think we can 1st right it was function f 8 or something this one right there tha okay okay who is going to do a powerpoint presentation think we all huh you will as well 0 i thought we all were yeah i have one too okay okay s yep whoops i forgot to put the thing on right i just want to cause basically i can not re i have really crap at remembering everyone is name so i just want to rather than going miss marketing and miss this and miss that wanted to know your names again okay okay i am just going to leave this up here cause i will you know yeah okay sure that is a good idea so i am catherine with a c c a t h e r i n e okay and gabriel gabriel e l is it e l kay and you are s r r e i s s i am reissa r e i s s a double s a yeah yeah sorry okay is just a bit nicer calling people by their names i think right true right kay okay right welcome to meeting b this is going to go a lot better than the last meeting basically cause i know what i am supposed to be doing now i am your project manager and yeah i am just here to sort of liaise between the 3 of you and get things going get people talking and and i am going to be making notes and sending them off to the powers that be and stuff basically right this for the purposes of this meeting what this meeting is all about is i am going to have some presentations from all 3 of you what you have been working on for the last wee while when you have not been getting hit with spam on your computers and and you know filling out silly questionnaires and things but hopefully you have been actually been doing something productive so we are going to each of you going to give us a litt a little presentation then we are going to work you know from each of your presentations we will we will talk about what we actually need as a final coming together of it all and then we will yeah we will sort of conclude anything else comes up at the end of it how long is the meeting this meeting it is not very long it is probably down to about 35 minutes now okay so i want each of your presentations to not be too long 55 minutes something like that no problem if you have not done a powerpoint thingy it does not matter it it just it just says that you it is that is just one particular medium if you have not had time to prepare one you can draw stuff on the noteboard you can talk to us you can you know however you want to do your little presentation basically you can do not feel pressurized into using this thing cause i do not okay so you okay over there reissa i am fine yeah are you b are you joining in with this meeting here or are y or are y or are you are you just are you just doing some internet shopping there i yeah yeah think she is finishing up her presentation d i mean i i am finishing off my presentation no no i am done okay okay jolly good alright let us have well we all know that it is it is a remote control that we are going to be dealing with i think the 1st thing we should look at is probably the what it is that it is actually supposed to be so that is going to be you catherine if we want to hear from you 1st okay okay just connecting this are we getting i you do not have to worry about screwing it in just there you go really okay cool okay so i have got a very quick okay so the working design i have got a very quick presentation on this so i have 0 no you can not see a thing 0 well i am going to draw it on the board then it is in blue and i could not change it 0 we it is fine on my screen but never mind ah so the idea is that we have got the energy source which in our case will pr 0 well okay never mind so i think maybe 2 batteries i dunno what they are called 6 or something like that and then then on the remote control itself will have the sender for the signal which could be an infra red signal which will be sent by an electronic chip and the chip will be controlled by the user interface so we will hear about that later from gabriel and the sender will send to the telly itself an infra red signal to tell it to switch on or switch channels and that is it really for the working design great okay sorry the presentation was not very clear but i prefer the pe i prefer the human touch personally really cool yeah should i erase this or do you want to just give us a moment i just want to copy this down okay i dunno if you guys have got any questions for catherine on any of this fine or suggestions is a battery like the only way of well it is just you do not want it plugged in really s yeah alternate energy source like win wind power or yeah you blow on it and i no no in indoors no i meant like bicycle power no cause like cha cause always changing batteries can get like annoying the battery is down and maybe i dunno solar charged i dunno swi i th i th i think changing your batteries once every 6 months is not really a pain but yeah it is worked for the last 50 years you know yeah one question i have and i do not know how much control we have over this is as far as the infra red signal do we have control over you know how far away you can be from the receiving unit the the t v and still have it be operational i mean maybe we want one with a strong signal stream how far away is your television yeah it is never going to be more than it is never going to be well the thing is you you do not you kno unless you have got a t v the size of a football pitch it is not does not have to go that far does it does not have to go through a wall because you are not going to be looking through a wall yeah that is true but if like you are on the phone in the other room and you need turn television off or something and you do not really want to go into the put the telephone down and go into the other room well we can make the the signal strong enough to go through walls if if you fancy it i did not think about that how about bluetooth but instead of using infra red use bluetooth why not is not that a better signal i just think that it is it is going to cost more and i am i am not sure it is you are going to use it yeah yeah i d it sounds like you you w do not want to overcomplicate things you know we do not need it it is a fancy idea it is quite nice but then i do not th i dunno either you if you want to watch the telly you are in the room you are going to yeah exactly basically we are we are desi we are designing and marketing a television remote control unit