do you need to change anything on it because otherwise i will already open it do not think so okay unless things have suddenly change again is it much changes do not know maybe you have got new information like last time i did not no no i do hot have only the same information okay hello sebastian hello hello mister p m i believe miss tentel is with us as well in the control room well that is where the thinking goes on 0 it is that roo again always late bongiorno bongiorno i think you should punish him you are the p m punish i see some interesting okay possibilities yeah you wish people welcome back welcome the 3rd meeting oop i have some points i would like to some some issues i would like to point out 1st of all if you make minutes yourself as well like sebastian does could you put them on the shared folder if you do not make minutes no problem but it is easy for me to see what you wrote down yeah so i could can use that in the in the report the 2nd thing i was th s thinking to myself i have this little remote control and i am talking to it but i still need to point to the television because it works with infrared that is quite strange yes okay so we will come to that later i g i think the agenda for now are there any pre discussion questions no not at all no okay we wi we will have your individual presentations then the decision on the remote control concept and the closing 40 minutes in total for this so i think we we can immedis immediately start with the individual presentations the progress you have made okay i think it might be smart to look at ruud is information 1st because i understood there are some significant changes in the market situation kay alright 0 just press the okay button it works yeah okay yeah yeah yeah my method how surprising well findings ease of use is important but innovation is more important and a fancy look and feel is even more important and some fashion watchers have found out that the young target group likes fruit and vegetables in their clothes shoes and furniture and that they want spongy material probably watch too much sponge bob the older group still prefers dark colors simple shapes m material but we since we are concentrating on the younger group w wait a sec wait a se could you go to the previous slide 0 wait wait up because i am taking minutes and it kay were the important themes enclose yeah okay the feel of to be spongy so do you think when fruit and vegetables are important for clothing and shoes that they are in remote controls also well one example given was this so i assume they just want something colorful not specifically an apple as a remote control or something not something dull okay but they like dark colors you said in the p no the younger group likes more colorful okay objects well then i suggest that the corporate colors are gray and yellow but i had but can you can you go back to that slide the just one slide back no no no which one this yes okay and the feel of the material has to be spongy yes has it something to do with that natural feeling also do you think well it might but personally i would not like a sponge as a remote control but maybe soft material or something but not a real sponge okay so so yeah it might not be t it it should not be too hard it it maybe it rubber or or yeah yeah exactly okay yeah and like the older group likes familiar materials but that does not mean we should use wood or we could make 0 so okay well this this is an example of what they would like but since we are conten concentrating on the younger group i think we should use soft materials and make it colorful or like cell phones exch exchangeable covers yeah so we could provide both for the young and the old what they like well that is interesting it is quite interesting you could make a few v very colorful ones and a very traditional co cover yeah 00 yes i am thinking about the bananarama telephone telephone from siemens the yellow rubber telephone yeah yeah it is the it is the rubber yeah it is it is i yeah cover and it is colorful it looks likes a banana yeah we have the fruit we have the colors do you know the phone we have the simple design i do not know the phone but i can imagine it it is the siemens c 25 i believe it is it is the one the post bank gave away the very 35 0 that one yes and the b the light blue and it is also in yellow now i kn 0 i know i know yes i i have seen it i have seen it you kn you know ruud as well about th i have seen it but okay okay okay do you have thit that was okay kay that is about it okay so the the m important findings are innovation is more important than ease of use for the our target group yes and coloring is important and and soft materials soft material okay so so ease of use is important but technology is twice as important and what was even more important the fancy look and feel okay so that is the most important thing for our customers yes apparently okay roo yeah could you do your presentation well i do not ha really have much to add because most of things we already said in the previous discussion okay well it is good to to sum up the things we already thought about the previous ideas were voice recognition and the round button for the p channel programming and volume well a few interface i i found on the internet are are these these are both with with voice recognition but they are very advanced and very high tech and just well a weird shape shape so i suggest i could not i had a small mock up sign on the on paper but it did not work my pen did not load the information so i made a really simple f a shape on in powerpoint but we could make a round an oval remote control but it is it is kind of it is kind of 0 organic so that is