okay kay so we will try to zip through this since we are short on time welcome everybody hope your sessions went well so this is our functional design meeting we are going to consider user needs technical effects and the working design of our remote control i have been taking meetings on the minute minutes on the meetings and i will be putting them in the shared documents folder so if there is anything you need to refer to you can find them in there i i will get the ones up for next time they are not finished yet right so can we have updates from everyone from what you have worked on just kind of a quick summary of anything interesting that you would like to share or discuss in this sure and i can start if you want is there an order no we have not decided on an order hm no any any order is fine 1st okay yeah how do i put this i will just put the cable in just 0 yeah sorry is that it can you see 0 here okay so what happens it does not work it sh it takes a few seconds i think you may need to who is that no is it in the right thing but sometimes you have to do it it is like a 3 set setting cycle so press it a couple times hold down function and then press f 8 0 wait you need to help me huh and then press function yeah and f 8 could you just plug it back into hers because she had 0 0 wait that is is that it adjusting here we are the cable might be a little loose or something right here we are 0 you got it 0 is it on we are here okay okay in order to see what the functional requirements were to be found a 100 people were tested in a usability laboratory through just their habits to n know their habits were observed and questionnaires were given out the findings in in some cases matched what we were talking about custome customers and users do not like the way remote controls look they do not like the way they feel they do not think they match their operating behavior and an example is what we were talking about the buttons they only use 10% of the buttons so later on there is a study of the buttons that they use most and i think we should design according to these buttons easy to lose and r s i i do not know what r s i means the person that did the questionnaire obviously did i do not have a clue hm according to the frequency of use and the relevance of each buttons i have made a list of the buttons that we should focus on in order of importance so the most important buttons are those to do with channel selection they are used about a 160 times per hour and yeah so and and people like to zap a lot apparently so this is the order channel selection teletext volume and power the other ones are the settings and they are used less than you know 08 to 05 times per hour and this means that i think we can we could have like a a button for all the settings and then just one and then from there go on to the audio on the screen either on the remote or on the television about the screen and speech recognition some people are more willing than others to actually pay for that and if we look at the market f people from well from 15 to 35 year old year olds i do not really know how to describe this 91 to 76% of people in that age range are willing to pay more for this sort of product while people that are above 35 years ol years old go from 35% to 8% so people that are 65 for example would not actually pay for this sort of thing i do not i do not know what the decision to be made is but i think that the people that actually do buy remotes m more are those like teenagers and young professionals and most likely but we should discuss this together and that is all i have to say about the matter kay shall i what do i do do i give this to someone else yeah just move right on right so get this okay so now i need to press f 8 what is it function f 8 function f 8 kay what is function it is the little blue w it is the one th yeah 0 function i see it there we go yeah should be it should be yeah okay this my presentation about the technical functions design and i basically just tried to focus on just what what functions we need and how to make that the best function for the user so and i just sort of like thought about it myself and looked on the internet and okay so basically i think i like it is really important that we sort of get this done in a user friendly and fashionable way so i think things like you know keeping buttons together that like close together that are used in the same way or maybe that making em the same color keeping the number of buttons the leas you know to a minimum and also things like is it is it is it can you c y small enough large enough i am not sure we c i guess we would need to do some research about i would about what size is appropriate and that sort of thing but basically we need to make sure that it turns on and off the t v does it have like capacity to change the channels does it do or do we need to have like functions for cable or v c r and then is it findable and how do we want to do that and i just thought that these 2 remotes were pretty boring i dunno if this will work but and i think we can find something that is more fun to look at and use than either of those just i mean i like the one on the right better just because it does have fewer buttons but i mean i think we sh can sort of think about things like like color and you know size shapes that sort of thing to best fit the user that concludes my presentation okay you need the little thingy ooh how do i s that is on view 0 right okay so this is on the working design which is sort of the mechanical functions of the remote and the method i used was to basically look at existing designs and incorporate ideas from our last meeting so i think we need 2 basic functions which is just the basic remote functions the user can input a channel or volume setting and it will be output to the t v and also we