okay 1st of all i will start with the costs because that is going to influence our design 0 no 0 if you do not know if you al already had a look or not did you do your questionnaire already no n i i already did it no it is not much it is just one question because we have a problem 0 if you look closely you can see yeah it wants i already took the liberty to make some suggestions at the moment we have 15 buttons one l c d screen one advanced chip on print we use a sensor that is for the speech we use kinetic energy and we wanted the buttons in a special color okay what is the 1st thing we should drop the special color of the buttons no that is that is for the trendy feel and look okay so yeah but everything is should we switch to a hand dynamo that is the still the same idea as the kinetic energy because you have to use it and do things no yeah b but yeah but young people like that so just do normal battery batteries batteries i think the battery option just a normal battery then yeah yeah it has to be 125 yeah or not 0 0 my goodness so you are going to redesign something 0 no okay so we are at 25 yeah do we keep the shape doubly curved or g do we go for single curved well i guess i we will have to go for single curve then i mean we have to drop on everything but we can keep it single curved with top view still curved but from the side it is it is flat and the screen screen is just well you just have to hold it like this then yeah so yeah how about sorry another option i saw was to drop the buttons one through 9 so you can not directly access a channel but instead use only the up and down arrows that is what i was thinking that would skip 9 buttons and €45 yeah alright yeah let us do it then a a yeah then we have left we but we do not have any basic options any more yeah we do and cause then they do not have to n they do not need special color as well f 8 they do not need special colors fine that is more like it yeah you were saying something that was exactly my point like let us drop all the buttons and just make one i mean we are going to use the l c d screen anyway yeah so we will just have to use it for everything yeah and then you can make an overview of channels in the screen and select a channel click yeah some more menu options yeah okay so maybe we can drop few more buttons but now let us look yeah we c could we only need the the the the the menu arrow arrow button thing everything you can do with with the menu so with the display yeah we need one integrated button for everything then yeah the joystick yeah kind of i was because yeah yeah scroll wheel push button integrated scroll wheel push button yeah if you if you go to if you go to our view like you if you are in the sound system there yeah and you want to adjust the treble for instance this is just an example yeah y y you want to see a bar on which you can adjust it from 0 to 10 for example but you want a sound preview of how it is going to sound right so you want to click on it activate it whe and when you move it hear the difference of the treble coming out or going into the sound yeah yeah so you will you will need a a kind of a joystick button yeah or or the integrated scroll wheel push button yeah so that is kind of on your mouse and then you can click it adjust it click again and then you are out of it but you still but you then still need to have exactly well you can use the scroll wheel as well for maybe for the channels but you still yeah it is r yeah you still have to have some some button in the menu to go back so you do one inte you can do one integrated scroll wheel push button yeah and then just drop all the other buttons yeah well not all not s not sound i guess but but th the cost of one integrated button is far more than a few extra push buttons no yeah it is one integrated button is 5 times the cost of a normal button yeah so we have to to make it s more it has to be so you could also drop j 3 more of these without losing much functionality yeah you just drop the okay and the back wh wh what what what is the what is the sample sensor sample speaker 0 that is for the speech speech recognition yeah could drop the speech recognition right s s drop speech recognition no but yeah that is possible we we d yeah it is it is expensive but we never considered the possibilities of speech recognition cause it can take the function of a lot of buttons buttons buttons that is not very easy to use yeah i no it can be disturbed by by noise and no yeah but lets just say that the speech recognition works stuff like that let let let me see what is more what is more popular i guess the the screen was more popular than than the speech recognition yeah i have to look on that let me see well no i was wrong there are more people who like speech recognition than an l c d screen yep okay because if you d lose the l c d screen we need a lot of yeah but if it but it it it is a it is a both a hypers we lose our whole concept so no we just we keep the l c d we need a lot of extra buttons no but well we yeah we keep the screen i mean it is it is about the same 81 to 91% 66 to 76 we we we have not really integrated this the speech into the system so we can might as well s drop that okay so we drop the speech and drop it yeah yeah yeah let us drop the speech okay s fo 4 less euros €16 so we still have €35 to lose we need to lose some buttons but y y yeah if you lose the the back the okay button v let us say we only have the 4 arrows and the menu button yeah yeah then you are and then and then use 0 and the power button we have also the the okay and the menu button does also does the okay function then yeah and then when you in the menu so that is one s so so you activate the menu if we do 2 integrated scroll wheel push buttons we can drop all the the push buttons yeah yeah with with one integrated button we can do the whole menu thing and yeah yeah with the other we can do the the channel the volume et cetera yeah that would save ¢2 compared to no no it is €3 no yeah no it is it is n yeah to this together is more expensive than oof it is almost the same as t keeping this yeah yeah yeah well okay and we can drop these 2 for example if you have f f 4 buttons channel up and down volume left right okay i have i think we have to keep that it is the volume and the power button and then and the power button so that is 5 that is the basic that is basic that that is what you need anyway and then for the menu you can have a button that activates menu or d or do we just integrate an an an scroll wheel with a push button and then if the moment you use the scroll wheel the the the menu gets activated and then you can scroll choose an option click on it it goes into an feature click on it again selects features scroll adjust it click again it is okay then you only need one button to move back or or under each option you set a you set an a screen thing what says back and you select that one click again and you go one step back and in that menu scroll click one step back so that then you need 5 buttons and one integrated scroll wheel push button yep but we can not drop 3 buttons which that is even okay th that is yeah that is one more expensive but i see that is yeah so that is not a good idea that is not an option because which buttons do we have now those 5 which i mentioned and then menu and then menu power yeah f of the 4 things 4 arrows yeah th power power which more yeah if you if you go to 8 i do not know how to yeah okay so 4 arrows yeah power i believe power th yeah that is 5 we have a back and a okay button yeah okay that is 7 and one to activate the menu yeah and the menu so okay that is 8 well we can not reduce that we we keep the display 0 well okay yeah and even if we drop 3 buttons from here we still have to make some adjustments around here so yeah yeah we need the chip for the for the l c display the l c d yeah let us make the let us make the case plastic yeah well we need the advanced instead of r then i rather make it wood because then also it is good in the market with the 45 plus people yeah yeah yeah but but that is not our market true but no that maybe not but maybe it is better than plastic anyway ah no hard plastic 0 plastic with a with a special color a woo wood wood wood color yeah plastic with special color yeah no but i i because we have to use the special color anyway that is an option yeah okay you forgot that yeah yep yeah yeah so let us go for the plastic so we do 11 s yeah yeah okay plastic and since it is not kinetic it does not have to flip around that much that is easy because plastic is free we still have problem of €2 yeah okay if we dropped no the buttons those are really needed yeah yeah we can not drop them yeah th th it is it is an advanced chip on print yeah do we