i just forgot their name so you are i sorry i just forgot them all so i have to write it down okay so fine do you know them or the names yeah for for for my sur jens yeah yeah no but your b your surname damman d a w w 0 da m m okay i mean m double m okay and what is your name paul wiezer paul wiezer w i e s z z or s a e z zee zee zee e r okay what is your name martijn yeah but your surname what your surname abbing a b b i n g okay thanks i was a little short on time but yeah me too so that is not no no no i just fi 1st my yeah same here 0 sorry let us see which one was mine so let us have a look we have 40 minutes so it is it is more than enough okay perfect so we have 0 no what is that so so we have 40 minutes for this for this 2nd meeting and we have to make sure that we going t that we are sure that we are good that we know what we are going to make th what the product is going to like look like 1st i have the notes of the last meeting so i showed show them to you 0 sorry about that i just escape this one how do i escape this what how do i i escape this s presentation left ah okay just yeah so and show sorry okay so let us have a look s at this one okay so the f the f the points we had last meeting was the should be a univ universal remote control no that is i s i just got a email from the from the personal coach and it should be a t v remote control only so have you changed that part okay okay so yeah it still has to be f a r a remote control for kids and elderly it is it is still the same all these points we have to look at you all know them but there is another point the the main people of interest of this company are 40 plus people so they are old and not younger people so we have to look at that as well specially old people maybe bi bigger buttons or something i dunno yeah okay so so yeah that is it so just you can do your presentation for which 11st okay 0 it does not matter just start with the okay functional requirements yeah okay well my name is jens damman but we are in a group and i i will start it wait i have used a marketing report on the site i think you have read it too and f and furthermore i surfed the 0 the other site i i did not read i read it so it is not for me i did not get it anyway you did not read it no i didn do not thing we got it 0 okay i i was the only one who get it it is only for you yeah yes okay it was a report about an experiment with a lot of users and they had a lot of findings in their report with statistical thing with statistical proof so i i had 3 pages with findings and sev a lot of a lot of findings so we can use this to create our own remote control 75% of the users find most remote controls ugly yeah i think that is a lot so we have to make a beautiful remote control 80% of users would spend when a remote control will l look fancy i think this fits at the what what michael said about older people older people will spend more money for something what is good because younger people are more critical about where they spend their money money at 75% 75% of the users say they zap a lot well okay that is normal i think we we have to make good zap buttons but that is one of our requirements the last point is quite an interesting yes 50% of users say they only use 10% of the buttons martijn alr already said it so if we yeah and maybe our fold open system is is a good one but i do not think it is yeah we should have the 10% on the on the top then you are you are reachable yeah the 10% on the top yeah yeah that that is a good one page 2 remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room that is exactly what we said about maybe a home station for for it to recharge the batteries or something i thought mo maybe we could make a clap system so when you clap your hands it will beep or something you must find it quickly maybe just a button on the home station so remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station okay yeah yeah we can combine that it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control i think we must t take a look at this it is only th 34 of the 34% but it is a tough one because if we make a ha whole new product our own style we we c this is so difficult a difficulty i think next remote controls are bad for r s i yeah but only if they zap a lot and they watch over 5 hours t v or something i do not we we have not we must not look too much at the last point okay last page the last experiment was about gadgets like speech recognition we did not think about that already and an l c d on the remote control we already thought about that they finally had a conclusion that younger people under an age of f 45 are more interested in new features and but they are more critical and older people want to spend more money but they they do not want to have a lot of new features because they are in their old thinking way and they want to keep the old things the old things so we have a new age of 40 plus but y but you but you already said that the company was about 40 plus clients people so yeah so we just can skip the l c d r on the remote control because i i think we can speak we can skip speech recognition directly because it is not reachable for €25 yeah yeah it is too okay yeah then i have my personal preference okay that is not very good because i thought about television d v d player stereo and v c r i had a question about but it is already out of the question this my point is well i if we ma make a a remote control for only television i think it is hard to sell it for €25 but it is the exercise because it is too expensive yeah only only for television on the market you can now buy for €20 a remote control for everything yeah probably and we only make it for television so we mi we m must made it make it very special yeah but good usability so you can use it okay i told about the home station it must be simple because our the the elderly people needs to use it and i i found a motto and we put the fashion in electronics and that is the motto we are referenced to for our our style we we have to make a a new product we have to be yeah one of a kind i think so it has to look unique but unique the company is about our th th their own fashion their own style yeah i reckon yeah but old people are not looking for that i think not really yeah i think the main thing is the usability that is where we can make it a special product yeah yeah to k to keep it simple when you sorry i thought about it yes okay yeah but we also have to stand out cause there are already like you said so many controls out that support lot of stuff yeah but we have to make sure that we are better usability and stand out by just looks of it so make