so we come to the 3rd meetings i have good so in the last meeting we have discussed the functional design and now we will talk about the conceptual design so we okay so i think i will do my presentation on the components concept so can you please open will talk about some specific details i am participant 2 components design this okay so the 1st thing i have done is to to made a review together with the manufactural department and have which components was available to build a remote control so for energy sources we have we have to choose between the solar energy hand dynamo and kinetic well kinetic technique to to store the energy we also we also can put a regular battery in the in the remote control this is what we have decided in the last meeting now but if we use battery yeah b f well i meant by by battery i meant i will not have a a wire between the remote control and the energy source but i did not fou we did not decide yet which kind of battery we will put inside the the remote so it is a point to discuss then the case material we have also several choices like wood rubber titanium or latex but well it is not a a re well a real issue for the from the technical point of view concerning the interface we can we can put just simple buttons or scrolls or buttons much more complicated but it also requires that the chip to process the button is more complicated so and this is the last point the choice of chips so what i have f found is that i think basic battery or kinetic energy collection is the is the better way to provide energy because i think solar energy wi will not work in a cluttered environment so so i think we can start with these 2 main things for the case well i think that titanium is is a good choice because it is trendy and it is it is well it is modern and user are are are will be very happy to have a a a nice remote for the interface i think that we can ach achieve all the desired functionalities by s just using rubber buttons simple buttons and th thus this allow to use a regular chip that are well cheaper and s so we can move to the next slide sorry yeah what is this single curved what does it mean well i i it is it is the the shape of the of the remote so it is it is not you you will have the well the the curve will fit into your hand when you grab the yo l yeah when you hold on it it is comfortable to hold yeah it is more confog f comfortable that if these it is completely flat okay yeah and the battery is it kind of a rechargeable or it does not matter yeah the that is the point the kinetic one is y you can recharge by the that that is what it means by kinetic yeah and by well by just by moving the ar your arm the well the remote will accumulate energy okay okay but i d i do not know it is if it is feasible because i do not know if yet if if the user will move enough to provide the remote all the necessary energy okay yeah yeah we we might check with our r and d department to see if they have this product ready for market yeah and yeah and so can you go to the next slide please so and that is that summarize well what i have said so you are right we can see in our r and d if the kinetic metal is sufficient to provide enough energy wha ah the department that is it so i keep in touch with the r and d department 0 yeah i take care it is all right so the titanium case is the normal case that i will show you some pictures that i have and you tell me whether they are titanium case or not all right cause i am not very sure plastic titanium or whatever yeah there is another point i want to make is that the well you have seen them i le na my presentation that i point out some why buttons are not the not the only ways you can use yeah yeah maybe n we will okay 3 yeah so the user interface is i it uses the aspect of a computer system a program which can be seen or heard or otherwise perceived by the human user and the commands and mechanism the user uses to control its operation and input data so you s this gives you the ways to input data and we have we are more we emphasize more on the graphical user interface here the idea is to represent buttons as figures diagrams symbols and on so you you can easily when you look at the symbols you understand what it is doing what is the function of this button yeah yeah so i think it makes the the interface really ea easy to use so next one graphical user interface function 5 so i can use the button the mouse maybe a graphical user interface emphasize the use of pictures yeah so next line so the here are some examples so they cluster the buttons together they group them into colonel they color them and they have different forms as well but this interface are kind of confusing basically there are too many buttons right next one yeah so some people are propose voice recognition and so ah by the way i receive an email from the from one our departments saying that the voice recognition has been used in the coffee machine for this by a company when you tell the you say good morning coffee machine and the machine are reply to you so i just got an email saying that and it seems like this voice recognition technology is ready to be used so we might consider that yeah fine supposedly the next one so somebody some people use some people use a spinning wheel th with the l c display so instead of using the buttons you have a l c d screen and then there you can u you can use that as buttons you can use that as real so so that could be an option as well touch screen i mean yeah next one and some people propose a scroll button integrated with push buttons or you may have scroll button instead of p just the push button like the one we have here next one so so there are a few aspects that i collected here so s basically this deals with special users children handicapped people old people and and prog basically they are programmable specially for children and yeah yeah and then they also secure covers