really need that advanced chip for an l c d display you still need that you yeah so the other option would be to go for the the sample speaker and which can use a regular chip wh which is €6 in total s that does not matter 0 i rather keep i rather keep the display no i keep the re yeah well yeah yeah because we already designed for it so the only option is an hand dynamo so exactly 0 that yeah and something else yeah but the can not we f fit all the buttons in an intreg integrated scroll push button 0 no tha 0 that is one right cause that will save us one5 already and then if w and then integrated s yeah but that would make it not so easy to use no y you would rec i mean it is not that important easy to use but then you have th then we have to scroll through a lot of menus to be able to get where you want huh then you still need 2 additional buttons i believe and yeah for the volume yeah d at l yeah you can use those yeah at least one for power but the 0 yeah and power that is 3 buttons and this would cost 0 yeah it is just as expensive as what we have now but the integrated button yeah how many func functions can it have 3 up down okay yeah endlessly i mean it can be a power button as soon as it powered on okay you can go into you in you main menu you can choose flip channel you can choose sound options any options you you press it for like 3 seconds then then then you should do everything in the menu yeah on the screen maybe we should yeah okay it would save enough yeah you can choose this drop these then we have a half euro left cause we do not have money and w we want the screen yeah so we can maybe still use power button yeah but we would alright yeah i guess we have to it s it saves us €4 and it costs us 25 so let us see we we drop the price by one5 we will we will be on yeah you see but we still have 13 left 0 still yeah 0 then i miscalculated 0 yeah 13 so still half shit there goes the special co well that would make it less appealing drop the special color 0 no so that is no option kay what else uncurved no no it has to be curved we sure about the advanced chip we need for the display yeah yeah it says right here they made it very easy for us okay well yeah yeah we made it hard for ourselves with the display but it is a cool feature ah i do not think i can s persuade the management to say this is better for the market so you sell more than okay wh what we could do is drop the the special color and do the special color for the buttons yeah buttons that is 0 yeah since we only have one button yeah yeah but i mean what is meant by special color i just m i do not i think yeah it is i think it is gray regular just something else than than black or white i think s yeah alright gray and rubber but we definitely want the thing to be a special color though of plastic yeah yeah so i rather have an hand dynamo than than drop the color damn yeah and then yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you can still play with it then i guess i do not know yeah yeah but a hand dynamo costs a lot of energy to keep the screen working so i guess that is not an option the display well you only have to power it up when you want to use it yeah the yeah but if you have to power the for 10 minutes then the i do not know yeah no i do not think the current status of chips are pretty energy conserving no yeah yeah true yeah let us let us go for the hand dynamo then yeah hand dynamo do you want an extra button or or do we or do we do uncurved and flat instead of no no it has to be curved yeah it has to be curved and has to have that color yeah yeah just put a special special color of the buttons or something yeah and a screen yeah that is the most import yep instead of an additional power button yeah or spe special form yeah s what what is special f 0 yeah special form yeah maybe that is nicer it is for scroll yeah but we do not have any buttons without so do d make it a special color then we only have yeah but it is it is for the integrated button i think also or yeah ma make it a special color then yeah but yeah but it is just a scroll wheel which you can push down yeah okay yeah so okay make it a special color and then it look fancy yeah yep so woah we are within budget so yeah it is a miracle 0 just 0 ma make it 2 special colors but we only have one button let us let us save it yeah okay let us do it like this i mean because it does not lose our identity of the product as we yeah okay well kay this was old well we come back to the drawing board then huh yeah all your designs are pretty much yeah yeah back to work okay it is silly cause we we should have had this meeting before we start drawing did i save it yeah but that but that is the fun part of it yeah i i wanted to go but i was not allowed 0 yeah so okay alright i just forgot to save this just a minute yeah what is the next phase yeah this the last phase of course so the agenda by your humble p m 0 f frustrated 0 alright yeah okay well we 1st should have had a prototype presentation but well as you saw that had not made no sense because we had to drop it drop everything drop yeah yeah we went straight into finance yeah yeah it was more important so i just yeah for yeah yeah pushed up the agenda yeah evaluation criteria you have t produced something about that yeah that that is yeah i i sure did and it combines with product evaluation so you put it in the we all have to keep in mind what has changed now so what we have left on the because evaluation is based on the initial user requirements yeah alright let us make it big f 5 well we evaluate the design with a 7 point scale as following well the remote controls according criteria blah blah blah true or false and then on a scale of 7 points a scale as we all know it well the criteria are based on the user requirements the trends from the marketing research and the marketing strategy of the company itself well they are in a word document which i will open now alt up yeah i do not know it is open yet no and we all have to agree on a certain level what is this freaky 0 i do not know well the 1st point is the remote control matches the operating behavior of the young user so that means the operating behavior was using quite a lot of functions how do you think about that i think it does because the operating behavior of the young user was also defined in color and shape and the use of l c d right yeah of course we dropped a little bit of those yeah the us u it it it is it is mainly con mainly concentrating on a lot of functions in this question yeah so do you think well we have extended menus on the on the l c d screen yeah you can you can ma yeah you can make a lot of extended menus yep so that is true i mean the the possibilities are almost unlimited to to build in menus in the screen i no so on a scale from one to 7 what do you think 2 or 3 huh 2 or 3 2 or 3 something like that well we have to choose one 2 yeah so what do you say y we should fill this in now i agree on 2 yeah yeah okay i i say 2 personally but yeah yeah in the new design i s would say it is 3 yeah alright but now in original design i say 2 yeah well we have to evaluate i guess what we have now okay then i say 3 yeah you say 3 and you you said al also 3 yeah yeah 3 yeah okay well i say still 2 but it has to be 3 then hey you are marketing eh yeah i know so it is made bold but it is nah it is not very clear on the sc maybe other color yeah m maybe underline or give it a color that is better red yeah alright 0 it does not have to be bold anymore 0 yeah very true alright yeah yeah true one well the remote control has wha he types everything definitely one yeah it has to be the remote control has irrelevant or less used functions for example audio settings and screen settings it hides basic functions everything yeah you are not going to find them you do not use anything else well yeah so it it is a very true point i mean it hides all those function yeah yeah okay yeah yeah true but i mean they are hidden in the screen if you do not want to use them you do not s you s just scroll over them and you place them f i do not know where so that is very true i guess for our case the 2nd point yeah the next not so much so it shows the relevant and most used functions nope power button do we ha still have a power button check with the excel sheet well yeah the button is integrated huh yeah i think we are yeah it is it is integrated yeah we dropped it you j you just push it in for yeah just just push it in for th for 3 seconds or something and then yeah it is in 0 yeah it was integrateds yeah integrate it yeah e exactly just like a m mobile yeah i do not know just go scrolling and it will activate yeah it shows the relevant and most used functions yeah on the other on one side i would say yes and the