it just a different color or different shape so yeah okay okay this was my presentation thanks okay i do not yeah so paul you can do the next one if you want you can ask some questions or something okay yeah well it is on the on the net net thing is not it there it is okay technical functions design okay well so we have s broad audience is not that is not true anymore but we have elderly people so we need to keep it simple the way i want to keep it simple is to use the senator standard so standardized methods like on all remote controls not too full like jens already said only 10% is being used so what do you think of only the numbers and the on off button or yeah i have it on the next page but yes basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff okay so the options that we put on there should be easy to use and cause you have more room then and for elderly people big buttons an icon on it or text on it so it is very clear what that buttons does so it does not take much time to figure out how to use it a way to find out what people use is maybe just to use questionnaires on the internet or just ask some random people elderly people what they use what they want on a remote control yeah to find out but there is already in a one done of functions i could think of volume channels the the basic according to just 123 etcetera text service options basic on off and i found an could i think of favorites i always look up the same pages on text and always have to click the number okay but if you could make a new option that you just have to press one button and you get on your yeah but then you have to remember what favorite is what channel so you might as well remember the number or not no y maybe i maybe it is too complicated but not sure well it is it was just a thought it is a good idea but so i am i u i would find it handy i think when you just press one button and you get on 666 yeah okay but how can you remember what channel connects to what favorite button well what i was reading on the page a remote control just sends commands basics commands to the television so switch to channel 6 yeah so button 6 says says 6 and if you make favorites it can say 666 in a row just numbers that can be in the in the yeah okay but for a user to to remember if i press that button it goes to that channel well if you said a favorite yeah but is not it hard to remember like favorite one and mayb for me it is if i use my telephone i never use those buttons to to to call sh never well i as as hard as never no neither do i 0 0 are you so and okay now m maybe not if i do not do it maybe old people no maybe elderly people yeah i dunno right they do not like new features so maybe not well play pause i dunno if that is usable when it is not it is still not it is not anymore n not anymore for t v right on off i dunno miss did i miss any other buttons basic buttons i could not think of any other specially not for t v just on the front as well no that is the only th the only thing you need is the p next and previous previous i know but next channel just the channel what i mean is i do not thi forward li like a web browser so 0 okay 678 or 5 just very simple but there is also a button to go to the channel you have been before like a web browser back button i dunno yeah i know what it is but i think it is all too difficult for old people i do not have i did no yeah i do not think you use that yeah okay y only when you want to go to yeah just use when you want to switch between channels all the time and how do you want to do it like if you have a channel above 10 yeah normally you can press 10 or yeah i think f especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons so you have that a 10 plus or yeah the 10 plus button just 11 pressing or quickly after each other okay to just keep it simple and standard features yeah w would not it be a problem to because you h have to be fast enough maybe the elderly people yeah mayb but i think that is in the t v as well it gets some seconds that is how the the t v t v handles it but you can have a button that says 22 saint 2 stripes yeah it is it is no it is not a 0 okay yeah so you have like a 5 seconds period to press those 2 buttons yeah but that is th it is what paul says it is not a remote control that makes the t v do 12 it is the t v who depends that it must be 2 seconds or 3 seconds or 12nd that you must type one or 2 okay so if you have a universal t v controller you needed one button that has 2 stripes yeah yeah so we have a a period of i dunno 5 seconds to press those buttons and that and not for elderly people to look 12 press and aim and yeah but do we still need a 2 level remote control because if we only have that l only f no it is only for television now so i i do not think so no i just thought of another one most things in modern t v s are also on the menu yeah so you also need a menu button and then navigation but we can integrate that with volume and previous and next so you have yeah i i think you ha really have to divide between functions you often use 4 arrows like m maybe switch channels and volume and k that kind of things and the menu button because you n almost never use menu button yeah okay but so maybe it is still still a good idea i am not sure you will also have to use a mute button to to yeah a mute button yes maybe not i do not know where where you have to put it do not think so yeah well that is that is i think that is the layers that produce now i have to figure out what is what to put on okay what we are going to use yeah yeah okay that is right and later we can d do the design okay now my personal preferences using the standards basic i think that we should stand out unique being unique with the design so we have to i dunno make a different shape than usual so when you are in the shop and you see our t v controller hanging that it stands out not just in in the row when you see all the same remote controls yeah does it have to be it has to be with different colors or i dunno different colors maybe we can give it out in different colors you can choose blue or yellow or it is like a imac or something just to make it yeah well why not or yeah that is fa that is fancy that is fashion but it looks cheap as well because it is a small thing it is only €25 it looks very cheap if you make it well maybe you can look at mobile phones 0 you just i dunno what happened 0 who yeah we have to look at mobile phones that is right they they are designed very well just and well basically are the same just a bit smaller yeah you think you can not make a t v controller too small cause then you will always lo always lose it yeah but well i think