{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/janpaul123/paperprograms/issues/32","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/janpaul123/paperprograms","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/janpaul123/paperprograms/issues/32/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/janpaul123/paperprograms/issues/32/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/janpaul123/paperprograms/issues/32/events","html_url":"https://github.com/janpaul123/paperprograms/issues/32","id":303437810,"number":32,"title":"Possible interference with Dynamicland","user":{"login":"sgwilym","id":579491,"avatar_url":"https://avatars2.githubusercontent.com/u/579491?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/sgwilym","html_url":"https://github.com/sgwilym","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/sgwilym/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/sgwilym/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/sgwilym/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/sgwilym/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/sgwilym/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/sgwilym/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/sgwilym/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/sgwilym/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/sgwilym/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"assignees":[],"milestone":null,"comments":8,"created_at":"2018-03-08T10:54:21Z","updated_at":"2018-03-17T07:03:41Z","closed_at":null,"author_association":"NONE","body":"Putting this into an issue as the [last conversation](https://github.com/janpaul123/paperprograms/commit/bfc27681fbccea2a07406582eb142d73c6961fce) about it seems to have been left open ended.\r\n\r\n@janpaul123 recently posted this:\r\n\r\n> Apparently some potential Dynamicland collaborations have fallen through or are threatened by people setting up Paper Programs instead and calling it a day. That is the opposite of what I want to happen, especially since Dynamicland really needs funding.\r\n\r\nIt's easy to imagine how people could confuse Paper Programs for a OSS substitute of Dynamicland's interaction model: it superficially resembles Dynamicland, and the website doesn't do much to spell out the limitations of Paper Programs in comparsion, or if there is supposed to be any difference in direction. \r\n\r\nRight now there is a disclaimer on the camera page:\r\n\r\n> Paper Programs would not exist without the incredible research community at Dynamicland. They continue to push the bounds of physical, communal computing, and continue to inspire. If you can, support Dynamicland by visiting, collaborating and donating. Thanks!! :)\r\n\r\nThis pushes people in the direction of Dynamicland, but still does nothing to suggest that there is any difference between the two, simply that Paper Programs has been inspired by Dynamicland.\r\n\r\nThen there are issues in this repo that seem completely counter to any wish to reduce confusion between Paper Programs and Dynamicland, such as #30 (\"Realtalk. Let's implement it\"). Unless there is some collaboration with Dynamicland going on behind the scenes, this seems like exactly the opposite of what you'd want to do -- a kind of have your cake and eat it approach where it's stated that this shouldn't be used as a substitute for working with Dynamicland while actively working to duplicate it.\r\n\r\nFinally, I consider myself fairly plugged in and follow this project closely -- but it's really not clear to me if this project aims to be anything else than a browser based clone of Realtalk.\r\n\r\nWhat is the difference meant to be?\r\n\r\nHow is that difference expressed in the design?\r\n\r\nWhat other things can be done to show joe-off-the-web that Paper Programs can't be used as a instant DIY Dynamicland kit?\r\n\r\nApologies for being a bit of a broken record, or if I'm stepping on anyone's toes. But it seems like the desire to play with Dynamicland's interaction model _now_ at the expense of donations and collaborations with Dynamicland itself could be exactly the kind of short-termism that has made them hesitant to interact with the FOSS community.\r\n"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/janpaul123/paperprograms/issues/comments/373899652","html_url":"https://github.com/janpaul123/paperprograms/issues/32#issuecomment-373899652","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/janpaul123/paperprograms/issues/32","id":373899652,"user":{"login":"janpaul123","id":177461,"avatar_url":"https://avatars3.githubusercontent.com/u/177461?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/janpaul123","html_url":"https://github.com/janpaul123","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/janpaul123/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/janpaul123/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/janpaul123/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/janpaul123/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/janpaul123/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/janpaul123/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/janpaul123/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/janpaul123/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/janpaul123/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2018-03-17T07:03:41Z","updated_at":"2018-03-17T07:03:41Z","author_association":"OWNER","body":"Good discussion here!!\r\n\r\n@osnr and I talked with some folks at Dynamicland, and it was a positive chat. They understand that people are taking slices of what they built and putting it out there. They appreciated the notice that is shown on the camera page now. We talked about various topics like improving messaging, how to open up Dynamicland to the world more, ways to make the difference and value of Dynamicland clearer, etc.\r\n\r\nWe didn't have concrete next steps though, and concluded that we would all think about it more. Also, they are very much in fundraising mode, and while there are promising things happening there, all of these concerns are moot if they would not get sustainable funding. Hopefully Paper Programs should not interfere with that any more. So we all thought it would be better for them to focus on fundraising right now, instead of worrying about our project.\r\n\r\nHopefully this makes sense. If anyone has any fundraising leads for Dynamicland, feel free to contact them or me directly. Also, if you happen to be near Oakland/SF, feel free to drop me a note and I'll happily show you around Dynamicland. 😃 "}}
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