okay agnes you can help me for the slide when okay yep sure okay welcome back i hope you have a fresh head and a fresh time how t now the meeting actually we gathering here to discuss about the functional design meeting okay and we will issue some information from all of you and it is in the i think in the sharing folder and i will invite the christine and the ed and agnes to discuss about on the various subjects so can you go to the next slide yeah the agenda of the meeting is opening then i am going to talk about the project management what i am going to do and of course i am doing the project management and secretary both okay to take the minutes of the meeting and there are 3 presentations one is new project requirements and the 2nd one about decision on remote control functions and finally we are closing and the meeting time will be 40 minutes so you have to be very quick and i have come up with the management come with the new proposal okay and i have to discuss a few points on this both says new insights in the aim of your project the one is the teletext becomes outmoded okay because if because of the computer systems and the new technology so we do not need to consider really about the teletext all in our new project design and the 2nd one is about the remote control should be used only for the t v that is what our management says and the 3rd point it is very very important to establish our marketing or corporate image okay with this new project or new product okay so i will invite agnes can you go to the 3rd slide no this is the 3rd slide okay so i will invite christine to discuss about the functional design kay do you want to open the sure you are participant s i am number 2 2 that is it do you want the mouse or do you want me to i will do the notes yeah thanks so well i i figured we should identify some user requirements and from my experience i want to and from research i did the the device has to turn the television on and off the 1st time you press on the big button you can not can not have like waffling on this point you know really have it needs to be able y y have to be able to find it because one of the biggest problems with remote controls is finding them so i also since we have to establish our corporate image on the basis of this new product thought we better look at things that are popular and ex go beyond those and as i said in the 1st meeting and then we might want to talk eventually about the materials that are appropriate to use in in the construction especially in the the the outside of the product so that it gives the appearance and it is reliable and so forth i did a little history on the the remote controls and when they were invented and so forth so i guess this guy zenith created the flashmatic which i kinda like the idea cause it made me think of maybe the remote control made a big flash when you turn the t v on and off that might be interesting and so it was highly directional flash light that you could turn the picture on and off and the sound on and off and change channels c so i think those are still requirements we have today 50 years later and it was really a pioneering innovation but it was sensitive to the sun so that it would get would start off by the you would get it would easily cause problems so i in addition to looking at the the functional requir so all these devices are examples of where they represent examples that are available today which i think the one in the middle is r really something to keep in mind fantastic it would be easy to find and it would y you would you could throw it at things if if the t v did not turn on and off you could use it for something else and since i am not really industrial designer i did not really know what to do with this slide but i just took some different schematics and i put them into this and i guess this is what a slide might look like if you were drawing a circuit board i do not know why we were asked to do this so personal preferences i think we could i i am really thinking outside the box here and i think that we should consider perhaps having an an an a a size a remote control that changes in size depending on the user preference so something that is very very flexible and inflatable and then you could shrink it i think it could either be you could go either one extreme be very colorful or you could make it clear and kind of blend in with things so you did not have to have a problem with the th the decoration of the of the user is home i think it needs to be waterproof because sometimes they fall into cups and you know it might be out by the swimming pool or something like that if you mi one of one of my requirements was about needs t to tell you when it is done its job or not because half the time i keep pushing on the remote control and i do not know if it is actually understood my message so i think it should give you some sort of an oral cue and course i never want to replace the battery so that is those are my f preferences and that is my presentation yeah let me interrupt you if you can add other facility other feature like unbreakable yes okay because especially today you know you have the family and the kids okay and the kids throw it and they they play with their remotes and run over it with a car yes okay so if you can add the feature okay for your fabric whatever in your outline design okay with unbreakable okay i think that will give a lot of advantage for our product good idea if i am not wrong good idea i will i will maybe you can add it in that yes very good okay thank you christine and any questions or clarifications or any discussion on the functional design do you have any preconceived ideas in terms of materials cause for example in the unbreakable thing doing something plastic would be harder whereas having something like i dunno steel or titanium is not really economically