okay okay everyone is ready hello so we are here for for functional design okay so we are here for the functional design meeting so 1st i will show the agenda so we will i will take notes during this meeting so i will try to summarize it and put that summary in the shared folder if you want to look at it afterwards so then each of you will lead a presentation on the task that has been required last time so user requirement specification technical function design and working design then i will present you some new project requirements i received from the management board then we will take the decision on on the remote control needed functions and then i will assign you the task for the next part of the meeting of the of the process so who want to start the the presentation of what they did f do you want to start make a start yeah you can start so cable camera you have powerpoint should be in my in their folder no ah yeah maybe there up okay who are you at 3 i think no ouch and okay we have a technical problem do we think w s in the in the wrong folder maybe it is possible you put it on no it was somewhere in something like this i do not remember the name actually must be something like messenger ami or something what do you have in short cut go up participant 2 yeah go up yeah again no go back you have no maybe messenger ami messenger over okay no there is nothing there is no we have a technical problem let us go and check yeah i will go and check otherwise could you just describe by hand okay with the the whiteboard yeah if you remember yeah but that is yeah so basically what we want here is a remote control right yeah so the question well 1st of all what to control so most people want to have a a remote for their hi fi and t v and stuff like that and but other people want th also remotes for controlling and toys like robotic pets and little robots and stuff and other people also want to have remotes for controlling whole house yeah yeah so there is a project i think called x house or something like that that does that you can integrate your remote with computers stuff so there is one that is one thing the other is the the finder feature yeah by whistling or whatever if you have the finder feature then you can also have okay at the same time as and general voice commands if you want yeah so i think it should be a package in that case so the user interface will consist of 2 parts one is the voice command part and on one is the actual buttons part and th the buttons part would be a set of buttons for choosing devices a set of buttons for special navigation in space a set of buttons for linear access of medium and a set of buttons for random access okay yeah what do you mean by linear access then like a video tape goes forward backwards fast and stuff yeah ah okay so special navigation linear access random access and there is a 4th one no so the better now for special navigation yeah for special navigation for example you might have a t v in the menu and you going to change yeah okay then linear access then random access yeah and also parameter changing ah yeah parameter okay so if there are common parameters maybe we should put special buttons for that or maybe we could have everything generic but there are a lot of remotes on the market right now and basically this is most of the almost everybody has this stuff okay okay okay and and voice command did you voice command w we could specify anything we could assign any button a command to any button if we have enough processing power i guess so okay okay yeah okay yeah so that is that close your investigations yeah yeah i think so okay not so far okay maybe we can have a look at the user requirements with yeah i dunno if you can open the m is not here i dunno if i can open it maybe you can s it is in yeah okay messenger no no in document computer yeah in which folder where did you put it here here short cut to ami shared folder but it is not maybe you can send it to me by email just to participant one at ami yeah i can do that i will try to show it to everyone that would be more comfortable okay you send it it is participant one yeah this is this email i am designing the user interface okay you can okay so maybe i can switch slides when you whenever you ask that will be more convenient yeah so okay functional requirements okay so you can you can go okay so in our usability lab we observed the remote control use among 100 subjects and the subjects also filled a questionnaire okay yeah and here i have the results so you can see that 75% of users find most remote controls ugly so we have to find something to make them more more nice more kind 80 per cents of users would spend more money when the remote control would look fancy 8000% of users would spend more money when the remote control would look 0 to it is not good so okay so it is not in theory but i i can i can say yeah we can just keep doing that yeah 50 f 75% of users say they s zap a lot so we have to have a remote control very out for that the buttons have are to be like you say resist resisting to to shocks okay and 50 per cents of users say they only use 10 per cents of but of the buttons in the in the remote control okay so all the buttons we we have to put are have to to have a use a real use and not only or okay okay so fewer buttons maybe would be good yeah f not many buttons and and u useable buttons okay but what kind of remote controls did you look at sorry what kind of task was it it was a t v yeah most for most is t v yeah yeah but in fact we it it seems that we are going to make a t v remote control according to new requirements i received from the management bo i will present them in the following huh huh ah good kay you can go so okay so there are other frustrations expressed by users so they said they lost often the remote control in in the room so they want to have a way to to yeah to find it to find it yeah and lot of the time they it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control yeah so they want something s really very simple and easy to use okay and remote controls