more if not more yeah okay okay so the 3 of you and let us see m myself and maarika who is not here and but i think so it it occasionally melissa will all be doing checking of the transcriptions so this is the 2nd pass these transcriptions are receiving and that is pretty straight forward i think you all kn basically have an idea what is involved okay but the extra step that we are asking you to do f in this case is to look at the silent regions and listen to them for each channel and make sure that no back channels were lost for example yeah back channels is what you n typically would find although by and large these are going to be silent so so you can start s checking by y well you you know you can order it in any way you like but start with the 1st channel and go through it entirely i would recommend i have found that it is easier when you are checking and you are trying to make sure the boundaries are right for a speech segment i would recommend like say this one go down here to the trascription transcription tier and select that it so that when you play you are certain that when it stops you have caught the whole speech signal for that utterance and have not lost any signal information otherwise it it is liable to keep on running and you might not notice where it where it finishes so it it takes a little time but alternatively i you you could just listen to the speech segments again and make sure everything is correct for those and so you could just hit and then like that and then go back and check the the silence regions in between how it if if you want to make your job a little more interesting you can d do it in m different ways on a different day yeah it does not matter as long as it gets done so we so are we checking what is actually been transcribed already as well as the silences so yeah yeah yeah you are doing so that is that is the role of the checker is to check what is said in the silent regions in the speech regions and then make sure nothing was lost in the silent regions 0 okay you are also responsible for resolving any uncertainties that were marked by the original transcriber and and you know of course there are going to be m many situations where you like the 1st transcriber can not make any sense of it and in that case it will be up to you to use the at symbol and that can be used to represent one unintelligible word or multiple intelligible words but just use one at symbol yeah exactly and so that once you go through all the s speech regions and all the non speech regions an 0 you could make another step of doing a search using going under the edit menu you can do a search for yeah find replace for open parentheses and that will take you to any that it any that the 1st transcriber might have marked out find replace yeah so there is one and then you can just resolve those all one by one as as a different set of changes altogether huh 0 alright kay and and likewise for the double question marks just once you have gone through and resolved all the open parentheses you can do the same for op double question marks 0 yeah and and like i said if you if you can not make any sense of it then just use the at symbol if you can just give it you know give it your best guess in these cases how much should you want i had a few times where i thought well it could be this if but if you are not entirely sure that it could be cause it c it could be a combination of something else yeah like put the guess down or leave it as ambiguous in some way yeah it is i would if you are v if you are quite certain then i would go ahead and type what you think it was said right if if you v think that n y there is maybe a th 30% chance you are wrong or or more there is a chance they could be it is usually a context problem because i think sometimes if it is not intelligible you either tend to because you really want it to fit the context yeah yeah yeah you tend to take the closest actual word that would fit the context or if it sometimes it sounds very clear as a word itself but then would not make sense at all and then you m question you know 2nd guess whether it is really what you heard right so maybe a good idea would be to listen to each channel one by one do listen to the silent and non silent regions and make all those corrections leave the unknowns the ambiguities the uncertainties uncertainties until later so go through all the channels and do that and then then you should have the context from all 4 speakers yeah and then go back and do those searches one by one for each channel how would that be does that sound good yeah it does tend to help that is what i have been doing so far yeah okay once you have been through the passage you have worked out what they are talking about you know it took li it like the 3rd time til i thought 0 you are saying f 5 you will you will know all too well what was said in this meeting by the time you yeah yeah yeah i think that would be really helpful it just came out of nowhere that would help us you know nab a good number of those uncertainties but if there is a chance that it is equally likely that they could have said something or they could have said something like ice cream and i scream then just choose one and leave it right choose one it c i mean y think of it from a speech recognition point of view again and always this should be this should motivate you be robust yeah what is most robust for a speech recognition and and leave out anything so you are well geared towards this task we just started our speech recognition assignment just now that is always fun so i have gone through sorry i have done that too you are an s l p person 0 never i i do not want to interrupt it 0 no no no when i did my masters i took s p one and s p 2 with simon king go ahead go ahead you survived s p one and s p 2 yes and actually i have done quite well in s p one i have done it a bit worse in s p 2 because it was a l a lot more challenging we have 2 new teachers for s p 2 okay too many and i will ask you later on like if you still have your notes yeah right okay back to the topic okay okay so this is one i have gone through i have just done one channel and there were lots of lots and lots and lots of things as you can see cause i have got square brackets around all the things that need to be changed so this person did not ha th obviously did not know about capitalisation so just about every utterance needs to be capitalized and and needs the end punctuation you know when you get like someone is talking and there is they sort of pause in the middle of a sentence that is long enough for it to put a break in yeah but they are actually sort of carrying on the sentence do you have to capitalize each time you transcribe a bit if it is mid no no no whatever makes sense to you no no no no yeah okay but no it it can continue into the next segment and that is perfectly fine yeah just okay yeah so it is put the hyphen and then i think that is actually the only case where you do not or where you are not supposed to capitalize right the hyph right so if it is quite clear that the sentence is being carried on the p you know the sentence from the previous segment is being carried on then that is when you do not capitalize otherwise you do okay and you only use the hyphen i think when the sentence is definitely not continuing anywhere yes 0 right okay yeah i have done a few of those wrong then when someone comes to check it yeah as in like it is i will review some of these things after i go through this a bit just to re cap yeah yeah th these are things that i have after checking t everybody is work these are things that were commonly left out or you know misc mis transcribed whatever okay so i will go over those t as an opportunity to use the white board okay so this person left out a lot of end punctuation and here is a case where i think she was transcribing an out breath or possibly an in breath t in and used the hash mark in any case i did not hear anything and and you should not be transcribing in breaths or out breaths okay right that is n information we do not need 0 you know this is the head set mic and i heard something there it was the creaky voice it was but it wa yeah it was a bit of a yeah it was creaky so yeah f creaky voice yeah but it is c really connected to the word can we hear it again yeah and you sometimes you do not know really whether it is a mic noise or that person is making that noise yeah well i did not think it was im let us see wait yeah yeah from the s there is there is actually quite a bit more in there than than i heard before from the this is so i w i heard a creaky voice and it was audible of the level of the rest of the speech so i would i would keep that i think that is good 0 okay i was adding that that is what i was doing yeah that makes sense okay there you go so there is things like that sh there is a missing false start here that did not get caught okay so i added that in so that that is something that is quite common in the transcriptions that i have looked at okay missed false starts missed m and how exact do we have to be there because you know some people tend to stutter more than others and then they would have a false start 4 or 5 times in a row and how important is it to listen to it really until you have got the exact number of a things right try to get it right yeah i mean the it i think syllables should be accounted for for th yeah well cause sometimes they go you know like that and then you are not really sure whether it is 3 times or 4 yeah yeah well do not let it drive you crazy cause there is one speaker melissa just played for me today and he stutters horribly i mean i i i would you know it is unfortunate for him and for us cause it is really going to be a nightmare to transcribe yeah yeah yeah so you will have to draw the line somewhere yeah but if you c if it is say 4 repeated if the word is repeated 4 times then that is not too hard to count i have not come across something that has been i have not come across anything exceeding 4 i do not think yeah have you well it is not that the word is if the word were the whole word were being used 4 times that would not have been that difficult but sometimes it is just a false start which is really just maybe one or one5 phones and then repeated and then you do not really know whether one is a long duration of one or whether it is actually 2 huh yeah yeah and that kind of thing so it is i think it was a word starting with d and the person was going or s you know yeah yeah make your best guess yeah try to listen to it carefully enough but not not so that you are obsessing over it for too long i would say and sometimes with the i would be thinking are you anticipating a or you are you t trying to say the and you are just saying the the the the the alright well there again f think about robustness and speech recognition and it really does not matter yeah yeah if it is a word fragment who cares yeah well speaking about it you are marking it as a fragment and that is what is important yeah yeah speaking about robustness if if somebody has an accent that you can only really understand what they are saying due to world knowledge yeah it what they say it