other side i would say no so it is i do not know it shows the most used functions and they are relevant but can you change channels directly with with just one button yeah no you have to scroll through the menu before with the scroll butt yeah and then say channel and then yeah so it is it is not well we should b build it so that if you do not kind of push into the menu or something if when it is on yeah it is turned on you say you double click on the it automatically has the the program and the volume function yeah but as soon as you click it you go into the menu or some of you or you double click it yeah but but how do you change from volume to channel no because it has 4 arrows right no not anymore no no because he is now have a scroll wheel that you can push in 0 yeah yeah yeah i was thinking still about our integrated joystick like on the the mouse no we have n we have no buttons left so the joystick was not an option say yeah that is a bummer so so you hav so you you have to double click i mean yeah for i mean volume and 3 double click for the menu or something to get into menu yeah 0 no or hold it 10 seconds we will make it a morse code yeah yeah yeah alright but but ease of use was not very important may i remind you no no no so that is yeah but that that is not a question it should be trendy the remote control shows the relevant and most used functions well i think it is pretty much in the middle yeah 4 you have to search for them in in the in the s in the screen in the menu yeah im in the menu so yeah 7 so maybe it is more like a f a 5 yeah or yeah i would go for 5 or 6 yeah 5 yeah 5 or 6 5 okay 5 5 5 yep alright let us not diss our remote yeah it is the weirdest remote control i have ever seen 0 so yeah yep just one button well it is different yeah alright the the remote control makes use of technolog technological innovation like l c d screen and speech recognition but yep yeah well yeah but we dropped the speech recognition yeah it is still but it has at least one innovation yeah i say 2 we still have the fruit and vegetable print i say 2 then yeah yeah but that that is not that is not this question 0 that is the next fr 0 i mean the 0 never mind thi that is the other question i am a bit lost this one i think a 2 2 2 yeah no i think l c d is more useful than speech what yep yeah definitely 0 not the bold one it is way more practical yeah right okay it has a fancy look and feel by using fruit and vegetable prints primary colors and sponge like material it should have been 2 questions yeah i realize now because sponge like material is dropped but the look and feel you still have rubber d or no yeah so we still we still have the primary colors no you got a plastic yeah yeah but only on the on the outside not on the button yeah the button has also color yeah yeah yeah okay the one button we have yeah yeah yeah still we we dropped also on the the double curve the one yeah you could check with the excel sheet yeah you only have one yeah yeah we have single curve now and no and no material and and color yeah s so maybe in the middle or something 4 yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean it is yeah or 3 worth the yeah we have something actually we d we did not do so well on this one because it is basically an old one with little curve on the side and in a different color still it is still hard yeah i mean the sponge like and the 3 d shape that would give it something young and fresh new yeah yeah but then we would have to drop the screen red 0 red yeah you like both yeah i like bold the remote control displays the corporate logo 0 yeah yeah yeah of course i just could not just one minute yeah you just have to draw it yeah but it be because we could not hardly draw on the b s on the lower half of the screen it is the white part we could not make it big enough to actually draw in the yeah yeah so i mean i wanted to put digits on the buttons as well we have a we have a so but but there is enough space for the corporate logo i mean if there is only one thing hell yeah if we have only one button yeah so i will say that is very true and even the shape we have now simulates kind of an r and the reversed r does not it yeah the remote control is easy to use so well i would say skill i would say 6 or something no i do not think it is easy to use or not so the only e the only thing easy about it is that you do not have to move your fingers ah i yeah cause it has only one button and that you only have to control one button yeah yeah exactly it it it has a nice screen but yeah it gives visual feedback so yeah well i i would say a 5 or a 6 i would say 6 i think a 5 5 what do you say easy to use it is really not easy to use 5 or a 6 cause you are putting everything no not anymore so a 6 more yeah yeah i would go for the 6 too okay yeah so most votes count well another question the remote control is durable yeah that looks great i do not know if that is the correct word yeah definitely in casing cause we have a hard plastic yeah but nah in use both battery as casing yeah yeah because the the batteries those thingies last forever true true and the the casing hard plastic also lasts forever and the casing is plastic yep yeah yeah if you do not drop it too much it is should last pretty long so i would go for one yeah but i think rubber compared is better yeah s so i think a 2 is more appropriate yep okay yeah than wow yeah logo yeah okay i will go go for 2 the last one the remote control is a good example for company is motto we put the fashion in electronics 0 no m no we put the electronics into the fashion yeah well yeah i would g i would go for 4 turn around yeah but yeah no because we kind of tried to but we kind of failed with the budget that we have it is not yeah true yeah okay so a 4 it is it g it g goes it is not the best we could do i guess yeah but it all has to do with the budget because it is it is not the bad idea we had so yeah yeah yeah yeah 4 is okay alright yeah right so so if i understood it right we have to count these numbers that is it ooh and yeah what yeah 0 yeah 0 alright word document the yeah we have to count them yeah that count them add them or yeah just add them and then divide them could somebody start calculator yeah i all made it po i i all made it i all made it possible for a positive questions so we can count it ah we can do the math i mean if you have reversed question you have to reverse the scale yes yeah yeah you have to kay yeah so 4 and did you make this questionnaire or what yeah thanks nice work okay 0 3 plus i would not be able to do it that fast 01 +one +5 +5 0 easy bo question number 4 yeah 2 yeah f 4 0 wait a 2nd 0 it is it has gone wrong how hard is it okay it is your turn yeah just use 0 there tho there is no n there is no num pads pretty difficult start over no it is if you press twice on the plus button then you get s s you can 0 yeah no that is why it is it is a it is a bit just type in the digits they are all one digit numbers right and then you can count them together yeah i think you can just count them by a let us move over just count it to yeah okay 3 +14 349 9 yeah are you here 11 11 1115 15 15 16 16 16 yeah 17 17 no 16 16 +6 0 what 22 s how hard is this 22 22 yeah never mind 24 tw 24 26 28 0 sorry 2028 0 my that was the last one that was that 28 yeah okay 28 so divided by 9 twen okay by 9 that is 3 or le less than a 3 so yeah the lower the the lower the score the better right yeah yeah 28 yeah but divided by 9 di divided by 9 makes 31111111 so thr t 2 so we are better than average but yeah i are you sure we this number actually tells us somethings no i do not think so because some questions are related to positive issues and some to negative some questions are yeah so if you give a true to a positive it actually means that the low the lower the better but if you give true to a negative question yeah but there are no negative questions i guess no good example durable use durable that is good easy to use easy to use this is good fancy look and feel that is good yeah technology innovation was good because of a marketing requirement also good re relevant most used function yeah okay i guess you did do it and hides these functions that was also a good thing 0 yeah yeah 0 yeah yeah and then matches the opera of the user was also a good thing no yeah okay so it were all positive questions by by purpose okay yeah true so yes so the it tells us something yes becau but the picture would be a lot different if we did not have to drop those those things i guess 0 great things yeah yeah definitely definitely okay because now it is just an average it is remote yeah nah it it is it is better than average but yeah okay because of the l c d screen but it looks and stuff it still it is not it is not