to protect secure and hidden programming and battery covers that will protect your settings so but we do not have to integrate all these complicated features i am just saying that the currently in the market there are there are control there are remote controllers f customisable for different people yeah so that is the point the next one and you see this is the one where you have the protection cover maybe useful for children they migh you you they only see the buttons outside and for adults wh where you have more control you can see the one inside so the adults might want to have a key to lock that to pr so children will not touch the button inside yeah yeah s a good idea the next one so this guy this is another company that provides big buttons at i see that that is useful for old people and then you do not get it lost but for our product we do not need a big one because you have voice recognition e eventually with use yeah and you can call your remote controller if you do not know where it is t v remote controller where are you and then he will beeps and to say that i am here for example we should include speech synthesis in this case no is it possible yeah yeah yeah but as norman say if there is already a commercial product available who t who do this we we can check to integrate it i into our new remote control yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and this is another one where you can the the the part that is a v standing for the volume so there is a up arrow and a down arrow but you the see that in the v the v appears to be the down arrow on the top on the top up arrow if you up arrow there is a v like as as if it is turning down so it is confusing interface so i want to avoid this kind of thing in the design yeah yeah and here are is here is a s short summary that i summary that i compiled after the findings i found big buttons are convenient voice recognition helps push buttons scroll buttons spinning wheels can be used as navigation tools and user customisable is important and finally simplicity simplicity is the key yeah so we have many concepts there but we have to choose later on which ones are important to be used yeah and basically well i i think you it is it is it is fine you have reviewed all all the possibilities but well i if we consider that the user interface is displayed on the t v screen i do not think we nee we need much buttons in the remote since we we just have to navigate and to have a okay or enter key or things like that yeah yeah because adding wheels or scrolls makes the thing more complicated and more expensive also so okay or maybe we can include the user manual in the in the remote control and we should have just a button like help and you say and you ik you press the button help and maybe you see the the user m might in the in the t v yeah that is a good idea to have a help button a help button yeah yeah so you are display on the screen on the t v screen on t v t v screen so on the t v screen on the t v screen the how to use your remote so just you push the button and we will okay okay 0 okay so that eliminates all the complicated documentation okay yeah so wi but people are often enough looking at the help once they see the help button they say 0 this is a complicated stuff if the if no in the case where they need help in the case where they need help yeah it is a psychology in a marketing point of view okay and let us see what the market demands yeah we could just go to my presentation yeah but wel well i think it is just for user customizable for kids or old people yeah that is right i mean it just showed us the remote with an cap which could be used for kids and if you remove the so so it is the same same remote with some can be used by both kids and old people both yeah well what i s propose is that you know a remote controller i it could be a cube is a small device that looks like a cube and maybe you can just change the the buttons if you ch turn one side you get 11 buttons you turn the other side you get the other buttons so for maybe new generation people who get used to the computer they want lots of controls maybe for kids kids they like t no l they like to small well so le le let us see what what people want yeah let us see the market demand and then we can decide what what we can yeah what what market yes yes so we just made an marketing survey of what people need from our remotes and how it could be special from the other remotes and we got the best on the responses from the questionnaires we also have some prizes for the most creative solutions and we found the following solutions which we could which would be helpful for our design so 70% of the users they find their remote controls very ugly they do not find it pleasant to use in the size or usage or anything and 80% of the people they are always l i mean they are willing to spend more money if the remote control would look fancy and the current remote controls do not match well the operating behavior of the user and 75% of the users said they zap a lot and 50% say they use only 10% of the buttons so the rest of the 90% of the buttons they are not used most of the times yeah yeah yeah yes so this were the findings which we found and also they cited frustrations with the present remote controls most of 50% of the time the remote controls are lost somewhere in the room and people are always searching for them rather than watching the t v yeah and by the time they found the remote control the program is finished so they are frustrated a lot yeah and if the remote control is too complicated it takes much time to learn the functionality of it the functionalities yeah so you can just see the percentage 50% people they responded that they always lose their remotes and 34% they say that it is quite difficult to learn if it is too complex yeah so keeping in view all these findings and the frustrations i think this should