welcome back hello hello let me see there is one of mine okay roo welcome back hello flores the waiting is for sebastian there he is is there any time for a cup of coffee we have a slight problem i opened the c d rom box guys sorry can i get a cup of coffee no okay you can not sorry so just cancel it well during my work i have no time either so well this is life sorry roo yeah i opened the c d rom box okay accidentally okay but it is alright people welcome back with the 2nd meeting for now on the schedule are a few points 1st of all the opening which we are doing now 2nd i received some new project requirements i am not sure if you received them as well but i will tell you about it then the 3 of you prepared a presentation i think sebastian i think so too roo yeah ruud almost almost okay then we will do your one as la the last the top goal of this m but you can not upload your presentation from here i believe we will figure that out okay ca can you try to if it if it if it is wireless i could just put it in the yeah w we will see i do not think it is wireless here it is yeah it is or it is it is yeah okay great okay yeah the top goal of this meeting is to reach a decision on the product on the target group and and the functions of the remote control so keep that in mind we have 40 minutes so it is now yep okay the new project requirements 1st of all we did not speak about it but we should not support teletext in the remote because our b board feels that teletext is out of date and internet is replacing teletext so we are not even going to try to implement it in our product it is a board decision the remote control should only be used for television because it is not f feasible it is not w we we cannot make it because of the time to market that we have to deal with yeah time yeah the 3rd requirement is that we should focus on customers that are younger than 40 which is important for you ruud and as well for roo because the product should be interesting and and should be bought by people younger than 40 then for roo as well important the corporate image should be recognizable in our product so the color colors and the slogan do have to be in the product yes is that clear any questions on these requirements no okay the individual presentations i th roo or sebastian who of you would like to start yeah i will start yeah yes okay great 0 how can i geez and sli and show just press it yes alright well w we we had discussed this already in the fin in the previous discussion the method of the remote control is just the function of remote control is basically to send messages to the television set so that was the main important thing what a remote control should do yeah then i found 2 different kind of remote controls the multi function remote control with many possibilities but the lack of the feeling i already mentioned in the previous discussion and the ease of use remote control with the less p possibilities but a great feeling in in touching the buttons yeah but yeah my personal preferences were ease of the easy to use remote control because the user friendliness and it can be more trendy in in user design but your new goal f was for people than less than 40 years old huh so maybe the multi function can be implemented in in our design but it should b i think it should be a combination but teletext buttons are not in our design so it should take out well 8 buttons or so but my in my opinion the the easy to use r c is the best possi possibility for us okay ruud did you get that yeah b most yeah okay so the important thing here is and it is also i indeed ruud is insight in the in the topic 0 user friendly in the market yeah yeah what what does the market want i i do not know yeah okay w we will s we all just for for user desi user friendliness i should choose for the the ease of use remote control yeah okay sebastian okay excuse me scusi okay it is still the right thing okay well there are some changes in the design requirements so there are some changes in the method also basically all this device has to do is send messages to a t v set and the m most easy way to do this is by sending pulses of infrared light to a t v set well i th i tried to implement a picture here but it is hardly readable energies and can you see it no it is not visible no well there is a energy source here and basically there it is connected to 3 things the user interface connected to a chip which is connected to the sender which generates messages using infrared light which are sent to the receiver that is basically the idea and there is a little picture just for your imagination how a device like this should look or can look okay what have i found usually these kind of things consist of a battery infrared diode buttons chips and circuit board that is all it is cased together nothing more than that it is almost every piece of equipment every piece of every t v set is controlled infrared yeah there are some exceptions but most of all have infrared controls and the more luxury remote controls have lithium buttons and i think that is what we w yes the glow in the dark concept we discussed in the and it is a little more a little bit more fancy also so maybe we should consider that yeah okay okay i have a basic scheme of the things which are implemented basically this is all there is there is just one chip there are a few buttons connected the buttons are lit and the whole thing is transmitted by a infrared li diode and there is not a power source here so that is basically the total design of this piece of equipment there is nothing more to it so it is fairly easy it is fairly easy it has been done many times before and i think we should we should c s succeed in in our plan to do this succeed in it also okay okay good so okay so personally i think we should infra use infrared because otherwise our device cannot communicate with almost every t v set so i think that should be clear okay another important point is we really should use energy sparse friendly components there are specially designed energy friendly components which consume far less power than conventional components and if we want to use a rechargeable design or a energy save design we should really implement them for cost effectiveness we should really use a very low cost circuit board because most of the production cost are are in this part of the equipment okay and the money we save on using this we can use for elaborate fancy lighting