viable titanium titanium would be be heavy too would not it titanium yeah no i have not really i wanted feedback i think we need to rate rank these yeah but we will see what your personal preferences are and your thoughts sure yeah no i just wondering whether that you had any sort of i like titanium it is light yeah expensive yeah but who who said who said we were you know nobody told me how mu what our financial objective is so the marketing comes out yes yeah so it would be hard to inflate something ou made out of titanium though yeah the the i am sorry because the last meeting we supposed to discuss about the financial thing let me go quickly maybe if i can go back i know the project plan and the budget so i can close this not sure was in s this so let me see where is this file that is christine is this is christine and that is mine i think that is yours okay saving in modified i do not know i think verbally we can we can pretty much sell okay i will i will send you a mail okay the project may be the the project aim okay at the end of the day the company wants to make at least the €50000000 okay and of course the price will be very reasonable on the the sales side okay that maybe eddie will talk to you about how much the price and what is how much its cost for the manufacturing and how much it is going to be we sell in the market okay then you can come back with your feedback and i i have one maybe the suggestion or opinion this remote control okay it can be for like universal to use for any t v okay and it will be slim okay and not fat not fat not fat huh okay might be hard to find though yep but let us try it okay with the different the designs okay the functional designs 0 okay okay so any other questions from her side i do not think there is too many more questions okay if you can come to the thank you christine for time being so then ed so can you tell about okay from the marketing yeah from the marketing side just to to give an idea what the management is looking for i was looking for a a remote control to have a s s scuse me for one sec i have a sales price of €25 with a production price of €125 for what i think from what we are trying to find we are tr we are looking for i do not think that price is exactly in the market okay i will explain myself here now in the sense that in a in the recent surveys from the ages fr from 15 to 35 80% are willing to spend more money for something as fancy as trendy €25 that is that is a preson reasonable price that is a market price right now now if we are going to take a risk and push this up a bit make it more expensive yep but give them added things that they do not have now then it w it could possibly sell yep obviously the risk is there too expensive they are not going to buy but i think there is one other thing interesting 2 things that are interesting is that from the 15 to 35 year old group which always spends more money on trendy new things speech recognition is requested speech recognition and we are talking between 75 to 90% of this group is willing to pay for speech recognition on a remote obviously we can not make a remote into a computer but maybe simple commands i dunno louder softer on off that might be a possibility even though it costs more to be the 1st on the market to produce this 35% say they are too difficult to use so we have to figure out a way of making it more user friendly 50% say they can not find the remote half the time so maybe one word speech recognition commands say remote and there is a beep beep beep and they can find it through you know 10 tons of newspapers magazines whatever you have at home but in the cost that the management is looking for that is not going to be possible but if it is trendy if it is fancy it has got some color to it if it is very easy easy to use if it has got simple remote speech remote control like i said louder softer change channel on off remote it goes beep beep i can find my my remote without spending half a day looking for it and getting all upset cause i can not turn the t v on so we are going to have to look at it in a in this global idea with the ideas of the industrial design but price obviously we have to talk about yep so what do you think about the design do you think you can make it or d i am sorry what do you think about the design what he was talking about of the speech recognition speech recognition well training is always an issue with commands so might we can perhaps do it if the user is willing to spend some time in the training process it could reduce th th the overall cost not sure how but anyway i i think also that this might impact the battery life and so maybe what we will have to do is add something where you can recharge it wirelessly so that y you know senator send power to it so or maybe set it out in the sun and it you know gets from the light a a solar cell inside there so that you have enough juice to do all these fancy things it seems also like with the speech recognition yeah it is a great feature but if you are watching t v there is a lot of ambient sound and it is words it is not just you know noises like something hitting it is actual speech so then you have to make sure that the speech recognizer is good enough to filter out the t v speech and the the user is speech otherwise you can say remote off but if someone on the screen is saying the same thing all of a sudden you have someone in a movie saying off and your screen dies because they have triggered the remote control and it is turned off your t v so i think if we can find a speech recognizer that can handle those types of problems then yeah it would be a really good marketing gimmick but i think we seriously need to consider how that would impact the situation very good point because tha w with speech recognition th i am not that good at that idea but th if it is a one word recognition