are bad for what is her other side r s i i dunno other side yeah yo wa your wrist it i can become painful you can have tendonditis 0 yeah yeah i did not knew that if you also up on a computer in a strange position okay so you we have to make it more ergonomic yeah ergonomic but have to say ha ha yeah it is your job 0 sorry got a message from microsoft okay before that i i have some some some thing to say before yeah yeah yeah we know that the user use a lot their remote control to to change channel yeah and to to change volume selection of the and and not a lot for setting for setting the the channels and thing things like that okay yeah okay so it is better to put something very easy to set and and yeah this function should be very accessible very accessible yes yeah okay that is right this is the main function okay so then we asked some questions to them and we asked this question if they prefer an l c d screen or on their remultific function remotes control and if they pay more for speech recognition in remote control and you can go we have here the results of yeah yeah yeah the 1st question of the questions so you know that for the younger it is very important to have l c d and voice to have the s yes and speech recognition and and the others is not so important but we know that people between 15 and 25 are people who watch a lot t v and who who wh can use a lot this okay so maybe we we can have a speech recognition in yeah maybe this this is important yeah moreover th maybe those like those teenager customer could advice their parents to buy this equipment and so we can we have to take care of that point of view i think or so yeah okay and if there is th the conclusion now so as we say before i think a remote control lightening in the dark it is it is a good thing okay not to many mud buttons like we we said before e easy to use a way to find it easily in the room and resistant to to shock and to to yeah okay an i s no yeah okay these are the user requi i dunno if you see something else important or i am just thinking of some thing yeah we want to have a no i do not know if this is a good idea we want to have a a general remote control for everything no no no we w it seems that we no want to have a t v remote control okay from the management board i receive an email yeah cos it would be costly and and also it it would take more time to develop to have a a general generic remote control yeah yeah yeah yeah i it is not true i think the the 2nd claim that you put no no that it would be too long to develop yeah i think that should be the same 0 yeah because i received that email from management board and they seems to tell that that if we want to be on the market as early as possible we should focus on t v more where it seems that the market is more important so maybe it is a good decision i dunno what is your opinion i have i have no idea i mean i should know a bit more about how fast we can design it i do not think yeah finish tonight yeah okay but basically yeah maybe i can continue with my presentation it would be al you you but i think we have some technical problem or so yeah okay yeah yeah so i am just going to describe briefly what we do in the remote control maybe you can go to the whiteboard if you have some drawings to do i do not know if fact yeah but do i have 0 yeah now i have enough cables like a you feel a bit like a dog with this stuff okay so i am just going to describe in fact for for a remote control this is quite easy we just have sorry i am going okay are you okay like that i am just going to describe basically we have a a battery a power supply here after that we just have user interface let us say that something like that which could be a l c d let us say or an array of push button something like that push button or a l c d after that we we feed that into an electronic chip so i say u c and i feed that to l e d which is infrared which is a an infrared component and so what we for for myself this for for us this is quite easy u c is the central unit yeah okay yeah y it is a it is this just a chip which does all the numerical computation numerical computation according to your display okay and so for us this is quite easy we just need to take to define what we want to do when the user interface wants something and after that we just do the coding to s and send that to to to the not the to the television okay so for us this is quite easy okay so this is quite easy yeah we just have to define the processing power that we need especially if we want to do some speech recognition there is not that much constraints in that case that mean that we are going to use more for simple this will think this will take more time to develop also yeah of course of course yeah and but for a standard one this is really easy it is a question of one month and so on s soon to have a you s you speak about with voi voice control no no no no i say yeah standard standard remote control takes maybe one month to to do that standard button one yeah so the only time problem is the sp voice recognition yeah yeah definitely yeah so do you have any idea of how long it would take to have voice recognition now 10 years i would say i would say about 8 months to have the 1st results okay so i it is a bit long yeah yeah i can one month for the standard one with button yeah even if we have a l c d display yeah even i mean that this is really standard devices now 8 for speech recognition okay yeah okay so we can take this into account so who think it would be good to go for like speech recognition but we do not have time to market yeah it will and also how much i think i think we should contact management during the kickoff meeting you say that we we should not we should not go up to €125 per unit so how many units should we sell to have a euros yeah yeah well well each unit is is sell €25 yeah but how many yeah how muc how much do you get how much do you if you buy 1000000 units h no 100000 units eh chips we are going to need chips right yeah yeah how much will it cost for 100000 usually this is less tha at $2 per