really eye catching except for the color yeah so th it is still yeah yeah has some shortcomings no the color and the screen yeah okay so this we had this we had product evaluation we have to do a product evaluation prototype presentation we dropped so the finance we looked we have redesigned not on that but yeah we we have to maybe if we have to redesign it on this okay it is your turn now so you can just make one big l c d screen shall we try with some casing around it yeah black okay we are still going to go for the fancy colors yeah yeah yeah but are we going to stick with the green or are we going to do blue yeah we we can just use this one and then over paint it with the green he only needs one button the the button has a special color the frame has a special color yeah one scroll button and it is plastic yeah or we have to delete this one or and single curved yeah 0 and you might want to add a infrared led 00 no 0 yeah otherwise it does not function so well for what okay yeah so that is do we have to do other things well i have to make an report of every decision we made so far or just redesign alright and i try to get chip just before i receive the excel sheet yeah so i so you made a start right yeah i am i am somewhere but maybe you can help me should give it some time yeah yay okay but how do we make the the scroll button i was here so it is just one yeah have to take this away also alright ah and this that is the infrared thing 0 yeah of course the the target group has a weak spot for fruit and vegetables like primary colors spongy shape yeah pen yeah format current color red the playfulness we decided to use kinetic energy as a power sour 0 yeah we did our special color for the line widths now that is a 10 yeah okay that is conceptual yes that is enough to get started with so yeah it is just a scroll yeah is it is horizontal or vertical it is going to be one str scroll how many pages i just took one for every step and then a conclusion alright i think y you have you have done the 1st 2 horizontal is easier too cause you can yeah okay and and the look and feel is yeah is it more natural than this well i think i have to make a p an issue called finance yeah yeah so let us say whoops kay yeah yes basically it does not look like the items we had to drop yeah it it is it is not yeah it is not very fashionable anymore but it is okay it is really ugly yeah where did we start with price 265 maybe m make it bigger or or not or 26 something like that yeah that looks little bit more maybe that is a s a special color for it 0 this so we can make it special what do you mean like a other color than this one or or speckles in it i dunno speckles yeah can we do it can we do a print i am not sure i think we have to choose yeah i do not think so if you see the options but okay special color we do have special color does it mean that yeah red is already a special color i think so it is not very special but yeah shall we just give it some dots to make it look pretty yeah purdy just put the purple purple on it yeah some some big dots purple that is trendy yeah yeah yeah 0 no my remote has acne we have the original balance sheet or yeah yeah woah no that is why we have that button 0 yeah it is so cute 0 what doh woah just cut control z 0 no is that that yeah no no yeah yeah how the we did we do that 0 it is it is just one computer just dual screen or no but can we delete it just with delete or we can try that does not respond also to the undo it looks like it is crashed no 0 no very nice okay where do you want some more dots yeah over here you can not even draw anymore yeah even children can draw what is this y y you you you push the button or something or can you just push pen and then keep on 0 yeah 0 that is the select button it is okay it is not the prettiest i know no it looks it is not so random huh lot of options it is okay specially the the r yeah the r and another r yeah okay it is called the real remote right yeah maybe maybe it c it can say that the real remote yeah just on the the m the l c d display yeah welcome we can make a l a logo this is your real remote yeah yeah like put it like the shape yeah d designed by okay something like that i mean it is not too that is not their logo is it no do they have a lo 0 the here this i this is the logo yeah it is a 2 r s and a one yeah you can just reuse that because the name is the same you can copy and paste the picture if you want initials how shall we do the logo in black or not yeah yeah what is that look more looks more like a campfire are you dissing my drawing this one yeah it looks like a ribbon yeah okay so who wants to draw this is actually quite fun do we need to do anything i hear you people are typing are we ready or type in your report 0 okay i do not see any new messages so luckily luckily yeah is this the last assignment or yeah it is yeah final it is almost 4 what time do we have to deliver the report at 4 yeah 40 clock or or before that okay just compare and copy this just a minute this is really bizarre it is it looks like there is a it looks like a butterfly bug bug it is somewhere i d it is not inside no it is in inside the yeah and do not know how it is or eject it no it is on the on the beamer i guess no it 0 no but it i it is not a bu a beamer from up there no b it is a normal t v screen kind of thing hey you have got it read only yeah it is somewhere in here so you have to save copy yeah strange this something what is projection from behind i guess yeah it is too 0 yeah there is some kind of projection i think yes yeah it it is a beamer but then with a within a mirror yeah with a with a mirror huh or something yeah so it looks like a big screen but in fact it is not so are we going to change anything to this it is i mean is it going to well it is it is single single curved well it is now single curved so th this is flat this is going to be flat it is flat yeah exactly 0 no yeah okay it does not matter it is it is but it is it is better to have in the front this kind of shape because it looks nice i mean you see more of this than of that yeah yeah more like that yeah and this is also going to be it is not very ideal nope do like this but sometimes then all of a sudden it does work yeah what is this that is the detector for the ooh okay maybe but i do not see a detector over there yeah no it is i think you only need 2 points i do not know or not no you sh i thought it was a kind of thing to put it on and then draw right lines or something maybe that is why it is it is not working because it is more slanted yeah yeah yeah yeah or just messed it up well maybe 0 yeah 0 yeah yeah it it matters for the aim of this thing yeah yeah but it was not good you have to make it s 90 degrees yeah it it has to touch the corners i guess but th this one was not good because if i was drawing here i drew a line and then it came over here now you probably have to recalibrate you have 05 minutes to the end of the meeting 0 0 we are always long and the recalibration is done using this icon here yeah can we t can we get to that i ooh 0 it is not working anymore yeah yeah it is it is okay yeah well i just 0 yeah yeah yeah yeah it is it is working it is working it is working again yeah okay it is better than before yeah yeah we are improving yeah you go ahead yeah that is improved pretty much yeah yeah it is only a bit like to that side but that is that one by the way yeah yeah but it is better it is better cause this one makes the angle either like this no it so i if i change this it will go there if i change that will go there no it is better than it was i guess i will take this away cause it looks messy silly yeah works pretty well 5 minutes before the meeting is over yeah and then yeah we have to present then i have to write this and i do not know if you have to present because i did not receive any information about that so far alright maybe we will maybe we get a a final mail so it after the after after these 5 minutes you have to yeah yeah i have still 10 minutes to finish the report what is this anyway so cake alright after after that 5 minutes you have 10 minutes to finish it or alright it looks like candle wax yeah and we and you can just relax and have cup of coffee or 0 no they do not have beer here so you can not celebrate right chill huh you can just if you ma finish my presentation please over there yeah the presentation is still open so if you finish that then you will see yeah next next slide 0 yeah we have to do the project evaluation just do that quickly yeah how do you do it well basically what that says we discuss it and alright so how were did the project process go did you were you all pleased with the process as it was or are there th do you mean the the interaction between us yeah