cause i know with telephones and cars and things i have seen in the states yeah a friend of mine says call mom and it calls up mom yeah kay the radio can be on and everything yep because i think s with speech recognition if the the remote or like the telephone it has a exact word that it has to hear i do not think it would come through a sentence in a television if somebody is speaking on the se the television they are not going to stop and say remote okay so i think that something could be designed to recognize single word 0 yeah yeah like the t like the telephone no i think it is a great idea if we can design it to to suit those requirements no because i this is this is years ago in the united states where we are driving down and he said call home and the telephone called immediately so well that is kinda cute yeah well what i can suggest to you christine okay if you need some the technical feedback or some training okay about this facility especially for the speech recognition i can recommend you some companies like intel or i b m okay because they are already in this speech recognition part okay and you can maybe have some technical backup from them some kind of a technical tie up okay and if you want i can coordinate okay to get some information okay and you can let me know okay so what kind of the details you require okay to add this feature in this project i do not think it is the difficult and we need to know how much is the timeframe you need to develop apart from what today okay we will find that out yep from from your side you are going to have to go back the management and s be more s precise yes what do they want yes a risk take a risk on the market something that is going to cost more but could very easily s make a boom in the market yes yep because it has to be something totally different has to be total totally new something that nobody has right now yeah but but end of the day you are the sales guy and it is going to cost so i will come back and sit on your head because you are going to give your sales projection okay it is of course it is good to tell the management how much it is cost us and how much you are going to benefit okay sure sure and so i do not mind to convince okay the management to spend some more money on the project okay if you can make out of obviously the money from this project if the bottom line is positive yes okay i do not mind to convince the the management okay the management says okay so they they do not want certain facilities which it is already worked okay they want something new okay i think like speech recognit definitely they will agree i do not think they will say no for that okay and i hope i can convince the management on that okay so if you have any new ideas okay for your you can always come up and you can tell me if you need any s special okay coordination okay between any technical companies which you can hide their technology backup okay for your functional design or technical design okay then i am ready to do that and what is your comments about well i mean maybe if i go through my presentation you can sort of see what the user perspective is and how it ties into the other 2 comments yeah so you are finish ed so i can yes okay i will hand over to agnes just going to close this t where are you here participant 3 participant 3 nope here okay so i will yep okay good thanks is it okay alri yeah and that is fine okay so basically the method that we usually use in the user interface design is that we need to look at what people like and what people do not like about existing products so in our case existing remote controls and then what the good ideas are and what the bad ideas are and why they are bad and good which is not always as obvious we seem to have intuitions about why things are good or things are bad but when you look technically at how it works sometimes that is not the case then we need to decide what functionalities we really want to keep cause that will feed into both ed is work and christine is work and then what the remote control should look like obviously once we have got a good idea of what the functionalities are so in terms of the functionalities that we need you obviously need to be able to turn the t v on and off you need to change channels both by directly going to a specific channel or by channel surfing you need to be able to control the volume and then control any menus on the t v to regulate contrast or whatever so the problems that people have expressed is that there is too many buttons on remote controls in general the buttons it is not clear what they are supposed to do often you need to know specific button sequences to get certain functionalities done which you do not necessarily always remember especially if it is a functionality that you do not use very often and that the buttons are too small so here we have got 2 examples where here on the left hand side you can see a remote control that has lots and lots of buttons the buttons in a lot of cases are tiny they are hard to see and okay they are labeled but the labels do not necessarily tell you too much whereas on the other side you have a much simpler remote control that i think basically has the minimum functionalities that are needed and it sort of looks simpler and just less imposing when you 1st look at it so i would be inclined to go sort of towards this in terms of design rather than this and if there is specific functionalities that require more buttons then we can figure out how to do it with existing buttons so my personal preferences are to keep the number of buttons to a limit or to a minimum sorry make frequently used buttons bigger and more strategically placed so like the on button being really obvious one the channel changing and the volume and to keep the design basically sleek and simple click which i think ties into what christine