be the solution for them we should have an l c d on the rem remote control 0 well w well i i i do not really see the advantage of having l c d on the on the remote control if we have a a a big screen and display on the screen big screen it is yeah of course it is fancy trendy and so on but it is it is expensive to produce and it is not really yeah i mean as our survey says that people are willing to pay more if their remotes are fancy yeah so if we have a l c d on the remote rather than looking onto the t v you just look into a remote and navigate it it is the same menu as we have saw that ipod remote control yeah yeah yeah we just play around the thing yeah but when you play with the ipod you do not have a big screen in front of you s yeah yeah you can use this screen instead of the big se screen instead of use the yeah yeah yeah if you re use the existing screen we element eliminate the l c d after all the l c d just to display and if you have the colorful screen you can make the display colorful fancy as fancy as the one on the l c d maybe even better yeah yeah so i mean this were the points which we got from the market demands yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah so i th i i well i think we we can focus on the on the fancy look on the the other one yeah more on a fancy design yeah that is fine yeah on the speech recognition if the technology is available but well i think l c d will will make us spend a lot of money for not so big results i mean that is yeah remember we have a s budget for the cost of producing the remote controller but yeah yeah yeah we have so i is so the thing is you can find out how much an l c d will cost and then we will decide again i mean that should be found out by the industrial designers maybe you can find out the price and tell us next time so price of l c d display is i if i yeah and it is always good to have an voice recognition for the remote controls and yeah and also the cost for the speech recognition yeah ask our r and d department it is for it is just for small vocabulary yeah it is 0 only for a limited vocabulary say 80 commands or so yeah we it is not yeah yeah and ho yeah yeah yeah okay and also the scroller button how much will it cost and well compared to the to s the simpl simpler simplest button yeah the scroll button from the survey we never see that people would like to have some scrolling button push push yeah because they they just they are just frightened to use the scrollings or help button yeah i think that yeah yeah i i i think that well as we have seen in the in the presentation well about 50% of the of the percent n choose the button so i think to have 5 simple button is sufficient for our functionality do not use the buttons yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it does not mean that the other buttons are not necessary or important important yeah but but they are just less used compar yeah they are not used much but the the thing is is i is that we can add a functionality on the on the t v screen like a a list of function and then you choose with the with the button to well you navigate and you yeah yeah yeah yeah so so the at most more power or maybe we can u or maybe we can make this the 10% of button more bigger than the others yeah so but if i i if we if we could have a a a display g a user interface that is very complete on the t v screen i think that just 5 buttons are sufficient yep one to go up left right down and enter and you you you just select the functionality you want to access or things like that yeah yeah you do not have to to switch to a channel to another yeah or it could be like this as the people say if they have a l c d on the remote not on the television because when you have the l c d onto the television screen you miss the picture in the background we are most focused on the commands so if you have then l c d in the remote you just have a menu yeah but and increasing and lower these signs here to change the programs and this menu when you press the menu in the l c d displays as you go on pressing the menu it faster displays volume then the program then the brightness contrast and all the stuff yeah but if you look at the l c d you you do not look at the t v screen so i i it is not really worth to get to have the image if you do not look at and accordingly you can just increase or decrease it is i if yeah and i think it is increases the cost of the the remote control if you use l c d so yeah yeah that has to be checked out i think that there is no contradiction here because if there are few buttons i you do not have to look at your your controller any more because you know where the buttons are yeah so if you want to control the screen d sh sharpness you just say sharpness and then you t turn you just press lef increase or decrease button and the same for the volume and the channel yeah if you had the speech recognition there you just shout your channel just tell your channel and then you do not even have to look at the butto at the controller so finally that wil eliminates the the need for l c d okay with the help of speech recogniser you can yeah i mean better if we could just check all the cost with l c d and also with the speech recognition yeah and then we could find which would would be a more suitable in this case yeah a and and the 3rd problem was to find the remote control always so 50% of the people say they lose the remotes so well so we we can think about a well a a vocal command like find and when the remote control hears fine well yeah just to make him beep or t where yeah you will listen to a peep special peep yeah that is right that is exactly what i mean by voice commander or it could be also something like this it is always boring to change the batteries of the remotes control yeah yeah yeah so we have some one charger there and whenever we do not use the remote control we put it in the charger put it