the interaction and the steps we followed and and so forth or yeah well at 1st i was really stressed because it went a bit fast yeah but then as i knew the tempo that i had to be on the 2nd time i think i did a bit better yeah yeah and the 3rd time yeah i mean and we move more to to working together as team because at 1st you you make your individual contribution no and then come here and you have no idea what the others have to make no yeah yeah yeah yeah and then finally you have some idea okay this is going to w this is what we going to make together and okay i will arrange this and you will arrange that and you have a k a kind of idea what you can expect on the next half hour when you have to work on your own so the process i mean the interaction between us became better and better i guess yeah we yeah yeah especially after the 1st meeting yeah especially if f f if you see you se you saw the largest difference from the 1st to the 2nd meeting i guess and yeah yeah definitely okay and was that due to my leadership yeah yeah yeah well you did become more assertive the the 2nd time round so that yeah yeah yeah yeah that okay you were more in charge kind of thing okay was there enough room for creativity i guess so yeah yeah but only the the financial parts yeah i mean li limiteded afterwards but if if you do not take that into account there is plenty of room for creativ creativity i also not only the drawing and the the making of the thing itself but also in explaining it to the other people by means of we were pretty democratic the the board and powerpoint and word and stuff like that so and the about the board digital pen was that helpful or yeah i think in in essence ooh the digital pen is better than the smartboard because it it it just works better i mean i have made yeah i have made several notes just to test it yeah it works and and just put the pen in into it and then it came onto my screen and it looked perfectly yeah so it it is better a better device than maybe yeah than the screen but the screen is useful in essence but it does not work that well it is it is the the pen is more intuitive cause we are all used to writing with pen use the pen and as i said i have no idea how powerpoint works so will take me half a day to be able to make a normal powerpoint presentation yeah but once i get to know the program probably i mean it looks better you know or something like that you can give it a kind of a home style like we have i the the logo and everything yeah yeah and i do not know yep blink 0 warning finish meeting now finish meeting okay are are there any new ideas about this all i think i did not really receive yeah well it it is use especially useful i guess to to evaluate designs and graph graphical stuff w s sorry and and the screen and stuff like that i think the powerpoint is is too limited you can not draw easy in in powerpoint it has to be yeah the drawing board has to be integrated into powerpoint so that you can just easily yeah yeah the the the problem with powerpoint for me is that you have to i put in the pre made chunks c as well yeah you know you can draw something on the sketch board and then take it there or whatever yeah yeah yeah but it it is useful to to show something to to an a small audience and then to yeah just for text for text it is it is okay but yeah these these kind of screens this size are useful to discuss things so 0 yes check your email we should enter our questionnaire you also kay ah woah alright right okay okay okay alright yes boss well s see you in a 2nd huh that is the management well see you soon 0 okay hope so yeah yeah we have to pull it this way huh wait
we still have to do our questionnaire okay 1st of all i will start with the costs because that is going to influence our design alright if you do not know if you already had a look or not did you do your questionnaire already i already did it it is not much it is just because we have a problem if you look closely you can see what i already took the liberty to make some suggestions yeah there at the moment we have 15 buttons one lcd screen one advanced chip on print we use a sensor that is for the speech we use we use kinetic use kinetic energy and we wanted the buttons in a special color okay was the 1st thing we should drop the special color of the buttons no that is that is for the trendy okay everything is should we switch to hand dynamo that is still the same idea as the kinetic energy because you have to use it yeah but i do not people like that so just do a normal battery i just do a normal battery then yeah it has to be 12 and a half or no 0 my goodness you are going to read these items okay so we are at 25 yeah do we keep the shape doubly curve to go go for single curved i guess we will have to go for single curve then i mean we have to drop on everything but we can keep it single curved with top view still curved but from the side it is it is flat the screen is just well you just have to hold it like this then how about sorry another option i saw was to draw the buttons one through 9 so you can directly access a channel but instead use only the up and down arrows that is what i was to skip 9 buttons and €45 all right yeah yeah we have any basic options anymore 0 yeah and because then they do not have to they do not need special colors well they do not need special colors fine it is more like it yeah you were saying something that was exactly my point let us drop all the buttons and just make one i mean we are going to use the lcd screen anyway so we will just have to use it for everything and then you can make an overview of channels in the screen and select the channel click so maybe you can drop a few more buttons but let us look we only need the menu arrow button thing everything you can do with the menu so with the yeah we need one integrated button for everything yeah a joystick yeah kind of i was because yeah scroll wheel push button integrated scroll wheel push button yeah if you go to our few like if you are in the sound system there and you want to adjust the treble for instance this is just an example you want to see a bar on which you can adjust it from 0 to 10 for example but you want a sound preview of how it is going to sound right so you want to click on it activate it and when you move it hear the difference of the treble coming out or going into the sound so you will need a kind of a joystick button yeah or the right scroll wheel push button yeah so that is kind of on your mouse and then you can click it adjust it click again and then you are out of it exactly but you then still need to have well you can use the scroll wheel wheel as well for maybe for the channels but you still have to have some button in the menu to go back you can do one integrated scroll wheel push button yeah and then just drop all the other buttons well not all not sound i guess the cost of one integrated button is far more than a few extra push buttons yeah one integrated button is 5 times the cost of a normal button so we have to make it more you could also drop 3 more of these without losing much functionality what is the sample sensor sample speaker that is for the speech speech recognition yeah good drop speech recognition no but yeah that is possible yeah it is expensive but we never considered the possibility consider the possibilities of speech recognition because it can take the function of a lot of buttons that is not very easy to use no it can be disturbed by noise and yeah let us just say that the speech recognition works let me see what is more popular i guess the screen was more popular than the speed recognition i have to look on that let me see well no i was wrong there are more people who like speed recognition than an lcd screen okay because if he lose the lcd screen but it is both a hyper no we need a little extra buttons yeah we keep the screen i mean it is about the same 81% of we have not really integrated this speech into the system so we can might as well drop that drop it yeah let us drop the speech for less years €16 so we still have €35 to lose we need to lose some buttons yeah if he lose the back the okay button let us say we only have the 4 arrows yeah the menu button yeah and then use or in the power button you have also the okay and the menu button does also does the okay function then and then when you in the menu so that is one year so you activate the menu if we do 2 integrated scroll wheel push buttons you can drop all the push buttons yeah with one integrated button we can do the whole menu thing yeah with the other we can do the channel the volume etc yeah that would say ¢2 compared to no no it is €3 no this together is more expensive than it is almost the same as this okay for example if you have 4 buttons