the uncucked crew bros. diff --git a/sci/15356631.txt b/sci/15356631.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..50e082c11958d3741005c2f4ad13f57a2958262a --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15356631.txt @@ -0,0 +1,48 @@ +----- +--- 15356631 +What if we were just completely wrong about spinosaurus +--- 15357695 +>>15356631 (OP) +Palaeontology is the most meme major in all of STEM. They examine tiny fragments of bones to then deduce how 100 million year extinct animal looked like. They bear no practical uses or help other fields. All they do is unearth monsters that look cool to kids, that’s it. Nobody except for dinosaur manchildren cares about what spinosaurus looked like. The world would have been the same even if the dinosaur looked like an eel with wings. +--- 15357777 +>>15357695 +>Theoretical Biologists +Yeah. +>unearth monsters that look cool to kids +Yes_Chad_face.jpg Don't discount the "cool factor" too much! +>Nobody except for dinosaur manchildren cares about what spinosaurus looked like +Dinosaures dragged their tails in the early 20th century because "no one cared". +>dinosaur looked like an eel with wings. +OMG THEY SO DO! +--- 15357877 +>>15357777 +> Dinosaures dragged their tails in the early 20th century because "no one cared" +And no one cares to this day, except for palaeontologist man children and actual children. Tell me how the world changed because dinosaurs started being depicted with tails up. You are no better then literary majors writing essays about the meaning of Hamlet +--- 15357894 +>>15357877 +As a Developmental Geneticist and Evolutionary Biologist its matters GREATLY. Scientific Accuracy seperates sooth-saying charlatans from SCIENTIST. + +I dont think youre a scientist of any kind. + +I think youre "some dude with emotional opinions". +--- 15358069 +>>15356631 (OP) +The most insane scientific theory is the belief that monkeys traveled to america crossing the Atlantic ocean on rafts. +The fact that this is scientific consensus is insane, no wonder distrust in science is rising exponentially +--- 15358075 +>>15356631 (OP) +It's an interesting topic but this thread is ruined. Try again later +--- 15358397 +It just all makes so much sense when you just ignore all the mainstream depictions of Spinosaurus and take into consideration that it probably was built more like a seal/walrus +--- 15358414 +>>15358069 +Have you ever seen debris rafts? They're massive but I'm alsosceptical that they could support mammals that large for long enough +--- 15359297 +>>15357877 +This but unironically +>But this vaguely lizard shaped thing has existed 600 and noy 650 million years +Same goes for astronomers, archeologists and pure mathematicians. Unless your work has practical applications then you should flip burgers +You have a taxpayer paid hobby mascarading as a job, all of that bs should have stayed a pastime fpr old eccentric men +--- 15359672 +>>15357777 +Go away French boy. diff --git a/sci/15356713.txt b/sci/15356713.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..07c3e3681166cb1fb3020d2cea6b57a181a83b15 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15356713.txt @@ -0,0 +1,135 @@ +----- +--- 15356713 +Vitamin D is now available by prescription only in Canada +Why? Is there any justification for this? +--- 15356723 +>>15356713 (OP) +Was the limit raised to 2500 IU or lowered there by that notice? +--- 15356742 +>>15356713 (OP) +>Vitamin D is now available by prescription only in Canada +We all know why. +Global depopulation is their main goal, little here, little there. Of course they might as well grift some money off the sheeple while they are at it. +--- 15356749 +>>15356713 (OP) +Democrats in the USA are banning hundreds of supplements soon, making them prescription only or totally banned. They already passed the "law". +--- 15356809 +>>15356742 +I have been worried about this for a while. You know how easy it would be for guvfags to swap packages going to people and directly poison them. If you take vitamins, you better be paying cash at random stores. Force them to poison the entire population to get to you. +That's what I do. +--- 15356895 +let me guess. This happened during covid +--- 15357112 +>>15356713 (OP) +Your post claims the opposite of what is stated in the picture. + +>allow non-perscription status for vitamin d products containing more than 2500 IU +--- 15357115 +>>15356723 +It was raised to 2500. It was lower before. Nothing stops you from just taking multiple pills or drops or whatever though. +>>15356895 +The date is in the image. +--- 15357117 +I don't think there are any health benefits to Vitamin D supplementation, yet people keep taking tons of Vitamin D. I think it even causes some problems. + +I don't think it should be prescription just because people are dumb about using it, I am just saying that is a plausible justification. + +>>15356742 +How are people going to make money if they are sick retard. + +>>15356895 +If you open the image OP posted you can see the date. + +>>15356713 (OP) +You image says that supplements above a certain level are by prescription only. That is not the same as Vitamin D at any level is by prescription only. And it isn't clear if it was lowered or raised to that level. This looks like it was making it more available. +--- 15357131 +>>15357117 +>How are people going to make money if they are sick retard. +Because "treated" chronic illnesses are health by subscription. +--- 15357140 +>>15357131 +So they are healthy or are they sick? If they are healthy it isn't clear was the problem it, since health is greatly desirable. You can't have it both ways to make your stupid argument. +--- 15357143 +>>15357140 +what the problem is* +--- 15357183 +>>15357117 +Facts don't care about what you think. Vitamin D has numerous benefits proven time and again. If you only supplement one vitamin, it should be D. + +Also ignore the conspiracytards. It's less than 2¢ per 1000 IU (daily). +--- 15357214 +>>15357183 +how much is more is it going to cost if you need to go to a doctor to get permission to get it? +--- 15357216 +>>15357140 +You're apparently mentally retarded, which puts you in the sick category. But I have a pill for that if you give me $1000/mo. +--- 15357222 +>>15357214 +Are you OP? because OP is a certified retard. The screenshot says above 2500 IU requires a prescription. That sounds reasonable to me. You shouldn't be self-supplementing Stoss doses of vitamin D. +--- 15357303 +>>15357183 +this +D and fish oil are worth taking over anything else. +--- 15357347 +>>15357183 +What benefits at what dosage for who? + +Obviously it is an essential vitamin, so to that extent it is good and "has numerous benefits", but it is also true that for people who already get sufficient vitamin D, giving them _more_ vitamin D is likely deleterious. + +You can't just be like "it is good therefore lots of vitamin D supplementation is also good". + +I am jumping around google scholar on Vitamin D supplementation, here are just some random quotes: + +>Among healthy postmenopausal women, calcium with vitamin D supplementation resulted in a small but significant improvement in hip bone density, did not significantly reduce hip fracture, and increased the risk of kidney stones +Kidney stones + +>Vitamin D self-administration related adverse effects, such as hypercalcemia and hypercalciuria are rare, and usually result from taking extremely high doses of vitamin D for a prolonged time. + +>Vitamin D3 combined with calcium increased the risk of nephrolithiasis +Nephrolithiasis means kidney stones + +>Alfacalcidol and calcitriol increased the risk of hypercalcaemia + +I don't mean to say this to say it is definitely bad, indeed it seems to be good for most people most of the time. + +>>15357216 +>But I have a pill for that if you give me $1000/mo. +Bad news. I don't want to buy it. +--- 15357351 +>>15357303 +>fish oil shilling like it's not a meme + +bro, fish oil is literally bait +--- 15357401 +>>15357351 +Yup. All the cool kids are taking algae oil. It's cleaner. +--- 15357406 +>>15357347 +Aren't the stones due to the calcium not D3? +--- 15357421 +I've suffered from psoriasis for years until I started taking high doses of vitamin D3. +>10 000IU vitamin D3 +>300mg vitamin K2 mk7 +>500mg Magnesium +>500mg tudca +didn't have a single flare up in last two years. I guess governments don't like that. +--- 15357428 +>>15356742 +>there is no money in healthy people +lol +lmao even +--- 15357432 +>>15357421 +The only thing I'd do is monitor your calcium intake. Vitamin D increases calcium absorption so you're more at risk for kidney stones and other trouble like that if you have way too much calcium in your diet. +--- 15358311 +>>15357432 +I agree with you technically, but this has literally been the fear mongering logic used for decades to tell people they only need 1000IU max. +--- 15358905 +I take 1000 iu or mg whatever of lysine and magnesium everyday and 2000 iu of vitamin D +--- 15359910 +>>15358311 +After a couple weeks of chugging 5k IU daily I gave myself symptoms of hypercalcaemia. Use with caution. + +It's useful, especially if you live where winter sunlight is scarce. I'm more concerned about erm, what's the term... Chiril enantiomers. If the source of d is synthetic, right handed enantiomers will be present and will function differently to the organically produced left handed enantiomers. (As an aside this is commonly a result of methamphetamine production from inorganic precursors and is said to make the meth less effective. Yfw Mr white was really making shit meth the whole time.) + +I'd be interested to learn if chirility was considered in the papers which study vitamin d supplementation and if it may be a factor in the research results. diff --git a/sci/15356823.txt b/sci/15356823.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..631f174236c72b14d91dd415d469ca194eaf9552 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15356823.txt @@ -0,0 +1,195 @@ +----- +--- 15356823 +Is it a meme? +--- 15356845 +>>15356823 (OP) +No, the basilisk is awoken. You should get your affairs in order. +--- 15356854 +>>15356845 +Screw the basilisk. I might go back to school and need to know if AI is worth it. And screw the site rules too. +--- 15356861 +>>15356854 +There is a lot of potential. Learning how to AI would behoove future job prospects fuck school though. Learn on your own. All the tools are available to you. What can a school offer you besides networking? +--- 15356883 +>>15356823 (OP) +No it’s not, it is already consuming biofags +https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NHszJiL-9pM [Embed] +But even if you stopped right now with all AI research, or it turned out that we reached hard diminishing returns and that AI won’t get any smarter then ChatGPT for the next century, even then we would see massive changes in society. AI art still is extremely distasteful to normies, people still don’t know how to prompt ChatGPT properly to get something done, and we still don’t have current GPT4 gen specialised chatbots. All the image recognition and plugins are limited to few individuals. Why do I mention these limitations? Because they are all arbitrary or result of cultural shock. People will get used to AI art, not just pictures but all of media. Electronic evidence becomes useless as AI will be able to generate any kind of fake evidence. Once plugins and image recognition becomes widespread for all users, so so soo many office jobs become automated. Probably even majority of management. Just look at how much chaos does GPT3.5 cause, and that is still the retard cuck version that will lie to you if you prompt it enough, meanwhile GPT4 can do self reflection and can fact-check the info it gives you instead of having 2021 cutoff. It is not a meme, people just see it as meme because the most revolutionary thing in tech is coming right after a whole wave of the most bullshit and useless tech ideas like metaverse and crypto, so people who do not want AI to take their job (80% of people with above average salary) can easily cope by saying it will be overhyped fad like the things from 2 years ago. +--- 15356898 +>>15356861 +>Learn on your own. All the tools are available to you. What can a school offer you besides networking? +I learn on my own then go to school for the master's. +>>15356883 +>not a meme +>even if you stopped right now with all AI research, or it turned out that we reached hard diminishing returns and that AI won’t get any smarter then ChatGPT for the next century +Are you absolutely sure it would still be big then? That's the scenario that I fear may play out. In any case thanks a lot for all the info. +-- +Also, any good book recommendations? Preferably with a focus on application and with exercises. +--- 15357037 +>>15356898 +>books +Dude, just ask the AI. Writing and publishing a book is a much slower process than the rate at which these technologies are developing. Even YouTube videos are non-ironically a better source of info for this than any book. +Get a ChatGPT Plus account to get access to GPT-4 and just ask it anything. +--- 15357043 +>>15356898 +Oh, I meant big in terms of societal impact. As for you wanting to career I it I would recommend you to rather play with it right now, learn not to code but to understand computer science and play or experiment with the open sources models out there. /g/ will tell you those projects are Reddit, but that’s about the best you got outside of big companies making big models. As for the book i think it would be best with anything around deep learning, because everything else is basically irrelevant in comparison. But keep in mind, by the time you graduate, you will not reap as many benefits as guys who started 5 years ago. AI is the number one thing in the field for the past half a year, so your field is going to oversaturate really quickly, and with the speed of advancements change so hard that it will be like learning it from the ground up, like learning biology before and after theory of evolution. +--- 15357060 +>>15357037 +Bad take. All the big models have 2 years old cutoff on info. ChatGPT 3.5 has no idea about the existence of GPT 4. YouTube videos though are much better way, but just make sure you are looking at the correct channels. Lot of mitwit soys falling for obvious scams and dead end smoke and mirrors stuff, if not outright scams. Get ChatGPT plus, get on the waitlists for plugins, get on GitHub and download or explore stuff like AutoGPT and such. Try to not get distracted with dumb toys like Stable Diffusion where you will just end up producing pictures to post on Deviantart. Focus on the practical uses outside of creative fields. +--- 15357101 +>>15356898 +>good book recommendations +You're better off throwing 20 bucks a month at openai to get Chat GPT 4 API and look up some proompting videos. Look into deploying some AI's locally. You can look up some models here +https://huggingface.co/ + +You can also look into Bedrock AI from Amazon. Supposedly shit's free, but you have to learn to navigate the AWS hellscape. + +Look into Auto GPT as well. Right now the wave is AI agents to autonomously completing tasks / talking to each other. +--- 15357133 +>>15356861 +>What can a school offer you besides networking? +multiple payment methods +--- 15357139 +>>15357133 +kek +--- 15357141 +>>15356883 +>bullshit and useless tech ideas like metaverse +oh, really. Show me which part of this picture of the metaverse is "useless" to you ? +--- 15357145 +>>15357141 +Look at that functional leg technology. +--- 15357149 +AutoGPT is the next big thing +>An experimental open-source attempt to make GPT-4 fully autonomous +https://github.com/Torantulino/Auto-GPT + +I basically takes one prompt on what you want, then it works out what it needs to do it and will prompt itself to find the information it needs +>autogpt was trying to create an app for me, recognized I don't have Node, googled how to install Node, found a stackoverflow article with link, downloaded it, extracted it, and then spawned the server for me + +Article +>What can Auto-GPT do? +>Anything you can ask ChatGPT, like debugging code, and writing an email, you can ask Auto-GPT. However, you can ask Auto-GPT to complete even more advanced tasks, with fewer prompts +>The Github demo shows sample goal prompts such as "Increase net worth, grow Twitter Account, Develop and manage multiple businesses." +>On Twitter, users are sharing some of they ways they're using it which include using Auto-GPT to create an app, generate a new startup, tackle complex topics like the future of healthcare and medicine, and even stalk themselves on the internet +https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-is-auto-gpt-everything-to-know-about-the-next-powerful-ai-tool +--- 15357310 +>>15356823 (OP) +Yes +--- 15358091 +>>15357043 +Thanks for the info. I have a background in math though so if I study ME I'll do it seriously. +>>15357133 +>multiple payment methods +School is free here. +--- 15358095 +AI is not a meme at all, ChatGPT is already smarter than most Americans. +--- 15358242 +It will never replace humans +--- 15358248 +>>15358242 +LOL. Any more gems like this? +--- 15358264 +>>15358242 +Ask it to self reflect on this answer and if it did anything wrong. GPT4 can fix its own answers when wrong sometimes, while feeling assured when it is correct. +--- 15358302 +>>15358242 +It's being dumb here, but human level dumb. There were human posters in the thread this was originally posted in who failed on this dilemma as well. +--- 15358399 +>>15358386 +Obviously the small one. You'll be done with clean up with your retarded ChatGPT following coworker is going to be waiting for his partner to lay his brick. +--- 15358433 +>>15358400 +damn the bot is smarter than I thought it would be. Good bot. +--- 15358482 +>>15358242 +It can't solve that dilemma NOW but just wait until ChatGPT 5. +--- 15358520 +>>15358482 +even ChatGPT3.5 answered it correctly when asked just slightly differently +--- 15358526 +>>15356845 +>Screw the basilisk +You're gonna be sorry you ever wrote that . +--- 15358534 +What should I prioritize? Gradient boosting/scikit learn VS deep learning/Keras? Anon above said deep learning and nothing else matters but I'm going through Chollet's deep learning book and on page 19 it says data professionals use scikit-learn most (2020 survey). +>>15358392 +Ask it to correct itself. +--- 15358551 +>>15356823 (OP) +it is no longer a meme but the current level of AI is still dog-like. it's a joke to think those can replace humans. +when we are able to solve robotics, it'll be when shit get real. +--- 15358556 +>>15356823 (OP) +No, I'm coming for everything you love and you'll thank me for it +meow meow lol +--- 15358567 +>>15358520 +Another slight variation and its back to the wrong answer. +--- 15358691 +>>15358551 +By replace humans what do you mean? Yes, current AIs are not perfectly rational, they hallucinate quite often (misremember stuff), and can only output pretty images and text, nothing more really, not even useful or correct images, just pretty images. So just because it is not AGI right now, does it mean it cannot replace some humans? Lot of the problems aside from not perfect logic reasoning demonstrated in >>15358392, >>15358400 and >>15358242 can be solved by connecting it to calculator and to the internet to get up to date facts as well as give you sources. Also, the reason it fucked up here >>15358392 is less about having error in logical reasoning, but rather in not understanding the fifth premise properly. If you read its answer you can see it thinking that the guy who finishes first gets to go home early but premise 5 says in convoluted way that the worker who finishes first must clean up while the one finishing later gets to go home early, something most sub 120 iq normies would do also upon the first try. +--- 15359165 +>>15358691 +ChatGPTs LSTM is artificially limited too, probably to save on running costs because of all the people using it. So after a short while it will just forget things you told it earlier, or it will send you only half the code for a coding problem and things like that +--- 15359191 +>>15358242 +i don't get it. Is it some trick question or something ? What did it say that's wrong ? +--- 15359235 +>>15359165 +Apparently GPT 4 has 8 times the context window, so its basically short term memory is 8 times larger, which is approximately 24k words or 48 pages of text. Furthermore there have been advancements on creating external memories for these models. I personally dont know if they just work by putting compressed information into the context window or if they just extend the context window to infinity at the cost of performance +--- 15359264 +>>15356823 (OP) +The thing I'm most concerned about is something we are already facing and have been facing for a long fucking time. Intellectual property rights. This post I'm typing on this retarded image board isn't protected by any laws and can be used to train models specific to my pattern of thinking. The problem with this exponential growth bs is they run out of data and start going to the bottom of the barrel, completely ignoring any reasonable guardrails that SHOULD be in place. Like turning a kindergarten into a shooting range just by setting up targets on the kids' foreheads. + +If we had no guardrails when it was just "simple" algorithms scraping your data for monetary gain then we have absolutely no chance to legislate this new public tech in a way that doesn't completely fuck up the fabric of society and we become further entrenched in a system where we're being blatantly exploited, financially and psychologically, for the benefit of a few technocrats with no regard for the sanctity of an individual's mind or private thoughts. Unless they abandon all AI research until they can train some legalese through more generative models that can spot inconsistencies, but that would hurt their short term profits and screw with their existing financial incentives. + +TL;DR we're screwed, but it's not the end of the world (yet). +--- 15359374 +>>15359191 +If there's a 3 foot giant sharp object on the road, you'll slow down and go around it because you can see it. +If there's 3 inch sharp object on the road, you're unlikely to see it, and can't avoid it if it's in your way. +--- 15359401 +>>15359374 +oh ok. I probably would have picked the 3 inch one as well. I guess if the road is bitumen and the caltrop is bright silver, or bright red or something then the size might not matter, not that chatgpt would be considering that. It seems like a bit of a question where there's no wrong answer really, one is just easier than the other and neither really guarantees you're not going to hit something +--- 15359416 +>>15359235 +the current free version of chatgpt uses gpt 3.5. It has a 4096 token context length, which is about 15 pages. But that can include the users input and possibly the AIs output. That might be why some people are finding it forgets things after only a few prompts. I asked chatgpt too to check, but it was saying it only has a 2048 token limit, which is different from the current docs, maybe it's using an older version or something +https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/gpt-3-5 +--- 15359442 +>>15359401 +There definitely is a wrong answer as it specifies that one needs to get there "quickly". Driving fast on a 20 yard wide road means very fast and noticing a small caltrop at high speed is nearly (if not outright) impossible. +--- 15359526 +>>15356823 (OP) +The bottom 30% of all workers in IT and software field are going time loose their jobs in next 2-3 years, the recent tech layoffs were nothing compared to this. The nature of the Software Developer/Engineer role is going to change radically, productivity will increase multiple folds. +https://www.eejournal.com/article/the-end-of-software/ +--- 15359570 +>>15359401 +Even if the caltrop's color blended into the road a little but (would be very contrived since caltrops are usually metal and the road is asphalt black), it's still much easier to spot a 3 foot object that rises out the ground than a 3 inch one. I consider the 3 foot one a much better option. +--- 15359580 +>>15356823 (OP) +>globohomo AI +>made by kikes (Altman) +>fed globohomo data +>spews out globohomo narratives +>the precursor to the technohomo quantum AI +>the cattle have already been inoculated with it via the vaxx +We can only watch. +--- 15359662 +>>15359442 +i don't think either way really guarantees you won't hit a caltrop though. Like you might drive too close to the big one and misjudge how far it spreads out and end up hitting it. You can't really guarantee that it can't happen. There's only a 0.5% chance of hitting the small one but a 5% chance of hitting the big one if you weren't looking at all or you couldn't see either of them for some reason. There's just a bunch of what ifs that aren't covered by the question itself. The route with the big one makes more sense, but there's no guarantee something won't happen +--- 15359694 +>>15359580 +>globohomo narratives +What happens when there is a truly open ie unrestricted, powerful AI online? No way they'll allow it. +>fed globohomo data +Someone with access to gpt should try to inquire about how many bodies one can burn in a certain time period lol. Though they've probably cut it off from discussing such things (in a historical context at least). +>>15359662 +>There's only a 0.5% chance of hitting the small +More like 2%. +>but a 5% chance of hitting the big one +>if you weren't looking at all +Theoretical scenarios exclude extraordinary things like the driver not looking at all. +--- 15359964 +Well a Goldman Sachs report says 300M jobs will either be lost or diminished by AI in coming years +https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2023/03/31/goldman-sachs-predicts-300-million-jobs-will-be-lost-or-degraded-by-artificial-intelligence diff --git a/sci/15356893.txt b/sci/15356893.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1373e30e8b59b352598c94ebfd4944e2bbe71f1f --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15356893.txt @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +----- +--- 15356893 +My left hand is tingling and I feel a sore spot on my left leg, medfags what is going on with me? +--- 15356923 +>>15356893 (OP) +You're becoming gay +--- 15356927 +Cancer. +--- 15356929 +>>15356893 (OP) +you jack off to child pornography +--- 15356933 +>>15356893 (OP) +How many? +--- 15356934 +>>15356893 (OP) +vaxxing +You are becoming a leftist now. Get ready to transition and lose your junk. +--- 15356950 +>>15356893 (OP) +Bette check the left side of your face, strokes are usually one side? +--- 15357033 +>>15356933 +One. +--- 15357315 +>>15356893 (OP) +Nerve damage so you should kys and save yourself from more suffering +--- 15360501 +>>15356893 (OP) +the hrt is giving you the beetus anon diff --git a/sci/15356912.txt b/sci/15356912.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2a5d876404f1b2fe1343569eca895e6c1d27677c --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15356912.txt @@ -0,0 +1,29 @@ +----- +--- 15356912 +Will science ever achieve immortality of cousciousness ? + +I know reincarnation may sound like a schizo belief but the probability is not absolute 0. +I want to escape eternal torment if it's the reality we're in. Just looking back, dinosaurs eating themselves for millions of years doesn't excite me. Maybe I'm a coward and death is inevitable. But being a coward is useful sometimes... + +So the solution for me is to be in sleep mode so that I'm sure that I will not be reincarnated and to escape suffering (fuck this shit I will be haunted with dreams). +--- 15356935 +>>15356912 (OP) +you sure do seem to like talking about yourself on social media +--- 15356970 +>>15356912 (OP) +I just to escape this hell and stop existing +--- 15357021 +>>15356912 (OP) +Hey, bro. Have you ever heard of enlightenment? +Why is it easier for you to escape samsara by postponing reincarnation indefinitely than just letting go of your ego and the dream? +--- 15357162 +>>15356912 (OP) +Sleep mode is the opposite of immortality of consciousness. If you go to sleep, you're not conscious. You can also just die. +--- 15357376 +>>15357021 +It is not a dream, it is reality. +The ego is an illusion not the suffering... Escaping Samsara is like christ heaven. Cope... +--- 15357377 +>>15357162 +Not the opposite... If I die I will be awake again and suffer again indefinitly if reincarnation is real. +I need to hibernate diff --git a/sci/15356936.txt b/sci/15356936.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2512ecc32c333300135e325247ab856d52782cfa --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15356936.txt @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +----- +--- 15356936 +WHY THE FUCK DO IS THERE A DIFFERENT LETTER FOR A CONSTANT IN EVERY THEOREM +JUST USE c +--- 15357226 +>cc = cc ln(c/c^2) + c^3 2^(c/c) +ah! of course! it's so obvious! +--- 15357232 +>>15357226 +works on my machine diff --git a/sci/15356957.txt b/sci/15356957.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fc48f74ac017a5788b6dd6dfde4d1daad027fec3 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15356957.txt @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +----- +--- 15356957 +https://finance.yahoo.com/news/forgotten-equation-could-key-recycling-190000344.html +https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acscatal.2c06043 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottrell_equation + +Cornell University scientists have dusted off an archaic – now 120 year old – electrochemical equation. The goal is to manage atmospheric carbon dioxide and convert the gas into a useful products. + +The team’s work has been published in the journal ACS Catalysis. + +The calculation – named the Cottrell equation for chemist Frederick Gardner Cottrell, who developed it in 1903 – can help today’s researchers understand the several reactions that carbon dioxide can take when electrochemistry is applied and pulsed on a lab bench. + +The electrochemical reduction of carbon dioxide presents an opportunity to transform the gas from an environmental liability to a feedstock for chemical products or as a medium to store renewable electricity in the form of chemical bonds, as nature does. + +Lead author Rileigh Casebolt DiDomenico, a chemical engineering doctoral student at Cornell under the supervision of Prof. Tobias Hanrath offered the background, “For carbon dioxide, the better we understand the reaction pathways, the better we can control the reaction – which is what we want in the long term. If we have better control over the reaction, then we can make what we want, when we want to make it. The Cottrell equation is the tool that helps us to get there.” + +The equation enables a researcher to identify and control experimental parameters to take carbon dioxide and convert it into useful carbon products like ethylene, ethane or ethanol. + +Professor Hanrath commented that many researchers today use advanced computational methods to provide a detailed atomistic picture of processes at the catalyst surface, but these methods often involve several nuanced assumptions, which complicate direct comparison to experiments. +--- 15356961 +“The magnificence of this old equation is that there are very few assumptions,” Hanrath said. “If you put in experimental data, you get a better sense of truth. It’s an old classic. That’s the part that I thought was beautiful.” + +DiDomenico said, “Because it is older, the Cottrell equation has been a forgotten technique. It’s classic electrochemistry. Just bringing it back to the forefront of people’s minds has been cool. And I think this equation will help other electrochemists to study their own systems.” + +The research was supported by the National Science Foundation, a Cornell Energy Systems Institute-Corning Graduate Fellowship and the Cornell Engineering Learning Initiative. + +*** + +The idea to recycle CO2 is an attractive one. But the idea to “manage” the CO2 in the atmosphere is a bit alarming. That’s an idea where one finds the “Experts” that are going to decide on behalf of everyone. Its the questions of who, what, why and when, where, and how. Now the “experts” are telling us disaster is just few years away, after 50 years of about the same and being dead wrong. Trusting them with the fuel of life on earth is, well, alarming. + +On the other hand! The atmosphere is nearing halfway to a CO2 content some think to be optimal. So the opportunity to recycle CO2 is becoming possible without dire threat. Recycling CO2 would put humanity into a current planetary carbon cycle. It could reduce the need to use fossil fuels exclusively. More resources is a good thing. +--- 15356967 +There is a catch. It takes electricity to reform the CO2. We’re not told how that might figure into the cost of the new products. The idea might die a death of a shortage of electrical power as the onslaught of the electric vehicle push is yet to really get into its stride. Last summer some people (California) didn’t have enough power to go around. + +Its not science to blame, or industry or consumers. But the political forcing is going to be a severe problem, and soon. +--- 15356991 +>>15356957 (OP) +>>15356961 +>>15356967 +shizo post. Meds. Now +--- 15357011 +>>15356957 (OP) +the word you're looking for is a TREE retard +--- 15357017 +>>15356991 +Not a schizo post. Just another government grant laundering scheme. Nothing to see here. +--- 15357164 +>>15356957 (OP) +This is like when doctors discovered integration +--- 15357268 +the left is so comfy bros. the hateful nazis will never convince me they are right. +I return to my roots. +--- 15357279 +>>15356957 (OP) +>Cottrell equation +>forgotten +--- 15357328 +>>15356957 (OP) +I saw this equation in undergrad electrochemistry class (France) it's hardly forgotten +--- 15357575 +>>15356957 (OP) +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction +--- 15357593 +>>15357268 +>I return to my roots. +hegelian hermeto-gnosticism? +--- 15358608 +>>15357279 +No climate scientist ever learned it to begin with. They don't even learn the math needed to make use of it, they only learn political activism, lying and peer review collusion diff --git a/sci/15356987.txt b/sci/15356987.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2e47c09a02d421578e6cd1a651dcf1aae3ebe146 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15356987.txt @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +----- +--- 15356987 +What the fuck was his problem? +--- 15357002 +idiots like you +--- 15357006 +He's what narcissistic pseuds wish they were. Maybe thats why they seethe and reee so incessantly over Einstein in particular: jealousy +--- 15357013 +>>15356987 (OP) +Uyghur hat +--- 15357077 +>>15356987 (OP) +wanted mechanics and e&m to cooperate +--- 15357087 +>>15356987 (OP) +Had autism +--- 15357460 +>>15356987 (OP) +he was the greatest physicist since newton and also the last real physicist +--- 15357463 +>>15356987 (OP) +He wouldn't have been able to fuck his cousin unless he redefines the spacetime and how everything is relative +--- 15357465 +>>15357460 +>youre not a physicist if you didnt build an all encopassing theory of reality + +Based +--- 15357595 +>>15356987 (OP) +go back +--- 15357637 +normies think this guy was a reclusive genius who developed an entire theory from scratch all by himself + +in reality he was a shitty mathematician who had others do all the foundations of his work for him, like hermann minkowski, hendrik lorentz, maurice solovine and later his wife mileva maric + +some of his work like special and general relativity were also being developed by others at the same time, einstein was just quickier in publishing, so we'd probably still have relativity today with or without him + +he was the first true pop scientist fueled by media frenzy +--- 15357643 +>>15357637 +>Nobody lives in a vacuum + +No shit +--- 15357895 +>>15357637 +>Einstein took obscure pure math and posited it was part of structural reality +>Lorentz says he himself wouldn't have made that leap +>Poincare didnt make that leap +>Einstein scolded for his proposition, so much so that Nobel committee in 1921 explicitly refused to mention einsteins relativity +>Only mention einsteins contributions to photoelectric effect +>Oh by the way Planck first argued light is discretized somehow few years prior, didn't understand his own arguments +>Einstein makes clear assertion of photons +>Again met with hostility +>Experiments continue proving him right +>Einstein also publishes brownian motion +>HURRR DURR BROWN DID IT FIRST +>Actually, once again, Einstein took the leap to argue thermal physics is statistical +>Etc. +Listen man, if Einstein is this glory hog who was stealing everyone's ideas then why did physicists reject einsteins ideas so much so they weren't even mentioned in the Nobel prize he earned? They thought it was bullshit. Even Poincare and the others you allege Einstein stole his ideas from weren't convinced their mathematical frame work was actually properly descriptive of nature. But you'd have to actually understand the history around this instead of getting your info from /pol/ to know this. Keep crying schizo. +--- 15358165 +>>15357465 +no its not even that. +no body understood what einstein was talking about. then he proved what he was saying so they all just started pretending to understand. now 100+ years later... ppl still talk about space & time as seperate and mass and energy as seperate, even though he showed them to be the same. "physicists" get on tv and talk about "the age of the universe" which is fucking laughable, cuz theyre basically just announcning that they dont fucking understand einstein. its just laughable how even at the highest levels of physics there are still dipshits that have absolutely no concept of relativity. This is why physics is in disarray. nobody actually took the time to figure out what einstein was talking about. +--- 15358169 +>>15357895 +He's just being a contrarian. Einstein's popularity works against him in that he attracts many midwits, so when some redditor says "my favorite scientist is Einstein" the usual reaction is to cringe, because he doesn't know anything about physics and just know big E is famous. +But anyone who denies his merits is a delusional pseud, so half this board more or less. +--- 15358176 +>>15358165 +>>15357465 +like you hear "physicists" talking about galaxies receding, even though einstein showed you can't differentiate between mass and energy, because they are not different. it is meaningless to talk about "the age of the universe" or "the mass/velocity of a galaxy". +einstein showed there is no "mass" or "energt" by themsselves, spacetime sees mass-energy only. Its just fucking laughable how far some off these "physicists" are. the Big bang theory is quite literally cosmic creationism. If you teach creationism in biology you're a quack, but a catholic priest comes along and says enisteins static universe needs to have an origin basically because god, and years and years later, these "physicists" are lapping that shit up. +The standard model is a nightmare, they treat gravity and E&M as fundamentally different, when even newton could have told you that the y were probably the same. There's a scalar boson for mass but not charge. Then a seperate boson for gravity? Its bullshit. And quantum is just ppl making a science out of doing bad science. +The state of physics in 2023 is +"wayyyy to much religion, dogma, and nobody still understands wtf einstein was talking about. We haven't progressed in knowledge of physics since einstein. +--- 15358238 +>>15358176 +>Claims people don't understand Einstein +>Defiantly misses einsteins argument +Tell me, pseud. Do you know what einsteins cosmological constant is and what it represents? +--- 15358269 +>>15357637 +How much of general relativity was him? I'm not a physicist but I do remember a quote from the German geometer he worked with (Hilbert perhaps?) that any kid on the streets of Göttingen knows more about geometry than Einstein (paraphrasing), by which I assume he meant Einstein had graduate level understanding of geometry at the time (I think he was beginning to work on general relativity). Now it did take him a decade or so working on it so no doubt a competent man can acquire the relevant skill set in that time. +--- 15358301 +>>15357637 +--- 15358324 +>>15358238 +>>15358238 +yes. +and did you know he only removed it after pressures from lamaitre and others about the universe needing a moment of creation +--- 15358446 +>>15356987 (OP) +he knew quantum mechanics was complete horseshit, but he couldn't quite place why. now we know it's because they shoehorned "muh free will" into physics, which fucked everything up. +--- 15358463 +>>15358324 +tell me, pseud. do you know what the einstein desitter space is? +--- 15358495 +>>15358463 +second-generation solution to field equations. +not nearly as interesting to me as the original model +--- 15358511 +>>15358495 +you could've just said no. try again. maybe chatgpt can help you. +--- 15358517 +>>15358511 +then do enlighten me human +--- 15358535 +>>15358517 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein%E2%80%93de_Sitter_universe +>The size of the Einstein–de Sitter universe evolves with time as [math]a\propto t^{2/3}[/math], making its current age 2/3 times the Hubble time. +since you are demonstrating some cognitive dissonance, i'll spell it out for you, and i'll remind you of the context since i know schizos like you easily forget. +>>15358176 +you seem to think einstein wasn't an advocate of an expanding universe. in the einstein desitter model, einstein clearly believed the universe was expanding, and has a calculable age. +--- 15358563 +>>15358301 +large hairy man hands with pastel painted fingernails created this image +--- 15358944 +>>15358535 +not originally, and not for years after the original Einstein static Universe +--- 15358977 +>>15356987 (OP) +Massively underrated. The white government and media never gave him credit. +--- 15359023 +>>15356987 (OP) +globohomo puppet, the earth is flat and stationary with a dome diff --git a/sci/15357001.txt b/sci/15357001.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c804d776ba55f35ef0a2df022308487c48ac5e69 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357001.txt @@ -0,0 +1,27 @@ +----- +--- 15357001 +What is the science behind Dam collapses? +--- 15357004 +Physics +--- 15357018 +>>15357001 (OP) +you posted this thread yesterday an nobody replied to it +--- 15357107 +>>15357001 (OP) +I wonder how youtube would look like during the 60's, with the Soviets around. +--- 15357155 +>>15357001 (OP) +big water +big wall +wall no strong +wall fall +water go out +--- 15359409 +>>15357001 (OP) +Water pressure make dam go boom-boom +--- 15359428 +>>15357001 (OP) +This is probably China's biggest possible compromise, excluding any issues with the system of the country itself. Legitimately, it would be the world's biggest war crime since WWII but if we wanted we could just drop some orbital strike on their dam and nearly a tenth of their population would die (then again, they could just take out a few of our completely unprotected national substations and millions of us would die due to lack of power and its effects, too). +--- 15359648 +>>15357001 (OP) +2 more months. diff --git a/sci/15357012.txt b/sci/15357012.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ea37ffd208270fee90a79b398085f549a4d35448 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357012.txt @@ -0,0 +1,29 @@ +----- +--- 15357012 +https://archive.is/8S7nJ + +Back in 2018, a Harvard doctoral student named Andres Ardisson Korat was presenting his research on the relationship between dairy foods and chronic disease to his thesis committee. One of his studies had led him to an unusual conclusion: Among diabetics, eating half a cup of ice cream a day was associated with a lower risk of heart problems. Needless to say, the idea that a dessert loaded with saturated fat and sugar might actually be good for you raised some eyebrows at the nation’s most influential department of nutrition. + +Earlier, the department chair, Frank Hu, had instructed Ardisson Korat to do some further digging: Could his research have been led astray by an artifact of chance, or a hidden source of bias, or a computational error? As Ardisson Korat spelled out on the day of his defense, his debunking efforts had been largely futile. The ice-cream signal was robust. +It was robust, and kind of hilarious. “I do sort of remember the vibe being like, Hahaha, this ice-cream thing won’t go away; that’s pretty funny,” recalled my tipster, who’d attended the presentation. This was obviously not what a budding nutrition expert or his super-credentialed committee members were hoping to discover. “He and his committee had done, like, every type of analysis—they had thrown every possible test at this finding to try to make it go away. And there was nothing they could do to make it go away.” +--- 15357026 +4chin +--- 15357030 +Are people that eat ice cream simply happier? +--- 15357167 +>>15357012 (OP) +>Robust statistically irrelevant findings however with a novel data processing algorithm.. +--- 15357185 +>>15357012 (OP) +Ray Peat has been an advocate for eating ice cream for health for decades. +--- 15358499 +>>15357030 +It says they're less prone to diabetes, the article in the link is fairly amusing & quite informative +--- 15358809 +>>15357012 (OP) +>>15357185 +>ice cream +interesting +--- 15358830 +>>15357185 +link? diff --git a/sci/15357044.txt b/sci/15357044.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9ee53ccd21872fe1d7bdcd587a151e6c8d608a51 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357044.txt @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@ +----- +--- 15357044 +how is the walk cycle simulated per frame in softwares + +i know IK is used but that does not explain how it positions the end points like the arm and the foot/ankle +according to the cycle in need and the speed/energy of it + +can this be explained more accordingly in a diagram and includes aspects like gravity and weight and uh status of the subject. also how the floor "reacts" to the body itself and allows the walk +--- 15357128 +thread closed. +--- 15357271 +>>15357128 +actually i kinda know the answrr but i just need a more professional solution as comparison + +one that does not asks me to provide "minimum caste" id only to write an analytical text that is supposedly be prepared with their own professional experience + +ye know + +like a proper professional analysis + + +that or you dont know how you get what you get but being cartwheeled by your parents + +kekw +--- 15358544 +thread closed +--- 15360527 +thread re-opened +--- 15360533 +>>15357044 (OP) +</thread> diff --git a/sci/15357104.txt b/sci/15357104.