{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/17180","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/tgstation/-tg-station","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/17180/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/17180/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/17180/events","html_url":"https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/17180","id":151481656,"number":17180,"title":"Xenos were low, low energy. Time to make them winners. 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That 20% disarm is now a \"slam\" attack that will disarm and deal 45 stamina damage. Victims will be moderately slowed for 3-4 seconds before returning to full speed. 80% of the time you will still tackle like normal. \r\n/:cl:\r\n\r\nBeen testing Xenos since the last PR and was still very dissatisfied with the way they played, it basically boiled down to:\r\n\r\n1) Helmets gave you immunity to everything except neurotoxin and tackles\r\n\r\n2) Single-shot ranged attacks that can't be aimed were insufficient to hold off the crew, only hunter had a realistic chance of tackling laser-wielding crew. \r\n\r\n3) So basically it was extremely easy to just rush into a xeno nest with the nearest face-protection and sprint around like a bunch of tiding turbohitlers and trying to stop them was basically like trying to fight off a revolution with a single shot taser that only goes in a straight line and a telescopic baton. \r\n\r\nHuggers had ceased to play a role in combat, and Queens with their massive sprite and \"40% slower than a juggernaut\" speed basically had become target practice. As I've observed many xeno rounds as an admin, I've found that \"gross negligence by the crew\" is pretty much a mandatory condition for xenos to grow larger than a group of 4. **This should help make Xenos and existential threat again and not just a chance for the crew to try a live-fire exercise of all their science/medical/cargo toys.**"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/comments/219110230","html_url":"https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/17180#issuecomment-219110230","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/17180","id":219110230,"user":{"login":"Robustin","id":6372371,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/6372371?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/Robustin","html_url":"https://github.com/Robustin","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Robustin/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Robustin/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Robustin/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Robustin/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Robustin/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Robustin/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Robustin/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Robustin/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/Robustin/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2016-05-13T17:38:25Z","updated_at":"2016-05-13T17:38:25Z","body":"Have you even watched alien(s)? Do you even have the slightest idea of what you're talking about?\r\n\r\nFacehuggers are loaded with an ultracorrosive acid, in the movie it eats through a dude's EVA helmet almost instantly and then its tail gets cut off it burns through 2-3 floors in the ship's hull. If anything having ANY helmet block it is unrealistic. "}}