wait for the marketing director actually so anyways see shall we wait i am not sure if he is late or delayed or whatever so i am going to start soon we have now do not have much time anyway 0 there he is yes okay we there you are okay sorry a little bit of pl little problem with computer no problem we are about to start so have a seat okay welcome again today functional design phase i will take you over the minutes of last last meeting okay that was just to get to know each other have a little thoughts on what your vision is and on this project so i put the minutes on the i made on the on the p the the project share so if you want to review them they are there i will do so after every meeting so if you have some information you want to take back you can find it there anyways today 3 presentations from every one of you after that i got some new project requirements from project board so we are going to go af go after over this later but i want to start with stuff you did 1st so we can see what everybody came up with and after that we can have the new requirements and share some thoughts so who would like want to go 1st yeah sure no problem go ahead take it there was a little problem with my computer so not the whole presentation anyway let us see what you have yeah okay and it is still a bit open i want to open the my s 0 no you should close it on your own notebook i guess yeah 0 no that is okay so there okay slide show yes the functional requirements it is very important for the user he he wants to yeah the the method we used it it is not m not a slide because it went wrong but the method we use we tested it w with a 100 men and we asked them to w what the remote f feel like and what what is important if i can cut in is it people or men people sorry is it people okay both women and men yeah cause i thought it was only men so kay okay the findings 75% of the users find most remote controls ugly that is pretty shocking so we have to s we have to do something about that yeah and yeah most th th they want to spend money for a better system for better remote control so we can do a l a little nice things with it and they use yeah they use zap a lot 50% say they only so that is the most important things okay 0 yeah not all of it is it on mine on my powerpoint presentation but the relevant buttons are the power the channel selection and the volume selection okay just talk ahead it is the most basic buttons that a user wants to use less important is tel teletext they use it but it is not very important on the scale of 0 to 10 they 65 and but not important is the channel selection okay that is okay the the that is a little weird 0 the the no no no no no that is very important but w and not important in the audio settings display settings and which channel selection okay we can we can hide those under a menu or something okay 0 okay yeah new preferences preferences beep to find your control was that was in the test that is like a button on your t v the the most people f find it irritating when they cannot find a rem their remote control remote okay so i think it is a bee beep to sound it and you can find it and another thing they want was speech recognition so they can say what they want to let us go to channel one and that is kind of things okay and they want maybe an l c d screen to to look it wh what is on every channel and what do i want with it we want to have a little preview on the remote control yeah preview what is on the channel okay is that manageable cause it sounds pretty expensive too that sounds too it is possible but i think it is expensive but do continue yeah okay yeah my personal preferences is a button for my favorite channel so i can i dunno so i can zap to my f quick to my favorite channel wh what i so the remote mu must see or must see wha what mine preferences are for which channel so i can zap t to okay you do not set it yourself it just remembers the channel that you are on most for example what you want the you want it to be programmed for example y programmed f or you want it to recognize your favorite channel yeah yeah recognize let us see you you spend 20 minutes each day on that channel so it recognizes your favorite channel yeah yeah that is what my personal preference like okay so it is it it does it recognize itself you do not have to set it okay no itself maybe it is easier to to sell it but okay i do not know it is manageable but we will we will see i see yeah it is a little bit it is the end of it it is a little bit i lost it the computer crashed so okay okay no problem it is it is okay that is yeah go ahead shall i go okay yeah so some technical functions darn computer basically i have some issues which you discussed earlier yeah let us just start with the method it sounds really easy what does the user do what does the th remote control do but there are quite some issues so the things i am going to concentrate on are the user aspect because the technical aspect that is pretty much covered we can do that what goes wrong at the user gets the remote control where is the remote control we have all had it once i want to watch some television where is the remote control yeah that was one of your ideas which you posted in the network folder a really good idea yeah that seems very good these are just the issues i come to some personal experience findings possible solutions later searches for the button there are many buttons on a remote control which are not clear so either we lose those or we try to make it a little bit more clear also symbols tend to fade after a while there is nothing more annoying than faded symbols because you do not know which channel is this button so possibly we could find something for that yes okay so have it more make it more durable actually okay covered that 0 yes user presses the button usually when you have a lot of buttons buttons are small so you press more once remote control goes okay so the buttons should be kablouey or something like that so we have to pay attention not to put too mun too many buttons on the remote control yeah and possibly also the size so more important buttons bigger si wow the s yeah make it make them bigger even more durable so this is basically what i h had in mind in the fade proof symbols locator a sound so clear we should stick to existing symbols but maybe we could do a little investigation to see whether some symbols are need to be replaced by others okay this i pretty much covered so what we want to go to is not this one but more less buttons easy some bigger buttons yeah it is true yeah so that is basically what i had in mind yeah that is clear this is not the final design this is just a general idea of how i would like to see basically the general idea no of course yeah i must say that it so that was it that was it okay that was good so we agree on the the part that we need to get something on the on the remote to find it somewhere and increase it the durability of of the thing yeah i think it is a really good idea so the other aspects we will just see how what you came up with and what is possible for that budget yeah yeah okay okay that is fine okay now work a little with me okay well let us start it as it is okay the method there are a few questions that need to be answered you already talked about it a little bit which buttons are wanted is our remote control universal or should it be programmable if it should be programmeab grammeale then we need something like a mode that you can switch it because then the buttons have to send out a different signal then they would normally do and how big is the remote control going to be i will tell you why that is important to me there are a lot of technical parts in the remote control so that is why i also would like to say go a little bit easy on the designs i heard ab you talking about beeps and about video screens but the material inside and the technical aspects are quite complex already so keep in mind that everything that you keep think of it has to b to be built so it is that is not as easy as it s might look like yeah of course okay material study i am working on that for the the costs i have to check out how far i can go with that normally a circuit board is made of fiberglass and the wires are made of copper that is how it is done and all the remote controls work that way i think we can just go on with that then i have read more integration of materials means less cost for the production the more we can make at once in one piece that is cheaper you mean integrate them all into the circuit board exactly so if we make a circuit board with the the connections already on it then that is cheaper okay yeah okay so we have to make something that is not too difficult in design again so you have this is what look like looks like if you press one button so this is not the entire thing you have the the power coming in then you have like a switch the switch if you p press it then some electrical charge goes into the processor that thinks over a morse code that is how you should see it the morse code goes to the amplifier then the signal is sent to 2 light bulbs you have infrared and an interv how to say it a light in indication light that you know that it is functioning here again that is my story about the different modes if you do want to make remote universal then the processor