talked about a location function where maybe you could press a button on the t v and it would send sort of signal to the remote where it would beep or flash or vibrate or whatever to tell you where the remote is so the components we need are an energy source to power the remote input which would probably be buttons although we just talked about voice recognition processor to take the information something to transmit it to the t v and we also need something on the remote that would receive the location signal and have an output like possibly a beep or a vibration and also you need a sender for location signal which would probably be a separate thing that we would have to sell with the remote and people could stick it on their t v or stick it on their wall and this is just sort of an overview of how the remote works power comes from the battery goes to the chip and then it is sent from there to an infrared bulb which is probably the easiest way to send to the t v and then for the location function you would have a sender on the t v which would output some sort of signal we could use i r but we would probably want to use radio instead that signal would go to a receiver which it would process it and it would be output in the form of a buzzer or a light lighting up so my personal preferences for how to build the remote would probably be battery for the energy source that way you would not have to plug it in a button pad for input we can purchase a pre made chip which will handle all the processing stuff i r transmitter to communicate to the t v that is just sort of standard so most t v s have an i r receiver probably a radio receiver to send out location function and to receive it and i would probably say a buzzer for the location function on the remote itself so that concludes my presentation kay do you know about like i dunno you seem like you know about yeah i d i was an engineer before i came here okay cool okay well thank you everybody we have we will discuss that and then i just want to mention some new project requirements that came in teletext is apparently outdated so due to internet popularity so that is off the list also our remote should be used only for television no extra internet kinda fancy things just the remote and the television and also we need to incorporate our corporate image onto this so the phrase is we put fashion in electronics so let us be fashionable i guess if we have something i mean silver and and gold or yellow are our colors so if we had a like a kind of silver one like you saw and yellow writing something like that okay so we need to make some decisions on the remote control functions yeah do let us i guess we should yeah make some kind of brainstorming see what we can like in terms of how it looks or how it looks or like what it does wha what well probably our target group and how it is going to going to appeal to our target group and i dunno the the s the buttons and what it does and that sort of thing okay yeah okay so so is our target group then people so do we want to go ahead and design this thing with the finder button so i think that seems to yeah it is easy to implement okay so the yeah yeah yeah the the buzzer you mean yeah for sure yeah locator so then our target age group would be the 19 to 35 range what was it yeah teenagers and young professionals well that is for speech recognition 0 well 0 and screen that is only for speech recognition and screen i was thinking about that but i mean speech recognition is really hard to program and also if the t v is on it is making sound and the people on the t v are talking yeah and if somebody says like one then the t v is going to switch itself to channel one yeah yeah yeah or it seems like a silly i am not sure how you would implement it yeah i mean yeah i just put the values in and if if you consider our budget it probably if you consider our budget but the screen is the same as what it is a cool idea but to h have speech recognition programmed in every single remote might be a little pricey yeah yeah i am happy with that yeah completely hu yeah right so yeah okay so are we going to have just some kind of a like we will have the buzzer on the som like on the t v itself well you would have to have a button on a t v or on your wall or some place since the t v already has power yeah yeah yeah yeah you click the button it is going to send out a signal and i was thinking i r is line of sight so unless the remote is like actually in front of the t v it is not going to work so probably like a radio signal like on a on a cell phone okay okay yeah okay alright okay sends out a signal and then the the remote hears the signal and so it beeps probably okay so you you would need like a separate base for that or like something you can right it would have to be sold separately because if the sender is on the remote then you would have to find the remote 1st to click the button to find the remote yeah yeah so do you plug it in the t you plug it in t v this thing yeah it would probably just stick it on your t v so if you need to find the remote click the button okay okay so it is now like a 2 part thing yeah so it would be a 2 part package okay alright okay so we get to design that too make it fashionable okay so do you think even though we are not talking about speek speech recognition our target group should still be teenagers and young professionals yeah i think so yeah huh just there okay are we should that thing be on the thing to put the you s you talking about a home for it do you still want to build a little thing next to the telly or to p hang on the wall or shall we leave that for now yeah we probably leave that i mean i guess one takes care of the other like if you can yeah if you can call it then it is okay yeah then it can live anywhere yeah okay yeah for the so you have