welcome back after lunch i hope you had a good lunch together for this meeting the main agenda okay to discuss about the conceptual design meeting okay and the agenda will be the opening and that is the product manager or secretary that is me and the presentations from the christine and agnes and from mister ed and finally in this meeting we have to decide and we are to take a decision on the remote control concept and the functional design so we have 40 minutes i think it is little bit low but i i hope we can finish it up so i will handle to the the functional team to the christine okay to discuss about the components concept okay so if you could open the powerpoint presentation i am number 2 you are number 2 kay components design there we go so can we put it in slide show mode yeah the next one right here is that little that one yes please thank you i will take the mouse so we were looking he specifically at the components the following components the case the power supply the means of communications with the television set in instance we had talked about using some sort of speech recognition you have to have microphone well no you do not actually i have not have to have microphone in the device but maybe you do have it a a way it has to it has to hear the speaker and so it could be in the television set could be in the device but somewhere you have to put the microphone and a w a way of making beeps or sounds so you can find it when it is gets lost so the other w thing that we so our method for going about this is we have looked at the histo hi historical record what is worked what has not and then we also we wanted to evaluate some new materials and we contacted manufacturing for their input because course we m might come up and choose the material that then manufacturing did not have the technologies or capabilities to offer us so this is the approach that we took during our our research so for the case we told we were making a specifica specific assumption that it would be curved in design course you know i wanted it to be expandable and shrinkable but that does not seem to b be one of the choic non option we can we can really seriously explore so then we were thinking about rubber but unfortunately that has been eliminated because of the heat factor and th there might be some problems with the m how it is goes with the board and then th plastic also has this problem of melting and it is brittle it gets brittle after a while so we still had titanium and and wood available but unfortunately titanium is also been eliminated the m people in manufacturing said that you could not make d curved cases out of titanium although how apple did it with th powerbook i am not su quite sure but nevertheless they have eliminated all of our options except wood at least it is environmentally friendly so this is our finding and a as she said it is an environmentally friendly material so we are we are currently proposing we will get to all my personal preferences in just a 2nd so then there is this other matter of the chips and well we could use a simple design on the board but these simple chips but that is only works for the bu you do not get very much intelligence with this simple one and then there was the regular which i regret that i have forgotten exactly why i am eliminating that one the other option was this advanced chip on print and we liked th we we found that it it includes this infrared sender which w member the beam was that was an important component of finding the right chip and manufacturing has told us that they have recently developed a a sensor and a speaker that would be integrated into this advanced chip on print so we we now jumping right to our personal preferences i i would really think we should you know use some of some really exotic woods like you know well you guys come from tropical countries so you can kinda think of some trees and some nice woods i think that people will might really want to design their own cases you see they could do sort of a this 3 dimensional design on the internet and then they could submit their orders kinda like you submit a custom car order you know and you can choose the color and the size of the wheels and the colors of the leather and things like that and then i think we should go with the solar cells as well as the microphone and speaker on the advanced chip so this is the findings of our research and my recommendations for the new remote control w would be to have have it be made out of wood do you have any problems with that can you go back one slide i am not sure how do i 0 i know let us see thank you let us go back up here yeah yes question what is mean exactly advanced chip on print what is the meaning of that i think it is a multiple chip design and it is maybe printed on to the circuit board i could find out more about that before the next fi next meeting yeah is it means it is on the yeah is it on a micro proc micro processor based or i do not know but i will find out more at our next meeting okay tha that would be great so if you find out from the technology background okay so that would be good sounds good why was the plastic eliminated as a possible material because it gets brittle cracks we want we expect these these remote controls to be around for several 100 years so good ex good expression whic wow good expression which well after us i do not know speak for yourself i am planning to be around for a while although i think i think with wood though you would run into the same types of problems would not you i mean it chips it if you drop it it is i am not su so so you are not convinced about the the wood yes actually i am ready to sell it you are what i am ready to sell it i think if you re if you use really good quality wood then it might work but you can not just use you think and you could you could sell oils with it to take care of it no y no no no the 0 the only w the only wood you can use are the ones that are hard extremely hard wood but there are some very pretty woods out there yeah exactly yeah well i am glad you that is actually very innovative idea okay good sorr having a hard time keeping wi control over my face well it is actually a very innovative n different idea that you know you can choose your color of wood your type of wood the stain i mean it is each person is going to have their own personalized individualized speech recognition remote control in wood