techniques blinking leds and all that kind of fancy stuff i think our users will really will really like that and what is the if we use the leds i does it use much more energy or no they are p f power friendly leds also okay so we can use them so that is no problem for the same costs it is can be in our no they are they are a little bit more expensive but by making combined with the low cost circuit board so it is we can we can make its i think well you could only lit the buttons the buttons that are used most so the channel switching yeah yeah or yeah but but the question is whether 2 or 4 buttons makes m makes such a difference in the costs if you already plan to include fancy lightning techniques okay but i think i guess true yeah i think it is the same as in the cell phone just light in in the device that that shines on all the buttons and not for yes well it is not one light it there are more lights in a in a in a mobile device yeah but not for each button one led i think no no no no that is right that is right okay so well this should be it okay have a think about it yeah okay ruud 0 mine is already outdated okay well we ar we are very curio curious to what the market will feel about such a product since so any income is welcome input okay make well then i am sure the target market is 10000000 units of of which we should sell about 40% to make the 5000000 could you step a little bit more to the right okay yeah thank you but since the other part is 40% of the market i thought earlier we might want to constrain that portion of the market but since the requirements changed that is not a good idea well skip this yeah well it is this till true of course that they only use 10% the buttons the buttons to zap are used the about 1500 times when the power button is only used one time and the volume button is only 4 times so they are obv obviously the most important buttons and lots of people complained they kin can not find their remote control so we might want to build in a feature to support them some audio signal like home phones okay or well that is interesting or a find a finding function you know yeah yeah that is definitely interesting that is quite a yes it it separates our product from others as well sound signal yeah yeah okay go on yes well i just said that and well this obvious and he also said it okay so that is what the market tells us that is about it yes yep okay the volume and the zap buttons are the mostly used mo zap buttons most so volume they are use a lot but yeah well it should just have a design more than all the other buttons so the perfect design for those only those buttons yes and 1st yes we should focus on that i guess yeah yep well the technical there i think there are no technical difficulties there is no elaborate technique used in this kind of equipment so i do not think we have any hiccups there so we can fully concentrate on developing a product that is really what the market needs so maybe it is a good idea to think about these buttons and and and a sound signal yeah the sound signal just one thing i am just wondering the sound signal from where do you execute th the s sound yeah that is a problem well yes th that is a bit of that is a problem another device is not a solution yeah well maybe maybe like clapping in your hands like turning on and off the the the lights usually it should be 0 yes yeah but maybe you will get some new technologies for it yes well there there are some devices who incorporate this technique already there are video sets and they have a special button the find the remote control button you press it and your t v set starts to make a kind of weird sound and your remote controls then start to beep reports representative respend response to it and yeah just like the phones the yes yes that is it yes same thing yeah but th but but t v s do not have all no so we we should use something else buttons and you yeah and usually yeah because we do not have a a a a a home but i believe you will have an we do not control the t v set so well and even if the t v set would have such a button you would have to walk to your t v and it is yes m yes s and we b we want to make so it is is easy as possible for our customers so we should think about okay so what about the clapping technique because you se i am convinced sebastian will find one solution for us it is quite complicated well it is quite complicated because how can you separate the clapping sound from other sounds and b well you see it a lot in in light lightning yes yes well basically the characteristics the characteristics of clapping is just an increase in the volume yeah a peak the amplitude of the sound which is generated a few times within a certain period of time yeah yeah but there are many other sounds which are exactly the same from the point of view from a remote control so if if you would be watching a movie it would constantly beep yeah that is true yes so we do not want that but we can have just a home stat f a base station next to the t v maybe we can just a little antenna or something something like that well if you lost th i do not think people would bother walking to the t v and press that button because they lost the their remote well is there not something f something more easily well well i do not think that is just no and y the the most important thing for people is that there is a central point to which they can go and b perform a a some kind of yeah and then the remote control reports itself so w we should use have we should use something like that you do not want another device which can be everywhere in the house which you have to find 1st before you can find your remote control just a base station next to the t v is the best possibility yes something like that but that will be very costly i think so that is not a good idea yeah m maybe w we we do agree on on the thing that the remote should have such a function yeah if it is possible within the costs and all that kind of things maybe sebastian should have a detailed look later on and come up with a solution because that is his his field of expertise i will yeah yes yes but before i do that i w i want to warn you that by implementing this kind of a function the technical design will become more complicated and it will become more costly also yep because there will be additional components which which will be used and there are some implepe imp and do we even prefer the sound above the