that button that so there is is there a light or shall we leave just have a radio on the t v or on the phone are we just having a radio on the phone it seemed like a a beep seemed the most reasonable to me i think that is what the phone has t you do not need a light yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean when you need to find your phone you just have someone call it and it starts ringing somewhere and then you can figure out that it is in the couch or wherever and like if the if the phone is under the couch you might not see the light so yeah you can hear it is under the couch yeah so i yeah so need the other buttons so we have this so i mean the 2 remotes that you had shown r i do not remember who showed them yeah you you did that was that was me they are i mean one looked like it was for v c r type thing and the other looked like just television i think w i think they are both sort of just like general remo they are both general remotes 0 really and cause that that is something we have to decide is whether we want to have v c r capabilities yeah does anyone know if v c r s are the same across international they are not no they are not no okay so you would need like a whole different set of buttons for everybody is v c r s s yeah that is right yeah it not v h s here but d v d probably is yeah other than that region and coding thing but v c r s and and if we are if we are targeting young professionals and teenagers i mean it is going to be d v d type that is the the technology these days yeah yeah for sure yeah so okay let us see if i can i think still though it should not be that hard to take like just reduce the number of buttons you know yeah like cause if you just have like one menu button that works like with a you know or you can just kind of scroll through the options u that come up on the t v yeah well for sure we need the i think we can just design the channels i mean power is just a button and it is not used that much s yeah huh s and it is usually that red and i think it is quite nice to keep it like red yeah yeah yeah you know i have seen some remotes that where you just hold one like if you hold one down it is it is a different color than the other buttons but that turns it on so you do not actually have a separate power button it is just 0 okay yeah it seems like that would be hard though but i mean like because unless you know yeah it might be confusing yeah just cause i would not i would probably pick it up and just be like why is there no on button yeah besides you like to be able to go power yeah i never think to hold something down yeah i have the power i guess yeah b yeah so we definitely want a power button and numbers yeah right well even ipod thing like i do not know if people like this but if you want to reduce the number of buttons instead of having like one to 9 have a sort of that sort of like joystick flat touch thing yeah scrolling i do not know yeah because people li seem now the ipod is out people seem to like this thing that there is no know you do not have 12345 yeah yeah i think that is an interesting idea cause it is cool it is it is funny like you f like i just i do not have an ipod but like i you know i just like started messing around with one of my friend is the other day and you just sort of and it is funny how you pick it up and you just figure out how to use it quite easily like it is not that hard you know yeah yeah yeah it is just and it is one thing which has everything yeah and it is yeah it is really but do you need a screen then do you have to have a screen then well can not it tell the like can not you if you you can have the number on the telly going like 12345 once you scroll and then yeah you can have the number going around in the corner yeah okay yeah yeah okay so we have this like scrolling sort of button 0 that is going to is that like on on a mouse pad where like kind of okay like a disk yeah yeah it is like it is just like the same technology as a mouse pad i have never used one it is like l this like that and then you do that no okay yeah okay yeah and then and then you can have if you actually just want to zap you can have like a thing like that and that and then it can just be +and minus okay so like it is like a little part of the circle that or it 0 so it is just a region of the circle that you can yeah you can well i yeah click 0 actually click on to have zap okay we could we could even have 4 buttons like if that is the if that is the mouse you could have the volume and the channel changers just like on that as well yeah yeah so volume could be like the top it and the bottom so do you need to okay does not it rotate though so it will be moving around well y you have to you have to like be able to change the function of it to like what do you mean the function i mean like okay cause so i dunno i guess okay so when you g scroll your thumb like around it it will s like say you are go you are going clockwise that that means you are going to go up the channels and then you scroll the other way and it will go down yeah yeah but then so if you want to switch to the to u do you have to switch to a function where like y so you are either in that mode or you are in the mode where like it just has like the 4 like you know this is channel that way that is that way and volume is up and down yeah but it knows for some reason it just the ipod knows it just kno the ipod knows if it works on an ipod then it works s yeah huh so you just you just can either do this or like you can just touch it if you want i do not have one well for the volume you have to press the middle and then go up okay that is what i mean okay okay so you have to like press this middle region and then you can scroll up go up and down 0 and then well if you do that it goes so it is like holding but if you like that makes