{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/digling/tukano-project/issues/29","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/digling/tukano-project","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/digling/tukano-project/issues/29/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/digling/tukano-project/issues/29/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/digling/tukano-project/issues/29/events","html_url":"https://github.com/digling/tukano-project/issues/29","id":137259256,"number":29,"title":"languages with no surface tones available","user":{"login":"nataliacp","id":6968888,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/6968888?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp","html_url":"https://github.com/nataliacp","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/digling/tukano-project/labels/discussion","name":"discussion","color":"84b6eb"}],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"milestone":null,"comments":2,"created_at":"2016-02-29T13:46:26Z","updated_at":"2016-03-01T16:16:18Z","closed_at":null,"body":"I will try to summarize here all the issues regarding surface tones. Please let me know if I am missing anything.\r\n\r\n> The reason for Koreguaje and Carapana is very simple. The problem is not\r\nthat we don't agree on the surface tones, it's that the source just\r\nprovides no information whatsoever about prosody, so there is nothing to\r\nagree or disagree about.\r\n\r\nok, then my understanding is that the FUN forms for Koreguaje and Karapana will be lacking tones and the corresponding columns in the alignemnt will be empty. this can be interpreted afterwards as a ? (we have no tone information, but there is tone there) or ∅ (there is no tone associated with this TBU, the tone is lost), or it may remain unspecified if we can't even do that.\r\n\r\nIt seems that the same is true for Siona, DESano and TANimuka. We have no tone information whatsoever for those, right?\r\n\r\nFor Tuy, I understand that there will be surface tones but there will be an underrepresentation of them on the second mora. (is the unassociated one a floating one or another phenomenon?). I think a more detailed explanation for the Tuyuka case may help us decide how to better treat it.\r\n\r\nFor the Tukano problem, I think the solution is simple. Since the data are coming from Ramirez, we follow his analysis regarding underlying tones, unless you think it is impossible to work with. \r\n\r\nFor, Kubeo, yes @thiagochacon, we can try to add surface tones automatically based on underlying ones. maybe the best for that is to have a skype meeting the two of us (and probably Seb if possible) and discuss what are the rules. We can continue this discussion in the Kubeo thread."},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/digling/tukano-project/issues/comments/190789950","html_url":"https://github.com/digling/tukano-project/issues/29#issuecomment-190789950","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/digling/tukano-project/issues/29","id":190789950,"user":{"login":"nataliacp","id":6968888,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/6968888?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp","html_url":"https://github.com/nataliacp","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/nataliacp/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2016-03-01T16:16:18Z","updated_at":"2016-03-01T16:16:18Z","body":"great @thiagochacon, let's have a skype meeting soon to discuss automation of Kubeo and Tukano surface tones.\r\n\r\nI didn't understand which languages Wilson could provide tones for. I would suggest we ask both of them now to see if and when they can do it, because it is a hassle to modify drastically the entries after they have been imported. I would prefer to import without tones only the languages for which we have no hope to obtain tone (at least not within the next few months).\r\n\r\nAs for Tuyuka, I am really sorry, but I still don't understand. Maybe it is easier for this to be explained in a meeting? @gomezimb I am sorry but I didn't follow your post, and I don't see clearly how we can extract the surface tones from the way tones are annotated in the source in question. "}}