does not really actually sound at all you know what it is then do you transcribe more phonetically or do you put a star of after every single one word well i would not de be using the star so liberally for a non native speaker or yeah that is what i thought that you are not supposed to do it but the one there is one i am transcribing right now you know a whole batch of dialogs where all 4 participants are non native and there is especially one there that i think he is eastern european and i think that is the only reason i can understand what he is saying at all because i am eastern european and but if we would just play it i think to a recognizer then what he says you know the way he realizes words sounds nothing at all like it it should be well right right i mean and and for that matter a lot of n native english speakers realizations are not going to be so true to yeah yeah i try to take consistency if they always stress the wrong part of the word yeah then i think okay i will let that in but if if it comes out and like one word is yeah yeah no it is less of a s it is less of a stress it is really like his i do not know just the phonemes sounding differently yeah well i would not bother to mark all of those instances though well you can not really because it would be all of it no i mean yeah they are they are you are going to find that for any speaker they have a set way of of realizing these things and and it is just like fiona was saying that the the word that stands out is something really aberrant like i am thinking of i i have used this example before there is a guy who says project instead of product and it is something like project and it is probably just his his pronunciation of of 0 0 ah yeah 0 i think i have transcribed him and i had project at all evolution criteria yeah well it it they were clearly talking about a product so so i m i marked that as a m mispronunciation or s or something to flag anyway yeah okay yeah and one guy who was saying evolution each time he meant evaluation and it took me a whole dialog yeah yeah 0 evaluation yeah i i have i remember that that one i would i would flag just like you did it that is something definitely to mark up yeah but that is really something i would always transcribe it you know for lack of better knowledge or lack of context and then at the end of the dialog it dawned on me that he actually meant evaluation yeah yeah and then i went back and replaced i replaced it in the whole transcription that is good that is good well at the moment we have a lecturer that can i can never quite s tell if he is saying problem or program program problem yeah and it i can not actually say but when i am listening to i am thinking and i can not tell yeah alright yeah i kn i do not know what to s tell you about n certain speakers yeah yeah basically th i think just do your best and hope for the best i it is just something we have to deal with hope he is not involved with these actually yeah i hope he is not involved with this yeah yeah okay so oop i lost my lapel lapel mic that will give some transcriber a headache yeah well we have both head set and lapel transcription wait so it is not too bad oops least i will not be transcribing the what do i care yeah let us have maarika transcribe that okay so there have there have been lots of missed filled pauses everybody seems to miss those some more than others so just really keep an ear out for those it is easy to cause you are so used to t t tuning them out and you know it is easy when i go back over i normally g like go back to the beginning do a quick pass of the main sections again and think ah yeah yeah yeah i i am not sure i miss them plenty myself but this this 2nd pass we should really try to catch all of them or at least most of th yeah sorry i am just seeing this with the t v there is t underscore v underscore i thought we are just supposed to use the underscore between letters no no no after that is what i thought the 1st day as well okay sorry then i have done it wrong so far okay yeah it should be after every acronym letter okay you know you standardized all the the filled pauses the and do we need to go through and change ones that people did differently like if i where i have written e r for change it all to u h that sort of thing yeah yeah so at this point the the only file that has been checked is melissa one that melissa did and that was checked by me so w we we are starting fresh with these and you know right changes like that that were just announced we will we will be able to catch for these 1st passes yeah okay so yeah y if you do see something like u h m for you you would change that to the regularized v version yeah just change it to okay and we just ch you know this is arbitrary but we had to choose something and not let it get too convoluted with with choice yeah yeah here is so if they pause just where you have got it highlighted at the moment huh that wor the hyphen there so i have to re do the meetings from the minutes from the last meeting was she was that a like w r real definite i am starting a new sentence here cause i would sometime if it sounds like he could carry on saying the whole sentence i sometimes do not have a hyphen there i but is it a t any hesitation but it is a back track yeah okay yeah yeah okay so it is not necessarily restarting the sentence but just a restart of any type we do the meeting the minutes yeah right yeah i think of it in terms of you know not even maybe to well a phrase if i th if you think of it in terms of a syntactic tree yeah it n does not have to go back all the way to the s node but it just m it might go back to the last node or something like that yeah just one to the next door yeah yeah yeah thank you for that description beata 0 goodness who would know what that was if somebody that did not know about linguistics were trying to transcribe s node well it is just my way of of knowing if it w sorry cause linguistics is all i have ever known yeah yeah yeah here is a so that answers your question about that answers your question about this one up here sorry yes yeah okay here is where i have i heard a another sound another false start or a stutter i would say let me see 0 yeah i am not seeing where this is you are 3 lines in okay okay okay okay so that kind of thing and there was a vowel in there but you noticed that she just used the and that is fine what is the okay the the letter d yeah what is the c is that a that is she would like see she there is a d judgment is that that 0 sorry i did not go f back far enough 0 i have not used that button yet where you have written at et cetera is that how we are supposed to be writing it yes okay where is that yes she is so she spelled it wrong yeah where up here 0 et cetera yeah so i d i mentioned that because of spelling and yes any g is it one word or is it 2 words i it is one word okay so i d i just said spelling because i thought it would be like et alii it is an admonishment sorry but in sh it is not it in latin like et cetera like et alii or et cetera like a t is no no no like et w you know when you have when you have a citation and you say et al it means and others et et al et alii is the full word and et cetera means and following so in the dictionary here it is one word yeah 0 in it is okay yeah yeah yeah yeah if you have any questions about spellings i i i think i m might have sent an email to this effect just check the oxford english dictionary online okay and that is that will be our guide so a as far as i know this is just missing an e cetera yeah but anyway you can we have considered experimenting with running this through a spell check you could take this as an emacs file and run a spell check on it but i think it would slow things down too much yeah yeah so just hopefully i in going through this very carefully you are going to notice these misspellings i think would give emacs a headache as well yeah yeah i think i if somebody could write i do not know how difficult it would be in practice to write a script that would ignore all the word fragments anything with a hyphen then a spell check might make make sense but to just use simple emacs it will basically mark all the word fragments for you and you know and i know from experience at some point you also get negligent you just click okay okay okay you know that is not a mistake and then you might miss a real error yeah yeah right so it does not make any sense yeah i th i think you are right so we will we will just hope that you catch it that is what we will do yeah the c okay so sorry so i think she just she did not catch the full form okay she was cutting off rather than saying she would like s to have see something yeah right right yeah yeah she i think she meant to use the infinitive but she just left off the to but see is a actual full word should not it there b should not there be a space between see and the hyphen is a whole word a space between she would like see you know not to be not to be pedantic yeah she would like see after the no the the c and the hyphen should not there be a space yes yes yes you are right yeah okay kay exactly thanks that is what i was asking yeah that was what you were m remarking about i should have just said it that way yeah okay there we go let me save that okay what else be careful about finding mis transcriptions so the would and w so she t she transcribed that as would okay and so huh no but sometimes it is really difficult sometimes you really do not know whether they are saying will or would well i think it is quite clear there that one was clear yeah he it it is his yeah i mean obviously there are going to be ca but if if it is not clear do i just pick do you just pick the more grammatic alternative or no you try to keep it as true to what is being said b yeah but if it but if it is really not absolutely not clear then use when they say instea you know some people when they swallow up the the last bit or do we just then transcribe i would have to hear it because it m sounds like it could be a fragment yeah yeah yeah it ju i would just have to hear it m i would you do not want to b be prescriptive and and type what you think they should have said yeah yeah but but i i i do know the type of scenario you are describing i just it is just hard to answer that without hearing something the should be capitalized yeah they should all i i stopped marking them cause there are just too many yeah okay but should it cause the loose is continuing from one sentence is not it let us see 0 yeah y you are right 0 okay right no that is right yeah okay there was a yes in there and okay was there yes okay yeah 0 yeah so another missed false start there was creakiness on the she but you do not need to mark that as a separate sound sometimes i have made buts after la like words after laughter i have made them capitalized cause i have not been sure if there is an if the laughter has been cutting everything off if it sounds like the laughter is just interrupting a an utterance that continues after the laughter i would not worry about capitalizing yeah okay so what about if a whole utterance is uttered while laughing do you put the laughter in front during or in what i usu