alright yeah crack on okay so we will start off with a quick overview of the minutes i think to sum up the last meeting would be to say the requirements that we have set out those are we were going to go for what seemed to be a fairly minimal design based on a small joystick l c d and a couple of other buttons for navigation with power being i suppose one of the main single purpose buttons we were also going to use novelty of being able to locate the remote control again via a small transmitter with any luck the idea to try and separate us and also because of the minimal design looks like we will be able to be fairly adventurous in the actual physical shape of our remote control with any luck that pretty much sums up the last one so we will just crack on like to maybe start with the industrial designer if it is possible okay the con today is the concep today i will just this meeting is the conceptual design phase and is sorry about this and is to cover things like what the parts might be made of can we outsource these from elsewhere will we have to construct any items ourselves i have a presentation i just saved it in the the folder yeah okay well i will just i will load it up then which one do y 0 interface concept yeah that is me that is you we have got trend watching that is you it is components design components design okay alright so the case le that is what i wrote 1st of all could be plastic our plastic but later on we found out that it can be rubber as well or titanium or even wood so we decide what it is going to be probably plastic we need the infra red transmitter get that off the shelf joystick we will probably if we are going to use it could be plastic w or rubber even as well if you go on to the next slide if you go on to f findings it is like 2 or 3 slides down right okay so this is what i found we can use 3 different types of batteries can either use a hand dynamo or the kinetic type ones you know that they use in watches or else a solar powered one okay now the kinetic one we have cause that is the ones where like you the movement causes it cost is yeah yeah the bat the battery for a a watch would not require a lot of power would be my one query is a kinetic one going to be able to supply enough power there is also a watch moves around a great deal more do you think yeah w yeah i do not think it would and solar cells i dunno about that yeah we should probably just use conventional batteries just like in usual remote controls which i suppose as well would allow us to go off the shelf again you would say yeah and these are 3 different types of or 2 different types 3 different types of shapes you can have one is a flat one and then more original ones are single curved one or one with a double curved the materials are tha there as you can see but you can not have a titanium one for a double curved which would be titanium the really strong metal titanium yeah and light is it not also it is expensive i think so as well yeah they make mountain bikes out of that do not they so it is really light as well curious i do not know if you would be able to off the top of your head or not the single curved and double curved would you be able to give an example could you maybe draw something t yeah i you do not does not have to be perfect it is just cause i am not quite sure if i understand the difference between the 2 well for a curved well i was thinking to f for to sit in your the palm of your hand maybe like this with the joy pad here joystick here and maybe an okay button around here so that the thumb can use it quite easily i do not exactly double curved it probably means this is probably double curved whereas a single curved would be like that i guess or not necessarily so it might literally just be okay 2 curves yeah like that whereas this is 2 curves so i guess that is what they mean by double curve alright which obviously it looks better than the single curve but you can not have it in titanium which is a nice material and for the buttons it can have the scroll wheel which they use in mouses for com p c s but it requires a more expensive chip to use and if you want to use l c d it is even more expensive so you have to decide there is trade offs there if you want the buttons to be 0 yeah if you have a double curve control and it is rubber then you have these rubber buttons as well but you are going to ha i reckon you are going to have to have key a number keypad anyway for the amount of channels these days you would not want to just have to scroll through all the channels to get to the one you want you want to enter just the number of it if you know it so i reckon we are going to have to have a number keypad anyway do you think okay that was definitely something we can talk about so you have got a little bit about the the chip that we might require as well yeah so depends where going to spend the money if you want the f fancy l c d display do you have any idea so far like when we are saying that we would need an advanced chip for an l c d does that in shoot the cost up by a drastic amount or need an advanced chip for the l c d is that did i well i think compared to say just pressing buttons yep advanced like 386 advance if you press a button that sends a certain transmission through the infra red whereas i think if we are controlling the l c d we definitely require a much more powerful chip okay just compared to the chip you would use for pushing buttons i think is the the point being made okay sure if i have not over stepped yeah yeah i okay should i go on or go back if we only have £12 50 €12 not even £12 €12 what is that like £8 or something like that £9 well we would also be relying on the the bulk buying in producement and such okay that is good point i assume we have to look into the costs of those so sorry the previous slides just explain what is in the internal components of the remote control if you go to the one before that so it just says what it does translate the key press into an infra red signal and this is received by the t v the chip just needs to detect the signal or detect the key press and then it will send it to the tr the amplifier okay and then the next slide just shows how the copper wires interact with the buttons the rubber buttons to get sent to the chip so that is just how the control works inside we have to decide on what buttons we are going to use okay so in the information that you have been supplied how feasible would you say that the idea of using an l c d looks i think we can do it if we use conventional batteries and not have solar cells or kinetic and then maybe use single curved case because we might need it to be curved for the thumb to use the joyst joystick easily and then you will need the advanced chip obviously for the l c d i mean that sounds like quite a good requirement to me conventional battery would seem to make sense i am not sure if there is any cost differences between single and double curved and i am i do not know about anybody