has to make up a different morse code when some button is pressed that makes it much more complex so we really need to have a look do we want that or not i do not have any personal p preferences so far except for the materials to be used light that they are light okay okay that was it that was it i will get back to my thing then okay back this up to the screen so i got some new information on the project specifications are changing a little like you said teletext is not not very popular anymore because the the internet nowadays people do not use the teletext anymore or hardly so it can either well i do not think we should remove the button because there are always people who are using it yeah but i do not think it should be very it should be one of the big buttons for example just put it somewhere or under 2nd option or whatever it is not important anymore we are targeting young people now because our this is a new product and with this new product we want to appeal to younger people which are the younger people were defined under 40 yeah i so i think it is that is also good with the fashion and everything so yeah b yeah and they want to pay for it and they want to pay for it people are willing to spend money actually to buy a remote that they like with more if they like the way it looks the way it functions so they are actually going to spend spend money on it where with more technical specifications yeah in the see how far we can go with it anyway so and one thing that should be important is that the corporate l color and slogan are recognizable yeah which is apparently black and yellow but i am not sure if we i think we should keep the the logo in mind because with colors you can have a lot of fashionable colors and everything on it which suits everybody is taste so with that concept i started thinking so why not just steal nokia is idea and just make changeable covers for your i mean those cost hardly anything i think and people could even spend extra money 0 yeah on buying a cover and so have an entire new remote control that they like to see or we can sh for example we can make a different a basic design and sell the covers separately for example that is just a little marketing idea that could be applied so you can p it appeals to really everyone so you do not have to i think you do not have to make entire remote controls we make a basic one and manufacture this cover separately so that was that was my idea on what we could do to appeal this product to everyone so just i am not sure if you came up with anything in the meantime after making a presentation yeah would you like to share no i think this is a good idea okay but but 0 is it manageable go ahead yeah with with an l c d screen you can is it easy 0 yeah i think we should lose the l c d screen like you said y yes i think so too why yeah i think for example it is it is huge i think the l c d is huge it consumes batteries like hell nokia w i think it takes up a lot of a lot of power yeah and it costs too much to fabricate so we are on a tight budget here it costs a lot i think okay okay what we could do what could be possible is maybe not an l c d screen but with a preview but y i am not sure if it is even possible for example a little t v guide like you have a little just just a text only not color just a little text thing so you can use your remote as a t v guide yeah i am not sure it is even possible but maybe okay make it yeah find a little compromise in that but what did i write down i have to check that out i am not sure yeah i think the p yeah the beep is a very simple thing to imple implement just make a button on your t v and just hit the button it beeps somewhere that must be possible i think it is easy to implement we should go for that ja i am sorry whe where do you want to hit the t you want to we want a button on the television and it is speech recognition i thin yeah i mean where else should you put it in th okay but that rules out a universal remote control because that is not possible yeah but how are you going to use that if your i mean if your remote control is lost how are you going to press where are you going to press the button yeah exactly maybe just a slap on sticker with a button which sends out a small signal a slap on sticker 0 you mean as like a separate thing you can attach to your t v yeah exactly yeah that could be possible a little little box you can attach to your t v is fine then okay okay then i would i would like to know now if we want the universal remote control or not because that is determines everything i am going to do i think it is universal i think we should go for universal because apparently we are a separate company making separate c remote controls to sell to a lot of diverse people if not okay yeah i think universal remote control should be possible okay then i go for that everyone wants to buy it so we w yeah yeah i think we are targeting everyone so remote yeah okay no it is fine with me but then i know what to look for okay universal is good speech recognition i think it is very hard because we are selling across multiple countries so i think implementing speech recognition is such a small apparatus it is very hard to do yeah or one or when you say 12 i it it is enough right and it is yeah but i do not see arabian people speaking 12 whatever but 0 yeah besides that the technology is not really super yet so that is a problem in implementing this it is yeah yeah it is not a mature technology i think it takes a lot of memory and everything in in a remote control so okay it is a good idea but it is just not i do not think the market is ripe for that yet i do not think it should be implemented in a remote control yet huh yeah what else do we have well you should you should look into the in into the materials that are real durable so the the the symbols will not fade maybe a little harder plastic or especially li we do not maybe we do not have have to do all the buttons exactly i already noted that but especially the ones that are the popular buttons so those always fade 1st okay okay the thing is the most important things that we have now let us see if we make a remote control with changeable covers then we can also make a cover for every language area that is fo is especially for older people that they can read it read it in their own language for example well we are not we are not targeting older people we should remember that yeah everything we target is under 40 so that is okay okay you assume that that they read correctly and i think they are the most important thing about young people is that they are really sensitive to to trends that are passing through the world huh but b okay so but should the exchangeable covers include the buttons themselves or just the no of course no i think it is just something you you put over them because yeah we c yeah you ca well but every c that is a problem with the with the text then tha that is not a that is not a bad that is not even it is not even a bad idea i mean for example if you are if you are into the durability issue you could for example if your buttons are faded after i mean if you make a durable remote they are faded you can just buy a new cover i am not sure it is it is hard to make okay but i know that the buttons are like a nokia telephone on one sleeve so you do not have to change your whole cover so it is a good and a bad idea we can make something that you can only remove the sleeve know what i mean 0 0 yeah i know what you mean it works the same as a nokia telephone it is it is in my kay yeah i know it is just just a 11 piece of rubber for example okay yeah exactly yeah yeah that is what i something i have to look into either either change both the buttons and and the cover or just the cover i am not sure which which is easier so anyway yeah this is what we are going to do afterwards just lunch break and have more individual work after that so let us see what we let us see we so you have to come up with a components concept yeah i want some you should do some trend watching because even if we are if we are going to do those covers and everything what people really want yeah that is what we need to know in this phase because that is going to be the essential final design that we are going to come up with yeah okay yeah i think user interface is fairly obvious i mean it should be very intuitive s yeah it should speak for itself pretty straightforward for example i bought a remote control last week with a new t v it was it l it is like all buttons and you have no idea what it does at 1st and i am total t v new anyway so i think it should be have less or l very little buttons and maybe a 2nd 2nd level menu for the advanced things or maybe just stick em under a menu like you said the the sound options and the surround and whatever they are more complicated just stick em under one menu and give it a just put it in in s in a software piece you can menu and you can select everything you want to to set on your t v is it techni technically possible to send a signal to a television and then pops up a menu yeah because we are working with different types of television so we are going to work with that that is true i do not think so no that is true no i do not think so because the television needs to respond to the signal and if it does not know how it is