very good yellow yeah yeah and what i am thinking about maybe we should make very light but a grip i mean this is how you hold a remote control yes it should not be too glatt too slippery s because slippery but if you have something like the siemens phone it is rubber you have to grab it yeah so it is easy in your hand indeed yeah exactly yeah yes there are there are also remote controls who have a little shape underneath where you can put your fingers in yeah ex for your fingers yeah so you can get a really good grip on it yeah so you you do not have to attain much pressure to it it is it is a lot easier yeah so m it grips automatically yes yeah okay but i will i will go into that deeper in my presentation okay good great 0 and to add on ruud is information in this interface we can have high tech with the voice recognition and well the the fancy colors and and so on and still have the ease of use because we have an easy interface and all the other remote controls are high tech in buttons and and so on yeah way too much i think for our goal yeah yeah so if you have the voice recognition you can you can program like 30 okay b but i think we will yeah 30 c controls on it okay but i will i will go into that because there are are some possibilities and some impossibilities i had a talk with our manufacturing division and we had a talk about all the different components who are in this design these are the things we have looked at and of course i used the web to find my information about the casing we have 3 different casing possibilities we have the uncurved or flat case that is the most common remote con control form we are used to is just a it ju it is just a box i am sorry i i do not have any pictures of of this thing we have a curved one it is curved in 2 dimensions you have to imagine it is a bit like a wave form so it is a little more advanced in its in its shape okay and we have an even more advanced shape which is curved in 3 dimension i c i think you can compare it a little bit with the big gray image you had in your presentation yeah the the big remote control something like that right but it is quite advanced and it is it is quite daring to to use i think for these casings we have different types of finishing we can use plastic which is very slippery and maybe not so nice but you can give it any color which is the same for rubber but it is not slippery we can use wood and titanium well we cannot use the titanium on the double curve cases and these latex cases there is there is just the plastic ones will not allow the use of solar cells as an energy source source which brings me to the different energy sources well we even seem to have hand dyn dynamos for powering our remote controls you really have to imagine like winding up your i d great well it would be very new to the market but it would be very new but it is a kind of a retro style i think yeah well this is quite interesting there is there is also a kinetic energy supply so when you are watching t v or when you are you you have to make some kind of energy kinetic energy by shaking the remote or throwing it against the wall like the watch whatever you wish it have it it has to move that is the the sense of it and you can store the energy in the in the thing i think if if i can hook on to that the kinetic thing is very funny it is very funny indeed i mean solar is of course it is nice but it is well your your calculator has a solar panel indeed hand dynamo but if you are watching a movie how many times you take the the remote control and and if if you have a watch well maybe m you have the kinetic idea in a watch also yeah i know you you walk and but you you are sitting on a couch yes yeah but you know you know from your own watch your watch uses a minimal con it consumes a minimal amount of energy the the shaking of your body which is almost every activity makes your body shake it charges it but the problem here is that it it supplies a a very little amount of kinetic energy so i think you have a problem when you are watching a movie and you have not moved the remote i remote control in a in an amount of time yeah and wha and you want t to switch the channel or something well m it might not work so that is something you have to keep in mind okay so but maybe maybe there is a possibility com to combine it with m traditional batteries so we can save on the batteries and when there is enough kinet kinetic energy use the kinetic energy and otherwise use the batteries yeah okay because i guess the voice recognition feature u consumes quite a f a lot of power yes it does yeah i will come to that later okay and we of course have the traditional solar power which is just a piece of material on the remote control which transfers light energy into electricity the user interface controls of course we have the push buttons and we also have scroll wheels and these scroll wheels can also be integrated with buttons so it is just like a mouse you can scroll em you can also push it in the indicators we have the l c d displays which means you can watch in a display w which channel you have chosen or something like that of the li amount of volume which is currently and we also have double scroll buttons which are just 2 of these things so we do not really have the the kind of button we had in mind in our in our last meeting the the thing with the the round with the 4 0 we can just make 4 push buttons in a form of a round yes that is possible too yes but i th i do not think the scroll wheels i had some i had some information about it too i do not think there is any possibility for us to use scroll wheels well i d i can not see any scenario where you would use a scroll wheel