channel up and down volume left right okay i think we have to keep that and then and the power button so that is 5 that is the basic that is the basic that is what you need anyway and then for the menu you can have a button a button that activates the menu or do we just integrate a scroll wheel with a push button and then if the moment you use the scroll wheel the the menu gets activated and then you can scroll choose an option click on it it goes into a feature click on it again selects feature scroll adjust it click again it is okay then you only need one button to move back or or under each option you set a you set a screen thing that says back and you select that one click again you go one step back and in that menu scroll click one step back so that then you need 5 buttons yeah and one integrated scroll wheel push button but you can drop 3 buttons but i see that is one year or more expensive yeah so that is not an option because which buttons do we have now those 5 which i mentioned and then menu and then power yeah the 4 things for arrows yeah power if you go to 8 i do not know how to yeah okay so 4 arrows yeah power i believe yeah that is 5 we have a back and a okay button yeah okay that is 7 i want to activate the menu yeah that is 8 but we can not reduce that we keep the display okay even if we drop 3 buttons from here we still have to make some adjustments around here so yeah we need the chip for the lcd display yeah we need to advance let us make a case plastic i would rather make it wood because there is a lot because that also is good in the market with the 45 plus people yeah but that is not our market no that maybe not but it is better than plastic anyway i do not know hard plastic plastic with a special color yeah plastic with a special color yeah okay no but i because we have to use the special color anyway you forgot that yeah yeah so let us go for the plastic yeah okay plastic and since it is not kinetic it does not have to flip around that much plastic is free we still have a problem of €2 yeah okay if you drop to now the buttons those are really needed yeah yeah we can drop them it is and the advanced chip on the do we really need that advanced chip for an lcd display yeah so the other option would be to go for the sample speaker which can use a regular chip which is €6 in total that does not matter i rather keep the display yeah because we are already designed for it the only option is in hand dynamo yeah and something else 0 no that is one right can not we fit all the buttons in an integrated scroll push button because that will save us one5 already and then integrated yeah but that would make it not so easy to use i mean it is not that important easy to use but then you then we have to scroll through a lot of menus to be able to get where you want yeah yeah 2 additional buttons i believe yeah yeah at least one for power that is yeah power there is 3 buttons and this yeah it is just as expensive as what we have now great button how many functions can it have yeah endlessly i mean it can be your power button as soon as it powered on you can go into your main menu you can choose flip channel you can choose sound options then you should do everything in the menu yeah on the screen maybe we should because we do not have money and we want the screen drop these then we have a half euro left yeah so we can maybe still use power button yeah but we alright i guess we have it saves us €4 and it costs us 25 so let us see we drop the price but we still 13 left yeah no then i am miscalculated 13 so still half shit there goes a special that would make it less appealing so that is no option okay what else uncurved we are sure about it advanced chip we need for the display yeah it says right here okay they made it very easy for us yeah we made it hard for ourselves with the display but it is a cool feature i do not think i can persuade the management persuade the management to say this is better for the market so you sell more okay what we could do is drop the special color and do the special color for the buttons that is 0 yeah since we only have one button yeah but i mean what is meant by special color i just i do not think black or white i think yeah i think it is gray regular yeah all right gray and rubber but we definitely want the thing to be a special color yeah so i would rather have a hand dynamo than drop the color yeah you can still play with it then i guess i do not know yeah but a hand dynamo costs a lot of energy to keep the stream working so i guess that is not an option display yeah you only have to power it up when you want to use it yeah if you have to power it up for 10 minutes no i do not think the current status of chips are pretty energy saving yeah true let us go for the hand dynamo then yeah hand dynamo do we want an extra button or do we uncurved and flat instead of no it has to be curved yeah it has to be curved and has to have that color just put a special special color of the buttons or something yeah is that a special yeah what is special what is special form maybe that is nicer for a scroll yeah we do not have any buttons so we only have make it a special color then it is for an integrated button i think also yeah make it a special color then there is just a scroll which you can push down okay making a special color and then it looks fancy so whoa we are in budget yeah let us save it 2 special colors but we only have one button yeah let us do it like this i mean because it does not lose our identity of the product as we okay well let us go this was old well we come back to the drawing board then yeah back to work yeah all your designs are pretty much it is silly because we should have had this meaning before we start drawing yeah but that is the fun part of it i wanted to do a little bit no yeah i was not allowed so okay alright i just forgot to save this yes what is the next phase yeah this is the last phase of course by your humble pm 0 frustrated alright yeah okay well we 1st should have had a prototype presentation as you saw that had not made no sense because we had to drop everything drop yeah we went straight into finance finance yeah it was more important yeah yeah pushed up to gender evaluation criteria and you have used something about that yeah i sure did and it combines with product evaluation so we all have to keep in mind what has changed now so what we have left on the because the evaluation is based on the initial user user requirements all right let us make it big well we evaluate the design with a 7 point scale as following well the remote controls recording criteria blah blah true or false and then on the scale of 7 points the leekard skill if you all know it well the criteria are based on the user requirements the trends from the marketing research and marketing strategy of the company itself well there are in a word document which i will open now we all have to agree on a certain level what is this i do not know well the 1st point the remote control matches the operating behavior of the young user so that means the operating behavior was using quite a lot of functions how do you think about that i think it does because the operating behavior of the young user was also defined in color and shape and the use of lcd right yeah the use of the little bit of those it is mainly mainly concentrating on a lot of functions in this question so you think well we have extended menus yeah you can make a lot of extended menus that is true i mean the the possibilities are almost unlimited to to building menus in this yeah yeah so on a scale from one to 7 what do you think 3 huh 2 or 3 something like that well we have to choose one so what do you say i agree on 2 you feel this in now yeah yeah okay i say 2 personally but yeah and new design would say it is 3 but now in the original design i say yeah but we have to evaluate i guess what we have now okay then i say 3 yeah you say 3 yeah okay well i say still 2 but it has to be 3 then you are marketing right yeah i know so it is made bold it is made bold but it is not very clear maybe it will give it a color maybe other color yeah it is better red yeah alright it does not have to re bolt anymore all right 0 yeah very true yeah true well the remote control height definitely one it has to be the remote control height is irrelevant or less use functions for example audio settings and screen settings it is a very true point i mean it hides all those functions they are hidden in the screen if you do not want to use them you do not just scroll over them and you place them i do not know where so that is very true i guess for our case the 2nd point it shows the relevant of most used functions most use functions power button do we still have a power button well