back at the charge put yeah and when we are using that t remote and if we misplace somewhere in the charger we have a small button and just by pressing the button in the charger the remote control beeps wherever it is yeah yeah okay and that is a good idea that is simple like in phones yeah i mean it doe it also does not require a voice command because there are problems with a voice command yeah but you do not you do not have to move the the charger yeah yeah yeah i mean charger would be fixed because it is always with electricity plugged th yeah you have to keep it yeah yeah yeah if there if there there is nuff not enough battery yeah okay also and the remote is lost there is yeah yeah that is right that we can what we can do is we can program a function whereby when you press the switch off t v button the off button the remote there be s instruction on the screen please charge charge me yeah you never get it lost because every time you are off the computer the t v you are asked the the command the t v com remote controller would tell you to put it back to where to the charger it is an good reminder yeah that is right yeah so you will never get lost yeah okay maybe for some people lazy people yeah yeah because everything is programmed inside yeah yeah so it is it is it is all about strategy y and of course the final point is a fancy look as we have seen earlier the remotes which were displayed by norman they were not fancy i mean very big or something with lot of buttons they were ugly yeah yeah they i think we should have something it well the last one with the with 222 parts controller yeah with the 2 parts was original so i mean i mean i mean you see if it is like that even a kid who wants to have a control he could just plug it and use it yeah you can not avoid him but you can have an button for child lock yeah yeah so just by pressing the button with some code you t you put a lock onto the remote so that he can not use even well we can think about having on the on the on the user interface when you switch on the t v you can well write a code or choose a category or if it is kids things like that yeah that is right or maybe you have to to show some specific programs for kids and then just just yeah just push kids button so it is automatically these are probl yeah so if he i think these other 4 points they are the market demands and so it is for the user interface design and industrial design to just think so for yeah yeah so for my part i will check the prices the the prices difference of what to use where to use and s and so on yeah i think it should be clearer for us in the next meeting that th these could be included yeah i think we need to define also a s the set of vocabularies for the speech recogniser yeah because if you want say we can sort by channels or sort by t v programs you have to decide a category of vocabularies for them if numbers they are easy but if name the channel by by name well i think we can we can have just numbers for channels and you can say to your remote control like sports and then on the t v you have a list with with well with sports program playing now and and no we have a problem there you see if you have a voice commands and you are s you are watching a score on basketball score or something and if the score comes 2435 you have just say 25 and suddenly the screen the channel goes to 25 yeah it is yeah so i think there should be a prefix to some numbers that is right yeah yeah well but well e every possible word has a probability to come about of the t v so yeah i mean the the you just check all the probability that saying t v 25 and just ordinary 25 yeah yeah ordinary 25 you almost there is a probability of being said around 6070% and t v 25 yeah but well okay i dunno it will be round about one or 2% so it is better to have some prefix before the number but i i i think that the user would like wou would like to associate the channel or call the channel rather than than the numbers yeah something some code you say numbe channel number 5 of the t v correspond to something else in the channel yeah yeah so some people may want to say i want to see this channel well i that will be too big and it will be difficult for the vocabulary also or just yeah check with the v r and d department the capability of recogniser it is difficult to to just say the the name of the channel it will be difficult to say just the name of the channel because you have to s t a ch yeah but you have to to have all the name of the channel in your vocabulary well it is convenient for the user als might be you just forgot the channel name you kno only know the number or maybe yeah then the or maybe the user can create his own vocabulary just pronouncing the the name of channels and include in the vocabulary i i think that i have i think there is another way you can do is that you can if when the user ch press a button to choose the channel for example then what you can do is that the you can make the t v screen to split them into small little little squares of images where you you you have a snapshot of every channel so let us say it is a 4 by 4 matrix of the images so now what you do is f looking at the all the 16 channels available at one time you just use the control button you just you you just choose the the option you want and then you just hit the button and then you go to that channel yeah the so or lets the user create his own vocabulary so you you do not use the speech recogniser in that way of channel no just you have in the beginning you have t you have to train you have to create the vocabulary by yourself 0 okay yeah well i i also by associating each channel with the name or i i also think about another problem if if there is more than one person who is watching t v the s well the the speech r recogniser should be able to distinguish between the 2 yeah yeah and for each one has his own because i remember when i