that is not on the market yeah so it it is looks good the the design the functional design what about yo you in terms of comments on this or in terms of my own yes in t yes in term in terms of comments 1st in turns of wow she works in the cubicle next to me so she is she was already a little bit prepared for this y yeah luckily ed was not wood i think we can get the quality materials then it should not influence the design principles too much which you will see with my presentation one thing we would have to check though is what the users whether how quickly the novelty wears off of having yeah for example yeah you would not want to have to have splinters in your hand while you are using your so have to see how kid friendly it is and and all that but it is really good if your dog gets ahold of it they can use it for teething they do that anyway with the rubber and plastic so and chew em up yeah they do it with other materials as well yeah and chew em up okay then let us move to agnes sure 0 i am sorry s you are you are in participant 3 one3 yeah yeah this one i think so yeah yeah that is the one so it is a very short presentation cause i am actually going to draw you the layout on the board so if you want to just go straight to the 2nd slide which basically shows sort of i took the ideas that we were talking about last time and tried to put that into the remote control so the things that y you can actually see on it are the on off switch volume and channel control the menu access button ergonomic shape which i completely agree with christine is idea to have it sort of molded so it is slightly more ergonomic and comfortable to hold than the r standard very straight remote controls and actually the other thing with the wood if we take your customizing idea is that people can actually do sort of quasi measurements on their hand size so if someone has larger hands you have a wider remote control right my hand is different size than yours for example so that is actually a really good idea for customi customisability one thing i thought might be kind of interesting is to put a flip screen on it just like you have on flip phones so that you do not have this case where someone sits on the remote control or accidentally puts their hand on it especially if you have little kids around they are not pressing the buttons while you are trying to watch a t v show and accidentally change the channel or turn it off and also you had issues with the batteries running out so i thought maybe we could put a little battery life light on it that kind of goes dimmer and dimmer and dimmer as your battery is starts to die and in terms of invisible features audio and tactile feedback on button presses and like you said speech recognition so in terms of what this thing would actually look like despite working in interface design i am not the greatest artist in the world so you will have to forgive me you would have something like this with an on off switch fairly big sort of in the corner and by itself so you do not accidentally turn your t v off while you are trying to maneuver other buttons and then you have sort of one of those toggle displays for oops channels and volume sort of for surfing channels and then volume so the volume would be the up and down cause volume goes up and down and then channels left to right and then here you would have your sort of standard telephonish number pad and then on one side you would have an access to the menu on your t v and on the other side a way to turn off the voice control so that if the user does not want to use their voice they can just turn it off and you do not have the remote control accidentally changing things on you so again you can have a little l c d light somewhere the flip thing and have i forgotten anything i do not think so so as you can see it is a very very simple design which is one of the things i really wanted to keep no is keep it simple not have too many buttons not have too many functionalities thrown into it think the design can pretty much carry over to everything although with the wood the flip screen might have to do something slightly different a hinge be like a copper hinge or you know yeah but you also have to d start watching out for the weight cause depending on how much the the flip screen will add to the weight of the remote control you do not want it to start getting too heavy but that is the general layout with the general functionalities if we come up with something else as you can see there is still lots of space on the actual remote control and if you do it customisably you can make this thing fairly small or fairly 0 large depending on personal preferences so that is pretty much all i had to say i mean everything else in terms of design issues the centering of the key pad and the channel is just depending on where your thumb is and you tend to use the the volume control and the browsing more than the actual number pad so that would be sort of in direct line of where your thumb goes when you are holding the remote control the number pad a little bit lower cause it is used less frequently so once we decide exactly what we want then we can figure out the exact positioning but more or less i think it should go along those lines so what is your the comments or s simple design it is what consumers want okay it is almost like houston we have a product here problem is obviously going to be cost okay i also have a f very simple presentation because for the marketing point you have to see what the consumers want yeah yeah i also have copied a different type of remote if you can find me where i am at there should only be one in here trend watch sure it is being modified they are stealing our product we have been giving simple questionnaires in different areas because th obviously we have to see what the com consumers are looking for today cause trends change very very quickly in 6 months maybe this idea is already gone out the window so it is going to be a question how fast we can act they already erased the rest of mine huh no f go to findings no no no no no no cause i had another comment there the market trend this is what we know from the last from the questionnaires from the the all the p surveys we have done fancy and feel good that is what we have been looking for something that feels good in the hand that is easy to use looking for next generation of innovation because all the remotes