but we are not w w w w designing something that you can plug in a headset to and and you know connect to your laptop computer and stuff it is 0 we can we can keep the idea if you i we can see at a later stage maybe i do not is just an idea okay right well done catherine gab gabriel let us let us hear from you on on on such things okay do you need the border i am just going to use the powerpoint okay sorry technical okay adjusting okay so while this is warming up there it is yeah so i am doing the user interface design yeah and basically as far as methods i was i was looking looking at looking at already existing remotes trying to find some inspiration from designs that are already out there thinking of what we can retain what we can do away with what we what we can perfect a little bit as far as design we do not want to do something that is too radical of a change i guess i mean people want a remote that is familiar that has their favorite functionalities and and does the basics but yeah so we can improve what is out there and maintain that the basic functionality that people want so things that seem like absolute must haves would be a volume control so up down keys for that channel keys up down but then also a numerical key pad so that they can just key directly to the channel that they want rather than doing up down and a mute button one thing that i did not include here that i forgot that we talked about last time was doing some sort of lock function i do not i dunno that is one possibility okay and so in the research that i was doing there is basically 2 types of remotes ones that are engineering centered and ones that are more user centered which i do not know if i can access the web page from here but i can show you yeah so this is a engineer centered one so you see it is rather busy but it also lets you play your movie stop your movie fast forward all this freeze frame and this is a user centered one it is it is easier to g just glance at this and see what is possible to do you are not going to be staring at it for 5 minutes yeah great and i judging from what what we all talked about during our last meeting i kind of gathered that that is what we were going after or the direction we were going in at least so the engineering centered ones provide a lot of functionality but it can be a little bit overwhelming so the user centered ones just focus on ease of use and this sort of overlaps with what the marketing person reissa because we we need to find out what what people want before we make firm decisions on this yeah so yeah that is me great okay now that is i just have a q a q question for you this w research that you have been doing looki looking at other you know existing units stuff have you found that anyone else has do has looked into the locking function or no that that that seemed like a novel idea as f as far as i know i mean obviously another exists like you like you said in in mobile phones yeah that was sort of the inspiration for it i have never seen that with in in all my years in in the remote business yeah i have have not i have never seen a locking functionality i dunno what do you guys have a a yea or nay on that a feeling about whether that is really necessary i would say it is if it is simple to do which i think it probably should be even if it is a physical you know yeah a f a like a f a physical switch or a physical cover for the remote even something like that kay then yes it is like you know like s you said earlier on ab ab ab a flip thing something like that but you know being physical right look into i have had word down from head office that something that we should be centered well something we should take into account is we have got to keep the corporate image within this remote control unit it has got to d look like it is in the r and r you know the the company it is it is from what i can see from our other products are yellow with blue writing on them right and our motto is is we put the fashion in electronics we put the fashion in electronics i think i think we have to carry that mental there you go so it is kinda got to look it has got to look new and s you know something fashionable if if remote control well if telephones can be fashionable then maybe remote control units can be well yeah these i think we can so we talked about the layout in my presentation and what i did not mention yet really is is the sort of like the ergonomic design yeah because we need i t i think we can make big improvements over these 2 that you see here i mean yeah everything is going t ergonomic you know great there is you know mice for your computers that are very ergonomic and keyboards and that could be one of our niches p sort of in the market i guess okay fantastic right well done gabriel okay reissa where does it go into let us plug you in baby here yeah the blue thing yeah this is getting all yeah then you just have to do function f 8 and it should come up well function f 8 no 0 yeah w it it just takes a wee while yeah it just takes a 2nd come on right okay okay well for our marketing report we observed remote control users in a usability lab and also gave so this is research and we also gave participants questionnaires to fill out total number of people tested were a 100 just so you know so that 100 people were tested and these were the findings so 75% of users find the remote control ugly okay so they do not like the look of the remote control 80 f 80% of them would spend more money if the rem remote control looked really cool and fancy so i think we all agree with that current remote controls do not match well with the operating behavior of the user so they do not like like the way they operate it does not like match how people behave per cent of the users say that they only use 10% of the buttons on a remote so probably if you have like one 2345 the whole up to z 10 they probably do not use those they only use the up and down channel cause we have only got 5 channels exactly that is another thing 75% of users say they zap not quite sure what they mean zap goes like i think that is k flicking quickly between channels yeah you want to navigate the channels quickly i guess yeah yeah takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote i think especially for the older generation i know my grandmother does not like mobile phones