that is a good example okay okay we hurry up a bit because otherwise we will not make it okay sorry is it fin are you finished well yeah i i am finished okay i think we discussed everything okay well the working design the method i used is search the web just the web page provided basically i am i am not very technical educated but i could figure it out basically what happens is you press a button then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button like a switch and by closing that certain circuit the chip knows what bu button is pressed so like you press a one that circuit is closed and then the chip produces a pattern like a morse code to and and sends that to the l e d that is the light emitting diode i think and the light emitting diode is producing infrared light that is un invisible to the human eye and transmit that to the t v however it has also an a visible diode that is blinking red if you look in it and that is another diode i believe because infrared is not visible so that is er do 2 different things but so we we also have to have a led li led light on it yeah i i think so j is aint it just to to indicate that it is transmitting i i am not sure if it is the same thing yeah it is i think it is usable yeah that is active yeah yeah so or just a green one because it is if you use it it is green or the red it is r green yeah maybe i i think it is in the case that it is active it is not yeah when you press it yeah that is right but if you so i it is it is just the the 2 red is l shows up like something is wrong and green is like it is okay you press the button yeah i dunno maybe depends on ma on on most on most remote controls it is red yeah i know so yes yeah okay we make it red so i know but maybe well we do not have to make it red maybe integrate it in the design as well you have to the whole the whole remote control becomes green if you press the buttons i i think the batteries will be a little yeah okay that is cool 0 maybe it is it is would an e no empty just no we have a recharger in it so 0 maybe if we can still make that then yeah but it does not have to be red it is just to indicate something is on yeah yeah that it is working that it is not not the batteries are low yeah but it is cool if it was green it is it is not very important so yeah green or red or whatever it is cool yeah i know just to indicate it is working so and the receptor in the t v senses the pattern so we have to understand what patterns are used to you know to make it universal so that it can be used with all the t v s we have to really understand what patterns are used so we can 0 on the otherwise it will not work so we have to make buttons for that as well to make it no i i the chip is producing the pattern so we have to make a chip that produces patterns to y you know to yeah okay an automatically search function for each television or something that are working yeah or i dunno how it is exactly how it works it was not explained there well i i use a universal remote control and list of all the t v s you have etcetera i kno and you have to put in a number so it works on your t v yeah okay 0 i have a modern one and the modern one you you you type search and the led began to blink blink blink and after a short time the television turns off and then you know 0 it it is the right one and you can stop it and then it is okay ah okay so you do not have to search for your television or your code okay it search the pattern for itself okay yeah okay so we use that so it we have to make a a s a bit more intelligent chip than the standard one yes because you have to yeah yep i just say can you s just say it again because i was just looking there is just a short okay well y you have this chip yeah that is when the circuit is closed it produces the pattern but ma basically for brands of t v these patterns are different so like when you press a one on one t v it go go to one and on the other t v it will not work basically so basically what you have to do is get these patterns right yeah and by d that can be done by just cha yeah changing this pattern all the time changing the signal and what he is doing when he is configuring this pattern this chip is trying to switch off the television and when it is switched off you can push a button as it is working now so and then he saves that setting and then it is working okay yeah yeah that is the right option okay well the components yeah that is a bit technical and i had not i w i was a little short on time but i think i understand it the energy source is the battery basically yeah that is connecting to all the components because it has to be fed with energy okay the subcomponent is w i i think it is the button pressed so basically when you press a button a switch get closed that is connecting to a chip so the chip knows what button you pressed and the chip sends out the pattern to the infrared bulb i didn did not put the description by this one th this is a normal bulb so the normal flashing light okay so that is the led l e d yeah yeah and this is a led too but this one is producing infrared light that is invisible yeah okay and this one is producing normal light so we can make the normal one also a normal light not a led light but as a normal one yeah to flash up your if you if you use the buttons both of them works but one you can not see and one indicates that you use a button yeah yeah presu yeah yeah yeah because when you button press a button and it does not work it can basically if the battery is low it will not work yeah yeah and so you have to indicate that it is maybe you have to put a small light around the button you push so you see green if you push that button huh that is a good idea i think it is unnecessary power you use then yeah but if you u if you do that you know that you are sending a signal no y yeah okay and it is you also know which button you p but then have to be on the in the all remote control have to be leds yeah that is right but it everywhere in the r but does it make any difference for the energy you use you got still one led no i do not think so but yeah i it it will look different and i think we need to find something else that looks different yeah yeah cause otherwise we will just make another standard and our motto also is is leds beneath the the buttons yeah w around the buttons or in the buttons even yeah okay yeah but like when you push it n n yeah yeah then then will not then you will not see it you have your finger over the button so you can see yeah it must be around it then or or m maybe on top of the a green light is flashing or yeah then yeah not not not not here but here yeah there yeah maybe the