was a young child with my sister we yeah we always want to w to watch different emission at the at the same time so it is a pr it could be a problem if if well if someone passes by when you are watching t v and say 0 t v 30 and just run or you have to s yeah i want to watch this i want to watch that yeah s a and in the same lines we would have a one more problem if we are using the television in the different environments say in the factories or in the shops where there is a lot of noise and this voice commands if they fail to work yeah yeah yeah that would bring a bad name bad reputation for our company so i think we should specify some pre requirements if we want to use a voice commands say that it should be used in an silent homely environment or s something yeah or we can switch on or switch off the the special yeah yeah that is right that should be an option yeah that is well i think that is a good a good option because it is simple and simple to implement also so i think these are the practical problems so we need to take care of them in the design maybe we will discuss them in next meeting it is time to close this meeting okay well you you stay a 5 minutes okay 0 it came there on 3 minutes back so we are i think we can just press the okay yeah okay okay so i see ya thanks for your collaborations okay see you another 30 minutes
i am gonnae so we will come to the 3rd meetings i hope the lunch was good so in the last meeting we have discussed the functional design and now we will talk about the conceptual design so we will talk about some specific details i think i will do my presentation on the components concept so can you please open i am participant to couple of this design okay so the 1st thing i have done is to to make a review together with the manufacturing department and have which components was available to build a remote control so for energy sources we have to choose between solar energy and dynamo and kinetic well kinetic technique to store the energy we also we also can put a regular battery in the remote control this is what we have decided in the last meeting but if we use battery yeah well i meant by battery i meant i would not have a wire between the remote control and an energy source but we did not decide yet which kind of battery we will put inside the remote so it is a point to discuss then the case material we have also several choices like wood rubber titanium or latex but well it is not a real issue from the technical point of view concerning the interface we can put just simple buttons or scrolls our buttons are much more complicated but it also requires that the chip to process the button is more complicated so and this is the last point the choice of chips so what i have found is that i think basic battery or kinetic energy collection is the better way to provide energy because i think solar energy will not work in a cluttered environment so i think we can start with these 2 main things for the case well i think that titanium is a good choice because it is trend and it is well it is modern user are will be very happy to have a nice remote for the interface i think that we can achieve all the desired functionalities by just using rubber buttons simple buttons and thus this allows to use this allowed to use a regular chip that are well cheaper and so we can move to the next slide sorry yeah what is a single curved what does it mean well it is the the shape of the remote you will have the well then the curve will fit into your hand when you when you hold on it it is comfortable to hold yeah it is more comfortable that if it is it is completely flat yeah and the battery is a kind of rechargeable or it does not matter yeah that is the point the kinetic one is you can recharge by the that is what it means by yeah yeah well but just by moving your arm the well the well just by moving your arm the well the remote will accumulate energy but i do not know if it is feasible because i do not know if the user will move enough to provide the remote all the necessary energy we might check with our r d department to see if they have this product yeah ready for market yeah and so can you go to the next slide please so and that is summarized what i have said so you are right we can see in our r d if the kinetic method is sufficient to provide enough energy that is it so i will keep in touch with the r d department so the titanium case is the normal cast that i will show you some pictures that i have and you tell me whether there are titanium case or not right yeah plastic titanium or whatever there is another point i want to make is that the well you have seen in my leg my presentation later on i will point out some why buttons are not the not the only ways you can use yeah maybe okay 3 yeah so the user interface is a it deals is the aspect of a computer system or program which can be seen or heard or otherwise perceived by the human user and the commands and mechanism the user uses to control its operation and input data so it just gives you the ways to input the data and we have a we are more we emphasize more on the graphical user interface here the idea is to represent buttons as figures diagrams symbols and so you can easily when you look at the symbols you understand what it is doing what is the function of this yeah yeah so i think it makes the the edge was very easy to use so next one so i can use it like this function 5 so i can use the button the mouse maybe i can use our interface i still use of pictures so next slide so here are some examples so they cluster the buttons together they group them into color they color them and they have different forms as well but this interface are kind of confusing basically there are too many buttons right next one so some people propose voice recognition and so by the way i received an email from the from one of the departments saying that the voice recognition has been