else but plastic or rubber as a traditional form of casing would seem to be a good way forward i am actually going to be bold and go oo go straight for rubber for reasons i will go into in more detail okay i also have a preference for rubber okay well based on my research yeah well will we move on to user interface and yeah sorry as long as were you yep i am finished yeah okay and d d d interface concept yep now i am going to have to work between the the slides and the yeah and the white board cause i actually i have some fairly concrete things this time i was given a an h t m l file giving various ideas from from other previous remote control designs and pretty much decided to just dump them all i was not very impressed by them and they did not seem to re nothing i saw seemed to meet the sorts of design specifications that we are going for today so what i ra rather than looking at other remotes ra oomp be better to simply look at the human hand and try and f and try and figure out a way of laying out the elements we have already decided on so that if r a if so that the finger is e each finger or thumb is wherever it needs to be already so next slide if you please and what we have basically decided on was the the the joy the joystick 2 function buttons and the l c d just keep it paired down to the absolute minimum i do not actually think we need the the numeric keypad because if you m because one of the menus that we could have available v via via the l c d is one where you scroll through channels so if there is something f and be bear in mind since this is not meant to work for digital ah okay f f f for di for digital or or for or for cable whatever you are basically looking at 4 or 5 terrestrial channels and then your v c and then the channel through your v c r and or d v d player and or box so it is not i am not really excessively concerned about that you must have 22 modes basic mode where the joystick is left right left right for channels up down for volume and the and the menu mode for further functions now the reason i was particularly interested in using rubber for this is that if we are going to have a highly ergonomic design it needs to be ergonomic for left or right handed people so you can i just jump in slightly there that would suggest the double curved design is probably going to be most appropriate then yes absolutely okay basi basically what i basically what the what be having i would say the the whole thing articulated at 2 points so that if you if you are handing it from a lef left or right handed user you can adjust it so that the the l c the l c d and the the joystick would be in the right place and also this is a rather nicer de design gimmick that the the you know the whole thing you know it should have sort of organic feel to it that it should be you know soft to touch and can be moved around all nice okay on to on to the next to the next slide okay yeah just to let you know we will probably be quite tight for time as well because i think you have probably got a lot you would like to say i guess okay yeah kay basically i can add pretty pictures to this the assuming the hand the hand to be in about sort of this position hol holding the remote the the joystick unit should rest over the the joint of the f of the 4 finger so that it is directly accessible for the thumb and it would need t there would need to be a it would need to be articulated just below that so that it could be switched around for left or right handed users so you then have a grip section that can be more or less the same irrespective of handedness you just have big 2 big buttons that cover most of the area so it can in the upper part one for the 4 finger one for the middle finger and that is this the joystick th this part here is the joystick this would be the actual grip probably where you would want to have the battery as well okay that would be probably the bulkiest part and you then have at the at the bottom the l c d and this would need to be articulated as well and basically i would want this to rest here right at the base of the wrist so it would fit just nicely in the hand and again this part could be rotated so it can so so so that it can be adjusted to either left or right handed user so the t the top function button in basic mode would be the on off switch and menu mode would be the enter button and then the bottom function buttons switches between between modes now programming it actually thi this is one thing i have found with the replacement remote control programming them can be a right pain so i thought th the simplest way around that would be to have a cable to connect it to the computer some some fair iv fairly fairly simple software on the computer just so that you on your computer just so that you could pr program it at a rather in a rather more comfortable interface and you could download programs for it from for t v s from all sort of main manufacturers though you i it would be necessary to have have a m have a ha have a mode for programming it without the computer just in case there are there are still people left out there who do not have them yet but yeah okay that is that is my idea excellent right kay file open we go trend watching okay so to gather my research 2 basic methods we compared whether people want the remote control to do a lot of stuff or they want it to look cool and then we we research fashion trends in europe what is what is the new black you know as it goes okay next slide please we found in order of importance people want the remote control to look cool more than they want it to to be cool as in they want it to do a lot of good s they want it to look like it does a lot and if it does do a lot that is a bonus but they do not care so much you know they want it to be that is sounds a bit like a contradiction technology technical technologically innovative people want it to be that but s still they care more about the way it looks than what it does so like the interface is really important and easy to use it it just so happens that from the 2nd point to the 3rd point is twice as important i mean the 2nd point is twice as important as the 3rd point people want it i is it has to be cooler than easy to use you know if it has the newest features even if it is difficult to use prefer it to have the newest features and if it is easy to use that is a bonus the fashion now this is seems a bit odd to me but fruit and veg is the new is the new black for furniture for clothes for shoes how that relates to a remote control i do not know but i i see i come on to that in the next in the next slide spongy i have als i have been saying everything is the new black well spongy is the new black as well so we have the choice between rubber and plastic if it is the type of rubber that you can squeeze you know it is spongy then can i skip the rest 0 yeah i forgot to mention that the rubber material is the type of stress ball material not just normal rubber okay okay so kinda