{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/magarena/magarena/issues/686","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/magarena/magarena","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/magarena/magarena/issues/686/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/magarena/magarena/issues/686/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/magarena/magarena/issues/686/events","html_url":"https://github.com/magarena/magarena/issues/686","id":132205815,"number":686,"title":"Alternative source for card ratings? Use Firemind?","user":{"login":"lodici","id":2443519,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2443519?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/lodici","html_url":"https://github.com/lodici","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/lodici/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/lodici/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/lodici/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/lodici/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/lodici/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/lodici/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/lodici/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/lodici/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/lodici/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/magarena/magarena/labels/question","name":"question","color":"cc317c"}],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"milestone":null,"comments":6,"created_at":"2016-02-08T17:23:43Z","updated_at":"2016-02-09T16:01:29Z","closed_at":null,"body":"From a recent [discussion in the forum](http://www.slightlymagic.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=18247#p192534), @ShawnieBoy pointed out that \r\n\r\n> Voting for cards on Gatherer hasn't been functioning since the end of 2014, and there's no sight of it being fixed :(\r\n\r\nA number of alternative solutions were put forward including @PalladiaMors  suggestion of manually maintaining a list - \r\n\r\n>Like, in my opinion, given how important these ratings are for the AI (if I understand correctly, they're a key part of how it evaluates the cards), I think that perhaps some kind of solution to this is going to be eventually necessary? If it only has to be done once, they could maybe be updated manually (I'd offer to help to do that). Of course, if they're reset to 2.5 with every update, that's a lot of work wasted.\r\n\r\nor using an alternative site, \r\n\r\n>I had a quick look around and located ``http://www.mtgassist.com/``, which seems to use a system similar to Gatherer...\r\n\r\nI thought maybe Firemind might be a way of maintaining a central list of ratings seeing as it already has a database of cards for deck duels and we already communicate with the server for the top decks json feed. From @firemind, \r\n\r\n>Not sure what you're asking for exactly but I like the idea ;)\r\n>\r\n>Adding a system where the users can rate the cards manually and publishing the average score via a json call? I could probably do this by tomorrow. The issue is just getting enough people involved in rating the cards.\r\n>\r\n>There is also the option of parsing the the game logs and doing a card win percentage analysis like the mtggoldfish guys did for draft http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/58k ... d-analyzed\r\n>\r\n>Any then there is something even fancier floating around my head involving the game tree built by the AI and some back propagation to figure out what card ratings would help explore the tree best. Very unclear on how to do this yet so maybe it's just an idea for another time.\r\n>\r\n>For now I'd be happy to start off with implementing the user-scored system in a first run. Let me know how you'd like to query the data and I'll set this up.\r\n"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/magarena/magarena/issues/comments/181928194","html_url":"https://github.com/magarena/magarena/issues/686#issuecomment-181928194","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/magarena/magarena/issues/686","id":181928194,"user":{"login":"ShawnieBoy","id":2363180,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2363180?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/ShawnieBoy","html_url":"https://github.com/ShawnieBoy","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ShawnieBoy/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ShawnieBoy/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ShawnieBoy/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ShawnieBoy/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ShawnieBoy/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ShawnieBoy/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ShawnieBoy/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ShawnieBoy/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/ShawnieBoy/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2016-02-09T16:01:29Z","updated_at":"2016-02-09T16:01:29Z","body":"Just to throw my oar in - I'm far more in favor of them being removed.\r\n\r\n>I think a card rating is useful even if it has no affect on AI play. When you have 10,000+ cards to choose from it can be quite intimating for someone new to the game and being able to sort by card rating seems like a good way to focus on stronger/popular cards. Of course this assumes that the card rating is a fair reflection of common opinion.\r\n\r\nI do wonder if any current players of Magarena are new to the game - if so, Magarena isn't really a newbie friendly environment for them, no tutorial, rules etc. I'd more imagine players are already familiar with the game and are either testing decks they've created or playing against tournament decks as practice. *shrug*\r\n\r\nThe option to remove the card values has popped up before, and seeing as we already have around 2,000 cards released since ratings haven't been available, it does look as though they don't have much impact. Though best to test :grinning: \r\n\r\n(Now, how about those removal values and 'static' property :smiling_imp: )"}}