so we come again for the the 2nd meeting for the aim of this meeting now is to to make presentation about the work for each one and take the the decision about the the design and the functionality of the the remote okay control okay and we have think i got a new project requirement so i think teletext becomes outdated so the popularity of the since the popularity of the internet and i think we do not need lighting adaptive okay so the remote control should be only used for the the television and of course we should have our image in the in the design so let us start with the the industrial designer yeah alright so or y you can use the whiteboard if you want well i have a powerpoint pr presentation stored in my here in my personal folder so i i i think you can reach it from here just go to explorer or open 0 okay participant 2 participant 2 this one yeah open open do you want to open because it is open you mean right so i will talk about the the w working design and f 5 slide show view slide show ah and well i i will present my my 1st idea on how to build the our new remote control for television so can you go one page down please so i think the 1st things to do is to define the hardware components neededs to achieve what we want to do so i am thin i think i i will do a survey about what is what is available on the market and what what is the the cheapest possible things we hav we can use then i will try with the technical team to to build a prototype and to see with h how this little box would look look like and how an and we can start troubleshooting 1st com communication problems or things like that and when we are ready with this 1st prototype i i think we can add some software functionalities on a programmable chip like browsing by content or things like that okay so can you go down so wha what i think for now is we do not want to have a remote control w which is wired so i think we u we can use a battery for the then 2 programmable chips for both software functionalities and communication and the communication with the t v set is made through infrared communication so this is the the schema of the 0 of the future remote controls so you can you can see the components did you draw it wow battery and the 2 chips goes to the infrared connection to the t v set this this what is the other chip for the one on top the one on top is for the well the functionali the functionalities and the the th red sorry the green one is is to well one is a communication putting things together f transform the data into qu into the format to to to communicate with the t v set for men to the in okay and that is it i think we should use a f p g a for for the functionalities which is easy to to t what is f p g a it is field programmable something array gateway arrays yeah it is a field programmable gateway arrays so why is it how is it different from the bluetooth well a f p g a is just a chip you can you can pr program it wi with wh whatever you want yeah program it yeah okay and well the bluetooth chip is just responsible to make the communication between the 2 devices yeah so this are the they have to work together or do they have to work together or 2 separate choice no well th the f p g a will produce the the data to send okay or it is something like is not hardware the 1st one and the 2nd one is for the software is the is the software par alri okay yeah to run th to make it run yeah that is it okay okay so you can control if you want right yeah no alright and that is it for the working design so if you have any questions okay and how about the battery power you mean that battery would be somewhere there and the remote contro the power to the battery comes through infrared no no no no i think we have to to have embedded b batteries in in the yeah into the t into the more compact and okay yeah yeah and i i do not think it will need very much power to make it run so yeah yeah okay you can put it on the charger when you when you do not need to use it yeah it is a good idea yeah that is right yeah having a charger rather than putting the battery cells always yeah yeah yeah people do not like it to have to buy the batteries when they run out yeah we just make a small charger and put it y yeah yeah because you are using because you are using bluetooth if some people have p d a they can use their p d a to control the t v if they want to right that is a good idea you can i yeah ma also but but i i i think the the goal is to sell our remote control bu i dunno yeah we can change the b our remote we do not want to make it p d a yeah s okay so charger for is the so is mine it is mine 0 participant one no yeah this your 0 we have so let us move to to user interface design yeah so you can open 3 participant yeah so so i am working on the technical functions design can you show the next slide so the the purpose is to to find the important questions to ask is what effect should the apparatus have so so i found on a webs on the internet yeah during the weekend i spent a lot of time searching and and i found that the function of remote control is to send messages to television set that is good g for example switch on switch off switch the next channel and so on and so on so i found 2 very good prototypes for for this interface from our competitors so can you this are usual functionality yeah yeah yeah ours is a bit different so these are 2 example one is from the other one is from yeah engineering centr yeah tasks this is the most competing prototypes i have found but then loo but then i found if you look at you see on the left one there are too many buttons and they are small yeah 0 on the right i tried to play with the problem is that if i have 100 channels i have i have to choo press the other button to choose the 100 channels and i have to compose the number so it is very lousy yeah of course so you so you move to the next the next one yeah so i talk about the problem and then i i look at the user manual they are a 100 pages thick so we do not want that yeah so i propose the easy to use prototype you can navigate on t v screen and we can the user is preference and we need to have the t v connected to internet so we end in order to access the t v programs by x m l and we need some to do some preprocessing from the technical aspect the processing should be done on the t v set than on the on the remote controller right and then we the speech recognition as harry says we may just put in we may k i v what do you mean by the pa pa processing will be done on the t v yeah all the processing is done the t v is a compu has some processing power the than the so we have to t so we should have specific t v yeah or we have to sell a t v with the remote control too we