{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-lang/rust-marketing/issues/12","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-lang/rust-marketing","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-lang/rust-marketing/issues/12/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-lang/rust-marketing/issues/12/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-lang/rust-marketing/issues/12/events","html_url":"https://github.com/rust-lang/rust-marketing/issues/12","id":344547723,"node_id":"MDU6SXNzdWUzNDQ1NDc3MjM=","number":12,"title":"Are comparisons what we want?","user":{"login":"steveklabnik","id":27786,"node_id":"MDQ6VXNlcjI3Nzg2","avatar_url":"https://avatars2.githubusercontent.com/u/27786?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/steveklabnik","html_url":"https://github.com/steveklabnik","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/steveklabnik/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/steveklabnik/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/steveklabnik/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/steveklabnik/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/steveklabnik/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/steveklabnik/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/steveklabnik/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/steveklabnik/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/steveklabnik/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"assignees":[],"milestone":null,"comments":4,"created_at":"2018-07-25T18:01:48Z","updated_at":"2018-07-26T00:39:15Z","closed_at":null,"author_association":"MEMBER","body":"I'm pretty sure the answer is \"yes\", but I wanted to raise it in an issue, because this is a *significant* departure of policy. There's been a psudo-unspoken rule in marketing Rust for years: \r\n\r\n> don't compare to other languages, but instead, sell on our own merits.\r\n\r\nThere's a lot of good reasons for this, but it can hamper things as well.\r\n\r\nHow are we going to do this properly?"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-lang/rust-marketing/issues/comments/407939479","html_url":"https://github.com/rust-lang/rust-marketing/issues/12#issuecomment-407939479","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/rust-lang/rust-marketing/issues/12","id":407939479,"node_id":"MDEyOklzc3VlQ29tbWVudDQwNzkzOTQ3OQ==","user":{"login":"graydon","id":14097,"node_id":"MDQ6VXNlcjE0MDk3","avatar_url":"https://avatars3.githubusercontent.com/u/14097?v=4","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/graydon","html_url":"https://github.com/graydon","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/graydon/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/graydon/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/graydon/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/graydon/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/graydon/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/graydon/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/graydon/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/graydon/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/graydon/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2018-07-26T00:39:15Z","updated_at":"2018-07-26T00:39:15Z","author_association":"NONE","body":"I concur that not attacking or even making a big deal of competing with other languages has always been a (spoken!) guideline in discussing Rust; but [I did mention C++, JVM/CLR languages and Go in the very first slide deck](http://venge.net/graydon/talks/intro-talk-2.pdf) on the topic (the former motivating the project, the latter being something everyone asks about). I think it's fair to at least have an answer. Just keep it technical: explain where there are overarching differences and the costs and benefits of them (i.e. be even more generous to them than I was back then).\r\n\r\nDissatisfaction with pervasive unsafety in C++ _was_ a motive, and we _did_ consider whether it'd be best to just stop and give up when Go came out (and decided against it -- it's trivial to write a data race, no concept of immutability at all, etc.) I think you'll probably also want to have a comparison with a couple JVM and CLR languages, with Swift, with one or more interpreted scripting languages (legit lots of people do not know the differences)."}}
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