yeah the buttons integrated huh yeah it is integrated yeah we dropped it you just push it in for just integrated yeah just push it in for 3 seconds or something and then exactly just like in mobile just go scrolling you into a lot of state it shows relevant of most use functions you must well yeah on the other on one side i would say yes and the other side would say no i do not know it shows the most used functions and they are relevant yeah can you change channels directly with just one button no with the scroll one yeah and then say channel and then well we should build it so that if you do not kind of push into the menu or something if when it is on yeah it is turned on it automatically has the the program and the volume function but as soon as you click it you go into the menu or something of your or you double click but how do you change from volume to channel now because it has 4 arrows right no no because he is 0 yeah scroll wheel which you can push in yeah i was thinking still about our integrated joystick now we have we have no buttons left so so the joystick was not an option yeah that is a bummer so you have so you have so you have to double click i mean for i mean volume and 3 double click for the menu or something yeah hold it 10 seconds yeah i will make it a morse code but but ease of use was not very important when i remote you so that should be true yeah but that is not a question and the remote control shows relevant the most use functions well i think it is pretty much in the middle yeah for you have to search for them in the in the screen in the menu so yeah so maybe it is more like a 5 yeah go for 5 or 6 yeah 5 or 65 okay 5 5 all right that is not this our remote yeah this the remote control i have ever seen yeah yep just one button all right the remote control makes use of technological innovation like lcd screen and speed recognition well yeah we dropped the speed recognition but it has at least one innovation i say 2 i say 2 then we still have the fruit and vegetable print yeah but that is not this question never mind it is the other question i am a bit lost this one i think 2 2 yeah i think lcd is more usable than speech yeah but not the bold one it is way more more practical yeah right okay it has a fancy look and feel by using fruit vegetable prints primary colors a sponge like material it should have been 2 questions i realize now because sponge like material is dropped but the look and feel yeah so we still have the primary colors yeah but only on the on the outside not on a button the button has also color yeah yeah okay the one button we have yeah yeah we dropped also on the double curve yeah you can check with the excel sheet yeah we have single curve now and no material yeah so maybe in the middle or something yeah yeah yeah i mean it is yeah or 3 or 3 yeah actually we did not do so well on this one because it is basically an old one an old one with a little curve on the side and in a different color it is still hard i mean the sponge like and the 3 d shape that would give it something young and fresh yeah but then we would have to drop the screen 0 red you like bold yeah i like mold the remote control displays the corporate logo 0 yeah of course we just have to draw just to admit it it is a white part because we could not hardly draw on the lower half of the screen we could not make it big enough to actually draw in the yeah so i mean i wanted to put digits on the buttons as well but there is enough space for the corporate logo i mean if there is only one if we have only one button yeah so i will say that so i will say that it is very true and even the shape we have now simulates kind of an r and a reversed r does not it the remote control is easy to use well i would say no a skill i would say 6 or something i do not think it is easy to use or not so the only thing easy about it is that you do not have to move your fingers yeah and that you only have to control one button yeah exactly exactly and it has a nice screen but yeah it gives official feedback so yeah i would say a 5 or a 6 i would say 6 what do you say it is really not easy to use because you are putting everything so 6 more yeah yeah i would go for the 6 too okay so most votes count well another question the remote control is durable i do not know if that is the correct word definitely in casing and use both battery as casing yeah yeah because the batteries those things last forever true true and the casing is plastic the casing hard plastic also lasts forever yeah if you do not drop it too much it should last pretty long i would go for one yeah but i think rubber compared it is better so i think a 2 2 is more appropriate okay yeah wow yeah logo okay i would go for 2 the last one the remote control is a good example for a company is motto you put the fashion in electronics no we put the electronics let us turn around yeah i would go for 4 yeah because we kind of try to but we kind of failed with the budget that we have yeah true yeah okay so a 4 it is it goes it is not the best we could do i guess it all has to do with the budget because it is not the bad idea we had so yeah all right yeah right so that is it if i understood it right we have to count these numbers 0  yeah what  0 all right we are talking with the yeah we have to count them count them add them yeah just add them and then device them start to calculate yeah i all made it i all made it i all made it possible of positive questions so we can count it i mean if you have reversed questions you have to reverse the skill okay yeah so 4 did you make this questionnaire yeah thanks nice work okay 3 plus i would not be able to do that that fast +one +5 5 whoa 0 easy question number 4 yeah yeah wait a 2nd 0 how hard is it pretty difficult yeah just use start over there is no there is no numpet you can it is a bit just type in the digits they are all one digit numbers right and then you can count them together yeah you can just count them by half let us move over 3 +one 3 49 9 yeah you are here 11 11 15 15 16 16 17 17 no 16 16 +6 22 how hard is this 22 yeah never much 24 28 28 28 0 man it was the last one yeah okay 28 so divided by 9 that is a 3 the lower the score the better right yeah 28 divided by 9 makes 3 points 11 11 one one one one one so we are better in the average but yeah are you sure we this number actually tells us something no think so because some questions are related to positive issues and some to negative so if you give it true to a positive it actually means that the lower the better but if you give true to a negative question yeah but there are no negative questions i guess no good example durable that is good easy to use easy to use this way is good fancy look and feel that is good yeah technological innovation was also good because of marketing marketing requirement right the most use function i guess you did do it hides this functions that was also a good thing and then matches the operator of the user was also a good thing okay well positive questions yeah true by purpose so yes so the it tells us something as because but the picture would be a lot different if we did not have to drop those things those things i guess yeah definitely definitely because now it is just an average average remote it is better than average but yeah okay because of the lcd screen yeah so in looks and stuff it is still it is not it is not really eye catching except for the color the color on the screen yeah okay so this we had this we had product evaluation product evaluation pro type presentation we dropped so the finance we looked we have redesigned not on that but yeah we have to maybe we have to redesign it on this so you can just make one big lcd screen with some casing around it yeah okay we are still going to go for the fancy colors are we going to stick with the green or are we going to do blue you can just use this one and then overpaint it with the butternus is a special color the frame is a special color one scroll button and a single curve 0 and you might want to add an infrared lab yeah for why it does not function so well do we have to do other things well i have to make a report or report every decision we made so far all right and i tried to catch up just before i received the excel sheet yeah so i made it start right yeah i am somewhere but maybe you know should give it some time yeah yay okay that is how do we make that a scroll and all that i have to take this away also yeah and this that is the infrared 0 yeah of course a pen yeah formats current color red 0 yeah we did have special color for the line width yeah let us say 10 it is going to be one scroll how many pages horizontal or 3rd no i just took one for every step all right horizontal is easier though yeah okay and the look