spongy material forgot to say that so so my personal opinion okay we want something fancy and techni technologically innovative obviously but what we what we need is something that looks like it is from the future that looks cool that is that is different you know that is everyone has a white remote control black remote control you need something cool like titanium is cool but it is expensive and maybe it is a bit of overkill for a remote control now the fruit and veg options either we we go in that direction or we stay totally away from it i mean the research did come up with fruit and veg so maybe it is important for it is the up to the interface guy so if we stay away from it s you know stay away from it but if we are going to go along with it then it does not necessarily have to be like an apple or something like that or a kiwi fruit it could be something like i say potato peeler but i am sure you guys have a have a much cooler idea than i do so i think cool is the key few questions about a spongy remote control i have never seen one before i have seen plastic remote controls i think maybe they were i do not know back in the day when they 1st came up with remote controls they had a reason for it being sturdy you know for being strong and sturdy so if we want something strong and sturdy i say stay with plastic or titanium but if we go with spongy we can stress that you can drop this as many times as you want it does not matter it is spongy material it is not going to break you know i just do not know how the l e d and the lights are going to fit into a spongy material because it is not going to be completely squeezable so how do things fit it and if we are going to use spongy we can say it is long lasting you know it is damage resistant and stuff like that so so just to summarize people want stuff that is cool that is that looks like it is cool and if it is cool then that is a bonus does not have to be people like fruit and veg we can either go down that alley or stay totally away from it people like spongy material if we are going to use spongy material we have to think of how practical it is and how we can further promote that idea and also this was this year so things change all the time every year you know they they always talk about this year this is the new black well next year something else is going to be the new black and we are stuck with last year is fruit and veg type stuff kay okay that is me well i would say that the most you could probably hope for is gaining a year is lead on most people anyway you always have to bring out new designs so if we can get next year then that is possibly a good place to start anyway seems like a a lot of the components could be off the shelf so i do not exactly what cost would be incurred i can see your point about the number keypad but i have i would say that we can probably incorporate it into the menu system if you need to do traversal of a large number of channels yeah my feeling would be that even if at a later date this was to be taking control of boxes as well having the use of the l c d and the joystick would probably allow you to manipulate enough channel numbers for you to be yeah actually if you have got a lot of channels the number keypad can be quite annoying as well becau it is you know if you are trying to remember what you know what number is the discovery channel or whatever that is a good point it is just irritating you can incorporate names into the menu but if you h but but but if you have a me but if you have a menu structure then you can sub group them okay even news music so you okay like they do on sky digital kinda yeah yeah so what it looks like to me is we will use a large number of standard components say something like lithium ion battery the kind that you find in most small hand held devices now looks like we going for a double curved design i do not know what cost implications there are in that looks like we are pretty much decided on some kind of flexible rubber though i would have to say depending on how flexible it is we might need to have some kind of inner frame yeah i i would say definitely i mean i mean i mean the the idea of having it sort of articulated i th there would be basically 2 points of articulation w one below and one above the m the the main sort of grip do you think there is any way we could maybe remove the articulation so i can see why it looks appealing but it could be a weak point in the structure do you think that would be a worry of mine if you are going with the fruit and veg thing looks like a banana i d i do not thi i do not think that it would be a a structural weakness f if you want to design it that way i mean if you have a firm s sub structure you can then incorporate articulation into that if you then have a sort of outer skin of flexible spongy rubber then you have something that is you know very much you know organic and i think would look rather co i mean mi rather cool i mean my drawing there does not does not do it justice it makes it makes it look more a little bit more like a vibrator than a than a than a remote control but yeah we will not add that functionality okay course not however one interesting point is i do not know how serious you were there but we if we take some of the ideas why do not we make the damn thing yellow to incorporate the des the color of the logo yeah sure yeah okay i dunno it is an certainly a different color from your average make it harder to lose as well yeah that is true sure was there anything in your research the noise for when you lose the banana f yeah for when you lose the remote control it could be like a a monkey noise or something like that rather than a standard beep beep y you know you lose the monkey the banana monkey y you lose the banana you press a button and you hear like monkey screams or something like that to direct you towards the banana i th i mean if it i think that is something that could perhaps be programmable though maybe have monkey as default s 0 i was going to talk about the programmable remote control now i think it would be cool if you had one remote control that could work with all t v s you know you s you click a button and it finds the frequency that works with your particular television but why you would need to program it like as as a standard feature i i do not know well basi basically the for f for i mean e each manufacturer will have a partic will have a particular command set that the t v responds to it is not simply a matter of frequency yeah so usually what is done is you have this big booklet full of different possi you will have all of them sort of programmed in to the remote and you will have this little booklet of codes you then find your ma find your manufacturer and try the different codes that come under that manufacturer is name til you find the right one that is because televisions they do not give the remote control any type of feedback when you send it it is yeah that is right okay so that is