exactly that is not possible yeah that is true it is an in built menu is not it yes so basically we i am not sure if it is impossible but there is a chance it is not so or we could use a double sided for less used functions you a double sided remote control yeah with the cover i do not think that is useful i it is basically an idea to overcome these issues because yeah but then you are going to have a lot of wasted buttons for example you have a sony t v and the half of the buttons will not function if you have a for a sony that will not for a philips t v no but basic functions but functions which are not frequently used yeah because if we use a universal remote control we are going to have to have most buttons on it so i do not think we should yeah for exam yeah i am not s yeah for ex you have to make it a little decision between the part if you want a universal remote control that it should do what people usually do with their t v s not not the very complicated settings that you can usually do that with either a old old remote control if they really hate that thing but but that might be broken you can not you cannot take into consideration all the different brands of t v s i think there is i think there is a standard for example between because usually the the menu is the menu button is is usable between different brands especially the big ones the big brands so cause everybody i have a universal remote control and it can use the menu button so i think i am not sure if you can put some research into that if it is possible i think just a b and the navigation is very basic it is usually the same thing okay but i think there must be a way to invoke the more complicated functions of a television for instance if your old remote control is broken and you buy ours then you should be able to get everything out of the television that is in it yeah yeah that is true yeah yeah because otherwise you will lose functions by buying our i think so we need to put some research into that if if we can open the menu i think it is possible just the way how to yeah okay i thi i think so too yeah yeah yeah then then you could do everything i suppose because usually the t v s have tha that inside in this other little piece of software so it is okay and i think that our r remote control should not look like any other for instance sony makes all their remote controls exactly the same for all their devices and you always grab the wrong one because formatting of the buttons is exactly the same only the labels are different yeah yeah i think it should be a little distinct from everything else because it is either it is both mayb maybe the shape can be a little different we should not do that exactly yeah yeah i have some ideas i have some ideas maybe it is a little more curves or whatever yeah that is your division and with different colors so i will put some on paper and present them next time the ideas that i have yeah this not sure what because we have 40 minutes i am not sure how much time we have left for the meeting anyway so okay i heard a beep go yeah but it was not me it was him closing something yeah so anyway yeah we could do some i do some work now on on the design for example i mean what do you want do you want but yeah but we like some some curves or yeah may maybe something like this but though smooth inside so you have the transmitter here for example yeah let us see that you what would be handy i think that the the buttons should be the channel buttons should be on their own and a light let us see 12 god damn it 0 we get the general ideas yes yeah okay another one here let us see what i think this should these are always on top of the of the control so they should be here yeah and since you are holding it like this i suggest you put the channel up channel down and volume yeah yeah think it is like this volume withi within the yeah just take it so you have the up channel the down channel the volume do we want that horizontal or vertical do you take triangles or it is it is fine i think i think it should be i think it maybe we should make em bigger or whatever this is basically what people are accustomed to so yeah yeah but this is just a g general idea 0 d yeah maybe the menu button can go i in the middle yeah in the middle it is it is usually there but whoa perhaps we should also make something like a flash on it if you if it is lost for people that are deaf they they will not hear the the beep yeah yeah but for example if it is lost in your armchair we will not see the flash you will not be able to find it yeah and flash takes up a lot of batteries again yeah it is true but it is it is only has to do so when you press the button that it is lost just yeah we could make a combination that it goes beep and that you that some light lights up so and l e d on it deaf people yeah i thought about for deaf people for example so we could do that just a light on it or let us see so we have the basic channels we have got here the power button 0 yeah it is true somewhere over here that thing should be central very important you should not be you should not press it by accident but it should not be stacked away somewhere 0 that is i usually press it on top it is at least that is what i am accustomed to yeah i have another idea i am not sure if it is possible yeah like that is going to work and what would you like to yeah i thought maybe we should move the buttons down and put it here for example to but you r and you are reading from the t you always read from the top to the the bottom of it from top to bottom yeah that is true you should i think the bu the power button should be on top cause it is the 1st thing you do turn it on yeah so it is yeah so power button on top okay mute button mute is that somewhere here do we hardly i think it should be at the bottom somewhere is that used often so i it is sorry the mute button mute do people use that often turn the sound off no it is no cause i am pretty much accustomed to it right over here at least in general but i do not think it is important but i think it i think it should be you c you could put it somewhere here it is not that important no or or with the volume selection no because it yeah people are accustomed to that it is around not not at top at the around the volume selection can i have that i do not know where exactly but sure that is j take this out and here see are we going to take triangles anyway i am drawing triangles but that is pretty much what people are accustomed to are not they yeah it is maybe a bigger lesser than thing so anyway i think this is should be the channels and or sh wha well i am accustomed to the channels being on top no yeah here okay yeah me too yeah that is better okay should we chan okay this 2 channel on the right up and down shall we also look if it is possible to make a rechargeable remote that you do not have to buy new batteries if every yeah well for that is it is on one part it is it is a good thing to recharge it maybe it is more ex expensive yeah maybe we should what what could be possible is one with rechargeable batteries for example you have just put penlite batteries that are rechargeable because it is an it is it is it is very annoying but that is already possible but is not that expensive in the entire package yeah i am not sure y i am not sure it is if it is expensive but just take a look at it because it might be a very good idea because if it is it is useful to have it rechargeable but at the same time yes if you do not want recha if you forgot to recharge it and you want to watch t v now yes you want to be able to put different batteries in it use it now and not in half an hour okay you could make a device but i am not sure how that is possible with the costs that you can put in normal batteries how about rechargeable but it you are the remote also can act as a recharger i think i have a nice idea so then you can choose you have every decision know what i mean not exactly you can put in normal penlites rechargeable penlites but they can also be recharged with the remote with a wire yeah yeah i think it is it is a pretty good idea to have like sort of a maybe a base station that you put on the t v so but yeah that is g could be flat you could insert your remote into it but i think that will cost a lot a normal wire would be better i am not sure like a like a p d a a hand held a what you can just put it in the electricity and it charges itself you do not need basic station well we were talking about the fact that we wanted to insert either a beep or a flash into the thing with a little separate signal or so you could put that on a t v for example yes that is possible that is true it could be very flat could be very small but it is a very small yeah i am drawing it big now but so you can put your remote on flat for example which yeah and at the backside of remote just just just a little hole yeah for example you just put it down it recharges for example yeah i do not think it is very expensive but again is not that too expensive yeah cause that means that we have to implement rechargeable batteries a docking station i am not sure if it costs a lot that that is what he r that is that you that is what you buy yourself yes i am going to try to find that out i am not sure if there is information available on this but it is just an idea