out there now they are all very similar they all do the same thing we have to have something completely different okay easy to use has always has become has become another major interest that with the whiteboard we can see that it is a remote that is easy to use and i think this is another thing that is interesting is the consumers actually willing to pay the price for exciting tel technology so even if we have a product that may be more expensive if it comes out right if they look it looks and feels good and has technology the 2nd 2 you can see the last one is a very easy simple design the 2nd one there is about 45000 different buttons on it which makes it fairly hard to read very hard to use the 1st one i see that they put in a display now there is something else with the little flip up now we are adding all kinds of things in but with the little flip up if you have a little display on the flip up that when you close it everything is locked yeah maybe the display also makes it easier to use because sometimes when you are looking for buttons maybe if you see a display context sensitive instructions depending on what the tel what mode the t v or the d v d or something else is in right okay because i have seen mostly the standard ones yeah especially you might need something like that for training the speech recognition and yeah now you have it now you have one with the very simple also the idea is simple but with a display so you can see what you are doing so maybe if we can incorporate the easiness of use trendy fancy feels good with a display wood designer wood designer colors we might have you know maybe what you could do is when somebody orders the device id you could send them like a b some sort of a foam rubber ball 0 yeah and then they would squeeze it and it would take the shape of their hand yeah so it is really molded to to your specific to t an and then you would know like what the geometry of their hands would be and how hard they squeeze yes you would know what kind of wood to get resistance resistance right but th for that you would also have to do sort of an average across families and things like that if unless everyone has their own personal remote that is right that is right you would not want to go too far down that 0 that that actually would increase the the revenues we could expect yeah the sales yeah the yeah i hope so no but incorporating the 3 obviously it would be something totally new on the market totally different and from yeah well already the customisability is a really good sort of new gimmick although what it was it it was nokia that came out with this changeable colors right you take it apart and put on another face take it off and put on another face and then they sold 1000000s 1000000s yeah yeah right and that took off yeah yeah so so say with the f with the findings with the research easy to use something totally new we have to come up with something totally new that is not on the market we would also have to wor consider that who we were going to get to make these custom cases in terms of manufacturing processes we might want to learn about labor laws you know in different countries and stuff wher so we can do it cheap but you do not want to exploit labor in 3rd world countries yeah so actually you could turn it y turn around and say that you are par the reason the cost is high for the device is because you are paying a a working wage to the person who made the device yeah but we can get a production in countries like india yes yes cost of living is low countries like india or china or malaysia so you can go a better features and better price and you can sell more so good well th that would be something that manufacturing would have to explore more and to where yeah yeah so yeah where w where it would be manufactured is is yes so another step yeah so yeah we are here to design yes but that that we can that we can talk about the production later okay depends on the the quantity okay come up with a nice product so we do not need to have our own fabric factory or something so we can have a tie up with who the do the fabric okay for the different electronics items then we can have a business tie up and to get to cut the cost okay to sell more so but le let us decide 1st about the components concept and interface concept okay if is acceptable for both of you what ed was talking and your design whether you want with the display or without display or just a simple so i think it depends i mean i think it is a good idea but we need to really think about how useful it is going to be because theoretically with the t v you already have a big display right in front of you yeah so if we are trying to keep costs down then maybe sacrificing the display is a way to go i mean it depends on how much putting a display costs and what it would be used for very specifically what it would be used for cause if it is only used for one little thing then putting in a big display case or a big display that is probably expensive just to do the training on the chip for the speech recognition or whatever may not be the most cost efficient way to go but that is just sort of speculation i mean what do you think ed do you he liked the display in one of the concepts that you showed do you know how much it costs to to add a little display like this no no no p spec it is cause we have to find out cost on it do you want to take an action item to go find out okay sorry about that no that is no problem i am here for the pushing it after it is made yes i will market it once we get a price on it then we can market it so the the advanced chip on print is what what we have we have deci we have determined and the engineering industrial design is the recommendation and i think we have kinda come to some agreement regarding this concept of a wooden case a customisable and nice beautiful mahogany red wooden case what about the buttons would would the buttons be wood too or i do not think so no i think they could be rubber like they are now so you have that tactile experience of i do not think so yes yes do not looks nice yeah so what we will do is we will stick with the the simple design for time being until th ed find outs about the how much it is cost to the extra in case we go for the display okay so maybe what you can do is both of you you can come up with the the prototype okay the model okay okay sure so are we done with this meeting yeah i hope if is it okay if they will come up with the prototype design okay then they can show you how it looks like and then we can submit to the i will submit to the management okay then meantime you can come up with the price how much it is cost as extra for the display and a marketing strategy an and the marketing strategy that is very important okay and marketing strategy thank you yes how much you can fired how mu how much how much you can sell extra of course you will make money too so it it is not only pay out you make money too your commission okay so any questions no so by next meeting so please come up with the the prototype okay then then we can proceed from there okay it is okay so thanks for all your efforts and coming for the meeting again and see you soon then okay okay thank you