when that happens what i do is i put laughter in front then the whole sentence and laughter in you know at the end as well if you hear just laughter on either side yeah do that so yeah no but it is it is laughter th throughout yeah yeah i do not know we will have to i will yeah there is some people laughing themselves silly at absolutely nothing while while they speak okay so laughter during speech i will f i will talk to melissa and jean because in the icsi dialogs they always say you know while laughing and we do not do that s so they say either so there it is really not ambiguous whether it is just laugh followed by an a normally spoken utterance or whether it is an utterance spoken while laughing i think there is a distinction there and we do not have that no we do not have any qual tags like they use yeah but i will f i will i will figure that one out and put it up on the wiki or email you kay good question i have come across that as well see 0 yeah i do not know what that that noise was indicating we can skip on there are other types of things i want to point out let us see morse code was that circuit okay i figure if she is a person that calls circuit circuit did you morse did she say circuit i did not really hear that how do you know it is that i am not sure if she did so would would you have been tempted to put an asterisk after that just if it is her i just caught the end of it and yeah no not for that one cir circuit but i had one person who said circuit yeah 0 okay but then i w but then i would not put an asterisk on it the i thought asterisk is something where it is c it is pronounced as a totally different word like evaluation and evolution no not necessarily no no it is just something that the speech recognizer is liable to trip up on i think okay 0 yeah cause i this is a very frequent mistake that no native speakers make to say circuit instead of circuit y that may be but i probably would flag it i depending on how how different the vowel sound was it is going to be your call in a lot of these cases oops yeah something like if ha i did that one cause it is well a language teacher would not low allow that to mo move on to the next stage that would not they would not let that pass sort of okay here or i would not if somebody that i would point it out to them here is a case of where i found it n found a case of discontinuity but you know because she is a non native english speaker i do not i do not know maybe that was grammatically n unmarked for her if you know what i mean yeah maybe that was not her re starting maybe sh that was yeah cause otherwise you could end up putting a hyphen after every hesitation mark that you have yeah so again i do not know that w that was my reflex at the time to put that there just if but just a prosodic marker rather than an actual hesitation yeah well as in a whole s like back channel unless you kinda get right 0 yeah sorry i th i just read the rest of the sentence is push buttons 2 words yeah yeah i used one word yeah i would type it as 2 okay okay i am going to skip ahead 0 let us see there was a c so i i hear she would quite clearly there and i think a good number of them you will be able to resolve just just helps to have the context and be able to listen to it again yeah yeah okay well it could be she would or should as well well yeah okay yes it could be a lot of things so there is there is another case where there was not a space between right a non word fragment and a re start okay what else there is an extra little symbol in here and that was just kinda carelessness so d even if it is something as brief as we are we are going to go ahead and capitalize that and maarika asked me what to do in the case of an utterance just consisting of laughter do we do we use punctuation in these cases and i do not know i have not been i have not either i do not think it is necessary no it is just too silly yeah no cause it is not linguistic well not yeah i am just thinking of you know an utterance consisting entirely of laughter and then putting like punctuation in like i know i yeah you could think of an argu or should we start it if we start the conversation in the common room like is laughter linguistic then they could come up with a theory someone is going to have fun transcribing that now delete and collapse sorry yeah but i am trying to underst i am trying to interpret my note here delete and collapse the surrounding segments okay i guess there there just really was not enough to transcribe there 0 d yeah yeah because it was it was really just silence and you are asking the person to just get rid of yeah so like i said click down here just to if you have not learned that trick already yeah and that will not play any surrounding segments so there is nothing there worth transcribing okay 0 i just noticed the the random yeahs like with having the hyphen before they are s if you scroll up a little way huh yeah that ha the 2nd one from the top thinking i am going to have to go back and find my places where i have had someone pausing and then saying yeah yeah and then this that i have not had i need to go back and find p put hyphens in this one 0 so you have not put a hyphen there i see i see yeah okay hyphens or commas commas commas did you say yeah 0 for g for that s type of situation no s alright no i have i have th i have sort it out yeah yeah okay actually a couple of times where they have repeated a word i have put a comma between them should that be no comma commas are fine 0 r okay i mean they are eventually they are going to be extracted globally so it does not matter how you use the comma right 0 right okay alright okay 0 okay yeah we can just wipe them out in one fell swoop okay so we do not have to worry about commas yeah okay cause i get i get quite prolific with my commas at times i i am too so i i like commas and then steve renals who is project manager had a look at m i think it was my transcriptions yeah okay what are all these commas doing in here but he did not he ultimately he said it was not a problem okay cool they will i th they will help in the case of discourse marking but his point was that they are really subjective i mean something that you the transcriber here yeah yeah yeah yeah just to make sense of a sentence yeah i really like using commas i i read somebody is p h d proposals yesterday and s and it is saying well you could have a comma in here and one there and 0 sh 0 she spelled cutest with an i so that that is just something i pointed out what does cutest spelling mean 0 okay 0 yeah okay okay what else cutest e s t thank you so here is let us see now this was our that one step behind so she typed our and i i did not quite hear that 0 okay but but i you can see how it could have been i do not know 0 0 yeah well if you were cockney then sorry yeah i do not know sometimes you get like an and it g you are not sure if it is an an a yeah or an m it yeah a or right and you can never know but if it fits well enough as a as an indefinite article then you might as well as an yeah do it as okay so which did you dec did 0 i was s i was suggesting that sh it be instead of our but evaluation yeah i it is tricky it gets ambiguous yeah the z z several vowels in there evaluala i do not know what is this well 0 she is i hear the well there yeah yeah yeah the but this being a head set mic channel m may make it easier to hear yeah she transcribed from the lapel mic i have had one person with a dodgy headphone with with dodgy something where most of the time it is it is as if they have got their hand over something 0 0 0 god that is harsh and you transcribed that speaker entirely yes the yeah it w it is for if that comes up again we have got headset mic files now in fact they replaced all the lapel mic files on the m m m server with head set mic files right 0 okay which we were not asking them to do but anyway they did it and so now we do not have the lapel mic files apparently the headset mic files are are just a bit louder and so you will f probably find yourself turning the volume down considerably right right but but apparently other than that they are just as good thank you for the warning right but let us know because we can retrieve the the other files yeah with some people it actually leads to some really screeching noises because they are so loud or probably the mic is so close i had this one in one of the 1st dialogs i did the g this guy called ed you could always see the waveform actually you know being just hitting the b the boundaries on on both ends and just being at some points just black segments yeah and when he was talking there was this whole like you know when you speak to close to a microphone and that was really horrible lot of people that say is this on and they hit it a few times 0 no okay i do not think i am going to go through any more of these because i i think i have gotten through most of the types that i meant to point out the rest how about names that somebody says the name of somebody and you think who right right and you do not know how to spell the name or if you heard the right name what are we going to do for that mister ed sorry 0 i had one guy one of the project managers was he had a really weird accent and he was calling one guy mister ed mister ed mister ed his name was ed and it took me a whole time to you find out that it was actually mister ed yeah or myst mystery ed or something or yeah 0 it no but that it was not one word that it was not like some proper name starting with m yeah mister ed i d i did see s i have been looking at some guidelines for another corpus and i did see something about proper names so i will i will have a look at that and see how we can handle that here yeah right well but do not you guys have have this data what know the people na people is names like when you yeah quite possibly but since it is coming from icsi it is coming from idiap in switzerland collect the data th are not people filling out a form or something yeah it w it should be easy enough to get but it is it is one other step you know emailing somebody to find out who knows this information okay yeah anyway it is no but it is information that we theoretically have yeah yeah because everyone signs a consent form when they participate in the experiment so we ought to be able to get that we did not sign one but but there shou we should also have a w a means of dealing with proper names when we do not know what it is or how it might be spelled at all and and flagging that in in some way so i will th i will i will try to address both things okay what was mister again i can not remember seeing how to transcribe mister mister just to 0 just just type mister fully m m r mister yeah m i s t e r i m i s t e r yeah no m and same with missus m i s s u s i believe mi u s mi missus the missus okay missus is it i believe i believe check check the dictionary sorry that yeah but you would never type the abbreviated spelling for anything missus missus yeah what if somebody calls themselves ms right well i am sure there is a spelling in the 0 e d yeah i mean it is not not that it ever happened but yeah m i z yeah so about foreign words what do we when we are checking if we come