{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/SonarSonic/Calculator/issues/102","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/SonarSonic/Calculator","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/SonarSonic/Calculator/issues/102/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/SonarSonic/Calculator/issues/102/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/SonarSonic/Calculator/issues/102/events","html_url":"https://github.com/SonarSonic/Calculator/issues/102","id":156398931,"number":102,"title":"[Feedback and suggestions, long post ]Playing with Calculators","user":{"login":"Axylxys","id":13028936,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/13028936?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys","html_url":"https://github.com/Axylxys","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"milestone":null,"comments":2,"created_at":"2016-05-24T01:04:44Z","updated_at":"2016-05-24T19:08:17Z","closed_at":null,"body":"So, i thought i'd leave some detailled feedback here in case it helps, as i'm playing with the mod right now for the first time, and found it really interesting. For the context, i'm playing on my own server with my girlfriend, we often run huge custom modpacks (240+ mods) and 10 days ago she came up with some funky Calculator mod i never heard about.\r\n\r\nFast forward, we started the game, closing to end game now and i really, really like this mod. And at the same time i hate it sometimes. Also please note i mostly used the github wiki info as a source, and i probably missed some things as i'm still new on the mod. :)\r\n\r\nSo, the really good points i enjoyed:\r\n\r\n-the optimization. I'm paying close attention to Opis and server behaviour especially while using new mods, and Calculator is one of the best mods i've seen so far, if not the best. Really, you did an awesome job on this, all the blocks have really low ticktime, the mechanics are server friendly and even running a max size calculator locator yields as much tick time as two mobs. That's epic and i've never seen such an effecive power source when it comes to rf produced/server tick time ratio. Same goes for all the other blocks, fantastic job you did on the code !\r\n\r\n-look and feel is great too, while the mod sounds a bit weird to begin with, it quickly comes into its own and the background, machines and mechanics are cool.\r\n\r\n-overall design, it's a nice take on the usual tech stuff and has some nice originality !\r\n\r\nAs for the negative feedback... It's centered mostly on the recipes, crafting and overall tediousness. As much as the mod is good, i feel it's years behind when it comes to user friendliness. The main issues i found there are the damn buttons (buttons, buttons everywhere, i probably made more buttons in a week of Calculator than i ever crafted in years lol) and the heavy reliance on non-stackable items with their own energy on top of that.\r\n\r\nIt makes it a pure nightmare to craft large amount of recipes, especially in early-mid game when a full AE network with autocrafting isn't available. I found most of the recipes to make sense, they're quite balanced with ressource costs and time to make but... it's so annoying i found myself sometimes thinking \"oh crap, i'll do that tomorrow, enough of it\" and almost gave up on the mod at some point (thankfully i didn't as i enjoy it !).\r\n\r\nThe various calculators and modules (especially energy modules and scientific calculators) are needed in large amount for recipes, so crafting a few stacks often means transfering inventories full of modules, calculators and random stuff, especially when not knowing much about the mod and shortcuts available.\r\n\r\nSo my main suggestion would be to provide some solutions to this. Maybe have several recipes (a cheap one with a ton of various items, a more expensive one with less steps and easier to make), or some upgraded button instead of having to craft through thousands and thousands of stone buttons, or even an intermediate level machine that could replace some of the process. The recipes themselves are somewhat fun but managing stacks and stacks of buttons while moving around full inventories of calculators and modules is quickly quite exhausting.\r\n\r\n\r\nI also found the machines could use some improvements with their interface, mainly:\r\n\r\n-an upgrade interface like most other mods (ender IO/Thermal/Mekanism/etc) to apply/remove them, having to break the machine to remove them isn't really practical. I also found what seemed a bug on the Docking station: spamming the upgrades while the machine is working results in more upgrades being applied. I spammed with 4 upgrades to apply them between crafting cycles, and the machine ended up with 12 upgrades.\r\n\r\nThe void upgrade should also mention what it does exactly and what it considers as \"useless\" items.\r\n\r\n-Maybe have machines push/pull by themselves, considering some of those are clearly made to work together, it would make it easier to stick them side by side rather than have to cover them with cables.\r\n\r\n-Numbers ! The sync bug reported on the other Issue didn't help but, i find it very hard to know what the machines or blocks actually do when it comes to numbers. That goes for everything, from the scarecrow to the Calculator Locator. Things like rf/t needed, rf/t produced (maybe with a per plug stat for the Locator, or per Lightning strike for the Conductor Mast), operation time, etc... As my first time through the mod, i couldn't find anywhere what's the rf generation of a max size Locator (or any other size to begin with), what machines need, etc... \r\n\r\nIt makes it somewhat confusing and hard to optimize or get motivated for going up the tiers, as we don't know what we'll get.