with a button on it well mayb well m me neither maybe when you integrate some functions this will be the remote right yeah with maybe a channel selector what about integrating a scroll bar on this side yeah that is a possibility but it is do it is done before because this is how you keep it yes but flores it is quite quite good yes think about a scenario where y where you would use the scroll button for volume well it is it well i what he means is there is an button integrated in the scroll wheel a volume okay there is no scenario where you use the button in the scroll wheel you just use the wheel well what about mute about mute well yes thi i i m i guess th this is my volume button okay yes and i can either on this side or this side well okay well that that that is one possibility okay and click it to muten the device well okay and and it makes it different from the traditional devices on this market it is quite goods so i am looking for a way to make it a little different than the traditional ones yes so maybe i guess that that is something you 2 need to think about yeah ruud wha what do you thing about a scroll bar scroll wheel wheel well it is obvious obviously new so it might attract the young customers okay but it is done before there are many other devices like telephones and our radio pocket radios we use this yeah and well it is it has been done years ago and i do not see it anywhere now so maybe it is not no well all the sony telephones use it for example for volume nokia has a well okay it is not really a scroll wheel but on their side th the the volume button is on the side because you gri grab it like this yes but it uses 2 separate buttons yeah i know it is not really a scroll wheel it does not use a no yeah well something for roo here for you too yeah yeah i believe if you have what we have earlier said the grip places in in the remote control you have your hand on one place on the remote control so you have to place all the buttons in a range of your thumb wi within reach yes you have to so in that case the volume button on the side of the remote control would be perfect yes yes yeah yeah okay okay sebastian okay we have to know if you want to use these rubber double curved c case you must use these push push buttons there is no way you can integrate l c d displays there is no way you can integrate scroll wheels because it is all curved there is there are no flat areas where you can incorporate these things yeah so that is a limitation about the components just the hardware we basically have 3 types of chips we can use and these chips incorporate all the logica and hardware that is needed to send to send a signal we have a simple regular and advanced chip and there is something like a sample sensor and sample speaker which is a little cryptic to me but i think that is the the voice recognition thing that we are thinking about yeah yeah you can i have some information about it in the voice recognition you say a word you can program words like v volume up okay okay so so okay of mute let us say mute you program it you m mute and you g you give an an action to it that that is really the mute function and when you speak in the the remote control yeah it repeats your saying so that is the sample sensor okay so if you say mute it says mute again and then it is well i believe it is it performs the action yeah and then he he repeats its action what which he believes it is yeah okay so you say mute he repeats mute and you makes a computer sound mute and then goes to the mute function yeah okay okay so that is basically the the voice recognition item we were searching for okay this sample sensor requires an regular chip i thought no op i am not very sure no it is not in here if we want to use the l c d display we really need the advanced version which is a bit l little bit more costly if we want to use the scroll wheels we need the regular version and if we do not want to use any of these more advanced functions we can keep with the simple chip which is a bit cheaper okay well d did we already decide on the display okay no but i think that is something for roo here to yeah to think about well i do not have i have not looked for for information about it but i do not think information y i do not think you need it on a display no especially when when we have to look at a cost i i do not think either i do not think cause all any t v can can view a digit on on screen yeah no i do not think you need it on screen display yeah okay okay th okay well my conclusion unfortunately the market has decided the a little other than i thought i thought the market would like a sort m sort of titanium casing but they seem to like natural stuff so maybe we should think about wood finish i have chosen the more battery with solar cell solution for the energy it is more reliable it is cheaper okay so i do not think we should use the dynamo thing good kineti okay the kinetic thing it it is it is a possibility it is it is more advanced but i am i think you should combine it with batteries okay it is maybe a bit too too flashy too yeah otherwise it will not too advanced well it is in in in some way it can give us an advance because you will save on your batteries but yeah but that that is the same with the solar cell yes that is no different and i think it is more robust it is more yeah okay but what about the markets it is more functional wants colourfuls designs so if you use titanium no no but the that is what sebastian said the titanium thing he said this is what this is my personal preference we have to skip it okay but but yet i understood that the market is different 0 sorry yeah so i think we should skip the titanium stuff and we should