{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-community/team/issues/216","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-community/team","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-community/team/issues/216/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-community/team/issues/216/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-community/team/issues/216/events","html_url":"https://github.com/rust-community/team/issues/216","id":301460017,"number":216,"title":"agenda: 1 March 2018, \"officialness\" ","user":{"login":"ashleygwilliams","id":1163554,"avatar_url":"https://avatars0.githubusercontent.com/u/1163554?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams","html_url":"https://github.com/ashleygwilliams","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[{"id":777872178,"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-community/team/labels/agenda","name":"agenda","color":"fbca04","default":false},{"id":777869107,"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-community/team/labels/meeting","name":"meeting","color":"e40be8","default":false}],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"assignees":[],"milestone":null,"comments":0,"created_at":"2018-03-01T16:01:31Z","updated_at":"2018-03-01T18:47:40Z","closed_at":null,"author_association":"OWNER","body":"the goal of this meeting is to allow for an open dialogue between community team members about the issue of \"officialness\" in the rust community. the deliverable from this meeting will be a proposal that @ashleygwilliams will present to the core team.\r\n\r\n1. intro and summary\r\n2. define the problem\r\n    - categories?\r\n       - events\r\n       - groups\r\n       - resources\r\n       - other?\r\n3. come up with solutions\r\n4. collect and delegate action items"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-community/team/issues/comments/369690817","html_url":"https://github.com/rust-community/team/issues/216#issuecomment-369690817","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-community/team/issues/216","id":369690817,"user":{"login":"ashleygwilliams","id":1163554,"avatar_url":"https://avatars0.githubusercontent.com/u/1163554?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams","html_url":"https://github.com/ashleygwilliams","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ashleygwilliams/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2018-03-01T18:47:39Z","updated_at":"2018-03-01T18:47:39Z","author_association":"OWNER","body":"this meeting happened! @Manishearth @bstrie and @ashleygwilliams were present.\r\n\r\nwe discussed several things which i will write up into an RFC on the [rfcs repo](https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs):\r\n\r\n0. defintions\r\n    - rust item: a group, event, communication channel, or resource\r\n    - official rust team: any team listed on the [Rust org chart](https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/rust-team-structure-revamp/6776)\r\n\r\n1. historically this issue has caused some emotions! mostly around how unclear and poorly documented it is. we want to be sensitive to those situations and seek to prevent them in the future.\r\n\r\n2. we identified a few definitions of **official**:\r\n   - sponsored by funds that are managed by official Rust team(s)\r\n   - the responsibility of members of official Rust team(s)\r\n   - the responsibility of official Rust teams(s)\r\n\r\n   the last two there are a subtle but critical difference. members of a team can organize/run/create something, but that does not mean that that thing is a responsibility of the team. this distinction is important in the heuristics we generated (see below). \r\n\r\n3. we discussed several pros and cons that the term official has in the governance of an open source community:\r\n    - PROS:\r\n       - helps people discover and identify rust item\r\n       - helps set people's expectations about the quality of a rust item\r\n       - appropriately identifies the responsibility of an item as being an official rust team\r\n    - CONS:\r\n       - can (either intentionally or not) \"claim\" a space, stifling growth and diversity\r\n       - lack of \"officialness\" can feel like the absence of a vote of confidence or worse, an insult\r\n       - misunderstandings of what is eligible for funding from the Rust official teams\r\n\r\n4. the problem spans across 4 categories of items: groups, events, communication channels, and resources:\r\n\r\n   - **groups** (e.g. a meetup group, or other affiliation group)\r\n       The policy around groups should be that **they are never deemed official in anyway**. This is important for allowing the growth and expansion of social groups. The Rust team does not wish to accidentally allow an affinity space (language, country, or other denomination) to be claimed by a certain organization. As a result, none of these will be deemed official as we believe that officialness would detract from our desire for a growing, diverse, community.\r\n\r\n  - **events** (e.g. a conference or workshop)\r\n      The policy around events should be that **no event is considered official *unless* it is the direct responsibility of a Rust team**. If the event has members of a Rust team on it's organizing committee, this is still not grounds for officialness as it is the affiliation with the **team** not the **members** that the officialness is derived. These events can still be **supported** by funds managed by an official Rust team and advertised on official channels (twitter, website).\r\n\r\n     The only events that currently fall under **official Rust events** are:\r\n         - RustConf- responsibility of the Core team\r\n         - RustBridge - responsibility of the RustBridge team, under the Community Team\r\n\r\n   - **communication channels** (e.g. IRC, reddit, twitter, slack)\r\n        The policy around communication channels should be that **a communication channel is consider ed official if it is governed by the Rust Code of Conduct and has moderation under the guidance of the Rust Moderation team**. The largest factor limited the officialness of communication channels is the bandwidth and willingness of the Moderation team to ensure that the experience on these channels align with the Rust Community Standards (NOTE: @Manishearth we might want to write this up in addition to the CoC).\r\n\r\n      Current official communication channels:\r\n       - (NOTE: make a list of these)\r\n\r\n    - **resources** (books, tutorials, documentation)\r\n        The policy around resources should be that **a resource is considered official if it is the direct responsibility of a Rust team**. If the resources has members of a Rust team as it's author or on it's organizing committee, this is still not grounds for officialness as it is the affiliation with the **team** not the **members** that the officialness is derived. These resources can still be **supported** by funds managed by an official Rust team and advertised on official channels (twitter, website).\r\n\r\n      Current official resources:\r\n           - The Book\r\n           - (NOTE: make a list of these)\r\n\r\n5. logo use:\r\n     - need to have a separate meeting about this"}}
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