that is quite annoying and we probably would still have to do that but if we had some sort of hook up to your computer as an option then if you have got a computer you can avoid that rather irritating thing an interesting point is that if the person does not have the computer we can still make the process easier because instead of having to look up codes maybe we can have it that one of the options they have is that they look up the name of the company on the l c d and then they maybe look up different names of different actual units that have been produced yeah yeah or we have the remote control just go through them until it is like does this do the correct function and such is it is it actually a book of names to digits or is it like a few pages booklet some pages i was just thinking if we were to store this information some type of mapping this person probably need to use this feature like once you know when you 1st buy the remote control or whenever they buy a new television so once every s yeah does not have to be used very often that is right yeah yeah and it is yeah but it is a but it is a nuisance and it is a nuisance very close to the to to actually purchasing it so it is something that you are likely to be thinking about if you if there is w i if there is one in the shop that is that says it can avoid much of that nuisance you might be favorably inclined towards it okay this just to give us a rough idea of what we are meant to be doing for the next stage i am pretty sure that you got that anyway this is the conceptual one i think we have come up i think we have covered everything we need to here i think we have decided on what you know decided on standard items for most of rubber and such so we are now looking at the detailed design and what we need to be doing for the next meeting so for example i will just start at the top you have got yourself and the industrial designer going to be working quite closely at this stage cause it will be hard not to obviously looking from prototyping of some des description using clay i suppose you will be told a lot more about that as progress the user interface design they are kind of it looks they are the idea i have pushed forward so far is maybe more of a physical one there whereas possibly be more interested in maybe how the l c d is going to incorporate do you think or do you s perceive that most the design design decisions still need to be based on the physical layout well i i think other than ge getting a sort of more esthetically pleasing form for it mo most of the sort of layout design decisions are are made i would say but then again the the menu structure to to a considerable extent that is going to vary according to the model of television and also any customisations that the user might wish to incorporate so and one of the nice things about having an l c d and a menu structure is that there is that flexibility to it that is very true okay got product evaluation as well yeah you see i do not some of these things kinda logically follow the others how can t product evaluation does not that come after actually seen a product prototype i i think we would be yeah no it would be more a case of how do we envisage us performing the product evaluation once we have a model to test with 0 that is the okay sure sure sure so it would be a case of do you think that just bringing users in to have them test it out maybe putting a certain number of products into the field in certain places which i suppose is quite similar or just kind of hitting the streets and you know saying this is a new remote control what do you think of the look of it okay sure at this stage we still have no no target audience or i think the target audience is pretty much anybody under the age of say maybe 60 or something ludicrous kay the reason i am saying that is we are just looking at a a replacement remote control something that is stylish so maybe you are even just maybe you are narrowing down your target audience simply by saying and it is stylish if they are buying it that often or they are maybe looking to replace something then they have got a bit of free cash so that puts them potentially in the younger age bracket maybe even single just for the reasons of excess cash flow although of course i mean at €25 i do not think we are looking at charging the earth for the device yep yeah think that is well within the normal bracket okay your idea of the u s b would i think would largely depend on the cost u s b is definitely one of the cheapest interfaces out there but it might push the cost of the overall unit up cause it would require not just the connection but the chip for communicating with the rest of the system that one might have to be based on programmable memory as well the u s b for which for the remote control the the idea was that maybe it could connect up for allowing a software interface on the p c for a larger programming due to the fact that we have gone for such a nice 0 right okay easy minimal design normally we have w definitely talking some type of but did not they just say it is just for t v or are we going to it is just for t v but for different programming it to use your t v you might hook it up to the p c okay yeah i i am not sure but i am thinking maybe that the additional cost of the u s b might be prohibitive we do not know unless it would make sense to but you are going to need some type of flash memory or something yeah i mean it is well something that does not you would not have to redo the whole thing once the batteries are changed you know once you turn off the power yeah yeah the other thing i mean it i mean it would need to ha it would need to have some sort of on board memory anyway yeah f for one for one thing because i do think that the menu system should be i mean although you know it is not going to be terribly complicated if it is just controlling one device the menu system ought to be 0 ought to be customisable and different languages different skins and stuff like that w how how how you want say the the the menu structure for flicking through channels if you have got lots of channels sure i if it was customisable as in different languages and stuff that does open it is supposed to be international right that sort of thing so it would make sense to it would make sense if you could i would say to and we would better be careful about the time as well okay we have already had the 5 minute warning so i would say yeah international would make sense you are going to look at product evaluation i am i would better start writing up a hell of a lot of crap you are going to look a bit more at the kind of the physical make up you say looks like we are going to need a maybe a kind of prototype in clay yeah we will see how that goes are we going to be supplied with the clay is what i want to know so do i think we have got an idea of where we need to go for the next meeting would you say where is the clay yeah they are going with the fashion thing