chip okay because we are so you have any idea for a powerful one that has good enough for do speech recognition yeah we can yeah okay so no it does not it seems that that we want to sell like 4000000 units from the 1st meeting okay 4000000 okay maybe we can we can look at the new requirement i receive from the management board and discus discuss all function we want to have i just had a question do you want to continue with your presenta yeah i i will continue is it well ask your question if you want you say that i do not remember by heart but 30% of the tested people say that is it is quite difficult to to to use the remote control yeah do they say that this is difficult but for the same reason or do they have other reason 0 to to maybe to keep in mind maybe to access to that menu you should do something like that would j yeah w i i think they they say that it is difficult to learn how to use it but i when you know how to use it it is it is okay okay and but it is not intuitive 1st yeah but yeah maybe and what about if we design a remote control which can be configure as you want you say that i want i have 6 button mh a a lot of people are if you have the l c d screen if you can do it completely the way you want because the buttons also look the way you want them but it will be hard to configure i mean imagine i so it is really something for the expert user yeah yeah yeah but but also it seems that yeah yeah okay so i mean there are markets and markets i think the young people are th are christine here said you have a it is yeah yeah yeah so for our young people it will be cool they can be able to use it th maybe their parents will not but they will configure it i guess i do not know if there is study about that yeah maybe it would be more complex to configure it to be simple than creating a simple product yeah yeah yeah and there are another thing is that if we make something that is simple and easy to use that is bas to use immediately that means that it will be exactly the same as everything else yeah yeah all right yeah otherwise if it is different then of course everybody has somebody has to learn to use it 1st yeah yeah but also we we see that that most people find it find remote controls too complex because they have too many buttons and they mainly use only channels and volume buttons so we may just make a very easy to use remote control with mainly those buttons and maybe also yeah some lightning stuff too because most people find also hard to to find the remote control losed lose it etcetera these these are these 2 points are the main frustrations so maybe if we design something very simple and easy to find when lost it will add a serious competitive advantage without making something too complex and too long to develop so but le let us see 1st the new requirement so we do not have to so this this is is in the this is in the same direction as we were speaking so we do not have to make a very complex remote controls to access teletext and stuff like that but teletext is just one button yeah but then you have to you have to define the buttons to surf amongst pages and stuff you you just write the write the numbers yeah so well so will you add with the channel keys right yeah so so anyway we do not have to include this feature because it is it is not used any more by users they prefer to s i am i am sure that it do not like but i do not see just one button yeah so i dunno if i one button is still one more button if if if we want to make it very simple we have to reduce number of buttons compared to th to our competitors well anyway i have this point we can discuss also so as as i told before it would be better if it is only for the t v because we want to be quick on on the market and then also we have to make very clear that this this remote control is is part of of our products and show our corporate logo and and colors on the on the design as well so that they identify it as one of our product so this is the the key point so before finishing we can define what would be the characteristic of the 0 th of the control of the remote control and which button do we need which function do we want etcetera capital so do you so so from from the the marketing expert i think a key aspect is the easy to use aspect it should be very simple and most button are never used only 10% of the button are are used often so i think we have to do something very simple and i think we all agree on that point no well if it is going to be just a t v remote control it is going to be very simple yeah okay so yeah the key point here is simple maybe so few buttons channel volume control and what el what function do you see well if it is going to be as simple as possible then just have the remote control there is no other function that i can see in addition to that really yeah maybe switch t v on and off no you want to keep television on so that the advertising can revenue can come back to us yeah or something yeah volume maybe a mute button and then on off button and that is all i know that som you say that many people are doing plenty of a lot of zapping i know tha i discovered that when i did a quick look they do now som they do something which is quite nice now you have a button you you press it and this is the previous channel which has come back it is a memory yeah okay yeah this is cool maybe we can include that also previous previous channel button so we have like channel button the previous channel button the volume button plus a mute button and just the the traditional on off button and and of course the channel changing buttons yeah i i talk about that yeah how should they how should we implement that because could be numerical only or could be also incremental yeah incremental definitely because zapping you you switch them let us say that we can do something like that this is incremental but once you press it for a long time you go 5 by 5 we go faster to go fa to go faster it is an interesting idea that if you press it for a long time it does something else in general so if you you have your 10 buttons for the