and ed have both said fairly reasonably so that is pretty much it an i do not know if you guys have any questions or 0 it is seems very understandable clearly your research and and ours heading in the same direction and yep the only thing that i saw missing from your your research that we found was this ability to find the doggone thing when you need it yes that is true so you know but that is okay yeah that is why we are all here at the table so that if we think of it and our research indicates certain things and w we it is complementary yeah i also think that th f the the feel of it is when you hold it is something that was expressed more in in in in my design and that is logical and normal cause those are the parameters that an industrial designer is more thinking about th th the look and the feel and you are yeah yeah 0 that is definitely a very important factor especially to users who are going to be buying the thing and then using it almost on an daily basis in a lot of cases i think 1st yep okay so i do not have any questions sounds good so for anybody need any help for time being on this subjects okay so please come back to me and christine 0 maybe i can try to help you to get some the technical the companies to help you for make a design slim okay and to add some features like we are talking about the speech recognition and all should we maybe make a decision about what features we actually want to include cause we have thrown a lot of features onto the table but yeah do we actually want to incorporate all of them or have we missed anything do you want to go back and look at the closing slide maybe that would provide some guidance sure does not really tell us so not really this one we are talk ab individual actions well it says individual actions it says user interf so i am supposed to do the components concept yep supposed to work on the user interface concept and you are supposed to keep watching the trends and specific instructions will be sent by our our coach i think we should do as many features as start with all of them right now and eliminate them later in the process that is my suggestion i thought okay that will be great and i will send you the the minutes of meet you can object if you want to no i i am just thinking in terms of time like if she is objecting yes now i am objecting yeah no i mean i was just thinking is it really practical to start designing something with features that we are just going to end up throwing away i mean it takes a lot of time and effort for everyone to consider different features and s if we spend that time and effort on features that we are not going to use maybe it is better to spend it on the f thinking more about features that we actually do want but 0 th we s we still have i think we should take that as an action item for after the meeting cause w our meeting time has run out i guess yeah right somebody else has go to use this room and you know we can not hang out here and talk about this so sure yeah yeah sure okay what we will do is now we will take for lunch break okay then we can discuss furthermore okay with our areas and then we will come back again in the in the next meeting so thanks for coming and i will send you minutes of meeting and please put your all information in the sharing folder so everybody can share the information okay okay so let us go for lunch then thank you very much agreed thank you
and we are supposed to change seats i did not have the same spot it did it was it disappeared on me i did a no no somewhere and it disappeared and whose thing in the jigger is this there you go not me too that is for sure okay agnes you can help me for the slide when i tell you okay welcome back i hope you have fresh hair and fresh time fresh time now the meeting actually we gathering here to discuss about the functional design meeting okay and we receive some information from all of you and it is in the i think in the sharing folder and i will invite the christine and the ed and agnes to discuss about on the various subjects so can you go to the next slide the agenda of the meeting is opening then i am going to talk about the project management what i am going to do and of course i am doing the project management and secretary both to take the minutes of the meeting and there are 3 presentations one is new project requirements and the 2nd one about decision on remote control functions and finally we have come and finally we are closing and the meeting time will be 40 minutes so we have to be very quick and i have come up with the management come with the new proposal and i have to discuss a few points on this board says new insights in the aim of your project the one is the teletext becomes outmodel because of the computer systems and new technology so we do not need to consider really about the teletext and all in our new project design the 2nd one is about the remote control should be used only for the tv that is what our management says and the 3rd point it is very very important to establish our marketing or corporate image okay with this new project or new project or new product okay so i will invite agnes can you go to the 3rd slide no this is the 3rd slide okay this so i will invite christine to discuss about the functional design okay do you want to open the your participants i am number 2 that is it do you want the mouse or do you want me to i will do it in a mouse yeah thanks so well i figured we should identify some user requirements and from my experience i want to and from research did the device has to turn television on and off the 1st time you press on the big button he can not have like waffling on this point you know really had and needs to be able to be able to find it because one of the biggest problems with remote controls is finding them so i also since we have to establish our corporate image on the