Speaker A: I just forgot their name, so uh you're i sorry, I just forgot them all. So I have to write it down. So Do you know them or Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, but your b your surname. W_O_ da. Okay. Okay. And what's your name? W_I_E_S_ z Z_ or S_? Uh uh zee. Okay. What's your name? Yeah, but your surname. Your surname. Okay, thanks. Yeah, me too, so that's not No no no, I just fi first my So let's have a look, we have forty minutes, so it's it's more than enough. Okay, perfect. So we have Oh no, what's that? So so we have uh forty minutes for this uh for this second meeting, and we have to make uh sure that we going t that we are sure, that we are, that we know what we're going to make uh th what the product is going to like look like. Uh first I have the notes of the last meeting, so I showed uh show them to you. Oh, sorry about that, I just escape this one. How do I escape this? How do I I escape this s uh presentation? Ah okay. And show, sorry. Okay, so let's have a look s at this one. Okay, so the f the f the points we had last meeting was the um Should be a univ uh universal remote control No, that's I uh s I just got a email from the from the personal coach and it should be a T_V_ remote control only. So have you changed that part? Um so yeah, it still has to be uh f a r a remote control for kids and elderly. It's it's still the same. Um All these points uh we have to look at. You all know them. But uh there's another point. The um uh the main uh people of interest of this company are forty plus people. So they're old and not younger people. So we have to look at that as well. 'Specially old people, maybe bi bigger buttons or something, I dunno. Uh so So yeah, that's it, so just you can do your presentation for uh Oh it doesn't matter, just start with the I I didn't read i read it, so it's not for me, I didn't get it uh anyway. It's only for you. Yeah. The last point is quite an interesting So if we Yeah. Yeah, we should have the ten percent on the on the top, then you're you're So we have uh a new uh age of forty plus. People. So yeah, so we just can skip the L_C_D_ r on the remote control, because Yeah. It's too Okay. Because it's too expensive. Yeah, probably. So it has to look uh uh uh unique, but Yeah. But old people are not looking for that. Not really. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. So Paul, you can do the next one if you want. It's on the on the uh net net uh thing, isn't it? So what do you think of only the numbers and the on-off button or Okay. Yeah. Okay. Maybe i maybe it's too complicated, but not sure. It's a good idea, but Uh Uh mayb for me it's If I use my telephone, I never use those buttons to to to call sh Never. So And If I don't do it, maybe old people It's not, it's still not It's not anymore n uh Just on the front as well. No, that's the only th the only thing you need. Just very simple. Uh Yeah, I know what it is, but I think it's all too difficult for old people. And how do you want to uh do it, like if you have a channel above ten? Normally you can press one, zero or A ten plus or Okay. But do we still need a two level remote control? Because if we only have that l only f No. Yeah. Maybe it's still still a good idea, I'm not sure. You'll also have to use a mute button to to Maybe, not I don't know where where you have to put it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Does it have to be Uh it has to be uh with different colours or It's like a iMac or something. Just to make it But it looks cheap as well, because it's a small thing. It's only twenty five Euros. It looks very cheap if you make it Oh, you just I dunno what happened. Yeah, we have to look at mobile phones, that's right. Just Yeah. Yeah. Okay, we hurry up a bit, because otherwise we won't make it. Is it fin Are you finished? Okay. So we we also have to have a LED li LED light on it? Yeah, it's I think it's usable. Yeah. Or just a green one, because it's If you use it, it's green or the red, it's r green. Yeah, that's right. But if you Red's l shows up like something's wrong, and green is like it's okay, you press the button. Yeah, I know. Okay, we make it red. You have to The whole the whole uh remote control becomes uh green if you press the buttons. Uh that's cool. No, we have a recharger in it, so If we can still make that then But it's cool if it was green. Green or red or whatever, it is cool. I just say Can you s just say it again, because I was just looking There's just a short Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that's the LED, L_E_D_. Yeah, okay. So we can make the normal one also a normal light. Not a LED light, but as a normal one. To flash up your Yeah. Maybe you have to uh put uh a small light around the button you push. So you see green if you push that button. Yeah, but if you u if you do that, you know that you're uh sending a signal. And it's you also know which button you p Yeah, that's right. But it But does it make any difference for the energy you use? You got still one LED. That looks different, yeah. The same as a telephone, or a mobile phone, or what do you mean? If you push It lights up. Everything lights up. That's a good idea. It it only takes a l a little energy and it's not that much. It's f Yeah. Maybe that's a good idea for old people as well. It's only few LEDs. Only four or something. Four LED. Yeah, that's a good idea, okay. Everything agre Everyone agrees with that, or Okay. Yeah, and then you Okay, yeah. But you have to make a sound device in it then. But Yeah. Okay. Are you almost finished or just Okay. Okay. No worry. Yeah, I just want to talk some about some more. So maybe you have to Yeah? Okay. So this Oh, sorry. Wh what's that? So uh Oh, sorry. We have some new uh project requirements. We have to have a look what they are. They're still in um Uh teletext has become outdated since the popularity of internet. So a teletext option, maybe we have to skip that one. I'm not sure. I don't think so, but Yeah, and it's it's on your comp it's on your television. It's only one button. So I don't think it is We definitely should use it. Um Yeah, that's uh what I told you. The remote control should only be used for a television. So that's maybe easier. And um the the forty plus people, I already told you. Oh no, sorry. Oh, this is a problem. Oh sorry about that. The new product should reach a new market with customers are the younger than forty. So it should be flashy or just more interesting. I'm sorry about that. I just I just didn't read it well. So does it make some decision about that? That still stays. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, maybe we have to integrate that as well. If it's possible. But I don't think it's very expensive actually. Why should it? You only have a microphone in it. Nah, maybe Maybe maybe it's too hard to uh to realise that. It We have short time to to put it on the market, so that We have to do a lot of testing before we can do that. We make uh make uh, we can make th th the new remote control very flashy. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. So we have to make some decisions. So you can see on the uh So we have to know what we're going to put on. Do we, do we make uh a light under the under the n under the numbers and everything? Do If you press something, it lights up for a few seconds, so you can see what other but buttons there are, okay? Okay, we just take that one. And what else, we have Yeah, but it's Oh th I thought would, that that would be the same. If you push something, it it all lights up. Or you can switch it on or something. Yeah, that's right. You have to Yeah, that's right. That's what I said. It's the same as the telephone. Yeah. And do we use a a Uh what's it called? Like a iMac, if you can look through it. Or just a normal remote control. Yeah. Different colours. Okay, so y you just make it th through You look through it? Okay. And so the buttons we have, this is, yeah, this is normal. We put in the the simple buttons on the top, and probably the the the more complicated buttons down there. Yeah, maybe you have you have to Uh when you use teletec teletext, you can press a green or a red button to go to the next one, or to go to the previous one. O but maybe you can put um the g the options of teletext on the second level of the remote control. Because you ne almost never use it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. For me too, it is. So we just keep it one level then? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So that's it for toda for We're going to have a lunch lunch break. Um So yeah, you know what you have to do. This is uh this is it. You get your meal and everything, so Yeah. So, we're finished for t for this time. We're going to have some lunch. Yeah.
Speaker B: Okay. Fine. The names? For for for my sur um Jens. Uh Damman. D_ A_ W_. Uh uh M_ M_. I mean M_. Double M_. Oh. Sorry. Okay. Okay. Mm. Uh Okay. Well my name is Jens Damman, but we're in a group, and I I will start it. Wait. Um I've used a marketing report on uh the site. Uh I think you've uh read it too. Uh and uh f and furthermore I uh surfed the o the other site. You didn't read it? Oh okay, I I was the only one who get it. Okay it was uh uh uh um um a report about uh an experiment with uh a lot of users. And uh they had a lot of findings in their report uh with statistical uh uh uh thing uh with statistical uh proof. So I um I had three pages with findings and sev a lot of uh a lot of findings. So we can use this uh to uh create our own remote control. Uh seventy five percent of the users find uh most remote controls ugly. Yeah, I think uh uh that's a lot, so we have to make a beautiful remote control. Uh eighty percent of users would spend when uh a remote control will l uh look fancy. I think this fits uh at the uh what what uh Michael said about uh older people. Older people will uh spend more money uh for uh something uh uh what's good. Because younger people are more critical uh about uh uh where they spend their money money at. Uh seventy five percent uh seventy five percent of the users say they zap a lot. Well okay, that's uh normal. I think uh we we have to make uh good zap buttons. But that's one of our requirements. Yes, fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons. Um Martijn alr already said it. And uh maybe our uh fold open system is is a good one, but I don't think it's uh reachable. Yeah, the ten percent on the top, yeah. That that's a good one. Um uh page two. Remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room. That's exactly what we said about um maybe a home station for uh for it uh to uh recharge the batteries or something. Uh I thought mo maybe we could make a clap system, so when you clap your hands it will beep or something. Uh you must find it uh quickly. Okay, yeah. Yeah, we can uh combine that. Uh it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control. Uh I think we must t uh take a look at this. It's only uh th thirty four of the thirty four percent. But it's uh a tough one. Because if we make a ha whole new product, our own style, we we c uh this is so difficult, uh a difficulty I think. Uh next, remote controls are bad for R_S_I_. Yeah, but only if they zap a lot, and they watch over five hours T_V_ or something. I don't We we haven't Uh we mustn't look too much at uh the last point. Okay, last page. Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets, like uh speech recognition. We didn't uh think about that already. And uh an L_C_D_ on the remote control. We already thought about that. Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features. And but they're more critical. And older people uh want to spend uh more money. But uh they uh they don't want to uh have a lot of uh new features, because they're in their old uh thinking way. And they want to keep the old uh things the old things. But y But you but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh clients? I I think we can speak, uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly, because it's not reachable for twenty five Euros. Um then I have my personal uh preference. Okay, that's not very good, because I thought about television, D_V_D_ player, stereo and V_C_R_. I had a question about. But it's already out of the question, this. Um my point is, well, I If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television, I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros. But it's the exercise. Yeah, only only for television uh On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything. And we only make it for television, so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special. Okay, I told about the home station. Uh it must be simple, because uh our the the elderly people uh needs to use it. And I I found a motto. And we put the fashion in electronics. And that's uh the motto we are uh referenced to uh for our uh our style. We we have to make a a new product. We have to be um Yeah. One of a kind, I think. The company is about our uh th th their own fashion, their own style. Yeah, to k to keep it simple when you Sorry I thought about it, yes. Okay, this was uh my presentation. I don't Yeah. You can ask some questions or something. Mm-hmm. Um Forward. No. Uh It gets some seconds. Yeah, it's it's no it's not a It's what Paul says. It's not a remote control uh uh that um uh makes the T_V_ um do one two. It's the T_V_ who depends that it must be two seconds or three seconds or one second that you must uh type one or two. It's only for television now. No. Maybe we can give it out in different colours. You can choose blue or yellow or That's fa That's fancy. That's uh fashion. Okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's active. I I think it's in the case that it's active. It's not uh I it's it's just uh the the Mm. Yeah. Empty. Yeah. An automatically search function for each television, or something. Uh I kno Oh, I have a modern one. And the modern one you you uh you type uh search, and the LED began to blink blink blink. And uh uh uh after uh a short time the television turns off. And then you know, oh it it's the right one. And you can stop it, and then it's okay. So you don't have to search for your television or your code. It uh search uh the pattern for itself. Yes. Changing the signal. Yeah, that's the right uh option. Uh if you if you use the buttons, uh both of them works. But one you can't see and one indicates that you use a button. Yeah. Yeah, and Mm I think it's unnecessary power uh you use then. Okay. But then have to be on the in the all uh remote control have to be LEDs. Everywhere in the r Is LEDs uh beneath the the buttons? Yeah, okay. It must be around it then. Yeah, then Yeah. Not not not not here, but here. Maybe uh Okay. Yeah, I uh Yeah. Maybe what Paul said, uh under the on the on the home station, uh a button to uh to call your uh remote control, that it beeps. Yeah, there must be sound in it. I dunno. Mm uh, twenty five Euros, I think we can make it. Bec Twelve and a half, okay. But but we only have to make it for television, and um we must have something special. So Uh. We have to give our customers some extras. No. Uh. Okay. Changes. Uh L_C_D_ doesn't work for uh twelve and a half Euros I think. Oh. Oh, I'm watching uh the channel one. Okay. No, it's not But uh some of you had uh something to read about um uh speech uh recognition. About you said one and the television turns on one. Is that reachable maybe? That's very That's fancy. That's cool. Twelve and you've got twelve. Only the numbers, only numbers. Uh furthermore nothing. But only the numbers, one to twenty or something. That should be cool. If it's possible, I dunno. I didn't read it. Uh if i if i I didn't have information about that. Ah that's a problem, but Uh only in English. Only in English I think. No, that Yeah, then th we have to think about that. But do do we do it? It's more if we if we do it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, and uh and uh In uh indeed uh the languages are a difficult thing. Uh because we we have a lot of languages. Yeah. A uh someone says that uh give me one Coke, and the T_V_ turns uh to one. Yeah, it's not uh Okay, but th that becomes your f Uh uh because that's very hard for uh speech recognition. Mm-hmm. Okay, no speech recognition. Yeah. Yeah yeah, it it mustn't work all the time. It uh uh it have to work only when you use it. So if you No, if you use one button, it must turn uh on for twenty seconds, and then it must turn off. Oh yeah. A see-through. Mm, that's cool. But you have You had a lot of different buttons. No, I use te teletext every day, I think. Mm. Trendwatching. Okay. That's fine. Yo. Mm. Uh.
Speaker C: Uh Martijn. What? Uh Abbing. A_ B_ B_ I_ N_ G_. I was a little short on time, but What? Uh Just Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think the main thing is the usability, that's where we can uh make it a special product. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but then you have to remember what favourite is what channel. So you might as well remember the number. Or not? Yeah, okay. But um how can you remember what uh channel uh connects to what favourite button? Yeah? Yeah okay. But uh uh for a user to to remember, if I press that button it goes to that channel. Yeah, but isn't it hard to remember? Like favourite one and Mm as as hard as No, neither do I. Yeah, I dunno. Uh uh the p uh next and previous. Previous I know, but next channel? I don't thi Li like a web browser, so Oh, okay. But uh um there's also a button to uh go to the channel you've been before. Like a web browser back button. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah, w wouldn't it be a problem to uh Because you h have to be fast enough. Maybe the elderly people Oh okay. Yeah. Yeah, but that's th mm Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I think you ha really have to divide between functions you often use, like um uh m maybe uh switch channels and uh volume and k that kind of things, and uh the menu button. Because you n almost never use menu button. So Okay. Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, the working design. The method I used is uh search the web. Just the web page provided. Um Basically I'm I'm not very technical uh uh educated, but uh I could figure it out. Um basically what happens is you press a button, uh then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button, uh like a switch. And by closing that certain circuit, the chip knows uh what bu button is pressed. So like you press a one, that circuit is closed and uh Then the chip produces a pattern. Like a Morse code to uh And and sends that to the uh L_E_D_. That's the uh light emitting diode, I think. Um and the light emitting diode is uh producing infrared light. That's un uh invisible to the human eye. And uh transmit that uh to the T_V_. However it has also an uh a visible uh diode that's uh blinking red if you look in it. And that's uh another diode, I believe. Because infrared is not visible. So that's er uh do two different things but Yeah. I I think so. I I'm not sure if it's the same thing. Yeah. Yeah, when you press it. So Two? Yeah, I dunno. Ma on on most on most uh uh remote controls it's red. So So I know. I I think uh the batteries will be uh a little Yeah, okay. Uh maybe. Yeah. That it's working. That it's not not the batteries are low. Yeah, I know. Just to indicate it's working. And uh the receptor in the T_V_ senses the pattern. So we have to understand what patterns are used to, you know, to make it universal. So that it can be used with all the T_V_s. We have to really understand what patterns are used, so we can uh o On the Otherwise it won't work. No. I I uh The chip um uh is producing the pattern. So we have to make a chip that produces patterns to, y you know, to Yeah. That are working. Yeah, or I dunno how it's uh exactly how it works. It wasn't explained there. Yeah? Okay. Ah okay. Okay. Okay, yeah. So it uh We have to make a a s a bit more intelligent chip than the standard one. Because you have to Yeah. Uh okay. Well uh y you have this chip. That's uh when the circuit is closed, it produces the pattern. But uh ma basically for uh brands of T_V_ these patterns are different. So like when you press a one on one T_V_ it go go to one. And on the other T_V_ it won't work, basically. So uh basically what you have to do is uh get these patterns right. And uh by d uh that can be done by uh just uh cha yeah, changing this pattern all the time. And um What he's doing when he's configuring this pattern, this chip, uh is trying to switch off the television. And when it's uh switched off, you can push a button as uh it's working now, so And then he saves that setting and then um it's working. Okay. Well uh the components. Yeah, that's a bit technical, and I hadn't I w I was a little short on time. Um but I think I understand it. Um the energy source is uh the battery, basically. Um that's connecting to all the components. Because it has to be fed with energy. Okay. Uh the subcomponent is uh w I I think it is uh the button pressed. So basically when you press a button, a switch get closed. Um that's connecting to a chip. So the chip knows what button you pressed. And the chip sends out uh the pattern to the infrared bulb. I didn didn't put the description by this one. Th this is a normal bulb. So the normal flashing light. Yeah. Yeah, and this is a LED too. But this one is producing infrared light that's invisible. And this one is producing normal light. Yeah Yeah, presu Yeah yeah yeah. Because uh when you button press a button and it doesn't work, it can Basically if the battery is low, it won't work. So you have to indicate that it's Huh, that's a good idea. Hmm. Yeah, but mm like when you push it n n Yeah. You have your finger over the button. So you can see Yeah. Or or m maybe on top of the A green light is flashing or Yeah. There. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. We'll have enough power to Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. B maybe it's that that's a little too hard to make. Especially for that kind of money. Because it's i it has to be Yeah. Production cost is uh t uh twelve and a half. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. Yeah, the the personal preference, I didn't fill it out. Because I was short on time. But um Basically what we could do too is uh have a Bluetooth uh integration. Yeah? Okay. No, and I I think a lot of people use uh teletext, still use. Hmm. Oh. Mm. Yeah. That kinda changes the whole situation. Yeah. Mm ah I I don't y you'll use it often, because you can see on the television wh what channel you No. Yeah. I think you you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular. And uh then the usability is not that required, because the Like in the mobile phones, usability is not that good I think. I didn't read I didn't read any b Yeah. Yeah okay. I I know. Mm. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. But it has to work. And and and does it have to work only in English, or in Dutch too or And and uh w Yeah? Yeah, it's probably my job to figure that out, but And and do you have to speak in in like in a thing or Yeah, I dunno. Yeah, I think so. And and Yeah, and also if if you have a good speech uh speech recognition, you can just throw the uh the remote away. Mm. Hmm. Mm. Yeah, okay. But Hmm yeah, T_V_ one. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Mm, maybe it's a good idea. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah, but younger people I think um more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext. So uh Hmm. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker D: Paul Wiezer. Paul Wiezer. A_ E_ Z_ zee zee E_ R_. Uh. Yeah, same here. Uh let's see. Which one was mine? Good. Uh left. So Okay. Yeah, okay. Which one first? Okay. Functional requirements, yeah. No, I didn don't thing we got it. Yes. Uh. Maybe just a button on the home station. So remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station. Yeah. Yeah, but good usability, so you can use it. Unique. Yeah, I reckon Uh I think mm Uh Yeah. But uh we also have to stand out, 'cause there are already, like you said, so many controls out that support lot of stuff. But we have to make sure that we're better usability, and stand out by just looks of it. So make it just a different colour or different shape, so Okay. Yeah well Uh. There it is. Okay. Technical functions design. Okay, well, so we have s mm uh broad audience. Isn't that isn't true anymore. But um we have elderly people, so we need to keep it simple. Uh the way I want to keep it simple is to use the sen uh standard. So standardised uh methods like uh on all uh remote controls. Not too full, like uh Jens already said, only ten percent is being used. Yeah, I have it on the next page. But yes uh basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff. Um so the options that we put on there should be easy to use, and 'cause you have more room then, and for elderly people big buttons. Uh an icon on it or text on it, so it's very clear what that buttons does. So it doesn't take much time to figure out uh how to use it. Um a way to find out uh what people use is maybe just to use uh questionnaires on the internet or just ask some random people, elderly people what they use, what they want on a remote control to find out. But there is already in a one done. Of functions I could think of. Uh volume, channels, the the basic according to. Just one two three etcetera. Uh text service options. Um basic on-off. And I found an uh Could I think of favourites? I always look up the same um pages on text and always have to click the number. But if you could make a new option, that you just have to press one button and you get on your No y Well it's It was just a thought. So I'm, I u I would find it handy, I think, when you just press one button and you get on six six six. Well uh what I was reading on the page. Uh a remote control just sends commands, basics commands to uh the television. So switch to channel six. So uh button six says says six. And if you make favourites, it can say six six six in a row. Just numbers. That can be in the in the Well if you said a favourite Well i Never? Oh. Oh are you? Okay now, m maybe not. No, maybe elderly people uh. Right. They don't like new features. So maybe not. Um well play, pause. I dunno if that's usable when Not anymore for T_V_. Right, on off. I dunno, miss Did I miss any other buttons, basic buttons? I couldn't think of any other, 'specially not for T_V_. Is Just the channel um uh What I mean is uh Six seven eight or five. Um I dunno. I don't have Uh I did Yeah, I don't think you use that. Y only when you want to go to Yeah, just use uh when you wanna switch between channels all the time. Yeah, I think um f Especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons. So you have that uh Yeah, the ten plus button. Just uh one one pressing, or quickly after each other. To just keep it simple and standard uh features. Uh yeah mayb But I think that's in the T_V_ as well. That's how the uh the T_V_ T_V_ handles it. But you can have a button that says um two two st two stripes. So you have uh like a five seconds period to press those two buttons. So if you have a universal T_V_ controller, you needed one button that has two uh stripes. So we have a a period of, I dunno, five seconds to press those buttons, and that And not for elderly people to look, one two uh press and aim and So I I don't think so. Uh I just thought of another one. Most things in modern T_V_s are also on the menu. So you also need a menu button. And then uh navigation uh But we can integrate that with volume and previous and next, so you have four arrows. Yeah, okay, but um Yeah, a mute button. Yes. Don't think so. Yeah well, that's that's I think that's the layers that produce. Now I have to figure out what's uh what to put on. What we're gonna use. And later we can d uh do the design. Okay, uh now my personal preferences. Uh using the standards, basic Um I think that we should stand out uh unique, being unique with the design. So we have to, I dunno, uh make a different shape than usual. So when you are in the shop and you see our T_V_ controller hanging, that it stands out. Not just in in the row when you see all the same uh remote controls. Um I dunno. Different colours um Yeah. Well why not? Or Yeah. Well, maybe you can look at uh mobile phones. Oh. Who? They they're uh designed very well. And well basically are the same, just a bit smaller. You think you can't make a T_V_ controller too small, 'cause then you will always lo always lose it. But uh well, I think that's a good example. Okay, sorry. Well uh Yeah, I I'm finished. I think we discussed everything. Uh j Is Ain't it just to to indicate that it's transmitting? So Yeah. Maybe uh Maybe depends on uh Yes. But maybe Well we don't have to make it red. Maybe integrate it in the design as well. Uh Oh, maybe it's it is would an e No. Just uh Oh. Yeah, but it doesn't have to be red. It's just to indicate something's on. Yeah. It's it's not very important, so yeah. So mm So we have to uh make buttons for that as well, to make it uh Okay. Well, I I use a universal uh remote control, and list of all the T_V_s you have, etcetera. And you have to put in a number, so it works on your T_V_. Okay, so we use that. Yep. No, y Yeah. No I don't think so, but Yeah, i it it will look different, and I think we need to find something else. Yeah. 