the leds the lightning well i i think so because when you have a p newspaper over your remote control you cannot see it function it is a unique item so yeah it is a distinction in the market it will be an a unique feature of our remote control it is a different exactly yeah it is an uni an unique feature and i think it is worth looking and and probably more i interesting than than the lights yeah and just about the user interface i came up with an easy remote control and an advanced remote control yeah what should we choose in in design yeah well according to ruud people do not use all the extra features very very often well the extra functions so i have the numbers r i have the numbers right here okay well t we will not support teletext which which was the 3rd most the 2nd most used function used option okay okay well we we do have a wise board so i am not questioning that well yeah channel selection is obviously the most important yeah okay so on the relevance scale the channel selection the volume selection and the teletext so yeah well we skip that yeah so well so it just th the basic functions okay and we do not have to use it for d v d players and all kind of stuff no no no so nope so that is out of the question yeah yeah so just through the easy design i think we should go for the easier one we can make a nice design when when there is not mu much buttons in it i think also yes so well we should save costs by not implementing a lot of functions and the money that we can save from that we should use for having a nice design and thinking about the user interface and no yeah okay ruud how do you feel about that do you agree do you think the market would would respond to a simple well if we include other innovative functions then they might cause young people like new features yeah so yeah that is right okay so this is is kind of just a few buttons trendy design nice lightning effects wh and the sound okay well is it maybe there is another possibility you can make it look like an easy s piece of equipment but it is quite elaborated because it has many functions yeah maybe it is more important to make the make it look like a very friendly easy to catch piece of equipment but nevertheless but but are we not in in the in the manual i mean if you have few buttons no display i mean i guess it is l it is working with with a shift functions and one button can ok like that well i was more thinking about a more elaborate way of controlling by by these kinds of sticks or something like that i do not know if if it is user friendly that is your field of expertise yeah i do not know yet but but how does how does the remote report r give back to the user w in what state it is because we do not implement a user history there is no but there is no way to do that because we cannot implement that kind of the system i know but but if we use like a stick for example w well maybe we can use a light for that when you move the stick to a to a position maybe a light next to it can lit up so you know i have just pushed the button or i changed the channel or t turned up the volume something like that and if you use that stick for volume control and channel selection you have the m 2 most important functions in one button yeah yes and we could have other buttons for the for the advanced functions but does it i then should n just use i instead of the stick like many cell phones just a round m well should we just use a yeah draw draw it on the board it is already 0 we have a blank 0 0 yeah something like that it is not really a stick but it is just an easy way of of a round button what which can be pushed in 4 directions yes yes instead of a stick a stick is v vulnerab vulnerable yeah it can break down when it is falling down or just a round button should be the trick i think yes yes yeah and yes and this also looks more fancy i think i think it it will attract yeah more public i think a younger huh but you are the marketing man and it is also quite easy to use so it will it attract younger people because well new and it might attract older people because it is easy to use geez well volume and something like that huh the program up and down okay yeah and the vol yeah the pen does not really does what i want okay that is good okay but w we still we are still in the question of putting in advanced options ruud just told us the market is interested in some advanced new techniques however keeping it simple is is important for the costs and all all those kind of things we need to find a balance between the advanced techniques and and the user friendliness but i think our our next step to look at is just that so i do not think it is we have something to do we can not discuss it right now because n no one of us have has the information to discuss about that well for we do have to decide this this meeting i think yes yeah we need to have the the user function the functions decided and okay our target audience kay but teletext is so is just scrapped okay do do you want a list of functions do you want an explicit list which incorporates all function available on the device well i do not want a full it is not necessary to to have a full list but i want the kind of functions for example th the most important are volume and program selecting okay okay the 10 digits well for example that that is what we should think about l how is the remote going to look 0 and just one function not not in the user interface but the the the the program to program button the switch to 2 channels when you have something on channel 4 and something on channel 6 just one button which which can change yeah yes yeah a bit of a split mode change l like yeah yes yes dual channel watch yes yeah okay well m maybe i should write that down well you are the secretary ruud what is your last name mielsen mielsen because i i was writing it down in the last mielsen right i put all the minutes i make into the shared folder so if you want to have a look at it you know where to find it okay but make a s make a sub folder for it because it is starting to fill up already alright yeah that is that is if you want to do it sebastian yeah sure our b s c w okay okay so so volume program dual channel yes that is important and and do we want the 10 digits the 10 digits yeah i believe so well are are you sure well if you want to go to channel 90 and you have th that button i am not so sure yeah well that is complicated but is that so relevant