like the design spongy rubber the fruit and veg this one yeah i would s that would be my my feeling yeah i th i think i would largely want to actually steer clear of the whole sort of fruit and veg thing bu but but the spongy idea i like i like it a lot we seem to have quite a general consensus that the idea of the the r rubber could be quite yeah yeah i having it i having it sort of br bright yellow i think that is quite a good idea though maybe we could have options for colors as well yeah and again this has the advantage of being harder to lose sure i mean we are trying to promote a remote control but we want to keep the company brand as well so yeah so we always need to remember that somewhere we are meant to be getting the slogan on possibly i am think i am not sure but i am seeing a little bit of space around maybe the joystick area which could be used yeah i was like like i said before i i think we should have the r r on the on the top function button okay and i think that says it all really i think so too right see everybody in a half hour sa
all right yep just a lot okay so we will start off with a quick overview of minutes i think to sum up the last meeting would be to say the requirements that we have set out are we were going to go for what seemed to be a fairly minimal design based on a small joystick lcd and a couple of other buttons for navigation with power being one of the main single purpose buttons we were also going to use a novelty of being able to locate the remote control again via a small transmitter with any luck the idea to try and separate us and also because of the minimal design it looks like we will be able to be fairly adventurous in the actual physical shape of our remote control without any luck i pretty much sums up the last one so we will just crack on i would like to maybe start with the industrial designer if it is possible today is the concept today this meeting is the concept conceptual design phase and is to cover things like what the parts might be made of can we can we outsource these from elsewhere well we have to construct the items ourselves i have a presentation here i just say that in the yeah okay i will just load it up then which one 0 interface concept that is you we have got trenwatching that is you components design components design it is okay all right so so the case that is what i wrote 1st of all it could be plastic our plastic but later on we found out that it can be rubber as well or titanium or even wood so we decide what it is going to be probably plastic we need the infrared transmitter get that off the shelf joystick we will probably if we are going to use it could be plastic or rubber even as well if you go on to the next slide if you go on to findings it is like 2 or 3 slides there all right so this is what i found you can use 3 different types of batteries can you either use a hand dynamo or the kinetic type ones you know that they are using watches or else saw the powered one now the kinetic one because that is the ones where like you the movement causes it the battery for a watch would not require a lot of power would be my one query is a kinetic one going to be able to supply enough power i do not know i will watch moves around a great deal more yeah i do not think it would and soda cells i do not know but bring the inside and all yeah you should probably just use conventional batteries just like a new from walking cross which i suppose as well would allow us to go off the shelf again you would too yeah these are 3 different types or 2 different types of shapes you can have one is a flat one and then more original ones are single curved one or one with a double curved the materials are there as you can see but you can not have a titanium one for a double curved titanium they are really strong metal titanium is it also expensive it thinks so as well they make mountain bikes in there i am curious i do not know if you would be able to off the top of your head or not the single curve is double curved would you be able to give an example could you maybe draw something you do not have to be perfect it is just because i am not quite sure if i understand the difference between the 2 well for curved well i was thinking for it to have to have to have for to sit in the palm of your hand maybe like this with the joy pad here joystick here and maybe an ok button around here so that the thumb can use it quite easy i do not exactly be double curves it probably means this is probably a double curve whereas a single curve would be like that i guess so it might literally just be 2 curves is it okay yeah like that whereas this is 2 curves so i guess that is what they mean by double curve which else it looks better than a single curve but you can not have it in titanium which is a nice material and for the buttons you can have the scroll here which they are using mouse is for pcs but it requires a more expensive chip to use and if you want to use lcd it is a more expensive so you can decide to trade off if you want the buttons to be 0 yeah if you have a double curve control on its rubber then you have to use rubber buttons as well but you are going to have i reckon you are going to have to have a number keypad anyway for the amount of channels these days you would not want to just have to scroll through all the challenges to get through when you want you want to enter just a number of it if you know it so i reckon we are going to have to have it have to have a number keypad anyway do you think okay definitely something we can talk about so you have got a little bit about the chip that we might require as well yeah so it depends where you are going to spend the money if you want a fancy lcd display do you have any idea so far when we are saying that we need an advanced chip for an lcd does that shoot the cost up by a drastic amount you need an advanced chip for the lcd often compared to say this pressing buttons advanced like if you press a button it sends a certain transmission in the fugian infrared whereas i think if we are controlling the lcd we definitely require a much more powerful chip just compared to the chip you would use for pushing buttons i think see the point being made if i have not oversteaded okay should i go on or go back if we only have £12 50 €12 not even £12 £12 we are set like £8 or something like that mind then well we would also be relying on the the bulk buying and production and such i assume we have to look into the cost of those so sorry the previous slides just explain what is in the internal components of the remote control if you go to one before that so it just says what it does translate the key press into an infrared signal and this is received by the tv the chip just needs to detect the key press and then they will send it to the amplifier okay and then the next slide shows how the copper wires interact with the buttons the rubber buttons to get sent to the chip so that is just how the control works inside