{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/bisq-network/proposals/issues/35","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/bisq-network/proposals","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/bisq-network/proposals/issues/35/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/bisq-network/proposals/issues/35/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/bisq-network/proposals/issues/35/events","html_url":"https://github.com/bisq-network/proposals/issues/35","id":350519436,"node_id":"MDU6SXNzdWUzNTA1MTk0MzY=","number":35,"title":"Listing fee policy - step 1 (general)","user":{"login":"HarryMacfinned","id":34919942,"node_id":"MDQ6VXNlcjM0OTE5OTQy","avatar_url":"https://avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/34919942?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/HarryMacfinned","html_url":"https://github.com/HarryMacfinned","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/HarryMacfinned/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/HarryMacfinned/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/HarryMacfinned/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/HarryMacfinned/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/HarryMacfinned/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/HarryMacfinned/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/HarryMacfinned/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/HarryMacfinned/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/HarryMacfinned/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"assignees":[],"milestone":null,"comments":3,"created_at":"2018-08-14T17:14:14Z","updated_at":"2018-08-17T11:00:15Z","closed_at":null,"author_association":"NONE","body":"> _This is a Bisq Network proposal. Please familiarize yourself with the [submission and review process](https://docs.bisq.network/proposals.html)._\r\n\r\n<!-- Please do not remove the text above. -->\r\n\r\nThis proposal writing was suggested by @manfredkarrer after a short exchange on slack.\r\n\r\n\r\nProposal for listing fee policy - step 1 (general)\r\n=====================================\r\n\r\nListing fee policy is imo important for Bisq.\r\nUp to now, free listing has been the rule, see https://docs.bisq.network/exchange/howto/list-asset.html\r\n\r\nBisq has more than 130 altcoins listed (https://bisq.network/faq/#altcoins), which costs Bisq BSQ, dev time, promotion time (and reputation).\r\n(Actually, Bisq does promotion for altcoins ... while altcoins do quite few promotion for Bisq).\r\n\r\nIf we look at the statistics on several months (see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o-I5fAx7DJRVqYjW8fPbo0ztlGIhIZ1EM2iLc5aEHnA/edit#gid=1000435171) there are less than 10 altcoins having effective trades.\r\nAnd ~80 altcoins having day after day simply absolutely **no offers** at all.\r\n\r\nNot only does this lead nowhere, but it doesn't help conveying the image of a dynamic market place.\r\n(For a (too) big part of the listing, it looks more like a kind of an altcoin cemetery. Imo it has a negative reputation effect.)\r\n\r\nConsidering this situation, this proposal has as object to change the current listing fee policy.\r\n\r\nThe proposal as a whole, if we accept the proposed directions, will need to go into technical details.\r\nHowever, I don't want to mix general direction with technical details and numbers, so I proceed here with a first simple an general proposal.\r\n\r\nIf there is no consensus for the general direction, no need to propose technical details.\r\n\r\nSo here are the first suggestions :\r\n\r\n1/ I suggest that Bisq continues to apply a **\"no politics\"** rule for listing altcoins.\r\nListing/unlisting should be only a matter of numbers.\r\nThis means also that the **same** rule should apply for all altcoins.\r\n\r\n2/ End free listing :\r\nBy asking nothing in order to be listed, we encourage numerous altcoins communities to just do the listing job ... and absolutely nothing after this point.\r\nListing process ended, there is **no incitative** for the altcoin promoter to do anything on Bisq.\r\nBy asking some fees, maybe even very small, we could stop this _\"list me and see me never again\"_ attitude.\r\nAsking some fees should help the concerned altcoin community to think about doing something on Bisq in order to help to generate trades.\r\nAnd this will be positive for everybody.\r\nListing may still continue to be free for a limited time, under certain conditions. \r\nBut free listing forever policy will end.\r\n\r\nIf there is consensus about those simple general lines, I can deepen things in a next proposal.\r\nThe goal being however to have a proposal having in mind to do things as smoothly as possible and avoid also massive and/or brutal unlisting.\r\n"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/bisq-network/proposals/issues/comments/413831162","html_url":"https://github.com/bisq-network/proposals/issues/35#issuecomment-413831162","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/bisq-network/proposals/issues/35","id":413831162,"node_id":"MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQxMzgzMTE2Mg==","user":{"login":"ManfredKarrer","id":1449498,"node_id":"MDQ6VXNlcjE0NDk0OTg=","avatar_url":"https://avatars0.githubusercontent.com/u/1449498?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/ManfredKarrer","html_url":"https://github.com/ManfredKarrer","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ManfredKarrer/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ManfredKarrer/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ManfredKarrer/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ManfredKarrer/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ManfredKarrer/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ManfredKarrer/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ManfredKarrer/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ManfredKarrer/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ManfredKarrer/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2018-08-17T11:00:15Z","updated_at":"2018-08-17T11:00:15Z","author_association":"MEMBER","body":"Many altcoiners listing at Bisq never used Bisq as it is visible from some of their questions or comments (they often think we integrate their wallets and update us about forks or whatever, so they are not aware that the altcoin transfer is out of system in Bisq). So if even those who ask for the listing and doing the PR often don't even read about how Bisq works, beside that they never do any trade, I doubt that we get any community support from them in most cases. The synergies are very limited and can also be negative as many of the coins have not a solid reputation to say the least, thus bringing Bisq in the relation to them will add probably more negative value then positive.\r\nBut anyway I don't want to interpret too much as I also don't know much about 99% of the coins.\r\nFact is from trade statistics that >90% are nearly never traded and they cause some effort. "}}
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