yeah because i do not think but you should shou you should know that i would not buy it personally if it were so a remote control without the 10 digits okay i can imagine when and i think the most i agree actually i can imagine when you are when you have a satellite decoder and and you have well about 600 channels i can imagine you want this just elder elder people would would buy it but well but if you are a regular t v user and you just want to watch the the dutch television networks well you can you can use about 10 buttons but we do have 13 different dutch channels that is enough but yep yeah and if if we the older people only use 5 of them well but how how often do you watch all these channels and if we are targeting at the younger audience they will probably watch more channels than the older people often so no you are probably right yeah okay but i think these 10 buttons look a bit dull do not you think well it depends on the on the on the looks on the on the the design on the design okay well y then there should be should done be done something specific with it well you c you can d make them very fancy by and i mean nokia they have 10 digits on their phones and it still looks very fancy yeah so i am i am i do not agree okay so you can experiment by with with shape or with size or with color that kind of thing exactly exactly okay and there are some numbers about speech recognition here that younger people would like it it might be expensive and hard to implement but it would be a solution okay speech for well maybe it can be combined with the find the remote control yeah so when you add speech recognition to your remote control it is very easy to change the channel yeah that is one thing and it is very easy to find your remote control to find yeah so maybe that is a possibility but i am afraid it will be a bit costly yeah but maybe when we if if we would drop the 10 digits but keep the program and the volume because maybe people do not always want to use their voice okay okay okay especially elder people do not like voice recognition so then we should implement such a but yeah but we do focus on younger people we d it it is a board decision okay yes well i i think it should should work it sh we should manage that so we have to i to make a decision between the 10 digits or the voice recognition okay yes well the voice recognition has the main adva has another advantage it is mas it makes it very easy for us to implement the find find the remote control button remote control function so that is that is a big advantage i think okay okay g good okay there is only one disadvantage by implementing this the power saving power saving will be a bit more difficult so we can expect that there will be a less longer life to the batteries but maybe can we we can think something smart about it yep there are some hybrid hybrid devices which incorporate a solar panel and rechargeable batteries okay so when you just leave the device in a in a light room it charges itself but you have to do nothing for it but but can we manage it bu for the costs m $12 50 maybe maybe not because it seems like a very and if we if we could inc include a c a cradle in which it could recharge i will have to find that out yes then there would not be a big problem so no that is very cheap cause when is a cradle very cheap it is 0 it is very cheap that is no problem it is just a a case with 2 metal contacts i know b but there should be an adapter as well it is yes but they are they are mass production yeah they are very cheap so it will cost us p practically nothing okay okay we we have about 10 minutes left this meeting i would like to hear maybe maybe you all have th things not spoken about yeah but that are important ruud you you came up with the voice recognition data are there other things about the market we should know i think we dealt with the most important information just that the younger part of the market is not the 40% we want to sell to so we we should for least a bit look at the older people but with buttons like that which are easy to use we might attract them too okay so okay i do not think that is a big problem yeah okay so although we are focussing on younger people to make it profitable yes profitable yeah profitable profitable we we yeah we still need to take in account the the bit older people yes okay 0 okay roo i have nothing nothing to add i think nothing to add sebastian i just want to make a summary of all all things spoken and the different possibilities yeah great so basically we have decided to implement a seemingly easy design so on the outside it looks easy but we can make it easy on the inside or elaborate on the inside so that is one the those are the choices we have to make but i think there is a big advantage in making it more elaborate by implementing speech techniques voice recognition that these kinds of things yeah it makes it also more attractable i think to our audience there are some advantages and some disadvantages and the main advantage is that we can implement fancy techniques which i think our customers will like the disadvantage is that there are some concerns about the the costs and the things like battery lifetime energy saving yep another advantage is that the circuit board will become much more easier if we do not do not implement these buttons if we just add a chip which does the voice recognition our circuit board will become even more cheap so that is another well it wa it w it was an issue but we also thought that we already thought we should do it as cheaply as possible yeah and that was the main issue right the the board yeah and this even makes it more cheapy so but the cheaper the ch the the chip or th what was it the board the circuit board the circuit board the fewer buttons you can use on it the fewer buttons you have the ch ch the cheaper the circuit board yes no it is th yeah yeah okay it is the other way around yeah yeah and it is very cheap to incorporate an integrated circuit a chip so that is that is another advantage it should not be a big issue well it then we should just take a look at the costs and especially for the voice recognition so yes because i do not know yes i d i really do not know so no it can be costly okay maybe not i am not sure how how we will f determine the costs i will have a look at it maybe you will get some information on that yes i am not sure how how that yes i al i i hope my personal coach will