for the numeric the numerical buttons and you have instead of having just one memory yeah you have if you press them for a long time no does not work does it maybe we should have also a digit button maybe we should have a complete keyboard and just type console commands yeah change channel to 8 maybe we have also to have digits or only incremental no i dunno bec because if you have the well if it is useful like if if you want to change between 3 channels for example then you h you cannot you cannot cannot work with just memory being incremental yeah because you have your previous channel button if you have incremental only it is not it is not worth it because the previous channel is eith either -one or +one yeah yeah yeah so i think we need also digits okay maybe we we can make very obvious the channel and volume button button and smaller button down there with the the digits yeah when you zap usually you will have to press the same button all the time and yeah or we can do something like that we can design the remote control to have access yeah you know some remote control have protection and so you you y yeah hey i just thought this thing there is a i mean you know there is are some with a wheel like this you instead of having the up down buttons for you can have the wheel yeah yeah a kind of joystick yeah yeah maybe we can have a wheel for incremental yeah okay so have a wheel for incremental have the digits on the lower side that can be closed so as you say protected and yeah i think this is the basi on the lower side i think it you have to turn it no and do we do we have a if we do that or a or a ball yeah not a a wheel but a ball and you say to no a wheel is better yeah i would say the wheel is better because of that what is the expert of yeah because it is it is it is not like a volume which is smooth yeah the channels change one by one yeah so you have to the user has to like to should feel the the the discrete sense a bit yeah the yeah okay yeah yeah that is a good idea well also we have to decide so it should be lightening in the dark i think because most people lost their remote control is quite it is quite easy we do that w with back light on the on the wheel okay yeah even if i l e d or a if if it is the l c d feature whatever yeah a blue a blue l e d and we sell that yeah and do we put an l c d display yeah because it was important for young customers if you remember i think it is only put on if cou have multi function yeah if you do not multi function then there is no p point in having l c d just increase the cost okay the user does not have an advantage really so no l c d and so no speech as well because it w it would delay too much the development process okay well if it is going to delay yeah but it will be cool it would because a user could say c n n for example and it would go c n n yeah that would be cool but 8 months is really long and yeah maybe we can just 10 years okay so i i will i will so i we will move to next meeting so in after the lunch break here are the individual action you are required to do but you will be recalled to the actions by email i think but you can take notes if you if you want but well the instruction will be sent so thank you for your suggestion and i i will make a summary of that meeting that i will put in the shared folder you can not see and and then you will you will be able to to see what has been has been said on on this meeting and and what has been decided okay okay okay maybe for next meeting send me your presentation before by email so that we can see them altogether yeah that would be easier what is the folder that you put yours in and did it it did work no no it did not work no no she send it to me by email ah yeah i dunno i dunno it okay so maybe this is better to send it by email okay what is your email okay so yeah i i am it is in the 1st email so i am participant one at ami where is that it is here at participant one okay participant one at ami okay so see you after lunch break kay thank you well during lunch break actually so next time we should have a fight how about management or something who happens to be your friend
okay okay everyone is ready hello so we are here for our functional design okay so we are here for the functional design meeting so 1st i will show the agenda so we will take notes during this meeting so i will try to summarize it and put that summary in the shared folder if you want to folder if you want to look at it afterwards so then each of you will lead a presentation on the task that has been required last time so user requirements specification technical function design and working design then i will present you some new project requirements i received from the management board then we will take the decision on the remote control needed functions and then i will assign you to task for the next part of the meeting of the process so we want to start the presentation of what they did do you want to start i can start yeah you can start cable camera do you have a poor point it should be in the folder no ah yeah maybe there up okay who are you i am 3 i think there is a technical problem do you think we said it in the wrong folder maybe you put it on it was somewhere in something like this i do not remember the name actually something like messenger army or something what do you have in short code go up participant too yeah go up yeah again no we are back we have no maybe messenger army messenger over okay no there is nothing there is no we have a technical problem technical problem yeah otherwise could you just describe by hand with the whiteboard yeah if you remember yeah yeah so basically what we want here is a remote control right yeah so the question was 1st of all what to control so most people want to have a remote for the hi fi and tv and stuff like that but other people want also remotes for a remote for a remote for a remote for controlling toys like robotic pets and robots and stuff and other people also want to have remotes for controlling the whole house so there is a project i think called x house or