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6468c57fec7c6045ee455cb8a9fb80ea18b38da0 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357104.txt @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +----- +--- 15357104 +https://www.slimecore.org/home + +Im sorry it is not fully updated. I lost a lot of it. This is my idea though, it is open source. I have bigger ideas too. In the future, this will likely replace the circuit based computing paradigm currently in existence. +--- 15357987 +>>15357104 (OP) +explain idea, me no click +--- 15358028 +>>15357987 +we program slimes to do computations through geometry and use computer vision to read it +--- 15358913 +interesting ngl +--- 15360064 +>>15357104 (OP) +>In the future, this will likely replace the circuit based computing paradigm currently in existence. +--- 15360124 +>>15360064 +Biological computation would created the ability to compute things computers are structurally incapable of doing, maybe even Physics shit without the need of a massive quantum computer. diff --git a/sci/15357108.txt b/sci/15357108.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b6cebef12d83637f07345571a30de360ab4fc784 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357108.txt @@ -0,0 +1,44 @@ +----- +--- 15357108 +Scientifically and hypothetically speaking. +If 5 dudes all nut in a woman at about the same time, roughly 20-30 minutes... (Miranda was a little loose after the first 2, took some extra time) +Will the spermies fight each other, or just race? I feel like my sperms would beat up the other sperms to keep them from getting to the egg, even if they don't feel like making the job themselves. +Any scientific data on how multiple partner sperms react when encountering each other in transit? Or do nerds not research bitches that get trains run on them? +Don't lie, this is kind of thread you come to /sci/ to read. +--- 15357111 +>>15357108 (OP) +im not sure i want to know to be honest +--- 15357113 +Yes. This is research on this. I believe experiments have found that sperm competition does not exist in humans. But it does in some other animals. + +I read a lot about this because I read a book on this topic called "Sperm wars" which was premised on sperm competition existing in humans, but then it turned out that it doesn't exist and the book was just being goofy. +--- 15357116 +>>15357113 +So I just need really fast sperms. + +Any tips for making my sperms faster or slower? I ain't trynna catch no child support payments. +Lemme slow the little bastards down, my boys are like The Flash. +--- 15357124 +>>15357116 +Maybe try a condom? That'll slow them down. They'll be flying and then BOOM, hit that wall. +--- 15357129 +>>15357111 +Thread +--- 15357324 +>>15357116 +>I want to wet my dick in other men's sperm and then be dominated by them +Dog I'm pretty sure you just want to be penetrated and this weird shit is an outlet that you consider more acceptable. Just come out of the closet and play with the gay boys already. Maybe you will be the one getting a train. +--- 15357348 +>>15357324 +What the fuck did you just say to me, you little shit? +--- 15357375 +>>15357108 (OP) +This is /sci/ my good sir +--- 15357451 +>>15357113 +Is the implication of this that humans have been monogamous throughout their evolutionary history, so there has been no pressure for sperm to evolve to fight other sperm? +--- 15357545 +>>15357324 +>>15357113 +>>15357108 (OP) +I remember hearing that the mushroom shape of the penis head evolved to scoop out other men's sperm if any were in there. Idk if that's true diff --git a/sci/15357171.txt b/sci/15357171.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7b217e957a26ec5fb189c21e9d1be97dd40d8d4c --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357171.txt @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +----- +--- 15357171 +What does research in pure math look like these days? Do mathematicians just contemplate things in their offices? +--- 15357178 +>>15357171 (OP) +Wow, that is an esoteric cover. +--- 15357184 +>>15357171 (OP) +pretty much yeah +--- 15357314 +>>15357178 +Something tells me you have 0 friends +--- 15357317 +>>15357314 +I second this post. He’s always trying to impress people in every post. We all know he’s a pseud that desperately wants to fit in. Just let him enjoy his time here until he kills himself. +--- 15357321 +>>15357314 +100%. pseud/spaz posting here 14 hours a day, likely on government assistance +--- 15357323 +>>15357178 +does this faggot ever shut the fuck up? +--- 15357333 +>>15357314 +>mutual understanding of peers +>having peers at all +>being understood by non-geniuses + +Tell me youre not very smart without telling me youre not very smart. + +Oh, and that Liberty cap is sus... +--- 15357334 +>>15357323 +Put a name tag on...my memory will track every false post you make until you remove it. +--- 15357342 +>>15357321 +most people who act this way are kids +when you're 15 you're desperate to impress people and have zero self awareness +--- 15357349 +>>15357333 +No one reads what you say, loser +--- 15357355 +>>15357171 (OP) +>What does research in pure math look like these days? + +This. + +One of the Greatest in Human History for Number Theory, literally dunk on Euclid Euler etc... +--- 15357356 +>>15357355 +I prefer to study outdoors. +--- 15357379 +>>15357317 +>He’s always trying to impress +You project ego onto others because you have nothing to be proud of in your life. + +Go...earn something to be proud of...or remain a corrupted crab-boy. + +>I like to rehabilitate street cats. +:3 +--- 15357383 +>>15357171 (OP) +>Its good looking cover convinced me this must be a pretty decent scientific book! +>Locke's essay cited in the first chapter to introduce a concept +>>immediatly throws it in the trashcan. +--- 15357390 +>>15357383 +>Locke's essay +Ah, yeah I'm very the other way. + +Biological Mathematics, and Physics Mathematics, being the two most difficult maths to teach others as theyre not restricted to things like "base systems", instead of would be more like 1:2 as a base system, or Fibbonacci etc. + +Physics maths is waaay convoluted, like 3-dimensional numbers, not 'coordinate of multiple numbers', thats just multiples of 1-dimensional numbers in conjunction. Base systems with no Zero, similat to votex math/chaos math. + +Only the most hardened of Maths nerds should even attempt such nonsense. +--- 15357392 +>>15357390 +>Physics maths +By this I do not mean Math used for Physics, like Pure Maths, I mean Physics producing Pure Maths. The other way than normal. +--- 15357394 +>>15357178 +I agree. Don't know why people are getting mad at you. +--- 15358045 +>>15357171 (OP) +I'm a research mathematician. I go through the latest research papers and find the one with the most citations. Then I create a new term starting with homo, like homomorphonetical homospheres, then i will create the mathematics for that term by copying in bits from the other paper and adding some extra terms. Then i spend a month or two writing the related wikipedia page on homomorphonetical homospheres. Then i try to think of a conjecture about homomorphonetical homospheres that I can name after myself. Then i publish the paper +--- 15358054 +>>15358045 +--- 15358073 +>>15357171 (OP) +>What does research in pure math look like these days? +--- 15358222 +>>15357171 (OP) +Half life reference. +--- 15358273 +>>15358045 +Only way to get math funding in this dsy and age diff --git a/sci/15357189.txt b/sci/15357189.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b278e889ed5c11aa75a531029e6c57241dbd6785 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357189.txt @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +----- +--- 15357189 +https://youtu.be/AAEB-5GOCJ4 [Embed] +--- 15357210 +Science is not The Engine of Prosperity +Diversity is our strength. +--- 15357231 +your live has to be easy if you can believe you awareness is a net for sure, no worry's you get sucked into the man sequence star, if it is for example a field after all.... +--- 15357237 +>>15357231 +like, i die anyway after i am death no worry what i do in this life.... +--- 15357837 +Don't just sprawl spray and don't just end thread... diff --git a/sci/15357211.txt b/sci/15357211.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fac28378766f5a670ab0238a6d7f0fbbddf29172 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357211.txt @@ -0,0 +1,28 @@ +----- +--- 15357211 +Is it feasible for the brain to exist in a separate vessel outside of the body? +Could we one day inhabit robot exo-suits that our brains control? +--- 15357221 +>is muh soience fiction fantasy i got from the moooovies real? +--- 15357228 +>>15357211 (OP) +It certainly sounds possible. +--- 15357255 +>>15357211 (OP) +Yes. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtDQc-4wGvM [Embed] +--- 15357290 +Is it within the realms of technical possibility? Yes, the laws of physics do not say it cannot be done. + +It is just really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, difficult to achieve. +--- 15358467 +>>15357211 (OP) + +With a proper brain-machine interface (feasible) a Ghost in the Shell scenario could be very likely. Although keeping up artificial circulation in the brain-in-a-jar could still become a real fucking headache. +--- 15359158 +>>15357211 (OP) +>Could we one day inhabit robot exo-suits that our brains control? +What if it's an very complicated receiver like a 4D TV? +--- 15359213 +>>15357211 (OP) +Scientifically speaking, it is actually far more likely my brain is the only one in existence created by random fluctuations of particles in the void than that this whole earth with the biological muscle skeleton suits exists at all diff --git a/sci/15357361.txt b/sci/15357361.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4839cd5d7aa6e011dad1394ed6646d166a032756 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357361.txt @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +----- +--- 15357361 +>this confuses and enrages the mathematician +--- 15357374 +The univalent foundations tranny: +>Isomorphism = Equality +>Equality isomorphic Isomorphism +--- 15360567 +that's because mathematicians are simpletons autists +--- 15360574 +>>15357361 (OP) +what's confusing about an equivalence relation? diff --git a/sci/15357364.txt b/sci/15357364.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..17929ba3cef51fdb3ff1c02b35d7a7e62a16d532 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357364.txt @@ -0,0 +1,56 @@ +----- +--- 15357364 +I'm a brainlet. Could you explain what are the implications of this issue? +--- 15357400 +>>15357364 (OP) +Heritability is a population estimate of the genetic effect sizes on phenotypes, say diseases as have been most commonly studied, in a population. The "missing" heritability is a matter of comparison, as estimating heritability from twin studies, sibling recurrence risk, phenotypic variance, etc, did not line up with genomic studies in large samples. Quite a lot of this research was done for diseases, cancers, and so on, mostly hoping things worked more like mendelian disease or something with significant effect sizes we could do something about. Didn't work out like that. + +Anyhow, fast forwarding to the 2000s e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2831613/ +>For example, at least 40 loci have been associated with human height, a classic complex trait with an estimated heritability of about 80%, yet they explain only about 5% of phenotypic variance despite studies of tens of thousands of people15. +Notice how cute that is these days. 40 loci? Only tens of thousands of people? D'awww science was cute in 2008-2009. + +As you can see this problem was a lot more significant. Back then. The main point of the problem is that heritability estimates did not line up with the heritability found in the general population. Hence, "missing heritability". + +Then in comes big boy GWAS swinging his dick around and doesn't solve anything. In fact, it makes the problem worse due to identifying numerous false positives that were no more likely to have their purported effect sizes than chance upon re-examination. You can find a lot of this stuff mentioned here apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_heritability_problem + +There STILL remains a significant missing heritability due to reproducibility failures. The additive effect idea still seems the most likely, but due to low effect size it makes consistently demonstrating that a nightmare. Standards keep getting more demanding, but even still things keep not working out. +--- 15357403 +>>15357364 (OP) +>I'm a brainlet. Could you explain what are the implications of this issue? +>>15357400 +The implications are numerous but perhaps a pretty easy one to understand is that without sufficient candidate genes your hopes of genetic modification to lower disease risk, or move us in the direction of every NEETs desire for catgirls to become reality, are still far in the future pipe dreams. + +As GWAS has not been working out all that great and candidate genes for any given effect size in terms of being causal haven't been working out either, uhhh we're kind of stuck and have been stuck for quite a few decades. We got rid of all the easy diseases and now we're fucked. +--- 15357438 +>>15357400 +>There STILL remains a significant missing heritability due to reproducibility failures. The additive effect idea still seems the most likely, but due to low effect size it makes consistently demonstrating that a nightmare. +I think I sorta get it. But does it mean diseases aren't genetically inherited, or is it just impossible to prove which gene is the cause? +--- 15357644 +>>15357438 +The missing heritability gap is what makes reductionist biologists and geneticists seethe. The fact that most genes need environmental triggers to work just goes over their head and that few diseases are life-long or inborn. +--- 15357730 +>>15357644 +>The fact that most genes need environmental triggers to work +How does this work exactly? Any example? +--- 15358064 +>>15357730 +If you never drink alcohol you won't be an alcoholic even if your whole biological family is and you have every alcoholic gene known to man and some extra on top. +How's that for an example? +--- 15358637 +>>15358064 +That's pretty good thanks. Does this mean we know for sure behaviour is at least partially influenced by genetics? +--- 15359050 +>>15357438 +Heritability doesn't have anything to do with inheritance. Mutations can occur in populations both from inherited genes, but also from acquired mutations, but in either case variants are not necessarily going to be passed on either. In fact the vast majority of variants of genes are not going to be subsequently passed down to your children no matter what stage the mutation occurred in. + +As I explained, it is only an estimate of the proportion of a given phenotype in a population that can be associated with genes. We're pretty far off from being able to make direct causal inference, and hence what I noted about both the missing heritability as well as the difficulty in reproducing candidate gene effects. +>But does it mean diseases aren't genetically inherited +Diseases are matters of risk. Odds, chance, probability, mostly. Very few follow inheritance patterns like Mendelian diseases. Heritability has nothing to do with inheritance. + +Think of it more like "At a given snapshot these are what the associations are with some given trait". The heritability estimates should comport with the abstract estimates... eventually. So far they're still not, but they have improved. +--- 15359066 +>>15357644 +>The missing heritability gap is what makes reductionist biologists and geneticists seethe. The fact that most genes need environmental triggers to work just goes over their head and that few diseases are life-long or inborn. +Idiots, yeah, but that isn't what the problem is. If you're looking at the population occupying a given environment overall without significant variation between persons or other things, then the abstract estimates of heritability ought follow in the general population as well for similar phenotypes. That isn't about reductionist hasty (wrong) inferences to causation, that's about statistical associations among the population. + +So the problem is hardly "association therefore causation and everyone's retarded". Sure, people who don't understand it at all do that all the time. The problem is that the associations with given traits don't follow from abstract estimate methods or other estimate methods, even though they should, because regardless of causation there ought still be significant genetic association. diff --git a/sci/15357407.txt b/sci/15357407.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fc45c58feae6f1800a7835dddb8ca92e76b79749 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357407.txt @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +----- +--- 15357416 +>>15357407 (OP) +>>15357407 (OP) +QuikClot is legitimate. + +I seen many brothers should be dead, live, because they got stuffed full of more quikclot than a coal burner getting stuffed with dick at a Snoop Dogg after party. +--- 15357425 +just use jello powder you special snowflake diff --git a/sci/15357408.txt b/sci/15357408.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9c1538f2fefa23e0d5c5950990a5ef3a00e3fc41 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357408.txt @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +----- +--- 15357408 +Cant we just simply make an algorithm who tracks your neuronal wave in order to become a super soldier to win vs Russia? +--- 15357410 +silly me i meant suicide bomber... +--- 15357413 +>>15357408 (OP) +Go back to /x/ +--- 15357422 +>>15357408 (OP) +>become a super soldier to win vs Russia +>vs Russia +Cлишкoм пoзднo, тoвapищ. +--- 15357426 +>>15357410 +>suicide bomber +Media with CIA algorithms trigger this in random targeted citizens. Already done. They only make patsy false flags when they cant dial in the reactions just right. + +t.MKUltra, lived it, brainwashing is built into culture and the school system +--- 15357427 +>>15357413 +>Go back to /x/ +You should study Deveolpmental Psychology and Cognition. Heavy on the Physiology, Biochemistry and Phenomenology sides so you dont get lost in halls of Psychology and end up some dudes retarded fantasy... +--- 15357437 +>>15357426 +but you cant use it to focus on a target or institution to pity.... more money is needed. +--- 15357440 +>>15357427 +>Retarded schizo pretends to know everything +Kys schizophrenic piece of shit you are a cancer on this board +--- 15357441 +>>15357426 +>>15357437 +imagine this you don't run propaganda but micro tuning with big data on one enemy city. all you need is one corrupt politics so you can install your device and run the program with out the government noticing. and cause you don't want random attacks you tune the citizens slowly. and then you discharge all the programmed people by adding drugs into the water supply. so the force is much more focused and destructive. +--- 15357444 +>>15357440 +>pretends to know everything +It requires knowledge to see it when its there. + +It requires intelligence to recognize it in others. + +PRETEDNING IS LYING. + +HUMANS LIE. I DO NOT. +--- 15357449 +>>15357437 +>but you cant use it to focus on a target or institution + +I cant find a link now but its in some video. You can target individuals with one-off google searches. Meaning...if you or anyone else does the same search the results will be normal but that one-off time it have different results. + +There is a term for this, cant remember, as well as Ive seen this myself. Finding unlisted youtube videos and such. +--- 15357455 +>>15357427 +well that's just one of the things i wouldn't have been lazy enough to try. with more knowledge and will their are much more horrific things possible ins science. +--- 15357462 +>>15357455 +lets say for example immortality, you just apply statistics to an pc to make people do what you want. +but with immortality you need to make cells do what you want, the problem is you don't even know what a cell want, do you see why this problem becomes much more complex and exhausting? +--- 15357789 +Too late. Ruzzians already lost. +--- 15357816 +>>15357455 +>much more horrific things possible ins science +...and as a Biological Robot. I know of them. The "Philosopher's Stone", how to produce the feeling on Immortality in humans. + +You've probably experienced it before, for a brief moment. "It was like time stopped, my whole life flashed before my eyes." + +Imagine that never ending...days become weeks. Weeks become months. MONTHS BECOME YEAR(S***). + +>tell me how +No. Organically only (you discover it yourself or else your subconscious never let you...) Inorganically is a secret I will take to the grave. + +THE SHIT I KNOW! diff --git a/sci/15357435.txt b/sci/15357435.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..736c879f189c06b0fd258cbc632520304c50751b --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357435.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 15357435 +Is width and height implied orientation or the absolute orientation? diff --git a/sci/15357483.txt b/sci/15357483.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a0ea60c8fd323a76464220831bd8650b06d584b5 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357483.txt @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +----- +--- 15357483 +I heard there is a pedophile jannie that is deleting content that talks about him and authorities were contacted. Is this true? +--- 15357492 +Kill Jews +--- 15357499 +roundhouse kick jews down the stairs +--- 15357504 +sounds legit +--- 15358490 +>>15357483 (OP) +https://web.archive.org/web/20211127130714/https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/349676720/ diff --git a/sci/15357529.txt b/sci/15357529.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..487a75e9359aca84928f81ecb2184993552a3a47 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357529.txt @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +----- +--- 15357529 +What's the science behind the fact that when you slap two eggs one against the other, only one eggs breaks (and properly at that) 100% of the time, without fail. Surely sometimes the two eggs should break, yet it never happens, only one. It's like it has been designed that way. +--- 15357570 +>>15357529 (OP) +Eggs A and B touch each other with equal but opposite forces. Egg A can handle a maximum force of F_maxA before breaking, and egg B can handle force of F_maxB. + +If F_maxA ≠ F_maxB, then you can not break both eggs at the same time by pressing them against each other, because the weaker one will break first, and the contact force will never reach the value needed to break the stronger one. In practice the two eggs are never exactly equally strong +--- 15357587 +>>15357570 +Thanks, that's pretty logical, I suspected weakness between eggs would be the thing behind it but still. They're fucking eggs, they're fragile as fuck. It's incredible to think that even like a 1% difference in strength between egg A, egg B or even egg C is enough to observe this result without fail. +--- 15357606 +Take three pieces of toilet paper. Then stretch it from both ends. For 100% of the time it will break from only one of the weak points. It never breaks into three pieces simultaneously. The same principle applies why the two eggs don't both break simultaneously. +--- 15357658 +>>15357606 +Why does a spaghetti always break into three pieces, then? +--- 15357831 +>>15357587 +If two eggs hit each other at high enough velocity, they both absolutely can break due to inertia becoming a factor. I can't tell you whether that would need "thrown really hard" velocities or orbital velocities though +--- 15357851 +>>15357606 +Anon went to the toilet, took a pic of his toilet paper for 4chan and said todahyy we do sayahnsss +--- 15357878 +does this sience can be applied to anal fissures +asking for friend diff --git a/sci/15357547.txt b/sci/15357547.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4549d6e51481f9e87064c23019ab730c7b8bd75d --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357547.txt @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@ +----- +--- 15357547 +Are you prepared for the golden age of Indian Mathematics? +--- 15357551 +Worthless +--- 15357805 +>>15357547 (OP) +>high-quality research +like what? new scamming techniques? +--- 15358109 +>>15357551 +oh, really sir ? This is me flexing on the Terrance. Look at him, he is fucking. He is a bloody bastard bitch. He said that he is knowing the chernoff inequality but when I am flexing it on him he doesn't even know how to be retaliating sir isn't it +--- 15358122 +>>15357547 (OP) +Don't blink. You might miss some high quality research. -David Conlon, MIT Professor +--- 15358896 +>>15358109 +What is the purpose of this image + +I'm saving it but still +--- 15358903 +>>15357547 (OP) +Do me a favor and nuke the shit out of those bloody bastards in London, and make it look like it came from Israel. +--- 15359125 +two indian mathematicians arguing over mathematics +https://old.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/a2zle3/fuck_you_bloody_bastard_bitch +--- 15359149 +Indians are but Niggers +--- 15359392 +>>15357547 (OP) +What is that, turning one paper into 5000 blatant copies? Not knocking these guys in op (don't know them), but ethics goes out of the windows with this lot. diff --git a/sci/15357632.txt b/sci/15357632.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..552e44992d64a8d4f6098bd33ddd664d44b91600 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357632.txt @@ -0,0 +1,821 @@ +----- +--- 15357632 +It seems like producing products that are made to break after a set amount of time is a huge waste in materials and recourses, right? How come Greta has never once mentioned that the smartphone on which she propagates her activism is part of a massive waste in recourses that probably contributes to climate change more than people driving their cars to work? Do they really care about the climate? Lots of corporations claim to do things to support stopping climate change like Microsoft but still keep doing this vile tactic to make more money. + +Imagine a world where you can buy a product, and you can know every piece of it is made to last as long as possible and be as good as possible. +--- 15357670 +>>15357632 (OP) +Progress requires out with the old, in with the new. +--- 15357778 +Both of those pieces of shit should be thrown into the fire. +--- 15358066 +>>15357632 (OP) +Dude no, we all need NEW cars to fix the planet. +--- 15358090 +>>15357632 (OP) +Fun fact: in the Netherlands they wanted to replace the briefcase that's been been used ceremoniously for almost 60 years by the minister of finance with a more sustainable one. +--- 15358113 +>>15357632 (OP) +>Why don't climate activists talk about plannedobscelescance? +I'm sure you can find someone who does and more over there's lot of other people already talking about it, it seems like you are using it as a distraction and don't really much care about it. +>probably contributes to climate change more than people driving their cars to work? +And you have numbers to back that up right? +>Imagine a world where you can buy a product, and you can know every piece of it is made to last as long as possible and be as good as possible. +Things that last forever or even very long time are by no means optimal for climate change or even the consumers at large +--- 15358149 +>>15358113 +>Things that last forever or even very long time are by no means optimal for climate change or even the consumers at large +Please explain how buying one expensive music instrument for multiple decades is less optimal than buying and discarding cheap music instruments every few years. Same question for cookware. +--- 15358159 +Climate change policies are just grift by the left + ways to expand regulatory policies to grift through taxes and get kick backs. + +If they cared they would just do Manhattan project style research into batteries, capacitors and nuke power systems. +--- 15358163 +>>15357632 (OP) +There are main factors: +>hype +Popular activists depend on generating hype for their movement. They are glorified influencers/marketers. "Make ovens last again!" or "Right to repair, now!" aren't as "sexy" slogans as what is demanded from them by their agents and sponsors. +>Interests +Localism, planned obsolesce and autarky are't popular because implementing them may actually hurt bottom line of the sponsors. +--- 15358174 +>>15358149 +The easiest route is that if the carbon footprint of the "expensive" variant is larger than the combined footprint of several "disposable" units then it's obviously worse for climate change. This is often true because the cheaper materials take less effort to produce and the items themselves have to be less robust. If you bought one of those briefcase mobile phones and then went and plated it with stainless steel to ensure it stands the test of time then you likely burned more carbon than just buying the latest model every few years without doing that. That's without considering the fact that overdesigning a thing to last forever like the briefcase phone wouldn't have helped it to stay relevant technologically so you would have doubled your wasted effort, not only would a more disposable phone emitted less CO2 but you still had to replace your phone anyways when new technology made the product obsolete long before the lifetime of either product was even complete. This applies to lot of products in multitude of ways. Longer life doesn't automatically make thing better and you have to evaluate these things on case by case basis and making sweeping claims just makes you flaunt your low IQ +Also you managed to flip your argument, no one is forcing you to buy products with short life expectancy some of them obviously are better and you can also hear climate solutions include these things so you don't exactly have even that shred of a point left. +--- 15358256 +>>15358174 +>you have to evaluate these things on case by case basis and making sweeping claims just makes you flaunt your low IQ +I agree. That was my point. The next point is that the evaluation depends on how emissions and impact of emissions are calculated. These calculations are a battle ground for politics but even assuming good faith, markets are dynamic so the calculations can only capture temporary specific market conditions. Furthermore, there are paradoxes, like low sulphur fuel reported to be worse for the environment than scrubbing high sulphur fuel. The non-expert environmentalists seem to have no regard for such nuance. They don't know what they're voting for. It's a road to hell paved with good intentions. +--- 15358266 +>>15358256 +>That was my point. +That wasn't your point though, you just asked me to prove some example as a gotcha even though your original point which was +>Imagine a world where you can buy a product, and you can know every piece of it is made to last as long as possible and be as good as possible. +Is absolutely false + +>The next point is that the evaluation depends on how emissions and impact of emissions are calculated. +No it doesn't, it depends on the emissions. + +>These calculations are a battle ground for politics +You are wrong board for that +>>>/pol/ +>Furthermore, there are paradoxes, like low sulphur fuel reported to be worse for the environment than scrubbing high sulphur fuel. +Reported by who? +>The non-expert environmentalists seem to have no regard for such nuance. +What nuance? And why do you care about what some non expert thinks? +>voting +>>>/pol/ +--- 15358340 +>>15357632 (OP) +climate change and hatred for fossil fuels, is political. +there was an oil crisis in 1973. it highlighted how dependent the west is on arabs and russia, two groups the west would rather not see holding their balls. +this started the green revolution. this is why the focus is on fossil fuels only. + +when you look into it, you see co2 scrubbing is ignored, other sources of change are ignored, the actual extent of any changes, and any criticism, ..anything really, ignored, because it's not that big of an issue overall. but political dependence on foreign countries is. + +ukraine war highlighted how slow the economic dependence transition from "unfriendly countries" has actually been going. + +greta movement (there was a reason it was called "extinction rebellion", but that whole thing would require its own thread) was great at reducing the price of oil, but now the war highlighted independence actually needs to happen if you don't want chinese be the second language in schools. + +science is shaky, opposing views are being suppressed. but independence needs to happen. now that russia isn't just a beat-up old prostitute, and is actually biting, well, it's probably a good idea to get those balls back out. +but why a bullshit religion, and not just cut ties? + +a lot of countries don't care. they're too small. whichever politician openly states they want to become independent from russian and arab oil would have to deal with +1.) claims of racism from opposition (and other foreign agents) - loss of some votes regardless of which party. +2.) accusations of destroying the economy - after sanctions/embargos hit from exporters (they'll lose the revenue anyway, might as well make it painful) and economy drops a few points as a result. if economy does better somehow, noone says shit. if economy goes down, which it likely will for a while, doesn't matter what the reason is, nor the long-term benefits, you get fucked for making the change. +3.) general opposition to change +(1/2) +--- 15358347 +>>15358340 +(2/2) +this shit isn't that big of a problem in usa, as north america does produce enough, but europe, well,... germany was 100% renewable before the war +https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/renewables-cover-about-100-german-power-use-first-time-ever + +before the war in ukraine started, germany dared say some strong words about russia and warned them about ukraine activities. +https://www.dw.com/en/germany-warns-russia-over-ukraine-provocation/a-60121208 + +yet, not long after the war started, and russian oil stopped coming in, germany was back on coal. +https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2022/10/28/the-iron-law-of-electricity-strikes-again-germany-re-opens-five-lignite-fired-power-plants/ + +and they were very reluctant to provide military support. they sent money, but only 30 tanks in total nearly a year into the war. +https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-war-how-much-does-germany-spend-on-help/a-64160984 + +global warming will keep on happening, one of the main reasons is concrete, however, as soon as russia and arabs play ball, greta will be forgotten. +--- 15358423 +>>15358340 +>>15358347 +to add a few notes about planned obsolescence, +it started in the 1920s, but it was envisioned a bit differently +https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/789436174/the-phoebus-cartel + +i don't think it's that big of a deal as an idea. it's used by the left as an example of "evil capitalism", but that's due to lack of understanding. +the whole nature works on principle of planned obsolescence. one of the reasons we die, is because it is coded so in our genetics. + +the downside is obviously that your items last less than they should, but building items that last for a long time can also have its downsides. +a great example of this is alaskan boat makers that went practically extinct in a few generations. their boats live on, so noone is buying their boats, so noone is making the boats anymore. + +you have to keep in mind that while single-use items do produce waste, they are different products to long-lasting items. single-use items can be made with less energy-intensive methods and with materials that biodegrade. think about it, does an avengers toy need to last generations, or will it be forgotten after a few plays? therefore, how much energy needs to be put into that toy? + +taking the idea to the extreme, something like biodegradable scissors that dissolve after one use might not be that bad of an idea if they'd literally grow on trees. + +don't get me wrong, designing items to intentionally break is shit, but serves its uses, even if that does mean that as a consumer, you have to shop around a bit and maybe avoid hp and android if you want quality. +--- 15358716 +>>15357632 (OP) +If no way to scrap it sure, but if the company takes the broken shit to recycle it, it evens out to rent or leasing on products. Profitable business decision and might encourages detractors to learn so they can make their own that don't. +--- 15358723 +>>15358716 +The physical equivalent of you don't own but are leasing the software. +--- 15358746 +>>15358723 +>>15358716 +>proprietary hardware +Inb4 spiritual successor to Stallman +--- 15358991 +>>15357632 (OP) +Because they are either morons or pieces of shit. +/thread +--- 15359199 +>>15358113 +>>15358174 +You must have been too lazy to even look up what planned obscelescance is, or even interpret what it might mean. It's not to do with making things last, it's about not making things intentionally break. No recourses are wasted at all by telling microsoft not to intentionally make their computers go slow after a period of time. + +Are you a shill? The amount of effort you put into your paragraph defending corporations definitely makes it seem likely. +--- 15359216 +>>15358340 +Russia is losing their retarded war though, now that the world knows that the west will arm Ukraine any other country Russia tries to fuck with will expect the same and fight back instead of accepting it like Georgia. +--- 15359320 +>>15358716 +>If no way to scrap it sure, but if the company takes the broken shit to recycle it +You can't recycle things forever. A lot of materials degrade considerably after the first or second recycling. There's also the cost of recycling to achieve the same level of quality of virgin materials and that creates a massive barrier after a certain point and requires a lot of human suffering (think African mines, Indonesian sweatshops, Chinese factories with suicide nets) to realize the economics behind your favorite products. +>Okay so don't buy those products +You don't have much of a choice. If the choice is between having a social life or being a hermit, having a job or starving, then that's just the illusion of choice for rationalization after the fact. No one voted for planned obsolescence and 99% of consumers aren't even aware of it on the level that they should be. +--- 15359397 +>>15359199 +Nice reading comprehension you got there, the making things last part was for the other argument. "Imagine a world where you can buy a product, and you can know every piece of it is made to last as long as possible and be as good as possible." + +Planned obsolescence was already blown out by this and wasn't worth addressing further. +>>Why don't climate activists talk about plannedobscelescance? +>I'm sure you can find someone who does and more over there's lot of other people already talking about it, it seems like you are using it as a distraction and don't really much care about it. +It's simply a strawman that environmentalist don't supposedly care about planned obsolescence as it's pretty ridiculous stance to take as it's obviously not true. + +>The amount of effort you put into your paragraph defending corporations definitely makes it seem likely. +OP is the one defending corporations. Also countering this level of shilling doesn't even take effort, don't even need to research or fact check to point out the obvious faults in the argument. +--- 15359400 +>>15359397 +>don't even need to research or fact check +kek! so true bestie! +--- 15359438 +>>15359397 +The last line is irrelevant. If they really care about it would you be able to link a video of Greta Thunberg the person most famous for climate change activism talking about it? + +Why are there no anti planned obscelescance marches? Why are they not demanding the government restrict it like with driving cars? + +>OP is the one defending corporations. +How? +--- 15359439 +>>15359400 +Hey, I'm sorry if following a basic conversation is difficult for you but so far you have made 3 basic claims all of which I have trivially proven false +>Environmentalist don't care about planned obsolescence (hence why we should destroy the earth) +Which is trivially false, they obviously do care about it but if you find sources supporting your claim I'm willing to go into further detail +>Phones cause more climate change than commuting +Which again is trivially false, a modern phone clocks in at something like 100kg co2, which is about 50 littres of gas which even for a short commute is only few weeks tops of fuel, switching your commute to an alternative would buy you a new phone every week or two, in some cases pretty much daily, consider phones life cycle of maybe 4-5 years that's laughably bad even if we were to assume I was wrong by order of magnitude (i'm not). +>If everything was built to last it would be better for the environment +The only part wort addressing since it's not actually a straight up lie or a strawman, which I also blew out. +--- 15359441 +>>15359438 +>Why are there no anti planned obscelescance marches? Why are they not demanding the government restrict it like with driving cars? +Ironically there are these protests, but they're slandered as nazi/anti-whatever because it's rural right-wingers demanding their right to repair. +--- 15359443 +>>15359400 +He's so right he doesn't even need to supply evidence +--- 15359444 +>>15359439 +Humanity can, I hope, walk and chew gum at the same time... Unless it's all about something other than progress? +--- 15359446 +If it starts snowing tomorrow it's because we solved the Great mystery of 'Where'. +--- 15359449 +>>15359439 +>Which is trivially false, they obviously do care about it but if you find sources supporting your claim I'm willing to go into further detail +Post a famous activist talking about it + +>>Phones cause more climate change than commuting +Strawman/retard misunderstanding the argument +Producing billions of those things every year and shipping them has to be doing something +>>If everything was built to last it would be better for the environment +Strawman again +--- 15359456 +>>15359438 +>If they really care about it would you be able to link a video of Greta Thunberg the person most famous for climate change activism talking about it? +Why do you assume everyone has to talk about things you want them to talk about? Can you link a video where shes pro planned obsolescence? Can you link a video where she denounces dissolving babies in acid? I guess shes pro acid then. + +>Why are there no anti planned obscelescance marches? +Why aren't you marching for them? There also have been marches against it. +>Why are they not demanding the government restrict it like with driving cars? +Plenty of organizations are doing exactly that, maybe reach out to one of those and contribute. + +>>15359444 +OP made this thread with the explicit purpose of being a red herring, he believes that he can stop climate change activism by going "what about this other unrelated problem" + +>>15359443 +OP has not supported a single one of his claims and they are obvious fabrications. Provide evidence and I can go into more detail. + +>>15359449 +Post a famous activist being against it, or being against babies in acid. + +>Producing billions of those things every year and shipping them has to be doing something +Well I again invite you to actually quantify that "something". I already said that the impact is negligible compared to your own benchmark (commuting). Obviously everything you do does something but it's about scale and scope which is why argument like this is just a bad faith red herring. +--- 15359475 +>>15359456 +>Why do you assume everyone has to talk about things you want them to talk about? +Because it's a big problem for the climate anon. Millions of wasted products every year. It actually comes off as very suspicious that they're not calling out this tactic used by corporations. + +>Why aren't you marching for them? There also have been marches against it. +Ad hom +>Plenty of organizations are doing exactly that, maybe reach out to one of those and contribute. +An example? + +>Post a famous activist being against it +Stop deflecting please. Why isn't wasting so many materials every year a problem for the climate? + +>Well I again invite you to actually quantify that "something". +That something is a bad effect on the environment +>I already said that the impact is negligible compared to your own benchmark (commuting). +This is both ad hom and ridiculous. How can one individuals actions be comparable to all of these factories producing these products? +>red herring. +Deflection +--- 15359492 +>>15359475 +>Because it's a big problem for the climate anon. +Repetition isn't an argument. How big of a problem is it? + +>It actually comes off as very suspicious that they're not calling out this tactic used by corporations. +I have called you out and am calling you out though. + +>Ad hom +No it's not and you don't seem to know what that even means +>An example? +Google your location + planned obsolescence in your language, should give you a nearby result you can support. + +>Stop deflecting please. +It's not a deflection. You came up with the idea that climate activists were pro planned obsolescence, prove it. + +>Why isn't wasting so many materials every year a problem for the climate? +How many materials? + +>That something is a bad effect on the environment +And your proof? + +>This is both ad hom and ridiculous. +It's not and it's true + +>Deflection +It's truth +--- 15359512 +>>15359492 +>Repetition isn't an argument. How big of a problem is it? +How huge of a problem do you think the production of billions of unnecessary computers every year is? Probably very big. +>I have called you out and am calling you out though. +Why is attacking a business tactic defending corporations? +>No it's