\r\n\r\n\r\nAs for the modules themselves, they're a neat idea ! Though there again they could use some minor interface adjustement. I found the flawless calculator to be quite annoying: it doesn't show what mode is the current one, so everytime i use it after a while, i need to go through everything to make sure i won't teleport or throw a grenade when i just want to craft. Simply showing the current mode when switching to it in the toolbar would be great !\r\n\r\nMaybe even make it more customizable, like for exemple the Blood Magic Sigils: make a \"global module\" where you could select which submodule to bring with you. I'd happily replace the Ender pearl and Grenade in my Flawless calculator with the Nutrition module and another one, for exemple, instead of having to cycle through them all the time.\r\n\r\nThe modules could also get some developpement into various useful stuff, a real teleport (the ender pearl one feels a bit cheap, especially with the Home teleport), maybe some buffs, a shield using energy... Or allow them to be slotted on the tools for a special effect with a special machine. It would also help making the tool more \"special\" rather than just being overboosted vanilla tools (though they're good at that, for sure).\r\n\r\nOh well, that's about all i can think about for now. It's already a long wall of text so, thanks for reading, hopefully it will be helpful. I really like the mod and i hope it will be updated with more stuff added ! It looks really promising, especially regarding the optimization, this is such a rare thing to have something running smooth and fine like that, so i thought i'd take the time to write that.\r\n\r\nKeep up the good work !\r\n\r\nAnd no more stone buttons please :D"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/SonarSonic/Calculator/issues/comments/221372218","html_url":"https://github.com/SonarSonic/Calculator/issues/102#issuecomment-221372218","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/SonarSonic/Calculator/issues/102","id":221372218,"user":{"login":"Axylxys","id":13028936,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/13028936?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys","html_url":"https://github.com/Axylxys","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Axylxys/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2016-05-24T19:08:17Z","updated_at":"2016-05-24T19:08:17Z","body":"Indeed some good stuff coming, i'll wait for the 1.7.10 version though as we still play on that one. :)\r\n\r\nAs for the recipes, the worst ones for me were mostly the Atomic Assembly and its sub-components. basically, the Atomic assembly needs 4 Advanced Assembly, each of those needs 4 Calculator Assembly, and each of those is made of 9 buttons. That's already quite painful, but the worst part comes when doing the Atomic modules, each of those needs 4 scientific calculator that do not stack, and those also need the Advanced Assembly... Argh.\r\n\r\nIt came up when doing the Atomic Calculator, which was the first \"big\" Calculator craft for me, while we were still in early-mid game with basic storages and not a whole lot of ressources. Needless to say, it was really annoying.\r\n\r\nThen after that, the calculator plugs are also quite awful, between the lenghty recipe and having to slot the circuits one by one, they were definitely the most annoying. It comes with a bit of a contrast also as most of the other recipes are actually fun: using the Conductor Mast is really cool, as well as the various Calculator recipes.\r\n\r\nNot sure how to fix it but, maybe have an intermediate recipe to replace all the \"button\" stuff. I think the core idea is that calculator needs buttons, so any machine or block has to be built from calculators, and the damn buttons in the process. Maybe some \"Calculator frame\" or something (english isn't my main language so, no idea of good technical terms :) ) that could be made in a mid-tier machine and save the hassle of needing all the little things for the other recipes, as stone buttons are definitely just a waste of time as soon as you have some kind of automated furnace and a cobblestone generator.\r\n\r\nAs a side note, while it's quite fun to have the \"random low chance to get anything\" from the circuits, making a surprise whenever you open the chest, i also found it quite frustrating a few times. It's quite disappointing to find i got for free one of the machines i spent an hour crafting before, especially as they have no other use beyond that.\r\n\r\nMaybe the trees could be something to consider, to be fair i found them rather useless and didn't even plant them so far, as it's more practical to get what they offer by other means. A tree growing Calculator materials could be quite awesome, and give more incentive to go for the tree related stuff in the mod (unless i missed a great thing about them). Some high tree growing calculator parts would be quite epic i think !\r\n\r\nAnd yep i'm always amazed when i run Opis on our current server, i just wish you could go and optimize all the other mods as well, lol. I know nothing about coding or developping mods but, the whole \"modded minecraft will always be laggy anyway\" mantra sure doesn't apply anymore thanks to you and a few other modders with great optimization too ! "}}
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