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Verbal adverbs are also quite easy, we can tag them with `VerbForm=Trans` (although this is really unusual terminology for Turkic, the description in the documentation seems to fit). Verbal nouns seem to work fine with `VerbForm=Ger`. \n\nThe problem is with verbal adjectives and participles. There is a `VerbForm=Part` class which states that it is a \"is a non-finite verb form that shares properties of verbs and adjectives\". However in Kazakh, participles have more in common with verbal adverbs than with verbal adjectives, and verbal adjectives are used quite differently. For example to make relative clauses. \n\nGiven how they are used in other languages (e.g. Russian) I would like to make verbal adjective be `VerbForm=Part` and then have another value for participles. Note that making them all `VerbForm=Trans` would be a suboptimal solution as not all participles are ambiguous with verbal adverbs and vice versa. It would almost be possible to use `VerbForm=Inf` from the description \"may be used together with auxiliaries to form periphrastic tenses\", but again this would be really stretching terminology.\n\nSo, in brief my suggestion, to start the discussion would be: \n\nFinite = `VerbForm=Fin`\nVerbal noun = `VerbForm=Ger`\nVerbal adjective = `VerbForm=Part`\nVerbal adverb = `VerbForm=Trans`\nParticiple = `VerbForm=Inf`\n\nAny thoughts?\n1. There is a nice description with examples on our Wiki here:\n   http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Turkic_lexicon#Non-finite_verb_forms\n"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/UniversalDependencies/docs/issues/comments/264017427","html_url":"https://github.com/UniversalDependencies/docs/issues/214#issuecomment-264017427","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/UniversalDependencies/docs/issues/214","id":264017427,"user":{"login":"spyysalo","id":587850,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/587850?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/spyysalo","html_url":"https://github.com/spyysalo","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/spyysalo/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/spyysalo/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/spyysalo/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/spyysalo/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/spyysalo/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/spyysalo/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/spyysalo/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/spyysalo/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/spyysalo/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2016-11-30T22:30:37Z","updated_at":"2016-11-30T22:30:37Z","body":"Closing as there is no recent activity and the v2 guidelines are now being published. Please consider opening a new issue with reference to the new guidelines and this discussion if there are open questions relating to this issue."}}
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