takes ages to work how to use anyway and they also remotes often get lost in the room so nobody can find them so maybe tracking devices is a good idea personal preferences wow you are a child of technology are not you so yeah i was thinking something easy to use especially for older people has to look really cool flashy groovy for people to buy it and it is easy to find so i do not know whether maybe and also we asked them whether they wanted whether they would be interested in voice activating so voice activation so and this was what we came up with then if you look 15 to 25 this is age sorry age groups so 15 to 25 said like 9291% of them said yes so there you go yeah so basically the majority except for the 45 to 55 year olds for some reason did not want a voice activated one and neither did the older generation but the younger generation who we are catering for like who have most of the money nowadays do want a voice act speech recognition in a remote but do the younger generation have the money no i would i would say the older the older people yeah they they do not it is older generation they are the ones that have gone out and well the 25 to 35 year old and 35 and the 35 to 45 457% say no so people people from the age of 30 f there is a big drop off there for people up to the age of 35 you are kinda saying yeah they want it but no they are not sort of most people that have the money are people from the age of 35 to 55 yeah that would be my guess as well cause they are the ones that have been working for 20 years so they do not d and tha and that is a that is quite a minority there so yeah it is not even like 5050 that is th 35% well these guys are growing up what about just from the the prospective of our manufacturing cost i mean if if it is 1250 per unit yeah i mean okay there is voice activation might not be the best i would say scra i would say scrap that straight off also with with buttons a thing called r s i so wrist sense huh repetitive strain representative repetitive strain injury or like from doing yeah repetitive strains injury so they do not i think people who watch t v maybe too often keep changing channel hurts their wrist well maybe they should not watch so much t v then i do not think so so y so it is so it is so you got so that is something we should have a look into then i when desi when designing the ergonomics of see have a look if there is any w any medical background we can find out about this yeah maybe not so hard maybe it could be instead of pressing button it could be just touching a yeah let us jus we just want need to cover our arses so that people are not going to sue us in 10 years time maybe say your remote control gave me repetitive strain injury yeah we should probably consult with our legal department yeah they are having a lunch break at the moment but yeah yeah i will see if i can get see if i can get hold of them for the next meeting yeah i think we can do some really in in that department the the ergonomic department we can make some some really good improvements yeah maybe th the buttons not so high up so you do not have to press so much or we just like flat buttons something yeah okay so that is me that is great thank you very much for that reissa okay so we have basically we have decide we have d we have decided that it is going to be you know we are going for a basic television remote it has got to be safe to use it has got to look cool it has got to be cheap s now going back to the industrial design of it you know we were looking at whether to use maybe infra red or bluetooth i think we should just go with the simplest option on everything and that would be infra red energy source that would be batteries mean we we can look into using the s you know the little tiny weeny batteries all like special long lasting batteries but a in there is no i do not think there is any point in making a remote control unit that is going to last for 50 years because technology will have changed and you know we will not have televisions in 10 years time so yep i think we are all pretty sussed on that anyone have any questions everybody happy in their work yeah it seems like we are all on the pretty much on the same page now this is good we have got a good structure going on we all know where we are going to have you been ge has have any of you lot been getting loads of crap spam on your computers 0 it is probably just you cause you are the project manager well just questionnaires yeah sell trying to sell your things yeah stuff okay do 0 have you guys found out if we can if we can e mail stuff to each other yeah you can right okay do all you all know my e mail address no i do not i think he is participant one are not you well in the project announcement you have got the addresses i think i so project manager it is participant one at a m i 0 it is just participant 10 okay yeah can you all d e mail me your e mail addresses well it is just w it is just it is just par participant one participant 2 you have them i you have them but we will send you an e mail send me yeah yeah okay you want to have friends do not you so are we headed towards like a b a big yellow and black remote as far as maybe that is our next meeting that we discuss that is it yellow and black or is it yellow and blue i i kind of thought it was blue writing on a yellow background but i might be just going a bit well it is like white on i white and blue on a black background with white with yellow borders okay maybe that is like getting ahead of ourselves well it would not be maybe you can come up with a few with a couple of different ideas can not we have different colors in the remotes so somebody can choose different colonel like does it have to be of a certain well see the thing is is we have got to keep the company image it has got to say people have got to look at this remote control and instantly recognize that it is a real reaction i product but if it is a r r it would be real reaction like if it had a symbol on it there is loads of companies that called r r whoa this is slog but this is the slogan this is the the the the type and this is something that came on down from from the higher ups so i mean we are sort of beholden to them yeah so we have to have it one color well not necessarily not one color but the pattern needs to be recognizable but we have to