we have to find out if it is possible but and do people actually want that yeah they want to pay for it to pay extra they want to pay for rechargeable do they want but they want a rechargeable one yeah i am not sure you should find out if it is if rechargeable is important th there was not a el ask esque yeah these are comfort issues but so i think people will pay they wanted to pay for comfort well this is comfort they want to pay for comfort we just assu we we could either make a separate station which just sends a signal to the remote control to either beep or flash to find it but f yes and yeah we have to either that or make it integrated with a with a docking station yeah exactly i think this is a brilliant product i would buy it myself i think it would be good actually i like the beep part anyway so let us go through the i like the covers that is a brilliant idea can can we save this or i never thought covers is covers is good yeah it is 0 we can save this up and saved we even saved the ant okay so what we have is you have i think you have to do a lot of work on if it is possible for the cost i hope if i have information about that i am going to maybe yeah or maybe you can find out i what people are willing to pay yeah yeah we are going for €25 sales price but just try to find out what they are willing to pay for it yeah okay yeah yeah yeah because if they are willing to pay more we could lose a little profit and maybe attract more customers we just have to see what it looks like yeah yeah i would like to make a decision what it costs and what kind of materials that we can choose what we want in it and exactly i need it yeah if you have some financial information that that would be nice so could you post some other essentials of what people want so that i can work with some buttons where to put it yeah you seem to have information on that i would like to see some of it was it not possible to send emails around the office no it was not was not allo it was possible not allowed so no it is not not no so that is why i am not sure that you are allowed to share documents on the on the draft yeah my computer crashed so yeah okay i do not care i lost my presentation but i have not heard any complaints yet so 0 your computer okay i have the well i have your powerpoint presentation i can get some inf information out of that yeah but i here i have the the s the homepage of our let us see internet and here is my yeah the 0 they inc they include the new one or just for you 0 where would we here is my marketing report maybe you ca you can look at that and 0 no i did not have that where would we want the teletext button ah yeah because we decided that it is n not that important and one all it tells just let us make make a new tick the new one do we put it somewhere over here other side yeah let us increase it a little because and wha what people want or maybe this is something for the next meeting i can draw out some ideas i have yeah draw us up some some designs of of possible just keep in mind that the important buttons should be on top and either big i have another thing yeah so the more less important well we have decided more or less the basic structure more or less i can put the other buttons in just play a little with this put l shift a little up or down and we will see what looks best yeah what what did you want to say or just po post your designs from time to time on the product share yeah yeah what i al already said is the the the remote controls are always lost maybe another idea but it it is also for people they want to learn it fast not they want to yeah so we do not want we want very little buttons just the buttons you use a lot no it is yeah it is easy to learn wi and yes but it should cover all the functions so possibly just an idea that popped in well what we had function that what people do so people change channels people they change the volume and they they change channel they turn t v off and on for example that is the basic fu that is what you do i am not sure who present that again but those are the basic function that people use it for so those should be very well represented yeah but we could go a step further because some t v s have the possibility to adjust brightness that kind of menus and the if that is true but that is what we stick under the menu button everything is you say in every t v that is configured under the menu yes but it but that is the question is it because we are making because it needs to be configured in the television under the menu yeah but if it is not then we cannot reach it we need to adjust to the technology but i think most modern t v s have it in their menu i think so too i think so too true is not there a possibility to do research on that so we know that for sure if you rule out functions then and that gets known then people are not going to buy it then the consumer bond or something says you cannot do this and that with it no i thi if that is a bad bad com commercial for okay we will we will see what we can come up with another thing i want to say is that we are looking at the market for the age younger than 40 under 40 yeah that is true on my report i did not ish i did not show it in my presentation because my computer crashed yeah yeah they want to pay for an l c d screen and speech recognition the want to pay for 0 so did they really said it like that i yeah those 2 things yeah and do they realize how much that costs shall we that is almost undoable yeah 0 we are not going to be able to sell it for 25 then with an l c d screen younger age 16 and 45 but that is all here here it says no that is that is even if i if we have this lost unit then we cannot do it for that price yeah age 1640 fi interest in main features more critical if if they okay so we are not focusing on this all the interest in features not really the l c 0 here would you pay for speech recognition in a remote control okay yeah that is true so we can speech recognition is quite we can look at the possibilities for an l c d and i dunno yeah just look at the possibilities then because if apparently it is what people want yeah how much it will cost and it is supposed to be a luxurious remote maybe it is not even that expensive or find a compromise maybe just a black and white or for some extra information on it on your programs i well i doubt it but but i really need finance information me too i mean we all do it will come we all do right i think it is something we should put into consideration apparently it is what people want so we should see if what it costs if it is possible yeah yeah yeah we should do a little thing about design because it looks boring really to me even if you put it even if you put a different cover on it it looks still looks boring so different colors maybe and the design it should differ but all this is philips huh philips has this i have no clue well i had basically i just drew something what which would fit into your hand easily okay something like this to make it kind of futuristic 0 i realize if we make it small then it needs to be a little thicker because i need to put all the electronics in it i think it is a very sorry if we make it s smaller less wide yeah then we need to m make it a little thicker because i have to put all the electronics in it okay yeah but you have to j just keep in mind it should not be too heavy okay i mean we can stick it in in there i think no huh even if in the worst case we can even could you give me the pen back so what kind of yeah sure so let us say that people would want an l c d thing let us take take the basic design again what we 0 crap came up with i will just make it a little bigger now so a transmitter here anyway we could let us say we have an l c d screen people want an l c d screen so then we should probably put it here it does not have to be really big but just just have to be has to be there think it is a good place people do not if you are reading from top to bottom i think it is better to put it at the top no it is not that it is not the most important function it is just an extra thing me too it is j ah but it just you press the buttons on top because your finger is on top but i if you if you are going to put the l c d on it i think it is very important to use it because it is use it how can you use an l c d screen but nee the function of it so you can use it maximum because it is a lot it costs a lot so yeah but why i i am not sure now it is pretty much tucked away in your hand if you t if you press a button you can see it ri i am not sure wha i am trying to imagine myself what it would look like no m i personally would prefer it on the top i am you would prefer it n okay yeah huh so we have 3 people saying it should be on top okay but then you would would s have to stack away your buttons somewhere else but it anyways it is expensive to build it so this looks a little you must use the maximum of it i am still not convinced of the about the l c d s thing yeah well if it if it is if it is possible wi if it is not too expensive we should include it because it is it is cool they want it we should just try to make that if it is possible if it is possible we should really do it but we need that information huh also keep in mind again the l c d screen is very flat but it needs transistors resistors i do not know what more