same as a telephone or a mobile phone or what do you mean yeah we are thinking about it on a mobile phone in the dark if you push it lights up everything lights up everything lights up that is a good idea yeah why aint that on a remote control it it only takes a l a little energy and it is not that much yeah if a mobile phone a phone can do it it is okay yeah it is f yeah maybe that is a good idea for old people as well yeah i if you are in the dark you can not see the remote it is only few leds yeah only 4 or something 4 led no i dunno but if we use a battery station which i think we will use yeah i yeah that is a good idea okay yeah we will have enough power to everything agre everyone agrees with that or okay yeah yeah yep maybe what paul said under the on the on the home station a button to to call your remote control that it beeps yeah and then you okay yeah and also it is but you have to make a sound device in it then yeah there must be sound in it but yeah okay it should not take much i dunno yeah b maybe it is that that is a little too hard to make especially for that kind of money because it is i it has to be yeah €25 i think we can make it i th production cost is t 125 bec 125 okay but but we only have to make it for television and we must have something special yeah okay i think you also have remote controls with a lot of options so but we lose about 90% of those options so i think you can we have to give our customers some extras yeah yeah okay i think we will save money with that okay are you almost finished or just yeah the the personal preference i did not fill it out because i was short on time okay okay no worry but basically what we could do too is have a bluetooth integration yeah i just want to talk some about some more so maybe you have to yeah yeah okay okay so this 0 sorry wh what is that so 0 sorry we have some new project requirements we have to have a look what they are they are still in teletext has become outdated since the popularity of internet so a teletext option maybe we have to skip that one i am not sure i do not think so but no and i i think a lot of people use teletext still use no yeah and it is it is on your comp it is on your television it is only one button so i do not think it is we definitely should use it yeah yeah that is what i told you the remote control should only be used for a television so that is maybe easier and the the 40 plus people i already told you 0 no sorry 0 this is a problem 0 sorry about that the new product should reach a new market with customers are the younger than 40 so it should be flashy or just more interesting okay 0 okay that is it changes things i am sorry about that i just i just did not read it well so does it make some decision about that changes yeah that kinda changes the whole situation well yeah then we have to make some nice features i think the thing in the dark is a good way to make it more like a mobile phone that still stays yeah more modern yeah that is important i think and l c d does not work for €125 i think and i d i do not do not think it is very usable in a remote control especially when you only have t v functions on it 0 yeah ah i i do not y you will use it often because you can see on the television wh what channel you so 0 i am watching the channel one okay yeah i tho i think that is not usable no it is not no so but yeah what other features can we put in yeah i think you you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular and then the usability is not that required because the like in the mobile phones usability is not that good i think but some of you had something to read about speech recognition about you said one and the television turns on one is that reachable maybe that is very that is fancy i did not read that is cool it is very fashion i did not read any b yeah 12 and you have got 12 yeah okay only the numbers only numbers i i know furthermore nothing but only the numbers one to 20 or something that should be cool yeah maybe we have to integrate that as well if it is possible if it is possible i dunno but yeah i do not know i did not read it i do not think it is very expensive actually why should it if i if i i did not have information about that yeah i think it is you only have a microphone in it yeah but it has to work and and and does it have to work only in english or in dutch too or nah maybe ah that is a problem but and and w yeah only in english what but i dunno how that works then only in english i think does your does it lie in the center of the room and can you scream from wherever yeah it is probably my job to figure that out but no that one to have in channel one yeah then th we have to think about that but do do we do it it is more if we if we do it yeah i dunno so is it very usable that is what i am looking at and and do you have to speak in in like in a thing or yeah is maybe maybe it is too hard to to realize that it we have short time to to put it on the market so that yeah i dunno okay yeah well we have to do a lot of testing before we can do that yeah i think so we make make we can make th th the new remote control very flashy yeah and and it is in indeed the languages are a difficult thing because we we have a lot of languages i d yeah yeah i do not think it is useful enough to take the effort to design something with speech recognition and and yeah and also if if you have a good speech speech recognition you can just throw the yeah i think so yeah a someone says that give me one coke and the t v turns to one the remote away yeah it is not yeah yeah okay well yeah that is the right command and then you have to say t v channel one or something but yeah not just one but t v one okay but th that becomes your f because that is very hard for speech recognition well i dunno yeah but i do not think it just aint useful enough so we have to make some decisions so you can see on the so we have to know what we are going to put on okay no speech recognition do we do we make a light under the under the n under the numbers and everything yeah i think so do if you press something it lights up for a few seconds so you can see what other but buttons there are okay yeah that is good yep okay we just take that one and what else we have also the one in the dark so it lights up when it is dark yeah but it is 0 th i thought would that that would be the same i did not if you push something it it all lights up okay yeah yeah yeah it it must not work all the time yeah but yes that is what i mean it it have to work only when you use it so if you no if you use one button it must turn on for 20 seconds and then it must turn off or you can switch it on or something or