more sense cause there is already ones with up and down here that i have seen you can 0 and you you is there an extra actual button or are you actually you are just using the mouse to go up and down well what you for the ipod you press an w right if you are on the channel let us say like it is like a b then you press on the middle and then if you do that again the volume goes up and if you do that it goes down right but if you want to keep it with volume here and here i am pretty sure well i mean if if you are going to this for channels right then y would not the volume need to be separate somehow yeah like you could just have i do not know you could click and then have it up and down but i think 0 like like 0 you could actually i think we can go on the fact that it does just work with the ipod yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but the only thing is like ipods are so expensive like it has to be is that part of yeah i dunno i dunno is that what makes them expensi i think it is all of they have so much memory though that is it is i do not think so you do not think so i do not think it is the wheel dealy okay i think it yeah yeah i think it is the h it is their capabili i mean they it can hold what like 5000 songs or something okay yeah yeah i am thinking we could if if we are hav so ba i mean but an ipod just has that circle thing you know and they are re programmable are not they you can put on your songs and then put on a different set that is probably why they are expensive they are like little computers yeah yeah yeah yeah s yeah well like since it just has the circle thing you could make it a qui a kind of cool shape like it could be a cool sort of you know because it could be circular you know or something weird like that just yeah yeah yeah yeah well it could just be simple instead of being a l mass because the other thing i did not tell you all my presentation is that people find it find that it is a big waste of time to have to learn how to use your remote and that is another thing they complained about yeah yeah what other buttons were there volume 0 we have ts just said that so okay channel selection this is just for t v it is not for or it is does need to be compatible with i a d v d is simple you just have play pause eject yeah so how do you switch menu you know actually our our new project requirements and menu maybe i am not sure if they meant 0 onl use only for television as in not for d v d or just not internet type things 0 yeah so i will i will check that and update you on the next but we will hold off on that cause okay so like if we had that yeah but s yeah but d v d players usually have their own remote that is true yeah yeah so i know i am not c really clear on what but it is cool to have it all on one because you want to turn it on then you want to turn up the volume yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and then you want to go to the menu so you do not want to switch yeah so you would have to have like i think you would have to have like a function switch button you know somewhere so like you can you are either on t v you are on d v d or you are on v c r or you are like yeah well but d v d is only like 4 buttons so yeah it is only fun yeah but i mean like to switch the fun so like to switch the function of the little circle disk the touch pad but i 0 yeah but i think the circle only does channel is not applicable to d v d really cause you do not want to but volume is and volume is actually controlled on the t v so you do not have to switch yeah but it it would be so but i am saying like does it make sense to have like some kind of a button so like you are if you are on t v like you can switch channels but then if if you are on d v d then like the channel bu like the the region of the disk that was for channels is for like switching to different tracks or s you know to different i mean do we need to think about that that like yeah let us think about it cause we need to wrap up yes we can try that okay let us see so everyone is going to go finish their questionnaire then when we come back after lunch we will have 30 minutes of individual work yeah so think about the things we have discussed and bring some new ideas to our next meeting see you soon
i was going to be able to be able to be i am sorry i am sorry i was going to be recorded i am here okay i am sorry to be i am sorry to be okay so we will try to zip through this since we are short on time welcome everybody hope your sessions went well so this is our functional design meeting we are going to consider user needs technical effects and the working design of our remote control i have been taking meetings on the minute minutes on the meetings and i will be putting them in the shared documents folder so if there is anything you need to refer to you can find them in there i will get the ones up from next time they are not finished yet right so can we have updates from everyone from what you have worked on just kind of a quick summary of anything interesting that you would like to share or discuss in this is there an order no you have not decided on an order no any order is fine okay how do i put this i will just put the cable in 0 yeah sorry is that it can you see one there okay so what happens it takes a few seconds i think it may need to you need to who is that nope is it in the wrong thing sometimes you have to do it it is like a 3 set setting cycle cycle so press it a couple times hold down function and then press f 8 you need to help me and then press function and f 8 could you just plug it back into hers wait that is is that testing yeah yeah the cable might be a little loose or something here we are yeah sit up okay in order to see what the functional requirements were to be found 100 people were tested in the usability laboratory through