and that needs space but so i have to look if that is possible yeah i know but if we so basically can i what we have to decide now is what goes on top we have green now do we put the volume control and the channel control here or do we put it on he would we like to press it in the middle in middle of it or maybe we should m we could draw draw something a bit that has it on on on the bottom in the middle maybe in a circle for example like we like in this example i think this is not good but for we could make circular buttons for example for up and down ma make it a circle on it because it yes but we do agree that we keep this at the center because it is basically the most important function yeah i think the channel button should be in the center it is the most import yeah channel button should be saint stick together for example here in this section because it is well that would make them quite small we are not sure about the size anyway just a general design so maybe you would put them here you can make it as big as you want for example if you take yes but a big remote control probably not something which people would like no let us see for example just if we have a a space issue we can also lose one battery it is rechargeable so we can stick with one instead of 2 yeah that might be an option i do not think if we if we even use an l c d screen we need to definitely yeah but if we need 2 batteries and an l c d screen that means a lot of space that we need yeah but we have to see what the si what the size is but it has to be a little bit heavier okay the l c d does not have to nee does not need to be very big no but the things behind it space let us see like a process finish meeting now it is on your computer finish meeting now okay we will so would we like this or would we like the so either we either we have to decide what what people want i like this one more either this one this this could be the luxurious one so we have channel buttons here i am just drawing something i think this would this would look cool you could have it for example small buttons here for some extra functions so if your basic function is here we should like we decided before programs up and down and volume here let us see what we have here or and what about speech recognition well you can just no i am not sure if we can do that but we could put a microphone in here for example yeah yeah but or or an l c d or an speech i think it is l c d is better now just to do research into both w what it costs and what it takes for space yeah i will try to yeah but let us cut the meeting for now yes one more thing i would like to say let us give this a name and not like some vague serial number that no one understands like with cars okay yeah okay yeah that is yeah that is okay shall we all try to think about a name so i think of a name yeah let us think of a name okay okay 0 good okay at anyways the the minutes will be on the on the web shortly so there we go so yes go and finish up and i will see you at lunch yeah good luck yeah to all same yeah yeah i have do we save the
wait for the marketing director so anyways yeah now there is not anymore it is really i am not really so you show you wait i am not sure if he is later or later whatever i am going to start soon we have no do not have much time anyway time anyway sorry okay a little bit a little problem with the computer so let us see okay welcome again today functional design phase i will take you over the minutes of lesson that is meeting okay that was just to get to know each other have a little thoughts on what your vision is and on this project so i put the minutes on the i made on the on the the project chair so if you want to review them they are there i will do this so after every meeting so if you have some information you want to take back you can find it there anyways today free presentations for every one of you after i got some new project requirements from project board so we are going to go off go over those later but i want to start with the stuff you did 1st so we can see what everybody came up with and after that we can have the new requirements and share some thoughts so we would like want to go 1st there is no problem take it there was a little problem with my computer so not the whole press station anyway let us see what you have yeah okay i still have it open i want to open the i should close it on your own notebook i guess 0 no yes the functional requirements it is very important for the user who wants to yeah the method we used it is not a slide because it went wrong but the method we used we tested it with 100 men men and we asked them to what the remote feel like and what is important is it people or men people sorry both women i thought it was only men so okay the findings 75% of the users find most remote controls ugly that is pretty shocking so we have to do something about that yeah they want to spend money for a better system for better remote control so we can do a little nice things with it and the use yeah the use sepilot so that is the most important things okay 0 yeah not all is it on my powerpoint presentation 0 yeah the relevant buttons are the power the channel selection and the volume selection it is the most basic buttons the user wants to use and less important teletext they use it but it is not very important on a scale of 0 to 10 they are 65 okay that is okay but not important is the channel selection that is a little weird which change no no no no no that is very important but not so important is audio settings display settings okay we could hide those under a menu or something okay new preferences and beep to find your control that was also in the test like a button on your tv the most people find it irritating when they cannot find their remote control so i think it is a beep to sound it and you can find it and another thing they want was speech recognition so they can say what they want to let us go to channel one and that is the kind of things and they want maybe an lcd screen to look at what is on every channel and what do i want with it i have a little preview on the remote control yeah preview it is on the channel okay is that manageable because it sounds pretty expensive to it is possible but i think it is expensive but do continue yeah my personal preferences is a better for my favorite channel so i can so i can set to my quick to my favorite channel what i so the remote must see or must see what my preferences are for which channel so i can set it yourself it just remembers the channel that you are on most for example what you want the you want it to be programmed for example yeah program or you wanted to recognize your favorite channel i see you spend 20 minutes each day on that channel yeah so it recognizes it is your favorite channel yeah that is what my personal preference okay so it recognizes itself you do not have to set it no it itself maybe it is easier to set it but okay i do not know it is manageable but we will see yeah it is a little bit it is the end of it it is a little bit i lost as the computer crashed no problem it is okay should i go yeah go ahead now so some technical functions basically i have some issues which you discussed earlier let us just start with the method it sounds really easy what does the user do what does the remote control do but there are quite some issues so the things i am going to concentrate on are the user aspect are the user aspect because the technical aspect that is pretty much covered we can do that what goes wrong at the user gets the remote control where is the remote control we have all had it once i want to watch some television where is the remote control that was one of your ideas which you posted in the network folder it is a really good idea these are just the issues i come to some personal experience findings possible solutions later searches for the button there are many buttons on a remote control which are not clear so either we lose those or we try to make it a little bit more clear also symbols tend to fade after a while there is nothing more annoying than faded symbols because you do not know which channel is this button so possibly we could find something for that yes okay covered that 0 yes the user presses the button usually when you have a lot of buttons buttons are small so you press more once remote control goes caboey or something like that so we have to pay attention not to put too many buttons on the remote control yeah and possibly also the size so more important buttons yeah bigger even more durable so this is basically what i had in mind in the remote had in mind in that fade proof symbols locator a sound so clear we should stick to existing symbols but maybe we could do a little investigation to see whether some symbols are need to be replaced by others okay this are pretty much covered so what we want to go to is not this one put more less buttons easy some bigger buttons buttons so that is basically where i had in mind this is not the final design this is just the general idea of yeah how i would like to see yeah i am going to general idea so that was it that was it okay that was good so we agree on the the part that we need to get something on the on the remote to find it somewhere yeah it is a really good idea the durability of the thing so other aspects will just