maybe when you yeah it lights up all yeah that is right you have to yeah that is right that is what i said okay yeah it is the same as the telephone d yeah alright yeah yeah and do we use a a what is it called like a imac if you can look through it or just a normal remote control maybe just as an option w like we discussed like ipod maybe it is a good idea different colors maybe use even different fonts yeah 0 yeah like phones different colors okay so y you just make it th through you look through it a see through that is cool yeah as an option maybe okay and so the buttons we have this is yeah this is normal we put in the the simple buttons on the top and probably the the the more complicated buttons down there it is the standard yeah but you have you had a lot of different buttons yeah we but we do not we do not really have any complicated buttons yeah maybe you have you have to when you use teletec teletext you can press a green or a red button to go to the next one or to go to the previous one yeah okay but yeah well w i think the buttons are very easy with just standard buttons we just have so little 0 but maybe you can put the g the options of teletext on the 2nd level of the remote control no i do not need do not need teletext options are only 4 buttons or something because you ne almost never use it yeah but younger people i think more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext yeah that is right so i use teletext as well no i use te teletext every day i think okay yeah for me too it is so we just keep it one level then yeah yeah one level okay and i think cause we do not have that many buttons i think the design is most important yeah you can d integrate the buttons in the design very much yeah cause simple buttons if you put one above it it is clear okay okay so that is it for toda for we are going to have a lunch lunch break how long is lunch break so yeah you know what you have to do this is this is it you get your meal and everything so trendwatching okay yeah that is fine yo so we are finished for t for this time we are going to have some lunch okay bye yeah yeah
i am i just forgot their name so you are sorry you just forgot them all so let us write it down okay so fine do you know them or the names yeah for m yeah yeah i know but you are it is your name 0 domon day a w w 0 d 000 okay and what is your name paul w w i e z z z z 0 z e z okay what is your name martine yeah but it is your name abbing a b b i n g okay thanks i was a little short on time yeah me too so yeah same no no no just 1st my 0 sorry so let us have a look with 40 minutes so it is more than enough so we have 40 minutes for this meeting and we have that we have so we have 40 minutes for this for the 2nd meeting and we have to make sure that we are that we are that we know what they are going to make what the product is going to look like 1st i have the notes of the last meeting last meeting so i show to show them to you i will just escape this one how do you escape this what how do i escape this is the presentation let us just see and show sorry okay so have a look at this one okay so the points we had last meeting was the should be a universal universal remote control now that is i just got an email from the from the personal coach and it should be a tv remote control only so have you changed that part okay so yeah it still has to be a remote control for kids and ellie that is still the same are these points we have to look at you all know them but there is another point the main people of interest of this company are 40 plus people so they are old and not younger people you have to look at that as well especially old people maybe big bigger buttons or something i do not know yeah so so yeah that is it so can do your presentation for which 11st okay 0 it does not just start with it okay well my name is jens damman but we are in the group i have used the marketing report on the site i think you have read it too and furthermore i served as the other side i did not read it so it is not for me i did not get it i was the only one who got it okay it was a a report about an experiment with a lot of users and they had a lot of findings in their report with statistical proof so i have 3 pages with findings and a lot of findings so we can use this to create our own remote control 75% of the users find most remote controls ugly yeah i think that is a lot so we have to make a beautiful remote control 80% of the users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy i think this fits at the what michil said about older people older people will spend more money for something what is good because younger people are more critical about where they spent their money at 75 persons 75% of the users said they sap a lot well okay that is normal i think we have to make a good zap buttons but that is one of our requirements the last point is quite interesting yes 50% of users say they only use 10% of the buttons martina always said it and maybe our full open system is a good one but i do not think it is a reach yeah if you have the 10% on the top then you are yeah the 10% on the top yeah that is a good one page 2 remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room that is exactly what we said about maybe a home station for it to recharge the batteries or something i thought maybe we could make a clap system so when you clap in your hands it will beep or something you must find it quickly maybe just a button on the home station so remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station okay yeah we can combine that it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control i think we must take a look at this it is only 34% but it is a tough one because if we make a whole new product or own style this is so difficult a difficulty i think next remote controls are bad for airsie yeah but only if they zap a lot and they watch over 5 hours tv or something i do not we have not we must not look too much at the last point okay last page the last experiment was about gadgets like speech recognition we did not think about that already and an lcd on the remote control we already told about that they finally had a conclusion that younger people under an age of 45 are more interested in new features and but they are more critical and older people want to spend more money but they they do not want to have a lot of new features because they are in their old thinking way and they want to keep the old things the old things so we have a new age 40 plus did you already said that the company was about 40 plus clients yeah so we just can skip the lcd on the remote control we can speak we can skip