welcome back after lunch good lunch together for this meeting the main agenda okay to discuss about the conceptual design meeting okay and the agenda will be the opening and that is the project manager or secretary that is me and the presentations from the christine and agnes and permitory ed and finally in this meeting we have to decide and we have to take a decision on the remote control concepts and the functional design so we have 40 minutes i think it is a little bit little bit low but i hope we can finish it up so i will hand out to the the functional team to the christine okay to discuss about the components concept okay so if you could open the powerpoint presentation i am number 2 number 2 okay components design there we go so can we put it in slideshow mode yeah right here that one yes please thank you i will take the mouse so we are looking specifically at the component the following components the case the power supply the means of communications with the television set and then since we had talked about using some sort of speech recognition you have to have a microphone well no you do not actually have to have a microphone in the device but maybe you do have a way it has to hear the speaker so it could be in the television set it could be in the device but somewhere you have to put the microphone and a way of making beeps or sounds so you can find it when it gets lost so the other thing that we so our method for going about this is we have looked at the historical record what is worked what has not and then we also wanted to evaluate some new materials and we contacted manufacturing for their input because of course we might come up and choose a material that then manufacturing did not have the technologies or capabilities to offer us so this is the approach that we took during our research so for the case we were making a specific assumption that it would be curved in design of course i wanted it to be expandable and shrinkable but that does not seem to be one of the choice not an option we can really seriously explore so then we were thinking about rubber but unfortunately that has been eliminated because of the heat factor and there might be some problems with how it goes with the board and then plastic also has this problem of melting and it is brittle it gets brittle after a while so we still had titanium and wood available but unfortunately titanium is also been eliminated the people in manufacturing said that you could not make curved cases out of titanium although how apple did it with the power book i am not quite sure but nevertheless they have eliminated all of our options except wood so this is our finding and as she said it is environmentally friendly material so we are currently proposing we will get to all my personal preferences in just a 2nd so then there is this other matter of the chips and well you could use a simple design on the board but these simple chips but that is only works for the buttons you do not get very much intelligence with this simple one and then there was the regular which i regret that i have forgotten exactly why i am eliminating that one the other option was this advanced chip on print and we found that it includes this infrared sender which remember the beam was that was an important component of finding the right chip and manufacturing has told us that they have recently developed a sensor and a speaker that would be integrated into this advanced chip on print so we now jumping right to our personal preferences i would really think we should use some of some really exotic woods like you know well you guys come from tropical country so you can kind of think of some trees and some nice woods i think that people might really want to design their own cases you see they could do sort of a this 3 dimensional design on the internet and then they could submit their orders kind of like you submit a custom car order you know and you can choose the color and the size of the wheels and the colors of the leather and things like that and then i think we should go with the solar cells as well as the microphone and speaker on the advanced chip so this is the findings of our research and my recommendations for the new remote control would be to have to be made out of wood do you have any problems with that can you go back one slide i am not sure 0 i know let us see it let us go back up here yes question what is mean exactly advanced chip on frame what is the meaning of that i think it is a multiple chip design and it is maybe printed on a onto the circuit board i could find out more about that before the next meeting yeah is it on a micro poster based or i do not know but i will find out more in our next meeting okay that would be great so if you find out from the technology background okay so that will be good sounds good why was the plastic eliminated as a possible material because it gets brittle cracks we expect these remote controls to be around for several 100 years wow good expression good expression well after us i do not speak for yourself i think with wood though you would run in to the same types of problems would not you i mean it chips if you drop it it is i am not sure so you are not convinced to actually i am ready to sell it i am ready to sell it if you use really good quality wood then it might work but you can not just use you can sell oils with it to take care of it the only wood you can use are the ones that are hard extremely hard wood but there is some very pretty woods out there that is actually a very innovative idea okay good sorry i am having a hard time keeping control over