incorporate it not necessarily even if i it just has to ye but you have to look at the product and instantly know that it is one of our products as opposed to a sony product or a well you could you know a panasonic product it has got to so maybe so you can have a look at our our other products and see if they all follow a s similar vein perhaps it could come but it could come in different colors and have the r r colors just somewhere like just around the lock button could be the r r logo or colors and yeah yeah if quite poss yeah well this is all your department okay well well done everybody and i think we stop for lunch now yeah pretty soon i think i guess that is now are we are we finished ahead of schedule we might possibly have done cool alright see you all soon if we have if we have finished at 5 minutes before the meeting is supposed to finish then that means we get an extra 5 minutes for lunch kay yeah there you go right i just have to there is a few little bits and pieces i have to write down but take your headsets off kick back smoke em if you got em
quick 1st function function a theta or something this one is that okay who is going to do a powerpoint presentation i think we all you will as well i thought we all are yeah i have one too okay i was so i just want to because basically i can not i really crap at remembering everyone is names so i just want to rather than go out and miss marketing i miss this and miss that i want to know your names again and i always just can leave this up here because i will you know sure that is a good idea so catherine with a c c a t h e r i am okay and gabriel gabriel e l is it okay and i am rysa r e i e i 0 s a r b i s a yeah yeah it is just a bit nicer calling people by their names i think right right right okay okay right welcome to meeting b this is going to go a lot better than the last meeting basically because i know what i am supposed to be doing now i am your project manager and yeah i am just here to you know sort of liaise between the 3 of you and get things going get people talking and and i am going to be making notes and sending them off to the powers that be and stuff basically right this for the purposes of this meeting what this meeting is all about is i am going to have some presentations from all 3 of you what you have been working on for the last way while when you have not been getting hit with spam on your computers and you know filling out silly questionnaires and things but hopefully you have been actually doing something productive so we are going to each of you going to give us a little presentation then we are going to work you know from each of your presentation we will talk about what we actually need as a final coming together of it all and then we will sort of conclude and anything else comes up at the end of it how long is the meeting this meeting it is not very long it is probably down to about 35 minutes now so i want each of your presentations to not be too long 5 minutes something like that if you have not done a powerpoint thingy it does not matter it is just it just says that you it is that is just one particular medium if you have not had time to prepare one you can draw stuff on the note board you can talk to us you can you know however you want to do your little presentation basically you can do not feel pressurized into using this thing because i do not okay so you okay over there i am fine yeah are you joining in with this meeting here yeah yeah or are you just doing some internet shopping there no no i am done okay jolly good all right let us have well we all know that it is a remote control that we are going to be dealing with i think the 1st thing we should look at is probably what it is that it is actually supposed to be so that is going to be you catherine okay i want to hear from you 1st okay you do not have to worry about screwing it in really okay there you go cool i have got a very quick okay so the working design i have got a very quick presentation on this so i have 0 no you can not see a thing 0 well i am going to draw it on the board then it is in blue and i could not change it it is fine on my screen but never mind so the idea is that we have got the energy source which in our case 0 well okay never right so i think maybe 2 batteries i do not know what they call lr 6 or something like that and then then on the remote control itself will have the sender for the signal which could be an infrared signal an electronic chip and the chip will be controlled by the user interface so we will hear about that later from gabriel and the sender will send to the tell itself an infrared signal to tell it to switch on or switch channels and that is it really for the working design great sorry the presentation was not very clear i prefer to hear the touch personally should i erase this do you want to just give us a moment i just want to copy this down fine i do not know if you guys we have got any questions guys have got any questions for catherine on any of this or suggestions is a battery like the only way of well it is just you do not want it plugged in really alternate energy source like wind power or no indoors you blow on it and bicycle power always changing batteries can get like annoying the battery down and maybe i do not know so i think changing your batteries once every 6 months is not really a pain but yeah it is worked for the last 50 years you know one question i have and i do not know how much control we have over this is as far as the infrared signal do we have control over you know how far away you can be from the receiving unit the tv and still have it be operational maybe we want one with a strong signal straight how far away is your television it is never going to be more than it is never going to be unless you have got a tv the size of a football pitch it does not have to go that far does it it does not have to go through a wall because you are not going to be looking through a wall yeah but if you are on the phone in the other room and you turn television off or something and you do not really want to go into put the telephone down and go into it well we can make the signal strong enough to go through walls if you can not sit i do not think about that how about bluetooth instead of using infrared it is bluetooth why not i just think that it is going to cost more