'Cause otherwise we will just make another standard, and our uh motto also is Yeah, w around the buttons, or in the buttons even. Yeah, then then won't Then you won't see it. Yeah, we're thinking about it. Uh on a mobile phone, in the dark uh everything lights up. Why ain't that on a remote control? Yeah, if uh a mobile phone a phone can do it, it's Yeah, i if you're in the dark, you can't see the remote. No, I dunno. But if we use a battery station, which I think we will use Yep. And also it's Okay, it shouldn't take much Uh I th I think uh you also have uh remote controls with a lot of options. But we lose about ninety percent of those options. So I think you can uh Yeah. I think we will save money with that. Yeah. Okay, that's It changes things. Um Well yeah, then we have to make some nice features. I think uh the thing in the dark is a good way, to make it more like a mobile phone. More modern. That's important I think and And I d I don't don't think it's very usable in a remote control, especially when you only have T_V_ functions on it. So Yeah, I tho I think that's not usable. So, but uh Yeah. What other features can we put in? It's very fashion. Mm. Mm. Yeah, I think it's What But uh I dunno how that works then. Uh does your uh Does it lie in the centre of the room and can you scream from wherever uh one to have in channel one? Yeah, I dunno. So, is it very usable? That's what I'm looking at. Is Mm Yeah well It's I d Yeah. I don't think it's uh useful enough to take the effort to design something with uh speech recognition. Yeah. Well yeah, that's the right command. And then you have to say uh T_V_ channel one, or something. Not just one, but Well I dunno. But I don't think, it just ain't useful enough. Yeah, I think so. Yep. Also the one in the dark. So uh It lights up when it's dark? I didn't Okay. Yeah, but um Yes, that's what I mean. Or maybe when you yeah. It lights up all. Okay yeah. D Yeah, alright. Yeah. Maybe just as an option, w like we discussed, like iPod. Different colours, uh maybe use even different fonts. Like uh phones. Yeah. Uh as an option maybe. It's the standard Yeah, uh Yeah, we but we don't We don't really have any complicated buttons. Yeah okay, but Yeah, well w I think the buttons are very easy. With just uh standard buttons we just have so little No, I don't need don't need Uh teletext options are only four buttons or something. I use teletext as well. Yeah yeah, one level. And I think, uh 'cause um we don't have that many buttons, I think the design is most important. You can d uh integrate the buttons in the design very much. 'Cause simple buttons. If you put one above it, it's clear. How long is lunch break? Okay. Bye.
I was a little short on time , Yeah , same here . we have uh forty minutes for this uh for this second meeting , and we have to make uh sure that we going t that we are sure , that we are , that we know what we're going to make uh th what the product is going to like look like . Uh first I have the notes of the last meeting , so I showed uh show them to you . the f the f the points we had last meeting was the um Should be a univ uh universal remote control I just got a email from the from the personal coach and it should be a T_V_ remote control only . it still has to be uh f a r a remote control for kids and elderly . All these points uh we have to look at . The um uh the main uh people of interest of this company are forty plus people . So we have to look at that as well . 'Specially old people , maybe bi bigger buttons or something , I've used a marketing report on uh the site . Uh I think you've uh read it too . Uh and uh f and furthermore I uh surfed the o the other site . I didn't get it uh anyway . I I was the only one who get it . it was uh uh uh um um a report about uh an experiment with uh a lot of users . And uh they had a lot of findings in their report uh with statistical uh uh uh thing uh with statistical uh proof . I um I had three pages with findings and sev a lot of uh a lot of findings . Uh seventy five percent of the users find uh most remote controls ugly . so we have to make a beautiful remote control . Uh eighty percent of users would spend when uh a remote control will l uh look fancy . Older people will uh spend more money uh for uh something uh uh what's good . Because younger people are more critical uh about uh uh where they spend their money money at . Uh seventy five percent uh seventy five percent of the users say they zap a lot . I think uh we we have to make uh good zap buttons . The last point is quite an interesting fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons . And uh maybe our uh fold open system is is a good one , we should have the ten percent on the on the top , Remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room . That's exactly what we said about um maybe a home station for uh for it uh to uh recharge the batteries or something . Uh I thought mo maybe we could make a clap system , so when you clap your hands it will beep or something . Uh you must find it uh quickly . Uh . Maybe just a button on the home station . So remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station . we can uh combine that . Uh it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control . Uh I think we must t uh take a look at this . It's only uh th thirty four of the thirty four percent . But it's uh a tough one . Uh next , remote controls are bad for R_S_I_ . Because if we make a ha whole new product , our own style , we we c uh this is so difficult , uh a difficulty I think . Yeah , but only if they zap a lot , and they watch over five hours T_V_ or something . Uh we mustn't look too much at uh the last point . Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets , like uh speech recognition . We didn't uh think about that already . And uh an L_C_D_ on the remote control . Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features . but they're more critical . And older people uh want to spend uh more money . we have uh a new uh age of forty plus . But y But you but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh clients ? so we just can skip the L_C_D_ r on the remote control , I I think we can speak , uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly , because it's not reachable for twenty five Euros . I have my personal uh preference . that's not very good , because I thought about television , D_V_D_ player , stereo and V_C_R_ . But it's already out of the question , this . Um my point is , well , I If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television , I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros . On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything . so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special . I told about the home station . Uh it must be simple , And I I found a motto . And we put the fashion in electronics . The company is about our uh th th their own fashion , their own style . But old people are not looking for that . I think the main thing is the usability , that's where we can uh make it a special product . 