just their habits their habits were observed and questionnaires were given out the findings in some cases matched what we were talking about customers and users do not like the way remote controls look they do not like the way they feel they do not think they match their operating behavior and an example is what we were talking about the buttons they only use 10% of the buttons so later on there is a study of the buttons that they use most and i think we should design according to these buttons easy to lose an rsi i do not know what rsi means the person that did the questionnaire obviously did i do not have a clue according to the frequency of views and the relevance of each buttons i have made a list of the buttons that we should focus on in order of importance so the most important buttons are those to do with channel selection they are used about 160 times per hour and yeah so and people like to zap a lot apparently so this is the order channel selection teletext volume and power the other ones are the settings and they are used less than you know 08 to 05 times per hour and this means that i think we could we could have like a button for all the settings and then just one and then from there go on to the audio on the screen either on the remote or on the television about the screen and speech recognition some people are more willing than others to actually pay for that and if we look at the market people from well from 15 to 35 year olds i do not really know how to describe this 91 to 76% of people in that age range are willing to pay more for this sort of product while people that are above 35 years old go from 35% to 8% so so people that are 65 for example would not actually pay for this sort of thing i do not know what the decision to be made is but i think that the people that actually do buy remotes more are those teenagers and young professionals most likely but we should discuss this together and that is what i have to say about the matter shall i what do i do do i give this to someone else yeah you just move right on all right let us get this okay so now i need to press f 8 what is it function of it what is function it is the little blue it is the little blue functional okay okay okay this is my presentation about the technical functions design and i basically just tried to focus on just what functions we need and how to make that the best function for the user so i just sort of like thought about it myself and looked on the internet and okay so basically i think like it is really important that we sort of get this done in a user friendly and fashionable way so i think things like you know keeping buttons together that like like like close together that are used in the same way or maybe making the same color keeping the number of buttons the least to a minimum and also things like is it is it is it can you small enough large enough i am not sure i guess we would need to do some research about i would about what size is appropriate and that sort of thing but basically we need to make sure that it turns on and off the tv does it have like capacity to change the channels does it do we need to have like functions for cable or vcr and then is it findable and how do we want to do that and i just thought that these 2 remotes were pretty boring and i think we can find something that is more fun to look at and use than either of those i mean i like the one on the right better just because it does have fewer buttons but i mean i think we can sort of think about things like color and you know size shapes that sort of thing to best fit the user that concludes my presentation okay you need the little thing hello let us on view okay so this is on the working design which is sort of the mechanical functions of the remote the method i used was to basically look at existing designs and incorporate ideas from our last meeting last meeting so i think we need 2 basic functions which is just the basic remote functions the user can input a channel or a volume setting and it would be output to the tv and also we talked about a location function where maybe you could press a button on the tv and it would send sort of signal to the remote where it would be for flash or vibrate or whatever to tell you where the remote is so the components we need are an energy source to power the remote input which would probably be buttons although we just talked about voice recognition processor to take the information something to transmit it to the tv and we also need something on the remote that would receive the location signal and have an output like possibly a beep or a vibration and also you need a sender for location signal which would probably be a separate thing that we would have to sell with a remote and people could stick it on their tv or stick it on their wall and this is just sort of an overview of how the remote works power comes from the battery it goes to the chip and then it is sent from there to an infrared bulb which would probably be the easiest way to send to the tv and then for the location function you would have a sender on the tv which would output some sort of signal we could use ir but we would probably want to use radio instead that signal would go to a receiver the ship would process it and it would be output in the form of a ball in the form of a buzzer or a light lighting up so my personal preferences for how to build the remote would probably be a battery for the energy source that way you would not have to plug it in a button pad for input we can purchase a pre made chip which will handle all the processing stuff ir transmitter to communicate to the tv that is just sort of standard so most tvs have an ir receiver probably a radio receiver to send out location function and to receive it and i would probably say a buzzer for the location function on