But I'll tell you that if it's their persistent position that they don't want to testify, then we'll go on the record -- now, I'm not going to put them on the witness stand. I don't think it's necessary to do that. I would bring you and the reporters, I will tell you, to the bar. I will swear them in, I will have them sworn in. I will ask you the question whether they're going to testify. I will allow them to speak for themselves on that point, and then we'll decide what we're going to do at that point.

Can we draw the following conclusion?
The individual in question will not testify.