you will decide on what buttons we are going to use okay you just got to say for personal preferences so in the information that you have been supplied how feasible would you say that the idea of using an lcd looks i think we can do it if we use conventional buttons and not have solar cells or connect it and then maybe use a single curved case because you might need to be curved for the thumb to use the joystick easily the lead the advanced chip in superia i mean that sounds like quite a good requirement to me conventional battery would seem to make sense i am not sure if there is any cost differences between single and double curved and i do not know about anybody else but plastic or rubber as a traditional form of casing would seem to be a good way forward i am actually going to be out bald and go straight for rubber rubber for reasons i will go into okay i also have a preference for rubber okay well based on my reasons yeah well we move on to user interface and yeah sorry as long as you yeah okay and interface concept i am going to have to work between the the slides and the whiteboard because i actually have some fairly concrete things i was given an html file giving various ideas from other previous remote control designs and pretty much decided to just dump them all i was not very impressed by them and i did not seem to really nothing i saw seemed to meet the sorts of design specifications that were going to specifications that we are going for today so rather than looking at how the remote it would be better to simply look at the human hand and try and figure out a way of laying out the elements we have already decided on so that every so that the finger is each finger or thumb is wherever it needs to be already so next slide if you please and what we basically decided on was the joystick 2 function buttons and the lcd just keep it paired down to the absolute minimum i do not actually think we need the numeric keypad because one of the menus that we could have available via the lcd is one where you scroll through channels so if there is something and bear in mind since this is not meant to work for for digital for digital or or for cable whatever you are basically looking at 4 or 5 terrestrial channels and then your vc and then the channel for your vcr and our dvd player and our set top box so it is not i am not really excessively concerned about that i also have 2 modes basic mode where the joystick is left right for channels up down for volume and the menu mode for further functions now the reason i was particularly interesting using rubber for this is if we are going to have a highly ergonomic design it needs to be ergonomic for left or right handed people can i just jump in slightly there that would suggest that double curve design is probably going to be most appropriate then yes absolutely okay basically what i am basically what this would be having i would say the whole thing articulated at 2 points so that if you are handing it from the left or right hand you you can adjust it so that the lcd and the joystick would be in the right place also it seems to be a rather nicer design gimmick that the whole thing it should have sort of organic feel to it because it should be soft to touch and can be moved around okay onto the next slide the next slide just to let you know we will probably be quite tight for time as well okay because i think you have probably got a lot you would like to say i guess yeah okay basically i will i can add pretty pictures to this the assuming the hand to be in this position not holding the remote the the joystick unit should rest over the joint of the forefinger so it is directly accessible for the thumb and it would need to be articulated just below that so that it could be switched around for left or right handed users so you then have a grip set section that can be more or less the same irrespective of handiness you just have 2 big buttons that cover most of the area so it can in the upper part one for the 4 finger one for the middle finger is this a joystick this part here is the joystick this would be the actual grip probably where you would want to have the battery as well okay that would be probably the bulkiest part and you then have at the bottom the lcd and this would need to be articulated as well and basically i would want this to rest here right at the base of the wrist so it would fit just nicely in the hand and again this part could be rotated so it can so that it can be adjusted to either left or right hand it used user so the top function button in basic mode would be the on off switch and menu mode would be the enter button and then the bottom function button switches between modes now programming it this is the whole thing i found with the replacement remote control programming them can be a right pane so i thought the simplest way that would be to have a cable to connect to the computer some fairly simple software on the computer just so that you on your home computer just so that you could program it as a rather in a rather more comfortable interface and you could download programs for it from for tvs from all the main manufacturers though you would be necessary to have a have a mode for programming it without the computer just in case there are still people left out there who do not have them yet but yeah that is my idea excellent right okay so to gather my research 2 basic methods we compared whether people want the remote control to do a lot of stuff or they want it to look cool and then we research our fashion trends in europe what is the new black you know as it goes so next slide okay we found in order of importance people want the remote control to look cool more than they want it to be cool as in they want it to do a lot of good they want it to look like it does a lot and if it does do a lot that is a bonus but they do not care so much you know they want it to be that sounds a bit like a contradiction technologically technologically innovative people want it to be that but still they care more about the way it looks than what it does so like the interface is really important and easy to use it just so happens that from the 2nd point to the 3rd point is twice as important i mean the 2nd point is twice as important as the 3rd point people want it it has to be cooler than easy to use you know if it has the newest features even if it is difficult to use to prefer it to have the newer speeches and if it is easy to use that is a bonus the fashion now this seems a bit odd to me but fruit and beds is the new black for furniture for clothes for shoes how that relates to a remote control i do not know but i see i will come on to that in the next slide spongy i have been saying everything is the new black or sponges is the new black as well so we had the choice between rubber and plastic if it is the type of rubber that you can squeeze you know it is spongy then that is good for i mentioned that the rubber material is the type of