'cause there are already , like you said , so many controls out that support lot of stuff . But we have to make sure that we're better usability , So make it just a different colour or different shape , Technical functions design . But um we have elderly people , so we need to keep it simple . Uh the way I want to keep it simple is to use the sen uh standard . So standardised uh methods like uh on all uh remote controls . Not too full , like uh Jens already said , only ten percent is being used . what do you think of only the numbers and the on-off button or But yes uh basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff . the options that we put on there should be easy to use , and 'cause you have more room then , and for elderly people big buttons . Uh an icon on it or text on it , so it's very clear what that buttons does . Um a way to find out uh what people use is maybe just to use uh questionnaires on the internet Of functions I could think of . Uh volume , channels , the the basic according to . Just one two three etcetera . Uh text service options . Um basic on-off . Could I think of favourites ? I always look up the same um pages on text and always have to click the number . But if you could make a new option , that you just have to press one button but then you have to remember what favourite is what channel . So you might as well remember the number . Maybe i maybe it's too complicated , I would find it handy , I think , when you just press one button and you get on six six six . But um how can you remember what uh channel uh connects to what favourite button ? If I use my telephone , I never use those buttons to to to call If I don't do it , maybe old people They don't like new features . Right . play , pause . I dunno if that's usable miss Did I miss any other buttons , basic buttons ? that's the only th the only thing you need . Uh uh the p uh next and previous . Li like a web browser , Six seven eight or five . But uh um there's also a button to uh go to the channel you've been before . Like a web browser back button . but I think it's all too difficult for old people . just use uh when you wanna switch between channels all the time . I think um f Especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons . Yeah , the ten plus button . Just uh one one pressing , or quickly after each other . w wouldn't it be a problem to uh Because you h have to be fast enough . But I think that's in the T_V_ as well . That's how the uh the T_V_ T_V_ handles it . So you have uh like a five seconds period to press those two buttons . It's the T_V_ who depends that it must be two seconds or three seconds or one second that you must uh type one or two . So if you have a universal T_V_ controller , you needed one button that has two uh stripes . Most things in modern T_V_s are also on the menu . So you also need a menu button . And then uh navigation uh But we can integrate that with volume and previous and next , I I think you ha really have to divide between functions you often use , like um uh m maybe uh switch channels and uh volume and k that kind of things , and uh the menu button . Because you n almost never use menu button . Maybe it's still still a good idea , I'm not sure . You'll also have to use a mute button I don't know where where you have to put it . now my personal preferences . Uh using the standards , basic Um I think that we should stand out uh unique , being unique with the design . So we have to , I dunno , uh make a different shape than usual . Does it have to be Uh it has to be uh with different colours Maybe we can give it out in different colours . It's like a iMac or something . That's fa That's fancy . That's uh fashion . But it looks cheap as well , because it's a small thing . maybe you can look at uh mobile phones . They they're uh designed very well . You think you can't make a T_V_ controller too small , 'cause then you will always lo always lose it . But uh well , I think that's a good example . the working design . The method I used is uh search the web . Just the web page provided . Um basically what happens is you press a button , uh then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button , uh like a switch . And by closing that certain circuit , the chip knows uh what bu button is pressed . Then the chip produces a pattern . Like a Morse code And and sends that to the uh L_E_D_ . Um and the light emitting diode is uh producing infrared light . And uh transmit that uh to the T_V_ . we we also have to have a LED li LED light on it ? Ain't it just to to indicate that it's transmitting ? Red's l shows up like something's wrong , and green is like it's okay , on most uh uh remote controls it's red . The whole the whole uh remote control becomes uh green if you press the buttons . I I think uh the batteries will be uh a little we have a recharger in it , If we can still make that then It's just to indicate something's on . That it's working . And uh the receptor in the T_V_ senses the pattern . So we have to understand what patterns are used to , you know , to make it universal . So that it can be used with all the T_V_s . We have to really understand what patterns are used , Otherwise it won't work . we have to uh make buttons for that as well , The chip um uh is producing the pattern . So we have to make a chip that produces patterns to , y you know , to An automatically search function for each television , or something . I dunno how it's uh exactly how it works . I I use a universal uh remote control , And you have to put in a number , I have a modern one . And the modern one you you uh you type uh search , And uh uh uh after uh a short time the television turns off . And then you know , oh it it's the right one . We have to make a a s a bit