can use this yeah we do not yeah because are you just wondering what controller okay yeah i think so yeah not the t v s j j just the remote control i think there there is there is al there there is a a technology like show view who is already available on most of the t v set on recorders or thing like that and we can try t to get this information on to the remote control to to do the processing on the remote control because yeah okay yeah yeah okay yeah that is right so i the processing on on the remote controller so it can u be used in any t v any conventional t v sets yeah we yeah okay speech recognition n yeah that is all the next one so i come up with a simple design just keep the v navigation buttons yes that is a good idea i think keep the navigation but we d we do not we we do not need really much buttons to i if we have a screen to navigate on on the t v so yeah yeah well f 45 buttons it is sufficient yeah it is easy to build yeah that is right it does not consume much power okay that is all 0 but you have a catch there assume that if you want to go to if you are watching channel 2 and if you want to go to channel 99 then well then y you you go to the main menu and you have go to channel and then you can no because you choose by channel so you choose by t v program so you do not have 100 channels to choose from yeah huh huh huh huh maybe you if you go by channel you do not have to do that but i i think i i if you if you want to to make well a a big jump but well you you have to to have a a a device when you could you could but so you are ah ah a big jump yeah then yeah that is right a mouse or well not a mouse but something that that says more clearly that right left up down yeah well the to have the ability to to to write something to the navigator maybe directly or okay okay so we can think of buttons like in the telephone to send messages or things like that but we will see how the this remote it is going to be small yeah of course small yeah so it will beep if you want to find it you just shout y h just it just has to re respond to you when you look for the device too small that it goes under the sofa and we can not find it yeah that is i dunno how bu just give it a name and we call him and responds to you and yeah that is right yeah that is right okay so next presentation participant 4 so harry okay after having the inputs from industrial design and user interface i think most of the points which i want to are already covered here and to find the most interesting features what the users would be interested then what we have done is we have put a feedback forms in all the magazines and the users send the feedbacks and based on that these are the findings which we got and yeah adding of a speech interface is always good for a t v remote but the technology we already know that as discussed earlier well i i think it will be a yes a bit complicated to make a speech recognisers runs on the small ts an it does how feasible it is i but i think if you to recognize numbers it is a well studied problem i if you just recognize numbers is a limited you have limited vocabulary 0 we can put an limited vocabulary as in the mobile phones yeah we just have the and this can allow to choose the the program for instance without adding buttons yeah so it is a good idea it is not going to take much space also it is going to be very slim and next one was the size of the remote control it has to be of course a very slim and small one and of course most of the people are interested in if it is less expensive so this is an important criteria here is but but do you think what they sug suggested s possibility i mean we have to look for a trade off the features and the cost yeah i no i i think that i if we go for quality people may tolerate for high quality and of course comes with reasonable cost yeah maybe not less but they may be willing to pay little bit more if it is with extra features little bit more for comfort yeah extra features yeah it yeah yeah s s speech is a important extra feature i think okay yeah yeah that is right but is it useful or not u yeah well i do not know there is in the i mean for a lazy guys they could say 9 and the 9 channel comes or they say movie name or i do not go for movie names but only for the numbers on the channel or volume up volume down brightness contrast so i think this should be a good idea to put this features and the 4th one was the teletext in various languages well we are we we just have to find a mean how to to add a m a a a microphone or well yes a microphone into the the remote control i think so i well it will be alright i think i what is the teletext if it is necessary can you can do that we can integrate small microphone in the remote so it is not really a problem yeah okay what about lighting adaptive options yeah as discussed in the earlier meeting but i think not much people are really interested in this point if it is not really required according to the re to the new requirements i think we do not need that yeah it is interesting but we are only concerned with the remote controller so you need s special t v sets to do that or it is it is done via this remote controller it is very complex i mean yeah i think it is a bit complex too i mean yeah it is for the industrial design and users interface designers to decide if it is going to be working or not for our next product our new t v set with automatical sound adjustment light i think yeah then we can conclude that yeah yeah but it is quite possible but maybe not in this project so we have i think we have s still we have couple of minutes so any things to to discuss i think as i discussed th that 4 points would be good for marketing or any suggestions the speech interface and less reasonable cost expensive price and the lighting adaptation and the teletext and regarding the teletext these are the subtitl these are the text information which you got on the televisions okay if you are watching an foreign movie you get subtitles sometimes yeah okay and if you are a french guy watching an english movie you would like to have it in french and if i am a german then i would like to have the my options in german so the remote it should have some it should give me some flexibility of choosing the ch languages function that should be a good point yeah but well what about the the new project is requirement i i i think we should give up with teletext no i think we we can we is the yes well so maybe we we can j we can already think about a way to to access the internet via the television because if using the t v to access the internet or what i did not quite understand yeah but we can think that in a few years there will be t v set that can access the internet yeah yeah okay so it is a good idea if i i if we i if if we think about how to to to build up our remote control w with this functionality in a w which will c which will come in a few years we already have some so if we already have it in our remote control so you have to anticipate the the future yeah yeah the future demand market demand yeah yeah that is right yeah to desi well not not to implement it but to well to find a way to to add to add this functionality in a yeah in an in an easy manner if is possible the functionality in the future in future alright yeah because all the t v sets will be digital right all the programs everything will be in digital than analog th the system will change and we have to anticipate for those change yeah yeah yeah okay okay so so let us go for the the lunch break and okay thank you we will meet after okay thank you okay thank you