see what he came up with and what is possible for that budget yeah okay that is fine okay that is fine okay now work a little with me okay let us start it okay the method there are a few questions that need to be answered you already talked about it a little bit which buttons i wanted is our remote control universal or should it be programmable if it should be programmable then we need something like a mode that you can switch it because then the buttons have to send out a different signal than they would normally do and how big is the remote control going to be i will tell you why that is important to me there are a lot of technical parts in the remote control so that is why i also would like to say go a little bit easy on the designs i heard you are talking about beeps and about video screens but the material inside and the technical aspects are quite complex already so keep in mind that everything that you keep think of it has to be built so that is not as easy as it might look like material study i am working on that for the costs i have to check out how far i can go with that normally a circuit board is made of fiberglass and the wires are made of copper that is how it is done and all remote controls work that way i think we can just go on with that then i have read more integration of materials means less cost for the production the more we can make at once in one piece that is cheaper you may integrate them all into the circuit board exactly so if we make a circuit board with the connections already on it then that is cheaper so we have to make something that is not too difficult in design again this is what it looks like if you press one button so this is not the entire thing you have the power coming in then you have like a switch the switch if you press it then some electrical charge goes into the processor that thinks of a morse code that is how you should see it the morse code goes to the amplifier then the signal ascends to 2 light bulbs you have infrared and a light how i said a light an indication light that you know that it is functioning here again that is my story about the different modes if you want to make remote universal then the processor has to make up a different morse code when some button is pressed that makes it much more complex so we really need to have a look do we want that or not i do not have any personal preferences so far except for the materials to be used light okay that was it i will get back to to my thing that okay back to this screen so i got some new information on the project specification or changing a little like you said tedx is not very popular anymore because of the internet now that people use teltex anymore or hartley so we can either well i do not think we should remove the button because there are always people who are using it but i do not think it should be very should be one of the big buttons for example just put it somewhere or under a 2nd option or whatever it is not important anymore we are targeting young people now because our this is a new product and with this new product we want to appeal to younger people which are younger people we define under 40 so i think it is it is also good with the fashion and everything so yeah and they want to pay for it and they want to pay for it people are willing to spend money actually to buy a remote that they like they like the way it looks the way it functions so they are actually going to spend on it where with more technical specifications yeah in the course we can go with that anyway so and one thing that should be important is that the corporate color and slogan are recognizable which is apparently black and yellow but i am not sure if we i think we should keep the the logo in mind because with colors you can have a lot of fashionable colors and everything on it which suits everybody is taste so with that concept i started thinking so why i just steal nokia is idea and just make changeable covers for your i mean those cost hardly anything i think and people could even spend extra money on buying a cover so i have an entire new remote control that they like to see or we could for example we could make a different basic design and sell the cover separately for example that is just a little marketing idea that could be applied so you can it appeals to really everyone so you do not have to i think you do not have to make ontario remote controls to make a basic one and manufacture to the cover separately so that was that was my idea on what we could do to appeal this product to everyone so just not sure if you came up with anything in a meantime after making a present that you would like to share 0 i think this is a good idea okay but is it manageable yeah is it easy with an lcd screen you can 0 yeah i think we should lose the lcd screen why for example it is huge i think the lcd is huge it consumes batteries like hell i think it takes up a lot of power it costs too much to fabricate okay what we could do what could be possible is maybe not an lcd screen with a preview but i am not sure if it is even possible i am not sure if it is even possible for example a little tv guide like you have a little just a text only not caller just a little text thing so you can use a remote as a tv guide i am not sure it is even possible i have to check that out i might yeah find a little compromise in that but yeah the beep is a very simple thing to implement just make a button on your tv and just hit the button in beep somewhere i think it is easy to implement you should go over that where do you want to hit the you want a button on the television i think yeah i mean where else should you put it okay but that rules out universal remote control yeah but how are you going to use that if you are i mean if your remote control is lost how are you going to press where are you going to press the button exactly maybe just a slap on sticker with a button which sends out a slap on sticker 0 you mean like a separate thing you can attach to your tv yeah that could be possible little box you can actually to your tv find it okay i would like to know now if we when the universal remote or not because that determines everything i am going to do i think we should go for universal because apparently we are a separate company making separate remote controls to sell to a lot of diverse people i think universal remote controls to be possible okay everyone wants to buy it so yeah i think we are targeting everyone that is fine with me but then i know what is okay universal is good speech recognition i think it is very hard because we are selling across multiple countries so i think implementing speech recognition implementing speech recognition is such a small apparatus is very hard to do or when you say 12 it is yeah i do not see arabian people speaking one and 2 whatever besides that the technology is not really super yet so that is a problem it is not a mature technology i think it takes a lot of memory and everything in the remote control it is a good idea but it is just not i do not think the market is right for that yet i do not think it should be implemented in the remote control yet yeah what else do we have well you should look into the materials that are a little durable so the symbols will not fade maybe a little harder plastic or especially maybe you do not have to do all the buttons but especially the ones that are the popular buttons so those always fade 1st i think that is the most important things that we have now let us see if we make remote control with changeable covers then we can also make a cover for every language area area that especially for all the people that they can read it in our own language we are not targeting older people you remember that everything we target is under 40 so you assume that that they read correctly and i think that the most important thing about young people is that they are really sensitive to to trends that are passing through the world so okay but should the exchangeable covers include the buttons themselves or just no no i think it is just something you you put over them because yeah you can well that is not a bad that is not even a it is not even a bad idea i mean for example if you are into the durability issue you could for example if your buttons are faded after i mean if you make a durable remote they are faded you can just buy a new cover i am not sure it is hard to make but i know the bad idea the buttons are like an orc telephone on a one sleeve so you do not have to change your whole cover we can make something that you can only remove the sleeve you know what i mean it works the same as a nokia telephone it is in my own just one piece of rubber exactly yeah that is what something we have to look into either change both the buttons and the cover or just a cover i am not sure which is easier anyway yeah this is what we are going to do after just lunch break and have more individual work after that so let us see where we let us see so you have to come up with the components concept yeah once you do some trend watching because even if we are going to do those covers and everything what people really want that is what we need to know in this phase because that is going to be the essential final design we are going to come up with yeah i think usually the phrase is pretty obvious i mean it