up something so we just leave it as huh 0 right so the transcriber is enclosing everything in carets and what you would do is is that yeah yeah not come across any yet i got one which i it was french so i knew how to ex spell it 0 yeah that is a good question because you will be leaving question marks there yeah okay i mean if it is in carets and they know it is foreign does that matter right it should not because things are going to be left like the asterisk will be left for the proc the subsequent processing yeah and the at symbol yeah but carets with question marks in between would have to be resolved in some way or could we just change it to an at between the carets yeah cause it is only intelligible theoretically yeah yeah yeah i i suppose that is all we can do really yeah you are not supposed to be polyglot transcribers here yeah 0 so even if we know what that word means we are not supposed to right 0 yeah yeah if you if if f it is a foreign word and you know what it is just enclose it in carets yeah yeah cause i have there is one dialog where i think 2 speakers are french like one is definitely french and i know she is saying and then somebody s saying something to her and she goes comment and then you know you know that so yeah yeah yeah yeah if you if you are confident that you have got a fair grasp on french for example why not okay 0 not really but on comment yeah and not accidentally translating in the process yeah okay there is there is just one other thing she she typed okay in caps 0 yeah i saw it there 0 c c 0 capital 0 capital k and huge no no i do not know why she missed that in the in the guidelines ok no yeah there it was are we doing okay just as 0 k not as a 0 k a y yeah okay no it is 0 k a y a y alright oops yeah yeah okay oops okay okay well it will be your jobs to catch all of these things someone is going to find some of those so no n no transcriber will be checking no checker will be checking their t own transcription yeah their own checking their own work checking their own transcription yes right yes so we will catch these things no transcriber will be checking their own transcriptions have to remember that one now more efficiently i think and on so i will just go up to the board do i have to keep this stuff on probably guess it depends how far you can stretch 0 yeah they have got clips 0 yeah cause every time somebody would be going over there you would hear all this sound of right i am mobile d yeah wrestling to the white board yeah i can hear the chairs moving and the alright and about 5 or 6 breaks in the between is the making it a yeah okay so i guess just for the sake of using the white board and killing a little more time i will just write down the things that are most common to be checked so let us see so 0 okay now 0 the white board marker has a camera as well looks like some piece of medical equipment wow okay s alright rather this is a list of things to do as the checker so you want to listen to the silent regions then check the speech regions and as part of that you want to check the boundaries and 0 by the way this should be transcribe any missed speech and just let us see what else okay and within this checking the speech segments you want to listen for or look for missed look for missed punctuation filled pauses words in stuttering and if you have if you have a stuttered word you do not need to use the hyphen to mark discontinuity it is just so if somebody says the the then it is just the the okay 0 yeah words in saint and what else try to get f false starts short words make sure with little words like the and little articles and that kind of thing do not get omitted short words and word fragments those are the commonly missed things and then look for cases of mis transcription seems so silly to be writing this all but anyway mis transcription so make sure if the speaker said will you type will not would or if they say we even though it might be more grammatically correct to type we are that kind of thing tha cases of ellipsis where maybe the transcriber typed them but really what was said was em so where you use the apostrophe m and look for capitalisation i am not going to going to do any more of this 0 capitalisation spelling use the 0 e d to check on things you do not know about refer to the wiki for all regularized spellings and f for things like filled pauses i just remembered one 0 was that okay when it is just as kay but it is at the beginning of a sentence should the k be capitalized no well apostrophe and then k a y w w and then yeah capitalize the k good yeah and that marker smells really bad i think smells really good you have been doing this too long i used to always love smelling markers it probably became addicted to the fumes grease paint what else did i find the so make sure the da the dash the hyphen whatever you call it is being used appropriately in cases of discontinuity but not in stuttering like i said and and do not use it when the utterance is clearly continued in the next segment or whatever okay do not transcribe in breaths or out breaths and okay should never be 2 capital letters it should be 0 k a y and one other thing is to break break up long segments if you find any so over a minute yeah but that is a kind of crude guideline i would i would say just anything that seems unmanageable okay so if something is a minute and 3 seconds i can still have it right ah yeah yeah really it it means nothing to say a minute it is just a g a really crude guideline i would just try to keep segments very manageable and a but u you know use these wave forms to help you yeah b and you can adjust the resolution so that 0 that did not help me too much but you can use this little slide bar to adjust the resolution actually that does not seem to be working if you just click on one of the arrows which 0 in in the resolution thingy it will the arrows by the resolution yeah on this one yeah no not not the other one this one not that one the other arrow next to it yeah yeah right okay okay 0 is that zoom in so yeah yeah yeah 0 and you can also if you go to signal and wow that is it is something under signal where you can adjust the amplitude as well on resolution 0 okay right then you can also wait 0 no i think that is not if you go to control panel huh signal control panel no no signal control pan the vertical zoom you can adjust that as well so if it seems too flat for you or you can not really ooh ah right that is good ah okay that might have made it s cause i i appear to have nothing yeah that is excellent alright but i was hearing stuff but i g there was nothing on my wave form yeah it is kinda hard to find where everything was yeah 0 that is that is good to know control panel okay yeah so to help you make cuts just look look f you know use this wave form and make sure you are not l losing any signal information but cutting segments down is a l a low priority but it it will help ultimately i think post processing wise right i do not i think i have gone a bit far in cutting mine down at the moment yeah you do not do not get excessive about it cause that just ends up taking too much time but i d i think from a speech recognition point of view it should not matter these segments being whatever length that they happen to be no probably not no i have seen other p people is transcription guidelines like f for the icsi project at berkeley and elsewhere say indicating that it really does not matter and it is the point is just to get em into manageable units okay and easy for checking at any rate rather than having to listen to a whole anything yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that is true actually that is the best reason for cutting them down but hopefully the that will be done during the 1st pass because that is the whole point making the checkers job a little easier and then yeah just m be sure after you have gone through the 4 channels to do a search on all the unknowns all the cases of ambiguity or whatever and what else was i going to say the way we will be allocating this is is the same as before th it is going to be on the th the same the same page just further down the work allocation page scroll down you will see w all the files i turned the page and i have already allocated some some things to be checked so if you run out of work go ahead and start checking because this is something that is considerably bottle necked at the moment okay right so is this the priority then yeah i would say for now w we do not even have much new stuff to be to be gone over for a 1st pass transcri yeah so it is important that we d do this 2nd pass and i have indicated in a column whether something is priority m i think i high typed high if it is high priority so d those would be the ones you would focus on 1st obviously and when it come you do not want to change the file name in any way just keep it the same there there is going to be a checking in procedure i do not know if anybody is mentioned this before but you will you will know about this with the c v s server yeah so th well i do not know about i know about this for the summarisation i have not done this with transcription yet turn the page it do yes right but it is be s y similar did you get the little buzz buzz yeah but they are they are creating a their a guy jonathan is creating a web form for you to do this all very simply and like just upload everything that you have up upload the file that you have transcribed and and you will be noting whether it is the 1st pass or the 2nd pass and y your name as the person who did that particular pass yeah checking in page 0 right and that will happen soon i will let you know so do we just open the file as we open the files for the 1st pass like open up the sound file and then it sh yeah yeah you will have to i would suggest creating a f folder called files to be checked or something like that in your home directory yeah and then within that create a s create sub folders for the the given meeting and you will have to get all the sound files unfortunately from the m m m server on your own okay yep because the the ami server is not very reliable for getting these sound files uncorrupted so you will have to get all the sound files from the m m m server and the person is transcription file should be in that folder where you are putting yours okay and then you will just yeah d you will copy that over you will not do not move it over because we want to have multiple versions of these things but yeah copy it into your directory and keep the same name then you will lose it yeah and then when you check it in it will automatically be registered even though the the 1st pass was checked in when we are doing this checking in business it will know which pass it is but i think you will also be indicating that as well okay it is vaguely connected question huh you you will know originally the like when we 1st like replied say yes if you are interested in doing this it said 6 weeks and the contracts say 8th of may which is longer in advance than which is a greater amount of time than 6 weeks yeah it is it actually 6 what is it is it 3 months i think sh yeah someone said 3 months i have got a 3 month contract