basis of this new product that we better look at things that are popular and go beyond those and as i said in the 1st meeting and then we might want to talk eventually about the materials that are appropriate to use and the construction especially in the outside of the product so that it gives the appearance and is reliable and so forth i did a little history on the remote controls and when they were invented and so forth so i guess this guy at zenith created the flashmatic which i kind of like the idea because it made me think of maybe the remote control made a big flash when you turn the tv on and off that might be interesting and so it was a highly directional flashlight that you could turn the picture on and off and the sound on and off and change channels so i think those are still requirements we have today 50 years later and it was really a pioneering innovation but it was sensitive to the sun so that it would start off by the it would easily cause problems so i in addition to looking at the functional requirements so all these devices are examples of where they represent examples that are available today which i think the one in the middle so it is really something to keep in mind it would be easy to find and it would you could throw it at things if the tv did not turn on it off you could use it for something else and since i am not really an industrial designer i did not really know what to do with this slide but i just took some different schematic and i put them into this and i guess this is what a slide might look like if you were drawing a circuit board i do not know why we were asked to do this so personal preferences i think we could i am really thinking outside the box here and i think that we should consider perhaps having a size a remote control that changes in size depending on the user preference so something that is very very flexible and inflatable and then you could shrink it i think you could either be you could go either one extreme be very colorful or you could make it clear and kind of blend in with things so you did not have to have a problem with the decoration of the user is home i think it needs to be waterproof because sometimes they fall into cups and you know it might be out by the swimming pool or something like that if you one of my requirements was about it needs to tell you when it is done its job or not because half the time i keep pushing on the remote control and i do not know if it is actually understood my message so i think it should give you some sort of an oral cue and of course i never want to replace the battery so that is those are my preferences and that is my presentation yeah let me interrupt you if you can add other facility other future like unbreakable yes okay because especially today you know you have the family and the kids okay and the kids throw it and they play with the remote run over it with a car yes okay so if you can add the future okay for your fabric whatever in your outline design okay with unbreakable okay i think that will give a lot of advantage for our product good i am not wrong good idea i will you can add it in that yes very good okay thank you christine and any questions or clarifications or any discussion on the functional design do you have any preconceived ideas in terms of materials because for example in the unbreakable thing doing something plastic would be harder where having something like i do not know steel or titanium is not really economically viable it is heavy too no i have not really i wanted feedback i think we need to rank these but we will see what your personal preferences are no i am just wondering whether that you had any i like titanium it is light expensive marketing comes who said we you know nobody told me how much what our financial objective is so yeah it would be hard to inflate something i am sorry because the last meeting we are supposed to discuss about the financial thing let me go quickly maybe if i can go back and our project plan and the budget so i can close this so which i will it was in there so let me see where is this file that is christine is this is christine that is mine that is mine i think boom i am modified i know i think verbally can pretty much the project may be the project a okay or the end of the day company wants to make at least the €50000000 okay and of course the price will be very reasonable on the the sale side okay that maybe ed will talk to you about how much of the price and what is the how much it is cost for the manufacturing and how much it is going to be we sell in the market okay then you can come back with your feedback and i have one maybe the suggestion or opinion this remote control okay it can be for like a universal to use for any tv okay and it will be slim okay and not fat not fat not fat it might be hard to find though but let us try it okay with the different the designs okay the functional designs okay so any other questions from her side i do not think there is too many more questions okay thank you for the time being so then it okay from the marketing side just to give an idea what the management is looking for they are looking for a remote control to have a sales price of €25 with a production price of a 125 a year for what i think from what we are trying to find which we are looking for i do not think that price is exactly in the market okay i will explain myself here now in the sense that in the recent surveys from the ages from 15 to 35 80% are willing to spend more money for something as fancy as trendy €25 that is a reasonable price that is a market price right now now if we are going to take a risk and push this up a bit make it more expensive but give them added things that they do not have now then it could possibly sell obviously the risk is there too expensive they are not going to buy but i think there is one other thing