speech recognition directly because it is not reachable for €25 then i have my personal preference okay that is not very good because i thought about television dvd play stereo and vcr i had a question about but it is already out of the question this my point is well if we may make a remote control for only television i think it is hard to sell it for €25 but it is the exercise because it is too expensive yeah only for television on the market you can now buy for €20 a remote control for everything and we only make it for television so we must make it very special yeah good usability so you can use it okay i told about the home station it must be simple because the elderly people needs to use it and i found the motto and we put the fashion in electronics and that is the motto we are referenced to for our our style we have to make a new product we have to be yeah wonderful kind so it has to look unique the companies about our their own fashion their own style but old people are not looking for that well i think not really i think the main thing is the usability that is when we can make it a special product to keep it simple in the other side we also have to stand out because there are already like you said so many controls out that support a lot of stuff but we have to make sure that we are better in usability and stand out by just looks at it so make it just a different color or different shape okay okay this was my presentation so paul you can do this one as 1st it is on the net thing okay technical functions design okay so we have we have broad audience that is not true anymore but we have elderly people so we need to keep it simple the way i want to keep it simple is to use the standards so standardized methods like on all remote controls not to full like you already said only 10% is being used so what do you think of only the numbers and the on off button yeah i have to do the next page but yes basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff so the option is that we put on there should be easy to use and cause you have more room then and for other people big buttons an icon on it or text on it so it is very clear what that button does so it does not take much time to figure out how to use it a way to find out what people use maybe just use questionnaires on the internet or just ask some random people elderly people what they use what they want on a remote control to find out but there was already in when done functions i could think of volume channels the basic i call it a numpad just 123 etc text service options basic on off and i found in could i think of favorites i always look up the same pages on text and always have to click the number but if you could make a new option that you just have to place one button and you get on your yeah but then you have to remember what favorite is what channel so you might as well remember number or not maybe it is too complicated i am not sure it is a good idea it was justified so i am i would find it handy i think when you just press one button and you get on 666 yeah okay but how can you remember what channel connects to what favorite but i was reading on the page and writing full just sends commands basic commands to television so switch to channel 6 yeah so a button 6 says 6 and if you make favorites it can say 666 in a row just numbers yeah okay but for a user to to remember if i press that button it goes to that channel well if you set a favorite yeah but is not it hard to remember like favorite one and maybe for me if i use my telephone i never use those buttons to do to too caution no neither do i okay no maybe not if i do not do it maybe old people no maybe i will repeat it yeah i do not know they do not like new features so maybe not well play pause i do not know if it is usable it is not anymore not anymore for tv right on off i do not know did i miss any other buttons basic buttons i could not think of any other of any other especially not for tv just on the front as well no that is the only thing you need the next and previous previous i know but next channel just the channel what i mean is like a web browser 0 okay but there is also a button to go to the channel you have been before like a web browser back button i do not have yeah i know what it is but i think it is all too difficult for all people yeah only when you want to go to just use when you want to switch between channels all the time now do you want to do it like if you have a channel above 10 normally you can press 10 or especially for other people use standard buttons so you have that the 10 plus or yeah the 10 plus button just 11 pressing or quickly after each other okay to just keep simple and standard features yeah would not it be a problem to because you have to be fast enough maybe the elderly people yeah maybe but i think that is in the tv as well that is how the tv handles it but you can have a button that says 2 it is not so you have like a 5 seconds period to press those 2 buttons and what paul says it is not a remote control that makes the tv do 12 it is the tv who depends that it must be 2 seconds or 3 seconds or 12nd that you must type one so if you have a universal tv controller you need that one button that has 2 stripes so we have a period of i do not know 5 seconds to press those buttons and enough for elderly people to look one to press and aim but do we still need the 2 level remote control because if you only have it is only for television now so i do not think so no i just thought of another one most things in modern tvs are also on the menu yeah so we also need a menu button and then navigation but we can integrate that with volume and previous the next so yeah i think you really have to divide between functions you often use like maybe switch channels and volume and that kind of things and the menu button because you almost never use menu button yeah okay but maybe it is still still a good idea i am not sure you have to use a mute button to yeah mute button yes maybe i do not know where where you have to put it yeah well that is i think that is a later step we just now have to figure out what to put on what we can use and later we can do the design okay now my personal preference is using the standards basic i think that we should stand out unique being unique with the design so we have to i do not know make a different shape than usual so when you are in the shop and you see our tv control hanging that it stands out out not just in a row and you see all the same remote controls yeah does it have to be this has to be with different colors or i do not know different colors maybe you can give it out in different colors you can