use wood or something like that so yeah and yeah the yeah the older people liked wood and i would think no r rubber with colors 0 okay sorry so it it needs to be rubber no the colorful and yeah the younger people liked soft material okay okay spongy materials yeah yeah okay well these scroll wheels i think they they can be they can be handy so and they can be implemented with a regular chip yes they can but they really need the regular chip you cannot use the sa simple okay but we also we already need the regular chip for the sample sensor speaker 0 evalu well i am not very sure maybe that is an a different but but do we want the curved design or i think so if you if you stick with the the simple straight forward not curve design i it is too dull i it is too dull yeah yeah i do not think c our customers will like it and if you take the double curved then you cannot you can only use the rubber buttons and you cannot use the scroll wheels yeah so i think this is the best of 2 worlds okay okay okay what about the issue i addressed at the beginning of the meeting the voice function w with the infrared issue yes because it it is of cour it is it is i i can imagine it is very dull to talk to a device w if you have to point to another device yeah it is very unlogical but most infrared remote controls do not have to be pointed at all well the there has to be some pointing at well but it depends also on your on your well if you if you take your hand before it okay it will not work but you can point it just to the other wall well it depends on your walls actually if you have have smooth walls it it it probably you are probably right yeah but if you have carpets on the wall which our natural loving friends probably do have all lights get absorbed yeah then yeah th th it might be a bit more of a issue yes because the walls they they reflect the infrared light so yeah so it has an it is easier i suggest we use the the sensor sample the sample sensor and sample speaker with a with a regular chip and the regular chip i think it gives us the advantage of and and the scroll scroll wheels yes yes yeah i like the scroll wheels idea and skip and skip the l c d part yeah i do not think it it is any value added thing no so think so too well it looks yeah well according to ruud the the the market likes new flashy technology okay technology and i mean l c d is well ok i know but it is m it is less s standard than than yes it is not very flashy and new standard well we are not very w we do not know much about the the f the financial part that is the problem because if we do have enough space in in our finance i would say do integrate it because it it adds a little ext extra high tech feeling to it yes but we already have the scroll wheels the sp the speaker the speak recognition the rubber yeah i think our customers will go insane the fancy colors okay okay it is it is too much yeah okay i i agree i think i ruud do you have any anything you would like to add or or maybe thoughts or nah n no i do not think so m no sebast nee roo roo do you have any other no nothing more nothing more okay the n the next phase will be sebas the not the what is the next phase f flores well we we need to describe decisions now okay so on the energy well we decided so i okay chip okay the case rubber with c 111 curve okay okay user interface but can not scroll wheels work with 11 curved case yes they can work yeah okay sorry yeah they cannot work with double curved 0 sorry that is that is problem yeah i will check it for you then the corporate identity should be in the product i guess that is something for roo and sebastian you talked about it before the colors gray and yellow yeah keep it in mind and the buttons well we talked about it now the next phase sebastian is the design of the look and feel yes the user interface design and for you the product evaluation i am sure your personal coach will give you more information on that and the i d and the u i d need to work together on the prototype drawing on the smartboard okay and i am going to plan my holidays okay so you will be on the bahamas the project drawing is for the next yeah it is it is when we come back in 30 minutes you will have a prototype ready yeah right okay so can you give us a summary of all decisions we have made yeah i can maybe one of you could write it down i will do great you you need to help me okay w start with the casing the casing is curved single curved single curved okay single curved case okay what about the energy source traditional batteries and solar but can there be wor can they work together or do we have to choose between them cause if we have to choose yeah no they can be complementary i i think they can al al i yes okay well what if not every device it it should be there should be really no problem they can be supplementary okay that is no problem yeah so okay th so just the energy source is the batteries and the solar battery and solar yeah okay what about the finishing of the case we have decided we wanted to use the rubber yeah with colorful rubber yeah if it is possible with different covers but i am not sure if our suppliers can can help us with with such a wish okay and i think we should use the company colors something like black and red black and yellow gray and yellow or black and yellow gray and yellow gray yellow okay yeah yellow case and gray buttons i think yeah although i do not think that is very colorful except for the yellow of course but i could think of a more attractive c set of colors 0 i think it is it is not very dull it is quite modern actually do not you think well i was more thinking about the fruit colors that the ruud showed us before i believe the