yeah that is yeah yeah they are they are 3 month contracts and now if you can not keep that that is fine yeah but it is just a logistic thing with personnel where where we ha that was the minimum we were able to offer a contract for okay right okay that is 0 okay so if you have to bow out let us know as soon as you know when you you are going to have to stop cool right when it gets into the holidays and we are not necessarily around in the holidays and and yeah yeah obviously those kinds of things are things we will have to work around but yeah it is just one of those details right just checking okay once we actually get into the like easter holidays cause we are at having lectures at the moment can we be more flexible with our hours if we want to sort of i mean depending on who is using the computers i should think so i mean the whole point w of keeping well as long as you are able to yeah work out use of your computer with the other person that is fine yeah yeah okay the the whole point of having m regular hours was to make sure that somebody was here to answer your questions yeah sure or else you can like p yes but you have got keys so so you should be able to get in during odd hours if if you wanted to work yes yep if want and if you can plug microphones into apple appleton tower computers i can do it there as well if you wanted me yeah yeah yeah i do not see why not as long as you are you know doing your given set of hours for the week okay know what you are doing we could meet up and have a session yeah and yeah paym i i think you will all be paid phew that is a nice way to put it i think you will all be paid well have you not i am having sort some s i am having to sort some tax stuff out before i can even send my stuff in 0 cause i need to make sure i am sending them the right form okay okay yeah but they will not even know what examining board i got my a levels in really yeah for human resources i thought surely you do not need that information cause it took me it was about to take me half an hour well it did when i was like just going through the forms and filling in all the details i thought i am not going to spend w a couple of hours getting photo copies of degree certificates to give you for your files if i am just going to be here a good th they will not i think it th at one place it said give us copies of degrees no that is certainly not necessary yeah no 0 maybe i am getting mixed up with something else but it wanted a well it a level like examining board which seemed a bit ridiculous if you have any th problems like that see caroline hastings i mean if it is for this job and and getting paid that that is not necessary and caroline hastings ought to be able to help you sort that out right yeah yeah did not think so excuse me but j also if if pay is a matter like if it is a matter that you have not gotten paid for some reason yeah i hope that is not not the case yeah i have not gotten paid for the 1st 2 weeks cause i w i only have a 3 month contract starting february but i started mid january talk to caroline yeah 0 yeah cause i have i really do not know why that would be i am here full time now so i will i will be here m monday through friday and i l i leave at 4 now alright okay so you will not find me anytime after that okay alright but is your husband now a stay at home dad yeah my husband is at home with the baby wow 0 so it is your baby then on the photos yeah yeah one assumes this how old now he is 4 and half months 0 it is very lovely a nice jolly little baby he is sleeping through yeah that is the question i was just going to ask does he sleep yeah well only as of friday actually wow so he was i was just telling melissa this do you want us to stop yeah yeah yeah alright yeah yeah okay 0 good that worked out well 0 do we have to tick our note thing again when we finish this 0 yeah absolutely to say that we have
it is not more okay okay so the few of you and let us see myself and marika who is not here and occasionally melissa will all be doing checking of the transcriptions so this is the 2nd pass these transcriptions are receiving and that is pretty straightforward i think you all basically have an idea what is involved but the extra step that we are asking me to do in this case is to look at the silent regions and listen to them for each channel and make sure that no back channels were lost for example yeah back channels is what you typically would find although by and large these are going to be silent so you can start checking by well you know you can order it in any way you like but start with the 1st channel and go through it entirely i would recommend i have found that it is easier when you are checking and you are trying to make sure the boundaries are right for a speech segment i would recommend let us say this one go down here to the you are trying to make sure the boundaries are right for a speech segment i would recommend like say this one go down here to the transcription tier and select at it so that when you play you are certain that when it stops you have caught the whole speech signal for that utterance and have not lost any signal information otherwise it is liable to keep on running and you might not notice where it finishes so it takes a little time but alternatively you could just listen to the speech segments again and make sure everything is correct for those and so you could just hit and then like that and then go back and check the silence regions if you want to make your job a little more interest in different ways on a different day as long as it gets done so are we checking what is actually being transcribed already as well as the silences yeah so that is the role of the checkers to check what is said in the silent region in the speech regions and then make sure nothing was lost in the silent regions you are also responsible for resolving any uncertainties that were marked by the original transcriber and you know of course there are going to be many situations where you like the 1st transcriber can not make any sense of it and in that case it will be up to you to use the at symbol and that can be used to represent one unintelligible word or multiple intelligible words but just use one at symbol yeah exactly so that once you go through all the speech regions and all the non speech regions and that you could make another step of doing a search using going under the edit menu you can do a search for find your place yeah find your place for open parentheses and that will take you to and the 1st transcriber might have marked out so there is one and then you can just resolve those all one by one as a different set of changes together and likewise for the double question marks once you have gone through and resolved all the open parentheses you can do the same for double question marks and like i said if you can not make any sense of it then just use the ad symbol if you can just give it you know give it your best guess in these cases how much should you want i had a few times where i thought well it could be this but if you are not entirely sure that it could be because it could be a combination of something else like put the guess down or leave it as ambiguous in some way yeah it is i would if you are quite certain then i would go ahead and type what you think it was said if you think that there is a chance maybe a 30% chance you are wrong or more it is usually a context problem yeah sometimes if it is not intelligible you either tend to because you really wanted to fit the context you tend to take the closest actual word that would fit the context or if it is sometimes it sounds very clear as a word itself but then it would not make sense at all and then question you know 2nd guess whether it is really what you heard right so maybe a good idea would be to listen to each channel one by one listen to the silent and non silent regions and make all those corrections leave the unknowns the ambiguities the uncertainties until later so go through all the channels and do that then you should have the context from all 4 speakers and then go back and do those searches one by one for each channel how would that be yeah it does so be help yeah much being for the passage and worked up what they are talking about you will know all too well what we said in this meeting right the time took like the 3rd time because i thought 0 you are saying f 5 yeah yeah i think that would be really helpful that would help us you know nab a good number of uncertainties so if there is a chance that it is equally likely that they could have said something or they could have said something like i scream and i scream they just choose one and leave it choose one i mean think of it from a speech recognition point of view again and always this should be it should motivate you yeah what is most robust for speech recognition and leave out we just started our speech recognition assignment just now so you are well geared towards this topic i have done that too so i have gone through 0 no i do not want to interrupt 0 no no no no when i did my master is i took sb one and sb 2 with simon king you survived sp one and sb 2 actually i have done quite a lot in sp one i have done it a bit worse in sb 2 because it was a lot more challenging we have 2 new teachers for sb 2 okay too many and i will ask you later on like this lovely notes okay back to the topic okay okay so this is one i have gone through i have just done one channel and there were lots and lots and lots of things as you can see because i have got square brackets around all the things that need to be changed so this person did not obviously did not know about capitalization about capitalization so just about every utterance needs to be capitalized and punctuation you know when you get like someone is talking and there is they sort of pause in the middle of a sentence that is long enough for it to put a break in but they are actually sort of carrying on the sentence do you have to capitalize each time you transcribe a bit no no no whatever makes sense to you but no it can continue into the next segment and that is perfectly that is actually the only case where you do not or when you are not supposed to capitalize right right so if it is quite clear that the sentence is being carried on you know the sentence for the previous segment is being carried on then that is when you do not capitalize i do only use the hyphen i think when the sentence is definitely not continuing anywhere 0 right okay i have done a few of those wrong then when someone comes to check it i will review some of these things after i go through this a bit just to recap these are things that after checking everybody is work these are things that were commonly left out or mistranscribed whatever so i will go over those as an opportunity to use the whiteboard okay so this person left out a lot of end punctuation and here is a case where i think i think she was transcribing an out breath or possibly in breath and used the hash mark in any case i did not hear anything and you should not be transcribing in breaths or out breaths that is information we do not need okay i think you were in there like 0 you know this is the