{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/17180","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/tgstation/-tg-station","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/17180/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/17180/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/17180/events","html_url":"https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/17180","id":151481656,"number":17180,"title":"Xenos were low, low energy. Time to make them winners. 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That 20% disarm is now a \"slam\" attack that will disarm and deal 45 stamina damage. Victims will be moderately slowed for 3-4 seconds before returning to full speed. 80% of the time you will still tackle like normal. \r\n/:cl:\r\n\r\nBeen testing Xenos since the last PR and was still very dissatisfied with the way they played, it basically boiled down to:\r\n\r\n1) Helmets gave you immunity to everything except neurotoxin and tackles\r\n\r\n2) Single-shot ranged attacks that can't be aimed were insufficient to hold off the crew, only hunter had a realistic chance of tackling laser-wielding crew. \r\n\r\n3) So basically it was extremely easy to just rush into a xeno nest with the nearest face-protection and sprint around like a bunch of tiding turbohitlers and trying to stop them was basically like trying to fight off a revolution with a single shot taser that only goes in a straight line and a telescopic baton. \r\n\r\nHuggers had ceased to play a role in combat, and Queens with their massive sprite and \"40% slower than a juggernaut\" speed basically had become target practice. As I've observed many xeno rounds as an admin, I've found that \"gross negligence by the crew\" is pretty much a mandatory condition for xenos to grow larger than a group of 4. **This should help make Xenos and existential threat again and not just a chance for the crew to try a live-fire exercise of all their science/medical/cargo toys.**"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/comments/218493546","html_url":"https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/17180#issuecomment-218493546","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/17180","id":218493546,"user":{"login":"Zilenan91","id":13275673,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/13275673?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/Zilenan91","html_url":"https://github.com/Zilenan91","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Zilenan91/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Zilenan91/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Zilenan91/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Zilenan91/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Zilenan91/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Zilenan91/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Zilenan91/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Zilenan91/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Zilenan91/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2016-05-11T15:23:05Z","updated_at":"2016-05-11T15:23:05Z","body":"So it's listen to WJ or let xenos be complete shit and not in any way fun to play or watch. I'd just not listen to him and merge this anyways because he doesn't know what he's talking about."}}