have a lo look at it yep okay great well i think we are qui quite done we are done i think for now we will have the lunch break how nice i am do not know how long the break will be but we will find out me neither then we will have 30 minutes of time to perform our individual work and i am sure your personal coaches will assist you with it i will put the minutes i just made in the project documents folder if you want to look at it well just do the interface designer i would like to the next meeting i would like to receive the components concept roo from you i would like to see interface industrial i am sorry yeah i am sorry yeah user interface designer roo i would like to see the user interface c concept well we understand and the only problem is it that it depends on the divisions the decis decisions sebastian makes well about the voice recognition well i it should be easy that is w w what we concluded well it should be an easy interface with not so much buttons yes yeah s just a a p a p a volume and a program one and yeah some some fancy lights i think that is what we decided so we drop the voice recognition no no no we did not but it should not be integrated yeah it is of course it is user interface or 0 but i i was talking about really the design of the okay well do we really have to decide now or can we decide next meeting no we can decide the next meeting okay yep because i will have some updated info on that yeah i guess all of you have i updated info i am sure the marketing expert will receive t you will do some trend watching yep and i am sure the market will will change adapt and so we will see that adapt adapt left yeah that is it for now that is it kay any other questions or can we have the lunch we can have the lunch yeah yeah okay i will take the lunch good
welcome back hello let me see there is one of mine ruh welcome back welcome back hello flores the waiting is for sebastian 0 there he is is there a little time for a cup of coffee i opened the cedar rum box can i get a cup of coffee no okay you can not sorry so i just cancel it well during my work i have no time either so well this is live sorry erdo yeah i opened the cd rom box okay accidentally okay that is all right people welcome back with the 2nd meeting for now on the schedule are a few points 1st of all the opening which we are doing now 2nd i received some new project requirements i am not sure if you receive them as well but i will tell you about it then the 3 of you prepared the presentation i think sebastian i think so too ruh yeah rude almost okay then we will do your one as the last the top goal of this you can upload your presentation from here i believe we will figure that out okay can you try to if it is wireless i could just wireless i can just see i do not think it is wireless it is it is yeah okay great the top goal of this meeting is to reach a decision on the product on the targets group and the functions of the remote control so keep that in mind we have 40 minutes so it is now yeah okay the new project requirements project requirements 1st of all we did not speak about it but we should not support teletext in the remote because our board feels that teletext is out of date and the internet is replacing teletext so we are not even going to try to implement it in our product it is a board decision remote control should only be used for television because it is not feasible it is not we cannot make it because of the time to market that we have to deal with the 3rd requirement is that we should focus on customers that are younger than 40 which is important for you ruth and as well for ruhl because the product should be interesting and should be bought by people younger than 40 then for rule as well important the corporate image should be recognizable in our product so the colors and the slogan do have to be in the product yes is that clear any questions on these requirements no okay the individual presentations ruhl or sebastian who would like to start yeah i will start yeah okay great how can i geez and show yes all right well we were discussed already in the previous discussion the method of the remote control is just the function of remote control is basically to send messages to the television set so that was the main important thing what the remote control should do then i found 2 different kind of remote controls the multi function remote control with many possibilities but the lack of the feeling i already mentioned in the previous discussion and the ease of use remote control with the less possibilities but a great feeling in touching the buttons yeah but yeah my personal preference were in the buttons ease of the use remote control because the user friendliness and it can be more trendy in user design but your new goal was for people then less than 40 years old so maybe the multi function can be implemented in in our design but it should i think it should be a combination but teletext buttons are not in our design so it should take out well 8 buttons or so but in my opinion the easy to use rc is the best possibility for us okay ruth did you get that yeah most okay so the important thing here is and it is also indeed a insight in the topic in the market yeah yeah what does the market want i i do not know yeah okay we just for use these user friendliness i should choose for the ease of use remote control yeah okay so justian okay okay excuse me cool see okay it is still the right thing okay well there are some changes in the design requirements so there are some changes in the method also basically all this device has to do is send messages to a tv set and the most easy way to do this is by sending pulses of infrared light to a tv set well i have tried to implement a picture here but it is hardly readable can you see it no it is not visible there is an energy source here and basically it is connected to 3 things a user interface connected to a chip which is connected to the sender which generates messages using infrared light which are sent to the receiver that is basically the idea and there is a little picture just for your imagination how a device like this should look or can look okay what have i found usually these kind of things consist of a battery infrared diode buttons chips and circuit boards that is all it is case together nothing more than that it is almost every piece of equipment every tv set is controlled infrared there are some exceptions but most of