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This\n+involves writing a proposal, having it reviewed by the matrix community, having\n+the proposal being accepted, then actually having your ideas implemented as\n+committed changes to the `specification repository\n+<https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc>`_.\n+\n+The process for submitting a Matrix Spec Change (MSC) Proposal in detail is as\n+follows:\n+\n+- Create a first-draft of your proposal using `github-flavored markdown\n+  <https://help.github.com/articles/basic-writing-and-formatting-syntax/>`_\n+\n+  - In the document, clearly state the problem being solved, and the possible\n+    solutions being proposed for solving it and their respective trade-offs.\n   - Proposal documents are intended to be as lightweight and flexible as the \n     author desires; there is no formal template; the intention is to iterate\n     as quickly as possible to get to a good design.\n-  - A `template with suggested headers\n+  - However, a `template with suggested headers\n     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CoLCPTcRFvD4PqjvbUl3ZIWgGLpmRNbqxsT2Tu7lCzI/>`_\n-    is available.\n+    is available to get you started if necessary.\n+  - Take care in creating your proposal. Specify your intended changes, and\n+    give reasoning to back them up. Changes without justification will likely\n+    be poorly received by the community.\n+\n+- Fork and make a PR to the `matrix-doc\n+  <https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc>`_ repository.\n+\n+  - Your PR description must include a link to the rendered markdown document\n+    and a summary of the proposal. \n+  - It is often very helpful to link any related MSCs or `matrix-doc issues\n+    <https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues>`_ to give context\n+    for your proposal.\n \n-- Make a new issue at https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues, whose\n-  description should list the metadata as per below. Use the github search\n-  function to attempt to locate any related github issues, and link any that\n-  are found in the body of the new issue.\n-- Gather feedback as widely as possible from the community and core team on\n-  the proposal.\n+- Gather feedback as widely as possible from the community and core team.\n \n-  - The aim is to get maximum consensus on the trade-offs chosen to get an\n-    optimal solution.\n+  - The aim is to get maximum consensus towards an optimal solution. Sometimes\n+    trade-offs are required to meet this goal. Decisions should be made to the\n+    benefit of all major use cases.\n   - A good place to ask for feedback on a specific proposal is\n     `#matrix-spec:matrix.org <https://matrix.to/#/#matrix-spec:matrix.org>`_.\n-    However, authors/shepherds are welcome to use an alternative room if they\n-    prefer - please advertise it in #matrix-spec:matrix.org though and link\n-    to it on the github issue.  N.B. that #matrix-dev:matrix.org is for\n-    developers using existing Matrix APIs, #matrix:matrix.org is for users\n-    trying to run matrix apps (clients & servers);\n-    #matrix-architecture:matrix.org is for cross-cutting discussion of\n-    Matrix's architectural design.\n+    However, it is welcome to use an alternative room if preferred please\n+    advertise it in #matrix-spec:matrix.org and link to it on the PR for\n+    visibility.\n+  - For additional discussion areas, know that that #matrix-dev:matrix.org is\n+    for developers using existing Matrix APIs, #matrix:matrix.org is for users\n+    trying to run matrix apps (clients & servers) and\n+    #matrix-architecture:matrix.org is for cross-cutting discussion of Matrix's\n+    architectural design.\n   - The point of the spec proposal process is to be collaborative rather than\n     competitive, and to try to solve the problem in question with the optimal\n-    set of trade-offs.  Ideally the author would neutrally gather the various\n+    set of trade-offs. The author should neutrally gather the various\n     viewpoints and get consensus, but this can sometimes be time-consuming (or\n     the author may be biased), in which case an impartial 'shepherd' can be\n-    assigned to help guide the proposal through this process.  A shepherd is\n+    assigned to help guide the proposal through this process. A shepherd is\n     typically a neutral party from the core team or an experienced member of\n-    the community.\n+    the community. Having a shepherd is not a requirement for proposal\n+    acceptance.\n   \n-- Once the proposal has sufficient consensus and passed review, you **must**\n-  show an implementation to prove that it works well in practice, before a\n-  spec PR will be accepted.  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I've changed the wording of the paragraph now to be less wordy. 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The new process is based heavily on [Rust RFCs](https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs). This PR tries to offer a complete breakdown of the process, but please do voice your concerns if something is still confusing as no doubt others will run into the same issue if not brought up now.\r\n\r\nThe process of MSCs will be aided with the use of @mscbot, our fork of Rust's @rfcbot. We hope to upstream any changes made to the rfcbot project as they are made. For core team members, documentation on using the bot is [here](https://demo.riot.im/etherpad/p/mscbot-info). 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