yeah i am not sure it is you are going to use it we do not want to over complicate things you know we do not need it it is a fancy idea it is quite nice but then i do not i do not know either you if you want to watch the teller you are in the room you are in the room you are you are in the room you are going to yeah exactly basically we are designing a marketing television remote control unit we are not we are designing something you can plug in a headset to and and you know connect your laptop computer and stuff it is we can we can keep the idea if yeah we can see at a later stage maybe okay all right well done gabrielle let us hear from you on do you need the board or i am just going to use the power okay technical struggles okay so while this is warming up there it is so i am doing the user interface design as far as methods i was looking at already existing remotes trying to find some inspiration from designs that are already out there thinking of what we can retain what we can do away with what we can perfect a little bit as far as design yeah we do not want to do something that is too radical of a change i guess i mean people want a remote that is familiar that has their favorite functionalities and does the basics so we can improve what is out there and maintain the basic functionality that people want so things that seem like absolute must haves would be volume control to up down keys for that channel keys up down but then also a numerical keypad so that they can just key directly to the channel that they want rather than doing up down and a mute button one thing that i did not include here that i forgot that we talked about last time was doing some sort of lock function okay i do not know that is one possibility and so in the research that i was doing there is basically 2 types of remotes ones that are engineering centered and ones that are more user centered actually i do not know if i can access the web page from here so this is an engineer centered one so you see it is rather busy but it also lets you play your movie stop your movie fast forward all this grease frame and this is a user centered one it is easier to just glance at this and see what is possible to do you are not going to be staring at it for 5 minutes and judging from what we all talked about during our last meeting i kind of gathered that that is what we were going after or the direction that we were going in at least so the engineering centered ones provide a lot of functionality but it can be a little bit overwhelming so the user center ones just focus on ease of use and this sort of overlaps with the marketing person risa because we need to find out what people want before we make the same thing so yeah that is me great okay now i just have a question for you and this research that you have been doing looking at other existing units and stuff have you found that anyone else has looked into the locking functional that seemed like a novel idea as far as i know i mean obviously another that exists like you said in mobile phones yeah that was sort of inspiration for it i have never seen that in all my years in remote business i have never seen a locking functionality i do not know do you guys have a yay or an a on that a feeling about whether that is really necessary i would say it is it is if it is simple to do which i think it probably should be even if it is a physical you know like a physical switch or a physical cover for the remote even something like that then yeah it is it is 0 like you know like you said earlier on a flip thing something like that but you know being physical look into i have had word down from head office that is something that we should be centered well something we should take into account is we have got to keep the corporate image within this remote control unit it has got to look like it is an r r you know the company it is from what i can see from our other products are yellow with blue writing on them and our motto is we put the fashion in electronics there you go i think we have to carry that mantle so it is kind of got to look new and you know something fashionable if remote control well if telephones can be fashionable then maybe remote control units can be yeah these i think we can so we talked about the layout in my presentation or what i did not mention yet really is the sort of like the ergonomical design yeah because we need i think we can make big improvements over these 2 that you see here yeah everything is going ergonomic you know there is mice for your computers that are very ergonomic and keyboards and that could be one of our niches sort of in the market i guess okay fantastic well done gabrielle risa where is it going to be let us plug you in baby here yeah the blue state right alice is getting a little tangled to make a sense yeah then you just have to do function f 8 and it should come up well function f 8 yeah it takes very well all right okay let us hope this works okay well from a marketing report we observed remote control users in the usability lab and also gave so this is research and we also gave participants questionnaires to fill out total number of people tested were 100 just so you know so that 100 people were tested and these were the findings so 75% of users find the remote control ugly okay so they do not like the look of the remote control 80% of them would spend more money if the remote control looked really cool and fancy so i think we all agree with that current remote controls do not match controls do not match well with the operating behavior of the user so they do not like the way they operate it does not match how people behave 30% of the users say that they only use 10% of the buttons on the remote so probably if you have like one 2 3 4 5 the whole up to 10 they probably do not use those they only use up and down channels because we have only got 5 channels exactly that is another thing 75% of users say they zap i am not quite sure what they mean zap then that is flicking quickly between channels yeah you want to navigate the channels quickly it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote especially for the older generation i know my grandmother does not like mobile phones it takes ages to work out of music anyway and they also remotes often get lost in the room so nobody can find them so maybe