all have infrared controls and the more luxury remote controls have lit them buttons and i think that is glow and dark concept and it is a little bit more fancy also so maybe we should consider that okay okay i have a basic scheme of the things which are implemented basically this is all there is there is just one chip there are a few buttons connected the buttons are lit and the whole thing is transmitted by an infrared diode and there is not a power source here so that is basically the total design of this piece of equipment so it is fairly easy it is fairly easy it has been done many times before i think we should succeed in our plan to do this okay good okay so personally i think we should use infrared because otherwise our device cannot communicate with almost every tv set so i think that should be clear another important point is we really should use energy sparse friendly components there are especially designed energy energy friendly components which consume far less power than conventional components and if we want to use rechargeable design or energy safety design we should really implement them for cost effectiveness we should really use a very low cost circuit board because most of the production costs are in this part of the equipment okay the money we save when using this we can use for elaborate fancy lighting techniques blinking leds and all that kind of fancy stuff i think our users will really like that and what is the if we use the lead does it use much more energy no the power friendly leds also so we can use them so that is no problem for the same costs they are a little bit more expensive but by combining with the low cost circuit boards we can make it i think you could only lit the buttons that are used most so the channel switching yeah yeah but the question is whether 2 or 4 buttons makes such a difference in the costs if you already plan to include fancy lightning techniques i guess yeah i think it is the same as in the cell phone just one light in the device that shines on all the buttons all the buttons and that is not one light there are more less in yeah but not for each button no and another that is right that is right okay so well this should be it okay think about it yeah okay root mine is already outdated okay well we are we are very curious to what the market will feel about such a product so any income is welcome input well then i am sure that the target market is 10000000 units of which we should sell about 40% to make the 5000000 could you just have a little bit more to the right but since the other part is 40% of the market i thought we might want to constrain that portion of the market but since the requirements changed that is not a good idea well skip this yeah well this is true of course they only use 10% of the buttons the buttons to zap are used about 1500 times 1500 times when the power button is only used one time and the volume button only 4 times so they are obviously the most important button and lots of people complain that they can not find their remote control so we might want to build in a feature to support them some audio signal like home phones well that is interesting a finding function yeah that is definitely interesting yes it separates her product from others as well okay go on well i just said that and this is obvious and he also said it okay so that is what the market tells us that is about it yeah okay volume and the z buttons are mostly used zep buttons most volume they are used a lot but more than all the other buttons just have a design perfect design for only those buttons yes in 1st we should focus on that i guess yeah well the technical i think there are no technical difficulties there is no elaborate technique used in this kind of equipment so i do not think we have any hiccups there so we can fully concentrate on developing a product that is really what the market needs what the market needs so maybe it is a good idea to think about these buttons and the sound signal and the sound signal from where do you execute the sound another device is another solution well maybe it should be like clapping in your hands like turning on and off the light maybe you will get some new devices who incorporate this technical ready there are video sets and they have a special button the find the remote control button you press it and your tv set starts to make a kind of weird sound and your remote controls then start to beep report response to it just like that is it the phones the same thing but the fees do not have all no so we should use something else yeah because we do not have a home we do not control the tv sets so even if the tv set would have such a button you would have to walk to your tv and we want it to make it as easy as possible for our customers so what about the clapping technique i am convinced sebastian will find one solution for us it is quite complicated because how can you separate the clapping sound from other sounds well you see it a lot in light lightning well basically the karysterex characteristics of clapping is just an increase in the volume the amplitude which is generated a few times within a certain period of time but there are many other sounds which are exactly the same from the point of view from remote control if you be watching a movie it would constantly beep yeah that is true so we do not want to we can have just a home station of a base station next to the tv just a little antenna or something something like that well if you love something i do not think people would bother walking to the tv and press that button i do not think because they lost the remote the most important thing for people is that there is a central point to which they can go and perform some kind of humbling and then the remote control reports itself so we should use have we should use something like that you do not want another device which can be everywhere in the house which you have to find 1st before you can find your remote control just a base station next to the tv or something like that but that will be very costly i think yeah maybe we we do agree on the thing that the remote should have such a function if it is possible within the costs and all that kind of things maybe sebastian should have a detailed look later on and come up with the solution because that hits his field of expertise yes but before i do it i want to warn you that by implementing this kind of a function the technical