headset mike and i have a headset mike i heard something there but it was a creepy voice yeah it was creepy so it is really connected to the words really yeah and sometimes you do not know really whether it is a mic noise or that person is making it yeah well i did not think it was a let us see right yeah yeah yeah hello i think so i think the one in the way yeah yeah there is actually quite a bit more in there than before so i heard a creaky voice and it was audible of the level of the rest of the speech so i would keep that 0 okay i was adding that that is what i was doing that makes me okay there you go so there is things like that there is a missing false start here that did not get caught so i added that in so that is something that is quite common and the transcriptions i have looked at mist false starts mists and how exact do you have to be there because some people tend to stutter more than others and then they would have a false start 4 or 5 times in a row and how important is it to listen to it really until you have got the exact number of the things right try to get it right i mean i think syllables should be accounted for because sometimes they go you know like that and then you are not sure when it is right to drive you crazy because there is one speaker melissa just played for me today and his stutters horribly i mean it is unfortunate for him and for us it is really going to be a nightmare to transcribe so you will have to drive the line somewhere but if it is a 4 repeated the word is repeated 4 times then that is not too hard to count i have not come across something that has been i have not come across anything exceeding 4 i think have you well it is not that the word is if the whole word were being used 4 times that would not have been that difficult but sometimes it is just a false start which is really just maybe one or one5 phones and then repeat it and then you do not really know whether one is a long duration of one or whether it is actually 2 yeah yeah i think it was a word starting with d and the person was going da da do yeah make your best guess try to listen to it carefully enough but not so that you are obsessing over it for too long i would say and sometimes with the d is are you anticipating a d or you are trying to say the and you are just saying the the the well there again think about robustness and speech recognition and it really does not matter it is a word fragment who cares you are marking it as a fragment and that is what is important yeah speaking about robustness if somebody has an accent that you can only really understand what they are saying due to world knowledge that what they say it does not really actually sound at all you know what it is then do you transcribe more phonetically or do you put a star after every single one word well i would not be using a star so liberally yeah that is what i thought they are not supposed to do it but there is one i am describing right now you know a whole batch of dialogs where all 4 participants are non native there is especially one there that i think he is eastern european and i think that is the only not going to understand what he is saying at all because i am a european and but if you would just play it i think to recognize her then what he says you know the way he realizes words sounds nothing at all like it should be well right right and i mean and and for that matter a lot of native english speakers realizations are not going to be so true to i try to take consistency if they always stress the wrong part of the word then i think okay i will let that in yeah if it comes out and like one word is no it is less of a it is less of a stress it is really like his i do not know just the phonem sounding differently yeah well i would not bother to mark all of those instances well you can not really make it no i mean yeah they are there you are going to find that for any speakers you have them except for you like these things and and it is just like fiona was saying that the the word that stands out is something really abhorrent like i am thinking of i have used this example before there is a guy who says project instead of product and it is something like project and it is probably just his pronunciation of do i think i have just had project yeah well it is they were clearly talking about a product so i marked that as a mispronunciation or something to flag anyway and one guy who was saying evolution each time he meant evaluation yeah i remember that that one i would flag just like you did that is something definitely to mark out yeah but that is really something i would always prescribe it you know for lack of better knowledge or lack of context and then at the end of the dialog it dawned on me that he actually evaluation and then i went back and replaced it in the whole transcription that is good that is good at the moment we have a lecture that can i can never quite tell if you are saying problem or program program program i can not actually say when i am listening to it i can not tell all right yeah i do not know what to tell you about certain speakers basically i think just do your best and hope for the best i hope he is not involved with this okay so i will give some transcriber headache yeah well we have both head title lapel too good oops i will not be transcribing this i do not care yeah let us have more i can not subscribe okay so there have been lots of missed filled pauses everybody seems to miss those some more than others so just really keep an ear out for those it is easy to because you are so used to tuning them out even when i go back over i normally can go back to the beginning and do a quick pass to the main sections again and think 0 yeah yeah yeah i am sure i missed them planting myself but this 2nd pass we should really try to catch all of them or at least most of them there is t underscore v underscore i thought we are just supposed to use the underscore between ledgers no no that is what i thought the 1st thing as well sorry then i have done it wrong so far okay yeah it should be after every acronym you know you standardized all the philposts of the art and do we need to go through and change ones that people did differently like if i were in ear for a change or to u h yeah yeah so at this point the only file that has been checked is melissa one that melissa did and that was checked by me so we were starting fresh with these and you know changes like that were just announced we will be able to catch these 1st passes okay so yeah if you do see something like like uhm from you would change that to the regularized version and we just you know this is arbitrary but we had to choose something and not let it get too convoluted choice here is so if they pause just where you got it highlighted at the moment huh that were the hyphen there so i have to redo the meetings from the minutes from the last meeting was that real definite i am starting a new sentence here because i sometimes if it sounds like you can carry on saying the whole sentence i sometimes do not have a hyphen there is it any hesitation yeah yeah okay so it is not necessarily restoring a sentence but just restart of any type in terms of you know not even maybe to well if you think of it in terms of a syntactic tree it does not have to go back all the way to the s note but it is just it might go back to the last note just one to the next daughter yeah thank you thank you that was if somebody that did not know about linguistics are trying to transcribe s node it is just my way of knowing sorry because linguistics is all i have ever known here is a so that answers your question that answers your question about this one up here okay here is where i heard another the sound another false start or stutter i would say i am not saying where is it you know 3 lines in okay okay okay okay so that kind of thing and there was a vowel in there but you noticed that she just used the da and that is fine what is the c is that a she would like c she does it is that that were you written out et cetera is that yes okay yes she is so she spelled it wrong up here 0 it is heard of yeah so i mentioned that because of spelling and yes any is it one word or is it 2 words it is one word okay so i i just said spelling but it would be like at ali sorry but is not it in latin like et cetera like at ali or like 80s no no like you know when you have when you have a citation and you say at all means and others at all is the full word and et cetera means and following so in the dictionary here it is one word 0 it is yeah yeah if you have any questions about spellings i think i might have sent an email to this effect just check the oxford english dictionary on my okay that will be our guide so as far as i know this is just missing in the e et cetera but anyway you can we have considered experimenting with running this through a spell check you can take this as an emacs file and run a spell check on it but i think it would slow things down too much so just hopefully in going through this very carefully you are going to notice these misspellings if somebody could write i do not know how difficult it would be in practice to write a script that would ignore all the word fragments anything with a hyphen then a spell check might make spell and it might make sense but to just use simple emacs it will basically mark all the word fragments for you and i know from experience at some point you also get negligence you just click okay okay okay you know that is not a mistake and then you might miss a real error yeah i think you are right so we will just hope that you catch it and that is what we will do yeah let us see okay so sorry so i think she just she did not catch the whole form she was cutting off rather than saying she would like to see something yeah i think she meant to use the infinitive but she just left off the 2 but the whole word it should never be a space between the scene a space between yeah to be she would like see she would like see no the sea and hyphen should be yes yes yes you are right yeah okay exactly thanks that was asking that was what you were okay there we go let me say that okay what else be careful about finding mis transcriptions so she transcribed that is wood so she transcribed that as wood okay but sometimes it is really difficult sometimes we really do not know whether they are saying were a word well i think it is quite clear i mean obviously there are going to be but if it is not clear do you just pick the more grammatical alternative alternative or no you try to keep it as true to what it has been said but if it is really not absolutely not clear then you when they say what instead you know some people when they just swallow up the last bit or do you just lend to it because it sounds like it could be a fragment i just have to hear it i you do not want to be prescriptive and and type what you think they should have it but i do know the type of scenario you are describing i just it is just hard to answer that without hearing something yeah they should all i stopped marking just too many but should it go if they lose is not even from one 0 yeah you are right right that is right yeah okay okay there