used in the coffee machine produced by a company when you tell the you say good morning coffee machine and the machine will reply to you so i just got an email saying that and it seems like this voice recognition technology is ready to be used so we might consider that yeah the next one so somebody some people use some people use a spinning with the lcd display so instead of using the buttons you have an lcd screen and then there you can you can use that as buttons you can use that as wheel so that could be an option as a touchscreen i mean yeah next one and some people propose a scroll button integrated with push button so you may have scroll buttons so you may have scroll buttons instead of just the push button like the one we have here next one so so there are a few aspects that i collected here so basically these deals with special users children handicapped people all people and and basically they are programmable especially for children and yeah yeah and then they also secured covers to protect secured and hidden programming and battery covers that will protect your settings so but we do not have to integrate all these complicated features i am just saying that currently in the market there are remote controllers customizable for different people so that is the point next one and you see this is the one where you have the protection cover it may be useful for children they might you you they only see the buttons outside and for adults where you have more control you can see the one inside so the adults may want to have a key to lock that so children will not touch the button inside yeah yeah it is a good idea the next one so this guy this is another company that provides big buttons i see that is useful for all people and then you do not get it lost but for our product we do not need a big one because you have voice recognition eventually it is used and you can call your remote controller if you do not know where it is tv remote controller where are you and then you will beps and to say i am here for example is it possible we should think that speech and this case no yeah but as norman said if there is already a commercial product available to do this we can can check to integrate it into our new remote control yeah and this is another one where you can the part there is a v standing for the volume so there is an up arrow and a down arrow but you see that in the v the v appears to be the down error on the top on the top up error if you up error there is a v like as if it is turning down so it is confusing interface so i want to avoid this kind of thing in the design and here is a short summary that i compile after the findings i found big buttons are convenient voice recognition helps push buttons scroll buttons spinning wheels can be used as navigation tools and user customizable is important and finally simplicity is the key so we have many concepts there but we have to choose later on which ones are important to be used well i think it is fine you have reviewed all the possibilities but well if we consider that the user interface is displayed on the tv screen i do not think we need much buttons in the remote since we just have to navigate and to have okay or enter key or things like that because adding wheels or scrolls makes the thing more complicated and more expensive also okay or maybe we can include the user in the remote model itself and we should should have just a button like help and you say out and you click you press the button help and maybe you see the user yeah that is a good idea to have a help button a help button yeah so you are display on a screen on the tv screen just you how to use your remote okay 0 okay so that eliminates all the complicated documentation yeah manual okay but people are afraid of looking at they help once they see the help button they say 0 this is a complicated stuff no in the case where they need a psychology okay and let us see what the market demands we could just go to my presentation well it is just for user customizable yeah that is why for kids or old people i mean he just showed us the remote width and cap which could be used for kids and if you remove the so it is the same same remote with some can be used by both both people well what i propose is that you know a remote controller it could be a cube he said a small device that looks like a cube and maybe you can just change the the buttons if you turn one side you get 11 buttons you turn the other side you get the other so for maybe new generation people who get used to the computer they want lots of controls maybe for kids they like small let us see what let us see the market want we can decide what market yes yes so we just made a marketing survey of what people need from our remotes and how it could be special from the other remotes and we got the based on the responses from the questionnaires we also have some prizes for the most creative suggestions and we found the following suggestions which we could which would be helpful for our design so 75% of the users they find their remote controls very ugly they do not find it pleasant to use in the size or usage or anything and 80% of the people they are willing to spend more money if the remote control would look fancy and the current remote controls do not match well the occupier behavior of the user and 75% of the users said there is a lot and 50% say they use only 10% of the buttons so the rest of the 90% of the buttons they are not used most of the times yes so this was the findings which we found and also these are the frustrations with the present remote controls most of 50% of the time the remote controls are lost somewhere in the room and people are always searching for them rather than watching the tv and while the time they found the remote control the program is finished so they are frustrated a lot and if the remote control is too complicated it takes much time to