the remote itself so that concludes my presentation do you know about like i do not know you seem like you know about yeah i was an engineer okay i came here cool okay well thank you everybody have we will discuss that in a minute i just want to mention some new project requirements that came in teletext is apparently outdated so due to internet popularity so that is off the list also our remote should be used only for television no extra internet kind of fancy things just the remote and the television and also we need to incorporate our corporate image onto this so the phrase is we put fashion in electronics so let us be fashionable i guess if we have something i mean silver and gold or yellow or colors so if we have like a kind of silver run like you saw and yellow and yellow yellow rating something like that okay so we need to make some decisions on the remote control functions yeah do you let us i guess we should yeah make some kind of brainstorming like in terms of how it looks or like what it does well probably our target group and how it is going to appeal to our target group in i do not know the buttons and what it does and that sort of thing so is our target group then people so do we want to go ahead and design this thing with the finder button i think that seems easy to yeah yeah okay so the buzzer you know yeah yeah yeah sure yeah so then our target age group would be the 19 to 35 range yeah teenagers and young professionals well that is for speech recognition 0 0 i was thinking about that but i mean speech recognition is really hard to program and also if the tv is on it is making sound and the people on the tv are talking if somebody says like one then the tv is going to switch itself to channel one yeah yeah yeah it seems like a silly i am not sure yeah how you would implement it i just put the if you consider our budget it is probably if you consider our budget to have speech recognition programmed in every single remote might be a little price yeah yeah so okay so are we going to have just some kind of like we will have the buzzer on the like on the tv itself well you would have to have a button on a tv or on your wall or someplace but i guess because the tv already has power yeah yeah you click the button it is going to send out a signal i was thinking ir is line of sight so unless the remote is like actually in front of the tv it is not going to work so probably like a radio signal like on the cell phone okay it sends out a signal and then the remote here is the signal and so it beeps probably okay so you would need like a separate base for that or like something you can it would have to be sold separately because if the sender is on the remote they would have to find the remote 1st to click the button to find the remote so do you plug it in tv yeah probably just take it on your tv okay so it is now like a 2 part thing yeah so it would be a 2 part package okay so we get to design that too make it fashionable okay so do you think even though we are not talking about speech recognition our target group should still be teenagers and young professionals yeah just yeah okay are we should that thing be on the thing to put the you are talking about the home for it do you still want to build a little thing next to the telly or to hang on the wall or shall we leave that for now you will probably leave that i mean i guess one takes care of the other okay yeah if you can yeah if you can call it then it is then it can move anywhere yeah okay for them so you have that button so is there a light or shall we leave just have a radio on the tv or on the phone on the phone we do not need the light a beep seemed the most usually i think that is what the phone has yeah when you need to find your phone you should have someone call it and it starts ringing somewhere and then you can figure out and like if the phone is under the couch you might not see the light you can hit some of the couch yeah  so i need the other buttons so we have this so i mean the 2 remotes that you had shown i do not remember who showed them yeah you did i mean one looked like it was for vcr type thing and the other looked like just television i think they are both sort of just like general remotes 0 really because that is something we have to decide is whether we want to have vcr capabilities yeah does anyone know if vcrs are the same across international they are not they are not okay so you need like a whole different yeah not vhs here but dvd probably is yeah other than that region and coding thing but vcrs and if we are targeting young professionals and teenagers i mean it is going to be dvd type that is the technology these days so okay let us see if i can i think still it should not be that hard to type like just reduce the number of buttons you know yeah like because if you just have like one menu button that works like with you know where you can just kind of scroll through the options well for sure we need the i think we can just design the channels i mean power is just a button yeah and it is not used that much and it is usually that red yeah and i think it is quite nice to keep it like red you know seen some remotes though where you just hold one like if you hold one down it is a different color than the other buttons but that turns it on so you do not actually have a separate power button it seems like that would be hard though i mean because unless you might be confusing just because i would probably pick it up and just be like why is there no besides you like to be able to go power yeah i have the power yeah okay so we definitely want a power button and numbers or even an ipod thing i do not know if people like this but if you want to reduce a number of buttons instead of having like one to 9 have a sort of that is sort of like joystick flat touch thing because people