{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/zlsa/atc/issues/370","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/zlsa/atc/issues/370/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/zlsa/atc/issues/370/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/zlsa/atc/issues/370/events","html_url":"https://github.com/zlsa/atc/issues/370","id":129651651,"number":370,"title":"New SIDs, Fixes, and other minor problems for VHHH","user":{"login":"siyuanr","id":15655087,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/15655087?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr","html_url":"https://github.com/siyuanr","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"milestone":null,"comments":4,"created_at":"2016-01-29T03:04:24Z","updated_at":"2016-01-30T07:24:00Z","closed_at":null,"body":"According to the charts [published by the HKAIS](http://www.ais.gov.hk/HK_AIP/ad.htm) (a government agency), we are missing some SIDs and important fixes.\r\n\r\nFixes that needs to be added for new SIDs:\r\n```json\r\n\"ATENA\": [\"N22d24m39.85\", \"E114d23m11.88\"],\r\n\"COLEY\": [\"N22d06m41.03\", \"E114d18m37.63\"],\r\n\"RAMEN\": [\"N22d09m39.22\", \"E114d05m09.89\"],\r\n\"PORPA\": [\"N22d20m09.10\", \"E114d01m16.30\"],\r\n\"ROVER\": [\"N22d20m35.58\", \"E114d01m39.12\"]\r\n```\r\nCould someone add those to `vhhh.json` even if what's described below couldn't be done?\r\n\r\nNow comes the tricky part, which is in some way an extension of Issue #324 in `VHHH`. However, in Hong Kong's case, paths with the same end fix but different departing runways are treated as different SIDs, which are given different names, and there may be more than one SID between a runway and an end fix.\r\n\r\nFor example, for the same `BEKOL` SID, the HKAIS has, for RWYs 7L, 7R, 25L, 25R, respectively:\r\n```json\r\n\"BEKOL 3C\": [\"ROVER\", \"TD\", \"ATENA\", \"BEKOL\", \"IDUMA\"],\r\n\"BEKOL 3A\": [\"PORPA\", \"TD\", \"ATENA\", \"BEKOL\", \"IDUMA\"],\r\n\"BEKOL 2B\": [\"PRAWN\", \"RUMSY\", \"TUNNA\", \"SAMON\", \"BEKOL\", \"IDUMA\"],\r\n\"BEKOL 2D\": [\"PRAWN\", \"RUMSY\", \"TUNNA\", \"SAMON\", \"BEKOL\", \"IDUMA\"]\r\n```\r\nWill this cause any problems? If not, we could then proceed to write the different versions of the other SIDs.\r\n\r\nWe may also consider adding `ATHENA` SIDs for RWYs 7L, 7R, since the HKIAS has:\r\n```json\r\n\"ATENA 2C\": [\"ROVER\", \"RAMEN\", \"TD\", \"ATENA\"],\r\n\"ATENA 2A\": [\"PORPA\", \"RAMEN\", \"TD\", \"ATENA\"]\r\n```\r\nHowever, since `ATHENA` is still far away from the radar boundary, we may need to come up with an extender fix further to the east, just as what `IDUMA` is for `BEKOL`. Also the number of destinations may need to be expanded.\r\n\r\nAnother thing that will bring `VHHH` closer to reality is the flight altitude limit. For some reason I cannot issue a command to get a flight pass FL100. Per Hong Kong Regulations for the `OCEAN` SID in the game, the plane has to pass `TROUT` at or above FL140; for `BEKOL` SID the plane needs to pass `BEKOL` at or above FL150. Is there a away to change that?"},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/zlsa/atc/issues/comments/177092401","html_url":"https://github.com/zlsa/atc/issues/370#issuecomment-177092401","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/zlsa/atc/issues/370","id":177092401,"user":{"login":"siyuanr","id":15655087,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/15655087?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr","html_url":"https://github.com/siyuanr","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/siyuanr/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2016-01-30T07:23:59Z","updated_at":"2016-01-30T07:23:59Z","body":"Just incorporated all my proposals in #372. These are changes specific to `vhhh.json`. To do so I referred to the latest official charts [here](http://www.ais.gov.hk/HK_AIP/ad.htm). In short:\r\n\r\n- Fix `VH535` deleted because it is no longer used by [RNAV Approach 25R(z)](http://www.ais.gov.hk/HK_AIP/AIP/AD/HK_AD2-94G.pdf) or any other approaches;\r\n- Fix `VH721` added since it is used in [RNAV approach 7R](http://www.ais.gov.hk/HK_AIP/AIP/AD/HK_AD2-91E.pdf);\r\n- Fix `VH541` added to complement [RNAV approach 25L](http://www.ais.gov.hk/HK_AIP/AIP/AD/HK_AD2-92G.pdf);\r\n- Fixes `ATENA`, `BREAM`, `COLEY`, `PORPA`, `PORSH `, `ROBBE `, `ROVER`, `RAMEN`, `SHELY` added to construct new SIDs (once #324 is solved), among others [SID ATENA 1E/F](http://www.ais.gov.hk/HK_AIP/AIP/AD/HK_AD2-97%20ATENA%20EF.pdf), [SID LAKES 3A/C](http://www.ais.gov.hk/HK_AIP/AIP/AD/HK_AD2-97%20LAKES%20AC.pdf), and [SID TITAN 1E/F](http://www.ais.gov.hk/HK_AIP/AIP/AD/HK_AD2-97%20TITAN%20EF.pdf);\r\n- Fix `SILVA` added to complement [STAR CANTO 3A](http://www.ais.gov.hk/HK_AIP/AIP/AD/HK_AD2-98%20CANTO.pdf);\r\n- `abbey` preset arrival lengthened to include fix `TD`, because [both STAR ABBEY 3A/2B](http://www.ais.gov.hk/HK_AIP/AIP/AD/HK_AD2-98%20ABBEY.pdf) go to `TD`; 3A then travels the whole distance to `LIMES`, while 2B ends at `TD`;\r\n- `canto` preset arrival shortened to `MURRI`, because that is the last common fix between [STAR CANTO 3A](http://www.ais.gov.hk/HK_AIP/AIP/AD/HK_AD2-98%20CANTO.pdf) and [STAR CANTO 1G](http://www.ais.gov.hk/HK_AIP/AIP/AD/HK_AD2-98G.pdf).\r\n\r\nCould the map creator @Fechulo review these changes?\r\n\r\nFor the same reasons as `canto` arrival, I would also love to also shorten the `betty` arrival to `MANGO`, but unfortunately `MANGO` is outside of the radar. @Maverick283 and @erikquinn, is it possible then to have different preset arrivals with the same first (and maybe even second) fix? As you can see from the [general STAR chart](http://www.ais.gov.hk/HK_AIP/AIP/AD/HK_AD2-87.pdf), ideally we would like to have two sets of arrivals beginning with `BETTY` and `MURRI`. Will the planes crash outside of radar?"}}