{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/gcp/leela-zero/issues/1051","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/gcp/leela-zero","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/gcp/leela-zero/issues/1051/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/gcp/leela-zero/issues/1051/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/gcp/leela-zero/issues/1051/events","html_url":"https://github.com/gcp/leela-zero/issues/1051","id":306244559,"number":1051,"title":"scoring issues","user":{"login":"pw31","id":18750275,"avatar_url":"https://avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/18750275?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/pw31","html_url":"https://github.com/pw31","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/pw31/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/pw31/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/pw31/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/pw31/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/pw31/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/pw31/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/pw31/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/pw31/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/pw31/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"assignees":[],"milestone":null,"comments":5,"created_at":"2018-03-18T14:23:45Z","updated_at":"2018-03-18T16:55:05Z","closed_at":null,"author_association":"NONE","body":"I'm sure you have all watched the game of Leela Zero against Haylee[4p], where there was an issue with the scoring in the final position: \r\nOn OGS:  LizzieBot[B] -HayleeW], game scored B+2.5, but should be B+5.5 I think, see  \r\nhttps://online-go.com/game/12063810. There is an issue with seki in upper right corner, which fortunately didn't change the outcome of the game.\r\n\r\nHowever, in this game, it did:\r\nOn KGS:  zjcxsaq1[W] - petgo3[B], game scored W+6.5, but should be B+1.5 \r\nhttp://files.gokgs.com/games/2018/3/17/zjcxsaq1-petgo3.sgf\r\nNot clear what the issue is, did the player made an error (or trick LZ?) in the final game scoring phase?\r\n\r\nA counterexample is this one:\r\nOn OGS: RoyalZeroSlow[B] - marksim[W], game was correctly scored W+0.5\r\nhttps://online-go.com/game/12095491\r\nThis game is super interesting. LZ makes another huge self-atari, but looking at the winprob, I think it did so out of desperation and saw this all coming well before. Just great play by W it seems. Super strong endgame from both sides apparently.\r\n\r\nAnyway, my question is whether scoring issues might influence the training games and training match results. Does LZ produce the scores itself, or it there some kind of referee, like gnugo or so, which does provide the final score? How could LZ ever learn to score correctly otherwise?  "},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/gcp/leela-zero/issues/comments/374015649","html_url":"https://github.com/gcp/leela-zero/issues/1051#issuecomment-374015649","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/gcp/leela-zero/issues/1051","id":374015649,"user":{"login":"StanTraykov","id":36573153,"avatar_url":"https://avatars2.githubusercontent.com/u/36573153?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/StanTraykov","html_url":"https://github.com/StanTraykov","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/StanTraykov/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/StanTraykov/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/StanTraykov/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/StanTraykov/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/StanTraykov/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/StanTraykov/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/StanTraykov/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/StanTraykov/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/StanTraykov/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2018-03-18T16:55:05Z","updated_at":"2018-03-18T16:55:05Z","author_association":"NONE","body":"IIRC, LZ does pass with prisoners on the board, that is why people modify their CGOS clients to use \"kgs-genmove_cleanup\" instead of plain \"genmove\" to generate moves. 'kgs-genmove_cleanup' is a KGS extension to GTP for the specific purpose of dispute resolution, asking the bot to take all stones it thinks it can take (used only for area scoring systems--chinese, AGA, NZ)."}}
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