tracking devices is a good idea personal references wow you are a child of technology are not you so yeah i was thinking something easy to use especially for older people it has to look really cool flash and gruelly people to buy it and it is easy to find so i do not know whether maybe and also we asked them whether they wanted whether they would be interested in voice activating so voice activation so and this was what we came up with and if you look 15 to 25 this is age sorry is that out of the way age group so 15 to 25 said like 91% of them see there you go so basically the majority except for the 45 to 55 year olds for some reason did not want a voice activated one and neither did the older generation but the younger generation who we are catering for like who have most of the money nowadays do you want a voice act speech recognition but do the younger generation have the money no they do not it is an older generation they are the ones that have gone out well the 25 to 35 year old and 35 and the 35 to 45 45 45 45 45 7% i will say no people from the age of 30 there is a big drop off there for people up to the age of 35 they are kind of saying yeah they want it but no they are not the sort of most people that have the money are people from the age of 35 to 55 yeah that would be my guess because they are the ones that have been working for 20 years and that is a that is quite a minority there that say yeah it is not even like 50 50 50 and they are 50 50 that is 35% these guys are growing up what about just from the perspective of our manufacturing cost i mean if it is 1250 per unit yeah i mean okay there is voice activation might not be the best i would say scrap that straight off also with buttons a thing called rsi so riscenc repetitive strain injury yeah repetitive strange injury so they do not i think people who watch tv maybe too often keep changing the channel hurts their wrist i think so maybe they should so so you so you got so that is something we should have a look into then it when design when designing the ergonomics to see have a look if there is any medical background we can find out about this button could be just touching yeah we just want to need to cover our asses so that people are not going to sue us in 10 years time and say your remote control gave me repetitive strain injury yeah we should probably consult with our legal department yeah they are having a lunch break at the moment but yeah let us see if i can get out of the next meeting i think we can do some in that department the ergonomic department to make some other things to make some other good improvements maybe the button is not so high up so you do not have to press so much maybe just like flat buttons yeah okay so that is me that is great thank you very much for that racer  okay so we have basically we have decided that it is going to you know we are going for a business we are going for a basic television remote it has got to be safe to use it has got to look cool it has got to be cheap now going back to the industrial design of it we are looking at whether to use maybe infrared or bluetooth i think we should just go with the simplest option on everything and that would be infrared energy source that would be batteries i mean we can look into using this you know the little tiny we needy batteries or a lot special long lasting batteries but in there is no i do not think there is any point in making a remote control unit that is going to last for 50 years because technology would have changed in you know we will not have televisions in 10 years time so i think we are all pretty sussed on that anyone have any questions everybody happy in their work yeah it seems like we are all pretty much on the same page now this is good we have got a good structure going on we all know where we are going to have you been as have any of you lot been getting loads of crap spam on your computers it is probably just you because you are the project manager no just question there yeah trying to sell you things and yeah but just stuff okay 0 have you guys found out if we can email stuff to each other yeah you can right do you all know my email address no i do not in the project announcement you have got the addresses i think so project manager it is partisement one at a can you all email me your email addresses you have them but we will send you in emails we want to have friends do not you yeah okay so are we headed towards a big yellow and black remote as far as maybe that is our next meeting is it yellow and black or is it yellow and blue i kind of thought it was blue writing on a yellow background but i might be just it is like white and blue on a black background with yellow borders okay maybe that is getting ahead of ourselves maybe you can come up with a couple of different ideas how do we have different colors in a remote so somebody can choose different colors well see the thing is we have got to keep the company image it has got to say people have got to look at this remote control and instantly recognize that it is a real reaction but if it is an rr it would be real reaction there is loads of companies called r this is slogan but this is the slogan this is the the the type and this is something that came on down from the higher ups so i mean we are sort of beholden to them so we have to have it one color well not necessarily but we have to incorporate it not necessarily even it just has to but you have to look at the product and instantly know that it is one of our products as opposed to a sony product or a you know a panasonic product it has got to so maybe so you can have a look at our other products and see if they all follow us similar vein perhaps but it could come in different colors and have the rr colors just somewhere like just around the lock button could be the rr logo or colors and yeah well this is all your department okay well well done everybody and i think we stop for lunch now yeah i guess that is now have we finished ahead of schedule we might possibly have done cool all right see you all soon if we finished 5 minutes before the meeting is supposed to finish then that means we get an extra 5 minutes for lunch okay there you go there you go right i just have to a few little bits and pieces i have to write down but take your headsets off kick back smoke them if you go got him