{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/w3c/dxwg/issues/253","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/w3c/dxwg","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/w3c/dxwg/issues/253/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/w3c/dxwg/issues/253/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/w3c/dxwg/issues/253/events","html_url":"https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/253","id":331060843,"node_id":"MDU6SXNzdWUzMzEwNjA4NDM=","number":253,"title":"Best practice for a loosely-structured catalog","user":{"login":"jakubklimek","id":718827,"node_id":"MDQ6VXNlcjcxODgyNw==","avatar_url":"https://avatars0.githubusercontent.com/u/718827?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/jakubklimek","html_url":"https://github.com/jakubklimek","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jakubklimek/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jakubklimek/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jakubklimek/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jakubklimek/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jakubklimek/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jakubklimek/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jakubklimek/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jakubklimek/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jakubklimek/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[{"id":653073389,"node_id":"MDU6TGFiZWw2NTMwNzMzODk=","url":"https://api.github.com/repos/w3c/dxwg/labels/dcat","name":"dcat","color":"fbca04","default":false}],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"assignees":[],"milestone":null,"comments":5,"created_at":"2018-06-11T06:33:37Z","updated_at":"2018-07-08T09:55:17Z","closed_at":null,"author_association":"CONTRIBUTOR","body":"@dr-shorthair raised this in the mailing list:\r\n> I’ve been doing some investigations of some local repositories and catalogues, and have uncovered that in many cases ‘datasets’ are ‘just a bag of files’. There is no distinction made between part/whole, distribution (representation), and other kinds of relationship (e.g. documentation, schema, supporting documents). So while the precision we are aiming for in DCAT is clearly valuable in terms of semantics, it is difficult to implement on these legacy systems. Mostly I see people using the Dataset-distribution-> relationship for everything … which is clearly incorrect in many cases. But I doubt if we are unusual in this.\r\n>\r\n> I’m thinking about how to advise on this, while not actually breaking DCAT.\r\nIf we made dcat:distribution a sub-property of dct:relation\r\ndcat:distribution rdfs:subPropertyOf dct:relation .\r\n> \r\n> then I think we can have a reasonable recommendation to the simple repositories.\r\n> We could tell repositories that use the ‘just a bag of files’ approach to say\r\n\r\n```turtle\r\n :Dataset987 a dcat:Dataset ;\r\n     dct:relation <file1> , <file2> , <file3> , <file4> , <file5> , <file6> , <file7> … .\r\n```\r\n> which would not be inconsistent with a later reclassification to\r\n```turtle\r\n  :Dataset987 a dcat:Dataset ;\r\n              dct:hasPart <file1> , <file2> ;\r\n              dcat:distribution <file3> , <file4> ;\r\n              dct:conformsTo <file5> ;\r\n              dct:requires <file6> ;\r\n              dct:references <file7> .  \r\n```\r\n> If this is not all mad, I will add a new use-case - something like ‘Mapping from simple repository model’ – as justification, and propose this tiny enhancement.