i am going to so we come again for the 2nd meeting for the aim of this meeting now is to make presentation about the work for each one and you will take the decision about the design and the functionality of the remote and we have i think i got a new project requirement so i think tilly text becomes outdated so the popularity of the since the popularity of the internet and i think we do not need lighting adaptive so the remote contour should be only used for the television and of course we should not have our image shot in the design so let us start with the industry designer yeah right so i can use the white board when i have a powerpoint presentation stored in my in my personal folder so i think you can reach it from here just go to explorer or open participant to participant to no open because it is opening it alright so i will talk about the working design slideshow a view slideshow and well i will present my 1st idea on how to build our new remote control for television so can you go one page down please so i think the 1st things to do is to define the hardware components needed to achieve what we want to do so i am thinking i think i will do a survey about what is a valuable on the market and what is the cheapest possible things we have we can use then i will try with the technical team to build a prototype and to see with how this little box would look like and we can start troubleshooting 1st communication problems or things like that and when we are ready with this 1st prototype i think we can add some software functionalities on a program chip like browsing by content or things like that okay so can you go down so well what i think for now is we we do not want to have a remote control which is wide so i think we we can use a battery for the the alimentation then 2 programmable chips for both software functionalities and communication and the communication with the tv set is made through infrared communication so this is the schema of the drawing wow of the future remote control so you can see the components battery and the 2 chips the 2 chips goes to the infrared connection through the tv set what is the other chip for the one on top the one on top is for the well the functionality and the the red sorry the green one is to well putting things together transform the data into the format into the format to protocol to communicate with the tv set okay and that is it i think we should use a fpga for for the functionality which is easy to what is the fpga it is field programmable something array yes it is a field programmable gateway arras so how is it different from the bluetooth well fpga is just a chip you can you can program it with whatever you want and the bluetooth chip is just responsible to make the communication between the 2 devices so these are the they have to work together or do they have to work together or 2 separate choice well the fpga will produce the data to send okay or it is something like is in hardware the 1st one and the 2nd one is for the software it is a software part yeah to make it run that is okay okay so you can control with your notebook if you want right yeah all right and that is it for the working design so if you have any questions okay and how about the battery power you mean that battery would be somewhere there and the remote control the power to the battery comes through infrared no no no i think we have to have embedded batteries in the into the yeah into the more compact and yeah yeah and i do not think it will need very much power to much power to make it run so yeah yeah okay you can put it on a charger when you when you do not need to use it is a good idea yeah that is right having a charger rather than putting a battery cells always people do not like it to have to buy the batteries when they run out we just to make a small charger and put it because you are using if some people have pda they can use their pda to control the tv if they want to also but but but i do not know yeah we can not change the i think the goal is to sell our remote we do not want to make a pdf so so charge of alimentation is that key so it is mine it is mine participant one no yeah that is your we have 14 so let us move to move to to user interface design yeah so you can open 3 yeah so i am working on the technical functions design so the next slide so the purpose is to to find the important questions to ask is what effect should the apparatus have so i found on the website on the internet during the weekend yeah i spent a lot of time searching and i found that the function of remote control is to send messages to television set for example switch on switch off switch to next channel and so on and so on so i found 2 very good prototypes for this interface from our competitors so can you these are usual functionality yeah yeah ours is a bit different so these are 2 examples one is from opeg the other one is from yeah engineering centered yeah this is the most competing prototypes i found but then i found if you look at you see on the left one there are too many buttons and they are smored yeah on the right i tried to play with the problem is that if i have 100 channels i have to choose press the other button to choose the 100 channels and i have to compose the number so it is very lousy so you move to the next one yeah so i talk about the problem and then i look at the user manual there are 100 pages thick so we do not want that yeah so i propose an easy to use prototype you can navigate it on tv screen and we can pre feiter user is preference and we need to have the tv connected to the internet so in order to access the tv programs by xml and we need to do some pre processing from the technical aspect the processing should be done on the tv set than on the remote controller right and then we the speech recognition as