but you have already you must have a red on and off button and well it it does not have to be red well well i mean th i think these colors are really what our young people are looking for so maybe it should not even be 2 colors it should be a full color cover with such an image or or i mean thinking in 2 colors is is too black and white for our m c market group okay i guess or black and yellow black and yellow yeah okay but i am afraid it is not possible to print a picture on the device because i agree it would be nice to have have something like that on the device itself but well there is just a week ago a keyboard manufacturer would print with and 0 i have read yeah yes yes but our manufacturing department is not so advanced in its techniques no they are actually very slow in its techniques okay so we have to deal with wh what is possible here so so i am afraid it is not possible yeah okay more f more more decisions we made a scroll wheel the scroll heel yes the voice recognition we already decided voice recognition of course okay so scroll wheel but there will be some additional buttons i guess yeah and th the they should be spongy also because they are they are rubber too i am going to leave that up to you 2 what what did you say well you can use well when you use the buttons they will they will be made of rubber too so it has th the spongy feel also yeah yeah so i i think that is okay yeah or you could use plastic buttons in the rubber i think rubber is nice because it i i mean what do you touch the button and what do they want spongy devices or or i yeah b but then you just have the the fact that the drawings on the buttons will disappear eventually what i said in the in the 1st discussion the digit 6 on the button it will disappear when it is from rubber is that does our our supplier say so it is not something it is no information i read about it or so but it is just from did not did we inc include the digi digits or leave them to the speech recognition no but but it cause things like volume could be placed next to the button yeah you could place a this this would be the button there the icons the scroll wheel i mean yeah b yeah and you could place the indica th th the signals the yes so you do not touch the icons that much that is okay yeah that is possible but then you have still the images on the rubber of the case so still then if you feel li if you feel your remote control you just rub on the cover so you rub on the painting no no there is no painting only yellow or yeah but it is into the rubber yeah but but the the plus or the minus yes the signs you have to draw the yeah but this is on the pla yeah i know yeah it is on the cover i think i know which you understand af i know what you mean so if you you just move the problem what about making this rubber and making this plastic i see what you mean well maybe that is possible because our manufacturing division also offers plastic finishing so maybe they can combine these 2 yeah well actually we should have it the other way around i guess a plastic cover with rubber finishing i mean this is this is the finishing this is what is on the edge what you feel yeah but the front on which the the buttons are does not have to be rubber i mean well i am i am not so sure i think it c should be y can you separate these these well i am not sure i have to ask with manufacturing but i am i am not sure that is what you want because our customers specifically ask for the spongy feel and that is what you get with rubber so if you want the spongy feel you need to make these buttons all all of rubber i know but do you touch this or do you touch this i think both i mean i i never touch between the buttons i do i do or the s the sideways i think or the the back yeah the side exactly the sideways or the back the side but do you touch between the the these buttons i think yes especially when there are l a few buttons on it you have a lot of space to touch so you just have it in your hand completely or or i you play with it okay well we do not have very much time left i guess you 2 have to figure that out yeah i am going to leave the decision to you because you have to make its prototype and yeah y you have the most knowledge about the suppliers the possibilities and so i am going to leave it the decision with you okay yeah sebastian did you write enough decisions down not quite what about the chips we use the regular chip regular okay yeah and use with well no i think that is about it yes okay with those regular chips we can still control advanced functions the chip is is not really the only difference between the advanced and the regular version is that the advanced version of the chip supports l c d okay well that is all and we have decided not to use l c d yeah so okay okay then i think we are quite finished i will see you guys in 30 minutes and for the finishing touch yeah okay yeah if you write wrote anything down could you put it on the shared folder okay yeah yeah but sebastian has everything i know but well i will put it online great right
