{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/nodeschool/organizers/issues/396","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/nodeschool/organizers","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/nodeschool/organizers/issues/396/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/nodeschool/organizers/issues/396/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/nodeschool/organizers/issues/396/events","html_url":"https://github.com/nodeschool/organizers/issues/396","id":186104304,"number":396,"title":"beginners, nodetogether, and you (us)","user":{"login":"llkats","id":578156,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/578156?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats","html_url":"https://github.com/llkats","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[{"id":249067554,"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/nodeschool/organizers/labels/meta","name":"meta","color":"e11d21","default":false},{"id":123614734,"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/nodeschool/organizers/labels/question","name":"question","color":"cc317c","default":true}],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"assignees":[],"milestone":null,"comments":3,"created_at":"2016-10-29T22:21:38Z","updated_at":"2016-10-30T19:02:25Z","closed_at":null,"body":"Following up on [a recent Twitter conversation](https://twitter.com/llkats/status/791080202696728577), and several other conversations that have happened recently, about NodeSchool, NodeTogether, and helping beginners into our community.\r\n\r\nAs experienced programmers, it's easy to forget the amount of assumed knowledge that we have built up over years of development. Ashley's [NodeTogether](http://www.nodetogether.org/) program excels at getting beginners up and running with basic but crucial technologies like the CLI, git, and npm. These skills are fundamental to be able to access NodeSchool workshoppers, themselves, and can be intimidating for beginners to approach, as well as complicated to set up and install. That's why NodeTogether is a great complementary organization to NodeSchool.\r\n\r\nI think that NodeSchool's strengths are in providing a framework and curriculum for the community to host their own events, or even for people to work on exercises on their own time. How could we reach a more distributed audience with NodeTogether's curriculum? Some efforts have been started to [codify a general Node curriculum](https://github.com/nodeschool/organizers/issues/113). \r\n\r\nAt NodeSchool SF, we have \"focused sessions\", where a smaller group of people are led through a workshop which is more hands-on than the general casual NodeSchool hacking time. I could see leading a NodeTogether-type workshop concurrently with NodeSchool too.\r\n\r\nThat's everything I've been thinking. What do other people think?\r\n\r\n/cc everyone from that Twitter thread: @ashleygwilliams @bengl @jedireza @hackygolucky "},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/nodeschool/organizers/issues/comments/257171172","html_url":"https://github.com/nodeschool/organizers/issues/396#issuecomment-257171172","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/nodeschool/organizers/issues/396","id":257171172,"user":{"login":"llkats","id":578156,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/578156?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats","html_url":"https://github.com/llkats","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/llkats/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2016-10-30T19:02:24Z","updated_at":"2016-10-30T19:02:24Z","body":"I don't see NodeTogether as exclusive or oppositional to NodeSchool at all. Like I mentioned up top, I see them as complementary organizations.\r\n\r\nI attended NodeTogether in Amsterdam, curious as to what the event is like, but a little too jetlagged to be an effective mentor. Seeing how Ashley stepped through all of the necessary technology to even begin to use Node really reminded me of how much information needs to be understood before a beginning programmer can even access the NodeSchool workshoppers. NodeTogether was less self-directed and more lesson-oriented than NodeSchool, but there were still attendees and still expert-level mentors helping to guide students. There was still a community being formed and supported.\r\n\r\nI don't think anyone is proposing that NodeSchool change. These organizations have identical goals: primarily, to introduce people to Node. While people who already have some programming knowledge will be more familiar with a programming setup and some of the tools and concepts, NodeTogether does the fundamental education for **true** beginners to be able to start with NodeSchool workshoppers.\r\n\r\nAt NodeSchool SF, we have some phenomenal and very patient mentors who have sat with true beginners and helped them get all set up. It often takes the entire session for that setup to occur.\r\n\r\nThe question here is not how can NodeSchool change. NodeTogether's existence does not imply that NodeSchool is problematic. The question is: what can we at NodeSchool learn from NodeTogether and how can we work together to help both organizations succeed in their common mission? How can NodeSchool better support true beginners?"}}
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