stress ball material not just normal rubber okay so kind of spongy material so my personal opinion we want something fancy and technologically innovative obviously but what we need is something that looks like is from the future that looks cool that is different you know everyone has a white remote control black remote control you need something cool like titanium is cool but it is expensive and maybe it is a bit of overkill for a remote control now the fruit and veg options either we go in that direction or we stay totally away from it i mean the research did come up with food and veg so maybe it is important it is up to the interface guy so if we stay away from it you know stay away from it but if we are going to go along with it then it does not necessarily have to be like an apple or something like that or a kiwi fruit there could be something like i say potato peeler but i am sure you guys have a much cooler idea than i do so i think cool is the key a few questions about a spongy remote control i have never seen one before i have seen plastic remote controls i think maybe they were i do not know back in the day when they 1st come up with remote controls they had a reason for it being sturdy you know for being strong and sturdy so if we want something stronger and sturdy i say stay with plastic or titanium but if we go with spongy we can stress that you can drop this as many times as you want it does not matter spongy material is not going to break you know i just do not know how the led and the lights are going to fit into a spongy material because it is not going to be completely squeezable so how do things fit in and if we are going to use spongy we can say it is long lasting you know it is damage resistant and stuff like that so just to summarize people want stuff that is cool that looks like it is cool and if it is cool then that is a bonus but it does not have to be people like fruit and veg we can either go down that alley or stay totally away from it people like spongy material if we are going to use spongy material we have to think of how practical it is and how we can further promote that idea and also this was this year so things change all the time every year you know they always talk about this year this is the new black well next year something else is going to be the new black and we are stuck with last year is fruit and veg type stuff okay that is me well i would say that the most you could probably hope for is gaining a year is lead on most people anyway you always have to bring out new designs so if we can get next year then that is possibly a good place to start anyway it seems like a lot of the components could be off the shelf so i do not know exactly what cost would be in occurred i can see your point about the numbered keyback but i would say that we can probably incorporate it into the menu system if you need to do traversal of a large number of channels my feeling would be that even if at a later date this was to be taking control of set top boxes as well the use of the lcd and a joystick would probably allow you to manipulate enough channel numbers for you to be actually if you have got a lot of channels the numbered keypad can be quite annoying as well because if you are trying to remember what numbers the discovery channel are that is a good point you can go for it names but if you have a menu structure then you can subgroup them okay you can use music like they do on that sky digital yeah yeah so what it looks like to me is we will use a large number of standard components components say something like lithium ion battery the kind that you find in most small handheld devices now looks like we would be going for a double curve design i do not know what cost implications there are in that looks like we are pretty much decided on some kind of flexible rubber for i would have to say depending on how flexible it is we might need to have some kind of inner frame yeah i would say definitely i mean the idea of having it articulated there would be basically 2 points of articulation one below and one above the main sort of grip do you think there is any way we can maybe remove the articulation i can see why it looks appealing but it could be a weak point in the structure do you think structure do you think that would be a woody of mine if you are going with the fruit and veg scene it looks like a banana i do not think that it would be a structural weakness i mean if you have a firm substructure you can then incorporate articulation into that if you then have as an outer skin of flexible spongy rubber then you have something that is very much organic and i think would look rather cool i mean my drawing there does not do it just as it makes it makes you look a little bit more like a vibrator than a remote control but yeah we will not add that functionality our one interesting point is i do not know how serious you were there but we if we take some of the ideas of a banana why do not we make this damn thing yellow to incorporate the digital the color of the logo sure yeah i do not know it is certainly a different color from your average make it harder to lose as well yeah that is true was there anything in your research the noise for when you lose the banana yeah for when you lose the remote control it could be like a monkey noise or something like that rather than understand it you know you lose the monkey that banana it is your monkey you lose the banana you press a button and you hear like monkey screams or something like that to direct you towards the banana i think that is something that could perhaps be programmable they will be half monkeys default 0 i was going to talk about the programmable remote control now i think it would be cool if you had one remote control that can work with all tvs you click a button and it finds the frequency that works with your particular television but why you would need to program it like as a standard feature i do not know well basically the for i mean each manufacturer will have a particular command set that the tv responds to it is not simply a matter of frequency so usually what is done is you have a big booklet full of different possible you will have all of them sort of programmed in to the remote you will have this little booklet of codes you then find your manufacturer and try the different codes that come under that manufacturer is name until you find the right one that is because televisions they do not give the remote control any type of feedback when you send it yeah that is right so that is quite annoying and we probably would still have to do that but if we had some sort of hookup to your computer as an office option then if you have got a computer you can avoid that rather irritating an interesting point is that if the person does not have the computer we can still make the process easier because instead of having to look up codes maybe we can have it for one of the options they have is that they look up the name of