design will become more complicated and it will become more costly also because there will be additional components which will be used and there are some and do we even prefer the sound of the sound above the leds the lightning i think so because when you have a newspaper over your remote control item you cannot see it yeah it is a distinction in the market it is a different exactly it is a unique feature and i think it is worth looking and and probably more interesting than the light just about the user interface i come up with an easy remote control and an advanced remote control what should we choose in design yeah well according to rute people do not use all the extra functions very very often so i have the numbers right here okay well we will not support teletext which was the 3rd most the 2nd most used function okay well we do have a wise board so i am not questioning that yeah channel selection is obviously the most important yeah okay so on the relevant scale the channel selection the volume selection and the teletext well we skip that so just the basic functions and we do not have to use it for dvd players and all kind of stuff kind of stuff no so that is out of the question yeah just for the easy design i think we should go for the easy we can make a nice design when they are not much of buttons in it well we should save costs by not implementing a lot of functions and the money that we can save from that we should use for having a nice design and thinking about the user interface okay ruth how do you feel about that do you agree do you think the market would respond to a simple well if we include other innovative functions then they might because young people like new features yeah yeah that is right okay so this is kind of a just a few buttons trendy design nice lightning effects okay well maybe there is another possibility you can make it look like an easy piece of equipment but it is quite elaborated because it has many functions yeah maybe it is more important to make make it look like very friendly easy to catch piece of equipment but but are we not in the in the manual i mean if you have few buttons no display i mean i guess it is it is working with with shift functions and one button can like that well i was more thinking about a more elaborate way of controlling by these kinds of sticks or something like that i do not know if it is user friendly that is your feel of expertise yeah i do not know yet how does the remote reports give back to the user in what state it is because we do not implement a user display but there is no way to do that because we cannot implement it that kind of the system i know but if we use like a stick for example well maybe we can use the lights for that when you move the stick to a position maybe a light next to it can lit up so you know i have just pushed the button or change the channel or tuned up the volume something like that and if you use that stick for volume control and channel selection you have the 2 most important functions yeah and we could have other buttons for the advanced functions instead of the stick like many cell phones just around well should we just use yeah draw it on the board it is already 0 we have a blank 0 yeah 0 yeah something like that like that it is not really easy a way of a round button which can be pushed in 4 directions instead of a stick a stick is vulnerable yeah when it can break down or just around the button should be the track i think yes and this also looks more fancy i think i think it it will attract more public i think with jordan marketing man and it is also quite easy to use so it will attract young people because of new and it might attract all the people because it is easy to use geez well volume and something like that program up and down okay yeah and the pen does not really does what i want okay that is good okay but we still we are still in the question of putting in advanced options it just told us the market is interested in some advanced new techniques however keeping it simple is important for the costs and all those kind of things we need to find a balance between the advanced techniques and the user friendliness but i think our next step to look at is just that so i do not think it is we have something to do we can discuss it right now because no one of us has the information to discuss about that well we do have to decide this meeting yes we need to have the user functions other functions decided and our target audience okay but teletext is just do you want a list of functions do you want an explicit list which incorporates all functions available on a device well i do not want a full it is not necessary to have a full list but i want the kind of functions for example the most important are volume and program selecting the 10 digits well for example that is what we should think about really how is the remote going to look not in the user interface but the program to program button the switch to channels when you have something on channel 4 and something on channel 6 just one button which can a bit of a split mode like yeah yeah dual channel watch yes yeah okay well maybe i should write that down well good secretary ruth what is your last name mewson mewson because i was writing it down in the last mewson right i put all the minutes i make into the shared folder so if you want to have a look at it you know where to find it make a subfold for it because it is starting to fill up already yeah that is if you want to do it sebastian rbscw guru okay okay so so volume program dual channel yes that is important and do we want 10 digits yeah i believe are you sure if you want to go to channel 90 and you only have that button yeah wow that is complicated but is that so relevant because i do not think but you should i would not buy it personally if it remote control without the 10 digits okay i can imagine i think the most i agree actually i can imagine when you have a satellite decoder and you have well about 600 channels i can imagine you want this but if you are a regular tv user and you just want to watch the dutch television networks well you can use about 10 buttons but we do have 13 different dutch channels yeah all the people only do you watch all these channels often the younger audience they will probably watch more channels than the older people so you are probably right yeah okay but i think these 10 buttons look a bit dull do not you think well it