should be very intuitive yeah it should speak for itself for example i bought a remote control last week with any tv it was like old buttons and you have no idea what it does at 1st and i am not a total tv anyway so i think it should be have less or very little buttons and maybe a 2nd 2nd level menu for the advanced things or maybe just stick them under a menu like you said the the sound options and the surround or whatever the more complicated of just stick them under one menu and i give it a just put it in in a software piece you can select everything you want to to set on your tv is it technically possible to send a signal to a television and then pops up a menu because we are working with different types of television so we are going to work with that that is true i do not think so no that is true i do not think so because the television needs to respond to the signal it is a in built menu is not it exactly that is how possible so basically we i am not sure if it is impossible but there is a chance it is not or we could use a double sided for less used functions a double sided remote control yeah i do not think that is useful cover it is basically an idea to overcome these issues yeah but then you are going to have a lot of wasted buttons for example you have a sony tv the half of the buttons one function if you have a for sony that basic functions which are not frequently used because if we need a universal remote control we are going to have to have most buttons on it so a notch yeah for you have to make it a little decision between the part if you want to your universe remote control that it should do what people usually do with their tvs not the very complicated settings they can usually do that with either the old remote control if they really hate that thing but you cannot take into consideration all the different brands of tvs i think there is a standard for example between because usually the menu button is usable between different brands especially the big ones the big brands so i have a universal remote control and it can use the menu button so i think i am not sure if you can put some research into that if it is possible i think just the and the navigation is very basic it is usually but i think there must be a way to invoke the more complicated functions of the television for instance if your old remote control is broken and you buy hours then you should be able to get everything out of the television that is in it yeah that is true otherwise your new functions by buying all we need to put some research into that if we can open the menu i think it is possible okay it is the way how to yeah then you can do everything i suppose because usually the tvs have that inside inside their little piece of software so it is okay i think that our remote control should not look like any other for instance sony makes all the remote controls exactly the same for all the devices and you always grab the wrong one because the formatting of the buttons is exactly the same only the labels are different we should not be a little distinct from everything else because it is either it is both maybe the shape can be a little different it is a little more curves or whatever and with different colors i will put some on paper and present them next time yeah the ideas that i have okay not sure we had 40 minutes i am not sure how much time we have left for the meeting anyway i heard of beep yeah but it was not me it was him closing something so anyway we can do some work now on the design for example i mean what do you want not a tri linger thing but we would like some curves or yeah maybe something like this but a little smooth inside so you have the transmitter here for example let us see that you what would be heading i think the button should be the channel button should be on their own 12 god damn it 0 we get the general idea yeah yeah okay another one here let us see what i think this should these are always on top of the control so this should be here and since you are holding it like this i suggest you put the channel up channel down with it yeah just take it so you have the up channel the volume do we want that horizontal or vertical do you take triangles or well that is fine i think this is basically what people are maybe we should make them bigger or whatever yeah but it is just a general idea maybe the menu button can go yeah in the middle it is usually there perhaps you should also make something like a flash on it if it is lost for people that are deaf they will not hear the beep yeah but for example if it is lost in your armchair you will not be able to find it and flash takes up a lot of batteries again that is true but it only has to do so when you press a button that it is lost we could make a combination that it goes beep and that you aude people yeah i thought about for deaf people for example we could do that just to lie on it or so we have the basic channels we have got here the power button yeah that is true somewhere over here it should be central you should not be you should not press it by accident but it should not be stacked away so much i usually press it on top at least that is what i am accustomed to yeah i have another idea i am not sure if it is possible what would you like to read yeah i thought maybe you should move the buttons on and put it here you are reading from the top to the bottom of it top to bottom yeah that is true you should i think the power button should be on top yeah it is the 1st thing you do turn it on so power button on top okay mute button is that somewhere here i think it should be at the bottom somewhere is that used often sorry the mute button do people use that i am pretty much accustomed to it right over here at least in general i do not think it is important it is not that important no i think it should be or with the volume selection no because yeah people are accustomed to it not at top but around the volume selection i do not know where exactly but take this out here are we going to take triangles anyway i am drawing triangles but that is pretty much what people are accustomed to are not there yeah it is maybe a bigger lesser than thing so anyway i think this should be the channels and what well i am accustomed to the channels being to the channels being here okay yeah that is better okay should be channel okay we go this to channel up and down so we also look if it is possible to make a rechargeable remote that you do not have to buy no batteries that is one part it is a good thing to recharge it maybe it should what could be possible is one with rechargeable batteries for example you have to just put penlight batteries that are rechargeable but that is already possible is it that expensive in the way it is very annoying i am not sure if it is expensive but just take a look at it because it might be a very good idea because it is useful to have it rechargeable but at the same time if you do not want to recharge if you forgot to recharge it and you want to watch tv now if you want to be able to put different batteries in it to use it now and not in half an hour okay now you could make a device but i am not sure how that is possible what the cost that you can put in normal batteries rechargeable i think i have a nice idea the remote also can act as a recharger so then you can choose you have every decision know what i mean not exactly you can put in normal panlights rechargeable panlights but they can also be recharged with the remote yeah yeah i think it is a pretty good idea to have like sort of maybe a base station that you put on the tv it could be flat you could insert your remote into it but i think that will cost a lot a normal wire would be better like a pda a handheld you can just put it in the electricity and it charges itself well we were talking about the fact that we wanted to insert either a beep or a flash into the thing with a little separate signal so you could put that on the tv for example it could be very flat it could be very small it is a very small yeah i am drawing it big now but so you can put your remote on flat for example and at the back side of your remote just a little hole for example you just put it on and it recharges for example i do not think it is very expensive but again is not that too expensive because that means that we have to implement rechargeable batteries a docking station that is what you buy yourself i want to try to find out i am not sure if there is information available it is just an idea and do people actually want that yeah they want to pay for it they want to pay for a rechargeable i am not sure you should find out if it is rechargeable is important there was not asked these are comfort issues but so i think people will pay they want it to pay for comfort pay for comfort well this is i want to pay for comfort which is just so we could either make a separate station which just sends a signal to the remote control to either beep or flash to find it and yeah we have to either that or make it integrated with a docking station i think this is a brilliant product i would buy it myself i think it would be good actually i like the beep part anyway so i like the covers that is brilliant idea can we save this yeah it is 0 we can save this we even save the end and everything so okay so what we have is i think you have to