were a yes in there and what was that okay 0 yeah so another mystical start there was creakiness on the she but you do not need to mark that as a separate sound sometimes i have made butts after like words after laughter i have made them capitalized because i have not been sure of this and if the laughter has been cutting everything off and it sounds like the laughter is just interrupting an utterance that continues after the laughter i would not worry about capitalizing so what about if a whole utterance is uttered while laughing do you put the laughter in front what i do is i put laughter in front and the whole sentence on laughter at the end as well if you hear just laughter on either side yeah do that no it is laughter throughout yeah you know i do not know we will have to some people laughing themselves silly at absolutely nothing always speak okay so laughter during speech i will talk to you and listen because in the ixie dialogs they always say you know while laughing and we do not do that so they say either so there it is really not ambiguous whether it is just laugh followed by an normally spoken utterance or whether it is an utterance spoken while laughing there is a distinction there and we do not have that no we do not have any qual tags that they use but i will figure that one out and put it up on the wiki or email you good question i have come across that as well let us see yeah i do not know what that noise was indicating we can skip on other types of things that point out let us see so circuit for the circuit for the person and circuit for very much to do it that is so cute i forget if she is a person that called circuit circuit did she say circuit i did not even hear that i am not sure if she did so would you have been tempted to put an out been tempted to put an asterisk if it is her i just caught the end of it and no not for that one i had one person who said circuit 0 okay but then i would not put an asteris on it i thought asteris is something where it is it is pronounced as a totally different work like evaluation and no not necessarily no it is just something that the speech recognizers label to trip up on i think because this is a very frequent mistake that no language speakers made to say so cute that may be but i probably would flag it depending on how different about sound was it is going to be your call in a lot of these cases something like if i took that one because it is well a language teacher would not allow that to move on to the next stage they would not let that pass sort of okay or i would not if somebody i would point it out to them here is a case of where i found it found a case of discontinuity but you know because she is an un native english speaker i do not i do not know maybe that was grammatically unmarked for her you know what i mean maybe that was not her restarting otherwise you could end up putting a hyphen after every hesitation mark that you have so again i do not know that was my reflex at the time to put that there but just a prosodic marker rather than an actual poll presentation yeah as in that whole black channel okay 0 yeah sorry i just write the rest of the sentence is push buttons 2 words yeah yeah yeah i would type it as 2 okay okay i am going to skip ahead 0 let us see so i hear she would so i hear she would quite clearly there and i think a good number of them you will be able to you will be able to resolve okay just helps to have the context and be able to well could be she would or should as well well okay yes it could be a lot of things my opinion is the 1st  so there is another case where there was not a space between a non word fragment and then a research let me start okay what else there is an extra little symbol in here it is just kind of carelessness so even if it is something as brief as we are going to go ahead and capitalize that america asked me what to do in the case of an utterance just consisting of laughter do we use puncture we use punctuation in these cases i have not been i do not think it is too silly it is not linguistic i know yeah i know yeah you could think of anarchy i am just thinking of you know a lateral is consisting entirely of laughter and then putting like punctuation like aha ha ha ha ha ha ha someone is going to have fun transcribing my man if we start the conversation in the common room like it is laughing linguistic then they could come up to play a way i am trying to interpret my note here do we and clap those ones sing and so much okay i guess there just really was not enough to transcribe them yeah because it was really just silence and you are asking the person to get there yeah so like i said click down here just to if you have not learned that trick already and that will not play in surround random segments so there is nothing there with like kind of describing there is no the random years like of having a hiking before because they scroll up a little way huh yeah the 2nd one from the top i am going to have to go back and find where places where i have had someone pausing and then say yeah yeah and then this i have not had i need to go back and find so you have not put hyphen i see i see okay hyphons or commas commas comas yeah for that type of situation no i have sort of actually where i have a couple times where they have repeated a word i have put a comma between them should that be no comma commas are fine and eventually they are going to be extracted globally so it does not matter 0 okay yeah we can just wipe the mouth i get quite proliferate with my commas at times i am too and then steve reynolds who is project manager had a look at i think it was my transcript 0 these commas doing in him but he did not ultimately he said it was not problem okay cool they will help in the case of discourse marking but his point was that they are really subjective and something that you the transcriber here just to make sense of sentence yeah yeah i really like using commas i read somebody is phd proposals yesterday and you know well you could have a comma in here and what is there what is cutest spelling 0 she spelled cutest with an eye so that is just something i pointed out okay what else cute is yes too thank you so here is let us see now this was that one step behind so she typed hour and i did not quite hear that but but you can see how it could have been i do not know sometimes you get like you are not sure if it is an a yeah or not right and you can never know but if it fits well enough as an indefinite article then yeah do it as well so which did you just 0 i i was suggesting that it be instead of our but emolary i should this is several vows of it yeah it is tricky i think it is ambiguous i do not know what is this well 0 she is i hear the well there but this being the headset mic channel may make it easier to hear she transcribed from the lapel mic i have had one person with the dodgy headphone word 0 doge something where most of the time it is as if they have got the handover or something 0 god and you transcribe that speaker in time yes if that comes up again we have got headset mic files now in fact they have replaced all the lapel mic files on the server with headset micplats which we were not asking them to do but anyway they did it so now we do not have the lapel mic files apparently the headset mic files are just a bit louder so you will probably find yourself turning the volume down considerably but apparently other than that they are just as good but let us know because we can retrieve the other files it actually leads to some really screeching noises because they are so loud or probably the mic is so close in one of the 1st dialogs i did the guy called ed you could always see the waveform actually you know being just hitting the boundaries on both ends and just being at some point just black segments and when he was talking there was this whole like you know when you speak too close to the microphone people that say is this on and i hit it a few times okay i do not think i am going to go through any more of these because i think i have gotten through most of the types that i meant to point out how about names that somebody says the name of somebody and you think who and you just spell their name right if you heard the right name right what are we going to do for that i had one guy one of the project managers he had a really weird accent and he was calling one guy mister ed mister ed and took me to find out that it was actually mister ed mystery ed was no but that it was not one word that it was not like some proper name starting with m mister i did see i have been looking at some guidelines for another corpus and i did see something about proper name so i will have a look at that and see how we can have all that but do not you guys have this data know the people is names like when you collect the data yeah quite possibly but since it is coming from icsi it is coming from idiop in switzerland yeah it should be easy enough to get but it is one other step you know emailing somebody to find out who knows this information anyway it is no but it is information that we theoretically have yeah yeah because everyone signs a consent form when they participate in the experiment so we ought to be able to get that we did not sign one but we should also have a means of dealing with proper names when we do not know what it is or how it might be spelled at all and flagging that in some way so i will try to address us both things what was mister again i can not remember seeing how to transcribe mister 0 just type mister f r m r s t e r yeah and same with missus m i s s u s s okay sorry i believe check the dictionary yes you would never type the abbreviated spelling or anything what if somebody calls themselves ms i mean i am sure there is a spelling in the 0 a d yeah oed yeah so what about foreign words what do we do when we are checking if we come up something 0 right so the transcriber is enclosing everything in carrots yeah and what you would do is it was french so i knew how to explain that is a good question because you will be leaving question marks there i mean if it is in carrots and they know it is foreign does that matter it should not because things are going to be left like the asteris will be left for the subsequent processing but carrots with question marks in between would have to be resolved in some way or could we just change it to a nap between the carrots yeah because it is unintelligible theoretically i i suppose that is all we can do really you are not supposed to be polygots transcribers here 0 so even if we know what the word means when i am supposed to 0 yeah yeah if it is a foreign word and you know what it is just enclose it in carrots yeah because i have there is one dialog where i think 2 speakers are french like one is definitely french and i know she is saying and then somebody is saying something to her and she goes come on then you know you know that yeah yeah if you are confident you get a fair grasp on french for example accidentally translating the process yeah okay there was there is just one other thing she she typed okay in caps 0 yeah i saw it there 00 capital 0 capital k and a huge no no i do not know why she