{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3213","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/openstreetmap/iD","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3213/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3213/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3213/events","html_url":"https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3213","id":163504951,"number":3213,"title":"shop=chemist preset should not be called drugstore in en-US","user":{"login":"1ec5","id":1231218,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/1231218?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/1ec5","html_url":"https://github.com/1ec5","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/1ec5/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/1ec5/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/1ec5/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/1ec5/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/1ec5/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/1ec5/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/1ec5/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/1ec5/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/1ec5/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[],"state":"closed","locked":false,"assignee":null,"assignees":[],"milestone":null,"comments":13,"created_at":"2016-07-02T06:31:10Z","updated_at":"2016-07-05T14:56:40Z","closed_at":"2016-07-05T14:56:40Z","body":"Although it can be argued that a “chemist’s shop” in British English may contain a pharmacy counter and is thus equivalent to the U.S. “drugstore”, the OSM Wiki is clear about [`shop=chemist`](http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dchemist) being reserved for health products shops that lack a pharmacy counter:\r\n\r\n> For a shop that dispenses prescription drugs – that is, a pharmacy or a drugstore in American English – see `amenity=pharmacy`. For British English speakers, it is important to recognise that chemist and pharmacy are not synonymns on OSM.\r\n\r\nMeanwhile, [`amenity=pharmacy`](http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpharmacy) (emphasis mine):\r\n\r\n> Stores that sell other items typically found in pharmacies such as personal care items, but that **do not sell regulated medications**, should be not be tagged as `amenity=pharmacy`, but instead perhaps as `shop=chemist`.\r\n\r\nThe distinction between `shop=chemist` and `amenity=pharmacy` is not whether it’s housed in a separate building but rather whether it can fill prescriptions or sell prescription drugs.\r\n\r\nhttps://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/issues/30#issuecomment-228798011 reasoned that:\r\n\r\n> We should instead encourage `amenity=pharmacy` to be tagged as a point node within drug stores or whatever other business.\r\n\r\nAs part of the proposal in that comment, #3201 changed the `shop=chemist` preset from “Chemist” to “Drugstore”, and the OSM Wiki would be edited to match.\r\n\r\nA discussion on a relatively obscure GitHub repo followed by an OSM Wiki edit is not the most effective way to change entrenched OSM tagging practices. For one thing, iD is not the only editor; all the other editors have `amenity=pharmacy` presets and now contradict iD. As much as I personally loathe doing so, if you think the established usage of such a common tag should change, you should start a discussion on the tagging@ mailing list or a tagging proposal on the OSM Wiki.\r\n\r\n/cc @bhousel @math1985 @pmailkeey"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/openstreetmap/iD/issues/comments/230502933","html_url":"https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3213#issuecomment-230502933","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3213","id":230502933,"user":{"login":"bhousel","id":38784,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/38784?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/bhousel","html_url":"https://github.com/bhousel","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bhousel/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bhousel/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bhousel/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bhousel/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bhousel/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bhousel/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bhousel/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bhousel/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bhousel/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2016-07-05T14:56:40Z","updated_at":"2016-07-05T14:56:40Z","body":"What has been done so far:\r\n* `shop=chemist` now says \"Drugstore\" in `en-US`, and still says \"Chemist\" in `en-GB`.\r\n\r\nThat all.\r\n\r\nSaying that I \"unilaterally influence the way its users interpret and use a well established tag, without any way for the rest of the OSM ecosystem to detect that change\" is not really fair. \r\n\r\nClosing here.  Please discuss on @tagging or @talk-us if you think that any discussion there might lead to US-UK tag harmonization, which I agree is a worthy goal.  We can make a friendly wager offline about whether or not this will result in any meaningful progress.\r\n\r\n---\r\n\r\n*(opinion follows)*\r\n\r\nYes I agree with @pmailkeey.\r\nSome discussion on [osm wiki from last year](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:amenity%3Dpharmacy#Superstore_pharmacies) suggests the same.\r\n\r\n* `amenity=pharmacy` should be for a counter where a pharmacist dispenses prescriptions or other controlled medicines.\r\n* `shop=chemist` should be for a drug store\r\n* `dispensing` should go away, as it reflects only the laws in the jurisdiction where the business operates.  When the laws change, are we going to retag all of these features?  Of course not.\r\n\r\nPharmacy counters can exist within drugstores, groceries, hospitals, warehouse clubs, or be standalone.  They have separate phone numbers and operating hours, and sometimes separate building entrance.  We should not be using this tag to mean \"maybe a counter, or maybe in the US a store with a counter, or in rare cases in the US a store without a counter\".\r\n\r\n"}}
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