like seem now the ipod is up people seem to like this thing that there is no you do not have 12345 i think that is an interesting idea because it is cool it is funny like i just i do not have an ipod but like you know i just like sort of messing around with one of my friends the other day and you just sort of and it is funny how you pick it up and you just figure out how to use it quite easily like it is not that hard yeah it is just and it is one thing which has everything yeah it is really but do you need a screen then do you have to have a screen then well can not it tell the like can not you yeah you have the number you can have the number on the telego like 12345 once you scroll okay so we have this like scrolling sort of button is that like on a mouse pad where yeah it is like it is just like the same it is like this like that and then you do that okay and then you can have if you actually just want to zap you can have like a thing like that and that and then it can just be +and minus okay so like it is like a little part of the circle that or yeah so it is just a region of the circle that you can yeah click call actually we could even have 4 buttons like that is the if that is the mouse you could have the volume yeah the channel changes just like on that so volume could be like the top of in the bottom so do you need to okay well you have to you have to like be able to change the function of it to like what do you mean the function i mean and like okay because so i do not know i guess okay so when you scroll your thumb like around it it will like let us say you are going clockwise that means you are going to go up the channels and then scroll the other way and it will go down yeah but then so if you want to switch to the do you have to switch to a function where like so you are either in that mode or you are in the mode where like it just has like the 4 like you know this is channeled that way that is that way and volume is up and down yeah but it knows for some just the ipod knows it just know the ipod knows if it works on an ipod then it works yeah so you just you just can either do this or like you can just touch it if you want well for the volume you have to press the middle okay that is what i think okay so you have to like press this middle region and then you can scroll up go up and then so it is like holding that it goes but if you like that makes more sense because there is already ones with up and down yeah that i have seen and you you is there an extra actual button or you actually you are just using the mass to go up and down well what do you like for the eye can you press in right if you are on the channel let us say then you press on the middle and then if you do that again the volume goes up and if you do that it goes down but if you want to keep it with volume here and here i am pretty sure well i mean if we are going to use this for channels right would not the volume need to be separate somehow like you could just have i do not know you could click and then have it up and down but i think we can go on the fact that it does just work with the ipad but the only thing is like ipods are so expensive like it has to be is that part is that what makes so yeah i do not know they have so much memory though i do not think so i think it is the it is their capability i mean they can hold what like 5000 songs or i am thinking we could if we are have so but an ipod just has that circle thing on your songs and put it you said that is probably why they are expensive yeah they are like little confused yeah but like since it just has this circle thing you could make it a kind of cool shape like it could be a cool sort of you know because it could be circular yeah yeah yeah or something weird like that but it could just be simple instead of being a little mess because the other thing i did not tell you on my presentation is that people find it find that it is a big waste of time to have to learn how to use your remote that is another thing they complained about what other buttons were there volume i just said that so okay this is just for tv it is not for or it does need to be compatible with the dvd is simple you just have play pause you know actually our new project requirements i am not sure if they meant use only for television as a not for dvd or just not internet type thing so i will check that and update you on the next so like if we have that we will hold off on that yeah but dvd players do usually have that remote that is true yeah i know i am not clearly clear i have it all on one because you want to turn it on then you want to turn up the volume and then you want to go to the venue so you would have to have like i think you would have to have like a function switch button you know somewhere so like you are either on tv or on dvd or you are on vcr yeah or you are like well the dvd is only like 4 buttons yeah but i mean like to switch the function of the little circle disk the touch pad i think the circle only does channel is not applicable to dvd really because you do not want to yeah but it volume is and volume is actually controlled on the tv so you do not have to switch so but i am saying like does it make sense to have like some kind of a button so like you are on tv like you can switch channels but then if you are if you are on dvd then the channel button like the region of the disk that was for channels is for like switching to different tracks or you know to different i mean do we need to think about that yeah let us think about it because we need to wrap up let us see so everyone is going to go finish their questionnaire then when we come back after lunch we will have 30 minutes of individual work yeah so think about the things we have discussed and bring some ideas to our next meeting see you soon so i feel like i am on a spaceship