choose blue or yellow or something yeah 0 why not that is fancy that is a fashion it looks cheap as well because it is a small thing it is only 24 years it looks very cheap if you make it well maybe you can look at mobile phones 0 you just do not know what happened another front who yeah we have to look at mobile phones they are designed very well and well basically are the same just a bit smaller you think you can not make it if you control it too small because then you will always lose it yeah but well i think that is a good example okay okay we have to hurry up your bed because otherwise we are going to make it is it finished okay i will 1st we discussed everything okay well the working design the method i use is search the web just a web page provided and basically i am not very technical educated but i could figure it out basically what happens is you press a button then the circuit gets closed by pressing the button like a switch and by closing that certain circuit chip knows what button is pressed so like you press the one that circuit is closed and then the chip produces a pattern like morse code to and sends that to the led that is the light emitting diet i think and the light emitting diet is producing infrared light that is invisible to the human eye and transmit that to the tv however there is also a visible diode that is blinking red if you look in it and that is another diode i believe because infrared is not visible so that is there do 2 different things so we also have to have a lat yeah i think so i am not sure if it is the same thing i think it is usable yeah that is active yeah or just the green one because it is if it is a yellow because if you use it it is green or red it is green yeah maybe i think it is in the case that it is active it is not yeah when you press it so it is just the the reds shows up like something is wrong and green is like it is okay yeah i do not know almost almost remote controls is red yeah okay we make it so i know well we do not have to make it red maybe integrated into design as well you have to do the whole the whole control becomes green if you press the button that is cool i think the batteries will be a little recharge yeah okay if we can still make that but it does not have to be red it is just to indicate something yeah that is working does not the batteries are low green or red or whatever just to indicate it is working and the receptor in the tv sends a the pattern so we have to understand what patterns are used to you know to make it universal so that it can be used with all the tvs we have to really understand what patterns are used so we can otherwise it will not work so we have to make buttons for that as well to make no the chip is producing the pattern so we have to make a chip that produces patterns to you know to an automatically search function for each television yeah or i do not know how it exactly how it works it was not explained there well i use a universal remote control and before you have a list of all the tvs you have etc and you have to put in a number yeah so it works on your tv okay 0 i have a modern one and the modern one you you type search and the lead became to blink blink blink and after a short time the television turns off and then you know 0 it is the right one and you can stop it and then it is okay so you do not have to search for your television or your code it is a search the pattern for itself okay yeah so we have to make a bit more intelligent chip than the standard one because you have to yeah i just say can you just just say it again because i was just looking at this short well you have this chip this when the circuit is closed produces the pattern but basically for brands of tv these patterns are different so like when you press a one on one tv it is go to one and on the other tv it will not work basically so basically what you have to do is get these patterns right and by that can be done by just changing this pattern all the time and what he is doing when he is configuring this pattern this chip is trying to switch off the television and when it is switched off you can push your button it is working now so and then he saves that setting okay and then it is working yeah that is the right okay well the components yeah this is a bit technical and i had not i was a little short on time but i think i understand it the energy source is the battery basically that is connecting to all the components because it has to be fed with energy okay the sub component is i think it is the button pressed so basically when you press a button a switch get closed and that is connecting to a chip so the chip knows what button you pressed and the chip sends out the pattern to the infrared bulb i did not put the description by this one this is a normal bulb so the normal flashing light so that is the lead yeah yeah and this is a lead too but this one is producing infrared light it is invisible and this one is producing normal light so we can make the normal one also a normal light not a lead live but it is a normal one flash up your if you use the buttons both of them works but one you can not see and one indicates that you use a button yeah yeah yeah because when you press a button and it does not work you can basically if the battery is low it will not work so you have to indicate that it is maybe you have to put a small light around the button you push so you see green if you push that button i think it is a necessary power you use that if you do that you know that you are sending a signal okay and it is you also know in the wall remote control have to be that is yeah that is right everywhere and it does not make any difference for the energy you use it is still one left it will look different and i think we need to find something else it looks different yeah because otherwise we will just make another standard and our motto also it is just let us beneath the buttons yeah around the buttons or in the buttons even yeah okay yeah but like when you push it yeah then you have your finger over the button so you can see it must be around it yeah or maybe on top of the green light is flashing not here but here yeah yeah there yeah the same as a telephone or a mobile phone yeah we are thinking about that on a mobile phone in the dark it lights up everything lights up everything lights up it only takes a little energy if a mobile phone can do it it is yeah maybe that is a good idea for old people as well yeah if you were in there the dark you can not see the numbers it is only few lead only 4 or something for let no i do not know but if we use a battery station which i think we will use yeah yeah that is a