and feel is it is more natural than this than this i think i have to make a so let us say oops key yeah basically it does not it does not it does not it is not yeah it is not very fashionable anymore but it is okay it is really ugly where did we start which price 26 and a half or or 26 something something like that yeah that looks a little bit more i mean it is a special color for it so we can make it special what do you mean like other color than this one or or spickles in it i do not know spickles yeah can we do with the can we do a print print i am not sure i think we have to choose huh i do not think so if you see the options but okay special color we do have special color does that mean yeah it is already a special color i think so yeah shall we just give it some dots to make it look pretty yeah some big dots purple in it purple that is trendy yeah yeah 0 no my remote has acne yeah whoa 0 that is why we have that button 0 yeah it is so cute whoa whoa just cut control z 0 no is that no no is that that yeah yeah yeah no no yeah yeah yeah how there wait did we do that just dual screen no it is can we delete it just to delete or we can try dry it does not respond also to the undo it looks like it crashed no okay very nice where do you want some more dots yeah over here you can not even draw anymore even children can not you push the button or something or can you just push the pen and then 0 that is the select button it is a okay it is not the prettiest i know it is not so random huh it is okay it is actually the r yeah the r and another r it is called the real remote right yeah maybe it can say that the real remote yeah just on the lcd display yeah welcome we can make a logo yeah like put it like the shape designed by something like that i mean it is not too  that is not their logo is it yeah do they have a logo 0 here this is the logo yeah you can just reuse that because the name is the same you can copy and paste that picture if you want so we do that logo in black or not yeah yeah what is that it looks more like a campfire campfire are you dissing my drawing this one yeah it looks like a ribbon yeah okay so who wants to draw this is actually quite fun do we need to do anything i hear you people are typing typing the report okay i do not see any new messages so luckily the last assignment or yeah it is the final it is almost 4 what time do we have to deliver the report 40 clock or at 4 yeah right before that just compare this is really bizarre it looks like there is a it looks like a butterfly it is somewhere it is not inside no it is on the beamer i guess no but it is it is not a beamer it is a normal tv screen tv screen kind of thing yeah it is somewhere in here so you have to save a copy yeah strange this is something that is projection from behind i guess it is just here at our screen 0 yeah there is some kind of projection i think yeah it is a beamer but then with a mirror yeah so it looks like a big screen but in fact it is not so are we going to change anything to this well it is a single curve it is now a single curve so this is flat yeah exactly okay it does not matter but it is better to have in the front this kind of shape because it looks nice i mean you see more of this than of that yeah yeah more like that yeah and this is also going to be it is not very ideal but sometimes then all of a sudden it does work yeah what is this that is the detector for the okay but i do not see a detector over there i think you only need 2 points or not i thought it was a kind of thing to put it on and then draw right lines or something it is not working because it is more slanted yeah yeah where i just messed it up well maybe yeah it matters for the aim of this thing yeah but it was not good you have to make it 90 degrees yeah it has to touch the corners i guess but this one was not good because if i was drawing here i drew a lot i drew a line and then it came over here now you probably have to recalibrate 5 minutes to the end of the meeting 0 and the recalibration is done using this icon can we get to that icon yeah yeah it is okay it is working again it is better than before okay yeah yeah it has improved pretty much yeah it is only a bit like to that side but that is that one by the way but it is better this one makes the angle either like this so if i change this it will go there if i change that we will go there it is better than it was i guess i will take this away because it looks silly yeah it works pretty well 5 minutes before the meeting is over and then we have to present i have to write this and i do not know if you have to present because i did not receive any information about that all right maybe we will after these 5 minutes you have to i have still 10 minutes what is this anyway all right after after that 5 minutes it looks like candle wax it or yeah all right and we you can then just relax a cup of coffee or chill they do not have beer so you can not celebrate you can just if you may finish my presentation please yeah the presentation is still open so if you finish that and you will see yeah next slide 0 yeah we have to do that project evaluation just do that quickly yeah how do you do it well basically what that says we discuss it and so all right the project process go you were pleased with the process as well do you mean the the interaction between us or action and the steps we followed yeah well at 1st i was really stressed because it went a bit fast but then as i knew the tempo that i had to be on the 2nd time i think i did a bit better yeah and we moved more to working together as a team because at 1st you make your individual contribution and then come here and you have no idea what the others have to make yeah yeah yeah and then finally you have some idea okay this is going to this is what we are going to make together and okay i will arrange this and you will arrange that and you have a kind of idea what you can expect on the next half hour when you have to work on your time to work on your own so the process i mean the interaction between us became better and better i guess especially after the 1st meeting yeah especially if you see you saw the largest difference from the 1st to the 2nd yeah meaning i guess okay and was that due to my leadership yeah well you did become more assertive the 2nd time around to that yeah yeah you were more in charge kind of thing okay was there enough room for creativity i guess so yeah i mean only the financial part limited afterwards but if you do not take that into account there is plenty of room for creativity also not only the drawing and the making of the thing itself but also in explaining it to the other people by means of we were pretty democratic the board and powerpoint and word and stuff like that and about the board and such had a digital pen was it helpful i think in essence the digital pen is better than the smart board because it just works better i mean i have made several notes just to test it and just put the pen into it and then it came onto my screen and it looked perfectly so it is a bit better device than the screen maybe but the screen is useful in essence but it does not work that well it is it is the pen is more intuitive because we are all used to writing with pen and as i said i have no idea how powerpoint works so it will take me half a day to be able to make a normal powerpoint presentation but once i get to know the program probably i mean it looks better you know or something like that you can give it a kind of a home style like we have the logo and everything and yeah i do not know morning finish meeting now okay are there any new ideas about this all i think well it is you is especially useful i guess to to evaluate designs and graph graphical stuff and the whole screen and stuff like that i think the powerpoint is too limited you can not draw easy in powerpoint it has to be yeah the drawing board has to be integrated into powerpoint so that you can just easily yeah yeah the problem with powerpoint for me is that you have to put in the pre made chunks as well you know you can draw something on the sketchboard and then take it there or whatever yeah but it is useful to show something to a small audience and then to it is okay but yeah these kind of screens this size are useful to discuss things so yes check your email we should enter our questionnaire d doo yeah also you also mister gentlemen maybe it is better that you finish the meeting now move to your rooms and we will make the questioners there because there are 3 questions left this is number 8 okay and then number 9 and over post and when is finished okay okay all right yes bosch we will see you in a 2nd huh see you soon 0 see you soon i hope so yeah we have to pull it this way huh right i am sorry