my face well it is actually a very innovative a different idea that you can choose your color of wood your type of wood the stain i mean each person is going to have their personalized individualized speech recognition remote control in wood that is not on the market yeah so it looks good the design the functional design what about you in terms of comments on this or in terms of my own yes in terms of wow she works in the cubicle next to me so she was already a little bit prepared for this yeah luckily ed was not would i think if we can get the quality materials then it should not influence the design principles too much which you will see with my presentation one thing we would have to check those with the users whether how quickly the novelty wears off of having yeah you would want to have to have splinters in your hand while you are using it so i have to see how kid friendly it is and all of that but if your dog gets a hold of it they can use it for teething i do that anyway with rubber and plastic so yeah they do it with other materials as well yeah and chill them up okay then let us move to agney sure your input is in part of 3 yeah this one i think so yeah yeah that is the one so it is a very short presentation because i am actually going to draw you the layout on the board so if you want to just go straight to the 2nd slide which basically shows sort of i took the ideas that we were talking about last time and tried to put that into the remote control so the things that you can actually see on it are the on off switch volume and channel control the menu access button ergonomic shape which i completely agree with christine is idea to have it sort of molded so it is slightly more ergonomic and comfortable to hold than the standard very straight remote controls and actually the other thing with the wood if we take your customizing idea is that people can actually do sort of quasi measurements on their hand size so if someone has larger hands you have a wider remote control my hand is different size than yours for example so that is actually a really good idea for customizability one thing i thought might be kind of interesting is to put a flip screen on it just like you have on flip phones so that you do not have this case where someone sits on the remote control or accidentally puts their hand on it especially if you have little kids around they are not pressing the buttons while you are trying to watch a tv show and accidentally change a channel or turn it off and also you had issues with the batteries running at so i thought maybe we could put a little battery lifelight on it that kind of goes dimmer and dimmer and dimmer as your battery starts to die and in terms of invisible features audio and tactile feedback on button presses and like you said speech recognition so in terms of what this thing would actually look like despite working in interface design i am not the greatest artist in the world so you will have to forgive me you would have something like this with an on off switch fairly big sort of in the corner and by itself so you do not accidentally turn your tv off while you are trying to maneuver other buttons and then you have sort of one of those toggle displays for oops channels and volume sort of for surfing channels and then volume so the volume would be the up and down volume goes up and down and then channels left to right and then here you would have your sort of standard telephone ish number pad and then on one side you would have an access to the menu on your tv and on the other side a way to turn off the voice control so that if the user does not want to use their voice they can just turn it off and you do not have the remote control accidentally changing things on you so again you can have a little lcd light somewhere the flip thing and have i forgotten anything i do not think so so as you can see it is a very very simple design which is one of the things i really wanted to keep is keep it simple not have too many buttons not have too many functionalities thrown into it i think the design can pretty much carry over to everything although with the wood the flip screen might have to do something slightly different a hinge it would be like a copper hinge or you know but you just have to start watching after the weight because depending on how much the flip screen will add to the weight of the remote control you do not want it to start getting too heavy but that is the general layout with the general functionality we come up with something else as you can see there is still lots of space on the actual remote control and if you do it customizably you could make this thing fairly small or fairly large depending on personal preferences so that is pretty much all i had to say i mean everything else in terms of design issues the centering of the keypad and the channel is just depending on where your thumb is and you tend to use the volume control and the browsing more than the actual number pad so that would be sort of an direct line of where your thumb goes when you are holding the remote control the number pad a little bit lower because it is used less frequently so once we decide exactly what we want then we can figure out the exact positioning but more or less i think it should go along those lines so what is your the comments or simple design consumers want okay it is almost like houston we have a product here problem is obviously going to be cost okay i also have a very simple presentation from the marketing point you have to see what the consumers want i also have copied a different type of remote if you can find me wherever i i am at and there should only be one in here matt try and watch sure it is being modified they are stealing our product we have been giving simple questionnaires in different areas because obviously we have to see what the consumers are looking for today because the trends change very very quickly in 6 months 6 months maybe this idea has already gone out the window so it is going to be a question of how fast we can act they already erased the rest of mine now no go to find no no no because i had another comment there the market trend this is what we know from the last from the questionnaires and all the surveys we have done fancy and feel good that is what we have been looking for something that feels good in the hand that is easy to use looking for a next generation of innovation