harry says we may just put in we make kiv what do you mean by the preprocessing will be done on the tv yeah all the processing is done the tv has some processing power there so we have we should have specific tv or we have to use this a tv with the remote control yeah because 0 you just want remote controller yeah i think so there is a technology like show view who is already available on most of the tv set on recorders or things like that and we can try to get this information onto the remote control to do the processing on the remote control yeah that is right okay so we do processing on the remote controller yeah so it can be used in any tv only conventional tv set yeah okay special cognition yeah it is all in the next one so i come up a simple design just keep the navigation buttons yes that is a good idea i think we do not we do not need really much buttons to if we have a screen to navigate on tv so yeah 4 or 5 buttons it is sufficient it is easy to build it does not consume much power okay that is all but you have a catch there assume that if you want to go to if you are watching channel 2 and if you want to go to channel 99 then well then you go to the main menu and you have a go to channel and then you no because you choose by channel so yeah you choose by tv programs so you do not have 100 channels to choose from if you go by channel you do not have to do that well but i think he said if you if you want to make a well a big jump a big jump yeah that is right well you have to have a device when you could a mouse or not a mouse but something that says more clearly that right left up down down to have the ability to write something to the navigator maybe directly we can think of buttons like in the telephone to send messages or things like that how do the external this remote it is going to be small yeah of course it is too small that it goes so fun we can not find it so you if you want to find it you just shut you just it just has to respond to you when you look for the device yeah i do not know how but we just give it a name and we call him and your response to you and there yeah that is right okay so next presentation what is she been for okay after having the inputs from industrial design and user interface i think most of the points which i wanted are already covered here and to find the most interesting features what the users would be interested then what we have done is we have put a feedback forms in all the magazines and the users sent the feedbacks and based on that these are the findings which we got and yeah adding up a speech interface is always good for a tv remote but the technology we already know that i have discussed earlier i think it would be yes a bit complicated to make a speech recognizer runs on the small it has seen how feasible it is but i think if you just want to recognize numbers it is a well studied problem if you just recognize numbers you have limited vocabulary 0 we can put a limited vocabulary as in the mobile phones we just have the and this can allow to choose the program for instance without adding buttons yeah so it is a good idea it is not going to take much space also it is going to be very slim and next one was the size of the remote control it has to be of course a very slim and small one and of course most of the people are interested in if it is less expensive so this is an important criteria here but do you think what they suggested is possible to be i mean we have to look for a trade of the features and the cost i think that if we go for quality people may tolerate for high quality and of course comes with reasonable cost maybe not less but they may be willing to pay a little bit more extra futures yeah extra futures yeah speech is a important extra future yeah that is right but is it useful or not well there is a noise i mean for a lazy guys they could just say 9 the 9th channel comes or just a movie name i do not go for movie names but only for the numbers on the channel or volume up volume down brightness contrast so i think this should be a good idea to put these features and the 4th one was the teletext in various languages well we just have to find the mean how to add a microphone or well yes a microphone into the the the remote to control so i think it will be alright what is the teletext if it is necessary we can you can do that we can integrate small microphone in the remote so it is not really a problem okay what about lighting adaptive options yeah i was discussed on the earlier meeting but i think i think not much people are really interested in this point if it is not really it is interesting but we are only concerned with the remote controller so you need special tv sets to do that or it is done via this remote controller it is very complex yeah i think it is a bit complex too i mean yeah it is for the industrial design and users interface designers to decide if it is going to be working or not next product our new tv set with automatic sound adjustment yeah but it is quite possible but maybe not in this project we have i think we have still we have a couple of minutes so any things to discuss i think as i discussed that 4 points would be good for marketing the speech interface and the less reasonable cost and the lighting adaptation and the teletext and regarding the teletext these are the types these are the text information which you got on the televisions okay if you are watching a foreign movie you get in subtitles sometimes and if you are a french guy watching an english movie you would like to have it in french and if i am a german then i would like to have my options in german so the remote it should give me some flexibility of choosing the languages that should be a good point yeah but what about the the new projects requirement i think we should give up with teletext well so maybe we can we can already think about our way to access the internet you have the television because if using the tv to access the internet i did not quite understand but we can think that in a few years there will be tv set that can access the internet yeah okay so it is a good idea if we think about how to build up our remote control with this functionality which will come in a few years so if we already have it in our remote control the future yeah the future demand market demand well not not to implement it but to want to find a way to add the functionality in the future yeah in an easy manner if it is possible yeah because all the tv sets will be digital right all the programs everything will be digital then analog the system will change and we have to anticipate for those yeah okay okay so let us go for the lunch break and okay thank you thank you i am sorry thank you