learn the functionality of it so you can just see the percentage 50% people that responded that they will always lose the remote and 34% they say that it is quite difficult to learn to learn if it is too complex yeah so keeping in view all these findings and the frustrations i think this should be the solution for them we should have an lcd on the remote control 0 well i do not really see the advantage of having lcd on the remote control if we have a big screen and the display on the screen it is yeah of course it is fancy trendy and so on but it is expensive to produce i mean as our service says that people are willing to pay more if your remotes are fancy so if you have an lcd on the remote rather than looking onto the tv you just look into a remote and navigate it you just say menu as we saw that ipod remote control they just play around yeah but when you play with the ipad you do not have a big screen in front of you you can not use the skin instead of the big screen instead of the existing skin if you reuse the existing skin we eliminate the lcd after all the lcd it is just to display and if you have the colorful screen you can make the display colorful fancy as fancy as the one on the lcd maybe even better so i mean these were the points which we got from the market demands so i think we can focus on the fancy look on the yeah more on the fancy design yeah on the speech recognition if the technology is available but well i think lcd will we will make us spend a lot of money for not so big results remember we have us budget for the cost of producing the remote controller yeah yeah so the thing is you can find out how much an lcd will cost and then we will decide again i mean that should be found out by industrial designers maybe you can find out the price and tell us next time right so price of lcd display yeah and it is always good to have a voice recognition for the remote controls and also the cost for the speech recognition yeah as our r d partner it is just for support vocabulary yeah it is only for a limited vocabulary say 80 commands or so yeah okay and also the scroller button how much will it cost well compared to the simple simple the scroll button anywhere from the survey we never see that people would like to have some scrolling button they are just frightened to use the scrollings or help button yeah i think that well as we have seen in the the presentation well about 50% of the person do not use the button so i think to have a 5 simple button is sufficient for our functionality it does not mean that the other buttons are not important yeah but but they are just they are not too much the thing is is that we can add the functionality on the on the tv screen like a list of function and then you choose with the button to navigate and you so then and more power or maybe we can make this the 10% of buttons more bigger than the others yeah but if if we if we could have a display a user interface that is very complete on the tv screen i think that just 5 buttons is are sufficient you want to go up left right down and enter and you just select the functionality you want to access or things like that you do not have to switch to a channel to another or it could be like this as the people say if they have an lcd on the remote not on the television because when you have the lcd onto the television screen you miss the picture in the background we are most focused on the commands on the commands so if you have an lcd in the remote you just have a menu and increasing and lower the signs here to change the programs and this menu when you press the menu in the lcd it displace as you go on pressing the menu 1st it displays volume then the program then the brightness contrast and all this stuff and accordingly you can just increase or decrease yeah but if you look at the lcd you do not look at the tv screen so if you it is not really worth to get to have the image if you do not look at and i think it increases the cost of the remote monitor if you know that has to be checked out i think there there is no contradiction here because if there are few buttons you do not have to look at your controller anymore because you know where the buttons are so if you want to control the screen sharpness you just say sharpness and then you turn you just press left increase or decrease button and the same for the volume yeah and the channel if you have the speech recognition there you just shout your channel just tell your channel and then you do not even have to look at the controller so finally that will eliminate the need for lcd with the help of speech recognizer you can i mean it is really better if we could just check out the cost with lcd and also with the speech recognition yeah and then we could find which would be the most suitable for this case yeah and the 3rd problem was to find the remote control always so 50% of the people say they lose the remotes well so we can think about a vocal command like find and when the remote control here is fine to a peep yeah that is right that is exactly what i mean by voice command there or it could be also something like this it is always boring to change the batteries of the remote control so we have some charger there and whenever we do not use the remote control we put it in the charger and when we are using that remote and if we misplay somewhere in the charger we have a small button and just by pressing the button in the charger the remote control beeps wherever it is that is a good idea that is simple i mean it also does not require a voice command because there are problems with the you do not have to move the charger yeah yeah i mean charging will be fixed because it is always with electricity plug if there are there is not enough enough battery so and the remote is lost yeah yeah that is right that we can what we can do is you can program a function whereby when you press the switch off tv