do you need to change anything on it because otherwise i will already open it i do not think so unless things have suddenly changed again much changes i do not know maybe i did not know that like last time only the same information i am okay hello sebastian hello hello mister p n i believe ms tentel is with us as well in the control room well that is where the thinking goes on 0 it is the rule again always late bonjourno i think you should punish him i see some interesting okay you wish people welcome back welcome the 3rd meeting i have some points i would like to some issues i would like to point out 1st of all if you make minutes yourself as well like to like sebastian does could you put them on the shared folder if you do not make minutes no problem but it is easy for me to see what you wrote down so i can use that in the report the 2nd thing i was thinking to myself i have this little remote control and i am talking to it but i still need to point to the television because it works with infrared that is quite strange yes okay so we will come to that later i think the agenda for now are there any pre discussion questions not at all okay we will have your individual presentation individual presentations then the decision on the remote control concept and the closing 40 minutes in total for this so i think we can immediately immediately start with the individual presentations okay the progress you made i think it might be smart to look at roots information 1st because i understood there are some significant changes in the market situation all right well just press the ok button yeah ok ok ok ok ok yeah my method how surprising well findings ease of use is important but innovation is more important and a fancy look and feel is even more important and some fashion watchers found out that the young target group likes fruit and vegetables vegetables in their clothes shoes and furniture and that they want spongy material probably watch too much sponge ball the older group still prefers dark colors simple shapes familiar in material but since we are concentrating on the younger wait a 2nd wait a 2nd could you go to the previous slide because i am taking minutes and okay will be important themes in clothes okay the feel of the measure is expected to be spongy so do you think when fruit and vegetables are important for clothing and shoes that they are in remote controls also well one example given was this so i assume they just want something colorful not just an apple as a remote control or something dark colors you said no the younger group likes more colorful okay well and i suggest the corporate colors are gray and yellow can you go back to that slide which one this this this one slide back no no okay and the feel of the material has to be spongy yes has that something to do with that natural feeling feeling also do you think well it might but personally i would like a sponge as a remote control maybe some soft material or something okay so yeah it might not be it should not be too hard it may be rubber or yeah exactly yeah okay and like the old group likes familiar materials but that does not mean we should use wood okay well this this is an example of what they would like but since we are concentrating on the young group i think we should use soft materials and make it colorful or like cell phones exchangeable covers yeah so we could provide both for the young and the old what they like well that is interesting it is quite interesting you can make a few very colorful ones and a very traditional cover i am thinking about the banana ramet telephone from siemens the yellow rubber yeah yeah it is the rubber cover yeah it is yeah and it is colorful it looks like a banana we have the fruit we have the colors we have the same design i do not know the phone it is the siemens c 25 i believe it is the one the postbank gave away 0 that one the very light blue 0 i know it is also in yellow yes i have seen it you know ruth as well i have seen it okay okay okay okay do you have more that is about it okay okay so the important findings are innovation is more important than ease of use for our target group and coloring is important and and soft materials so ease of use is important but technology is twice as important and what was even more important the fancy look and feel so that is the most important thing for our customers okay rule yeah could you do your presentation i do not really have much to add because most of the things we already said in the previous discussion okay well it is good to sum up the things we already thought about the previous ideas were voice recognition and the round button for the channel programming and volume well a few interfaces i found on the internet are these these are both with voice recognition but they are very advanced and very high tech and just well a weird shape so i suggested i could not i had a small mock up sign on the paper but it did not work but pen did not load the information so i made a really simple shape in the in powerpoint but we could make around an oval with remote control yellow it is kind of organic so that is very good yeah and what i am thinking about maybe we should make very light but a grip i mean this is how you hold a remote control yes it should not be too high flat to slippery slippery because yeah something like the cement phone yeah rubber yeah exactly easy in your hand yeah there are also remote controls who have a little shape underneath yeah you can put your fingers yeah you can get a really good grip on it so you you do not have to attain much pressure to it it is a lot yeah it grips automatically yes yeah okay i will go into that deeper in my presentation okay good great and to add on routz is information in this interface we can have high tech with the voice recognition and well the fancy colors and so on and still have the ease of use because we have an easy interface and all the other remote controls are high tech and buttons and way too much i think for our goal yeah so if you have the voice recognition you can you can program like 30 okay but i will go into that because there are some possibilities and some impossibilities i had a talk with our manufacturing division and we had a talk about all the different components who are in this design these are the things we have looked at and of course