something like that you can integrate your remote with computers and stuff so that is one thing the other thing is the finder future the finder future by whistling or whatever if you have the finder future then you can also have at the same time as any general voice commands if you want so i think it should be a package in that case so the user interface consists of 2 parts one is the voice command part and one is the actual buttons part the buttons part would be a set of buttons for choosing devices a set of buttons for spatial navigation in space a set of buttons for linear access of medium and a set of buttons for random access okay what do you mean by linear access like a videotape goes forward backwards fast and stuff okay so spatial navigation linear access random access and there is a false one no so the button are for special navigation yeah for special navigation for example you might have a tv in the menu and you want to change then linear access then random access yeah and also parameter ah yeah parameter okay so if there are common parameters maybe we should put special buttons for that okay or maybe we could have everything generic but there are a lot of remotes on the market right now now and basically this is most of the almost everybody has this stuff okay and voice command did you voice command we could specify anything we could assign any button to any button if you have enough processing power i guess okay so that is that closed your investigations yeah yeah i think so okay maybe we can have a look at the user requirements with yeah i do not know if you can open it i do not know if i can open it it is not here it is in okay document no document yeah in which folder here here shortcut to rami to a mi shop folder maybe you can send it to me by email just to participate one at ami i can do that i try to show it to everyone that would be more comfortable okay you send it it is participant when yeah this is this email i am designing the face okay you can okay you can so maybe i can switch slides whenever you ask that would be more convenient so okay functional requirements you can go okay so in our usability lab we observed the remote control use among 100 subjects and this subject also filled a questionnaire okay and here are the results so you can see that 75% of users find most remote controls ugly so we have to find something to make them more nice more kind 80% of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy 80% of users would spend more money would spend more money when a remote control would look it is not good so okay so it is not good but i can say yeah 75% of users say they zap a lot so we have to have a remote control very hard for that the buttons are to be like you say resisting to shocks and 50% of users say they only use 10% of the buttons in the remote control so all the buttons we have to put have to have a real use and not only okay so few buttons maybe yeah not many buttons and usable buttons okay but what kind of remote controls did you look at sorry what kind of task was it it was tv yeah most is tv yeah but in fact it seems that we are going to make a tv remote control according to new requirements i received from the management board i will present them in the following them in the following ah good okay you can go so there are the frustrations expressed by users so they said they lost often the remote control in the room so they want to have a way to to find it yeah and a lot of the time it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control so they want something very simple and easy to use and remote controls are bad for what is the rsi rsi yeah alessai yeah you weigh your wrist if you can become painful you can have to turn on the teeth 0 yeah yeah i do not know that if you also tap on the computer in a strength position okay so we have to make it more ergonomic yeah you have to say haha it is your job 0 0 0  sorry got a message from microsoft okay before that i have some something to say before we know that they use a lot the remote control to change channel channel and to change the volume selection of the and not a lot for setting the channels and things like that so it is better to put something very easy to that and yeah this function should be very easy to that this function should be very accessible accessible yes this is the main function okay so then we ask some questions to them and we ask this question if they prefer an lcd screen or on a remote function remote control and if they pay more for a speed recognition in remote control and you can go we have here the results of the the questions so you know that for the younger it is very important to have lct and voice yes and speech recognition and the others is not so important but we know that people between 15 and 25 are people who watch a lot tv and who who can use a lot this okay so maybe we can have a speech recognition yeah maybe this is important yeah moreover maybe those like these teenager customers can advise their parents to buy this equipment and so we can we have to take care of that point of view i think also yeah okay and after the conclusion so as we said before i think a remote control lightning in the dark is a good thing not too many buttons like we said before easy to use a way to find it easily in the room and resistant to shock and to okay i do not know if you see something else important or i am just thinking of something else important or i am just thinking of something yeah we want to have a no i do not know if this is a good idea we want to have a general remote control for everything no no no we it seems that we no one to have a tv remote control okay from the management board i received an email because it would be costly and also it would take more time to develop to have a general generic remote control it is not true i think the 2nd claim that it would be too long to develop i think that should be the same 0 yeah because i received that email from management board and they seem to tell that that if we want to be on the market as early as possible we should