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(See #190 for the most recent change).\r\n\r\nIn the past, we had unopposed elections when the numbers were smaller. With an increased size, we run the risk of (in quieter times, if they ever happen again) of having trouble filling the larger committee. This can be alleviated by defining that these committees have \"at least N and no more than M\". In a sense, today, N=M.\r\n\r\nI believe that the handling of this is unaffected by the voting system, though some have expressed concern to the contrary. \r\n\r\nI believe that the following apply under any voting system, and whether M=N or M>N.\r\n\r\n1. At any election, if there are fewer nominations than needed to maintain the committee at at least N, then continue to do whatever we do now (I think our process is that we delay until enough nominations are received).\r\n2. If the election system does not permit rejecting candidates, and the number of nominations is less than the number of free seats, then the candidates are elected unopposed (the resulting committee has <=M occupied seats).\r\n3. If the number of nominations is greater than the number of free seats, then an election is held to appoint to fill exactly M seats.\r\n4. If the election system were to permit rejecting candidates, then an election is always held. If the result is that fewer than N seats become occupied (too many rejected candidates), then the introduction of that voting system will have to describe what happens (the election is void and nominations re-opened? we open a second round for the unfilled seats?). We do not have, and have not had in the past, such an election system, so this should be dealt with if we ever introduce such.\r\n\r\nEffectively at each election, we look at the number of seats not open for re-election, and subtract that from N and M (e.g. if N=9 and M=11 and 5 seats are not open for re-election, then we say we are looking to elect between 4 and 6 people)."},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/w3c/w3process/issues/comments/426538323","html_url":"https://github.com/w3c/w3process/issues/204#issuecomment-426538323","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/w3c/w3process/issues/204","id":426538323,"node_id":"MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQyNjUzODMyMw==","user":{"login":"frivoal","id":113268,"node_id":"MDQ6VXNlcjExMzI2OA==","avatar_url":"https://avatars0.githubusercontent.com/u/113268?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/frivoal","html_url":"https://github.com/frivoal","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/frivoal/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/frivoal/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/frivoal/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/frivoal/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/frivoal/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/frivoal/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/frivoal/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/frivoal/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/frivoal/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2018-10-03T07:28:33Z","updated_at":"2018-10-03T07:28:33Z","author_association":"COLLABORATOR","body":"Ok, maybe I understand now. It looks like you're saying that \r\n* in addition to however many were vacated mid mandate,\r\n    - on even years we can elect at most 5 full terms\r\n    - on odd years we can elect at most 6 full terms \r\n* on any year, we must elect at least 9 minus however many are actually continuing their term.\r\n* Regardless of the max and min, I also think you're saying that however many were vacated is the number of short terms.\r\n\r\nIf that's what you mean, then:\r\n1. yes, that can work\r\n2. it is different from what you had proposed in the opening comment, and neither is it a simpler rephrasing of the arithmetic, but actually a different system. Which is why it took me so long to understand what you meant.\r\n3. I prefer my method, as it allows for more rapid increases and decreases of the AB size depending on the number of candidates, while keeping the same bounds, and preventing strongly unbalanced cycles, but I would not object to your approach if it has the favor of the majority.\r\n\r\nIf that's not what you mean (and even if it is), I will have to insist that actual math is clearer, cause I still don't get it."}}
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