{"action":"created","issue":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/fisherman/fisherman/issues/83","repository_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/fisherman/fisherman","labels_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/fisherman/fisherman/issues/83/labels{/name}","comments_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/fisherman/fisherman/issues/83/comments","events_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/fisherman/fisherman/issues/83/events","html_url":"https://github.com/fisherman/fisherman/issues/83","id":132010948,"number":83,"title":"Do we really need a Code of Conduct?","user":{"login":"bucaran","id":8317250,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/8317250?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/bucaran","html_url":"https://github.com/bucaran","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bucaran/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bucaran/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bucaran/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bucaran/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bucaran/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bucaran/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bucaran/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bucaran/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/bucaran/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"labels":[{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/fisherman/fisherman/labels/DISCUSSION","name":"DISCUSSION","color":"333399"},{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/fisherman/fisherman/labels/QUESTION","name":"QUESTION","color":"FFE800"}],"state":"open","locked":false,"assignee":null,"milestone":null,"comments":30,"created_at":"2016-02-07T20:55:04Z","updated_at":"2016-02-10T01:05:52Z","closed_at":null,"body":"This issue is the result of a discussion I held on Reddit (_nolink_) and the following is a piece of my exchange with one of the users who shall remain anonymous:\r\n\r\nThe context is the following article:\r\n\r\n+ <http://dancerscode.com/blog/why-the-open-code-of-conduct-isnt-for-me/>\r\n\r\nLater, somewhere in the middle of the argument (whether a CoC is even healthy for the project or not) I asked:\r\n\r\n> **@bucaran**: Are you saying that I should consider {modify,adapt}ing the CoC to prevent future trouble? Thank you for pointing this out. I'll read the [article](http://dancerscode.com/blog/why-the-open-code-of-conduct-isnt-for-me/) now that I see what you mean. Do you have any tips?\r\n\r\n>**@reddit-user**: First, my opinion. And explicitly opinion. I do not think that code of conducts should exist. Anything not in the software license is irrelevant, long-term. As such, I would include something like the NoCoC to make the point explicit.\r\n\r\n> Secondly, tip. My opinion notwithstanding. Whatever you choose, look at it long and hard. If it could be argued that it would disallow things you wish to keep, it has problems. Ditto, if it includes anything that someone could not realize would fall under its domain, it has problems. Ditto, if it includes anything that is the case because someone says it is the case. (For instance, I could consider you insisting the sky is blue was harassment, which would make you in violation of your project's CoC.) Ditto, if it includes anything where it requires \"common sense\" to determine the scope and/or consequences, it has problems. (This is very much in line with the problems with discrimination against blacks in the US - laws were there but they were not enforced against black victims, or when they were they were with the minimum possible penalties.) In particular, look at anything subjective.\r\n\r\n> Your current CoC is such that you'll drive people away, in the sense of \"why should I sink time into writing a good bug report / pull request / etc. considering they say that my work is not judged on its merit?\".\r\n\r\nI want to include everyone, of course, and I love teaching others too, but I would always judge **your** work and opinion based on its merit / value and not on anything else.\r\n\r\nI would like to ask other folks what they think and whether we should simply remove Fisherman's [CoC](https://github.com/fisherman/fisherman/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md) **or** _keep_ it."},"comment":{"url":"https://api.github.com/repos/fisherman/fisherman/issues/comments/182154271","html_url":"https://github.com/fisherman/fisherman/issues/83#issuecomment-182154271","issue_url":"https://api.github.com/repos/fisherman/fisherman/issues/83","id":182154271,"user":{"login":"jrobeson","id":56908,"avatar_url":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/56908?v=3","gravatar_id":"","url":"https://api.github.com/users/jrobeson","html_url":"https://github.com/jrobeson","followers_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jrobeson/followers","following_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jrobeson/following{/other_user}","gists_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jrobeson/gists{/gist_id}","starred_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jrobeson/starred{/owner}{/repo}","subscriptions_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jrobeson/subscriptions","organizations_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jrobeson/orgs","repos_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jrobeson/repos","events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jrobeson/events{/privacy}","received_events_url":"https://api.github.com/users/jrobeson/received_events","type":"User","site_admin":false},"created_at":"2016-02-10T01:05:52Z","updated_at":"2016-02-10T01:05:52Z","body":"using usenet as any part of an argument proves the point. Usenet was a hive of scum and villainy."}}