focus on tv moreover it seems that the market is more important so maybe it is a good decision i know what is your opinion i have no idea i mean i should know about how fast you can design i do not think yeah finish tonight okay but basically yeah maybe i can continue with my presentation okay but i think we have some technical problem also so i am just going to describe briefly what we do in the remote control maybe you can go to the whiteboard if you have some drawings to do i do not know do i have 0 yeah i have enough cables you feel like a dog grueless okay so i am just going to describe in fact for a remote control this is quite easy easy we just have sorry okay are you okay like that i am just going to describe basically we have a battery a power supply here after that we just have an user interface let us say that something like that which could be lcd let us say or an array of push button something like that push button or lcd after that we feed that into an electronic chip so i say muc and i feed that to led which is infrared which is an infrared component and so what we for myself for us this is quite easy you see the central unit yeah okay it is just a chip which does all the numerical computation according to your display and so for us this is quite easy we just need to define what we want to do when the user interface wants want something and after that we just do the coding to send that to to the not the to the television okay so for us this is quite easy okay so this is quite easy yeah and we just have to define the processing power that we need especially if we want to do some speech recognition in that case that means that we are going to use more this thing this will take more time to develop yeah course of course but for a standard one this is really easy it is a question of one months and so do you speak about voice control no no no i say standard button one yeah standard remote control takes maybe one month to do that so the only time problem is the voice correction yeah definitely so do you have any idea of how long it take to have voice recognition or i would say i would say their i would say that 8 months to have the 1st results okay so it is a bit long yeah yeah i can one month for the start for the standard one with button yeah even if we have a lcd display yeah even i mean this is really standard devices now and 8 for speech recognition okay yeah okay so we can take this into account so we think it would be good to go for speech recognition like speech recognition but we do not have time to market and also how much i think i think we should go during the kickoff meeting you said that we we should not we should not go up to €125 per unit yeah so how many units should we sell to ever sell €25 yeah but how many yeah how much do you get how much do you if you buy 1000000 units 100000 units chips because you need chips right yeah how much would it cost for 100000 usually this is less than $2 per chip okay because we are even for a powerful one that has a good enough for those physical it seems that we want to sell like 4000000 units from the 1st meeting okay 4000000 okay maybe we can look at the new requirement i received from the management board and discuss all functions we want to have i just had a question do you want to continue with your present yeah i will continue well ask your question if you want you say that i do not remember my heart but 30% of the tasted people say that it is quite difficult to use the remote control do they say that this is difficult but for the same reason or do they have other reason maybe to keep in mind maybe to access to that menu you should do something like that yeah i think they say that it is difficult to learn how to use it but when you know how to use it it is okay and it is not intuitive yeah but yeah maybe and what about if we design a reason if we design a remote control which can be configured as you want you say that i want i have 6 buttons a lot of people are if you have the lcd screen you can do it completely the way you want because the buttons also will look the way you want them but it will be hard to configure i mean imagine so it is really something for the expert user so i mean there are markets and markets i think the young people that are our christine here said we have an iris so for our young people it would be cool they can be able to use it maybe their parents will not but they will configure it i guess i do not know if there is a study maybe it would be more complex to configure it to be simple than creating a simple product and there are other things that if we make something that is simple and it needs to use to use immediately that means that it will be exactly the same as everything else otherwise if it is different then of course it has some of it has to learn to use yeah but also we we see that that most people find it find remote controls too complex because they have too many buttons and they mainly use only channels and volume buttons so we may just make a very easy to use remote control with mainly those buttons yeah and maybe also some lightning stuff to because most people find also hard to find the remote control lose it etc these are these 2 points are the main frustration so maybe if we design something very simple and easy to find when lost it will add a serious competitive advantage without making something too complex and too long to develop so but let us see 1st the new requirement so we do not have to so this this is in the same direction as we were speaking so we do not have to make a very complex remote controls to access teletext and stuff like that tv text is just one button yeah but then you have to you have to define the buttons to surf amongst pages just write the numbers yeah so well we write with a channel keys right yeah so anyway we do not have to include this feature because it is it is not used anymore by users they prefer to yeah i am sure that it does not like it but i do not see just one button yeah i do not know if one button is still one more button if we want to make it very simple