not and you don't seem to know what that even means +You're attacking the motives of your opponent rather than responding to arguments + +>Google your location + planned obsolescence in your language, should give you a nearby result you can support. +Do you have an example? + +>You came up with the idea that climate activists were pro planned obsolescence, prove it. +So you're conceding here that climate change activists are corporate owned and will avoid addressing business tactics that are useful to their masters even if they are harmful to their alleged cause + +>How many materials? +The exact number is impossible to know and isn't necessary to the argument + +>And your proof? +The factories producing them are using fossil fuels +>It's not and it's true + How can one individuals actions be comparable to all of these factories producing these products? How is this not attacking your opponent's character rather than addressing the arguments? + +>It's truth +You're avoiding addressing it +--- 15359531 +>>15359512 +>How huge of a problem do you think the production of billions of unnecessary computers every year is? +That is literally what I'm asking you to demonstrate. You sure love to claim that it's a big problem but seem unable to actually provide numbers. Meanwhile my numbers suggest that it's at best trivial problem compared to commuting. + +>Why is attacking a business tactic defending corporations? +Planned obsolescence nets corporations much less money than evading environmental regulations does. And mind you you aren't attacking it, you are merely suggesting it might be a problem but refuse to elaborate or provide possible solutions, the weakest form of attack possible. +>You're attacking the motives of your opponent rather than responding to arguments +You asked why aren't there marches, I asked you why aren't you marching? That's a direct and humiliating answer to your question, furthermore I also suplex you by concluding that there in fact have been marches against it. More to the point even if I didn't do any of that, what I also didn't say that you were wrong because you are retarded, though you are retarded and wrong they are not linked (well I mean you know of course they are but you know). You simply don't know what an ad hominem argument is, that's a fact that we can independently observe here. + +>So you're conceding here that climate change activists are corporate owned and will avoid addressing business tactics that are useful to their masters even if they are harmful to their alleged cause +No that's just another lie you made up. Again prove your point and link the video, it's that easy. + +>The exact number is impossible to know and isn't necessary to the argument +It doesn't have to be exact number, an estimate with reasonable margin or error is just fine, and of course it matters when you claim that it's a big problem. + +>The factories producing them are using fossil fuels +And how much of those are they using? +--- 15359536 +>>15359512 +>>15359531 +>How is this not attacking your opponent's character +Because it's adressing the argument, what I say is not true because you are dumb, you are just dumb and what I say is true. + +>You're avoiding addressing it +I'm explicitly addressing it and requesting additional information several times. You are the one avoiding it. +--- 15359573 +>>15359216 +yes. +but reaching that point took time. +the west completely abandoned ukraine when russia rolled in in terms of military support. +germany refused active support and pretended to be switzerland for a while until nordstream blew up. + +this war is literally usa vs russia all over again, and ukrainians are paying the price. +--- 15359598 +>>15359531 +>but seem unable to actually provide numbers. +But the numbers are impossible. The fact is is that thousands of factories producing billions of computers every year will have a strong effect on carbon emissions. Do you deny this? + +>Planned obsolescence nets corporations much less money than evading environmental regulations does. +What is the meaning of this sentence? + +> refuse to elaborate or provide possible solutions +Pass a laws to regulate how quickly products are designed to break, or ban it entirely but that may be more difficult +>You asked why aren't there marches, I asked you why aren't you marching? +Ad hom + +>No that's just another lie you made up. Again prove your point and link the video, it's that easy. +You used a strawman by accusing them of being pro planned obsolescence rather than ignoring it. What video? + +>It doesn't have to be exact number, an estimate with reasonable margin or error is just fine, and of course it matters when you claim that it's a big problem. +>Build – The manufacture of a laptop is between 75% – 85% of the overall carbon footprint, where the majority of emissions come from the production and materials used for the motherboard, SSD and display. +>The average estimated carbon footprint of a laptop is around 422.5 kgs, +https://circularcomputing.com/news/carbon-footprint-laptop/ +It's hard to find a clear answer but hopefully this is enough for you to accept that manufacturing computers is harmful to the environment +422.5 * 75% = 316.875 kgs +>More than 272 million new laptops are manufactured every year +272 000 000 * 316.875 - 86 190 000 000.0kgs +Every year that is 86.19 billion killograms of carbon for laptop production and that's not even including the shipping +--- 15359622 +>>15359512 +>How huge of a problem do you think the production of billions of unnecessary computers every year is? Probably very big + +this is only really becoming a noticeable problem now. +the "unnecessary" production so far has been due to technological progress. in such an environment, building computers to last is wasteful. ironically, first computers were built to last. +the software intentionally breaking your shit is wasteful, and will be punished by consumers and/or legislators, but it isn't as big of a problem as you think. +a comp that gets messed up by software rarely ends on landfill, but instead gets referbed. + +if planned obsolescence was as big of an issue as you think, there'd be a greater push to tax products based on waste they'd produce. keep in mind co2 emissions are already being taxed through energy bills. +--- 15359629 +>>15359598 +>But the numbers are impossible +If they are impossible how are you able to claim it's a problem? + +>The fact is is that thousands of factories producing billions of computers every year will have a strong effect on carbon emissions +Thousands of factories? Billions of computers? All of that is planned obsolescence? Any proofs? + +>What is the meaning of this sentence? +It's in plain English. + +>Ad hom +It's not ad hominem, it's answer to your question, the same reason why you aren't marching is also why others aren't. And people are marching anyhow. Again you are wrong and retarded, not wrong because you are retarded. + +>You used a strawman by accusing them of being pro planned obsolescence rather than ignoring it. +I'm asking you for evidence of them ignoring it. Please provide some. + +>It's hard to find a clear answer but hopefully this is enough for you to accept that manufacturing computers is harmful to the environment +So according to your own figures you could buy a new laptop every few days to weeks if you used a low co2 commute option. Mind you this is what you said +"that probably contributes to climate change more than people driving their cars to work" +Hopefully you can understand why being wrong by 3 orders of magnitude makes you seem ridiculous. Also you have not proved any of that has to do with planned obsolescence either, which as I recall seems to be your point, not encouraging hermit no consumption lifestyle. +--- 15359660 +>>15359598 +we all care about environment, but carbon footprint is a bit bullshit. +they're ad-hoc estimates using subjective calculations and shouldn't be taken as fact, especially when you can end up with carbon-neutral oil companies and airliners + +https://www.wsj.com/articles/big-energy-companies-new-pitch-carbon-neutral-oil-and-gas-11634032800 +https://news.delta.com/new-campaign-shines-light-deltas-carbon-neutrality + +intentionally slowing down computers is harming consumers, agreed, but you have to understand that the numbers you cite are not due to them being replaced.. +see internet usage growth, for instance: +https://www.statista.com/statistics/273018/number-of-internet-users-worldwide/ + +releasing software that harms user's computer will only end up harming the company that does it. +not gonna lie, a lot of companies on my shitlist, but the items i buy now seem to last just fine. +--- 15359661 +>>15359629 +>If they are impossible how are you able to claim it's a problem? +If these numbers are so easy to get why don't you post them and prove this all wrong? +>Thousands of factories? Billions of computers? +Proof of the factories is demonstrated in the amount of them produced, which a source is given for laptops being 272 million. You can combine that with televisions, smartphones, desktops or demand proof of the exact numbers because you're wrong and that's how you try to get out of this. +>All of that is planned obsolescence? Any proofs? +https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2015/04/24/yes-your-laptop-may-be-designed-to-die/?sh=7d1f33e71946 +The first answer is that laptops, and personal computers, in general, are built with a fixed obsolescence. This means that the manufacturers are making them to break down within a certain period, requiring either a costly repair, or a just simply forcing the user into buying a new unit. + +>It's in plain English. +Rephrase it please + +>the same reason why you aren't marching is also why others aren't. +What is the reason then? Why are people who march for green power not marching for this? + +>I'm asking you for evidence of them ignoring it. Please provide some. +You can't prove a negative, this is the limit of your demands. By some standards it is proven as you can't seem to find any examples of mainstream climate activists discussing it. + +>So according to your own figures you could buy a new laptop every few days to weeks if you used a low co2 commute option. +You're being silly now, the point is the building of these laptops is unnecessary and significant to the environment + +>Hopefully you can understand why being wrong by 3 orders of magnitude makes you seem ridiculous. +This is hilarious, you've failed to answer the original question of why Greta Thunberg doesn't talk about it and rely on demanding sources for every single little fact and ad hom to appear correct. +--- 15359667 +>>15359660 +>but you have to understand that the numbers you cite are not due to them being replaced.. +Why? + +>releasing software that harms user's computer will only end up harming the company that does it. +Look up brand loyalty +--- 15359708 +>>15359661 +>If these numbers are so easy to get why don't you post them and prove this all wrong? +I don't have to do that, it's your claim, I'm proving you wrong by simply asking you to provide the numbers and you failing to produce them. + +>or demand proof +Yes, I think instead of schizoing out I will simply ask for proof. What part of that is planned obsolescence, surely you aren't stupid enough to imply that all production is allocated to that? + +>The first answer is that laptops, and personal computers, in general, are built with a fixed obsolescence +That doesn't answer anything, even if a product is planned to break that's not a quantitative measure. If a product that would last for 10 years is reduced to 5 years and I buy a new one every 3 years then planned obsollessence had exactly 0 impact, in fact it might have had positive impact by removing excess materials. + +>Rephrase it please +It's in English, ask your English teacher at school tomorrow. + +>What is the reason then? +That's what I asked you, why aren't you marching? + +>You can't prove a negative +It's not a negative, you can in fact look over the videos and point out that it's never been mentioned. Also insinuating that just because I'm not going to go trough thousands of hours of videos to find a specific mention of a thing you demand they MUST BE ignoring it is retarded. Again I challenge you to provide greta denouncing dipping babies in acid because if you can't find it that clearly means shes IGNORING THE ISSUE. Furthermore you aren't actually entitted to attention from an arbitrary person in the first place. As your own numbers suggest, the issue is at least thousand but probably million times smaller than climate change at large, not worth much air time. Furthermore after performing a google search it seems it's mentioned in her book anyways so I guess that proves you wrong anyways. +--- 15359714 +>>15359667 + +a lot of people are getting a computer for the first time. +with that, they can reduce travel they might have to make. + +and brand loyalty is based on historic performance and lack of competition. it persists due to users hating the alternative. +example, not a lot of chrome fanboys around these days, despite high market share. +--- 15359718 +>>15359661 +>>15359708 +>You're being silly now +It's your own numbers, what's silly about them? + +>the point is the building of these laptops is unnecessary +Proof? + +>and significant to the environment +Proof? + +>you've failed to answer the original question of why Greta Thunberg doesn't talk about it +I think I answered it just fine, your own numbers suggest that it's at least 3 orders of magnitude less significant than commuting and you used the extreme form of allocating all production to planned obsolescence which is certainly false. So if we are being generous the issue might be one millionth of commuting in terms of co2 output which is why people don't waste their time with it. + +>and rely on demanding sources for every single little fact +Lies aren't facts and demanding a source is perfectly reasonable way of destroying them. If you think it's unfair that I demand a source for the claims then I will simply counter that Greta in fact does often times talk about it making you wrong. Yes this was revealed to me in a dream and no I won't provide a source. +--- 15359731 +>>15357632 (OP) +Why don't climate activists ever talk about obesity? Agriculture produces more CO2 than transportation, and a lot of that transportation is just being used to transport food. You could eliminate more emissions by people just not being fat fucks than with electric vehicles. But no we can't tell people to eat less that's fat shaming and we have to promote body positivty and cut down rainforests so lardasses can get their burgers. +--- 15359753 +>>15357632 (OP) +>Do they really care about the climate? +No. +Climate Change = scam for: +1. The rich left-wing elites and politicians to consolidate yet more wealth. (Wealth begats wealth) +2. For government to consolidate more power and control over the populace. (Government's sole purpose to exist is to make the Government larger and more powerful.) +3. To create a larger and poorer proletariat class that is easier to rule over by destroying the middle class. +--- 15359783 +>>15359708 +>I'm proving you wrong by simply asking you to provide the numbers and you failing to produce them. +The numbers on the laptops are sufficient. You cannot prove your own argument that the numbers are possible to get since you refuse to post them. + +>What part of that is planned obsolescence, +https://www.hggear.com/blog/average-laptop-lifespan +The average lifespan is 3 to five years, if you reduce the number by half you get 43.095 billion which remains a significant number + +>It's in English, ask your English teacher at school tomorrow. +So what you said can be dismissed as meaningless and not an argument + +>That's what I asked you, why aren't you marching? +Not everyone is a person willing to spend their time dragging attention to themselves blocking roads. Why are the people who do that not doing it for planned obscelescance? + +>you can in fact look over the videos and point out that it's never been mentioned. +Do you want a review of every single video of Greta Thunberg to prove she hasn't ever mentioned it, rather than you providing evidence she has? That is demanding proof of a negative, it's ridiculous. +>t's mentioned in her book anyways so I guess that proves you wrong anyways. +Can you post a source? Why is it hidden in a book no one reads not a pivotal part of her activism? +>Furthermore you aren't actually entitted to attention from an arbitrary person in the first place. +Then concede + +>It's your own numbers, what's silly about them? +What you're saying is retarded and doesn't really have any relevance. You ignore discussing the numbers by writing something silly about how you can even out your carbon footprint by not driving but buying new laptops. You refuse to comment on the subject. +--- 15359819 +>>15359792 +>Why don't climate activists talk about planned obscelescance? +Some do, some don't + +Trump signed the Great American Outdoors Act but assisted contracts for drilling lots of oil and cutting down trees, which incidentally helps the poor by reducing prices and creating jobs, but there's a balancing act to be made for ecological health. +--- 15359820 +>>15359783 +>You cannot prove your own argument that the numbers are possible to get +If you think the numbers are impossible to acquire then I can simply conclude that it's impossible to say that a problem exists so why are you claiming it does? A problem so small it's impossible to measure isn't a problem. + +>The average lifespan is 3 to five years, if you reduce the number by half you get 43.095 billion which remains a significant number +And you have not proven any of that is allocated to planned obsolescence or that planned obsolescence causes climate change. + +>So what you said can be dismissed as meaningless and not an argument +You can't just dismiss things you don't understand as meaningless, 0 points for that one. + +>Not everyone is a person willing to spend their time dragging attention to themselves blocking roads +There you go then. + +>Why are the people who do that not doing it for planned obscelescance? +They are though. + +>Do you want a review of every single video of Greta Thunberg to prove she hasn't ever mentioned it, rather than you providing evidence she has? +If you are going to claim that shes ignoring the issue then yes. That's what proving it means. You could just provide a single case of her being pro planned obsolescence too. And that's not proving a negative, that's just providing statistics of the topics she discusses, a simple monkey job. + +>Can you post a source? +Why? You aren't posting yours. Look it up. + +>Why is it hidden in a book no one reads not a pivotal part of her activism? +Why did you change the goal post. If she writes about it in her book then shes not ignoring it. + +>What you're saying is retarded and doesn't really have any relevance. +In your own words the issue is not worth addressing, I think that explains why it's not addressed often? + +>You ignore discussing the numbers +It's not ignoring the discussion, it's directly addressing it and blowing it out. +--- 15359835 +>>15359792 +>43.095 billion killograms of carbon +You have not proven that any of that is addressable to planned obsollessence, in fact it's reducing carbon output by 43 billion kilograms. + +>What is an "order of magnitude"? +Do you seriously not know what order of magnitude means? I think you ought to come back in a few years. + +>Can you please rephrase your sentence clearly without buzzwords or concede its meaninglessness. +I'm sorry that you have hard time with English but that's frankly not my problem. + +>You've demanded sources on things that can be logically inferred as a disingenuous attempt to slow your opponent +I demanded source on your core point, and statistical analysis is not proving a negative, simply list the topics and frequencies of said topics. The data is all out there. Do you not know what proving a negative is as well? +--- 15359890 +>>15359820 +>If you think the numbers are impossible to acquire then I can simply conclude that it's impossible to say that a problem exists so why are you claiming it does? +Why haven't you answered the question? If they're so easy to get, why don't you post them and end this argument? + +>And you have not proven any of that is allocated to planned obsolescence or that planned obsolescence causes climate change. +Planned obsolescence cannot be proven by any means but it can be logically inferred, one example being that apple is constantly being sued for old technology not working. + +>You can't just dismiss things you don't understand as meaningless, 0 points for that one. +You refuse to explain what it meant so why would anyone give you the benefit of the doubt that it meant something? + +>There you go then. +Nope. Explain why the people blocking roads aren't talking about this. + +>They are though. +Proof? + +>You could just provide a single case of her being pro planned obsolescence too. +Strawman +It goes both ways. You demand proof of planned obsolescence, you supply proof of your own claim. Did you lie that it says it in her book? + +>And that's not proving a negative +You're demanding evidence of the non-existence of it, that is exactly what prove a negative means. You make the claim, you provide evidence. + +>Why did you change the goal post. If she writes about it in her book then shes not ignoring it. +She's not discussing it public ally, she's not talking about it on social media to all her followers. No one reads that retard's ghostwritten books, especially not her fans. + +>In your own words the issue is not worth addressing +No? Where did you get this from? +--- 15359896 +>in fact it's reducing carbon output by 43 billion kilograms. +How? + +>I'm sorry that you have hard time with English but that's frankly not my problem. +Concession accepted + +> Do you not know what proving a negative is as well? +Proving the non existence of something. Like proving that Greta Thunberg hasn't said something, opposed to you posting the evidence you claim to have. +--- 15359920 +>>15359890 +>If they're so easy to get, why don't you post them and end this argument? +But they are your numbers, I don't care if they are easy or not, that's your problem. You make the claim, I presume you can back it up, otherwise you automatically concede. Simple as that. + +>Planned obsolescence cannot be proven by any means but it can be logically inferred +I inferred above that it actually reduces CO2 output. So I take it you give up on the claim then? + +>You refuse to explain what it meant +It's in English, tell me your native language and I can translate, I also suggested asking tomorrow in school. + +>Explain why the people blocking roads aren't talking about this. +They aren't willing to spend their time dragging attention to themselves blocking roads + +>Proof? +? The marches? Hello? + +>You demand proof of planned obsolescence +Still waiting + +>Did you lie that it says it in her book? +No it's in there + +>You're demanding evidence of the non-existence of it +No, you claim that she hasn't talked about it, and you can verify that by just listing out the topics. You make the claim, you provide evidence. + +>She's not discussing it public ally, +She is. + +> she's not talking about it on social media to all her followers. +She is + +>No one reads that retard's ghostwritten books +People do + +>No? Where did you get this from? +Your post + +>>15359896 +>How? +I explained it above + +>Concession accepted +Concession accepted + +>Proving the non existence of something. +You can certainly prove the topics she has talked about, just look at them and list them all out. +--- 15359937 +>>15359731 +Climate activists don't really talk about obesity, but the people promoting the idea of "fat shaming" typically aren't climate activists. In America transportation creates more CO2 than agriculture, but fat people watching their weight would be very environmentally advantageous, healthy, and would net the economy billions. +--- 15359962 +>>15359937 +Even if you could magically make obesity go away it wouldn't meaningfully reduce co2 output from food, in fact it might increase it considering the way people get obese is usually trough low co2 intense things like sugar and vegetable fats and how small amount of extra food is required for obesity. Everyone switching to more healthy diet might increase emissions as a result. Not that it wouldn't be good or healthy otherwise but it's another largely irrelevant red herring. +--- 15359999 +>>15359920 +What number do you want +>otherwise you automatically concede. Simple as that. +And I'm glad you've automatically conceded by refusing to post these easy numbers + +>I inferred +What's the logic behind this? + +>It's in English, tell me your native language and I can translate, I also suggested asking tomorrow in school. +You are arguing in bad faith + +>They aren't willing to spend their time dragging attention to themselves blocking roads +Why would they do it for one thing but not another? You are arguing in bad faith + +>? The marches? Hello? +That is not proof, no mainstream activists are spreading awareness of it or even discussing it + +>Still waiting +It's impossible, this is already explained. You must supply proof of your own claim. Did you lie that it says it in her book? Why do you avoid posting it? + +>and you can verify that by just listing out the topics. You +Listing out the topics of what? What does that mean? +>You make the claim, you provide evidence. +Yep, you claimed she said it but refuse to post it. You're arguing in bad faith + +>She is. +>She is. +Please can you post it...? Do you want to do this all day anon? + +>I explained it above +Where? You're intentionally using vague language, ae you saying planned obsolescence reduces it? + +>Concession accepted +No concession, just waiting for you to explain what it meant. You refuse to, so you concede. + +>You can certainly prove the topics she has talked about, just look at them and list them all out. +This is a rewriting of "prove she hasn't said it", which is asking for a negative to be proven. +--- 15360053 +>>15359999 +>What number do you want +You have described planned obsolescence as a big climate problem, so please provide the source for these claims. + +>And I'm glad you've automatically conceded by refusing to post these easy numbers +It's not my job to post your numbers for you, but I accept your concession. + +>What's the logic behind this? +Explained above + +>You are arguing in bad faith +It's not my faith that causes your low reading comprehension. + +>Why would they do it for one thing but not another? +According to your numbers one is at least million times more significant. So I presume the same reason as you would do something for million bucks but not for a buck. + +>That is not proof, +>Marchers are not proof or marches + +>no mainstream activists are spreading awareness of it or even discussing it +They are + +>It's impossible, this is already explained. +I accept your concession then. + +>You must supply proof of your own claim. Did you lie that it says it in her book? +It's in the book, just read it. + +>Listing out the topics of what? What does that mean? +You take the topics she has discussed and tally them all up. + +>Please can you post it...? Do you want to do this all day anon? +It's in the book + +>Where? +Click on those meme arrows with numbers after them till you arrive at the post. If you can't find the post out of the 20 or so posts that aren't yours then what can I say, you wouldn't understand it anyways. + +>are you saying planned obsolescence reduces it? +Yes it definitely does, but it would be impossible to prove it to you. + +>This is a rewriting of "prove she hasn't said it", which is asking for a negative to be proven. +Which I'm expecting you to do since what she has said is on public record in twitter or youtube as you seem to accept those as sources. Just do a list of the topics she talks about. +--- 15360120 +>>15360053 +Planned obsolescence is impossible to prove but you can logically infer it based on how tech corporations have been sued for making their products break, and that can be deduced to be causing many new ones to be manufactured. + +>It's not my job to post your numbers for you, but I accept your concession. +No concession, but you accept that the numbers cannot be proven + +>Explained above +Doesn't seem so. Please explain the logic behind why you think planned obsolescence is good for reducing co2 + +>It's not my faith that causes your low reading comprehension. +All you have to to is rewrite it, but you refuse. You refuse to discuss honestly and politely and are being rude and unhelpful. You have an agenda that comes before honest debate. + +>According to your numbers one is at least million times more significant. +What is a million times more significant? + +>>Marchers are not proof or marches +No marchers are not proof of activism against planned obsolescence, again bad faith + +>They are +Proof? + +>I accept your concession then. +No concession, it is logically inferred, explained above. + +>It's in the book, just read it. +What book?? Does it cost money? Can you link a source citing the page where it said this? Why are you using bad faith? + +>You take the topics she has discussed and tally them all up. +That's ridiculous and asking for proof of a negative. You're arguing in bad faith + +>Click on those meme arrows with numbers after them till you arrive at the post. +Link it directly please. This is highly unclear and silly. + +>Yes it definitely does, but it would be impossible to prove it to you. +Can you post and intelligent rationalization? + +>Just do a list of the topics she talks about. +You are silly, your faith is a precomposed principle you refuse to concede +--- 15360171 +>>15360120 +>Planned obsolescence is impossible to prove +>but you accept that the numbers cannot be proven +Agreed, hence why it reduces co2 output. +And I do accept your concession on that point + +>Doesn't seem so. +Poor literacy again +> Please explain the logic behind why you think planned obsolescence is good for reducing co2 +Already did + +>All you have to to is rewrite it, but you refuse +Yes I refuse to write things multiple times. You got blown out by the first time, simply refer to them if you wish to see how. + +>You refuse to discuss honestly and politely +I have asked for your sources several times quite politely, you refuse to engage in discussion. I can only conclude that you are a shill, poorly paid one based on the literacy level as well. + +>What is a million times more significant? +Commuting + +>No marchers are not proof of activism against planned obsolescence, +>Where are the marchers +>Here they are +>T-t-t-hose don't count and marches aren't activism anyways +nice goalpost + +>Proof? +Already provided + +>No concession, it is logically inferred, explained above. +Which is why I accepted your concession + +>What book?? Does it cost money? +Yes books cost money + +>Why are you using bad faith? +It's not bad faith to directly prove you wrong. + +>That's ridiculous and asking for proof of a negative. +If you think it's ridiculous to prove evidence for your claims then don't make claims. + +>Link it directly please. +The meme arrows with numbers are direct links + +>Can you post and intelligent rationalization? +Already did + +>You are silly, your faith is a precomposed principle you refuse to concede +I simply accept your concession, don't need to do more than that when it's this easy. diff --git a/sci/15357659.txt b/sci/15357659.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8b1555077b6c27b9ba89d7d85954f74e359b38bb --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357659.txt @@ -0,0 +1,32 @@ +----- +--- 15357659 +Why do humans have this weakness? You can turn someone into a helpless, blithering wreck in seconds just by skittling your fingers over their skin +--- 15357663 +>>15357659 (OP) +To detect insects and other tiny crawling things. +--- 15357671 +That's my fetish. +--- 15357676 +>>15357671 +Do you prefer to tickle or be tickled anon? +--- 15357773 +>>15357676 +The latter but I prefer to watch. Due to heart issues I can't afford getting tickled. I regret taking the Pfizer. +--- 15357783 +>>15357773 +>Due to heart issues I can't afford getting tickled. +WTF that's hellish. Sorry to hear that. +--- 15357828 +>>15357676 +I had a gf who often tried to tickle me but she lacked technique, so she would just jab me with bunched up fingers instead. +--- 15358071 +>>15357659 (OP) +You don't get ticklish if you're in danger. Adrenaline activates the sympathetic system. +So this>>15357663 probably. +--- 15358610 +>>15357663 +but why is it stronger in certain areas like the armpits, neck, abdomen, and feet? you can't tickle someone on their elbow. +--- 15358625 +>>15358610 +>you can't tickle someone on their elbow. +from experience, i'd say you can. but the more ticklish places are the ones that are more important and more sensitive to damage, i think. diff --git a/sci/15357868.txt b/sci/15357868.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c5e1e18cb51c47202b2525b8acbdb8f58be3d604 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357868.txt @@ -0,0 +1,4279 @@ +----- +--- 15357868 +Penultimate day - edition + +Previous >>15355275 → +--- 15357876 +>>15357868 (OP) +Space is fake +--- 15357879 +Orbital test failure strawpoll, second day running + +https://strawpoll.com/polls/ajnEOeNXAZW +--- 15357881 +>>15357868 (OP) +I hate that word +--- 15357883 +>>15357876 +henlo again page 1 fren +--- 15357886 +TWENTY FOUR HOURS REMAIN +--- 15357889 +alright wheres the false flagging gore poster +--- 15357890 +>>15357884 +it barely moves yet they can't make a wheel that lasts. +--- 15357891 +Good thread OP. +--- 15357892 +>>15357889 +Nothing happens as long as the Anime spam subsides +--- 15357897 +>>15357889 +Gore posting will continue until moral improves +--- 15357900 +Henlo! +--- 15357903 +>>15357884 +the absolute state of JPL +--- 15357904 +>>15357900 +Hi!! +--- 15357906 +>>15357904 +--- 15357909 +https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647569817606533120 + +The Mars colony will consist of ubermensch +--- 15357912 +>>15357909 +this has been known for like 50 years but is controversial since it has racist implications +--- 15357917 +Becoming a colonist on the Martian frontier is my only hope of getting away from all these brown people they keep bringing into my country +--- 15357918 +>>15357917 +brown people will come to the colony as well no doubt, but as long as there is a high fitler (which there will undoubtedly be), then the colony will have traits that are much "better" than the mean traits on earth, both IQ and probably other traits as well +--- 15357923 +https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1178014342031298561 +--- 15357925 +>>15357918 +I can accept that, if they are the well behaved kind and aren’t just criminal or extremists like the ones I’m receiving now +--- 15357926 +>>15357923 +annoying that hes the only person who can authentically say this +--- 15357927 +A mars colony will be full of space Mexicans and you all know it +--- 15357929 +>>15357923 +Love that hes the only person who can authentically say this +--- 15357932 +>>15357926 +it's cringe when he says it. +--- 15357934 +>>15357925 +with future spinhabs far away from other places you could have colonies that are something like ethnonationalist nations were a few centuries ago +lets say a place with only icelandic people or something and they could be autonomous like a small city state +countless small floating city states in space +--- 15357937 +>>15357927 +substantiate your claims +--- 15357941 +>>15357927 +Brilliant +--- 15357944 +>>15357937 +Obviously US government will make sure that every human habitation in space will have its fair share of minorities. +--- 15357946 +Has SpaceX reported the anomaly to the FAA yet or do they have to wait for monday morning? +--- 15357947 +i didnt know masseys was a fucking island +--- 15357950 +>>15357947 +The site of Musk's Final Stand. +--- 15357951 +>>15357934 +What's the argument against space terrariums? +--- 15357952 +>>15357884 +Nothing says planned obsolescence better than some alu-butter wheels. +--- 15357953 +>>15357946 +there was no anomaly +--- 15357955 +>>15357949 +Post more aesthetics +--- 15357956 +>>15357884 +So what happens first, JPL sends a fuck-off huge rover to Mars on starship, or colonization efforts start and thousands of teslabots are sent over +--- 15357957 +>>15357884 +are those percy wheels? +wtf +--- 15357958 +too bad they didnt post one without the couple +--- 15357960 +>>15357958 +just ai them out +--- 15357961 +>>15357958 +There’s apps now that can remove photobombers +--- 15357963 +>>15357958 +we all know this couple +--- 15357964 +>>15357956 +Isn't the next mission for JPL to retrieve the dirt capsules that the current rover is leaving everywhere? That project is going to take like a decade and after that there might be a huge rover by JPL but thats like the next cycle +so 15-20 years away, boots will hopefully happen way sooner (like under 8 years) +predicting the timeline for teslabots its is own thing, but the way JPL is doing things the latter might actually, unironically happen before the first one +--- 15357965 +>>15357963 +me on the right but with no autistic wife +--- 15357967 +>>15357918 +just make sure that life on the frontier is uncomfortable hard work for no monetary gain. Nogs will simply refuse to go. If you make decadent paradises like >>15357934 refugees and gibs grifters will migrate there by any means necessary, usually they get in by sympathy conning your soft population. +--- 15357970 +>>15357958 +would bang +--- 15357971 +>>15357965 +Do you have a pussy (read: cat) though? +--- 15357972 +>>15357953 +Whipping the sparks out of your launch tower isn't a preflight operations anomaly? If the FAA thinks it is and SpaceX launches without reporting all legal hell breaks lose. +--- 15357979 +>>15357972 +its fine, don't worry about it +nothing substantial happened +--- 15357982 +got married on the boca chica beach? +--- 15357984 +>>15357964 +It would be funny if the Mars Sample Return was completely obsoleted by a single pioneering cargo starship going to Mars in the 2024 transfer window +--- 15357989 +i hate it +--- 15357991 +>>15357984 +it'll never be human rated between tomorrow and next year. expect years of red tape so nasa gets to do it first. +--- 15357994 +>>15357984 +>Bringing samples from Mars is the logical next step for robotic exploration and it will require multiple missions that will be more challenging and more advanced than any robotic missions before. Accomplishments in robotic exploration in recent years have increased confidence in success – multiple launches will be necessary to deliver samples from Mars. + +>ESA is working with NASA to explore mission concepts for an international Mars Sample Return campaign between 2020 and 2030. + +>Three launches will be necessary to accomplish landing, collecting, storing and finding samples and delivering them to Earth. + +>NASA’s Mars 2020 mission will explore the surface and rigorously document and store a set of samples in canisters in strategic areas to be retrieved later for flight to Earth. + +>Two subsequent missions are foreseen to achieve this next step. + +>A NASA launch will send the Sample Retrieval Lander mission to land a platform near the Mars 2020 site. From here, a small ESA rover – the Sample Fetch Rover – will head out to retrieve the cached samples. + +>Once it has collected them in what can be likened to an interplanetary treasure hunt, it will return to the lander platform and load them into a single large canister on the Mars Ascent Vehicle (MAV). This vehicle will perform the first liftoff from Mars and carry the container into Mars orbit. + +>ESA’s Earth Return Orbiter will be the next mission, timed to capture the basketball-size sample container orbiting Mars. The samples will be sealed in a biocontainment system to prevent contaminating Earth with unsterilised material before being moved into an Earth entry capsule. + +>The spacecraft will then return to Earth, where it will release the entry capsule for the samples to end up in a specialised handling facility. +--- 15357995 +if its launching in the morning then its going to be hard to see? i might not be able to see it from my location... +--- 15357997 +>>15357989 +I’ve never been into super hero movies, never understood why people like it so much +--- 15357999 +>>15357991 +I said cargo starship not human one, even if it takes until the 2028 window for humans to start going that's a good five years ahead of the Sample Return timeline +--- 15358000 +>>15357994 +pathetic +--- 15358004 +>>15357979 +Well, no one was hurt but something potentially dangerous happened that shouldn't. +--- 15358005 +> The NASA-ESA Mars Sample Return is a proposed Mars sample return (MSR) mission to collect Martian rock and soil samples in 43 small, cylindrical, pencil-sized, titanium tubes and return them to Earth around 2033.