interesting 2 things that are interesting is that from the 15 to 35 year old group which always spends more money on trendy new things speech recognition is requested we are talking between 75 to 90% of this group is willing to pay for a speech recognition on a remote obviously you can not make a remote into a computer but maybe simple commands louder softer on off that might be a possibility even though it costs more to be the 1st on the market to produce this 35% say they are too difficult to use so we have to figure out a way of making it more user friendly 50% say they can not find the remote half the time so maybe one word speech recognition command say remote and there is a beep beep beep and they can find it through 10 tons of newspapers magazines whatever you have at home but in the cost that the management is looking for that is not going to be possible but if it is trendy if it is fancy it has got some color to it it is very easy to use if it has got simple remote speech remote control like i said louder softer change channel on off remote it goes beep i can find my remote without spending half a day looking for it and getting all upset because i can not turn the tv on so we are going to look at it in in this global idea with the ideas of the industrial design but price obviously we have to talk about yeah so what do you think about the design statistic do you think you can make it or i am sorry what do you think about the design what he was talking about speech recognition speech recognition well training is always an issue with commands so we can perhaps do it if the user is willing to spend some time in the training process it could reduce the overall cost not sure how but anyway i think also that this might impact the battery life and so maybe what we will have to do is add something where you can recharge it wirelessly so that you never send power to it or maybe you set it out in the sun and it you know gets a from the light a solar cell inside there so that you have enough juice to do all these fancy things it seems also like with the speech recognition yeah it is a great feature but if you are watching tv there is a lot of ambient sound and it is words it is not just you know noise is like something hitting it is actual speech so then you have to make sure that the speech recognizer is going good enough to filter out the tv speech and the user is speech otherwise you can say remote but if someone on the screen is saying the same thing all of a sudden you have someone in a movie saying off and your screen dies because they have triggered the remote control and it is turned off your tv so i think if we can find a speech recognizer that can handle those types of problems then yeah it would be a really good marketing gimmick but i think we seriously need to consider how that would impact the situation very good point because with speech recognition i am not that good at that idea but if it is a one word recognition because i know with telephones in cars and things i have seen in the states a friend of mine says call mom and it calls up mom yeah okay the radio can be on and everything because i think with speech recognition if the remote or like the telephone it has an exact word that it has to hear i do not think it would come through a sentence and a television if somebody is speaking on the television they are not going to stop and say remote okay so i think that something could be designed to recognize single word 0 yeah yeah like the telephone i think it is a great idea if we can design it to see those requirements we are driving down and he used to call home when the telephone called immediately so that is kind of cute what i can suggest you christine okay if you need some technical feedback or some training okay about this facility especially for the speech recognition i can recommend you some companies like intel or ibm okay because they are already in this speech recognition part okay and you can maybe have some technical backup from them some kind of technical tie up okay and if you want i can coordinate okay to get some information again you can let me know okay so what kind of the details you required okay to add this future in this project i do not think it is the difficult and we need to know how much is the time frame you need to develop apart from what you have today okay we will find that out from your side you are going to have to go back to management and be more precise what do they want a risk take a risk on the market something that is going to cost more but could very easily make a boom in the market because it has to be something totally different has to be totally new something that nobody has right now it is going to cost but at the end of the day you are the sales guy so i will come back and sit on your head because you are going to give your sales projection okay of course it is good to tell the management how much it is cost us and how much you are going to benefit okay and so i do not mind to convince okay the management to spend some more money on the project okay if you can make out of obviously the money from this problem if the bottom line is positive i do not mind to convince the management the management says okay so they do not want certain facilities which it is already walled okay they want something new okay i think like a speech recognition definitely they will agree i do not think they say no for that and i hope i can convince the management on that so if you have any new ideas okay for your you can always come up and you can tell me if you need any special coordination okay coordination between any technical companies which you can hide the technology backup okay for your functional design or technical design okay then i am ready to do that and what is your comments about well i mean maybe if i go through my presentation you can