because all the remotes out there now they are all very similar they all do the same thing we have to something completely different okay easy to use has always become has become another major interest that with the whiteboard we can see that it is a remote that is easy to use and i think this is another thing that is interesting is the consumers actually willing to pay the price for exciting technology so even if we have a product that may be more expensive if it comes out right if they did not it looks and feels good and has technology the 2nd 2 you can see the last one is a very easy simple design the 2nd one there is about 45000 different buttons on it which makes it fairly hard to read very hard to use the 1st one i see that they put in a display now there is something else with a little flip up now we are adding all kinds of things in but with a little flip up if you have a little display on the flip up and when you close it everything is locked yeah maybe the display also makes it easier to use because sometimes when you are looking for buttons maybe if you see a display context sensitive instructions right okay depending on what the mode the tv or the dvd or something else is in especially mostly the standard ones now you have one with a very simple also the idea is simple but with a display so you can see what you are doing so maybe if we can incorporate the easiness of use trendy fancy feels good with a display wood designer wood designer colors maybe what you could do is when somebody orders the device you could send them like some sort of a foam rubber ball 0 yeah and then they would squeeze it and it would take the shape of their hands yeah so it is really molded to your specific and then you would know like what the geometry of their hands would be how hard they squeeze resistance right but for that you would also have to do sort of an average across families and things like that that is right unless everyone has their own personal remote 0 that actually would increase the revenues you would expect yeah i hope so no but incorporating the 3 obviously be something totally new on the market yeah totally different well already the customizability is a really good sort of well it was nokia that came out with the changeable colors right you take it apart and put it on another face take it off and put it on another face and that took off they sold 1000000s yeah 1000000s so with the findings with the research easy to use something totally new we have to come up with something totally new that is not on the market we would also have to consider that who we were going to get to make these custom cases in terms of manufacturing processes we might want to learn about labor laws in different countries and so forth so we can do it cheap but you do not want to exploit labor in 3rd world countries actually you could turn it around and say that the reason the cost is high for the device is because you are paying a working wage to the person who made the device yeah but we can get a production in countries like india yes yes countries like india or china or malaysia so you can go with better futures and better price and you can sell more good well that would be something that manufacturing would have to explore more where would be manufactured is another step we are here to design yes come up with a nice product we can talk about the production later it depends on the quantity so we do not need to have our own fabric factory or something so we can have a tie with who do the fabric okay for the different electronics items then we can have a business type and to get to cut the cost okay to sell more so but let us decide 1st about the components concept and interface concept okay if it is acceptable for both of you what ed was talking and your design whether you want with the display or without display or just simple i think it depends i mean i think it is a good idea but we need to really think about how useful it is going to be because theoretically with a tv you already have a big display right in front of you so if we are trying to keep costs down then maybe sacrificing the display is a way to go i mean it depends on how much putting a display costs what it would be used for very specifically what it would be used for because if it is only used for one little thing then putting in a big display case or a big display that is probably expensive just to do the training on the chip for the speech recognition or whatever may not be the most cost efficient way to go but that is just sort of speculation i mean what do you think ed do you like the display in one of the concepts that you showed do you know how much it costs to add a little display like this no no you want to take an action item to go find out because we have to find out of cost on it okay sorry about that no that is no problem i am here for pushing it after it is made i will market it once we get a price on it then we can market it so the advanced chip on print is what we have determined and the engineering industrial design is the recommendation and i think we have kind of come to some agreement regarding this concept of a wooden case a customizable nice beautiful mahogany red wooden case would the buttons be wood too or i do not think so i do not think so no i think they could be rubber like they are now so you have that tactile experience yeah so what we will do is we will stick with the simple design for time being until the ad find out about the how much it is cost is extra in case we go for the display okay so maybe what you can do is both of you you can come up with the prototype the prototype okay the model okay okay sure so are we done with this meeting i hope is it okay if they will come up with the prototype design okay then they can show you how it looks like and then we can submit to the i will submit to the i will come into the management okay then in the time you can come up with the price how much it is cost is extra for the display and a marketing strategy and a marketing strategy that is very important fired how much you can sell extra of course you will make money too so not only fired you make money too your commission okay so any questions no so by next meeting so please come up with the prototype okay then we can proceed from there okay okay so thanks for all your efforts and coming for the meeting again and see you soon then okay okay thank you i am going to