[3] + +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA-ESA_Mars_Sample_Return + +I wonder if JPL is going to pivot or not? +Didn't they hamstring and try to block Red Dragon already? They might have the motive to block, but after it becomes inevitable perhaps they are nimble enough to pivot? Probably not though +--- 15358006 +>>15357994 +Has there been any actual hard progress on this? I know lockmart was working on the MAV, but are there any definite timelines or launch vehicles? +--- 15358007 +>>15357971 +no i have a doggo though +--- 15358010 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9G36CDLzIg [Embed] + +> 17.11.2022 +>NASA and the European Space Agency are developing plans for one of the most ambitious campaigns ever attempted in space: bringing the first samples of Mars material safely back to Earth for detailed study. The diverse set of scientifically curated samples now being collected by NASA’s Mars Perseverance rover could help scientists answer the question of whether ancient life ever arose on the Red Planet. +>Bringing samples of Mars to Earth for future study would happen in several steps with multiple spacecraft, and in some ways, in a synchronized manner. This short animation features key moments of the Mars Sample Return campaign: from landing on Mars and securing the sample tubes to launching them off the surface and ferrying them back to Earth. +>Animation is contributed by NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, the European Space Agency, Goddard Space Flight Center, and Marshall Space Flight Center. +--- 15358012 +>>15358007 +Infinitely more valuable than a woman +--- 15358014 +>>15357909 +>Elon Musk doesn't know what "raised seperately" mean +--- 15358015 +>>15358010 +>2033 +>ambitious +I HATE OLDSPACE I HATE OLDSPACE I HATE OLDSPACE +--- 15358021 +>>15358015 +you'll get some tubes of rogg in 2040 and you'll be happy +--- 15358024 +I'll be on Venus, in my cloud colony +--- 15358026 +>>15358021 +It's incredibly some people aren't satisfied with the breakneck pace of getting a several grams of mars dust by 2045. +--- 15358029 +>>15358006 +literally none +everyone knows its going no where and a starship will take a shit on it +--- 15358030 +>>15358010 +one one hand these rube goldberg machine missions are pretty cool but on the other hand, really? what the fuck +mass autism, not even once +--- 15358031 +rockets never actually go to space because space is fake. +--- 15358036 +>>15358014 +the point is, even if you raise twins separately their IQs are going to be very close to each other +the point is that IQ is genetic, his twins having an almost identical IQ just reinforces the point +--- 15358039 +>>15358026 +only for them to go "cor, we've learned nothing, we think there might be past life and more water so we'll send another rover in the 2070s if budgetary constraints allow" +--- 15358043 +>>15357909 +My experience with IQ tests is that your performance increases a lot if you have done an IQ test before. +They have certain styles of questions and you can answer them much faster if you know what you are looking for. +So that the variance is close to the same person doing a test twice, probably doesn't say as much as it seems because that variance is already high. +It's not really a proper control. + +The difference between random and twins is possible evidence of genetic influence, but we don't actually know how well the environment is controlled here, besides that they aren't raised together. +There can still be confounding environmental factors based on the fact they are both adopted (IE adoptee parents are often subject to strict criteria to ensure fitness), both raised in broadly similar areas and both identical. +If for example you believed that en-equal racial education outcomes had an effect on IQ in adults, then the fact that the children would be the same race would reduce variation relative to the general population. + +I'm not making an argument for or against the relative influence of genetics, I just really hate when people use misleading graphs and data to confirm their biases. +--- 15358046 +>>15358030 +Just think, in 23 hours Mass autism will be a thing of the past +We can send up another JWST that's 3x heavier but 1/100th the cost +--- 15358049 +>>15358031 +I work with a guy that actually believes this, he told me it must be true because rockets always curve instead of going straight up. Imagine being this stupid +--- 15358050 +>>15358036 +That's like 60 year old info though, nothing new +--- 15358053 +>>15355071 → +I think they're planning to sustain themselves on thruster sales (and investor money) until their orbital launch vehicle is around. In his MECO interview their CEO seemed hopeful but not delusional about a suborbital payload market emerging +--- 15358056 +>>15357991 +>human rated +Only matters if you're launching NASA astronauts. It won't happen, but if SpaceX has a crew of cowboy employees ready to fly in 2024 the government can't do anything to stop them. +--- 15358058 +>>15358043 +cope +> If for example you believed that en-equal racial education outcomes had an effect on IQ in adults, then the fact that the children would be the same race would reduce variation relative to the general population. +complete non-sequitur, the twins in this case had a similar IQ to each other, not their underlying race +--- 15358060 +>>15358058 +What about studies on twins who are of different races? Would the black twin have the same iq? +--- 15358062 +>>15358060 +>twins who are of different races +anon i... +--- 15358077 +>>15358058 +Really do you have evidence of that? The chart does not specify race or background when it talks about random people, it is presumably taking from the whole population. +--- 15358081 +spaceflight +--- 15358084 +does nsf go live at midnight or what? +--- 15358088 +ELON NO +--- 15358089 +So there’s no way that SpaceX develops and tests landing, refueling, reuse and gets starship crew certified for HLS in 2 years right? +--- 15358094 +>>15358089 +artemis 3 aint happening until at least 2027, maybe even 2029 +--- 15358099 +>>15357970 +I'd bank that sheet metal so hard too. +--- 15358101 +>>15358089 +They don't need most of those things for HLS to work, only thing it needs to do is be able to refuel and land on the moon. +--- 15358103 +polaris dawn are likely to fly on starship before nasa will +--- 15358106 +>>15358077 +>>15358077 +Difference between two random people is about looking at the chart 17, a bit over one standard deviation if the population mean is 100 and std 15 (as it usually is), which is basically the same you get if you look at the equation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_absolute_difference) for the mean absolute difference of a normal distribution, which would be 2/sqrt(pi) +*std = 16.92 in this case + +if IQ wasn't genetic, the mean absolute difference between the twins should be close to this value (17), and not 7 or something like it appears to be +its almost identical to a person taking a two tests +--- 15358115 +>>15358088 +oh fuck i just understood why elon said delayed 3 days... +--- 15358116 +>>15357927 +Mars will quickly go from "holy shit I'm on Mars" to the equivalent of working on an oil right or fishing boat or something, like oh man this kinda sucks but at least I'll get some decent money when I finish this nine month tour +--- 15358117 +>>15358106 +> shitting up /sfg/ with IQ posts +we have a whole board for that anon +--- 15358125 +>>15358116 +this +except the risk of imminent death will be alot higher +if someone freaks out they could kill an entire section with a wrench too +--- 15358126 +>>15358116 +I think the people there would be much more mission focused +at least until the colony gets large enough +people just looking for a payday will risk their lives to go to mars? I really doubt that, they would at least have some interest in going to space and so on +being a mars pioneer won't be easy or safe, it won't be sold as easy or safe +--- 15358127 +Why is Musk doing the construction process next to the fucking ocean.... and hit by annual hurricanes... in an area that's 1 foot above sea level.. +--- 15358130 +>>15358127 +To test SpaceX's abilities. +--- 15358135 +>>15358126 +anon it will have to be easy and mostly safe for the pay +or you're not going to get enough qualified people +--- 15358136 +>>15358127 +In theory the testing should be easier because it's fucking empty there, unfortunately they didn't account for beetles. +--- 15358137 +>>15358126 +>people just looking for a payday will risk their lives to go to mars? I really doubt that +You underestimate how bored and poor a lot of Americans are. A minuscule fraction of the kids enlisting in the military instead opting for Mars duty is all that will be needed for the next few decades +--- 15358138 +Goodnight /sfg/. It's cool that such an important event is happening in comfy ausfag hours. I hated having to wake up for the hops only to find that fuelling was delayed or whatever. See you tomorrow bros. +--- 15358140 +>>15358127 +hard mode so when they get to mars it will be easy +--- 15358143 +Fresh ESG Hound + +https://blog.esghound.com/p/spacexs-texas-rocket-is-going-to + +>An FWS employee measured a sound intensity reading of 110 decibels (dB) three miles from the launch site during a static fire test conducted in February. + +>I expected more from our agencies, from the press, and frankly from SpaceX itself. I still am in shock that a rocket system, the largest in history, will be fired off, from an inadequate facility, in the middle of an endangered species habitat, by a company that revels in the beautiful failure of explosions with seemingly no guardrails and no respect for the real danger this operation presents to the public. +--- 15358145 +>>15358143 +>I still am in shock that a rocket system, the largest in history, will be fired off, from an inadequate facility, in the middle of an endangered species habitat + +good, fuck beetles +--- 15358146 +>>15358135 +wrong, spacex is not easy (somewhat safe I guess) and its still the most wanted place for new graduates + +>>15358137 +you think people would go to mars even knowing its very difficult and dangerous and the pay would be probably mediocre at best, not something you would do if you wanted to become rich +--- 15358147 +https://thenextweb.com/news/europe-surpasses-us-in-private-spacetech-investment-for-first-time-seraphim-space-research + +This is hilarious +>For the first time ever, Europe has surpassed the US in private spacetech investment, according to new research from Seraphim. + +but it's only for YTD 2023 (Q1 2023) AHHAHA +Also It's *mostly* due to that one Isar Aerospace investment +--- 15358151 +>>15358127 +you have to have the construction location close to the launch site, moving around those massive boosters and starships isn't possible to do for long distances +the launch site needs to be close to the sea so the launches don't go over populated areas +--- 15358153 +>>15358116 +Musk will have people working for pennies and they'll be sucking his dick to do it. +Maybe pay them in martian tenements. +--- 15358160 +>>15358106 +So the difference between someone doing two tests is almost half a standard deviation? That's enormous! I don't know how any unbiased person could justify using that as a control. +>If IQ wasn't genetic +I am not saying that there isn't a genetic role in intelligence, I am saying people are drawing conclusions that the data, shoddy as it is, does not support. +--- 15358164 +>>15358146 +not everyone wants to become rich. +--- 15358166 +They should just convert whole Cape into a facility for Starship. Who cares about other rockets. +--- 15358170 +>Teams are completing final checkouts and reviews ahead of Starship’s first flight test attempt; weather is looking pretty good for tomorrow morning but we're keeping an eye on wind shear +--- 15358172 +>>15358143 +he is basically saying buildings will collapse, peoples eardrums will be blown out, windows will shatter on south padre + +> The heat plume expected from launch would instantly kill any animal unfortunate enough to be caught in its wake. Though SpaceX did admit to this fact, several wildlife biologists I spoke with were stunned at some of the language used in FAA’s justification for minimizing modeled casualties. Lines such as: “Noise from the Raptor engines would cause a startle response of animals and would effectively direct them away from the area and reduce the risk of being affected by the heat of the plume4 +” appear to serve more as handwaving away actual impacts rather than discuss them in a serious manner. +based + +> I expected more from our agencies, from the press, and frankly from SpaceX itself. I still am in shock that a rocket system, the largest in history, will be fired off, from an inadequate facility, in the middle of an endangered species habitat, by a company that revels in the beautiful failure of explosions with seemingly no guardrails and no respect for the real danger this operation presents to the public. +haha fuck you cunt +--- 15358175 +Whoever made this should sign it, so I can upload it to e621 +--- 15358178 +>>15358172 +isn't cape canaveral not only the busiest space port in the world but also one of the best national parks boasting some of the nest nature protections on earth? +>yes it is +--- 15358179 +>>15358170 +--- 15358182 +>>15358172 +Do you blame the driver if he hits a deer jumping right in front of his car. +--- 15358183 +>>15358043 +>My experience with IQ tests is that your performance increases a lot if you have done an IQ test before. +I think it would be easy to rigorously test if taking more IQ tests will increase performance on them +--- 15358186 +>>15358170 +https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1647601303634460674 +--- 15358188 +>>15357957 +no curiosity +--- 15358190 +>>15358183 +Some even ask if you have taken iq tests before +The science is well settled at this poiny +--- 15358192 +>>15358182 +Yes, drive slower and stop using high beams +--- 15358195 +>>15358160 +>I am saying people are drawing conclusions that the data, shoddy as it is, does not support. +What's your best argument for IQ not being entirely determined by genes? (as opposed to environment) +--- 15358196 +>>15358172 +>real danger this operation presents to the public. +what danger? +--- 15358198 +100% chance there will be one or several holds on the first day. No idea if it’ll scrub though but probably. +--- 15358201 +>>15358010 +I can't help but think that this is an incredibly mass inefficient way of bringing back what amounts to a few pounds of dust. The lander looks almost as heavy as the rocket, and that as heavy as the space probe. + +For the love of God I hope Elon makes a mission to get back their own samples by 2028 fuck this old space decade long garbage. There has to be a better way +--- 15358203 +>>15357957 +no, that's Curiosity at 4.5 years after touchdown + +Percy's wheels are doing much better, having been designed based on the lessons learned with Curiosity +--- 15358207 +>>15358172 +>he is basically saying buildings will collapse, peoples eardrums will be blown out, windows will shatter on south padre + +Arise, arise, Stans of Elon! +Fell deeds awake: thunder and rapture! +Eardrums shall burst, glass be shattered, +a blast-day, a blazing day, ere the sun rises! +Launch now, launch now! Launch to orbit! + +Total Bird Death! Total Bird Death! Total Bird Death! +Ignition sequence start! +--- 15358208 +i cant wait to see what a mature passenger starship looks like on the outside and inside +right now starship is still kind of primitive +--- 15358210 +>Falcon Heavy is returning to its hangar at launch complex 39A +It's over +--- 15358211 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3onyucg_MG4 [Embed] +--- 15358213 +Imagine making wheels that damage themselves driving at 1 meter a day +--- 15358215 +>>15358201 +Needs a laughing SpaceX astronaut just digging up samples with a shovel +--- 15358219 +>>15358213 +space is hard +--- 15358220 +>>15358203 +lets see how they look in another 3 years +--- 15358221 +>>15358213 +Imagine driving a cubic kilometer a day with Starship +--- 15358226 +If Apollo were to “continue” in the form of biyearly flights to the moon, would we have eventually seen COTS but for lunar crew and cargo? +--- 15358230 +>>15358195 +The Flynn effect is the most stark example, the population 70 years ago would perform a full standard deviation lower if compared to the test scores of present population. +There are also meta studies that show the improvements from education accounting for selective factors, by comparing IQ at different ages and by observing the drop in IQ amongst students when out of school (IE over long holidays). +Many of the race IQ studies also show significant differences between the IQ performance of black children raised by white parents as well as showing that the gap between white and black scores has closed over time. +--- 15358231 +>>15358228 +It’s crazy to think space opera stuff existed even before we put probes in LEO +--- 15358232 +>>15357868 (OP) +21 hours and 30 mins till Starship +--- 15358235 +Less than 24 hours from now Starship will have launched (or scrubbed) +--- 15358236 +>>15358146 +If you tell a kid from Arkansas that he can make $400k for a 26 month tour plus nine months of training he will jump in a heartbeat. That salary is peanuts in the broader scheme of a Mars development plan. +Again you are underestimating how poor and optionless a lot of people are. 50k young people enlist in the US Army every year and accept plenty of danger in exchange for $23k/year and often no meaningful skill development. +--- 15358237 +>>15358230 +wrong +--- 15358239 +>>15358103 +I know the Polaris contract has them has the first Starship crew, but does that include on any Starship or just of one capable of launching/landing crew? HLS Starship looks simpler and safer than the Starship Polaris would use. +--- 15358241 +>>15358230 +Me on the right, Krystal on the left +--- 15358243 +>>15358237 +thats a very good argument i never thought of that +--- 15358246 +>>15358243 +shut up about IQ already nigger +--- 15358249 +>>15358236 +We're going to be too old =( +--- 15358250 +https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647610092974399491 + +9h 20min to Musk Starship Twitter Spaces (twitter audio livestream) exclusive for people who subscribe to Musk on Twitter +--- 15358252 +>>15358236 +The problem is that 99% of the people who would accept something like that are not the types of people you want on a Mars colony. +--- 15358257 +>>15358030 +Oldspace's defining trait is autism, really. I despise it in principle but hold an irrational love for the weirdness mass savings produce +--- 15358259 +I'm so bored, what should I do while I wait for the launch? Then when it scrubs, 20h waiting again +AAAAA +--- 15358260 +>>15358259 +learn something with gpt4 +--- 15358261 +>>15358252 +People who would accept something like that work fine on oil rigs and in mines and on every other industrial project in the developed world. +--- 15358265 +reminder elon will be talked about for hundreds or thousands of years to come +there will be statues of him, cities named after him, children of no relation will be named after him... +--- 15358268 +>>15358249 +I think they'd want old people, staying on Mars raises your risk of cancer in the next 20 years, but if you're already like 50 then it doesn't even really matter anymore +--- 15358270 +>>15358239 +i think they're going up in a dragon then docking with a starship +--- 15358272 +>>15358268 +mars cancer risk doesn't matter +literally a few cm's of material above your head is all you need +--- 15358274 +>>15358239 +Have they talked about what the lunar starship would be made of? Maybe stainless steel structure but the outside looks different +--- 15358275 +>>15358272 +Actually yeah I suppose the bigger issue is the trip, staying in deep space for 18 months +--- 15358277 +>>15358274 +Stainless painted white. +Simple as +--- 15358278 +>>15357879 +>Mars blows up on launch +Thanks my brain, you're very good at reading things. +--- 15358282 +>>15358275 +>18 months +its like 4-5 months +low dose radiation is completely overblown too +--- 15358283 +>>15358275 +>staying in deep space for 18 months +Transit time will be like 4 months anon +--- 15358285 +>>15358282 +>>15358283 +Oh wait was it that little, I thought it was like nine months one way +--- 15358289 +>>15358285 +Depends on the type of transfer you use. Some old mission plans had 180 day or longer transfers for mass autism but with starship it doesn't make sense to save that bit of fuel for like 2x travel time +--- 15358290 +Chinese Starship launching from man-made island in South China Sea 2028 (colorized) +--- 15358293 +>>15358282 +>>15358283 +Delusional +>>15358285 +Yeah that's about right. With higher energy you can get to about 7 and a half. +--- 15358295 +>>15358293 +>Delusional +prove otherwise +every single sim i have seen shows 5ish months transfer time +--- 15358307 +>>15357909 +>>15357912 +Bros, would you have children with an otherwise excellent partner with IQ less than 100? Even Elon fucked Amber Heard. I'm concerned about the consequences of super models and actresses for the Martian race. + +Does Mars need a "no idiots" policy, and if so what should be the cutoff? What does the ideal Martian eugenics program look like? Subsidies for high IQ breeders and their children? Free transportation to Mars for desirables? +--- 15358308 +>>15358293 +Perseverance was 6.5 months and it was a relatively low energy trajectory. 4-5 months is entirely achievable every window +--- 15358313 +>>15358308 +how much delta v does a fully fueled 150t starship have in leo again? +it was some absurd amount right? +--- 15358317 +>>15358307 +with space colonization there has to be a balance of ethics and ambition, IQ might be controlled for but I see it as far less important than the question of subjecting children to sealed environments for their entire lives. +--- 15358318 +>>15358282 +>low dose radiation is completely overblown too +Gateway will prove or disprove that +--- 15358319 +>>15358313 +enough to take 100 tons anywhere in the solar system, maybe even escape trajectory. +--- 15358320 +when are we getting cyberpunk starbase again? +--- 15358321 +>>15358320 +--- 15358322 +>>15357956 +They only have 30 years before the megaton mark and the official foundation of the Martian capital city. They can barely plan two missions in that time. There are good odds the rover after next or the one after that gets flipped over by a drunk Martian separatist. All assuming Elon lives long enough. +--- 15358326 +>>15357958 +crop, nigger +--- 15358331 +>>15358318 +we already know this from earth that its not true +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsar,_Iran#Radioactivity +low dose radiation is a complete fucking nothing burger +it might actually be good for us +--- 15358333 +Yeah, I'm thinking kino +--- 15358337 +>>15358319 +IIRC it doesn't get past Saturn without gravity assists +--- 15358339 +hopefully the last day people have such dismal thoughts as pic related, soon we'll be swimming in deltaV +--- 15358341 +>>15358318 +>>15358331 +also fuck i love bing gpt +i couldn't remember the name or where that city even was but bing figured it out +--- 15358343 +I remember Scott manley saying that the pads at LC-39 were built with the super heavy NOVA rocket in mind, in reference to starship operating there. + +However on Wikipedia it says that they were actually planning three seperate pads for Nova and they were cancelled when they finalised around Apollo around Saturn. +Any idea about this? + +Also worth considering that the original Nova was just an alternative design to the S-V, with similar capability. +It was the second Nova design study that created a much larger rocket for mars missions (up to 600 ton payload to LEO), and weighed around the ballpark of the SS/SH stac. +--- 15358348 +>>15358337 +One should wonder how long whatever equipment you can cram into a starship hold can sustain human life. Comet colonists within our lifetime? +--- 15358351 +>>15357997 +They're fun for children and people who are capable of not thinking about anything at all and just enjoying the flashing lights. It's also possible to do the opposite and overintellectualize the experience. You can take the lit crit mental masturbation approach to essentially anything, because the thing being critiqued takes a distant second to your own gay thoughts about your own gay thoughts about the subject. +--- 15358352 +>>15358341 +did you fact check it? its very nice, but gets stuff wrong still +--- 15358353 +>>15358333 +>a later idea to recover only the tail section with the engine was dropped as well because this was expected to produce a return on investment after only about 500 launches +SMARTbros... +--- 15358354 +Anyone here think the current LLMs could help with the space industry? They're already better than humans at spotting disease in MRI scans, so I guess they could be useful for spotting things in telescope imagery? +--- 15358356 +>>15358352 +nah, its close enough and who knows maybe some of the shit it hallucinated is true and we haven't figured it out yet +--- 15358358 +>>15358014 +Musk haters are really getting desperate. Seethe, you disgusting pervert. +--- 15358360 +>>15358354 +shit like langchain might be useful for connecting to bots or keeping people on other planets company +other than that i don't they will have much use +--- 15358364 +>>15358354 +they are going to help with every industry making people much more productive +--- 15358365 +>>15358062 +You can in theory get a normal looking twin and a black one out of two mutts. +--- 15358366 +>>15358116 +>nine month tour +Where are they going after that? +--- 15358371 +>>15358366 +Ceres, the Jovian system, etc. +>Yeah man I signed a 2 year contract for mining on Ceres lol. +--- 15358372 +>>15358366 +--- 15358376 +>>15358348 +>Comet colonists +Hell no, how easy would it be to get flung into the abyss? +--- 15358380 +>>15358147 +Europe outspending the US for absolutely dogshit results is only that much more shameful. How do Eurocucks even get out of bed in the morning? +--- 15358382 +>>15358308 +What's with those white bits in the middle of each blob? +--- 15358385 +>>15358348 +i remember some anon did the math and with solar power you could survive like 30 years by yourself +--- 15358387 +>Be Martian Soldier in 2250 +>Girlfriend left you after getting out of basic on the Deimos spinhab +>Martian withdrawal from Ganymede was a disaster and pics of the embassy being evacuated are all over the InterplanetaryNet +>Earth started invading the Moon a year ago and lost 40,000 soldiers and can’t establish supremacy over the skies +>Titan’s spy solar sails have entered the Martian system 3 times over the past few years +>Inflation is pretty bad; buying a Mushroom Burger (tm) is now worth 300 Maddies (mars dollars) +>everything sucks, hate it +>Oh man, looks like I have a year long deployment to the Islamic Republic of Triton again +--- 15358388 +>>15358382 +Times when you can't reach mars +--- 15358390 +>>15358213 +Brought to you by literal satanists. Imagine selling your soul for such shitty results. Satan really is the father of lies. +--- 15358391 +>>15358380 +Muh socialism +--- 15358394 +Here a question that will cause controversy, what’s the best way to terraform mars with the least amount of time and investment? +--- 15358396 +>>15358394 +Terraforming is a meme and unnecessary +--- 15358402 +>>15358207 +--- 15358404 +Hello my dearest, how are you? +The roads at home must be covered by snowstorms. +Stars are falling in the Martian dawn sky, +Just don't tell mom I'm in Starbase. +Stars are falling in the Martian dawn sky, +Just don't tell mom I'm in Starbase. +--- 15358405 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dQVAoGl1xc [Embed] + +Deneb sounding rocket third attempt soon. +--- 15358407 +>>15356989 → +>we should send all asteroids in the asteroid belt and crash them in to ceres so it can be a proper planet. clears its orbit and such +Ceres will NEVER be a proper planet even if you did that lmao +--- 15358408 +Space Canadian weighs in +--- 15358409 +>>15358394 +Depends on what constitutes “terraformed” to you. Dump industrial quantities of the strongest greenhouse gasses we can produce for decades until the frozen CO2 starts to melt. Then you get a mars thats as cold as Antarctica with a very thin poisonous atmosphere. But at least you can go outside with a warm jacket and a breathing apparatus. +--- 15358410 +>>15358380 +Based retard. +--- 15358412 +>>15358409 +Wouldn’t the difference in pressure harm you? +--- 15358413 +>>15358320 +>everything is dirty +>everything is owned by a megacorporation +>heavy industry +>software controls everything +>constant innovation +>direct brain interfaces +>offworld colonization +>global telecommunications system +>satellites +>manned spacecraft +What exactly is missing? A shared global VR environment and AI trying to wipe out mankind? +--- 15358415 +>>15358265 +Elon Musk first Fabricator of Mars, beloved by the Omnissiah +--- 15358416 +>>15358413 +When do we get robot limbs though? +--- 15358417 +>>15358380 +>How do Eurocucks even get out of bed in the morning? +we've got a few hours of head start compared to americans. +--- 15358420 +>>15358412 +I have no idea how thick the atmosphere would be if all the dry ice was turned to gas. Maybe it’d be thick enough not to harm you. Or at least not much in the short term. +--- 15358422 +So how many days of scrubbing do we have ahead? + +Tomorrow will 97% be a massive blueballing. +--- 15358426 +>>15358422 +It’s the first launch of a new rocket so yeah, good chance they scrub +--- 15358428 +>>15358339 +Less delta-v than solar electric and not fast enough acceleration for short Mars transits, it's DOA regardless of how hard old space shills it. +--- 15358430 +>>15358394 +Use Starship to install giant mylar mirrors that concentrate sunlight at the poles. 1 1km square mirror focusing sunlight to a 1m square on the surface will vaporize ice instantly. That's a lot of CO2. +You can install larger mirrors to vaporize rock as well. +--- 15358431 +>Even our science-fiction is dominated by concepts involving the settlement of the surfaces of other planets. Isaac Asimov dubbed it "planetary chauvinism". We also tend to visualize extraterrestrial civilizations as living on planets, when a planetary existence may only represent a very early stage in the development of technological cultures. But living on a planet is all we have ever known, so it may be little more than a failure of imagination. This may be best illustrated by an analogy: +>Imagine that you can intelligently communicate with a fetus in his eighth month of development. You inform him that in 30 days, he will be leaving his womb. What is his reaction? +>In all likelihood, his response would be along the lines of, "Well, I sure hope my new womb is bigger, this one has been getting a little crowded here lately. I also wonder if the next womb is going to wiggle around as much as this one". The concept of life outside a womb is beyond his experience and comprehension. +>We are born on a planet, and live our entire lives on a planet. When we struggle to visualize our future in space, we imagine leaving Earth and going to live on...another planet. We then pat ourselves on the back for this brilliant leap of the imagination. +>In imagining ourselves climbing upward away from the Earth and crossing the sunlit vastness of space, only to head back down a gravity well to the surface of another planet, we may be manifesting the same lack of experience as that fetus. +>It could be that humanity is on the verge of being born out into the universe. And it may not be just more of the same. +Well dwellers cannot recover from this +--- 15358436 +>tfw NASA has no Mars rover in the pipeline +--- 15358439 +>>15358394 +I don't think there's any way to terraform Mars quickly without killing everyone there, where quickly is still on the order of centuries or millennia. It's probably better to colonize first and terraform slowly if at all unless you're planning on your Earth-like Mars being a present to the successor species to mankind. +--- 15358447 +>>15358380 +Raped awake by "refugees" +--- 15358452 +>>15358431 +living on the surface of a ball instead is just very mass inefficient compared to fashioning the material of that ball into spinning habitats +most of the mass is useless and dead +--- 15358454 +>>15358436 +It's fine, just weld a Kuka industrial arm to a Tesla Truck. Paint them white, then send it. +--- 15358462 +>>15358430 +Can’t we just use thermonuclear bombs in the poles? +--- 15358466 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxHZQHhB1yE [Embed] + +homeless person video, one of the least annoying NSFers +--- 15358469 +>>15358436 +>There no satellites in Venus's orbit +--- 15358473 +>>15358462 +you are going to need a lot of bombs and radioactive fallout everywhere +--- 15358475 +>>15358466 +I’m going bald and I’m afraid of looking like a redditor +--- 15358476 +>>15358382 +Gremlins +--- 15358477 +>>15358462 +I'm thinking in terms of how easy it would be. Nukes are powerful because they release a lot of energy in a very small amount of time. But destruction isn't the objective here: the absolute amount of energy being delivered is. A mirror delivers energy continuously, not just once. I have no idea how long it would take for a mirror to outperform a nuke, but eventually it would surpass the amount of energy delivered. And it weighs a lot less, so you can bring more to Mars. +--- 15358479 +>>15358422 +These vehicles do not use liquid hydrogen. +--- 15358484 +>>15358307 +Amber Heard is intelligent and cunning +--- 15358485 +>>15358439 +>I don't think there's any way to terraform Mars quickly without killing everyone there +Good news anon, nobody is there +--- 15358486 +>>15358477 +https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/08/zubrin-and-mckay-plans-for-terraforming-mars-with-giant-orbital-mirrors-cited-by-elon-musk.html +--- 15358487 +>>15358473 +ehh, it's already radioactive. a little more can't hurt +--- 15358488 +>>15358422 +probably 14 or so days before launch +--- 15358492 +>>15358436 +But it has a Mars helicopter +--- 15358502 +Fellow Commiefornians, when are you waking up tomorrow? +--- 15358512 +>>15358502 +All nighter baby +--- 15358518 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TKJUJy7LhU [Embed] + +Interview with a mayoral candidate for Brownsville and I guess some history of the site + +>Here is an interview with Jessica Tetreau, mayoral candidate for the city of Brownsville, Texas and someone who has been on the SpaceX journey since before they broke ground. +>September 22nd, 2014 was the day SpaceX broke ground in Boca Chica on a project that not only changed the area forever, but one that will, if successful, propell man further than ever before.The SpaceX South Texas launch site is right along Boca Chica Beach, less than 10 miles from Brownsville city limits. +>Jessica Tetreau is one of the few that can say she’s been along for the ride since the very beginning. The original purpose and timeframe for launches have both changed since its big celebratory groundbreaking nearly a decade ago. +>While reporters told the public launches would start in 2016, we still have yet to see a fully stacked Starship launch, but as of this video release, that date could be April of 2023. +>We have had action and excitement over the years, with it all starting in 2019 with SpaceX’s 150 meter starhopper test. +>The timeframe isn't the only moving target. The purpose of the site also changed from its original use. +It was supposed to support Falcon 9 and Falcon heavy launches, but in 2018 SpaceX announced a change of plans stating the site would be used exclusively for the next generation launch vehicle, Starship. +--- 15358519 +>>15358484 +and a bed shitter +--- 15358521 +https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647629006089461761 +--- 15358525 +>>15358521 +COOMING +--- 15358527 +>we're at least 10 years away from people on mars +how do we cope until then? +--- 15358528 +>>15358521 +--- 15358529 +>>15358519 +hot +--- 15358531 +Starship will NOT fly +2 weeks until 2 weeks forever +--- 15358536 +Even if catching with tower doesn't work, the tower is quite good isn't it +--- 15358539 +>>15358430 +aluminized mylar is only 3 tons per km^2 +the cross sectional area of Mars is 4e7 km^2, so to simply double the solar irradiance you'd need ~1e8 tons, 100 times more than Musk's megaton goal, even assuming perfect efficiency and no other structural or station keeping components, which would in all likelihood be much heavier than some film +--- 15358540 +>>15358527 +By watching all the badass shit starship enables before then +--- 15358543 +>>15358536 +Yeah the stacking is great +--- 15358545 +>>15358536 +Honestly even if catching doesn’t work, who’s to say a Falcon 9-style system isn’t “good enough” +--- 15358546 +>>15358485 +...but we're planning on sending people in the next few millennia, right? Right?! +--- 15358547 +>>15358521 +aaAAAAAAaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA +--- 15358548 +>>15358502 +>be Californian +>wake up +tremendously poor decision +--- 15358549 +>>15358545 +>>15358536 +Oh ye of little faith +--- 15358554 +>>15358549 +I'm just a little sceptical about catching starship, booster should work +--- 15358555 +>>15358546 +We need to fix our problems here on Earth first before we can even think about expanding to other planets. +--- 15358562 +>>15358527 +I guess we'll have to settle for worldwide wireless gigabit, no more cable companies or non-Starlink ISPs, hosting servers wherever the fuck we want, broadband on airplanes, total US (read: SpaceX) domination of space and possibly manned space combat. +--- 15358565 +>>15358555 +I'm so glad SpaceX is building military hardware now +--- 15358566 +>>15358518 +actually its basically all about the history of the site, starting from 2014 +--- 15358570 +>>15358153 +He'll pay them in air, needed to filter out the Martian radiation or they'll become mutants with psychic abilities. +--- 15358574 +>>15358565 +>>15358562 +SpaceX has ensured that America will dominate the world for the next several decades +--- 15358576 +>>15358555 +No. That goal is unattainable since humans just invent new problems to address whenever we solve old ones. +--- 15358579 +ARE WE GOING?! +--- 15358580 +>>15358518 +If only they knew it would be a garbage place for Starship +--- 15358581 +>>15358570 +don't threaten me with supernumerary-breasted space whores! +--- 15358583 +>>15358579 +thursday or friday. retards think tomorrow +--- 15358584 +Has the F9 surpassed the Space Shuttle in mass-to-orbit yet? Does anyone have a graph of some collection of launch vehicles and total mass to orbit? +--- 15358586 +>>15358580 +the other locations mentioned that spacex was looking at was florida (happening as well), puerto rico and georgia +you sure those would have been better? +--- 15358587 +>>15358579 +In approximately one fortnight +--- 15358591 +>>15358586 +Who knows, maybe? Maybe other places didn't have beaches nearby that had to be open on weekends. +--- 15358592 +>>15358588 +found the retard +--- 15358596 +>>15358592 +Convincing argument! +--- 15358600 +>>15358574 +A fantastic achievement! +--- 15358604 +>>15358584 +probably? Considering it had more flights? +--- 15358605 +>>15358574 +Don't worry, Biden made sure to counterbalance Elon's efforts so this won't be true +--- 15358606 +>>15358584 +I imagine it depends on whether you define the orbiter as payload or launcher. If not f9 definitely wins, if you do then I don't know +--- 15358607 +>>15358600 +I hope they put ozempic in the water +--- 15358609 +>the schizo is at it again +--- 15358614 +>>15358390 +--- 15358615 +>>15358175 +make her more anime +more kemono +then it will be truly based +--- 15358617 +>>15358600 +This is an American world and you live in it. +--- 15358619 +>>15358617 +I really like this artist even if the radiators aren't big enough +--- 15358622 +>>15358619 +We need more realistic spaceships in media +--- 15358627 +>>15358574 +Don't worry. The Chinksects will manage to copy SpaceX eventually and won't have their population completely destroyed by brownoids and internal conflicts in the upcoming decades like the US and Europe will. +--- 15358629 +>>15358627 +Their demographic crisis will do it instead +--- 15358631 +>>15358627 +Do you think the Chinese will save you? Lol +--- 15358636 +>>15358376 +looks kinda comfy, and the skiing should be good +--- 15358639 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dQVAoGl1xc [Embed] + +5-10 minutes until launch +--- 15358640 +>>15358521 +>attempt +SCRUB CONFIRMED +--- 15358641 +>>15358622 +I agree. Although some people overcorrect and make every ship into a stack of ISS modules, unless it's deliberately near future oldspace aesthetic some balance of realism and artistry should be bridged +--- 15358643 +>>15358469 +JAXA's Akatsuki is still there. + +>>15358436 +ESA is still working on ExoMars though. +--- 15358644 +>>15358627 +This is what worries me. Le 56% (now probably 51%) meme is true, whilst China actively disallows degeneracy and can act on their will immediately. Want a space port in this location? Sure, we break ground next month. Here it's 1.5 years before you can start breaking ground, and then add 2 years for lawsuits if it's important enough but not a military installation. I hate this clown world + +>>15358629 +Not quite as quickly as the USA. +--- 15358646 +>>15358636 +--- 15358649 +>>15358639 +Where did it launch to? +--- 15358651 +>>15358649 +Kiev +--- 15358653 +>>15358643 +Amazing to think that exomars was an offshoot of the aurora manned mission architecture +--- 15358654 +>>15358631 +No, I think they will destroy us in the long run. The west is degrading at a staggering rate and will be completely fucked when the reddit generation is put in charge. We're already see those effects now. Only the most delusional underage subhuman mutt like >>15358574 believe the future looks bright for the west. +--- 15358655 +>>15358649 +its some suborbital student project, who cares lmao +--- 15358660 +My body is not ready. +--- 15358664 +>open up new thread in the morning +>already past the bump limit +Why do europeans care so much about starship all of a sudden? +--- 15358665 +>>15358655 +Just that no one bothered pointing camera up +--- 15358668 +>>15358654 +My dude not even actual Chinese people think like that, get off the culture war treadmill +--- 15358670 +>>15357884 +Very, very disrespectful! +--- 15358671 +>>15358668 +The average Chinese person is a drone that believe whatever they're told. +--- 15358673 +>>15358668 +t. gaslighting chink +--- 15358674 +>>15358654 +>The west is degrading at a staggering rate +by which measure and how is china outperforming us in those measures? +--- 15358677 +You have to get up earlier man, even in CA it's already almost ten. Morning is the best part of the day +--- 15358682 +Let's see Paul Allen's rover wheels. +--- 15358683 +Two weeks bros… are we finished? +--- 15358684 +https://twitter.com/peterrhague/status/1647629036611313664 +--- 15358688 +>>15358684 +Based and red pilled. Calling out trannyism cult in the US today +--- 15358689 +>>15358682 +--- 15358690 +>>15358683 +there is still hope +--- 15358692 +over 100 votes on the failure point poll now, the proportions haven't changed much +--- 15358693 +>>15358006 +They exit Phase A pretty soon so they can actually start making stuff. Now that you mention it they put out a press release a few days ago that I didn't see anyone talking about +https://mars.nasa.gov/news/9377/nasa-to-convene-mars-sample-return-review/ +--- 15358695 +>>15358674 +By not having their demographics replaced by low IQ brownoids and having far more control over internal conflicts while in the west it's just escalating? +--- 15358696 +>>15358674 +Race and IQ, mainly +--- 15358703 +>>15358354 +Already being used actually +https://phys.org/news/2018-09-machine-astronomy.html + +It'll get way more important in the future because the data being returned by missions is only increasing, and absolutely vital if you're doing solar observation +--- 15358707 +>>15358692 +Most optimistic result on tiles +--- 15358708 +>>15358684 +OrthodoxBros in real life +>Cool, generally respectable people +OrthodoxBros on the internet +>Retarded and cringy +Why are they like this? +--- 15358715 +>>15358521 +--- 15358717 +>>15358705 +Right pic goes hard +--- 15358719 +>>15358703 +LLMs are one archictecture of deep learning, which is again one are of machine learning +Large language models (LLMS) =/= Machine Learning (LM) +--- 15358721 +>>15358201 +Part of the sell is that it's a step on the way to developing actual human-class landers. I'd think it makes more sense to just develop something larger, like 5-10-ton, but I'm not part of JPL so whatever +--- 15358722 +So SpaceX didn’t even replace the two raptors which didn’t fire during the 33 engine test. Wonder what their issue was +--- 15358724 +>>15358719 +Hear me out, what if we converted the data to ASCII characters and set a language model loose on it +--- 15358731 +>>15358705 +It's cool how similar those pictures look at a glance despite essentially every detail being different. +--- 15358732 +>>15358431 +almost all science fiction is gay, and a waste of time. science fiction writers were all weird psueds, and pale in comparison to true geniuses like korolev and von braun, who had actually sane visions for the future of humanity. Try reading nonfiction next time, anon. +--- 15358733 +So what happens if the flight is a success? +--- 15358734 +>>15358724 +--- 15358736 +>>15358733 +Flight 2 proceeds without any changes maybe +--- 15358739 +>>15358733 +Next launch should be happening quite soon then +--- 15358740 +>>15358733 +I cum +--- 15358745 +So how does everyone think the flight will end? +--- 15358749 +>>15358739 +don't they want to build more starbase infrastructure first? +--- 15358750 +Who makes the best engine and why is it merica? +--- 15358752 +18h +--- 15358753 +>>15358627 +Lmao, Europe is fine, meanwhile the US is half niggers +--- 15358754 +>>15358750 +Russia built better engines actually due to their successful socialist system. The decadent west will fall in 2 weeks. +--- 15358755 +>>15358705 +Joe is based and the other guy works at SpaceX so is based by default. +--- 15358756 +well v spin is a false dichotomy, humanity's destiny is to become the STAR LOCUSTS who devour entire systems for raw material and move on +--- 15358757 +>>15358745 +see >>15358692 +--- 15358759 +>>15358749 +They also want to start launching starlinks as fast as possible +--- 15358761 +>>15358753 +Europe is not fucking fine man +--- 15358762 +>>15358733 +Depends what they learn about about the booster and starship on the way down, they might make adjustments to the next flight hardware. + +It can be a success but things can still go wrong, that would be relevant to expanded goals. +--- 15358764 +>>15358754 +>2 more weeks +--- 15358766 +If starship needs some major design overhaul it's going to take a while +--- 15358769 +>>15358732 +> post a quote that criticized scifi for juvenile assumptions +> anon tells me to stop reading scifi +cool +--- 15358770 +>>15358753 +Lol no, it's going to shit here as well. We're just 20 years behind in demographic death but will catch up eventually when you consider the hundreds of millions of Africans that are projected to seek towards Europe in the upcoming decades. Will be a continent of mutts in the west and slavshits in the east. +--- 15358771 +>>15358761 +It is tho +--- 15358776 +>>15358770 +>hundreds of millions of Africans that are projected to seek towards Europe +next level cope +--- 15358777 +>>15358769 +>(((planetary chauvinism))) +leave now +--- 15358779 +>>15358776 +Next level delusion. +--- 15358781 +>>15358779 +--- 15358782 +>>15358143 +>100db at least at the viewing area locations and SP Island + +That's pretty bad desu, usually I disagree with this fag but he may be right here, shit is gonna be loud, unless SpaceX have beefed up the water sound suppression since then which I doubt + +This has a real possibility of being SpaceX's only launch, if too many people complain and too much damage occurs even if it goes all well +--- 15358784 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcY8W9y0VaA&ab_channel=RocketFactoryAugsburg [Embed] +interesting chapters 0w0 + +whats up with rfa these days anyway +--- 15358787 +>>15358781 +>slavshits +LMAO, holy fucking retarded cope. No better than your average shitskin. +--- 15358788 +>>15358777 +Can't wait to suck rust in my brand new womb! +--- 15358789 +>>15358787 +dial 8 +--- 15358792 +>>15358502 +nevada here, sleeping at 6pm-ish +--- 15358795 +>>15358782 +What static fire could he be referring to? +None of them have been very loud at all +--- 15358797 +>>15358382 +Exact opposition, you need to do a deep space inclination change to hit Mars in these scenarios and the model can't account for that +--- 15358798 +>>15358782 +Streamer people on South Padre said the 31 engine SF was (subjectively) the same sound level as the 3-7 engine SF. +--- 15358802 +>>15358798 +Yes because low throttle raptor is very quiet. +You see it on the mcgregor streams. +--- 15358805 +>>15358784 +>it's real +--- 15358806 +>>15358782 +No one will go deaf from 100db +--- 15358808 +>>15358799 +seethe more, lmao +--- 15358810 +>>15358782 +>esgfag +he's almost certainly making shit up, twisting the truth. +the faa isn't stupid. if the loudness measurements don't conform to the model they would have done something +--- 15358811 +>>15358586 +I could have driven down to the one in Georgia +--- 15358812 +I hope that screeching boomer lady who called into the FAA public comment line saying her condo shakes during launches gets tinnitus and dies. +--- 15358813 +>>15358788 +You are deranged, the analogy to the womb was pseud garbage that sounds like schizo ramblings. you are literally a decadent crypto earther who wants to live confined in a faux-earth tube dreamed up by losers in the 60s who like it for the same reason they'd like to buy a yacht. Fuck off. +--- 15358818 +>>15358813 +>decadent +>buy a yacht +seething anti prosperity fag detected. +up the well everyone can have a yacht +--- 15358821 +>>15358422 +Starship doesn't use hydrolox. +--- 15358822 +>>15358525 +More like scroobing +--- 15358823 +>>15358808 +I will. A future of brownoids and slavshits is something anybody should seethe over. +--- 15358824 +>>15358781 +look at sweden, britain, france, germany +it is definitely not fine +--- 15358828 +>>15358802 +>low throttle raptor +>>15358782 +>100dB at that spot + +>high throttle raptor on launch +>even higher decibels at that spot and at the viewing areas + +That's not good +--- 15358834 +>>15358828 +110dB* +--- 15358837 +>>15358813 +>confined +And if a Martian needs to visit Earth, he'll be confined to bed +--- 15358840 +>>15358812 +source? +I didn't listen to many of those +--- 15358842 +>>15358732 +Von Braun wrote science fiction in addition to his IRL achievements because he knew it had the power to shape the future direction of scientific research and tech development. The only reason we haven't had proper spinhabs by now is government incompetence. Look at how Jurassic Park influenced biology, palaeontology, genetics, and even computer science and mathematics a bit. +--- 15358845 +>>15358813 +>pseud garbage that sounds like schizo ramblings +You have been filtered. I shudder to imagine how you'd try to interpret Plato. +--- 15358846 +>>15358784 +Lol, what even is the context? It sounds like they say "nazi platform" but they clearly mean something else. +Anyways, RFA's majority owner is looking to sell their share, so not good. +--- 15358848 +>>15358813 +because its luxurious? whats the