sort of see what the user perspective is and how it ties into the other 2 comments so you are finished ed so i can okay i will hand out to higney sure can i close this where are you here participant 3 potspent 3 no here john ed okay sorry okay good thanks is it okay yeah that is fine okay so basically the method that we usually use in the user interface design is that we need to look at what people like and what people do not like about existing products so in our case existing remote controls and then what the good ideas are and what the bad ideas are and why they are bad and good which is not always as obvious we seem to have intuitions about why things are good or things are bad but when you look technically at how it works sometimes that is not the case we need to decide what functionalities we really want to keep because that will feed into both ed is work and christine is work and then what the remote control should look like obviously once we have got a good idea of what the functionalities are so in terms of the functionalities that we need you obviously need to be able to turn the tv on and off you need to change channels both by directly going to a specific channel or by channel surfing you need to be able to control the volume and then control any menus on the tv to regulate contrast or whatever so the problems that people have expressed is that there is too many buttons on remote controls in general the buttons it is not clear what they are supposed to do often you need to know specific button sequences to get certain functionalities done which you do not necessarily always remember especially if it is a functionality that you do not use very often and that the buttons are too small so here we have got 2 examples where here on the left hand side you can see a remote control that has lots and lots of buttons the buttons in a lot of cases are tiny they are hard to see and okay they are labeled but the labels do not necessarily tell you too much whereas on the other side you have a much simpler remote control that i think basically has the minimum functionalities that are needed and it sort of look simpler and just less imposing when you 1st look at it so i would be inclined to go sort of towards this in terms of design rather than this and if there is specific functionalities that require more buttons then we can figure out how to do it with existing buttons so my personal preferences are to keep the number of buttons to a limit or to a minimum sorry make frequently used buttons bigger and more strategically play so like the on button being really obvious one the channel changing and the volume volume and to keep the design basically sleek and simple which i think ties into what christine and ed have both said fairly reasonably so that is pretty much it i do not know if you guys have any questions or 0 it seems very understandable clearly your research and an hour hours heading in the same direction and the only thing that i saw missing from your research that we found was this ability to find the doggone thing when you need it yes that is true so you know but that is okay that is why we are all here at the table so that if we think of it and our research indicate certain things and it is complementary i also think that the feel of it is when you hold it is something that was expressed more in my design and that is logical and normal because those are the parameters that an industrial designer is more thinking about the look and the feel and that is definitely a very important factor especially to users who are going to be buying the thing and i am using it almost on a daily basis in a lot of cases i think okay so i do not have any questions sounds good so anybody need any help for time being on this subject okay so please come back to me and christian maybe i can try to help you to get some the technical companies to help you for make a design slim okay and to add some futures like what we are talking about speech recognition and all should we maybe make a decision about what features we actually want to include because we have thrown a lot of features onto the table but do we actually want to incorporate all of them or have we missed anything do you want to go back and look at the closing slide maybe that would provide some guidance sure it does not really tell us well it says individual actions it says user so i am supposed to do the components concept you are supposed to work on the user interface concept and you are supposed to keep watching the trends and specific instructions will be sent by our coach i think we should do as many features as start with all of them right now and eliminate them later in the process that is my suggestion okay that would be great and i will send you the minutes of me you can object if you want to i am just thinking in terms of time you are objecting it yes no i am objecting no i mean i was just thinking is it really practical to start designing something with features that we are just going to end up throwing away i mean it takes a lot of time and effort for everyone to consider different features and if we spend that time and effort on features that we are not going to use maybe it is better to spend it on the thinking more about features that we are actually do want but i do not think that as an action item for after the meeting because our meeting time has run out somebody else has got to use this room and you know we can not hang out here yeah talk about this so okay what will this we will take for lunch break okay then we can discuss further more okay with our ideas and then we will come back again in the next meeting so thanks for coming and i will send you minutes of meeting and please put your all information in the sharing folder so everybody can share the information okay so let us go for lunch time thank you very much thank you