And let me say again, Detroit is rearing to go on that. We differ on the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, as I have said. We differ on whether or not pollution controls ought to be voluntary. I don't think you can -- I don't think you can get results that way.

Can we draw the following conclusion?
Detroit has a low population

Pick your answer from:
 (1). Yes;
 (2). It's impossible to say;
 (3). No;
(2).