missed that in the guidelines are we doing okay just as okay okay okay it is okay a y it is okay a y a y a y a y yeah okay okay well it will be your job catch all of these things so no transcriber will be checking no checker will be checking their own transcription yes so we will catch these things to remember that one now more efficiently i think and so i will just go up to the board do i have to keep this stuff on i guess it depends how you can stretch 0 yeah because every time somebody would be going over there you would hear all the sound and the whiteboard you can hear the chair it is moving and about 5 or 6 breaks in the between they are making the way there okay so i guess just for the sake of using the whiteboard and killing a little more time i will just write down the things that are most common to be checked so let us see so 0 my okay 0 the whiteboard marker is a camera as well it is like some wow okay so all right rather this is a list of things to do as the checker so you want to listen to the silent regions then check the speech regions and as part of that you want to check the boundaries and 0 by the way this should be transcribe any missed speech and let us see what else and within this checking in this checking the speech segments you want to listen for or look for mist look for mist punctuation filled pauses words in stuttering and and and and and and and if you have a stuttered word you do not need to use the hyphen to mark discontinuity it is just so if somebody says the the then it is just the words in and what else false starts short words make sure little words like the and the articles and that kind of thing do not get omitted short words and word fragments those are the commonly missed things and then look for cases of missed transcription it seems so silly to be writing this but anyway mis transcription so make sure if the speaker said will you type will not would or if they say we even though it might be more grammatically correct to type we are that kind of thing that cases of ellipsis where maybe the transcriber typed them but really what was said was so where you are use the apostrophe and look for capitalization i am not going to do any more of this capitalization spelling use the oed to check on things you do not know about refer to the wiki for all regularized spellings and for things like field pauses i just remembered one 0 what is that okay when it is just a k but it is at the beginning of a sentence should the k be capital or apostrophe and then k a y and then yeah capitalized the k good and that much smells really bad i think it smells very good even in it is too long i used to always love small workers 0 became addicted to the things grease paint what else did i find so the make sure the dash the hyphen whatever you call it is being used appropriately cases of discontinuity but not in stuttering like i said and do not use it when the utterance is clearly continued in the next segment or whatever do not transcribe in breaths or out breaths and ok should never be 2 capital letters it should be ok a y and one other thing is to be break up long segments if you find any over a minute yeah but that is a kind of crude guideline i would say just anything that seems unmanageable so if something is a minute and 3 seconds i can still have it right yeah really it means nothing to say a minute it is just a really crude guideline i would just try to keep segments very manageable but use these waveforms to help help you and you can adjust the resolution so that you know that did not help me too much but you can use this little slide bar to adjust the resolution actually it seems to be working which the errors by the resolution it will yeah not that one the other hour next year yeah yeah right okay okay so yeah 0 and you can also if you go to signal and it is something under signal where you can interest the amplitude as well on resolution okay right okay right no i think that is not if you go to control panel signal control panel no signal control no signal control the vertical zoom you can interest that as well so it seems too flat for me all right that is good okay all right i appear to have nothing i was hearing stuff but there was nothing on my waveform i had to find where everything was 0 that is good to know okay yeah so to help you make cuts just use this waveform and make sure you are not losing any signal information but cutting segments down is a lot priority but it will help ultimately i think post processing wise i do not have gone a bit far in cutting my down at the moment yeah do not do not get excessive about it because that just ends up taking too much time but i i think from a speech recognition point of view it should not matter the segments being whatever length that they happen to be i have seen other people is transcription guidelines like for the ixie project at berkeley and elsewhere indicating that it really does not matter the point is just to get them into manageable units easy to checking it in it right rather than to listen to a hole yeah yeah yeah yeah that is true actually that is the best reason for cutting them down but hopefully that will be done during the 1st pass because that is the whole point making the checker is job a little easier and then yeah just be sure after you have gone through the 4 channels to do a search on all the unknowns all the cases of ambiguity or whatever and what else was i going to say the way we will be allocating this is the same as before it is going to be on the same page just further down scroll down you will see all the files and i have already allocated some things to be checked so if you run out of work go ahead and start checking because this is something that is considerably bottlenecked at the moment so is this the priority then yeah i would say for now we do not even have much new stuff to be gone over for a 1st pass so it is important that we do the 2nd pass and i have indicated in a car where there is something that is priority i think a high priority it is high priority so those would be the ones you could focus on 1st obviously and then it comes you do not want to change the file name in any way just keep it the same there is going to be a checking in procedure i do not know if anybody is mentioned this before but you will know about this with the cvs server yeah well i do not know about i know about i know about i know about this for the summarization i have not done this right but it will be similar but they are creating a there a guy jonathan is creating a web form for you to do this all very simply just upload everything that you have upload the file that you have transcribed and you will be noting whether it is the 1st pass or the 2nd pass and your name is the person who did that particular pass and that will happen soon i will let you know so do we just open the file as we open the files for the 1st part yeah open the sound file yeah you will have to i would suggest creating a folder called files to be checked or something like that in your home do you yeah and then within that create subfolders for the given meeting and you will have to get all the sound files unfortunately from the server on your own because the ami server is not very reliable for getting these sound files uncorrupted so you will have to get all the sound files from the server and the person is transcription file should be in that folder where you are putting yours 0 okay and then you will just yeah you will copy that over you will not do not move it over it because we want to have multiple versions of these things but yeah copy it into your directory and keep the same name and then when you check it in it will automatically be registered even though the 1st pass was checked in when we are doing this checking in business it will know which pass it is but i think you will also be indicating that as well it is vaguely connected questions you will know originally the like when the 1st like the fly to say yes we are interested in if it said 6 weeks and the contracts say 8th of may which is longer in advance than which is a greater amount of time than 6 weeks yeah it is actually 6 what is it is it 3 months i think i have got a 3 month contract yeah the 3 month contracts and now if you can not keep that that is fine but it is just a logistic thing with personnel where we had that was the minimum we were able to offer a contract so if you have to let us know as soon as you know when you you can get into the holidays and not necessarily learning the holidays obviously those kinds of things will have to work around but yeah it is just one of those just checking once we actually get into the east of holidays because we are having lectures at the moment can we be more flexible without hours if we want or so i should think so i mean the whole point of keeping well as long as you are able to work out use of your computer with the other person that is fine yeah the whole point of having regular hours was to make sure that somebody was here to answer your questions yeah sure but you have got keys yes so you should be able to get in doing odd hours if you wanted to work and if you can plug mic pose into apple and tau computers and you are thinking there as well yeah yeah yeah i do not see why not as long as you are doing you you could give them a set of hours to be yeah and yeah i think you will be paid i think you will be paid well i am having to sort of tax stuff out before i can send my stuff in because i need to make sure i am sending them the right form but they wanted to know what examining board i got my a levels in really yeah for human resources i thought surely you do not need that information because it took me it was about to take me half an hour well it did when i was like just going through the forms and filling in all the details i thought i am not going to spend a couple of hours getting photocopies of degree certificates to give you for your files no that is certainly not i think at one place it said gives us copies of degrees 0 maybe they are getting mixed up with something else but it wanted a well a level like examining board which seemed a bit ridiculous if you have any problems like that see caroline i mean if it is for this job then getting paid that is not necessary and carolyn has been able to help you sort that out but also if pay is a matter like it is a matter that you have not gotten paid for some me i hope that is not yeah i have not gotten paid for 2 weeks because i only have a 3 month contract starting february but i started in january talk to canada because i really do not know why that would be i am here full time so i will be here monday to friday and i leave at 4 now so you will not find me any time after that but your husband now stayed home dad yeah my husband is a whole baby 0 so it is your baby then yeah one assumes this how old is he is 45 months 0 it is very lovely yeah that is the question i was just going to ask as we sleep yeah well only as a friday actually i was telling melissa this do you want us to stop yeah yeah yeah okay 0 good that worked out well 0 do we have to take on that thing again when we finish this 0 yeah to say that we have