the company on the lcd and then they maybe look up different names of different actual units that have been produced or we have the remote control just go through them until it is like does us do for correct function and such is it actually a book of names to digits or is it like a few pages booklet some pages i just thinking if we were to store this information some type of mapping this person probably need to use this feature like once you know when they 1st buy the remote control or whenever they buy new television it does not have to be used very often that is right yeah and it is but it is a nuisance and it is a nuisance very close to the to actually purchasing it so it is something you are like to be thinking about if there is one in the shop that says it can avoid much of that nuisance you might be favorably inclined towards it okay this it is just to give us some rough idea of what what we are meant to be doing for the next stage i am pretty sure that you got that anyway this was a conceptual one i think we have covered everything we need to here i think we have decided on standard items for most of them rubber and such so we are now looking at the detail design and what we need to be doing for the next meeting so for example we will just start to talk you have got yourself and the industrial and designer going to be working quite closely at this stage because it will be hard not to obviously looking for phototyping of some description using clay i suppose you will be told a lot more about that as we progress the user interface design it looks like they are kind of it looks like they are the idea of push forward so far is maybe more of a physical one there whereas it would possibly be more interested in maybe how the lcd is going to incorporate do you think or do you foresee that most of the design decisions still need to be based on the physical layout well i think other than getting a more esthetically pleasing form for it most of the sort of layout design decisions are made i would say but then again the the menu structure to a considerable extent that is going to vary according to the model of television and also any customizations that the user might wish to incorporate so one of the nice things about having an lcd and a menu structure is that there is that flexibility to it that is very true okay i have got product evaluation as well yes yeah some of these things kind of logically follow the others how can product evaluation does not that come after i have actually seen a product prototype i think it would be yeah no it would be more a case of how do you envisage us performing the product evaluation once we have a model to test with 0 that is the okay sure so it would be a case of do you think that just bringing users in to have them test it out maybe putting a certain number of products into the field in certain places which i suppose is quite similar or just kind of hitting the streets and you know saying this is a new remote control what do you think it will look at it okay sure at this stage we still have no target audience i think the target audience is pretty much anybody under the age of say maybe 60 or something ludicris the reason i am saying that is that we are just looking at a replacement remote control something that is stylish so maybe you are even just maybe you are narrowing down your target audience simply by saying if they are buying it that often or they are maybe looking to replace something then they have got a bit of free cash so that puts them potentially in the younger age bracket maybe even single just for the reasons of excess cash flow well of course i mean at €25 i do not think we are looking at charging the air for the device as well within the normal bracket your idea of the usb would i think would largely depend on the cost usb is definitely one of the cheapest interfaces out there but it might push the cost of the overall unit up because we require not just the connection but the chip for communicating with the rest of the system that one might have to be based on the usb for the remote control the idea was that maybe it could connect up for allowing a software interface and the pc for a larger programming due to the fact that we have gone for such a nice easy minimal design normally definitely talking some type of but did not they just say it is just for tv or it is just for tv but for different programming it to use your tv you might hook it up to the pc i am not sure but i am thinking maybe that the additional cost of usb might be prohibitive we do not know unless it would make sense to but you are going to need some type of flash memory or something well something that does not you would not have to redo the whole thing once the batteries are changed you do not want you to turn off the power yeah i mean it would need to have some sort of onboard memory anyway for one thing because i do think the menu system should be i mean although it is not going to be terribly complicated it is just controlling one device the menu system ought to be customizable different languages different skins and stuff like that how you want say the menu structure for looking through channels if you have got lots of channels if it was customizable as in different languages and stuff that does open it is supposed to be international right it would make sense to it would make sense to and we better be careful about the time as well we have already had a 5 minute morning so i would say yeah international would make sense you are going to look at product evaluation i would better start writing up a hell of a lot of crap you are going to look a bit more at the kind of the physical makeup you see and looks like we are going to need maybe a kind of prototype in clay we will see how that goes are we going to be supplied with the clay where is the clay so i think we have got an idea of where we need to go for the next meeting would you say yeah 0 we are still going with the fashion thing like the fruit and veg the design spongy cover yeah yeah i would say that would be my i think i would large not have to actually steer clear at the holder fruit and veg thing but but the spongy i like it a lot we seem to have quite a general consensus that the idea of the real rubber could be quite yeah i do i mean you are making bright yellow and it is like that maybe we could have options for colors as well yeah and again it has the advantage of being harder to lose sure i mean we are trying to promote a remote control but we want to keep the company brand as well yeah so we always need to remember it somewhere we are meant to be getting this slogan on possibly i am not sure but i am seeing a little bit of space around maybe the joystick area which could be used like i said before i think we should have the rr on the top function button okay and i think that says it all really i think so too right we will see everybody in a half hour i 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