we have to reduce the number of buttons compared to our competitors well anyway i have this point we can discuss also as i told before it would be better if it is only for the tv because we want to be quick on the market and then also we have to make very clear that this remote control is part of our products and show a corporate logo and colors on the design as well so that they identify it as well as one of our product so this is the key points so before finishing we can define what would be the characteristic of the remote control and which button do we need which function do we want etc capital so so do you so from the marketing expert i think a key aspect is the easy to use aspect it should be very simple and most buttons are never used only 10% of the button are used often so i think we have to do something very simple and i think we all agree on that point well if it is going to be just a tv remote control it is going to be very very very much simple yeah okay so yeah the key point here is simple maybe so few buttons channel volume control and what what function do you see well if you should be as simple as possible just at the remote control there is no other function as i can see maybe switch tv on enough no you know you want to you are also to have advertising can revenue can come back on yeah something yeah volume maybe a mute button and then on off button and that is all i know that some you said that many people are doing plenty of a lot of zapping i know i discovered that when i did a quick look they do not they do something which is quite nice now you have a button you press it and this is the previous channel which is come back yeah this is cool maybe we can include that also previous channel button so we have like channel button the previous channel button the volume button plus a mute button and just the traditional on off button and of course the channel changing buttons yeah i told about that how should we implement that implement them because there could be numerical only there could be also incremental yeah incremental definitely because zapping you you switch them let us say that we can do something like that this is an incremental but when you press it for a long time you go 5 by 5 you go faster to go faster it is an interesting idea that if you press it for a long time you press it for long time it does something else in general so if you have your 10 buttons for the numerical buttons and you have instead of having just one memory you have a few percent for a long time no it does not work maybe we should have also a digit but have a complete keyboard and type console commands maybe we have also to have digits or only incremental i do not know because if you are useful like if you want to change between 3 channels for example then you have you cannot cannot work with just memory and then incremental yeah because you have your previous channel button if you have incremental only it is not does not worth it because the previous channel is here either -one or +one yeah so i think we need also digits maybe we can make very obvious the channel and volume button and smaller button down there with the digits yeah when you use up usually you would like to press the same button at the time yeah or we can do something like that we can design the remote control to have access you know some remote control have protection and so you you yeah yeah just i was just thinking there is a i mean you know there is some mask with a wheel like this instead of having the up down buttons yeah kind of joystick yeah maybe we can have a wheel for incremental okay so have a wheel for incremental have the digit on the lower side that can be closed so as you say protected and yeah i think this is the lower side i think you have to turn it and do we do we have a ball yeah not a wheel but a ball and you say a wheel is better i would say the wheel is better that that clackacac black is a part of yeah because it is not like a volume which is smooth yeah it is only change one by one yeah so you have to the user should like to should feel the red the discreet yeah a bit yeah that is a good idea and well also we have to decide so it should be lightning in the dark i think because most people lost their remote control it is quite easy we do that with backlight on the wheel if it is an led or if it is a lcd a blue led and we sell that and do we put an lcd display because it was important for young customers if you remember i think it is only important if you have multifunction if it is not multifunction then there is no point in having the lcd just increase the cost the user does not have an advantage so no lcd and so no speech as well because it would delay too much the development process it would be cool because the user could say cnn for example yeah that would be cool but 8 months is really long maybe we can just 10 years so i will i will so we will move to next meeting so in after the lunch break you are the individual action you are required to do but you will be recalled those actions those actions by email i think but you can take notes if you if you want but well the instruction would be sent so thank you for your suggestion and i will make a summary of that meeting that i will put in the shared folder you can see and and then you will you will be able to to see what has been has been said on this meeting and what has been decided maybe for next meeting send me your presentation before by email so that we can see them all together that would be easier what is the folder that you put yours in did it work no no it did not work i do not know i do not know it okay so maybe this is better to send it by email okay what is your email so yeah it is in the 1st email so i am participant one at amy okay where is that it is here participant one at amy okay so see you after lunch break well you in lunch break actually hey hey so next time how is it has got a fight he would be a man so we will have us to be a friend it is a fight hey not even though he is a fight in the wendry wogneiton it is very rare even very rare