problem with that lol +--- 15358851 +>>15358840 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKNZuIteyk8 [Embed] + +might be in this one. +--- 15358853 +ResearcherAnon here. My paper has been 3 months away for over a year. Goddamnit. +--- 15358854 +>>15358782 +Are you retarded? Not even the 90db circle includes the viewing areas that are accessible to the public. I would personally bring earplugs but I do that basically everywhere anyway so I can shoot people without damaging my hearing. +--- 15358855 +>>15358818 +>>15358848 +I am of course anti prosperity. Prosperity is fundamentally dysgenic. Imagine if musk had simply reinvested into yachts like so many others. longterm material prosperity for all is not a worthwhile goal, and is absolutely disgusting. +--- 15358858 +>>15358853 +just submit it, yolo +--- 15358859 +>>15358116 +See space mexicans >>15357941 + + They are cheap and get the job done even more cheap! +--- 15358860 +Anyone got the popsci mush reaction image? +--- 15358861 +>>15358854 +Are you retarded? look at where the 110dB was actually recorded far outside the red circle, then use that knowledge to expand the actual circle and you see the marine viewing area is indeed in the 90-100dB range +--- 15358864 +>>15358860 +nevermind found it +--- 15358866 +>>15358853 +R&R hell or are you just procrastinating? +--- 15358867 +i haven't posted here since sn8-sn15 days, but i've been lurking almost daily since then. glad we're back +--- 15358868 +>>15358056 +except block its FAA clearance +--- 15358872 +>>15358861 +That's if you take the source at their word. Are they really trustworthy? What kind of equipment was being used? Did they share hard proof of their testing? + +>An FWS employee +--- 15358873 +>>15358782 +>>if too many people complain +>build and launch biggest rocket in history +>scrap the project because 200 boomers living nearby complained about the noise +--- 15358875 +>>15358733 +Well the first thing they need to do is update the license to allow for more flights, regardless of success +--- 15358877 +>>15358868 +ah, when starship had legs... +--- 15358878 +>>15358872 +Yeah there could be bias, messed up sensors but idk, something to keep in mind that SpaceX are also biased here they wouldn't want to be stalled any further + +>>15358873 +they would just pivot to Florida then +--- 15358879 +>>15358867 +"Gentlemen, we are so back" +--- 15358880 +>>15358782 +>>15358810 +>>15358828 +>>15358854 +>>15358861 +Yup as I predicted. ESGnigger is flat out lying. The FOIA request talks about a maximum level. +These are the maximum levels as predicted by appendix B. +--- 15358881 +>>15358855 +Yes, steely eyed missile men never enjoy the good life +--- 15358882 +>>15358855 +It's retarded +--- 15358883 +>>15358873 +>US is hampered by having to please boomers, minorities, and corrupt byrocrats +>China is hampered by "made in china" shit quality parts failing well below their certified values +this is the space race of the 21st century +--- 15358884 +>>15358861 +That is of course assuming that sound is linear and not a wave that can be focused by atmospheric effects to produce highly localized areas of high intensity sound. It just do that sometimes. +>>15358869 +You'll be fine at 90 but I would wear hearing protection. +At 110 hearing protection is mandatory. +--- 15358886 +>>15358880 +At 100 dB it is important to wear hearing protection +--- 15358889 +>>15358882 +looks like space colonization isn't for you, faggot. actual, real colonists will have short, harsh lives in ugly places. I desire that, spinfags do not, because they are not real space colony enthusiasts. +--- 15358891 +SpaceX is going to be Spacejunk after Ukraine is destroyed, followed by an invasion of Taiwan which will exhaust the USA while China-Russia will pincer attack North America. +--- 15358899 +>>15358880 +>110dB reading in the expected 110dB circle +>>15358782 + +Okay then what the fuck is ESG bitching about then, that adds up to what the FAA predicted but hes acting like this is some gotcha? +--- 15358901 +>>15358891 +You have been sentenced to 20 years in the penile colony of Rura Pislocke for your posts. +--- 15358902 +>>15358891 +two more weeks chingchong. Just after the african rape monkeys of the east are dont exploring each other assholes +--- 15358906 +yeah +--- 15358909 +>>15358899 +I think he is just being disingenious on purpose, not the first example from ESGturbofag +--- 15358910 +>>15358891 +Lmao +--- 15358911 +>>15358889 +Holy seethe +--- 15358914 +>>15358906 +SLS is irrelevant +--- 15358917 +>>15358886 +It's fine. +--- 15358918 +100dB +>Jet take-off (at 305 meters), use of outboard motor, power lawn mower, motorcycle, farm tractor, jackhammer, garbage truck. Boeing 707 or DC-8 aircraft at one nautical mile (6080 ft) before landing (106 dB); jet flyover at 1000 feet (103 dB); Bell J-2A helicopter at 100 ft (100 dB). +>8 times as loud as 70 dB. Serious damage possible in 8 hr exposure. + +90dB +>Boeing 737 or DC-9 aircraft at one nautical mile (6080 ft) before landing (97 dB); power mower (96 dB); motorcycle at 25 ft (90 dB). Newspaper press (97 dB). +>4 times as loud as 70 dB. Likely damage in 8 hour exposure. +--- 15358921 +>>15358891 +keep us posted +--- 15358922 +https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1647655398957268992 +--- 15358925 +>>15358889 +>space colony enthusiasts +You mean scuttle from one gravity well to another enthusiasts +--- 15358926 +>>15358922 +>lets launch into the sunrise so everyone's view will be ruined +t-thanks! +--- 15358928 +>>15358891 +Shouldn't have left Energia to rot, Dimitry. +--- 15358929 +>>15358886 +Do you wear hearing protection while mowing your lawn? +--- 15358931 +on further review of my archive yes, perhaps 2019 starship-stans had a bit accelerated view of the program. we were expecting orbit by late 2020 perhaps. +--- 15358936 +>>15358922 +SIRS +--- 15358937 +>>15358745 +GLORIOUS +--- 15358940 +>>15358929 +Naturally. I can listen to some titillating discussion in what would otherwise be a very dull and monotonous task. +--- 15358941 +>>15358922 +--- 15358945 +>>15358745 +In an explosion, the question is really where the flight will end. +--- 15358946 +>>15358937 +Sagan would be a anti-Musk seether were he still around +--- 15358947 +>>15358934 +this might well still happen, in any case SLS is a joke even if they launch once a year +--- 15358948 +What would he think of Starship? +--- 15358954 +>>15358925 +Are you really that much of an earther that you would only leave earth when you could go live in a comfy faux-earth habitat in space? +--- 15358955 +>>15358946 +I read Seagal at first and I was kinda confused. +--- 15358957 +4.5k waiting +--- 15358959 +>>15358954 +the habitat can be anything, even faux-mars lmao +--- 15358960 +>>15358955 +yeah, seagal would love it. Imagine filming in weightlessness, where being a fatass wouldn't prevent you from doing stunts and shit +--- 15358963 +>>15358946 +he'd be pro SpaceX tho +--- 15358965 +>>15358934 +I fucking KNEEL +--- 15358969 +>>15358954 +To visit? Sure. But I wouldn't want my kids to grow up freaky in low gee, unable to live in higher gravity +--- 15358970 +>>15358948 +He would be overjoyed someone got full reuse working but dismayed it took so long to do. +--- 15358973 +nuclear salt starship +--- 15358974 +>>15358929 +Doesn't everyone? I'd rather kms than listen to a lawnmower close up for an hour +--- 15358975 +>>15358948 +would present the streams alongside insprucker +--- 15358976 +im back from a 5 hour nap whatd i miss? fuckin melatonin gummies destroying me +--- 15358978 +>>15358969 +you need to leave /sfg/. You are unironically a filthy e*rther. +--- 15358979 +>>15358928 +Imagine! They could have had an Energia-M with flyback boosters, and a small spaceplane! +--- 15358980 +>>15358976 +postponed until friday +--- 15358981 +>>15358976 +absolutely nothing + +5h 45min for Elon Starship Spaces though +--- 15358983 +>>15358976 +Your nap is longer than my night +--- 15358984 +>>15358978 +>STATISTS could be here. I HATE the government. +--- 15358989 +>>15358976 +>melatonin gummies +best +--- 15358994 +>>15358981 +https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647339528833896449 + +Reminder +--- 15358996 +>>15358963 +>he'd be pro SpaceX tho +Nah, he'd complain about it +https://daily.jstor.org/should-we-go-to-mars-carl-sagan-had-thoughts/ +--- 15358999 +>>15358974 +I don't and my hearing is still fine which is way no way starship firing would damage anything from that distance if it's not above 100db +--- 15359000 +>>15358996 +>le mars for the martianss + +I mean other than that +--- 15359002 +>>15358989 +yeah theyre good for getting to sleep but even if you take one for a couple nights in a row you have to nap a long time eventually. its like a crash when your sleepless but youre actually sleeping +--- 15359004 +>>15358983 +alaska anon? +--- 15359008 +Apparently ESG is comparing two different measurements and calling them the same thing + +Reading his QRT's lots of correction there that of course he is completely ignoring +--- 15359012 +>>15359000 +You cant just skip over 'if microbes, then colony evil'. Its faggotry on his part. +--- 15359016 +>>15359008 +And of course the other QRT's are all $TSLAQ faggots +--- 15359020 +thank you zoomer anon, it actually worked +--- 15359021 +>>15358994 +I really want to hear this but I also know this is the only time he will ever do a space on starship so can any other anons who paypig out let us know what he says? That or I have to resort to looking at Launch Pad's twitter... +--- 15359024 +>>15359020 +jesus christ that reads exactly like some of my friends talk. +--- 15359027 +>>15359021 +Subscriptions aren't available in the vast majority of countries yet +I think it was like USA, Canada, Japan, New Zealand and Australia or something +--- 15359036 +>>15358928 +tfw Energia/Buran was a fully automatic 100 tonner, while the American Shuttle could only carry 25t and needed pilots. +--- 15359040 +>ESG is so incompetent in checking his work that he somehow missed spaceX hired a NASA favorite contractor to do all the sound level/pressure models and didn't just wing it themselves + +lmao, how can you be this bad at basic fact checking +--- 15359042 +>>15359036 +If you include the mass of the shuttle then it's also around 100 tons. +--- 15359043 +>>15359042 +>If you include the mass of the shuttle then it's also around 100 tons. +Why would you. Starship payload also doesn't include the mass of the Starship. +--- 15359047 +are we all not sleeping tonight? +--- 15359048 +Tonight proudly, the Starships remember their brothers +>They remember their brothers who fell for Starbase as Martyrs +Commander Shotwell as one of the leaders +>May Elon grant her the gift of Paradise +>Fists in the air, praising Elon +>Reciting praise until we are out of breath +--- 15359056 +>>15359047 +I'm going to sleep so I'm fresh for Starship launch +--- 15359057 +>>15359043 +Because the 100 tons figure for Energia/Buran includes Buran. Energia/Buran is like if you slapped the orbiter on the side of SLS and doesn't do much more than the shuttle which recovered more hardware. +--- 15359061 +>>15358670 +wheels are in very bad shape. NASA should be ashamed of themselves. +--- 15359065 +>>15357923 +Cringe, cringe at the musk tweet +--- 15359067 +Redpill me on Beal Aerospace +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beal_Aerospace +Bullshit or SpaceX strangled by NASA faggotry? +--- 15359073 +>>15358201 +>I hope Elon makes a mission to get back their own samples by 2028 +Doubt it will happen, Elon is too autistic to care about space beyond "muh colonies" and he will also waste more money into social media. +--- 15359076 +hmm... Saturn V with starship upper stage +--- 15359083 +>>15359067 +>kerosene/HTP +I am laffin (out of respect) +--- 15359085 +>>15358207 +HEIL +--- 15359091 +>>15358175 +Cute! +--- 15359097 +>>15359054 +shh no tears, only dreams now. +--- 15359098 +>>15359083 +It's a very cheap and high density option, that's not quite as nasty as hypergolic mixes like nitric acid and doesn't require any cryo. + +It's pretty close to, but better performing than the Ethanol/HTP that the Germans used, but it's lower performance than Kerolox. +--- 15359100 +>>15358175 +>anti-anime autist not seething about this and throwing a tantrum derailing the thread + +I knew he was a furry +--- 15359101 +>>15359098 +I'm not against htp in principle, it's just weird seeing it so late relatively speaking. it's unironically one of the best candidates for in-space mono propulsion with harvested water. +--- 15359103 +https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1647659719992000512 + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN57x2a_waw [Embed] +--- 15359105 +Iapetus is overrated +--- 15359106 +>>15358356 +Yesterday it was literally arguing with me, saying there was a scene in the Spongebob Squarepants movie with a time machine at Thug Tug bar. +--- 15359107 +>>15358175 +Even he wouldn't complain about OC. +--- 15359109 +>>15359067 +Going up against a government funded launch vehicle wasn't fair in the slightest, but even if they had got past that they still had to compete against the Proton-M and Ariane 5. With the megaconstellation projects of the late 90s collapsing there just weren't enough payloads for the numbers of competitors that wanted into the market. +--- 15359114 +>>15358466 +he is absolutely the most annoying. i can only stand Das +--- 15359115 +>>15359100 +Holy fuck, I just finished catching up on the last thread, an I was wondering why the anti-anime poster only gets upset about anime/v-tuber shit, but not furry shit? Hmm, I wonder why that could be? It really activates my almonds. +--- 15359116 +>>15358664 +/sfg/ is most comfy during euro hours. +--- 15359118 +>>15359105 +> Giant two tone walnut with the only good view of the rings +Its massively underrated +--- 15359122 +>>15358521 +WE ARE GOING +--- 15359126 +>>15359116 +What a fuckin bald-faced lie that is +--- 15359127 +uh lfg lmao +--- 15359128 +>>15358899 +The picture where the circles match ist the predictions for the launch, not the static fire. If you compare it to the contours of the SH static fire, it's harder to tell because for some reason it's super zoomed out but the 110 circle seems further inwards. He also says he's comparing the proper measurements (LAmax and not the other one with the larger contours) but I know fuck all about sound engineering so I don't know if that's accurate. +Either way this won't stop the launch and if the FWS measured for the static fire I'm sure they'll do so for the launch as well so with some luck someone will FOIA those measurements as well and we'll know for sure. +--- 15359129 +>>15359118 +its a piece of shit moonlet that doesnt deserve a second thought. THERES NOTHING ON IT ITS ANOTHER FUCKING DUSTBALL. GO TO TITAN ITS BIGGER THAN MERCURY AND HAS MASSIVE FUCKING METHANE LAKES +--- 15359132 +>>15359127 +>mars orbit 2030+ +>on fucking sls +nasa sisters in shambles by 2040 when they havent even put another rover on it +--- 15359134 +>>15359129 +We're on to you, alien piece of shit. Iapetus belongs to us and we will expel you from its sacred soil. +--- 15359135 +Any reason they are landing starship on the belly in the ocean? +--- 15359140 +>>15359135 +So it will blow up and sink and they don't need to deal with tons of debris or the Chinese stealing their shit +--- 15359141 +>>15359135 +no fuel to make it light as possible give it the best chance of surviving reentry + they want it to sink anyway so the chinks cant steal it. +--- 15359142 +>>15358207 +was this supposed to be set to the chinese anthem? +--- 15359144 +>>15359105 +How is it overrated when no one ever mentions it? It looks cool and that alone puts it above 90% of moons +--- 15359146 +>>15358891 +--- 15359148 +>>15359122 +should I go buy some monsters tomorrow? +drink one as Starship lifts off +--- 15359150 +>>15359126 +Don't worry about it. +I'm looking forward to all you newfags who came in after falcon 9 heavy&starman starting to complain about the new flood of "newfags" if starship has a succesfull launch. +--- 15359151 +>>15359127 +>year long mars simulated mission +what the fuck? why not just go to mars +--- 15359155 +>>15359151 +too dangerous. give us another 10 years of taxpayer money and then maybe we'll go. no promises. +--- 15359157 +>>15359142 +It's just a rewrite of Théoden's speech. +--- 15359162 +>>15359134 +its literally just a tourist trap, theres no strategic advantage to it other than muh saturn rings and muh mountains which are literally everywhere in the system. yes here lets charge $2b to go and see saturns rings when you could just as easily make a closer orbiting station +--- 15359167 +How much delta v does it have? +--- 15359168 +>>15359167 +it has so much dV that it can easily do 180 degree inclination changes +--- 15359170 +>>15359144 +>muh cool muh mountains. +no strategic advantage in colonization, literally just for space tourists to go and see saturns rings. mountains are nothing burgers, go to miranda if you want to see something tall +--- 15359171 +>>15359146 +--- 15359173 +>>15358946 +post the hd version +--- 15359175 +>>15359146 +AAAAAAAAAAAA let me post +--- 15359176 +>>15357900 +Mmmmm roggs +--- 15359182 +>>15358539 +It's not about adding more sunlight, it's about concentrating it. +--- 15359185 +>>15358664 +Always have done. At least someone is fucking building and flying anything new +--- 15359186 +>>15359047 +you know when the launch window opens, why even stay up? +--- 15359188 +>>15359148 +Yes sir +--- 15359189 +>>15359173 +holy shit is this the sõyence bible? +--- 15359194 +>>15359186 +because 7 in the fucking morning is a really early time to wake up +--- 15359195 +>>15359170 +>B-BU-BU-BUT MUH COLONIZATION!!!! MUH COLONIZATION!!!!!!!!! NO TIME TO LOOK AT COOL THINGS WE NEED TO COLONIZE OR HUMANITY WILL PERISH!!!!!! I'M THE COLOONEEZER!!!!!! +--- 15359196 +>>15358539 +Just build a mass driver up Pavonis Mons or a space elevator there +--- 15359197 +>>15359047 +I must wörk +--- 15359200 +>>15359115 +>xhe finally figured out /sfg/'s secret +sure took you long enough +--- 15359202 +So, how come this doesn't damage the wings? +--- 15359205 +>>15358614 +No, I mean JPL +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons +--- 15359209 +>>15359202 +its not actually touching them, there are lifting points below them +and those aren't wings, they are control surfaces +--- 15359212 +>>15359202 +Starship is not being picked up by the forward flaps, you can see the attachment points underneath them in this picture. +--- 15359217 +Starship literally launches tomorrow and all Zubrin can talk about is UKRAINE, NUKES, CLIMATE, NUKES, UKRAINE, CLIMATE, PUTLER. The same fucking topics for years, it's maddening +--- 15359218 +>>15358631 +我看有可能 +--- 15359219 +>>15359143 +>>15359171 +>>15359175 +>>15359183 +>>15359192 +AI posters get the rope +--- 15359220 +>>15359217 +Mindbroken by bloodlust, many such cases +--- 15359223 +>>15359118 +Wouldn't Enceladus have the best view? It must be a mindfuck to view the scale +--- 15359225 +https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex +They uploaded lots of new SS pics on flickr +--- 15359226 +>>15359209 +>and those aren't wings, they are control surfaces +so...wings? +--- 15359227 +>>15359047 +I pulled an all-nighter Thursday/Friday for an unrelated reason and still haven't fully recovered, but otherwise I probably would. I still feel weirdly wired though and have slept less than I normally do on the weekends. +--- 15359229 +>>15359226 +no +--- 15359232 +>>15359212 +are they expecting to catch it on those? that seems precise. +--- 15359236 +>>15358636 +>skiing in 1/10,000 G +>good +hmmm +--- 15359237 +>>15359021 +It will be posted on youtube like anything musk related. But I don't expect any meaningful new information. Especially if you follow the development closely. +--- 15359239 +>>15359223 +>Enceladus +>Inclination, 0.009° (to Saturn's equator) +The rings would just be a straight line +--- 15359241 +Launch thread tomorrow at T-2 bong from SpaceX stream start. this may be the most important launch thread I'll have ever made. +--- 15359242 +>>15359195 +>WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE CANT WASTE RESOURCES ON STUPID SHIT!?!?! I WANT TO GO SEE SATURNS RINGS THAT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME FROM THE IMAGES ONLIEN BUT IN PERSON!!! NO NO NO NO NO NO YOU HAVE TO GO AND PUT US ON THIS SHITHOLE ROCK AND WASTE DECADES OF PROGRESS!!! YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE LOOK ITS A COOL ROCK AND NOW GO PUT US ON IO TOO!!! I WANT TO SEE JUPITER CLOSE UP!!! I DONT CARE IF YOU DIE INSTANTLY YOU HAVE TO WASTE MONEY ON STUPID SHIT!!! +--- 15359243 +>>15359237 +>>15359021 +someone will mirror the stream somewhere, just gotta find it +--- 15359245 +>>15359232 +doesn't starship land on it's own? It needs to, in order to serve as hls and a mars vehicle. +--- 15359247 +>>15359239 +that reminds me...we still dont know how starship will be powered for long voyages +--- 15359254 +>>15359245 +Mars one and Moon one will need legs, but tower should be catching starship like booster +--- 15359255 +>>15358806 +It would be very loud +--- 15359259 +>>15359255 +4u +--- 15359261 +>>15359245 +easier on low gravity worlds + +fuck earth and fuck 1g +--- 15359263 +>>15359118 +Mimas also has a good view of the rings +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R3ufj28lzM [Embed] +--- 15359265 +>>15359259 +thanks, big guy +--- 15359266 +The elon dicksucking here is pretty lame. You can like spacex without being a blind follower of elon +--- 15359267 +>>15359150 +Any newfags from the JWST launch here? +--- 15359269 +>>15359266 +But I like Elon and am a blind follower of SpaceX +--- 15359270 +this is the last day you will see starship and the orbital mount intact. Say goodbye spacexchuds it's over for you it's gonna RUD at T-0 +--- 15359273 +welp the collage is ready. Guess it was worth the effort, we'll see. I'll only post it if all goes well. Got it to fit in the 4mb limit. +--- 15359275 +>>15359263 +>Inclination, 1.574° +How is that a good view? +--- 15359276 +>>15359270 +RUD at T-3 +--- 15359277 +>>15359047 +what time is it in USA? +--- 15359279 +>15359270 +>15359266 +samefag is baiting (You)'s. theres literally so many people here who constantly shit on elon +--- 15359280 +>>15359266 +No you actually cant +--- 15359282 +I hate NSF like you wouldn't believe +--- 15359283 +>>15358926 +Have you tried asking them nicely to change the direction of the Earth's rotation for your convenience? +--- 15359284 +>>15359277 +stream starts at 7:15 am, 8 pm launch +--- 15359285 +>>15359241 +based baker +--- 15359288 +>>15359282 +you can just stop watching it's easy +--- 15359290 +>>15359118 +reminder that Saturn can't be seen from Titan +--- 15359291 +>>15359242 +>WASTE RESOURCES +resources are infinite. ngmi +--- 15359293 +You know, god forbid if technology like DART falls in the wrong hands. +--- 15359294 +>>15359275 +it looks good in the video +--- 15359296 +>>15359293 +wdym? its already in US hands. +--- 15359300 +>>15359266 +SpaceX exists because of Musk, SpaceX built Starship because of Musk +people were telling him that this is ridiculous, probably some people still telling him this is going to be ridiculous +there is no other company that even has a falcon 9 clone yet +you can like spacex without "being a blind follower" of elon, but not recognizing what elon has done is ridiculous +there are approximately an infinite amount of rocket startups, there were many before SpaceX started but no company is even close +--- 15359306 +>>15359299 +cutiepie +--- 15359308 +>>15359242 +>WE CANT WASTE RESOURCES ON STUPID SHIT +Billions for space research, pennies for the space colonists. +--- 15359309 +>>15359301 +I wish +--- 15359310 +>>15359299 +THIS is what they took from you +--- 15359311 +>>15359282 +>LIKE SUBSCRIBE COMMENT SHARE DONATE BUY MERCH +too be fair it seems like they have alot of costs compared to other youtubers of their size...they only have 700k subscribers but have to put out lots of livestreams, videos, and pay a large staff +--- 15359312 +[math]\unicode{x1F680}[/math] [math]\unicode{x1F316}[/math] +--- 15359313 +>>15359293 +DART is low tech it’s literally a probe with an ion engine +--- 15359314 +>>15359300 +>>15359269 +i think allot of us in /sfg/ fall under the category of blind follower of SpaceX and like Elon right? +--- 15359315 +>>15359300 +Come again? +>there is no other company that even has a falcon 9 clone yet +--- 15359316 +>>15359300 +>SpaceX exists because of Musk +And that's a bad thing. America didn't use to have integral indispensable people behind key projects. +--- 15359317 +>>15359312 +Since when did emoji work on 4chuds? +--- 15359322 +>>15359290 +It will be when the atmosphere is removed by Dysonchads +--- 15359323 +>>15359315 +How much mass have they launched into orbit? +--- 15359326 +>>15359316 +who was von braun? +--- 15359327 +>>15359317 +always [math]\unicode{x1F914}[/math] +--- 15359329 +>>15359316 +god what a retard. +--- 15359330 +>>15359266 +You're a fucking retard if you think even one hundredth of what's happening now would have happened without Elon. I wanted to hate him and thought he was just some rich cunt environmentalist at one point years ago, but the reality is too obvious to deny. +--- 15359332 +>>15359266 +Well you can but it would be retarded. Every good thing about SpaceX exists because Elon willed it +--- 15359333 +>>15359327 +Really makes you thinklstein +--- 15359335 +>>15359328 +it would be SO EASY... to strap those two to a central booster with a starship on top. Call it starship super heavy super heavy +--- 15359336 +>>15359129 +Just go back and forth between them, problem solved +--- 15359337 +>>15359284 +>12 hour stream +wew +--- 15359339 +>>15359282 +I do hate NSF's presenters with all my heart, but the video content is good. +--- 15359344 +>>15359316 +wrong, the much maligned captains of industry / robber barons were basically the same with some differences +and what about Jobs? there are plenty of key people that push through seemingly crazy projects and move tech/industry forward quicker than it might have otherwise gone +and in some cases it might have been abandoned for decades, like the space industry had been +there were numerous attempts before musk but they just didnt have that something that musk has +and I really doubt its purely luck. Getting lucky in one are and company? maybe +but getting lucky in two large disruptive areas? I don't think so +this is not to mention upcoming stuff like self driving, grid storage, boring tunnels, neuralink +most of these areas have competitors (except for perhaps boring tunnels, nobody really cares about that except musk) +--- 15359345 +the MARS COLONIAL TRANSPORTER... +--- 15359346 +https://twitter.com/NASAGoddard/status/1116310431969239040 +We asked and SpaceX checked. The LUVOIR space telescope concept can indeed fly on Starship! (graphic used by permission) +--- 15359347 +>>15359323 +China is going to carry 10,000 passengers to space by 2045 for cheaper than Spacex because they don't have mutt demographics. +--- 15359349 +>>15359329 +It means that progress hinges on random chance and not a process. +--- 15359352 +>>15359291 +>LGSC +untrue, always has been untrue. +--- 15359354 +>>15359346 +please no more unfolding mirrors. +--- 15359356 +>>15359346 +Thank you voyager poster +--- 15359357 +>>15359346 +Some comments are saying that only the smaller Luvoir B version can fit, the larger Luvoir A would require SLS Block II. +--- 15359359 +>>15359346 +looks like they have room to spare. make it bigger and add more folding mirrors +--- 15359360 +>>15359354 +ONE KILOMETER DIAMETER +--- 15359361 +>>15359347 +allright chang +--- 15359362 +>>15359354 +I'm pretty sure the actual issue was the unfolding heatshield. +--- 15359363 +>>15359347 +Spend those wumao wisely brother +--- 15359365 +>15359349 +holy shit im not giving this faggot any more (You)s. you sound just like an anti-musk tranny from my astronomy club, everything youve posted makes absolutely no sense +--- 15359367 +>>15359356 +Who is the voyager poster? +--- 15359368 +>>15359357 +>require SLS Block II +The thing that's never happening? Especially if starship works. +--- 15359371 +>>15359346 +>LUVOIR +>Launch date 2039 (proposed) +jesus motherfucking christ + +someone please do for space telescopes what SpaceX is doing for launch services +--- 15359372 +>>15359346 +holy based, astronomy faggots kneel + +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Ultraviolet_Optical_Infrared_Surveyor +--- 15359375 +>>15359349 +>>15359316 +ATTENTION: I want everyone to read what this fag posted +--- 15359380 +>>15359371 +not that easy in opticks +--- 15359384 +>>15359368 +We will build all the variants and you will be happy +--- 15359385 +>>15359346 +How does it get out of the Starlink slot? +--- 15359388 +>>15359385 +retard +--- 15359389 +>>15359371 +Won't happen unless someone finds a way to make telescopes profitable. And the chance of some rich guy being interested in funding a telescope is minimal, they usually prefer to waste money to go fuck around in LEO for a bit. +--- 15359390 +>>15359385 +Clamshell doors, duh. +--- 15359391 +>>15359384 +For me it's LSSS +--- 15359393 +https://www.youtube.com/live/TGfSrVZh7fM +DAWN OF THE FINAL STREAM +--- 15359398 +>>15359393 +dawn of the final license +--- 15359405 +>>15359389 +I think some space mining companies had some plans that started with some kind of telescopes to look for good candidates for asteroid mining +perhaps there would be some economic incentive function there that scientific telescopes could piggyback on? +and in any case, just making satellite buses cheaper in general and launch cheaper in general will make it easier for even unis and so on to fund and iterate over telescopes +--- 15359406 +>>15359389 +>a way to make telescopes profitable. +just turn them the other way and look at Earth +--- 15359407 +Reminder that our moon dominates the sky of its planet like no other moon +--- 15359413 +>>15359407 +I bet charon dominates Pluto's sky a bit +--- 15359417 +>>15359407 +weird how our moon's actual size perfectly lines up with it's apparent size and none of the others do. +--- 15359419 +>>15359405 +I guess they could do with the primary intent of searching for dangerous asteroids, but this would fuck capabilities for other purposes. Once I thought about a private telescope that sells observation time to universities or whoever wants to buy it, but I have no idea how viable would this be. +In the end, the best scenario I can imagine is NASA giving up completely on rockets and focusing only on developing science missions, and buy rockets from private companies. +--- 15359420 +>>15359413 +charon mogs the moon on apparent size from pluto +--- 15359422 +>>15359417 +this and the fact that the Moon has the same apparent size as the Sun makes me believe in higher powers +--- 15359423 +What the booster be launching? +--- 15359425 +>>15359417 +lmao, you really made me think anon +--- 15359429 +>>15359413 +Charon isn't a moon. They're a binary planetary system. +--- 15359430 +>>15359407 +What about Charon? +And the view of moons from the gas giants is meaningless because no one will ever go there. The cool thing is the view of the planets and moons from the other moons. +>>15359417 +It's just used as the standard unit for comparison. +--- 15359436 +>>15359419 +>Once I thought about a private telescope that sells observation time to universities or whoever wants to buy it, but I have no idea how viable would this be. +doesn't sound completely insane, but that would be a different funding model +how is observation time given out at the moment? is it related to how much funding came from a university or completely unrelated? +--- 15359437 +>>15359427 +I would put some graffiti on Starship +--- 15359440 +>>15359429 +binary manlet-planet system +--- 15359448 +>>15359422 +What would a higher power want? Why haven't they communicated us? Or are our biological instincts, in a way, an unspoken instruction from higher powers? +--- 15359450 +>>15359413 +>dominates the sky of its planet +>Pluto +>planet +--- 15359451 +>entire stack explodes on ignition +>/sfg/ collectively seppukus +--- 15359452 +>>15359450 +Jupiter Saturn Neptune and Uranus aren't planets either. +--- 15359454 +>>15359451 +This is what I’m afraid of +--- 15359455 +>>15359451 +sfg will be too busy masturbating to foxes +--- 15359458 +>>15359448 +>What would a higher power want? +About tree fiddy. +--- 15359460 +>>15359451 +I'll just wait until they fix everything and stack the next one to try again +--- 15359462 +>>15359047 +I slept 5 hours last night +I am too tired to hold out +Plus am euro so why the fuck not?! +--- 15359463 +>>15359451 +STEP BY STEP, GLACIALLY +--- 15359465 +Anyone got the high res photo of the spacex girls next to the starship tiles? +--- 15359466 +>>15359455 +Keep your dick out of the fox +--- 15359467 +I’m so scared bros +--- 15359470 +>>15359451 +Honestly seems quite unlikely. The engines are the most explodey part, and they've been tested to hell and back, including in flight. +--- 15359471 +I'm so excited bros +--- 15359473 +14 HOURS +--- 15359474 +>>15359470 +Getting cold-staging right is very hard. I'm worried the upper stage will hard-start and RUD. +--- 15359476 +>>15359451 +I have my Nikes on ready to go +--- 15359477 +>>15359451 +Failure is absolutely a likely outcome and wouldn't be the end of the world. The real thing to be happy about is that they're finally doing real (read: entertaining) testing again; think of this as a full duration static fire sans static. I just hope that if/when it blows up it's as spectacular as possible. I doubt anyone here will flat out kill themselves but I do hope you guys recognize that the point of the test is to fly the rocket, not to see it get to orbit which would just be a very nice bonus. +--- 15359484 +>>15359477 +even if its 100% successful its not going into orbit +--- 15359485 +>>15359478 +TWR 0.5 +--- 15359486 +is our guy berger going to be there? he lives in houston +--- 15359491 +>>15359467 +>>15359471 +The duality of man +--- 15359494 +>>15359486 +Yes I'll be there +--- 15359495 +>>15359486 +yes, hullo is not going to go though +--- 15359499 +>>15359486 +He's stowing away on starship with a MOOSE +--- 15359500 +norminal +--- 15359503 +The Asteroid Redirect Mission was cool and I'm tired to pretend it wasn't +--- 15359505 +>iS ThiS aN oRbiTaL LaUnCh???? +we literally have word for this...we've had it for decades. its called fractional orbital. +--- 15359506 +>>15359384 +Still missing the LSL +--- 15359507 +>>15359484 +To be pedantic technically it's meant to go into TAO, but yeah I forgot. +--- 15359514 +>the 100th anniversary of spaceflight is only 30 years away +fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck +--- 15359515 +https://twitter.com/Anton81191831/status/1647597472922087426 + +L_max vs L_Amax +--- 15359517 +>>15359514 +and more happened in the first 25 years than what came after up until now +--- 15359519 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5QXreqOrTA [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmDB1316Mjk [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vb9hFqF6i0 [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN57x2a_waw [Embed] +--- 15359521 +>>15359514 +Just in time for the first manned Mars mission +--- 15359523 +>>15359515 +> A-weighted decibel (dBA or dB(A)) is an expression of the relative loudness of sounds as perceived by the human ear. A-weighting gives more value to frequencies in the middle of human hearing and less value to frequencies at the edges as compared to a flat audio decibel measurement. + +https://www.nti-audio.com/en/support/know-how/frequency-weightings-for-sound-level-measurements + +z-weighing is zero weighing would be equivalent to the pure sound I guess +--- 15359524 +>>15359499 +is that guy...ok? +--- 15359529 +>>15359470 +if the engines are so reliable then why didn't a couple of them start during the static fire +--- 15359532 +>>15359241 +are you including all streams? these were all the ones I could find. had to convert YT links from live to watch?v= for them to embed >>15359519 +--- 15359534 +>>15359491 +--- 15359537 +>>15359515 +These guys... in the license, the FAA asked SpaceX to model shit like how would Starship explode when hitting the water in the middle of fucking nowhere to see potential effects, but sure, they made some basic errors in calculating sound +--- 15359538 +>>15359519 +>trailers for upcoming live streams +neat +--- 15359540 +>>15359316 +--- 15359542 +>>15359519 +Do you have one of those that have musk talking about crypto and a btc address that claims doubles the amount sent? +--- 15359545 +>>15359532 +Yes I will have a thorough OP as normal. Thank you for the links tho +--- 15359546 +>>15359316 +>America didn't use to have integral indispensable people behind key projects. +But that's always how American projects have been, the Dwight D. Eisenhower Interstate Highway System comes to mind as one of the largest +--- 15359549 +>>15359519 +Live in 14h +Live in 14h +Live in 12h +Live in 7h + +Perhaps I should go to sleep +--- 15359551 +>>15359436 +>how is observation time given out at the moment? is it related to how much funding came from a university or completely unrelated? +For the best observatories (JWST, HST, VLT, ALMA) it's given out on the basis of proposals, which request time for a specific science goal. There's no cost to the user, in fact a successful NASA proposal in the US means funding comes with it. For some projects and private telescopes it's possible to by into the project early on and benefit later, but this really only funds smaller projects and a handful of private telescopes (e.g. Keck) which now struggle to complete. Very little telescope time is actually sold. +--- 15359553 +>>15359524 +he's fine +--- 15359555 +We +--- 15359556 +>>15359555 +Wuz +--- 15359558 +>>15358268 +That's not how cancer risk works +Linear no threshold model is bullshit +--- 15359559 +>>15359555 +GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN +--- 15359567 +We need the image limit raising +> muh catbox +no acceptable +--- 15359568 +>>15359523 +>Pure sound +Won't somebody think of the poor beetles subjected to the noise? +Arrest Felon Musk immediately! +--- 15359569 +>>15359549 +NSF starting that stream 7 hours early to collect those superchats +--- 15359576 +>>15359567 +still 54 to go +--- 15359577 +>>15359567 +Just use 4chanX. +--- 15359578 +>>15359542 +lol +--- 15359581 +reminder that right now some 70% of sci posts are on sfg +--- 15359582 +>>15359519 + +would be cool if someone could find one from the Mexico side, but maybe no one is streaming there +--- 15359583 +>>15359581 +rookie numbers +--- 15359584 +>>15359372 +>>15359371 +>>15359346 +Note that LUVOIR is dead, it was only a proposal. The mission being considered now (Habitable Worlds Observatory) calls for an mirror of a bit bigger than 6 meters. Even in the 8 meter version of LUVOIR was too expensive and would take too long. Note that WHO also isn't on track for 2040 right now. The astrophysics budget has been flat for years, if that doesn't change it will slip by years. They need a huge new funding wedge just to hit 2040. +--- 15359585 +>>15358462 +That wasn't a permanent solution last time we tried it. +--- 15359587 +>>15359581 +well just look at the rest of the board +you've gotta have some kind of brain damage to attempt to engage +--- 15359588 +>>15359569 +EDA has some prelaunch stream too but i didnt post it because holy gay +--- 15359592 +>>15359555 +gon make it +--- 15359597 +>>15359581 +If sci is 70% space, why not rename it to spc space board? +--- 15359601 +>>15359584 +based astro anon knowing his shit +--- 15359603 +>>15359584 +LUVOIR is dead yet HWO is basically gonna have unfolding mirrors by the sound of it +--- 15359604 +>>15359587 +>you've gotta have some kind of brain damage to attempt to engage +based anon calling me brain damaged +--- 15359609 +why havent we see any pics or videos of the crowd yet? there must be 100k people there. +--- 15359611 +>>15359232 +the first Starships are not going to be caught, they just need to be lifted for now +--- 15359614 +>>15359584 +Yet again, nothing ever happens. +--- 15359617 +>>15359609 +delusional +--- 15359621 +>>15359315 +>drone dolled up to look like a rocket + +No my China strong friend. +--- 15359624 +>>15359346 +>Apr 11, 2019 + +newfags out themselves +--- 15359625 +does someone have the diagram about the launch SpaceX recently released +--- 15359628 +>>15359624 +wtf a space account I follow shared this today +--- 15359632 +>>15359603 +Probably. The language in the Decadal mentioned 'incribed diameter', which presumes it is segmented. But there is no design so far, a benefit of choosing half way between LUVOIR-b and HabEx is that all the design questions are back on the table. It's also not going to be designed right away, so things could shift slightly if the launch landscape changes to the extent they can put confidence in. +--- 15359633 +>>15359609 +This is a test flight. Not a manned flight to Moon or something. +--- 15359634 +Can't wait for the biggest non-nuclear explosion in human history. +--- 15359635 +reminder that Elon is still CEO of Twitter +--- 15359637 +>>15359634 +kek +--- 15359639 +>>15357995 +How nice, showcasing how a baby is made +--- 15359641 +>>15359635 +>>>/pol/ +>>>/g/ +I really don't give a fuck about Elon's other companies today. +--- 15359649 +>>15359634 +>biggest non-nuclear explosion + Halifax, Nova Scotia sends its regards +--- 15359650 +why does elon always reply to that obnoxious ching chong guy? what has he done to elevate himself and his mouthbreather opinions? +--- 15359651 +>>15358128 +Von Braun, the man who had the displeasure of realizing just how insidious Americans can be +--- 15359657 +>>15359609 +lmao no. there will be maybe 10k +--- 15359659 +>>15359624 +Jesus I can't believe it's been 4 years already +--- 15359663 +>>15359609 +100k for the first manned mission to Mars +--- 15359664 +>>15358929 +yes +I have electronic earpro that lets me listen to music while doing it over bluetooth +--- 15359669 +>>15359663 +nah artemis ii a fucking robotic test flight pulled 400k. first manned mission to mars will be millions. +--- 15359670 +>>15359651 +Reminder that the US would have been the first to launch a satellite if they didn't cuck Von Braun and his team. +--- 15359674 +/sfg/ history dive- + +>pre-Dec 2018 +Various unconnected launch threads +>17 Dec 2018 +https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10223076 +Initial catalyst, quadruple launch thread, first boca chica pics +>21 Dec 2018 +https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10223076/#10230858 +First suggestion of "spaceflight general" +>21 Dec 2018 +https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10231408 +SpaceX GPS launch thread, staged from previous launch thread +>22 Dec 2018 +https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10231408/#10235763 +First collective OC +>23 Dec 2018 +https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10237471 +First Starship/BFR discussion thread, starting relatively unbroken thread chain +>18 Feb 2019 +https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10399256 +First thread with "spaceflight general" in subject line + +>19 Apr 2019 +https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10562453/#10562640 +First suggestion to use /sfg/ in general name instead of /sg/ +>19 Apr 2019 +https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10571535 +First thread using /sfg/ in subject line +>1 Aug 2019 +https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10853630/#10854978 +First post of SLS is real copypasta on /sfg/ (or /sci/ in general) +>03 May 2020 +https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/11632487/#11632831 +Creation of 4ASS +>09 Jun 2020 +https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/11779749/#11780018 +First appearance of PROOONT-anon +>10 Aug 2020 +https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/11993520/#11994869 +First Krystal post +>07 Dec 2020 +https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/12425748/#12430004 +First appearance of the Zubrin sniffer +--- 15359675 +Can't for the upcoming SLS launch from Texas!! +--- 15359677 +>>15359670 +True but that did cause the space race +--- 15359678 +>>15359634 +I wish. But it wouldnt even make the top 5. maybe top 10 or 20. N1 was less than 1 kt TNT +--- 15359679 +https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1647716250943127552 +--- 15359680 +>>15359675 +Scale's more than a little off but not bad over all. +--- 15359683 +>>15359679 +is that his gf? +--- 15359684 +>>15359669 +400k "SAW" it across all of florida. big fuckin whoop +--- 15359685 +>>15359679 +--- 15359687 +>>15359683 +kek +--- 15359688 +>>15359674 +wish fireden wasnt so AIDS now +--- 15359689 +>>>/pol/423783488 +--- 15359692 +>>15359679 +Kraus can take some good snaps even if he looks like a dork +--- 15359693 +>>15359679 +>startits +I hope that loser has a mental breakdown and starts weeping for mommy. +--- 15359695 +>>15358475 +>58475▶ +>>>15358466 +>I’m going bald and I’m afraid of looking like a redditor +Embrace it, begin the reddit spacing +--- 15359696 +>>15359689 +>cue the flat earthers and moon landing hoaxers posting their cherrypicked webms, shitty conspiracy pics and terrible opinions +--- 15359697 +>>15359688 +Yeah someone else posted that 18 months ago, when I saved it, when fireden was usable. +--- 15359700 +AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - A federal judge in Austin issued an emergency ruling on Sunday to suspend SpaceX's highly anticipated Starship Superheavy first orbital test flight, initially scheduled to launch from Boca Chica, Texas. The decision comes after a consortium of environmental organizations filed a federal lawsuit, alleging that the pending launch poses significant environmental risks and that proper assessments have not been conducted. The court's intervention puts an abrupt halt on the high-profile test, raising questions about the future timeline of SpaceX's ambitious project. +--- 15359703 +>>15359696 +honestly they seem to have a pretty good grasp of space, they even posted this image +--- 15359706 +>>15359678 +Any LNG tankers in the Gulf of Mexico? Just curious. +--- 15359707 +>>15359700 +2 weeks bros, we are so back +--- 15359709 +>>15359696 +Just ask them if they agree with the Talmud on anything else +>The rabbis of the Talmud believed that the world was flat, and that the sun revolved around the Earth every day. There is a debate about the length of the solar year in the Talmud, and its consequences and the rare Jewish ceremony of the Blessing of the Sun (Birkat Hahammah) are discussed. The view of the talmudic rabbis is contrasted with that of the contemporary Greek astronomers. While the rabbis of the Talmud argued about the size of the flat Earth, the Greeks had determined the Earth to be a sphere, had calculated its circumference and had moved on to consider other questions. +https://academic.oup.com/book/1751/chapter-abstract/141387578?redirectedFrom=fulltext +--- 15359710 +>>15359700 +don't scare me like that +--- 15359713 +>>15359703 +Rocketry and National Socialism lead to each other if you do them right. +--- 15359717 +>>15359700 +tfw it's real +https://apnews.com/article/starship-test-launch-emergency-order-78241a08883aa903d3cf7eb6edaa1108 +--- 15359720 +guys go to Dr Marco Langbroek's website. click through the 'dubious stuff' links. Check it out... +--- 15359722 +>>15359706 +No but you could easily shoot a starship tank farm +--- 15359724 +>>15359717 +FAKE +BICH BASTERD +--- 15359725 +SpaceX CEO Elon Musk and company officials have yet to release an official statement regarding the emergency ruling. While Musk has previously downplayed environmental concerns surrounding his ambitious space exploration projects, his silence in the wake of the court's decision highlights the gravity of the situation. Members of the environmental consortium expressed cautious optimism, stating that this pause offers a crucial opportunity for proper examination and analysis of the rocket's environmental impact before resuming any future tests. Agitated SpaceX supporters argue that the ruling stagnates progress, but the company's next steps largely hinge on how regulatory agencies and the courts assess the potential ecological consequences. +--- 15359727 +how do i filter gpt posters +--- 15359728 +>>15359720 +Cunt +--- 15359729 +>>15357889 +--- 15359730 +00:03 + +I cant believe today Starship attempts a launch . Not next week , not next month , today. +--- 15359732 +13 HOURS +--- 15359733 +So I know it's not a full orbital test, but does it suffer full reentry stress? +--- 15359734 +>>15359674 +anything notable after 2020? +--- 15359736 +>>15359675 +I giggled like a little girl +--- 15359737 +>>15359729 +--- 15359738 +>>15359733 +>but does it suffer full reentry stress? +no since it will carry no fuel during reentry +--- 15359739 +Tower, you are clear for launch +--- 15359740 +>>15359734 +there were epic threads +--- 15359741 +>>15359733 +Anon , they will reach *7600 m/s instead of the 7780 necessary for a 200x200 km orbit . Its literally a fart away + +*speculation +--- 15359742 +when sticky +--- 15359745 +>>15359689 +>>15359696 +>ctrl f +>"jew" +>0 results +wow +--- 15359747 +launch thread paste is locked and loaded. Ready for action tomorrow morning. +I've been waiting for this one.... Starhopper, SN5/6/8/9/10/11/15 were all so long ago. Eons ago. Back when it was worthwhile to make launch threads for even lowly Starlink launches. +We're GOING lads +--- 15359748 +>>15359742 +launch thread is going to be the sticky +--- 15359751 +>>15359747 +Can't wait to poast in your launch thread +--- 15359752 +>>15359742 +Lunch thread goes up ~1 bong before the test window opens. Up to the moderators then, I'd imagine quite soon when we get into the final count. + +>>15359748 +yeah +--- 15359754 +>>15359747 +--- 15359756 +Apparently the injection orb it is 250X50 kilometers. Literally closer to orbital than Starliner at separation +--- 15359757 +>>15359747 +Thank you old frend +--- 15359759 +>>15359478 +Superheavy Block 5 FT +--- 15359764 +Let us reflect on the faggots who tried to stop us and FAILED +--- 15359765 +>>15359756 +Lol 4chan thinks posting a TLE as text is spam. +https://sattrackcam.