more intelligent chip than the standard one . That's uh when the circuit is closed , it produces the pattern . But uh ma basically for uh brands of T_V_ these patterns are different . what you have to do is uh get these patterns right . What he's doing when he's configuring this pattern , this chip , uh is trying to switch off the television . And when it's uh switched off , you can push a button as uh it's working now , And then he saves that setting Um the energy source is uh the battery , basically . Um that's connecting to all the components . the subcomponent is uh w I I think it is uh the button pressed . when you press a button , a switch get closed . So the chip knows what button you pressed . And the chip sends out uh the pattern to the infrared bulb . So that's the LED , L_E_D_ . we can make the normal one also a normal light . Not a LED light , but as a normal one . Uh if you if you use the buttons , uh both of them works . Maybe you have to uh put uh a small light around the button you push . So you see green if you push that button . Mm I think it's unnecessary power uh you use then . But does it make any difference for the energy you use ? i it it will look different , Is LEDs uh beneath the the buttons ? Yeah , w around the buttons , or in the buttons even . The same as a telephone , or a mobile phone , or what do you mean ? It it only takes a l a little energy and it's not that much . Maybe that's a good idea for old people as well . It's only few LEDs . Only four or something . Four LED . But if we use a battery station , Yeah , that's a good idea , okay . Maybe what Paul said , uh under the on the on the home station , uh a button to uh to call your uh remote control , that it beeps . But you have to make a sound device in it then . maybe it's that that's a little too hard to make . Especially for that kind of money . twenty five Euros , I think we can make it . Production cost is uh t uh twelve and a half . But but we only have to make it for television , and um we must have something special . I think uh you also have uh remote controls with a lot of options . But we lose about ninety percent of those options . Uh . We have to give our customers some extras . the the personal preference , I didn't fill it out . Because I was short on time . Basically what we could do too is uh have a Bluetooth uh integration . We have some new uh project requirements . We have to have a look what they are . Uh teletext has become outdated since the popularity of internet . So a teletext option , maybe we have to skip that one . I'm not sure . I don't think so , and I I think a lot of people use uh teletext , still use . and it's it's on your comp it's on your television . It's only one button . We definitely should use it . Um The remote control should only be used for a television . And um the the forty plus people , I already told you . Oh , this is a problem . Oh sorry about that . The new product should reach a new market with customers are the younger than forty . So it should be flashy or just more interesting . that's It changes things . I just I just didn't read it well . That kinda changes the whole situation . then we have to make some nice features . I think uh the thing in the dark is a good way , to make it more like a mobile phone . More modern . L_C_D_ doesn't work for uh twelve and a half Euros I think . And I d I don't don't think it's very usable in a remote control , I I don't y you'll use it often , because you can see on the television wh what channel you I think you you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular . because the Like in the mobile phones , usability is not that good I think . But uh some of you had uh something to read about um uh speech uh recognition . Yeah , I tho I think that's not usable . That's very That's fancy . That's cool . Only the numbers , only numbers . Uh furthermore nothing . But only the numbers , one to twenty or something . Yeah , maybe we have to integrate that as well . If it's possible . I don't think it's very expensive actually . I didn't have information about that . And and and does it have to work only in English , or in Dutch too or that's a problem , Uh only in English . Only in English I think . it's probably my job to figure that out , Does it lie in the centre of the room and can you scream from wherever then th we have to think about that . Maybe maybe it's too hard to uh to realise that . We have short time to to put it on the market , In uh indeed uh the languages are a difficult thing . I don't think it's uh useful enough to take the effort to design something with uh speech recognition . A uh someone says that uh give me one Coke , and the T_V_ turns uh to one . And then you have to say uh T_V_ channel one , or something . Not just one , Okay , no speech recognition . Do we , do we make uh a light under the under the n under the numbers and everything ? Yeah , I think so . If you press something , it lights up for a few seconds , It lights up when it's dark ? If you push something , it it all lights up . it it mustn't work all the time . It uh uh it have to work only when you use it . if you use one button , it must turn uh on for twenty seconds , and then it must turn off . It's the same as the telephone . Yeah . Different colours , uh maybe use even different fonts . so y you just make it th through You look through it ? Uh when you use teletec teletext , you can press a green or a red button to go to the next one , or to go to the previous one . but maybe you can put um the g the options of teletext on the second level of the remote control . Uh teletext options are only four buttons or something . Because you ne almost never use it . but younger people I think um more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext . I use te teletext every day , I think . And I think , uh 'cause um we don't have that many buttons , we just keep it one level then ? We're going to have a lunch lunch break . Um you know what you have to do . Trendwatching . we're finished for t for this time .