good idea yeah we all have enough power to everything and everyone agrees that or yeah okay maybe what paul said on the home station a button to to call your remote control okay yeah but you have to make a sound device in it then yeah there must be sound in it maybe that is a little too hard to make especially for that kind of money 0 €25 i think we can the production cost is 125 12 and a half but we only have to make it for television yeah okay we must have something special we also have remote controls with a lot of options but we lose about 90% of those options so i think you can you have to give our customers some extras yeah i think we will save money with that okay you are almost finished or yeah the personal preference i did not fill it out because it was short on time but basically what we could do too is have a bluetooth integration yeah i just want to talk about some more so maybe yeah okay so this 0 sorry what is that so 0 sorry we have some new project requirements have to have a look what they are just tell them become outdated since the popularity of internet so a teletext option maybe we have to skip that one i am not sure i do not think so i think a lot of people use teletext it is on your computer it is on your television it is only one button so i definitely should use it yeah what i told you the remote compil should only be used for a television so that is maybe easier and the 40 plus people already told you 0 no sorry 0 this is a problem the new product should reach a new market with customers are the young and a 40 so it should be flashy or just interesting sorry about that but this just did not read it so did you make some decision about that yeah that kind of changed the whole situation well yeah then we have to make some nice features i think the thing in the dark is a good way to make more like a mobile phone more modern that is important i think and lcd does not work for €125 i think i do not think it is very usable in remote control especially when you only have tv functions nah i do not think you will use it after because you can see on the television what channel you are watching that is channel one okay so but what other features can we fit in yeah i think you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular and then the usability is not that required because like in the mobile phones usability is not that some of you had something to read about speech recognition about you said one and the television turns on one is that reachable maybe that is fair i did not see that is cool it is well yeah okay only the numbers only numbers furthermore nothing but only the numbers one to 20 or something that should be cool yeah maybe we have to integrate that as well if it is possible if it is possible i do not know i do not think it is very expensive actually why should it you only have a microphone yeah i did not have information about that and does it have to work only in english or in dutch too ah maybe ah that is a problem and and only in english only english yeah i do not know how it is worth then it is probably my job to figure that can you scream from wherever one television channel one we have to think about that but do we do it it is why i do not know so is it very usable that is what i am looking at and do you have to speak in like anything or maybe it is too hard to realize that we have short time to put it on the market so that is a lot of testing before we can do that yeah i think so we can make a remote control very flesh indeed the languages are a difficult thing because we yeah i do not think and it is useful enough to take the effort to design something with speech recognition and also if you have a good speech recognition you can just throw the remote away someone says give me one coke and the tv turns to one it is not yeah that is the right command but then you have to say tv channel one or something not just one but tv one that becomes because that is very hard for speech recognition speech recognition but i do not think it is just enduous enough so we have to make some decisions so we have to know what we are going to put on do we do we make a light under the numbers and everything do if you press it something it lights up for a few seconds so you can see what other buttons there are okay yeah that is good okay we just take that one and what else we have also the one in the dark so lights up when it is dark yeah but it is 0 that that would be the same if you push something yeah it does not work all the time yes that is what to work only when you use it so you can switch it on or something no maybe one button it must turn on for 20 seconds yeah that is right that is what i say it is the same as the telephone yeah all right yeah and do we use what is it called like an imac that you can look through it or just normal maybe it is a good idea like we discussed like ipod different colors maybe use even different fronts like phones different colors okay so just make it look through it as an option maybe and so the buttons we have this is normal we put in the simple buttons on the top and probably the more complicated buttons we have a lot of different buttons we do not really have any complicated buttons yeah maybe you have to when you use teletext you can press a green and a wrap button to go to the next one or to go to the previous one well i think the buttons are very easy with just standard buttons we just have so but maybe you can put the options of teletext on the 2nd level of the remote control because you know almost never use it teletext options are only 4 buttons or something yeah but younger people i think more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext yeah that is right i use teletext every day i think yeah for me too so we just keep it one level then yeah yeah one level and i think because we do not have that many buttons i think the design is most important you can integrate the buttons in the design very much because there are the simple buttons if you put one above it it is clear okay so that is it for today we are going to have a lunch lunch break how long it is lunch break so yeah you know what you have to do this is this is it you get your meal and everything so trend watching okay yeah that is fine yo so we finished for this time we are going to have a lunch okay now i have got my broodium as well to eat yeah i find the can tine sit there both yeah i can not eat yeah now lunch meganome yeah just that thing off then i am going to eat at the trend watch i do not even if you have your camera set maybe my one is almost like you are not i do not know i do not know 0 i am doing here i am a battery come here