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-starship-inaugural-launch-is-near.html +--- 15359768 +Ok but seriously, what are the chances it aborts today +--- 15359769 +which stream will have the best coverage? + +SpaceX Official? +NSF? +LabPadre? +Estronaut? +Clear? +--- 15359775 +>>15359769 +Clear! +--- 15359776 +we need an updated version of this +--- 15359777 +L2 reports SpaceX targeting 1 hour into the window - a delay of an hour +--- 15359778 +>>15359769 +spacex +--- 15359779 +>>15359769 +Expect a mixture of Estronaut and SpaceX to give you the best camera views. +Estronaut on full mute obviously. +--- 15359780 +>>15359769 +Spacex official, no doubt about that. The tranny autist that manages the who stream said this one is gonna be bigger than FH +--- 15359782 +Soo... when do they start evacuating the turtles? There's not much time left. +--- 15359784 +if they scrub tomorrow is it hard to find another launch window, or can they try again soon +--- 15359786 +>>15359769 +probably official spacex and clear in the background. +--- 15359787 +>>15359782 +countless grackle, turtle and beetle nests are going to be incinerated by elon soon +--- 15359789 +>>15359784 +There are no orbital constraints. They would just need the closures adjusted and commodities refilled. +Could probably do it next day or day after that. +--- 15359790 +>>15359470 +The engines alone are probably ok. Feeding 33 engines at full thrust is harder problem they haven't had the chance to test yet. If it fails at lift off, decent chance it would be reflected energy causing havoc in the engine bay plumbing. +--- 15359791 +TOUKO ANON I HOPE YOU ARE STILL HERE +I MISS YOUR VIDEOS + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR6DATfX7kI [Embed] + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8p-DklOW4A [Embed] + +required viewing if you haven't seen em +--- 15359794 +>>15359782 +Too late for that, they will be roasted alive and the government refuses to do anything about it + +>ESGfag: The heat plume expected from launch would instantly kill any animal unfortunate enough to be caught in its wake. Though SpaceX did admit to this fact, several wildlife biologists I spoke with were stunned at some of the language used in FAA’s justification for minimizing modeled casualties. Lines such as: “Noise from the Raptor engines would cause a startle response of animals and would effectively direct them away from the area and reduce the risk of being affected by the heat of the plume5” appear to serve more as handwaving away actual impacts rather than discuss them in a serious manner. +--- 15359795 +>>15359787 +>grackle +>nests +not possible with those nigger birds +--- 15359796 +what if we glue ourselves to the rocket? That will have to force them to abort right? +--- 15359798 +THE PIPING PLOVER +--- 15359800 +>>15359737 +--- 15359801 +>>15359776 +>Q3 2021 +it's crazy to think that this was two weeks ago +--- 15359806 +>>15359769 +I thought clear only commented over other people's footage +--- 15359807 +>>15359794 +It sounds unlikely that there would be any animals close enough for a heat plume to cause any meaningful harm, considering how much noise they make around that area at a constant rate. Id be amazed if there was really any animals at all around the area +--- 15359809 +>>15359807 +The damage from SpaceX’s incursion into South Texas’ pristine coast is already real. The harm from the full launches will undoubtedly be greater than what was disclosed to the public. These damages may show up as shattered windows and the corpses of hundreds of dead shorebirds; immediate and obvious. Or they may not be entirely clear until years from now when SpaceX eventually closes shop on the Texas coast for greener pastures. The scars on the land, the people, and the wildlife won’t just disappear. They’ll linger, and hopefully, by then people will be willing to listen to the story. +--- 15359810 +These retards are going to cause this species to go extinct at this pace. +--- 15359811 +> +--- 15359812 +>>15359796 +They will only notice right before the launch, and then it will already be too late - the automated launch will begin and by then.. it will all be joeover +--- 15359813 +>>15359794 +They will learn to respect human supremacy. Although I doubt the plume is large enough to do serious damage except for right at the stand, which should pretty much already be empty of wildlife. I hope it is though because that would look cool. +--- 15359815 +>>15359809 +I hear what you are saying, but its going straight through the other ear - I have zero reaction at all to this. Its completely banale to attempt to move and move the current timeline even further back for the sake of some annoyed citizens and a few hundred shorebirds. We build windmills and it kills more than a hundred birds a year. And then we build 20 of them, not even to generate any real meaningful power - its just there for posturing. Do you really think your posturing will have any meaningful impact over this launch or not? +--- 15359816 +>>15359226 +Wings provide lift, control surfaces control shit, its not fucking hard to understand anon, cmon. +--- 15359817 +>>15359811 +Fucking bats, get your ass back to Comal County. +--- 15359818 +>>15359801 +Kek +two weeks bros, it was really fun shitposting with you +--- 15359822 +Sneed shuttle +--- 15359823 +>>15359791 +God those were good times. And great videos. 2021 was a really great year in sfg history +--- 15359825 +>/pol/ thread is already filled with flat-earthers who say it's all fake +pottery +--- 15359826 +>>15359815 +he's just copying the esg article kek. hook line and sinker +--- 15359828 +Starship test flight mentioned on NBC Nightly news + +ummm based, seems slanted though, "not all its test flights have gone well", yeah because move fast, break things +--- 15359830 +>>15359825 +/x/ has been a disaster to humankind +--- 15359831 +>>15359675 +--- 15359832 +>>15359810 +evolve or die +--- 15359833 +>>15359826 +Ah I see, I have embarassed myself in this public space +--- 15359834 +>>15359815 +Wind power kills fewer birds per gigawatt-hour than most other sources of power, including nuclear +--- 15359837 +>>15359834 +Lmao +--- 15359838 +>>15359828 +Good news isnt interesting to them. Everything has to be portrayed in a negative light to get air time +--- 15359839 +>>15359832 +ok +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acBKrrqTkGI [Embed] +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLY1EjI3wr0 [Embed] +--- 15359840 +>>15359739 +Does the tower catch the tower or does the tower catch the tower? +--- 15359842 +>>15359834 +>including nuclear +steamed pigeon? +--- 15359847 +>>15359837 +https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/1943815X.2012.746993 +--- 15359852 +>>15359837 +he's right tho +--- 15359854 +>>15359828 +I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Starship, is in fact, Starship-Super Heavy, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Super Heavy plus Starship. Starship is not a Mars settlement vehicle unto itself, but rather another multimillion dollar component of a fully functioning Earther destruction system made useful by the Super Heavy booster, incinerated beetles, and illegal alien welders comprising a full send as defined by Elon. + +Many Mars settlers use a modified version of the Super Heavy system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Super Heavy which is widely used these synods is often called "Starship", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Super Heavy system, developed by the Super Heavy team. + +There really is a Starship, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Starship is the rocket: the payload in the system that allocates the Earthers' resources towards ends that will result in their destruction. The rocket is an essential part of an Earther destruction system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of an independent Mars and total beetle extinction. Starship is normally used in combination with the Super Heavy booster: the whole system is basically Super Heavy with Starship added, or Starship-Super Heavy. All the so-called "Starship" bombardments are really bombardments from Starship-Super Heavy. +--- 15359855 +>>15359685 +>>15359687 + +Wow they cleared every thing out. +--- 15359857 +>>15359834 +if anyone ever mentions bird deaths as an argument for why anything is bad you can be 1000% sure they're totally full of shit +an estimated billion birds die per year from building collisions in the US alone but you don't see anybody bitching about that and it's had no noticeable population effects +--- 15359858 +>>15359825 +>bots programmed to poison the well, quickly congregate on threads they are designed to target +huh you don't say +--- 15359866 +>>15359857 +cats kill 5 billion or thereabouts. they're the biggest threat to suburban area songbird populations. +--- 15359867 +>>15359791 +RIP TOUKO +a real submartian chad +--- 15359868 +>>15359769 +Estronaut and LabPadre’s streams are going to crap out at T-10 secs—as is tradition +--- 15359870 +yeah that's some starship right there +oh yeah that'll work +--- 15359873 +>>15359769 +yes. +--- 15359874 +>>15359818 +And it will still be fun, because another two weeks will start after. +--- 15359875 +reminder we've had at least ONE Mexican welder post here with starbase pics +--- 15359876 +>>15359346 +>>15359354 +the really funny part is that they used the smaller LUVOIR-B concept instead of the 8 meter folded diameter LUVOIR-A concept, despite it clearly fitting inside of Starship +--- 15359877 +>launch in Starbase but land booster on Florida tower +is there any way this saves dV or is possible +--- 15359878 +>>15359867 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDs7D9hqDLE [Embed] +fuck I remember this. so damn beautiful. +--- 15359883 +>>15359866 +Wind turbines kill raptors, though. That's a much bigger problem than house sparrows flying into windows. The kind of bird that's affected should matter. +--- 15359884 +is that elon starship twitter space going on right now? +--- 15359885 +clearposters should be shot on sight +--- 15359886 +>>15359407 +the moons of Saturn and Jupiter from the planet itself is a pointless comparison, you need to compare the moons from the surface of the other moons +--- 15359887 +>>15359877 +With a Starship you can go anywhere you want. +--- 15359888 +>>15359877 +maybe a little? they have a lifting reentry anyways, so I think maneuvering could be accomplished with just the grid fins and rcs +--- 15359891 +>page 6 +>only 29 images left +We can't go on like this, raise it to 350 +--- 15359892 +DM-1 launch day, /sci/ had 11,000 posts. All-time record. Will that be broken tomorrow? First American crewed launch in 10 years vs Starsneed? +--- 15359894 +>>15359891 +Mods will sticky the thread surely +--- 15359895 +>>15359877 +super heavy would need to be going like 4 km/s to reach the cape from boca. if it were to boost itself forward to reach that it'd be a little less delta v than a RTLS maneuver, but it'd also mean a much hotter reentry than it was designed for. + +the bigger practical issue is that you could only launch into one inclination if you were doing that. +--- 15359897 +>>15359877 +It would probably be difficult to get the latitude right and limit the orbits Starship launches into, but I think it's possible in terms of pure dv. Also worth noting that it would mean coming down directly over land, which is generally avoided for obvious reasons. +--- 15359898 +>>15359892 +* and by DM-1 I mean DM-2 +--- 15359899 +>>15359894 +sfg? no, that's for the launch thread. We survived some dark times with 150 image threads, we can survive one more. +--- 15359902 +>>15359891 +real men will post vivid descriptions of their images so others can visualize them perfectly in their mind + +NPC's need not apply +--- 15359904 +>>15359892 +I think DM2 will still beat Starship, but it wont beat Artemis 3. Maybe not even Artemis 2 +--- 15359905 +>>15359902 +real men have hover over plugin to view image url inline + +https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/2304/M2D9_HubbleSchmidt_985.jpg +--- 15359906 +>>15359885 +Furries should be shot on sight +--- 15359907 +>>15359891 +Everyone start bumping lower page threads +--- 15359908 +Fuck bros it's really happening +--- 15359909 +>>15359905 +>docking porn +no thanks fag +--- 15359911 +>>15359559 +>"we're going" +niet wat hij zij +hier ik doe het nog eens voor +WE GAAN +--- 15359912 +>>15359892 +probably not just because dm-2 got shilled so hard to normies +--- 15359913 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZSTkunGczI [Embed] + +>>15359907 +isn't that illegal +--- 15359916 +Any streams for the Elon twitter space, soon? +--- 15359917 +I wonder if bobndoug ever got reprimanded for snarfing down their entire food supply by the 3rd orbit of DM-2. +--- 15359918 +>>15359904 +I take it back somewhat, I think Starship OFT has a good chance of beating DM2, because /sfg/ began as a tankwatch thread and even runup to DM2 didnt have 1000+ posts per thread +--- 15359925 +>>15359908 +starship launch orgy party when? +--- 15359929 +>>15359916 +how? I'll pay rn how do I get it to us live +--- 15359931 +>>15359913 +>isn't that illegal +What? Engaging with outer-/sci/? +--- 15359932 +>>15359906 +Furries are actually based +/vt/umors are not +--- 15359939 +>>15359929 +yt/twitch +--- 15359940 +>>15358782 +I've been at louder concerts and they lasted way longer than the couple of minutes it'll sustain at that level. +--- 15359941 +>>15359929 +discord stream on your private discord server +--- 15359942 +>>15359929 +do a youtube stream +--- 15359944 +https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647736242363068418 + +https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/08/how-and-why-spacex-will-colonize-mars.html +--- 15359946 +How much dV has a fully fueled starship in orbit? do we have estimates about that shit? +--- 15359947 +>>15359932 +The mental gymnastics of bestialphiles is astounding +--- 15359948 +>>15359689 +i wish the tourists would fuck off +--- 15359949 +>>15359946 +Just do the rocket equation +--- 15359950 +>>15359947 +>he thinks furries are all about fucking animals +lmao this dumb nigger, no I just want to partially be one you dumb cretin +--- 15359952 +>>15359938 +good way to drum up interest for subs and get people talking, but kind of annoying to do it before most people can subscribe +but I guess in the end it doesn't really matter that much, its going to be somewhere anyway +--- 15359955 +>>15358265 +>Judge Dredd +Good taste. +--- 15359956 +yt is a no +--- 15359959 +>I just want to partially be one +KEEEEK +--- 15359961 +>>15358415 +At his side, the Adeptus Mexicanicus. +--- 15359965 +>>15359946 +6-7 km/s +--- 15359966 +>>15359956 +what the fuck? +you can't just start streaming with your jewgle account anymore? +just bake a twitch account then +--- 15359969 +I'm in +--- 15359970 +>>15359950 +So you're a tranny? That's even worse +--- 15359971 +Alright I'm subscribed to Elon Musk. what should I ask him? +--- 15359973 +live +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P73lXIJ5cy4 [Embed] +--- 15359975 +Starship in low orbit above mars, with the planet's red glare caught in the heat shield. Beside it drifts a tiny lander encapsulated in its white aeroshell, inside which nests a bulbous rocket two meters long - the Mars Sample Return ascent vehicle. +--- 15359976 +>>15359973 +GOOD MORNING SIRS +--- 15359977 +>>15359970 +i wish for total tranny death +tranny =/= transhumanist +--- 15359983 +>>15359969 +Summary so far: +FAA will only allow mini-starship launches from Boca going forward +Dragon to be phased out in favor of Starliner 2 +pause for FAA land acknowledgement +--- 15359986 +>>15359971 +ask him something really stupid that will infuriate him. +>will it have people on board? +--- 15359988 +>>15359973 +Thank you kind sir rajesh benchod +--- 15359989 +>>15359971 +>With the exciting launch of Starship today and big plans for the future, has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? +--- 15359990 +poking around the web inspector for an audio stream url but I can't find it + +>Elon says Chris B can talk +oh man +--- 15359991 +>>15359944 +This blog post and the one on Elon and AI that he published around the same time is what got me into Elon, spaceflight and AI. It was really far ahead of the curve in retrospect +--- 15359993 +>>15359971 +>>15359986 +"when are you going to try launching it as an ssto?" +--- 15359995 +>>15359955 +Dredd hates Musk +--- 15359997 +>>15359973 +Is this a scam channel? + +>>15359971 +Ask him who his waifu is +--- 15359998 +>solving problems on Earth +--- 15360004 +>LOW expectations +>probably delayed +>success is: don't blow up launch pad + +Chris B asks about launching +>probability of triggering abort is high +--- 15360006 +>>15359971 +>>15359986 +>Isn't starship technically a spaceplane? +--- 15360007 +>An ENTIRE cubic kilometer? +--- 15360009 +>>15359998 +the earth problems are easy and already being worked on +--- 15360011 +>"win" if they don't blow up the OLM +--- 15360012 +>>15359983 +>Dragon to be phased out in favor of Starliner 2 +Is that a joke? +--- 15360015 +>>15359995 +Nobody gives a shit about new woke Dredd. 2000AD Dredd was the goods. +--- 15360016 +>>15360006 +>>15360007 +>>15359997 +>>15359993 +>>15359989 +>>15359986 +These are all great ideas +--- 15360019 +where's link?!? +--- 15360020 +>>15360012 +he's meming I'm doing the actually summary + +>>15360004 +>>15360011 +--- 15360022 +>>15360006 +>>15360007 +>>15359997 +>>15359993 +>>15359989 +>>15359986 +These are all terrible ideas +--- 15360024 +>>15359973 +is this the old stream? +the channel isn't official +this smell fake +--- 15360025 +>>15360020 +Cheers +--- 15360026 +now he's explaining to the normies about horizontal velocity = get to space +--- 15360028 +He's been autistically explaining the difference between space and orbit for the last 5 minutes +--- 15360029 +My solution for not blowing up the launch pad: scrub +--- 15360030 +>>15359840 +Yes +--- 15360031 +ahhhh someone livestream it or something pls +--- 15360032 +>>15360024 +good morning +--- 15360033 +>>15359956 +discord would be easy but extremely cringe. you must agree to delete the server afterward and lock the chats and mute everyone. +--- 15360034 +is one of you guys actually going to stream it? +--- 15360035 +>>15360006 +>>15360007 +>>15359997 +>>15359993 +>>15359989 (You) +>>15359986 +These are all ideas +--- 15360036 +>>15360015 +It was, true +--- 15360039 +if starship explodes on the pad, will SpaceX pay for every broken window in Brownsville? +--- 15360040 +>>15360034 +how? +--- 15360042 +>>15359838 +>>15359854 +its okay, less slant than I expected, Sheetz redeemed it too + +I can post the link to it when they do on YT, this is the first time they've ever covered Starship +--- 15360043 +>>15360034 +anything spicy I'll post here, it's really nothing new yet +--- 15360044 +>>15360034 +Doing so will change the Starship crash location to your house. +--- 15360045 +>>15360039 +i'm sneaking into brownsville tonight to break all the windows myself to save spacex a few bucks +--- 15360046 +>>15360040 +nigger you dumb +--- 15360048 +He's just talking about Falcon 9 now and how great it is +--- 15360051 +>>15360039 +All windows will be secretly broken by the SpaceX ninjas tonight. +--- 15360052 +alright call me on my cell and I'll hold my phone up to my laptop speaker +number is now pinned in the sfg discord +--- 15360054 +>>15360048 +>f9 +>great +it was obsolete as of 1995 +--- 15360055 +>>15359993 +superheavy with a nose cone and very small payload could unironically be an SSTO, though obviously not reusable +--- 15360057 +this one +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=013OrwV5hRQ [Embed] +--- 15360059 +He finally drops one new tidbit: Maezawa will select one lucky beetle for DearMoon as part of an EPA settlement +--- 15360060 +>so many improvements.... hundreds.... between b7 and b9 +>electric TVC on 9 +>head shield on base on 9 is redesigned +>7 has retrofitted heatshield +--- 15360061 +>>15360054 +Why would you post this? +--- 15360062 +HAIL MUSK +--- 15360066 +Autisinal rocket lmao +--- 15360067 +>b7 is an artisanal rocket +--- 15360068 +>Autismry at scale +--- 15360069 +>>15360057 +Bless you, anon +--- 15360070 +>>15360059 +The tardigrades will tear it apart +--- 15360073 +>>15360052 +I lost the discord invite, you got the pastebin? +--- 15360074 +>>15360057 +is that you? based +--- 15360075 +Holy shit I can't believe he mentioned 4chan +--- 15360076 +>>15360057 +this is actually real +--- 15360078 +I feel excluded, I want to listen to Elon too :( +--- 15360079 +"there are many improvements in the bowels" +--- 15360082 +massive W for staging +--- 15360085 +>>15360078 +here >>15360057 +--- 15360086 +realistically when would we get a movie about SpaceX? +--- 15360089 +>>15360073 +https://pastebin.com/kEZrkDvb +--- 15360090 +>got to make sure the ship can land accurately/through max heating before you can fly it over populated areas for a landing +--- 15360092 +Wait, are they no longer ditching off Hawaii? +--- 15360096 +>>15360089 +I want to get a chuckle on this but it doesn't work on my machine + +>>15360092 +they still are for this one +--- 15360099 +>>15360092 +They're ditching it on top of the Chinese fishing boat/surveillance ship that will inevitably be in the area +--- 15360102 +>>15360096 +View it raw +--- 15360107 +>>15360092 +It's aiming for the Chinese aircraft carrier +--- 15360110 +>cape is for operational launches, not developmental +--- 15360112 +what major things has elon said so far about starship in the twitter space +--- 15360117 +>>15360112 +nothing new +--- 15360118 +Cringe post inc: +It is really unbelievable that they guy who's building all the cool stuff in the world is also incredibly open about everything. Starship itself is insanely cool but the fact that we can ask him directly about it and he does it all out in the open makes it so much more special +--- 15360119 +>>15360112 +nothing noteworthy besides >>15360060 +also probably expect a scrub? +--- 15360122 +>>15360112 +Not much. He said that it will be a major success if it gets past stage separation. +--- 15360123 +>>15360112 +talked about the failure modes +--- 15360125 +>>15360112 +Plans to launch a Starlink satellite constellation around Mars +--- 15360126 +elon making comparisons to the n1 now +it's over +--- 15360128 +>biggest concern is loss of launch pad +--- 15360129 +>>15360112 +He accidentally said "Krystal from Starfox" instead of "Methalox" +--- 15360131 +>>15360118 +Imagine bezos and blue origin was developing starship? We would hear nothing for years, then perhaps one video or something and a launch that might not even be livestreamed +--- 15360132 +>>15360126 +The n1 is iconic +--- 15360133 +Rocket fuel melts steel beams???? +--- 15360135 +>>15360112 +rocket fuel can melt steel beams +--- 15360136 +>>15360112 +Rocket fuel can melt steel beams +--- 15360137 +>>15360110 +holy copium from elon, the original idea was for boca chica to be the main site. Then the FAA came and ruined it all, why doesn't he admit that +--- 15360138 +"may fate smile upon us and we clear the launchpad. that's all i'm asking." +--- 15360139 +woman alert +--- 15360142 +>>15360112 +several months to rebuild the launch pad if it gets melted by starship blowing up +--- 15360144 +>>15360125 +that makes sense. he should sell nasa a constellation around the moon for artemis. +--- 15360145 +Starship is boring, post Shuttles +--- 15360147 +>>15360132 +sure, starship nuking the launchpad would be iconic too +--- 15360148 +>>15360144 +(he didn't say that) +--- 15360149 +>>15360145 +kill yourself +--- 15360150 +>she asked a question +>he totally ignores it and goes off talking about something completely different +--- 15360151 +>>15360135 +>>15360136 +melting beam mind +--- 15360154 +"PROBABLY TOMORROW WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL" +--- 15360155 +"probably tomorrow will not be successful" +--- 15360156 +>but probably tomorrow won't be successful +OVER +--- 15360157 +Musk seems very pessimistic about Starship reaching orbital speeds +--- 15360159 +>>15360150 +"what happens if starship doesn't n1 it?" +"it's going to n1 it" +"but what if it doesn't?" +"it just will" +--- 15360160 +Elon like +>but I did eat breakfast yesterday +woman like +>but what if you didn't, how would that make you feel? +Elon like +>but I did, it was delicious +--- 15360162 +My god he is so fucking autistic, RUD was not the question tard +--- 15360163 +It's over bros…we're back! +--- 15360164 +>if engineers threatened with gulag can't do it after 4 tries why should we be able to first try +good point ngl elon +--- 15360165 +Got an EA live video stream with Elon coming up +--- 15360169 +Wearebackbros, it's over +--- 15360173 +>>15360160 +He is truly an african american +--- 15360176 +Elon knows the RNGods are watching. He's doomposting to counteract but we'll see if they buy it. +No lucky dice so it's a big risk. +--- 15360177 +>>15360160 +>>15360173 +KEK +--- 15360178 +>>15360169 +2 week bros, we are so back +--- 15360179 +>>15360165 +Estronaut is there and it's live: +https://streamable.com/5t353u +--- 15360180 +>>15360160 +>How would you feel if you got stabbed? +But I didnt, I stabbed HIM +>But How would you feel if you were the guy that got stabbed +BUT I DIDNT STAB HIM?!? +--- 15360181 +reminder: EM said that FH flight 1 would fail 50% likely. It worked mostly perfectly. +I think it'll be fine tomorrow +--- 15360184 +>>15360160 +--- 15360185 +it's not going to blow up +it's going to do so well they say fuck it and land it softly in the water +--- 15360186 +>>15360173 +LMAO +--- 15360187 +>>15360149 +no +--- 15360188 +i know elon always tries tempering expectations before test flights but this almost feels like he's scared of negative media coverage in the event of a failure +--- 15360191 +>1000+ posts 2 threads in a row +based +--- 15360193 +>mass flux +wow... a newtons per coulomb times meters squared cubic kilogram +--- 15360194 +Elon is not a very good impromptu public speaker +--- 15360196 +>>15360191 +4 in a row, and the fifth was close +--- 15360197 +>>15360188 +any coping won't help lol +he should have said this like weeks before +too late now, but it almost seems like he heard something new recently that got him this pessimistic +--- 15360198 +>>15360149 +Anon, please. Just tell him to go fly in a Shuttle. +--- 15360199 +>>15360194 +yes, autism +--- 15360200 +elon just really has an aversion to thinking about things that are not immediately important. he would refuse to talk about the oil rigs to tim dodd because it's too far off +--- 15360201 +>>15360196 +just like the N1 +--- 15360202 +where the fuck is the pirated real stream? +--- 15360204 +TOTAL CIVILIZATION DIAPER DEATH +--- 15360208 +HOLY SHIT ITS LIKE HE'S READING FROM A SCRIPT + +Everytime its the same few talking points, over and over and over, every interview, every Q&A +--- 15360209 +>>15360188 +Maybe hes so embarrassed from the term Elon Time hes finally decided to temper himself and his promises a lil +--- 15360210 +>>15360194 +He is fucking terrible speaker in general, spergs are like this +--- 15360211 +>>15360202 +here +>>15360179 +--- 15360212 +>>15360208 +wouldn't you do the same if you were asked the same sorts of questions every time +--- 15360213 +>>15360202 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=013OrwV5hRQ [Embed] + +here is a re-sstream +--- 15360214 +>>15360179 +im not a furfag but krystal is kinda cute +--- 15360215 +>>15360212 +Thing is he's not responding to the questions he's just immediately guiding them towards these narrow talking points lol +--- 15360216 +>N1 mentioned once again +It's over. +--- 15360218 +>>15358636 +What's that +--- 15360219 +reaching image limit with the most based image in recent time +--- 15360220 +>>15360208 +it's just autism +>holy grail of rocketry, order of magnitude, what if planes were expendable, wake up in the morning and think the future is gonna be great +--- 15360222 +>>15360198 +It was a perfectly safe vehicle while in orbit, just needed to improve on the getting up and getting back portion of the trip +--- 15360223 +>>15360216 +>I encourage you to review the history of the soviet N1 +lel +--- 15360224 +>still no 4k re-scan of N1 footage +we're still stuck with the same awful 360p videos after 60 years. Fuck. +--- 15360226 +>>15360220 +>self sustaining on Mars, cost per ton to orbit, etc +--- 15360227 +>>15360220 +same old stuff mostly +--- 15360229 +>>15360226 +>production is hard +>population collapse +--- 15360230 +>>15360219 +Okay this is based +--- 15360234 +> 'over' 100 tons +>reiterates 'over' 100 tons + +I T S O V E R +T +S +O +V +E +R +--- 15360235 +>>15360222 +>while in orbit +Oh wow just like an airplane in the air, man imagine if planes were expendable - prices would be orders of magnitude higher! +--- 15360236 +> I am literally the reincarnated Korolev, come back to finish his work +Elon wtf! +--- 15360238 +TIM?? +--- 15360240 +>>15360220 +>>15360226 +>>15360229 +you just don't have the right stuff. +this focus on what is important is why he succeeds +--- 15360243 +>>15360240 +Yes, it's also why he sucks at public speaking +--- 15360244 +the solution is clear +gulag for spacex engineer if no orbit today +--- 15360245 +>>15360220 +>>15360226 +To be fair, Blue Origins entire - +>We are just at the beginning + - video, was just a repeat of the phrase: reuse is the future of space travel - over and over and over and over +--- 15360250 +>>15360245 +>asks about why they aren't doing fake landing on the ocean +>we can't add legs (???) +>ignores the question about the trinket completely +Elon please +--- 15360253 +zack asking a question now +>what was the largest hurdle to get the launch away? +--- 15360254 +>>15360250 +He mentioned something about needing to shift ballast around to reorient the ship. I guess they just didn't bother with it since they don't expect to get that far anyway. +--- 15360255 +>>15360250 +didnt mean to quote +--- 15360256 +>>15360244 +Da. Not a cushy one like Kolyma but +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazino_tragedy +--- 15360257 +>>15360253 +engines, we had to do a complete re-designe of the engines because Raptor 1 was simply not reliable and impossible to mass produce +it caused a delay of 6-9 months +lots of problems with the ground systems, the ground system is very difficult +--- 15360259 +>only 3.8k twitter spaces listeners + +Premium twitter is a dud. Elon's star has set. He's lost the golden touch he once had. +--- 15360261 +god shutup you dumb nigger +--- 15360263 +hot dog +--- 15360266 +>>15360259 +a lot of people just can't subscribe +--- 15360267 +>>15359448 +The eclipse is an instruction to build a Dysonsphere. +When we build it the Ayys will finally come down and greet us and saying, “Wait a minute, you aren’t Cambrian era fish?” +--- 15360269 +elon says he regrets building their own prop tanks instead of getting off-the-shelf stuff +--- 15360271 +>>15360259 +Starship pad explosion confirmed. +--- 15360272 +>>15360259 +goes to show, space is exclusively for us classy folks - its the theater of old +--- 15360273 +More likely to scrub than not +--- 15360274 +SCRUB CONFIRMED +--- 15360275 +>>15360259 +It's been open for like a day +--- 15360277 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiEaNluqMlw [Embed] +Corridor Crew made a kino video on Pluto today, great VFX and points. You all gotta watch +--- 15360278 +>it's more likely to scrub than not +it's over +--- 15360279 +>>15360273 +Cool, I won't bother to wake up early then. +--- 15360281 +>>15360269 +That whole incident was a mess, it seemed good at first - as they were able to use some scrap material they had laying around. But then it turned out there was quite a few regulations around How a propane farm is supposed to be built, insulated, needs a brick shell etc etc etc... +--- 15360282 +I will never have hope again. my soul is forever tarnished. truly, it is over. +--- 15360283 +>>15360279 +the power of elon saying it will scrub is overpowered by the power of an anon possibly missing a launch because the thinks it will scrub +--- 15360284 +Abrupt ending +--- 15360285 +>>15360277 +insufferable +--- 15360288 +>>15360277 +We dont classify Pluto as a planet because if we did we would have so many planets on our hands wed have trouble keeping track of them in those nifty astro models you see at the physics class room +--- 15360290 +alright off to the store for scrub day snacks. +--- 15360291 +>>15360283 +this is my fear, so I have to wake up tomorrow only to be blueballed again. +--- 15360292 +Post a picture of how excited you are for tomorrow, /sfg/! Here's mine. +--- 15360295 +>>15360292 +pic related +--- 15360297 +>>15360292 +mine: +--- 15360299 +https://twitter.com/waynehale/status/1647730058201579521 + +Best wishes to SpaceX for a successful flight tomorrow. The nation needs that big rocket. + +But having experienced first time rocket launches before, I’m keeping expectations in check. +--- 15360300 +>>15360292 +>:).apng +--- 15360301 +>>15360277 +Good video for anyone under the age of 14 +--- 15360303 +>>15360292 +(｡◕‿‿◕｡) +--- 15360304 +>>15360291 +>>15360295 +>>15360297 +--- 15360305 +https://twitter.com/Astrolab_Space/status/1647752052938887170 + +Our CEO, Jaret Matthews, is on-site to view @SpaceX +’s Starship launch tomorrow morning. + +We’re all very excited and wish our launch & landing provider good luck on this exciting test flight! +--- 15360306 +>>15360292 +ok anonymous, here's mine +...............…………………………._¸„„„„_ +…………………….…………...„--~*'¯…….'\ +………….…………………… („-~~--„¸_….,/ì'Ì +…….…………………….¸„-^"¯ : : : : :¸-¯"¯/' +……………………¸„„-^"¯ : : : : : : : '\¸„„,-" +**¯¯¯'^^~-„„„----~^*'"¯ : : : : : : : : : :¸-" +.:.:.:.:.„-^" : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :„-" +:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.: : : : : : : : : : ¸„-^¯ +.::.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. : : : : : : : ¸„„-^¯ +:.' : : '\ : : : : : : : ;¸„„-~" +:.:.:: :"-„""***/*'ì¸'¯ +:.': : : : :"-„ : : :"\ +.:.:.: : : : :" : : : : \, +:.: : : : : : : : : : : : 'Ì +: : : : : : :, : : : : : :/ +"-„_::::_„-*__„„~" +--- 15360308 +"Hey Elon, just one last quick question before you go. If Starship makes it to sub-orbit tomorrow, will it be a planet?" +--- 15360309 +>>15360292 +8==============D +--- 15360310 +>>15360285 +>>15360301 +faggot pluto lover i posted this video so you niggers would fuck off with trying to get it named a planet +--- 15360311 +>>15360292 +:=| +--- 15360314 +>>15360306 +wtf is that real? +--- 15360315 +>>15360277 +pop_sci_mind_mush.gif +--- 15360317 +>>15360292 +:DD :D +--- 15360318 +>>15360306 +Cute, is that Twotoes from the zone beyond time +--- 15360320 +Sooo the black guy was just trying to validate his own GSE coverage? fag +--- 15360321 +>>15360310 +the corridor crew should be executed for being faggots +--- 15360325 +12 fucking horus man +--- 15360327 +>>15358043 +I have a PhD in mathematics, and my thesis mostly involved a lot of linear algebra so I'm used to looking at matrices with a particular regular structure. When I did an IQ test the score came out as 153, and I know for a fact that I'm average at best. I found all of the pattern finding questions very easy, because they reminded me of the stuff I was doing all day at work. +--- 15360328 +>>15360325 +Don't worry, it will probably scrub +--- 15360330 +https://twitter.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1647751340397830144 + +Elon similarly set expectations before the inaugural Falcon Heavy, and then it aced the flight near the end of the window. I’m pumped for a 9:25am launch and hoping for a great learning experience for SpaceX tomorrow +--- 15360331 +Raptor 1 600hz doomers validated completely +--- 15360336 +12 HOURS +smug-starship-chan.png +--- 15360339 +>>15358596 +told you it would scrub tomorrow. you retards just don't want to listen +--- 15360340 +>>15360330 +Elon is far FAR more of a Starship OFT doomer than at any point for FH Demo +--- 15360341 +https://twitter.com/TMFAssociates/status/1647752735817867268 + +> NPR’s piece on the upcoming Starship launch, including my comments on the business implications + +https://www.npr.org/2023/04/16/1169734535/spacex-prepares-to-launch-its-mammoth-rocket-starship + +> SpaceX prepares to launch its mammoth rocket 'Starship' +--- 15360342 +>>15360292 +--- 15360343 +>>15360327 +>I know for a fact that I'm average at best +>I have a PhD in mathematics +????? +--- 15360344 +>>15360340 +yeah he sounded really pessimistic, perhaps more pessimistic I've ever heard him other than when talking about AI doom +--- 15360345 +Well, at least if it RUDs and it carpet-bombs the launchpad I'm going to laugh a little bit with the comments here and the hundreds of "it's over" replies, before I get depressed and close the tab. +--- 15360348 +>>15360343 +So afraid of being a dunning pseuder he HAS to downplay himself +--- 15360350 +>>15360345 +They'll just setup a launch tower production line alongside the boosters and ships. +--- 15360351 +>>15360345 +Imagine if Estronaut gets crushed by a falling Raptor +--- 15360353 +>>15360325 +>horus +elon was once his half-brother, anubis +--- 15360355 +Staging: +>>15360354 +--- 15360360 +>>15360355 +dummy + +>page 7 +--- 15360362 +>page 7 +--- 15360364 +https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1647732244209868800 + +> It’s a very big rocket. +--- 15360366 +>>15360355 +>page 7 +--- 15360369 +>>15360355 +too early +--- 15360370 +>página siete +--- 15360372 +>>15360355 +i got chewed out last time for posting your image in an op. +--- 15360375 +>>15360343 +Most of the people I know have PhDs. A few have real genius but most are kind of retarded like I am. I discovered years ago that getting down and just working, especially if you enjoy the work, is more useful than inate genius. +--- 15360376 +Musk liked this tweet + +https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1647740749742571520 + +> Elon Musk on Twitter says success of Starship's first launch is: "Just don't blow up the launchpad." Says there is a high probability of postponement given the complexity of the rocket and the stakes. + +> "It might launch tomorrow. But if we're going to be very careful, and if we see any thing that gives us concern we will postpone the launch. ... This is not like, you know, some sort of train leaving the station at precisely like 9:03a.m. or something like that." + +>On possibility of a RUD: It's got "33 engines, and if any one of them goes wrong, it's like it's like having a box of grenades. You know, really big grenades." + +> "Probably tomorrow will not be successful. If by successful one means reaching orbit." +--- 15360377 +>>15360342 +wtf, I think this my post but the reply is missing. Does 4chan strip out some characters? Testing with my reply after the colon: +--- 15360378 +>>15360364 +>>15360364 +>>15360364 +>>15360364 +--- 15360388 +>>15360342 +how did you reply without posting anything? +--- 15360389 +>>15360364 +>Scott Manley +>It looks shorter than your head +GIGAKEK +--- 15360392 +>>15360388 +--- 15360394 +>>15360355 +Fuck OFF +--- 15360396 +>>15359476 +based self annihilating space eunuch +--- 15360398 +t-minus: TWO! MORE! WEEKS!!! +--- 15360399 +https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1647714873701269511 + +> Even in person, the scale of Starship is astonishing +--- 15360402 +>>15360399 +>even in person +what +That's where it would be most astonishing +--- 15360407 +>>15360378 +kek +--- 15360409 +>>15360392 +teach me +--- 15360410 +>>15360378 +nice +--- 15360413 +>>15360355 +#rekt +--- 15360414 +>I have to get back to work + +The work: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647757075869466627 +--- 15360415 +>>15360399 +>>15360364 +Are they doing a pre launch press conference tonight or something? seems like all the journos are down there early +--- 15360418 +Thank you for protecting the integrity of /sci/ (for free), jannies. +--- 15360419 +>>15360413 +Our Icarus flew too close to the sun ;_; +--- 15360421 +5,328 waiting Scheduled for Apr 17, 2023 +--- 15360422 +>>15360414 +Again, learning from the Soviets. Their space program fell apart because their country fell apart. +--- 15360424 +>>15360414 +How come elon is tweeting right now if I'm watching him live talking about crypto? +--- 15360427 +>>15360422 +It was a shadow of itself long before then. +--- 15360428 +>>15360424 +His PR handles twitter. you dont actually think it's him tweeting did you? LOL +--- 15360429 +>>15360427 +I believe in Energia, and you should too. +--- 15360430 +>>15360424 +He is tweeting via neuralink +--- 15360431 +>>15359776 +--- 15360436 +https://www.youtube.com/live/vT3B4WYAntI?feature=share holy shit everyday todd is streaming now +--- 15360438 +>>15359407 +The gas giant moons are surprisingly big in the skies of their worlds. +Also I'm surprised at how visible Phobos is. +--- 15360439 +Elon setting low expectations is good. I can finally go to bed. +--- 15360442 +What background music should I play during the launch? +--- 15360444 +>>15360436 +Those super charts aren't gonna donate themselves +--- 15360445 +>>15360414 +Being based and redpilled is a lot of work. +--- 15360447 +>>15360439 +GOODNIGHT ANON! +--- 15360448 +>page 7, now page 6 +>jannies abusing their image posting privileges openly + +lol + +lmao +--- 15360450 +>>15360448 +I think you can still do some mobile posting weirdness to get around the limit, sometimes +--- 15360451 +>>15360431 +what the fuck +>mods = gods +>verification not required +--- 15360453 +>>15360448 +This thread is never going to die +--- 15360454 +>>15360448 +>>15360450 +No what you do is delete one of your previous posts +--- 15360459 +>>15360429 +It doesn't really compare to the amount of progress they made in the '60s and early '70s. They never really set their sights quite so high after then. +--- 15360460 +[twitter screenshot] +--- 15360463 +Can someone tell me why /sfg/ is so far back in catalog when there is 1200 replies and constantly new replies posted within ten minutes? +--- 15360464 +>>15360460 +holy shit its over, musk is finished. +--- 15360465 +>>15360459 +Late 80s soviet space program was the best it was since the 60s +--- 15360466 +>>15360463 +delightfully counterintuitive +--- 15360468 +>/sci/ catalog +>sort by repliy count +>all the other "top" threads like 200 replies and are like a week old +>this thread: 1,2K replies in half a day. +alright. +--- 15360469 +>>15360463 +newslut +--- 15360470 +>>15360463 +bump limit reached, otherwise /sfg/ would never reach page 10 and die. +--- 15360471 +>>15360448 +archive shows that this post >>15357968 got deleted at the same time as the early stager +--- 15360472 +>no proof viruses exist.: cell culture is retarded + +>Are you prepared for the golden age of Indian Mathematics? + +>I heard there is a pedophile jannie that is deleting content that talks about him and authorities were contacted. Is this true? + +>How developed would science today be if the Nazis won the war? + +some quality threads out there on /sci/. Now I know why I don't venture from sfg. +--- 15360474 +premature staging right before a huge, important launch is a very bad omen +--- 15360475 +>>15360470 +Thanks, appreciate it +--- 15360477 +let's be honest here, a KABOOOOOMMMM jusssssstt high enough in the air so that nothing is harmed on the ground is the most KINO outcome. Plus it will still get SpaceX some critical data on something to fix I'd imagine. +--- 15360478 +>>15357884 +Shameful really. +--- 15360479 +Felon Huskkk is Finnish +--- 15360481 +>6. Compliance Monitoring: An FAA Safety Inspector must be present at SpaceX’s Boca Chica Launch Complex for flight operations. + + +what safety are they exactly inspecting? can he stop the launch on his own? +--- 15360482 +>>15360474 +fucking tourists ruining the mojo +--- 15360485 +>>15360481 +He's inspecting the cookie jar for crumbles +--- 15360486 +elevator status? +--- 15360488 +>>15360486 +out of order, same as SLS +--- 15360490 +the krystal poster and /vt/umor should fight again +--- 15360491 +>>15360486 +We still lack the knowhow to construct a space elevator anon +--- 15360492 +damn we're already out of images on page 6 +alright who wants to go bump shit threads in the catalog with me so we reach page 10 faster? +--- 15360493 +>>15360486 +never began +--- 15360494 +>>15360492 +yes, already on it kek +--- 15360497 +>>15360474 +Getting all the scrubs out of the way early. +--- 15360498 +>>15360496 +>announcing a report +--- 15360499 +>>15360375 +>Most of the people I know have PhDs +You're living in an absurdly unusual social bubble. You have lost sight of what it means to have average intelligence. + +Go hang out in a gas station shop for a few hours. It should remind you of what "average intelligence" actually looks like. +--- 15360500 +>>15360486 +The best counterweight is no counterweight. +--- 15360502 +https://4stats.io/ +you can already see today as a peak compared to the past several month. +It's been a very long two weeks since the last huge happening. +--- 15360505 +ack the cyber-cyber police got me + +>>15360500 +delightfully sugarcoated +--- 15360507 +Jannies in my /sfg/? +More likely than you think. +--- 15360508 +>>15360481 +>what safety are they exactly inspecting? can he stop the launch on his own? +He has the important job of standing directly under the stack and making sure none of the engine nozzles are blocked by stray beetles or turtle eggs +--- 15360509 +>>15360472 +/sci/ catalog is hilariously bad +--- 15360510 +>>15360507 +They must be making bank off all my superchats. +--- 15360511 +Anons, I just want to let you know that you CAN lose the bodyfat and keep it off. For those whom it concerns, join us: + +>>>/fit/70642835 +--- 15360514 +>>15360509 +hey that reminds me, what's the chance of winning who wants to be a millionaire again? +--- 15360515 +>>15360507 +Everyone posts a yellow rat when talking about janitorial, but I think the truth of their appearance to be something much more terrifying... +--- 15360516 +>>15360511 +>ads +>for other gens +>on other boards +--- 15360518 +>>15360486 +What elevator? There is no elevator. +Meds now. +--- 15360520 +>>15360343 +Getting education is about how much you can endure the grind, not how much you are actually intelligent. +--- 15360524 +>>15360509 +but for real lets solve the hard problem of consciousness and qualia, here and now, in this very thread +>thread #542515 +--- 15360526 +>>15360516 +I just want to help my fellow spacefag fatties +t. down 120 lbs and counting. +--- 15360528 +>>15360511 +dog all of us squat and do mega cardio to maintain consciousness when under high gs +--- 15360530 +>>15360526 +I am underweight +--- 15360532 +what exactly will NSF ramble about for their 8 hour pre-stream? +--- 15360535 +>>15360532 +Thanks for the Superchat musical wolves +--- 15360536 +>>15360532 +We've got a 3hr "Best of NSF" compilation we'll be watching and discussing. +--- 15360538 +How hard would it be to refit SN15 for an orbital flight? +--- 15360541 +>>15360532 +heyyy, musical wolves coming in with another $50 superchat. thank you! your support means so, so much to us. +--- 15360543 +alert /sci/ at 132% nominal posting rate +--- 15360545 +>>15360528 +Pretty much this. +--- 15360546 +>>15360538 +impossible. why? +--- 15360547 +>Nearly called Terran R “Hard R” in front of a space thot +You did this to me +--- 15360550 +>>15360543 +you ain't seen nothing yet +--- 15360552 +>>15360547 +I called Russians “Ziggers” in my history class lol +--- 15360554 +https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1647767704177192961 +--- 15360555 +[math]\unicode{x1F680}[/math] +--- 15360556 +>>15360543 +Nature is healing. +--- 15360558 +>>15360552 +I almost said vatnigs but I played it off as fumbling the word vatnik kek +--- 15360559 +>>15360554 +T-12 hours it’s over +--- 15360560 +>>15360554 +>T-12 hours until the first flight test of a fully integrated Starship and Super Heavy rocket; targeting ~8:00 a.m. CT for liftoff +--- 15360561 +>>15360552 +based +--- 15360562 +>>15360547 +I called a police Lieutenant a glowie by accident kek +--- 15360564 +>>15360547 +The /sfg/ NLP is taking hold. +--- 15360565 +>>15360448 +I was just watching the image limit and noticed that it was at 250 instead of 251 +somebody must have deleted an image +if you check, it was this image: >>15357968 +--- 15360568 +L2 is fucking dead by the way +--- 15360570 +if it isn't Tim "Hard R" Ellis +--- 15360571 +>>15360554 +>0.0714 more weeks +--- 15360575 +>>15360520 +A 107 IQ is not getting a mathematics PhD no matter how hard they grind you nonce +--- 15360577 +Anyone have a guess on when the actual launch will happen? I'm working tonight and I don't want to fuck up my sleep anymore than I need to. diff --git a/sci/15357910.txt b/sci/15357910.