\r\n\r\nI had a few concerns regarding this proposal:\r\n\r\n1. It is not clear to me from the description what exactly the file* IRIs are. If they were actual downloadable files, i.e. something originally linked using `dcat:downloadURL`, I would disagree with the possibility to allow linking them directly from a `dcat:Dataset` record, as this would create mess everywhere where a publisher would be a bit lazy to describe the data properly.\r\n2. Would it be possible to get a few more detailed examples of how this would work?\r\n3. In my experience, data publishers use the `dcat:distribution` in a wrong way mainly due to the lack of support for dataset series, which is being resolved in this DCAT revision. When this support is added, publishers will have the possibility of modeling many use cases correctly."},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/w3c/dxwg/issues/comments/403276218","html_url":"https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/253#issuecomment-403276218","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/w3c/dxwg/issues/253","id":403276218,"node_id":"MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQwMzI3NjIxOA==","user":{"login":"dr-shorthair","id":608303,"node_id":"MDQ6VXNlcjYwODMwMw==","avatar_url":"https://avatars0.githubusercontent.com/u/608303?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/dr-shorthair","html_url":"https://github.com/dr-shorthair","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dr-shorthair/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dr-shorthair/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dr-shorthair/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dr-shorthair/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dr-shorthair/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dr-shorthair/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dr-shorthair/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dr-shorthair/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/dr-shorthair/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2018-07-08T09:55:17Z","updated_at":"2018-07-08T09:55:17Z","author_association":"CONTRIBUTOR","body":"... and this example is where the set of files are actually representations of _parts of_ the dataset:\r\n\r\n1. First, just using dct:relation\r\n```\r\ndap:atnf-P366-2003SEPT\r\n  rdf:type dcat:Dataset ;\r\n  dcterms:accessRights [\r\n      rdf:type dcterms:RightsStatement ;\r\n      rdfs:comment \"The metadata and files (if any) are available to the public.\" ;\r\n    ] ;\r\n  dcterms:bibliographicCitation \"Burgay, M; McLaughlin, M; Kramer, M; Lyne, A; Joshi, B; Pearce, G; D'Amico, N; Possenti, A; Manchester, R; Camilo, F (2017): Parkes observations for project P366 semester 2003SEPT. v1. CSIRO. Data Collection. https://doi.org/10.4225/08/598dc08d07bb7\" ;\r\n  dcterms:description \"Parkes multibeam high-latitude pulsar survey\" ;\r\n  dcterms:identifier \"<https://doi.org/10.4225/08/598dc08d07bb7>\" ;\r\n  dcterms:identifier \"<ivo://au.csiro.atnf/P366-2003SEPT>\" ;\r\n  dcterms:license <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/> ;\r\n  dcterms:modified \"2017-07-30T08:55:55Z\"^^xsd:dateTime ;\r\n  dcterms:relation [\r\n      dcterms:identifier \"PH0090_0011.sf\" ;\r\n    ] ;\r\n  dcterms:relation [\r\n      dcterms:identifier \"PH0090_0021.sf\" ;\r\n    ] ;\r\n  dcterms:relation [\r\n      dcterms:identifier \"PH0090_0031.sf\" ;\r\n    ] ;\r\n  dcterms:rights [\r\n      rdf:type dcterms:RightsStatement ;\r\n      rdfs:comment \"All Rights (including copyright) CSIRO 2017.