depends on the looks on the okay well then there should be should be done something specifically you can make them very fancy by i mean nokia they have 10 digits on their phones and it still looks very fancy so i do not agree okay so you can explain okay so you can experiment with shape or with size or with color exactly exactly there are some numbers about speech recognition here that younger people would like it it might be expensive and hard to implement but it would be a solution okay speech well maybe it can be combined with the find the remote control so when you add speech recognition to your your remote control it is very easy to change the channel yeah that is one thing and it is very easy to find your remote control yeah so maybe that is a possibility but i am afraid it will be a bit costly yeah but maybe when we if we would drop the 10 digits but keep the program in the volume because maybe people do not always want to use their voice okay especially other people do not like voice recognition so we should implement such a boss yeah but we do focus on younger people it is a board decision i think it should work we should manage it so we have to make a decision between the 10 digits or the voice recognition yes well the voice recognition has the main advantage has another advantage it makes it very easy for us to implement the find a remote control remote control button remote control function so that is a big advantage i think okay good okay there is only one disadvantage there is only one disadvantage by implementing this the power saving will be a bit more difficult so we can expect that there will be a less longer life to the batteries but maybe we can we can think something smart about it there are some hybrid hybrid devices which incorporate a solar panel and rechargeable batteries okay so when you just leave the device in a in a light room it charges itself you have to do nothing can we manage it for the cost because it seems like a very maybe maybe not i will have to find a that include a cradle in which it could recharge yes so that would not be a big problem no that is very cheap is a cradle very cheap 0 it is very cheap there is no problem it is just a case with 2 metal contacts i know but there should be an adapter as well yes but they are mass production they are very cheap okay it will cost us practically nothing okay we have about 10 minutes left this meeting i would like to hear maybe you all have things not spoken about yet that are important you came up with the voice recognition data are there other things about the market we should know i think we dealt with the most important information just that the younger part of the market is not the 40% we want to sell to so we should for at least a bit look at the older people but with buttons like that which are easy to use we might attract them to so i think that is a big problem okay so although we are focusing on younger people to make it profitable we still need to take an account the bit older people yes okay okay rule i have nothing to add nothing to add sebastian i just want to make a summary of all things spoken and the different possibilities so basically we have decided to implement a seemingly easy design so on the outside it looks easy but we can make it easy on the inside or elaborate on the inside so that is one of the choices we have to make but i think there is a big advantage in making it more elaborate by implementing speech techniques voice recognition these kinds of things it makes it also more attractable i think to our audience there are some advantages and some disadvantages and the main advantages that we can implement fancy techniques which i think our customers will like the disadvantage is that there are some concerns about the costs and things like battery lifetime energy saving another advantage is that the circuit board will become much more easier if we do not implement these buttons if we just add a chip which does the voice recognition our circuit board will become even more cheap yeah and that was the main issue right well it was an issue but we also thought that we already thought we should do it as cheaply as possible yeah and this even makes it more cheapy but the cheaper the chip or the circuit board the fewer buttons you can use the fewer buttons you have the cheaper circuit board it is the other way around and it is very cheap to incorporate an integrated circuit a chip so that is another issue then we should just take a look at the costs and because i do not know especially for the voice recognition i really do not know so it can be costly maybe not i am not sure how i will determine the costs i will have a look at it maybe you will get some information on that yes i am not sure how that i hope my personal coach will have a look at it okay great well i think we are quite done quite done for now we will have the lunch break 0 nice i do not know how long the break will be but we will find out then we will have 30 minutes of time to perform our individual work and i am sure your personal coaches will assist you with it i will put the minutes i just made in the project documents folder if you want to look at it well just do the interface designer i would like to the next meeting i would like to receive the components concept rule from you i would like to see i am sorry yeah i am sorry user interface designer rule i would like to see the user interface concept and yeah the only problem is that it depends on the different the decisions the decisions sebastian makes about the force recognition it should be easy that is what we concluded it should be an easy interface with not so much buttons just a volume and the program one and yeah some fancy lights i think that is what we decided so we dropped the voice recognition no no no we did not but it should not be integrated yeah it is of course it is used of course it is user interface but i was talking about really the design of the well do we really have to decide now or can we decide the next meeting we can decide the next meeting okay yeah because i will have some updated info on that yeah i guess all of you have updated info i am sure the marketing expert will receive that you will do some trend watching and i am sure the market will the market will adapt and adapt and so we will see that yeah that is it for now okay any other questions or can we have the lunch we can have the lunch yeah okay good but i am