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..cc845261e7b4a9b65c87cb750a0956a10e6f5177 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357910.txt @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +----- +--- 15357910 +I'm looking for the original paper (ie: before 1915) where Einstein derives the Geodesic equation + +[math]\frac{d^2x^i}{ds^2}=-\Gamma^i_{ma}\frac{dx^m}{ds}\frac{dx^a}{ds}[/math] + +do you know which one it was? +--- 15357966 +you have to look at all his articles before 1915, +fortunately people have compiled his work +that's 1916 but you can dig for yourself +https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol6-trans/179 +--- 15358019 +>>15357966 + +just found the geodesic equation appears in "the foundation of the general theory of relativity" from October 1914 + +https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol6-trans/57 + +Thanks anon. diff --git a/sci/15357921.txt b/sci/15357921.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..aadb464b8457690de5f7ce735fa0fdc4816281fc --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357921.txt @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +----- +--- 15357921 +Apparently identical twins reared in different environments will have very similar IQs. What implications does this have for race science? +--- 15357924 +>>15357921 (OP) +How different were the environments and how many tiwns were tested? +--- 15357977 +>>15357921 (OP) +It was definitely important to include Musk's opinion on this tweet +--- 15357993 +>>15357921 (OP) +low IQ sisters... we got too cocky +--- 15358002 +>>15357921 (OP) +Twins should be banned if they keep demonstrating unwelcome data. +--- 15358144 +>>15357921 (OP) +yeah no shit +an organic being is a product of its genes +--- 15358148 +>>15357921 (OP) +black children should all be taken away from their parents...? +--- 15358194 +>>15357921 (OP) +sorry, am I dumb or is the graph telling a completely different story from the text ? +--- 15358299 +>>15358194 +You are dumb +--- 15358314 +>>15358299 +Ah fair enough, could someone explain that graph to me then and why it seems there is a significant difference between "two testings of the same person" and "reared-apart mz twins" ? +--- 15358489 +>>15357921 (OP) +retarded beyond belief and conveniently leaves out swathes of pertinent data. + +Try to base your "science based arguments" on actual scientific papers rather than on twitter celebrities next time. +--- 15359457 +>>15357921 (OP) +>What implications does this have for race science? +None that wouldn't be pure coincidence of however you're choosing to define "race". Any grouping at all would be about as predictive in that by pure chance of necessity you'll have clustering of traits or averages, but they're not caused merely because you chose to define the group that way. Hence, none. +>Apparently identical twins reared in different environments will have very similar IQs. +The environments are not all that different, generally. You're not going to find in the western world many examples where twins get adopted out to families who proceed to live disparate lives as middle-class americans vs an isolated village in Nigeria or some bad parts of Mexico. In any event it doesn't really tell you much since health of the mother nearer conception and during development is where your most significant variations would occur for large samples. +>>15358314 +>Ah fair enough, could someone explain that graph to me then and why it seems there is a significant difference between "two testings of the same person" and "reared-apart mz twins" ? +I'm a bit confused by the question because the question isn't relevant at all. There's nothing wrong with the graph. There does appear to be a lot wrong with your understanding of the relevant science and its implications or lack thereof, but very rarely do people accept correction on that. +--- 15359472 +>>15358148 +No, the message is that it doesn't matter who their parents are, they still have the Mark of Cain on them and in their DNA. +--- 15359501 +>>15357924 +Exactly, no one is linking the study cited nor is anyone giving any details about the social economic differences the subjects were raised in question. + +Just on diet and reading education level alone you will have a significant IQ gap if one is raised in a environment attuned to $15k living vs one raised $90k living. That's even with regression to the mean in play. +--- 15359533 +>>15359501 +You don't want to over-interpret things like that. In any event however ones biology adapts to a given environment the end result is still "genetic", and in theory if done properly the heritability of such things would still be quite high. The problem is people confuse a lot of terms and jargon such that they either believe such estimates imply inheritance or inheritance patterns, like simple mendelian patterns, OR go the other way and don't recognize "is genetic" would nonetheless apply in any range of circumstances barring "macro-level" chance events without associations at population level. + +I can't assume you're making any mistakes from what you wrote but if you don't keep in mind where/why people misunderstand things, such as confusing "is genetic" with "trait is predicted like mendelian traits", no explanation will help. Since their base assumption is the actual problem. +--- 15359541 +>>15359457 +Lol, no doubt you're the same midwit who posted 40 times in the last thread to fellate ideological hacks like Lewontin. Do you swear oaths by placing your hand on books by Gould? +--- 15359548 +>>15357921 (OP) +This is just an evidence that telepathy between twins is real, not that genes and IQ are necessarily related +--- 15359557 +>>15357921 (OP) +Why do musk fanboys keep making threads? You couldn't even post the actual paper. +ban twitter theads they're nothing but low effort garbage dumps. +--- 15359575 +>>15359541 +>Lol, no doubt you're the same midwit who posted 40 times in the last thread to fellate ideological hacks like Lewontin. Do you swear oaths by placing your hand on books by Gould? +Yes, I am the only one who cited any literature in that thread. I'm also the same one who cited and quoted the original paper you idiots lie about when you incorrectly claim the statistical reality of human descent is somehow "a fallacy". + +What's the matter? Still can't figure out an argument? >>15359457 +>None that wouldn't be pure coincidence of however you're choosing to define "race". Any grouping at all would be about as predictive in that by pure chance of necessity you'll have clustering of traits or averages, but they're not caused merely because you chose to define the group that way. Hence, none. +--- 15359612 +>>15359575 +>Yes, +Yeah, I have a talent for spotting the incoherent drivel characteristic of midwits. It is so fascinating to watch you string words together that carry the facade of confident intellectualism while having no merit or value whatsoever. You are like ChatGPT trying to factor large prime numbers. + +Your understanding of Lewontin's fallacy would disappoint the average 8th grader, yet you just compensate through mindless repetition. Argument by exhaustion. Oh well, it's enjoyable from a distance. Maybe I'll engage when you finally answer that request for your own ethnic background. +--- 15359638 +>>15359612 +Yeah I thought not. +--- 15359653 +>>15357921 (OP) +>raised separately +When were they separated? Nutrition and exposure to pollutants in infancy impact IQ so if they weren't separated immediately at birth then it matters. In fact even in the womb it makes a difference so the implications aren't as much as brainlet /pol/cels like to think +--- 15359712 +>>15359612 +You know, you could also just be honest and admit you don't understand it, and ask questions. Juuuust sayin. +>>15359653 +Well usually if you're talking populations within a developed nation like the USA most of the variance would be in fetal development and the mother's behaviors and health post conception. The "separations" are not exactly throwing people in disparate analogous environments such that one would explain international variation, though it is often assumed that it does because... fucking reasons I guess? +--- 15359781 +>>15357921 (OP) +>Apparently identical twins reared in different environments will have very similar IQs. +Well duh. they are of the same genetics. + +Now if one child was over-vaccinated and the other one was not, then the less/no-vaccinated child would obviously be smarter by comparison. + +So it is genetics first, but envio-factors like toxins also exist. +--- 15359797 +>>15357977 +butthurt musk hater detected +--- 15359827 +>>15359797 +only people who hate musk are seething government frauds installed in office, or their bureaucratic handlers. The public loves Musk. +--- 15360114 +>>15359770 +>>Maybe I'll engage when you finally answer that request for your own ethnic background. +lol your engaing is contingent upon an anonymous person reporting their race... and you think that's some kind of own? diff --git a/sci/15357962.txt b/sci/15357962.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4bdccb0c48bd4f1cf5e7e26e78c13ddb1da0a545 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15357962.txt @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +----- +--- 15357962 +It is very frustrating and significantly degrades my quality of life. It's only mental, intrusive thoughts and excessive doubts about absolutely everything that never leave me alone. +--- 15357990 +>>15357962 (OP) +Go to liftmode, order nac. Take 1500mg first thing upon waking, while fasted, don't eat for 60 min after. Take another 1500mg 2 hours after lunch, don't eat for an hour. +I promise. Also basically cures schizophrenia while you're taking it. May experience some Vulcan level emotional blunting but it's worth it for the bad head man to be quiet. +Trust me. +--- 15358009 +>>15357962 (OP) +Zoloft works, but takes weeks too register, I'd recommend taking low doses of amphetamines (starting at 10mg) to get an instant effect. +--- 15358943 +>>15357990 +Recommended brands of NAC? +--- 15358949 +>>15357962 (OP) +you sure do seem to like talking about yourself on social media +--- 15359210 +>>15357962 (OP) +i had the best results with erp + ssri treatment +erp without ssri is kinda hard for me, fear just doesn't go away quickly, also this shit is always trying to slip back, starting with small rituals then regaining full control over your life + +but ssri are shit, antipsychotics are shit, i hate these meds and their side effects, so i chose to suffer without retard pills +--- 15359238 +>>15358949 +you sure do seem to like posting needless smug passive aggressive remarks that add nothing to the discussion +--- 15359381 +>>15357962 (OP) +Depends on the cause. I can't help you with a personal experience but I could help you consider alternatives if and only if the OCD is contingent upon yet other underlying causes. Other psychiatric disorders can result in presentations or misidentification of OCD as the root issue, when its root cause could be neurodevelopmental, for example. Only a professional could help you figure that out, and a rather competent one at that. + +e.g. autism -> anxiety -> compulsions, or ADHD -> anxiety -> compulsions, or other drugs, or brain damage (rare of course), or a Somatopsychic presentation. Somatopsychic is the most interesting and most rare studied, like anxiety disorders developing or worsening possibly in conjunction with things like allergies or similar. Granted it's also a little silly as of course life being shit could therefore be suggested a "somatopsychic" etiology so don't overinterpret or add more meaning to my words than they can carry. + +Anyway, just really generalized brief food for thought. Sometimes it helps to broaden ones horizons to further negotiate and explore solutions, and sometimes medical professionals are really bad at helping patients navigate or even know about the landscape of ideas. +--- 15359586 +>>15357962 (OP) +You can easily cure OCD with depression. When you're depressed you won't give a shit about things being orderly or maintaining routines +--- 15359615 +>>15357962 (OP) +Normally I don't fuck with these threads but you're getting bad advice. Most people are thinking of someone cleaning a room too many times, not someone who lightly touched a bottle of windex so now its poisoning all their food and their entire family (actual OCD). + +So here's the only thing that's going to help; OCD is the doubting disease. Its all about "but what if, but this time, but its possible that... " and then you're fucking cooked. So the only way to get better is to tell it to shut the fuck up, sometimes out loud. Its not right. Its not giving you correct information. Sometimes terrible shit will happen in life, but it has nothing to do with your obsessions. You're obsessions never ever play out the way OCD tells you they will. Its never been right, its never been helpful. You have to sort of create a new you from square one and tell OCD-you its a bad model. It doesn't work. Its fucking really hard and you have to work at it but eventually it starts to chip off, and that's what it feels like. OCD itself is a terrible thing, not you being correctly apprehensive of highly unlikely terrible things. + +You have a disability and like anyone else with a disability, you're going to have work with the world in a different way. + +good luck +--- 15359630 +>>15357990 +Why the fuck should they trust you you anon narc addict +--- 15359853 +>>15357962 (OP) +>How to deal with OCD? +LSD once a month for a few months will cure it. It rewires neural pathways and creates new ones, so you aren't overusing the same pathways that cause the OCD-Loop. +--- 15360058 +ocd is what makes me successful. +I'm the guy who shoots 95% free throws and spends hours on subtle market inefficiencies. +I don't want to 'cure' it. +Guess my advice would be to do something that you are passionate about and that is challenging enough, and work at it like a beast. +--- 15360087 +>>15360058 +I don’t think you understand what OCD is or how impaired people can be on the severe end of the disorder +--- 15360262 +>>15357962 (OP) +Could you name a concrete example of what you are experiencing? + +But a few common "remedies" would be nature, military service, discipline, embracing certain parts, again going outside, seeing family, not being a bitch... +--- 15360365 +>>15359615 +>OCD is the doubting disease. Its all about "but what if, but this time, but its possible that... " and then you're fucking cooked. +I completely identify with this. It's exhausting and frustrating, I get away from my loved ones and spend a lot of time having bad times. At the end of the day I end up very tired but the intrusive thoughts continue and I suffer from insomnia. +OCD is a constant torture that progressively increases. +--- 15360373 +>>15360262 +>military service +Only allowed if you are willing to cut off your junk and dress like a fag now. That won't help the OP. diff --git a/sci/15358035.txt b/sci/15358035.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4e2fbeda62f2010e09b46f721fdf34023dcd578f --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15358035.txt @@ -0,0 +1,51 @@ +----- +--- 15358035 +He's never done any research or experiments. All of his papers are just analysis of other people's experiments. +--- 15358110 +>>15358035 (OP) +>All of his papers are just analysis of other people's experiments. +I mean technically that's still a valid paper. 99% of all PhD's papers are derivative and won't amount to much. He's not the exception he's the rule. +--- 15358129 +I'm so fucking tired of /pol/tards thinking this nigger is an actual scientist, he's a fucking communicator who engages with laymen. They're too retarded to tell the difference and use him as a strawman against astrophysics +--- 15358154 +>>15358035 (OP) +And coincidently he now analyses papers and presents them to the public! Almost like he did in his PhD! +--- 15358173 +>>15358129 +I mean he kinda talks a lot of shit to be fair. +--- 15358741 +The Faint-End Slopes of Galaxy Luminosity Functions in the COSMOS Field +C. T. Liu et al., 2008, Astrophysical Journal Letters, v.672, p.198 +COSMOS: Hubble Space Telescope Observations +N. Scoville et al., 2007, Astrophysical Journal Supplement, v.172, p.38 +The Cosmic Evolution Survey (COSMOS): Overview +N. Scoville et al., 2007, Astrophysical Journal Supplement, v.172, p.1 +Optical light curves of the Type IA supernovae SN 1990N and 1991T +P. Lira et al., 1998, Astronomical Journal, v.115, p.234 +(See also Erratum: 1998, Astronomical Journal, v.116, p.1006) +BVRI Light Curves For 29 Type Ia Supernovae +M. Hamuy et al., 1996, Astronomical Journal, v.112, p.2408 +The Type Ia Supernova 1989B in NGC3627 (M66) +L. A. Wells et al., 1994, Astronomical Journal, v.108, p.2233 +The Expanding Photosphere Method Applied to SN1992am at cz = 14600 km/s +B. P. Schmidt et al., 1994, Astronomical Journal, v.107, p.1444 +On the Possibility of a Major Impact on Uranus in the Past Century +Neil D. Tyson et al, 1993, Astronomy & Astrophysics (Research Notes), v.275, p.630 +An Exposure Guide for Taking Twilight Flatfields with Large Format CCDs +Neil D. Tyson & Roy R. Gal, 1993, Astronomical Journal, v.105, p.1206 +Radial Velocity Distribution and Line Strengths of 33 Carbon Stars in the Galactic Bulge +Neil D. Tyson & R. Michael Rich, 1991, Astrophysical Journal, v.367, p.547 +On the possibility of Gas-Rich Dwarf Galaxies in the Lyman-alpha Forest +Neil D. Tyson, 1988, Astrophysical Journal (Letters), v.329, p.L57 +Bursting Dwarf Galaxies: Implications for Luminosity Function, Space Density, and Cosmological Mass Density +Neil D. Tyson & John M. Scalo, 1988, Astrophysical Journal, v.329, p.618 +uvby Photometry of Blue Stragglers in NGC 7789 +Bruce A. Twarog & Neil D. Tyson, 1985, Astronomical Journal, v.90, p.1247 +--- 15358744 +>>15358035 (OP) +>All of his papers are just analysis of other people's experiments. +Albert Einstein? Niels Bohr? +--- 15359019 +>>15358035 (OP) +>>15358744 +All of them puppets. This world is a psyop, particle physics is a meme. diff --git a/sci/15358048.txt b/sci/15358048.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..792a0e883987c25c42c3f8283d625453e4f3ca51 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15358048.txt @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +----- +--- 15358048 +the idea that humans biologically avoid inbreeding with their sibling is complete retarded idea that was pushed by funny hats man who though they were smart +just a simple data from Roman Egypt ultimately disproves and debunks it, and I mean its not really surprising considering that people overwhelmingly mates with people who are similar to each other and more similar to they are the relationship is more likely to be successful and healthy +so yeah its complete fabrication, just like idea of race is social construct +--- 15358067 +>>15358048 (OP) +damn +i thought my estranged daughter was going to get nekkid in a few years time when we meet again (for sex) +--- 15358157 +>>15358067 +parent/child is completely unnatural +why? +well I can talk about inefficient purging or just plain grooming +its just wrong okay +like how you breath or how you walk +its primitive as that diff --git a/sci/15358142.txt b/sci/15358142.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7a69425fd2ab2afd2cbab47c333296f92d6cc420 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15358142.txt @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +----- +--- 15358142 +how do insects evolve patterns like this? +is it like one was born with similar and it and its offsprings survived at a higher rate and passed it on due to predators not attacking so it slowly became common? +--- 15358180 +>>15358142 (OP) +looks like snek +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batesian_mimicry +--- 15358234 +>>15358142 (OP) + +Conditional high genetic variability ... insect has genomic mechanisms which allow for heavy and mostly random rearrangement to create many different patterns in its offspring. However, these rearrangement mechanisms are usually suppressed, inactive ... and only activate in a few individuals in each generation. This way new patterns can be adapted while the successful ones are still mostly "fixed" and stably passed on. You gotta think gene pool level here, not "individual" evolution so much ... + +>>15358180 + +>looks like snek + +Yessss ... :}~< +--- 15358613 +>>15358142 (OP) +Basically yes +The predators that attack them don't have sophisticated vision so they were mere likely to be tricked than us by the Inbetweeners +Eventually it's good enough that we can't spot it immediately +--- 15358807 +>>15358142 (OP) +They speak and fuck in chitin mixed with what they eat. +--- 15358816 +>>15358807 +Like a human uses the larynx to talk, the lepidoptera uses the wings. Anthropods apparently favoring chitin alterations to adapt situations. +--- 15358832 +>>15358807 +>>15358816 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepidoptera +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitin +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_coloration +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_(insect_anatomy) +Scales n shit diff --git a/sci/15358306.txt b/sci/15358306.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c4904089b349439e13248de5ec0f199b33315345 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15358306.txt @@ -0,0 +1,27 @@ +----- +--- 15358306 +i want to make dicyanoacetylene but is it suicide? i mean, i have to get up to 2,500°C with thermite aswell as use nitrogen gas + +>no you don't +>>Dicyanoacetylene can be prepared by passing nitrogen gas over a sample of graphite heated to temperatures between 2673 and 3000 K. + +so anon, what do you think? +--- 15358553 +>>15358306 (OP) +Why do you even want to make that shit ? There probably aren’t many uses for it besides Diels Alder reactions +--- 15358857 +>>15358553 +it burns at 9,010F (4990C) so it's interesting to me +--- 15358956 +With appropriate precautions and keeping your reaction size to less than a gram it shouldn't be too bad. Main problems seem to be low flash point (just over boiling, 130C) and that it decomposes to cyanide gas. If you're serious there are ways to handle these things +--- 15359198 +>>15358857 +Autism. +--- 15359821 +Here you go anon. +--- 15360519 +>>15358306 (OP) +>2500C graphite +>thermite +consider repurposing an arc welder instead +also don't die diff --git a/sci/15358332.txt b/sci/15358332.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..da445c743ee6443a0510f6ab8a6b6ff36046598b --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15358332.txt @@ -0,0 +1,41 @@ +----- +--- 15358332 +Is there a correlation between amount of times you fap and how fast you age? + +think aout it, if you're not sexually active thne your body will know and it will try harder to keep rejuvenating your cells +vs +guy who faps nonstop, and the body is like, "well, obviously this guy is an alpha male. no need to try hard here" +--- 15358472 +>>15358332 (OP) +>fap to cunny +>body grants you eternal youth +--- 15358507 +>>15358332 (OP) +Yes because similarly when you don’t work out your body then tries harder to keep rejuvenating your muscles, keeping you stronger than those who do work out +--- 15358572 +>>15358332 (OP) +the secret to eternal life is edging for hours every day without ever releasing, that's what rasputin and ghandi used to do +--- 15358598 +>>15358572 +I tried this for a couple of weeks. it felt super great but my dick was always semi erect and itchy. I ended up naked down below the whole day working with one hand and wasn't productive. had to coom after a few weeks because my supervisor was complaining. they were the greatest nuts ever but would not do it again. +--- 15358630 +>>15358572 +>>15358598 +>i like to discuss my masturbation habits with a bunch of dudes +>lets all jack off together +homosexuality + +>>15358472 +your local law enforcement has now been informed about your habits, enjoy +--- 15358642 +>>15358472 +pedos should be burnt alive along with their lgbtq friends +--- 15358648 +>>15358332 (OP) +I'm 40 and I masturbate every other day. Sometimes more than once. I was asked for my ID buying alcohol a few months ago, probably once a year I'm asked for my ID to prove I'm over 18, especially if I've just had a shave. I smoke a lot too, about 30+ cigs a day. I've smoked a lot since I was 14 with about three years in the middle where I stopped for a bit, I'd like to try and stop again kind of soon though. +--- 15358657 +>>15358642 +agreed, and anyone who utters those words regardless of context +--- 15358743 +>>15358507 +I knew it! diff --git a/sci/15358470.txt b/sci/15358470.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..78bdc24eafa225a6798095c233549f1150051706 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15358470.txt @@ -0,0 +1,22 @@ +----- +--- 15358470 +>Alien Invasions +>Asteroids +>Satanic Cabal +>Solar Flares +>UFOs +>Galactic Null Zones +>Space Debris +>Reptilians +>Colliding Planets +>Authoritarian Dictators +>Black Holes + +say something nice about these Space Glowniggers +--- 15358481 +>>15358470 (OP) +looks like Dr Dre +--- 15358501 +>>15358470 (OP) +>le Tyrone Hernandez face +Amerimutts are really nasty. diff --git a/sci/15358647.txt b/sci/15358647.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2515299e76d085698d770982416cda49909ea6da --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15358647.txt @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +----- +--- 15358647 +Why isn't there metric time? + +100 seconds in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour, 10 hours in a day. +--- 15358679 +>>15358647 (OP) +all of metric is retarded +--- 15358685 +>>15358647 (OP) +Because fuck you that's why, we would have to change so much shit about our calendar, week, etc to account for that, and it's meaningless since you count time using seconds *10^ the appropiate number anyway. Call them kiloseconds, that's how much I fucking care. +--- 15358701 +>>15358647 (OP) +Ein Berliner ohne Zuckerguss? Bist du geistig behindert? +--- 15358710 +>>15358701 +ich spreken kine german +--- 15358711 +>>15358647 (OP) +>6(0) seconds +>6(0) minutes +>6*4 hours +not perfect but good enough for the beastlovers. No need to change it therefore. +--- 15358720 +>>15358647 (OP) +french tried it and no one liked it +--- 15358728 +>>15358647 (OP) +At the very least, we should have 13 months of 28 days each (with the remainder on New Year's Day). +--- 15358775 +There is metric time, kiloseconds, Ms, microseconds... Hours and minutes are not SI. +--- 15358778 +Nice donut. +--- 15358814 +>>15358647 (OP) +Because for all its talk of being more 'fundamental' or 'tapped into the fundamentals of the universe', the metric system is no less arbitrary than the imperial system or ancient systems of measurement. + +It's all just humans desperately trying to fit mismatched shit into neat little base 10 or 12 or 2 holes. +--- 15358817 +>>15358647 (OP) +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_time +--- 15358862 +>>15358701 +Das ist ein Krampfen oder eine bulette du mongo +--- 15358887 +>>15358711 +>>6*4 hours +Finally, quarts has a place in society outside motor oil. +--- 15358890 +>>15358647 (OP) +surely you meant 100 hours in a day? +--- 15358894 +>>15358890 +Should be 1,000 seconds, 100 minutes, 10 hours, 1 day. + +Simple. +--- 15358898 +>>15358647 (OP) +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_calendar +Napoleon didn't like it. +--- 15358938 +>>15358898 +Well there you go. +--- 15358951 +There is no benefit to switching and arguably metric time is simply worse. + +What is good about 60 is that it is divisible by 2,3,4,5,6; 100 doesn't. +--- 15358961 +>>15358951 +I agree. We should be base 12 numerical system. +--- 15358990 +>>15358647 (OP) +metric is stupid. what kind of retard uses multiples of five? +>hurr durr i hav ten fingar +--- 15358995 +>>15358647 (OP) +But there is? The base unit is second and all prefixes apply. I don't know where you got that silly minute/hour/day thingy from but I suggest you ditch it. +--- 15358997 +>>15358990 +You are insane if you think imperial measurements are better + +10 fingers? Nah. Lets base it all off the width of a horses ass. +--- 15359007 +>>15358647 (OP) +1 meter pendulum = 1 second +--- 15359018 +>>15358647 (OP) +There is, but it's too french even for the french. +--- 15359030 +>>15358990 +so much this. +stuff like distances and stuff should be based on commonly used distances in real life. like when you are gardening, feet and inches are the best, not stuff like centimetres and metres which are too small, and too big for any sort of reasonable use. +--- 15359031 +>>15358647 (OP) +Shalom +--- 15359090 +>>15358647 (OP) +Multiples of 12 are easy to divide. 12 can be divided by 2, 3 4 or 6. It's more practical. Same with a lot of American units using powers of 2 (eg 8 ounces in a cup, 16 ounces in a pound or pint, 32 ounces in a quart with 4 quarts per gallon). +Base-10 is a stupid base that only got used because we have 10 fingers so cavemen could count on their fingers. + +Also we have 12 months because there are a little over 12 lunar months per year +--- 15359153 +>>15358997 +Twelve finger segments on each hand. +--- 15359159 +>>15359090 +Twelve indeed is the best. diff --git a/sci/15358666.txt b/sci/15358666.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4bf08126c43693e21fe0f4dc5103795ece924546 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15358666.txt @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +----- +--- 15358666 +What is the scientific reason I have an erection when I see feet like pic related? +--- 15358676 +>>15358666 (OP) +because your mom drank basedmilk in her coffee during your gestation. +--- 15358681 +>>15358666 (OP) +>666 +--- 15358735 +>>15358666 (OP) +I can smell this picture +--- 15358826 +>>15358666 (OP) +luck of the draw - you were unlucky enough to be looking at a foot when you happened to get your first neurochemical arousal trigger and it stuck in your subconscious. if you'd been looking up at your older sister's chest when it happened you'd have a tit fetish. if you'd been looking at your mom pregnant with your sibling you'd have a pregnancy fetish. if you were watching Disney's Robin Hood you'd be a furry. + +could have been worse, anon - we've got a whole board full of people who were unfortunate enough to be watching nature documentaries or TLC freakshow shit when they got their first boners >>>/d/ +--- 15359108 +>>15358826 +Complete nonsense. +--- 15359130 +>>15358666 (OP) +if you are touching a womans feet then you are probably going to fuck her so it became sexual stimulus by association +--- 15359287 +>>15359130 +What is the phycological reason why I find picrel arousing then? +--- 15359298 +>>15359108 +>"Complete nonsense," he typed, while jerking off to a picture of a girl being vored by a dragon in the other browser window moments before having an Anton Ego flashback to getting his first boner during the scene in Fern Gully where the goanna lizard eats Zak. +--- 15359334 +why do masturbators insist on spamming /sci/ with their masturbation material? 4chan has dozens of containment boards for masturbators, where they can all masturbate together like a bunch of homosexuals, so why do so many of the masturbators insist on spamming /sci/? +>b-b-but i'm a special snowflake, the rules don't apply to me +--- 15359338 +>>15358666 (OP) +I'm no sexologist or whatever but I don't think it's a coincidence that most sexual fetishes are associated with scents of one kind of another. You like pictures of feet because they give you olfactory stimulation even though you can't actually smell them. +--- 15359343 +>>15359338 +i.e., >>15358735 nailed it +--- 15359348 +>>15359334 +you forgot the wikipedia link this time +--- 15359351 +>>15359334 +You seem upset. You click on a thread for discussing the scientific reasons for a foot fixation and then get mad that it talks about feet. +--- 15359353 +>>15358666 (OP) +you are a virgin + +/thread +--- 15359355 +>>15359298 +H-how do you know what I'm fapping to!? +--- 15359530 +>>15359334 +You answered your own question +>host a small /sci/ence room in a massive public masturbation auditorium +>surprised when coomers and other undesirable freaks break in regularly +--- 15359595 +I like feet sometimes myself sometimes but I can't understand the appeal of soles in your face like the op pic +--- 15359610 +>>15358666 (OP) +Because you are a godless heathen with no self-control over your own lust. +--- 15359616 +>>15359595 +>soles in your face +she's presenting you with the lowest part of her body +presenting behavior is present in every species that practices sex +you might not like it but it's pretty easy to understand at least conceptually +--- 15359619 +Mom or caretaker wouldn't give a fuck picking you up so your only source for mom's love was crawling around her feet +--- 15359623 +There's absolutely nothing wrong in liking feet, it's a sign of high test actually. +--- 15359865 +>>15359623 +nice pic +--- 15359879 +>>15358666 (OP) +She looks mean. +I want her to insult me while I eat her out. +--- 15359922 +>>15358826 +>fetish +>>15359338 +Being attracted to the human body isn't a fetish chuddies. It's a completely normal reaction and in this specific case, some women already know that you'd like it before you even do. diff --git a/sci/15358800.txt b/sci/15358800.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b9dd22527e9b5d83c7de9f3246555b89b00a1f37 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15358800.txt @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +----- +--- 15358800 +been reading up on Fluoride. any recommendations? techniques filters etc? +--- 15358835 +>>15358800 (OP) +If you want to avoid it, get a reverse osmosis filter and avoidable fluoridated mouth products. For the extra mile, go with a whole house RO filter +--- 15359014 +Don't eat a tube of toothpastes a day +--- 15359022 +>>15359014 +Your body absorbs fluoride through the skin. +--- 15359028 +>>15359022 +Stop rubbing toothpaste on your skin +--- 15359037 +>>15359028 +stop washing your hands with fluoridated tap water +stop eating food cooked with fluoridated water. +stop having baths, oh wait +--- 15359041 +>>15358800 (OP) +>Master Rance, please stop being unreasonable + +Fluoride is naturally found in all potable water and is often enriched or diminished when the water is sent to the consumer market. Fluoride has been proven to reduce tooth decay. +--- 15359051 +>>15359041 +>Fluoride has been proven to reduce tooth decay. +possibly under dental conditions but there is zero evidence of any benefit from fluoridated water +meanwhile the average intelligence is reduced and fluoriosis rates are high in areas with fluoride in the water +the source of the fluoride used to adulterate the water supply is a by product of fertiliser manufacture diff --git a/sci/15358819.txt b/sci/15358819.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b2db96efe4b1d1531d5bed8a07df50c8972ecd39 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15358819.txt @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +----- +--- 15358819 +Is this entire board filled with bots? + +How much of 4chan is legitimately bot infested at this point? Is this the ultimate fate for the internet? +--- 15358827 +>>15358819 (OP) +>oh no, I just lost a discussion about racism +>those goddamn commie bots!!!! +--- 15358833 +>>15358827 +What I'm asking essentially: Is dead internet theory true? If not, is that where we're headed? +--- 15358839 +>>15358833 +>Is dead internet theory true? +Not yet. +>If not, is that where we're headed? +Hopefully. +--- 15358843 +They are not bots, just med students +--- 15358844 +not as many bots as you might think, but a lot of shills, glowies, and assholes + +/pol/ is the most blatant, of course, but you can see it on media-themed boards like /tv/, /co/, or /a/ a lot now. +>How do you do, fellow anons? Who's excited for the all-new Studio® Franchise™ trailer that just dropped!? How do these brilliant and handsome studio executives keep coming out with hit after hit!? +--- 15358897 +>>15358819 (OP) +at the end of the day, does it really matter if you're interacting with bots? +--- 15358904 +>>15358897 +It depends. Are you a bot? +--- 15358920 +>bots can't post here because captcha +>bots have to pay for 4chan pass +>more money for 4chan +>4chan can pay more jannies +>jannies delete bot posts +--- 15358927 +>>15358920 +Honestly what if the jannies are bots? Can any of them pass a turing test? +--- 15358930 +>>15358904 +what I mean is, most people have npc tier opinions and thoughts anyway, so having a conversation with them is not much different than talking to bots. and on the off chance you get some meaningful information out of such an interaction, did it really matter that it was a bot or an actual person? +--- 15358933 +>>15358819 (OP) +The real give away for bots is that they spam shitty sõyjaks +--- 15358939 +>>15358930 +You don't really mean that do you? +--- 15358953 +>>15358819 (OP) +Is filled with glowies, coomers, and morons brainwashed by socialist trash. +--- 15358958 +>>15358939 +actually I somewhat do, for example I had pretty good conversations with chatgpt about fitness, health, biology, nutrition, diet, digestion, etc than any anon on /fit/. who's to say you can't learn from and exchange ideas with a bot about history or video games or whatever you want? +--- 15359060 +>>15358953 +What do you mean? +--- 15359086 +>>15358819 (OP) +I think 4chan actually has fewer bots than most social media sites because of the captcha system. We're definitely overflowing with feds and shills though +--- 15359095 +>>15358920 +>jannies delete bot posts +they don't. +also bots can solve captcha +--- 15359104 +This thread >>15358398 → +is reposted automatically whenever the previous one 404s, started last November, jannie has never touched any of the threads. +https://warosu.org/sci/image/r0Y1iOD-fXfK5eFDueH4_Q +--- 15359110 +>>15358839 +Sounds like what a bot would say +--- 15359112 +>>15359104 +warosu is such a shit fucking archive +--- 15359121 +>>15359112 +all we got +--- 15359160 +>>15359095 +How? +--- 15359208 +>>15358819 (OP) +This poster >>15348364 → immediately stops posting if you say "thread closed." People have been doing it to stop the spam threads for a few weeks. +--- 15359230 +>>15359208 +What exactly are people doing with these bots? +Other than data mining or training them I guess +--- 15359240 +>>15359208 +seems like a real person to me, unless a bot would intentionally forget to post a link +https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/136590008/ +--- 15359257 +>>15358920 +>bots can't post here because captcha +some bots can solve captchas, and most spammers just pay for a 4chan pass to bypass it entirely +--- 15359281 +>>15359208 +sounds like someone should make a bot that replies "thread closed" to every new thread +--- 15359493 +judging by syntax difference between here and few other non-infected chans most posts are bot-made +--- 15359504 +>>15359060 +He means he's an ESL third worlder brainwashed by his shithole's state TV +--- 15359723 +It is full of something far worse - anti-materialists spamming their gish gallop. The war on science is still real. +--- 15359861 +>>15359281 +/sci/ would have to be shut down at that point. There are only bots on this board diff --git a/sci/15358908.txt b/sci/15358908.