button the off button the remote there will be an instruction of screen please charge charge me yeah you never get it lost because every time you are off the computer the tv you asked the the command the tv remote controller will tell you to put it back to where to the charger it is a good reminder yeah that is right so you will never get lost okay yeah maybe for some people but former lazy people yeah because everything is programmed inside yeah so it is all about strategy and of course the final point is a fancy look as we have seen earlier the remotes which were displayed by norman they were fancy very big or something with lot of buttons i think we should have something well the last one with the 2 parts was a little original i mean it is well i mean i mean i mean you say if it is like that even a kid who wants to have a control you could just plug it and use it you can not avoid him but you can have an button for child lock yeah so just by pressing the button with some code you put a lock onto the remote so that he can not use even if i can think about having on the on the user interface when you switch on the tv you can write a code or choose a category if it is kids yeah that is right or maybe you have to show you to show you some specific programs for our kids and then just 0 did the odd is up from yeah just push kids button so it is automatically so if we we can resume what we i think these are the 4 points where the market demands and so it is for the user interface design and industrial design so for my part i will check the prices prices different of what to use where to use and i think it is a bit clearer for us in the next meeting that this possible test could be included i think we need to define also as the set of vocabularies for the speech recogniser yeah because if you want just say we can sort by channels or sort by tv programs you have to decide the category of vocabularies for that if numbers they are easy but if you want to name the channel by by name well i think we can we can have just numbers for channels and you can say to your remote control like sports and then on the tv you have a list with with well with sports program playing now no we have a problem there you say if you have a voice comments and you are we are watching a score on a basketball score or something and if the score comes 25 or 35 you just say 25 and suddenly the screen the channel goes to 25 so i think there should be a prefix to some numbers well every possible world has a probability to come about of the tv so i mean the just check out the probability that is saying tv 25 and just ordinary 25 ordinary 25 you almost there is a probability of being said yeah around 6070% okay on tv 25 i do not know it should be around one or 2% so it is better to have some prefix code before the number but i think that the user would like would like to associate the channel we are called the channel rather than the number yeah something some code say number channel number 5 of your tv correspond to something else yeah yeah so some people may want to say i want to see this channel that will be too big and it would be difficult for the vocabulary also check with the r d department the capability i recognize the name of the channel it will be difficult to say just the name of the channel because it is convenient for the user yeah but you have to to have all the name of the channel in your vocabulary also might be just forgot the channel name you know only know the number then or maybe the user can create his own vocabulary just pronouncing the i think that i have a channel and include in the vocabic i think there is another way you can do is that you can when the user press a button to choose the channel for example then what you can do is that the you can make the tv screen to split them into small little little squares of images where you you have a snapshot of every channel so let us say it is a 4 by 4 metrics of the images so now what you do is looking at all the 16 channels available at one time you just use the control button there you just choose the the option you want and then you just hit the button and then you will go to that channel so or let us the user create his all in vocabulary so you do not use the speech synchronizer in that way no just you have in the beginning you have you have to train you have to create a vocabulary by yourself i also by associating each channel with name or i also think about another problem if there is more than one person who is watching tv yes the speech recogniser should be able to distinguish between the 2 because i remember when i was a young child with my sister i want to watch this i want to get it we always want to watch different emissions at the same time so it could be a problem if if well if someone passes by when you are watching tv and say 0 tv 30 and just run and in the same lines we would have one more problem if we are using the television in the different environments say in the factories or in the shops there is a lot of noise and this voice commands if they fail to work that would bring a bad name by reputation for our company so i think we should specify some pre requirements if we want to use the voice commands say that it should be used in a silent homely environment or something we can switch on or switch off the special yeah that is right there should be an option yeah that is well i think that is a good a good option because it is simple simple to implement and these are the practical problems so we need to take care of them in the design we will discuss them in next meeting it is time to close this meeting okay we still have 5 minutes 0 it came around 3 minutes back yeah i think we are just plus the okay okay so i see you another another 30 minutes yes it is time to make this further or after the next meeting when we are going to make the now or after the next paper yes the only paper okay g