\" ;\r\n    ] ;\r\n  dcterms:temporal [\r\n      rdf:type dcterms:PeriodOfTime ;\r\n      rdf:type time:ProperInterval ;\r\n      time:hasBeginning [\r\n          rdf:type time:Instant ;\r\n          time:inXSDDate \"2003-09-01\"^^xsd:date ;\r\n        ] ;\r\n      time:hasEnd [\r\n          rdf:type time:Instant ;\r\n          time:inXSDDate \"2003-12-31\"^^xsd:date ;\r\n        ] ;\r\n    ] ;\r\n  dcterms:title \"Parkes observations for project P366 semester 2003SEPT\" ;\r\n  dcat:contactPoint [\r\n      rdf:type v:Individual ;\r\n      v:fn \"Marta Burgay\" ;\r\n      v:hasEmail <mailto:burgay@oa-cagliari.inaf.it> ;\r\n    ] ;\r\n  dcat:keyword \"pulsar\" ;\r\n  dcat:landingPage <https://doi.org/10.4225/08/598dc08d07bb7> ;\r\n  dcat:theme <http://registry.it.csiro.au/def/keyword/anzsrc/astronomical-and-space-sciences-not-elsewhere-classified> ;\r\n.\r\n```\r\n\r\n2. And using more precise semantics\r\n```\r\n\r\ndap:atnf-P366-2003SEPT_1\r\n  rdf:type dcat:Dataset ;\r\n  dcterms:accessRights [\r\n      rdf:type dcterms:RightsStatement ;\r\n      rdfs:comment \"The metadata and files (if any) are available to the public.\" ;\r\n    ] ;\r\n  dcterms:bibliographicCitation \"Burgay, M; McLaughlin, M; Kramer, M; Lyne, A; Joshi, B; Pearce, G; D'Amico, N; Possenti, A; Manchester, R; Camilo, F (2017): Parkes observations for project P366 semester 2003SEPT. v1. CSIRO. Data Collection. https://doi.org/10.4225/08/598dc08d07bb7\" ;\r\n  dcterms:description \"Parkes multibeam high-latitude pulsar survey\" ;\r\n  dcterms:hasPart [\r\n      rdf:type dcat:Dataset ;\r\n      dcat:distribution [\r\n          rdf:type dcat:Distribution ;\r\n          dcterms:identifier \"PH0090_0011.sf\" ;\r\n          dcterms:license <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/> ;\r\n          dcat:accessURL <https://data.csiro.au/dap/landingpage?pid=csiro:P366-2003SEPT> ;\r\n          dcat:byteSize \"1GB\" ;\r\n        ] ;\r\n    ] ;\r\n  dcterms:hasPart [\r\n      rdf:type dcat:Dataset ;\r\n      dcat:distribution [\r\n          rdf:type dcat:Distribution ;\r\n          dcterms:identifier \"PH0090_0021.sf\" ;\r\n          dcterms:license <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/> ;\r\n          dcat:accessURL <https://data.csiro.au/dap/landingpage?pid=csiro:P366-2003SEPT> ;\r\n          dcat:byteSize \"402MB\" ;\r\n        ] ;\r\n    ] ;\r\n  dcterms:hasPart [\r\n      rdf:type dcat:Dataset ;\r\n      dcat:distribution [\r\n          rdf:type dcat:Distribution ;\r\n          dcterms:identifier \"PH0090_0031.sf\" ;\r\n          dcterms:license <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/> ;\r\n          dcat:accessURL <https://data.csiro.au/dap/landingpage?pid=csiro:P366-2003SEPT> ;\r\n          dcat:byteSize \"82MB\" ;\r\n        ] ;\r\n    ] ;\r\n  dcterms:identifier \"https://doi.org/10.4225/08/598dc08d07bb7\" ;\r\n  dcterms:identifier \"ivo://au.csiro.atnf/P366-2003SEPT\" ;\r\n  dcterms:license <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/> ;\r\n  dcterms:modified \"2017-07-30T08:55:55Z\"^^xsd:dateTime ;\r\n  dcterms:rights [\r\n      rdf:type dcterms:RightsStatement ;\r\n      rdfs:comment \"All Rights (including copyright) CSIRO 2017.\" ;\r\n    ] ;\r\n  dcterms:temporal [\r\n      rdf:type dcterms:PeriodOfTime ;\r\n      rdf:type time:ProperInterval ;\r\n      time:hasBeginning [\r\n          rdf:type time:Instant ;\r\n          time:inXSDDate \"2003-09-01\"^^xsd:date ;\r\n        ] ;\r\n      time:hasEnd [\r\n          rdf:type time:Instant ;\r\n          time:inXSDDate \"2003-12-31\"^^xsd:date ;\r\n        ] ;\r\n    ] ;\r\n  dcterms:title \"Parkes observations for project P366 semester 2003SEPT\" ;\r\n  dcat:contactPoint [\r\n      rdf:type v:Individual ;\r\n      v:fn \"Marta Burgay\" ;\r\n      v:hasEmail <mailto:burgay@oa-cagliari.inaf.it> ;\r\n    ] ;\r\n  dcat:keyword \"pulsar\" ;\r\n  dcat:landingPage <https://data.csiro.au/dap/landingpage?pid=csiro:P366-2003SEPT> ;\r\n  dcat:theme <http://registry.it.csiro.au/def/keyword/anzsrc/astronomical-and-space-sciences-not-elsewhere-classified> ;\r\n.\r\n```"}}
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