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My gear is packed up, so I'm flying with auto-coordinated mouse control.\r\n> Mitigation: None.  I was able to takeoff, but for novice pilots this would be unusable.  Not sure if anyone else has experienced this problem - my configuration is non-standard so I don't want to rule out that this may be isolated to my build.\r\n\r\nWell, personally, I think the propwash is a bit too strong, but that's just the feeling I get. I imagine this is because he is using auto-coordinated mouse control.\r\n\r\nit0uchpods as well, told me that the p-factor was far too much, and the engine seems \"weak\". Well, I have a hard time sometimes to maintain speed / rate of climb at a suitable level if I am heavy and took off from a short runway, but I can't say I have noticed a weak engine. He does say the problems are \"new\", so it might have been introduced by my issue-124 - I trust not!\r\n"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/c172p-team/c172p/issues/comments/392602754","html_url":"https://github.com/c172p-team/c172p/issues/1112#issuecomment-392602754","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/c172p-team/c172p/issues/1112","id":392602754,"user":{"login":"gilbertohasnofb","id":5700795,"avatar_url":"https://avatars2.githubusercontent.com/u/5700795?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/gilbertohasnofb","html_url":"https://github.com/gilbertohasnofb","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gilbertohasnofb/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gilbertohasnofb/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gilbertohasnofb/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gilbertohasnofb/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gilbertohasnofb/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gilbertohasnofb/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gilbertohasnofb/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gilbertohasnofb/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/gilbertohasnofb/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2018-05-28T21:00:38Z","updated_at":"2018-05-28T21:00:38Z","author_association":"COLLABORATOR","body":"@dany93 As I told you before I have nearly no hours under my belt (1 hour in a Cessna 152 to be more exact) and I am only giving my opinion here since you asked for it in our email exchanges. I personally felt that setting that coefficient to `0.5` made the aircraft handle much better and much more similar to what I experienced in other sims, particularly during the take off roll. With `1.0` and `0.75` I feel that we need too much rudder input to keep the aircraft centred and the aircraft also feels less stable in the horizontal direction (perhaps because the effect is strong and is difficult to not over correct it and end up zigzagging around the runway). At `0.5` it feels good to me, only a bit of rudder is necessary and the effect is easy to counter balance, while still being clearly there. In the air, both `0.5` and `0.75` felt fine, `1.0` made the left turning tendency a bit too strong. But the take off roll is the big one in my opinion. Don't know if any of this helps, and please take this all with a grain of salt...\r\n\r\n@onox We could also ask in the forum for RL 172 pilot feedback, though I fear the noise. The dev list seems silent about this, though I think it could be good to make a new post unrelated to the discussion that happened about the release and these issues afterwards. What do you think?"}}
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