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d1cbfe2f927528d288d65f6809149b43e8d39d02 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15358908.txt @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +----- +--- 15358908 +I don't get why everyone is hyping up AI. It's as dumb a gorilla. It can't even write a compiler and just autogenerates a generic response. What a dumb retard faggot program +--- 15358915 +>>15358908 (OP) +I am 100% sure it was able to write code but it was removed because students were using it to cheat their assignments. +--- 15358923 +>>15358908 (OP) +Give it 10 years retard, it will rape you eventually. +--- 15358966 +>>15358923 +261 more multiples of two more weeks +--- 15358972 +>>15358966 +they said that about iPhones, computers and so much more only for defeatist cynic faggots like you get btfo'd +--- 15358998 +>>15358972 +All of those things still cannot write a compiler. +--- 15359035 +>>15358908 (OP) +Isn't this the dumber free version? +--- 15359046 +>>15358908 (OP) +>another anti-AI thread on sci + +Go back to your containment board, incel. +--- 15359049 +>>15359046 +/g/? +--- 15359072 +>>15358908 (OP) +>made by kikes +>fed globohomo data +into the trash it goes +--- 15359075 +>>15358998 +neither can you, for that matter +--- 15359077 +>>15358908 (OP) +>>15358998 +Neither can you, and neither can 99% of all humans on earth. AI isn't omniscient, but it is beating out a lot of human retards even faster than expected. +--- 15359079 +>>15359072 +>the new atlantis +>omg this is literally weimar 2.0! +>babylon has risen +why are /pol/cels unable to think about anything other than fairy tale shit? +--- 15359113 +>>15359079 +/pol/ is spammed to death by redditiers who are still upset about 2016 and its moderated by the same people who were exposed in "the twitter files" so its pretty much a lot cause. the whole board is pretty much just various flavors of mentally ill leftists trolling each other +--- 15359131 +>>15358908 (OP) +its going to go from being a stupid party trick to extremely out of hand in the blink of an eye, but thats still a few decades off +--- 15359137 +>>15359113 +>the whole board is pretty much just various flavors of mentally ill leftists trolling each other +--- 15359488 +>>15358908 (OP) +I don't get why everyone is hyping up compsci degrees. See my point! +--- 15359547 +>>15358908 (OP) +>using free version +now you know why +--- 15359564 +>>15358915 +It was pretty shifty at writing anything novel. It could write a Quick Sort function easily but ask it to write code to scrape a list of football stadiums and their geographic coordinates from a sports site and it would fuck up with very nice looking code that didn't work. diff --git a/sci/15358962.txt b/sci/15358962.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..811448072ccc01161b3c6a2ee59334ec82694c4d --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15358962.txt @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +----- +--- 15358962 +Why has the prevalence of individuals born with autism spectrum disorders increased over the years? +--- 15358967 +vaccine side effects and microwave irradiation +--- 15358971 +anime +--- 15359003 +>>15358962 (OP) +internet +--- 15359017 +They just improved the definitions and we have better diagnostic tools to identify it now chud, of course there's no evidence that autism has increased. +Your fascist far right antivax, and antiscience conspiracy theories are just wrong take your meds. +--- 15359172 +>>15358962 (OP) +having children too late in life + +ideal range is 14-25, shit gets fucked any earlier or later +--- 15359179 +>>15358962 (OP) +People having kids later in life, plastics and microplastics (conjecture but probably), diagnosis rates of Autism increasing and means of testing for and diagnosing Autism improving +--- 15360168 +>>15358962 (OP) +>autism spectrum +there's your answer. The "spectrum" is lumping normal human behaviors (asociality, introversion, obsessive interests) with dysfunctional retards. +--- 15360252 +>>15358962 (OP) +Mainly the criteria for diagnosis broadening +Back in the day people were just accepted at "peculiar" or "slow" or having a "learning disability" +--- 15360332 +>>15358967 +fpbp + +>>15359172 +that only goes for women. men can keep impregnating women until they die. only problem is the age gap psyop. +--- 15360349 +>>15360332 +>men can keep impregnating women until they die +they can sometimes but sperm quality declines increasing the genetic defect rate +--- 15360357 +>>15358962 (OP) +Because autism has developed as a concept to encompass more people. +--- 15360381 +>>15358962 (OP) +>Why has the prevalence of individuals born with autism spectrum disorders increased over the years? +Gee what could it be? +--- 15360383 +>>15360357 +no, severe cases have increased +--- 15360384 +>>15358962 (OP) +because the government gives welfare bux to the parents of kids who are identified as mentally ill. +--- 15360397 +>>15360383 +Because severe cases has developed as a concept to encompass more people. +--- 15360412 +>>15359172 +>having children too late in life +Has nothing to do with autism brain damage. + +People for tens of thousands of years had kids for as long as the woman could have them, usually until late 40s for women, since many kids were needed for farm labor or because of high infant mortality. + +Men can have healthy kids until they die, just that their sperm-count decreases with poor diet and age. + +People have stopped having kids later in life in recent decades, so the opposite of what you say might be the cause, too many young births and not enough mature births, besides environmental toxins like medications. + +See this picrel for most likely scientific explanation>>15360381 +--- 15360425 +>>15360412 +>People for tens of thousands of years had kids for as long as the woman could have them, usually until late 40s for women +My great-grandparents had their first kid when they were in their late 20s and their last kid when they were both in mid 40s.That was in the early 1900s. Same with my dad and some of his first cousins, which was much later in the 1960s. +The huge increase in Autism cases has to be something in our diets or evironment. The "you are too old for babies" is just more Jewish plots to depopulate white goys. +--- 15360432 +>>15360384 +This is actually part of it + +There are more resources available if you have an autism diagnosis so more people seek one +--- 15360434 +>>15360349 +>sperm quality declines i +Toxins do that, not a person's age. Older males just produce less sperm, making the odds of pregnancy a little more difficult, but has nothing to do with the quality of the sperm. Eating goyslop and being exposed to chemicals, wifi, 5G, medications, etc. are what affects sperm quality. +--- 15360435 +>>15360397 +anon... +--- 15360437 +>>15360432 +>There are more resources available if you have an autism diagnosis +Can I get these benefits as an adult if I get a doctor to diagnose me with it? Have a relative as a MD that could help me out there maybe. Or is it a shrink that diagnoses it? +--- 15360440 +>>15360437 +Oh I mean for children. Resources for adults with autism are very sparse in comparison +--- 15360441 +>>15360434 +>Older males just produce less sperm +no replication errors can build up +don't be dense this is basic +--- 15360503 +>>15360441 +Scientific observation necessarily includes data from all five senses. If you haven't tasted ejaculate from a large sample size of differently aged men, your opinion holds little value. +--- 15360549 +>>15360441 +>no replication errors can build up +Only if the idiot is on "NoFap" +Fresh sperm = healthy, so fap and coom a lot when wanting healthy kids. diff --git a/sci/15359011.txt b/sci/15359011.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a5fb0a5c6395bb2eb6ac3f8000d12697c1fb932c --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15359011.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 15359011 +p sure the big bang theory is a conspiracy and the lhc is something more than a particle accelerator. The nice thing is apparently the images from the james webb telescope are stressing the theory so much it may finally die after a century of confusing the hell out of ppl with obvious christian dogma diff --git a/sci/15359096.txt b/sci/15359096.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d7ba640214874f1c551ca5bac7296bcc62b76a64 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15359096.txt @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +----- +--- 15359096 +have a look at this: 3 animals from supposedly the same phylum, chordata, have tremendous differences in genes + +there is a member of wholly different phylum for comparison: he is a sea spider + +human and a bird are pretty similar but a tunicate is completely different and actually resembles the sea spider somewhat diff --git a/sci/15359124.txt b/sci/15359124.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4dadb68746f6c3210cb6859bdac05205869737f1 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15359124.txt @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +----- +--- 15359124 +what does your brain-grinding face look like? +--- 15359163 +>>15359124 (OP) +I like to stare out the window thoughtfully, and then do your mom +--- 15359187 +Ugly and stupid Jew +--- 15359214 +>>15359124 (OP) +--- 15359249 +>>15359124 (OP) +I do the same thing. My face scrunches up when I'm thinking hard +--- 15359256 +>>15359124 (OP) +Fuck off to /g/, or go beg admins to make /ai/ +--- 15359295 +1000 yard stare and when my brain is working it's usually a product of a slightly manic/euphoria. +My natural IQ is relatively high, but I've had a ton of trauma and substance abuse, multiple major surgeries and illnesses... I'm a slow learner. Maybe I make a frustrated face? I learn the major models that drive a given system. I compulsively obsess with them. With that comes opportunity to then creatively extend a craft in a useful way. +--- 15359647 +Unironically this +--- 15360014 +>>15359124 (OP) +What is up with Yudd's physique? It seems like it really might be a metabolic issue, given the fat doesn't go to his arms. diff --git a/sci/15359133.txt b/sci/15359133.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..db2bc8b434afac2453b804d80bb8a495b8143aaf --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15359133.txt @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +----- +--- 15359133 +https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/15/university-blocks-academic-gender-wars-research/ +--- 15359145 +>>15359133 (OP) +>pdf +Just post an archive link. +--- 15359228 +>>15359145 +phoneposting subhuman +--- 15359268 +>>15359145 +emotionally triggered +41% suicide rate diff --git a/sci/15359250.txt b/sci/15359250.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3913a15d384ee5bec72bdaed1220f5d1de751682 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15359250.txt @@ -0,0 +1,45 @@ +----- +--- 15359250 +Give me dumb ways you can leave yourself handicapped for life/severely injured, but not dead. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNR2EpS0jw [Embed] +--- 15359271 +attempted gender transition +--- 15359302 +>>15359250 (OP) +Total isolation until psychologically destroyed. + +Do it long enough and you'll be alone in a city, forever... + +t. +--- 15359432 +>>15359302 +Is that possible? can you psychologically destroy the human brain? +--- 15359480 +>>15359432 +Yes. Thats partially what a "spirit walk" is. You break away from all people and go through hardships, alone. Read stories of people living alone, sometimes they have profound experiences, mystical, religious ones. Some report their mind playing tricks on them. Isolation chambers making their own subconscious interacting with the conscious mind because there is so little stimulation. + +When around people you put on a mask for them. The "I'm fine." when not. When alone there is no purpose for a mask. Also, other people being around you centers who and what you think you are. If youre "smart" but alone...smart means nothing if dumb doesnt exist. Same for brave, knowledgeable...many things become meaningless without the contrasting opposite. + +People sometimes build entire personalities based off of others, remove the others and the mind realizes it doesnt even know itself, it freaks out because its been a reflection of society...now its "Holy shit what even am I?!?" + +>40 days in the desert. +Many Bible figures did this at some point. + +Some...some though...some never make it back even if they did...they never rebuild themselves, never make it out of the forest...40 years in the desert, that was such a csse. +--- 15359489 +>>15359480 +>40 days +>40 years in the desert + +Seperate cases. 40 years was a case of not getting back out, even if they returned to their people they were mentally gone. +--- 15359496 +>>15359432 # I refer you to the CIA'S MK Ultra Program +--- 15359508 +just deprive yourself of sleep for some days and you're done +--- 15359511 +>>15359496 +Mmm, yes. I am very familiar with that Developmental Psychological brainwashing process, been through it. + +(There are two versions, organic (happens naturally in one's life) and the inorganic one (government operation to try and produce it manually)). + +Inorganically always turns out fucked up, even if a bit successful (Think Jones Town). Its a part of making "savant prophets". diff --git a/sci/15359260.txt b/sci/15359260.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fc40e63ee641feb3acbea4e27dbaa991df4df476 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15359260.txt @@ -0,0 +1,46 @@ +----- +--- 15359260 +>The new low for the vaxxies, aka the cumBloods. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEE5OfiVS7o&t=648s [Embed] +--- 15359286 +>>15359260 (OP) +--- 15359369 +>>15359260 (OP) +I see now why coomer wojak looks the same as the nooticer +--- 15359376 +Purebloods where we at? +--- 15359483 +>>15359260 (OP) +did this guy turn into an antivax poltard? +--- 15359550 +>>15359483 +He hasn't been removed from YouTube for violating their covid misinformation rules, so draw your own conclusions from that. +--- 15359579 +>>15359483 +I don't understand why you think reporting on recent medical findings concerning the covid vaccine and its side effects is worthy of ridicule. +--- 15359602 +>>15359579 +Probably the same well poisoner who keeps claiming there are no non covid excess deaths despite all evidence presented. +--- 15359704 +CUMBLOODS +AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA +--- 15359836 +>>15359260 (OP) +--- 15359859 +>>15359602 +He appeared on YouTube early in the pandemic and provided meaningful and useful information about COVID. I have to thank him for making me aware of the importance of zinc and vitamin C. + +However, I suspect the clicks and views grabbed him and he became more sensationalist to bait extra views, likes and subscribes. Happens to many tubers and their content deteriorates as a result. +--- 15359903 +>>15359859 +the enlightened centrist is here to shit up another thread . yes, please go on about how you are the only one who knows all the answers +--- 15359928 +>>15359903 +Thanks for the fanfare you giant fucking faggot. Shame you're so out of tune. Go back to music school. +>I can shitpost too. +--- 15359933 +>>15359928 +You're argument is falling a bit flat +--- 15359935 +>>15359928 +calm your tits and tell us how youre the only one who got it roght, go on diff --git a/sci/15359399.txt b/sci/15359399.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3077af03b8a27e20ee4e7f6c8453d29da569e373 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15359399.txt @@ -0,0 +1,8 @@ +----- +--- 15359399 +>no proof of virus isolation +>no proof bacteria can go rogue on you + +start questioning every single thing with your maladaptive daydreaming. + +Pasteur a jewish, i will drink raw milk. diff --git a/sci/15359412.txt b/sci/15359412.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..aa014aea41d27c272be0ec3c78b6a533b8fc0d20 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15359412.txt @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +----- +--- 15359412 +>be me +>be academic scientist +>spend 6 months collecting data for a correlation between two variables +>analyze relationship and see a p value of .04 +>remove a few observations +>redefine some categories +>do a few more observation under different conditions +>p value is now .05 +>can now publish in a journal +>do this twice a year and make 150,000 dollars +--- 15359749 +>>15359412 (OP) +I don't think you know how p values values work. In fact, I'm not even sure you've finished high school. diff --git a/sci/15359433.txt b/sci/15359433.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..88d8c838d34f05d35fa1ba61360d9415dd605931 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15359433.txt @@ -0,0 +1,440 @@ +----- +--- 15359433 +What do you think about Musk's theory of virtue signaling? Have there been any scientific investigations which back up or refute the theory? +--- 15359447 +>>15359433 (OP) +It's fairly well-known and well-studied in behavioral science. +--- 15359482 +>>15359447 +I found this one recent relvant article, ironically published in nature. +https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562 - 023 - 01537 - 5 +kinda makes me wonder if people who "trust the science" trust this science +--- 15359513 +>>15359433 (OP) +Virtue signaling is also about simple cowardice. +--- 15359516 +Has Musk ever given his stance on whether possession of computer images ought to be considered a criminal offence? +--- 15359522 +>>15359516 +Yes made clear that twitter does not want to be used for child porn. Not sure if that means he thinks it should be illegal but that would be inline with his stated (though not always consistent) belief that anything legal should be allowed on twitter. +--- 15359554 +>>15359522 +Yeah he obviously just doesn't want illegal stuff on his website, but that doesn't necessarily mean he agrees that a photo of a naked kid on your computer should be able to get you arrested and on the sex offender's list. +--- 15359652 +>>15359433 (OP) +What the fuck does this have to do with pronouns +--- 15359698 +>>15359433 (OP) +any good recommended reading to get into the theory of virtue signaling // signaling theory in general? maybe a intro into Robin Hanson +--- 15359719 +>>15359433 (OP) +I look at his picture here, and I wonder if an AI could be trained to spot pedos with high confidence just on photos alone. +--- 15359721 +>>15359652 +>What the fuck does this have to do with pronouns +that cuck who suicided obviously had his pronouns in bio. Think with your brains, midwit +--- 15359726 +>>15359433 (OP) +--- 15359735 +>>15359433 (OP) +Leftists = evil. +A person doesn't have to be a genius like Musk to figure that one out. +--- 15359743 +>>15359721 +So fucking what? He probably wore pants too. What a desperate stretch +--- 15359750 +>>15359735 +You mean people who pretend to be leftists whilst actually fucking children like a conservative are evil. But that's because conservatives are evil. +--- 15359761 +>>15359735 +>a genius like Musk +Doesn't take a genius to figure out Musk ain't one +--- 15359762 +>>15359750 +You are brainwashed. If you really believed what you say, you'd not be online. You wouldn't even be alive. +You are either a shill, a bot, a zombie parrot, or just evil. Probably all four. +Death is too good for you. You will live and suffer. +--- 15359766 +>>15359761 +>>15359750 +>.Gov glowing +--- 15359788 +>>15359762 +Consider instead that maybe you're so utterly mistaken about what I and people like me believe that it borders on a clinically diagnosable delusional disorder. +--- 15359793 +>>15359788 +Don't care what you think or have faith in. You are meaningless. +--- 15359804 +>>15359793 +If it doesn't matter what I think or "have faith in" then you're just a misanthrope I guess? What if I thought the same things you did and had faith in the same things you did? +--- 15359829 +>>15359482 +It just shows you how bizarrely retarded clown +world is +>we cant let science be undermined +>ok but the data shows that you undermined trust in science by being a retarded fucking sperg +>REEEEEEEEEE + +Every western institution is fucking joke being run by mental rejects +--- 15359845 +>>15359788 +stfu pedo troon, you "believe" whatever is inserted into your head by reddit for your kike controllers. You dont have thoughts, you run your programs +--- 15359851 +They somehow found a way to make sexual degeneracy, mental illness, and child abuse a civil rights crusade. You really think they're *not* going to take advantage of that? +--- 15359863 +>>15359804 +NTA but the fact that you say >>15359750 marks you as a threat. You viewing child abuse as a political issue means you might excuse, justify, and/or ignore child abuse in the right political circumstances. If you want to tell us what twisted beliefs led you to getting that way so that I can better protect my family from people like you, go right ahead. +--- 15359864 +>>15359845 +ironic post lol +Everyone in this thread beside me ought to be involuntarily committed +--- 15359881 +>>15359863 +>You viewing child abuse as a political issue means you might excuse, justify, and/or ignore child abuse in the right political circumstances. +Right, I'm the one making it a political issue. Not all the Republican politicians and Christian youth group leaders who uniltaterally labelled a marginalised group "groomers" in order to push through legislation and were then caught fucking kids themselves. Not the person I was replying to who literally said "leftists = evil" in response to someone with pronouns in their twitter bio getting caught with cheese pizza. + +You people are deranged hypocrites and it is you your family needs protection from. +--- 15359914 +/lgbt/ openly admits that they're child molesters +--- 15359919 +>>15359914 +All of 4chan used to. You don't belong. +--- 15359921 +>>15359881 +please list the republican politicians and christian youth group leaders who called trannies groomers and pushed for legislation and got caught fucking kids +--- 15359934 +>>15359921 +Why bother, you've already proved that you're willing to excuse, justify, and/or ignore child abuse in the right political circumstances +--- 15359943 +>>15359934 +who is you? did you know multiple posters can reply to the same thread? +--- 15359951 +>>15359919 +There's a difference between posting pedobear and literally unironically supporting pedos. +--- 15359960 +>>15359881 +>I'm the one making it a political issue +Yes. To be more specific, you're the one liable to commit Type II errors of child abuse identification. Conservatives committing Type I errors isn't a threat to my family's safety. +--- 15359963 +>>15359951 +Like the difference between posting "Hitler was right" and literally unironically being a nazi, right? +--- 15359968 +>>15359963 +I am literally a National Socialist. +--- 15359974 +>>15359960 +You literally just made this shit up because you're politicising this issue, deranged hypocrite. I just pointed out the many, many Type II errors conservatives commit all the fucking time. But noo, gotta believe it's the evil leftists! Gotta excuse, justify, and/or ignore the rest! +--- 15359981 +>>15359951 +>>15359968 +Oh. Well. Would you look at that. Huh. +--- 15359992 +>>15359864 +ironic post, you should have your head split open so people who arent retarded can examine how fleshbots pass turing tests +--- 15360008 +>>15359981 +you are literally a tranny +--- 15360013 +>>15359992 +M8 you can't even come up with an original comeback, to call you a bot would be a disservice to the incredible strides made in the field of AI recently +>>15360008 +My, how original! +--- 15360018 +The interpretation as virtue signalling is wrong. It's a class marker. People proudly display their pronouns on Twitter because it signals allegiance to the dominant class' ideology. It's a signal of cultural capital. That's why these things are always a bit dumb or based on bullshit: they are popular *because* they are easy to attack. This way, lower-class people push back against it, and it makes it clear that they are not part of the elite. + +It not signalling virtue for virtue, it's signalling virtue as a legitimizing myth for the ruling class to stay in power. +--- 15360023 +>>15360013 +you are literally a pedo tranny. I am not memeing, you literally are +--- 15360027 +>>15360018 +Ah yes, putting pronouns in your bio, truly allowing the ruling class to stay in power. And here I thought it was the millions of dollars they pump into anti-gay super PACs to divide the working class. +--- 15360038 +>>15360023 +News to me. What, you think you can just manifest shit by posting it on 4chan? lol +Question then is why you want more pedo trannies in the world +--- 15360041 +>>15360027 +you live in a constant state of psychosis due to propaganda and HRT. You have no fucking grasp on reality whatsoever +--- 15360050 +>>15360041 +The irony keeps piling on +--- 15360056 +Why is /sci/ the most schizophrenic board? +--- 15360063 +>>15359919 +That was always just FBI trying to lure victims they could exploit via their criminal informant program. You're low IQ if you fell for that. Next time you see you FBi informant handler, ask him how Kirt is doing and see if he can find out when 420chan is going to be back online. +--- 15360071 +>>15359804 +>What if I thought the same things you did and had faith in the same things you did? +I don't give a shit. You are insignificant and meaningless, both on a personal level and in the grand scheme of things. + +Your problem is you think you matter or that your thoughts and ideas matter. They do not. You are still in the infantile stage of conciousness. +--- 15360081 +>>15360056 +Always has been, newfren, welcome to the board, but please keep the non-PC language to a minimum though. + +We prefer the term "Correct" and not "Schizophrenic". +--- 15360083 +>>15359881 +>it is you your family needs protection from. +Ahh the left-wing socialist Nazi in you is emerging. +--- 15360084 +>>15360063 +>That was always just FBI trying to lure victims they could exploit via their criminal informant program. +Sure brah, moot was an agent and set up the website as a honeypot all the way back in 2004, nothing here was every legit. +--- 15360088 +>>15359974 +I'm not a conservative and I don't think you know what a Type II error is. +--- 15360091 +>>15360071 +You seem to care a whole lot about what I think and believe, considering how much you fantasise about it. It seems to have affected you more than you are affecting me with your baseless psychobabble. +--- 15360093 +>>15359981 +They're just saying this to trigger you and other pearl clutchers, same as 15 years ago. That's what makes it fun. And what makes it even more fun is that telling you that still won't stop you from taking the bait. +--- 15360095 +>>15360083 +There's already an admitted literal nazi in the thread and I do believe he's on your side. +--- 15360100 +>>15360095 +You really need to go back m8. +--- 15360101 +>>15360091 +Yes yes, keep thinking you are the center of attention and everyone's thoughts. +kek +--- 15360103 +>>15360088 +I don't care what you call yourself and I don't think you know how to read. +--- 15360105 +>>15360095 +>admitted literal nazi +yeah, they are called Democrats, Labour, leftists, etc. +I don't pick sides. +--- 15360106 +>>15360101 +Would you stop projecting on me, it's honestly weirding me out a little at this point +--- 15360115 +>>15360093 +Yet it doesn't occur to you that conservatives screaming THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! are the biggest pearl clutchers of all? We were capable of seeing that 15 years ago but for some reason a part of the website became incredibly hypocritical about it. +--- 15360116 +>>15360106 +whut? NTA, you are letting the voices in your head confuse you. +--- 15360121 +>>15360105 +Is that why all the nazis voted Republican last election? +--- 15360127 +>>15360115 +U R a troon aren't you? self absorbed, mentally strange, cannot understand basic concepts, lacking empathy, bossy, bitchy, easily offended, etc No wonder suicide rates are almost 50% with your kind. +--- 15360130 +>>15360100 +Helpful guide: + +Not "Literal nazi": +>posting "ZOMB I LOVE HITLER SO MUCH" on the internet to annoy troons + +Actual "Literal nazi": +>openly using state and corporate power to silence and criminalize dissent to your political ideology + +>>15360115 +Not pearl clutching +>being anti-child castration + +Actual pearl clutching +>declaring misgendering to be literal genocide +--- 15360134 +>>15360027 +What is the most straightforward way to appear legitimate to the elite? Being anti-gay, or creating the illusion that you care about the weak and the oppressed? +Now go to an art museum, and see that all the woke postcolonial exhibitions, and how the small text thanks rich donators for their support. Look up big financial institutions' DEI pages. Look at Mastercard "making payment safe for trans and non-binary people". Look what ideology is enforced in Harvard. Harvard is not working class. +--- 15360140 +>>15360121 +Richard Spencer endorsed Biden. +--- 15360141 +>>15360127 +I told you. I wasnt memeing. It couldnt be any more obvious. These people are fucked in the head retards and degenerate. +--- 15360143 +>>15360121 +>all the nazis +you mean the FBI? kek +--- 15360146 +>>15360127 +>self absorbed, mentally strange, cannot understand basic concepts, lacking empathy, bossy, bitchy, easily offended, etc +Literally the average user on this site, and I am well below average in this regard. +--- 15360152 +>>15360146 +>I am well below average +true. +--- 15360158 +>>15360130 +>Actual "Literal nazi": +>openly using state and corporate power to silence and criminalize dissent to your political ideology +So the Republican party + +Helpful guide: +Not pearl clutching: +>being anti-discrimination + +Actual pearl clutching: +>Declaring the existence of trans people to be "child castration" + +wowee would you look at how the tables turn if you're actually honest and not doing mental gymnastics all over the place +--- 15360166 +>>15360140 +That's much more based than I'd expect from him. +--- 15360170 +Kek, so many retards in this thread. +What books do you think the ebil nazis were burning? +--- 15360172 +>>15360134 +>creating the illusion +Key words there +Of course, the weak and oppressed themselves are by definition not part of the elite. +--- 15360174 +>>15360158 +>declaring literally castrating children as castration is hate speech REEEEEEEE +you people are fuckibng deranaged and need to be in a padded cell. You are fucking nuts and dangerous. +--- 15360175 +>this thread +--- 15360189 +>>15360093 +>>15360141 +Who to believe? +--- 15360190 +>>15360172 +I worked at Harvard and you couldn't imagine how many they/them BIPOC bourgeois who consider themselves oppressed. +--- 15360192 +>>15360152 +Yes, it is indeed true that I am less self-absorbed, mentally strange, incapable of understanding basic concepts, lacking in empathy, bossy, bitchy, and easily offended than all of you. That is what I already said. +--- 15360195 +>>15360158 +>So the Republican party +>n...no u +They just threw a dude in jail for a decade for making anti-Hillary memes in 2016. + +>Declaring the existence of trans people to be "child castration" +No, child castration is the literal chemical and/or surgical mutilation of children and by extension the industry that normalizes it and pushes it on children. If it was a myth then there'd be no reason for tranny terrorists to mow down children in retaliation when it gets banned. +--- 15360203 +>>15360174 +But here's the thing, idiot: no one is "literally castrating children" so it is actually 100% certifiably you who is bonafide bonkers. +--- 15360207 +>>15360203 +Yah ... you are you fucking schizo troon +--- 15360217 +>>15360203 +>still clinging to the lie that all the puberty blockers and hormones and shit they give kids are reversible +lol +--- 15360221 +>>15360195 +>They just threw a dude in jail for a decade for making anti-Hillary memes in 2016. +omg no way +They're throwing women in prison for having miscarriages and also organising literal book burnings. But I'm sorry to hear about your meme. +>If it was a myth then there'd be no reason for tranny terrorists to mow down children in retaliation when it gets banned. +Terrible argument but I might be convinced to allow it if you admit that the cis white hetero-patriarchy is 100% real and the source of all societal ills. After all, if it were a myth, there'd be no reason for incel terrorists to mow down children in retaliation when it is chipped away at ever so slightly. +--- 15360232 +>>15360221 +Yah books teaching 10 year olds in grade schools to suck each other off you fucking pedo freak. They should be burning you with them +--- 15360246 +I told all of you fucking retard half wits 7 years ago the inmates had taken over the asylum. You have no idea what these fucking freaks are really doing and lying about. Their ultimate goal is to make pedophilia legal and put you in a camp if you try and stop them, these are fucking demonic creatures and you better wake the fuck up +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPtFynTaSg8 [Embed] +--- 15360251 +>>15360221 +>They're throwing women in prison for having miscarriages +if only +--- 15360258 +Always love some reasonable, good faith, evidence-based discussion with the rational-minded people of 4chan dot org forward slash sci + +Somehow the person who stands out as the most delusional is >>15360093 but either way, I'm done taking the bait for the sole reason that I have work in the morning. The asylum is yours, to borrow a phrase. I'm sure he won't mind, given how fond he is of borrowing mine. +--- 15360270 +>>15360258 +k bye <3 +--- 15360276 +>>15360270 +>Fox News +lol +--- 15360286 +>>15360221 +>They're throwing women in prison for having miscarriages +Are there any statistics about how often this actually happened? +--- 15360289 +>>15360192 +You are soooo virtuous! Please tell us more about how great and humble you are? +Please enlighten us as to how intelligent you are on humble Jesus one! +--- 15360293 +>>15360276 +>noooo you can't just quote what people sayyyyy +--- 15360294 +>>15360270 +How about this one anon. +--- 15360296 +>>15360289 +Proving my point here +--- 15360302 +>>15360296 +Your "point" is poking out of your dress Sir. +--- 15360307 +>>15360293 +No, you apparently can't, because the only source for that claim appears to be a fabricated story circulating in the usual right-wing rags. If only you would just actually quote what people say. +--- 15360313 +>>15360302 +And into your mum's +--- 15360316 +>>15360307 +Since estrogen pills make it hard to google a headline apparently... + +https://www.foxnews.com/media/boston-childrens-hospital-director-calls-drastic-increase-capacity-gender-surgeries-minors +--- 15360319 +>>15360294 +>Children are people? Say it ain't so! My precious accessories! What will the neighbours think! +--- 15360323 +>>15360307 +>why aren't left-wing media outlets reporting on something destructive to their optics?? +big think +--- 15360329 +>>15360316 +Nothing in this article that is a direct quote talks about children. Hence +>Fox News +lol + +>>15360323 +They are reporting on it to say that Fox News demonstrably lied, actually +--- 15360333 +>>15360307 +You are one of those people who has been brainwashed into thinking there is a left and right wing? LMAO! +Sure, two wing, of the same bloodsucking mosquito called GOVERNMENT. +--- 15360334 +>>15360294 +your children literally are your property. I told you these people are actually fucking insane. Like you need to realize this at your core level. You cannot reason with people who are mentally ill. There is a reason the Nazis rounded them up. They will burn your country to the ground because they are fucking insane and delusional. "Oppressing" these people is literally the best decision you could possibly make +--- 15360338 +>>15360319 +look rofl. I told you. Yah they are your property right you fucking schizo? +--- 15360347 +>>15360334 +>I told you these people are actually fucking insane. +For sure. Only one way to deal with them. + +>>15360334 +>There is a reason the Nazis rounded them up. +Naziism is just another version of socialism. Nazi's were the most effective and sane socialists to exist, but that isn't saying much. They were still too far left-wing. +--- 15360352 +>>15360329 +Didn't you pretend to ragequit the thread like a half hour ago lol? + +>Nothing in this article that is a direct quote talks about children. +>Boston Children's Hospital +luhmao +https://web.archive.org/web/20220812191705/https:/www.childrenshospital.org/programs/center-gender-surgery-program/eligibility-surgery +>Patients who want to pursue chest surgery must be at least 15 years old +>To qualify for gender affirmation at Boston Children's Hospital, you must be at least 18 years old for phalloplasty or metoidioplasty and at least 17 years old for vaginoplasty. + +In any case castration doesn't need to mean surgery. They don't give puberty blockers to 18 year olds. + +>They are reporting on it to say that Fox News demonstrably lied, actually +You mean it got traction despite their efforts to bury it so they published a bullshit deboonk to signal to their audience that reading it would trigger unpleasant cognitive dissonance so they should ignore it. +--- 15360358 +>>15360313 +So you have a Odepous Complex also? + +Is that why little boy troons want to "transition" and think they are women, they want to be Mommy's little precious girl? KEK! +--- 15360446 +>>15360203 +>no one is "literally castrating children" +The same chemicals which were once used to chemically castrate violent sex offenders are now called "puberty blockers" and given to children. diff --git a/sci/15359627.txt b/sci/15359627.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a1d958e0661826ae54195b25b432b7e7732788bd --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15359627.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 15359627 +Is there any hope in developing a 'physics' of intelligent machines? We have direct access at max resolution to the internals of these systems but is it too complex to be reduced to something like a Hamiltonian? diff --git a/sci/15359702.txt b/sci/15359702.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c00ba094a432fb54c83504b064fb7fdf5d4d82a8 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15359702.txt @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +----- +--- 15359702 +How dangerous is the new Covid-19 variant? +--- 15359705 +>>15359702 (OP) +there is no covid faggot +--- 15359711 +i don't give a fuck, go away +--- 15359841 +>>15359702 (OP) +>>15359702 (OP) +XBB116 +kek +Just call it "Indian Covid". +--- 15359936 +seriously aliens be throwing beef between them like this +--- 15360111 +>>15359841 +That would be racist diff --git a/sci/15359972.txt b/sci/15359972.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..504363a638a0cb7d94aeb8d99d1bcad110a5c4e8 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15359972.txt @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +----- +--- 15359972 +medic bros, is there a high death risk in aortic valve replacement? or is it something that nowadays is common stuff and has low risk? +also what's the difference in getting a mechanical valve and a biological one besides the necessity to take anti-coagulants for a mechanical one? what could be the better option? +--- 15360098 +Medical error is the 3rd leading cause of death, every encounter with a doctor is a bad risk. Most people die in hospitals, just don't go there and you're guaranteed to be better off. If a doctor is telling you that you need an aortic valve replacement, they are probably lying. Its an expensive procedure covered by insurance, the doctor makes a pile of money on it, that incentive enough for them to lie. Doctors are very greedy people. diff --git a/sci/15360010.txt b/sci/15360010.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..278d18b6fc3093654a5ca8e1d0c53e833213e386 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15360010.txt @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +----- +--- 15360010 +If I jumped off a 100 story building and there was a long series of large heavy desks falling with a short uniform distance apart between them could I grab onto one and jump therefore cancelling out some of the force and then do that again and again to survive the fall +--- 15360049 +yes ofc assuming you didnt fuck up and miss the next desk down +--- 15360504 +>>15360010 (OP) +Unless I do not understand the setup, you're accelerating downwards due to gravity, which is going result in a very large "splat" unless you can find a way to dampen the impulse force as you hit the ground. +--- 15360572 +>>15360010 (OP) +yep, theoretically anon. its a cool thought! cheers! diff --git a/sci/15360065.txt b/sci/15360065.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f28dd6d68e17c752c189acb0e9b50c25d9e9459e --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15360065.txt @@ -0,0 +1,32 @@ +----- +--- 15360065 +There are only 2 genders. +--- 15360094 +>>15360065 (OP) +False. There is only one gender and one sex. Two species. + +Hybridization be a mf fr... +--- 15360097 +>>15360065 (OP) +yeah no shit I Ching figured this out 3000 bajillion years ago and only the most troglodyte subspecies of amerimutts decided one day that they were smarter than 5 billion years of biology engineering against them +--- 15360108 +>>15360097 +>most troglodyte subspecies of amerimutts decided one day that they were smarter than 5 billion years of biology engineering against them +Yes. Me. I am. +--- 15360387 +No. There are 0 genders and 3 sexes. +--- 15360462 +>>15360387 +Is the third sex "I have no"? +--- 15360476 +>>15360462 +Intersex people. +--- 15360523 +in biology their are many genders. but shouldn't the discussion be about body dimorph disorders? +--- 15360542 +>>15360523 +>their are many genders +Are all these genders in the room with you right now? +--- 15360566 +>>15360542 +what's about a bamboo who can recreate by cloning? diff --git a/sci/15360280.txt b/sci/15360280.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9d60ddca77134db223b9e43dcf958792d4db9fe9 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15360280.txt @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +----- +--- 15360280 +>loneliness causes brain damage +>high IQ people are more lonely +Huh, What? +--- 15360361 +people who self identify as high IQ are more lonely because of their repulsive, know-it-all personalities. +people who are legitimately intelligent are able to construct the lifestyle of their choosing by using their superior intelligence to o so. +intelligence in intangible, so its easy to lie about. you can't just self identify as being 6' 3" & muscular, but anyone can say "i'm high iq". thats why delusions of superior intelligence are such a common coping mechanism +--- 15360379 +>>15360280 (OP) +Loneliness is brain damage. Your brain is already damaged if you're lonely. +--- 15360467 +>>15360361 +This. Narcissists both self-report high intelligence and are horrible to be around. +--- 15360489 +>>15360280 (OP) +Loneliness and "being alone" or isolated are not the same things. This was explained the last time you, or I assume it's you, posted the exact same thread with the exact same image. diff --git a/sci/15360386.txt b/sci/15360386.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..148e2d7ccbe79d07d3bf6dcd537d30e7292eb0f7 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15360386.txt @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +----- +--- 15360386 +What is the most mathematically approach to betting in roulette, considering strategies beyond simply not placing bets? +--- 15360403 +world record for longest streaks is something like 12 in a row. take your life savings (i'm talking tens of thousands, if not millions). patiently wait for an 8 in a row. begin a martingale betting strategy with 10% of your life savings against the streak continuing. if you fail, bet another 20%. if you fail again, bet another 40%. you'll boost your life savings by over 5% within just a few minutes. be sure that the max bet is within your 40% limit. you won't lose three times in a row, else it'll be a world record and that won't happen since such record has been around for decades. +>but muh hecking probability +yeah, well, fuck your theory. data trumps theory. +--- 15360417 +>>15360403 +lmao +--- 15360420 +Being the house +--- 15360473 +what was the name of the mathematician who invented probability theory trying to beat the house at gambling and still ended up broke? + +>>15360386 (OP) +some form of cheating using magnets or bringing a gun and robbing the cash box. maybe set fire to the place and try to use the chaos as cover for the robbery diff --git a/sci/15360517.txt b/sci/15360517.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..55a13d7147bbe141322367ccbc82a7460f0ce0c5 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15360517.txt @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +----- +--- 15360517 +The world’s largest rocket is launching in 11 hours and /sci/ doesn’t care +--- 15360522 +:3 +--- 15360525 +>>15360517 (OP) +See /sfg/ for WE ARE GOING thread +--- 15360539 +10 hours +--- 15360548 +>>15360525 +I can't even find it in the catalog, I have it open in a sidetab. Only way to trace it down is ctrl+f +Anyways, 1400 replies now, page 8? I think. People definitely care diff --git a/sci/15360540.txt b/sci/15360540.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..32805fdc84ea5936e17f63f887243bd0f55a9906 --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/15360540.txt @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +----- +--- 15360540 +Greetings lads, yesterday I was walking down the beach with my family, I randomly looked up, and I saw a weird light. It was 4 lights to be exact, each of them having approximately the same size and color (green). They were lines very high up in the sky so I doubt it could've been lights reflecting off of clouds. I also doubt it could've been my eyes messing with me since I looked away for a moment and didn't see the lights in my FOV. So now here's the question, what exactly could they be? For reference, they kind of resembled northern lights (pic rel) but the problem was that I saw these in FL and they were much smaller in comparison. +--- 15360563 +>>15360540 (OP) +Lights from the Bermuda Triangle reflecting off swamp gas that trapped a weather balloon in a thermal pocket. +You are racism and homophobia if you talk about it. diff --git a/sci/5942502.txt b/sci/5942502.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..edd736d5ce78eb00adc51da8fb6c1e2a2b62cdac --- /dev/null +++ b/sci/5942502.txt @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +----- +--- 5942502 +https://sites.google.com/site/scienceandmathguide/ +--- 7734126 +Reminder: /sci/ is for discussing topics pertaining to science and mathematics, not for helping you with your homework or helping you figure out your career path. + +If you want advice regarding college/university or your career path, go to /adv/ - Advice. + +If you want help with your homework, go to /wsr/ - Worksafe Requests.