do a lot of work on if it is possible for the cost i hope if i have information about it maybe yeah or maybe you could find out what people are willing to pay we are going for €25 sales price but just try to find out what they are willing to pay just try to find out what they are willing to pay for because if they are willing to pay more we could lose a little profit and maybe attract more customers or just have to see what that looks like i would like to make a decision model what it costs and what kind of material is we can choose what we want in it you have some financial information exactly i need it that would be nice so could you post some other essentials of what people want so that i can work with some buttons where to put it yeah you seem to have information on that i would like to see some of it was it now possible to send emails around the office no it was not allowed it was possible not allowed so that is why i am not sure that you are allowed to share my computer press so i do not care i know you are going to presentation yet so but i have the well i have your powerpoint presentation i can get some information out of that here i have to see the homepage of our internet are they include the new one 0 where would we here is my marketing report maybe you can look at that where would we want the teletext button because we decided that it is not that important do we put it somewhere over here let us say yeah just increase it a little because and what people want maybe this is something for the next meeting i can draw it some it draws up some designs of possible i have another thing just keep in mind that the important button should be on top and either bake so that it is more or less we have decided more or less i can put the other buttons in just play a little with this shift a little up or down and we will see what looks best what did you want to say or just post your designs from time to time on the product share what i already said is the remote controls are always lost but it is also for people they want to learn it want to learn it fast not they want to do so we do not want to we want very little buttons just the use a lot it is yeah it is easy to learn it should cover all the functions so possibly just an idea that we had functioned what people do so people change channels people they change the volume and they they change channels they turn tv off and on for example that is the basic that is what you do i am not sure who present that again but those are the basic things that people use it for so those should be very well represented yeah but we could go a step further because some tvs have the possibility to adjust brightness that kind of menus that is true but that is what we stick under the menu button everything is usually in every tv that is configured under the menu but that is a question because it needs to be configured in a television yeah but if it is not then we cannot reach it we need to adjust to the i think most modern tvs have it in their menu true is not there a possibility to do research in that and we know that for sure if you rule out functions then and that gets known then people are not going to buy it then the consumer bond or something says you cannot do this and that with it it is bad commercial we will see what we can come up with another thing i want to say is that we are looking at the market for the age younger than 40 that is true on my report i did not show it in my presentation because my computer press they want to pay for an lcd screen screen and speech recognition i want to pay for did i really say it like that yeah those 2 things did i realize how much that cost that is almost unduable we are not going to be able to sell it for 25 then but that is even if you have this if they are lost units then we cannot do it for that price okay so we are not focusing on this all the interesting features not really the else is not really the lcds is not really the lcd would you pay for speech recognition remote control okay so we can speech recognition is we can look at the possibilities for an lcd and yeah just look at the possibilities because apparently it is what people want how much it will call it is supposed to be a serious remote maybe it is not even that expensive or find a compromise maybe just black and white for some extra information i doubt it but i really need finance information me too we all do we all do i think it is something we should put into consideration apparently it is what people want so we should see what it costs if it is possible yeah yeah we should do a little thing about the design because it looks boring really to me even if you put it even if you put a different cover on it it looks different color so maybe and a design this is like philips i have no clue i just do something which would fit into your hand easily something like this to make it kind of futuristic 0 i realize if we make it small then it needs to be a little thicker i think it is a very the elitronica in it if we make it smaller less wide then we need to make it a little thicker because i have to put all the electronics in it yeah we have to okay just keep in mind it should not be too heavy i mean we can stick it in there i think even if in the worst case you can even you get me the pen back yeah sure so let us say people would want an lcd thing let us take the basic design again 0 crap what came up with let us make it a little bigger now so it tries me to hear let us say we have an lcd screen people want an lcd screen so then we should probably put it here it does not have to be really big but it just has to be there think it is a good place people do it if you are reading from top to bottom i think it is better to put it at the top it is not the most important function it is just an extra thing you press the buttons on top because your finger is on top if you are going to put the lcd on it on it i think it is very important to use it because it is how can you use an ocd screen but now the function of it so you can use it maximum because it costs a lot so why i am not sure now it is pretty much tucked away in your hand if you press a button you can see it right i am trying to imagine myself what it would look like i personally would prefer it on the top you would prefer no okay so we have 3 people saying it should be on top okay but then you would have to stack away your buttons somewhere else it is so expensive to build it so i am still not convinced to the well if it is possible if it is not too expensive we should include it because it is cool we should just try to make out if it is possible if it is possible we should really do it but we need that information also keep in mind again the lcd screen is very flat but it needs transistors resistors i do not know what more and that needs space so i will have to look if that has got yeah i know so basically what we have to decide now is what goes on top do we put the volume control and the channel control here or do we put it on here would we like to press in which in the middle in the middle there is something that has it on the bottom maybe in a circle for example maybe in a circle for example like in this example i think this is not good but we could make circular buttons for example for up and down we do agree that we keep this at the center because it is basically the most important i think the channel button should be in the center yeah channel button should be stick together for example here in this section well that would make them quite small we are not sure about the size anyway just the general design you can make it as big as you want for example if you take a big remote control is probably not something which people would like let us see if we have a space issue we can also lose one battery it is rechargeable so we can stick with one instead of 2 that might be an option if we even use an lcd screen we need 2 definitely yeah but if we need 2 batteries and an lcd screen that means a lot of space that we need yeah we will have to see what the size is lcd does not need to be very big no but the things behind behind it then in space let us see finish meeting now so would we like this or would we like the we have to decide what people want either this one this could be the luxurious one so we have channel buttons here i am just drawing something i think this would look cool you could have it for example example small buttons here for some extra functions so if your basic functions here what should like we decided before programs up and down and volume here and what about the speech recognition you can just now i am not sure if we could do that but i could put a microphone in here or an lcd or in a speech i think it will see is better just to do research into both what it costs and what it takes for space yeah but let us cut the meeting for now one more thing i would like to say let us give this a name and not like some value serial number that no one understands like with god yeah okay shall we all try to think about a name i think of a name okay okay okay anyways the minutes will be on the web shortly there we go just go and finish up and i will steal that lunch yeah good luck yeah too all same i need to lunch break i think yeah yeah i will do you just even the question yeah i question you i do not know that you will be