i use the web to find my information about casing we have 3 different casing possibilities we have the uncurved or flat case that is the most common remote control form we are used to it is just a box i am sorry i do not have any pictures of this thing we have a curved one it is curved in 2 dimensions you have to imagine it is a bit like a wave form so it is a little more advanced in its shape and we have an even more advanced shape which is curved in 3 dimensions i think you can compare it a little bit with the big gray image you had in your presentation the big remote control something but it is quite advanced and it is quite daring to use i think for these casings we have different types of finishing we can use plastic which is very slippery and maybe not so nice but you can give it any color which is the same for rubber but it is not slippery we can use wood and titanium well we cannot use the titanium on the double curve cases and these latex cases just the plastic ones will not allow the use of solar cells as an energy source which brings me to the different energy sources well we even seem to have hand dynamos for powering our remote control you really have to imagine like winding up your well it would be very new to the market new to the market it would be very new but it is kind of a retro style yeah well this is quite interesting there is also a kinetic energy supply so when you are watching tv or when you have to make some kind of kinetic energy by shaking the remote or throwing it against the wall whatever you would it has to move that is the sense of it sense of it and you can store the energy in the thing i think if i can hook on to that the kinetic thing is very funny it is very funny indeed i mean solar is of course it is nice but it is well your your calculator has a solar panel hand line nemouth in a movie how many times you take the remote control and well maybe if you have a watch you have the kinetic idea in a watch also yeah i know you walk and you are sitting on a couch you know from your own watch your watch uses a minimal it consumes a minimal amount of energy the shaking of your body which is almost every activity makes your body shake charges it but the problem here is that it supplies a very little amount of kinetic energy so i think you have a problem when you are watching a movie and you have not moved the remote remote control in an amount of time and you want to switch the channel or something well it might not work so that is something you have to keep in mind okay but maybe there is a possibility to combine it with traditional batteries so we can save on the batteries and when there is any of kinetic energy use the kinetic energy and otherwise use the batteries okay because i guess the voice recognition feature consumes quite a lot of power yes it does yeah i will come to that later okay and we of course have the traditional solar power which is just a piece of material on the remote control which transfers light energy into electricity the user interface controls of course we have the push buttons and we also have scroll wheels and these scroll wheels can also be integrated with buttons so it is just like a mouse you can scroll them you can also push it in the indicators we have the lcd displays which means you can watch in a display which channel you have chosen or something like that of the amount of volume which is currently and we also have double scroll buttons which are just just 2 of these things so we do not really have the kind of button we had in mind in our last meeting the thing with the round  no we can just make 4 push buttons in the form of a round yes that is possible too but i do not think the scroll wheels i had some information about it too i do not think there is any possibility for us to use scroll wheel well i can not see any scenario where you would use a scroll wheel with a button on it well me neither maybe maybe you will be the remote yeah right with maybe a channel selector what about integrating a scroll bar on this side yeah that is a possibility because this is how you keep it but flores it is quite quite good think about a scenario where you are about a scenario where you would use the scroll button volume well what he means is there is a volume okay integrated in a scroll wheel there is no scenario where you use the button in the scroll wheel you just use the wheel well what about mute about mute i guess this is my volume button and i can either on this side or this side that is one possibility okay and click it to mute the device wow okay and it makes it different from the traditional devices on this market so i am looking for a way to make it a little different than the traditional ones yes so maybe i guess that is something you 2 need to think about ruth what do you think about a scroll bar or wheel well it is obviously new so it might attract the young customers but it is done before there are many other devices like telephones and there are pocket radios who use this and well it has been done years ago and i do not see it anywhere now well all the sony telephones use it for example for volume nokia has it well okay it is not really a scroll wheel but on their side the volume button is on the side because you grab it like this yes but it uses 2 separate buttons yeah i know it is not really a scroll wheel there is something for you too yeah i believe if you have what we have earlier said the grip places in the remote control you have your hand on one place on the remote control so you have to place all the buttons in the radio with your thumb yes you have to so in that case the volume button on the side of the remote control would be perfect okay sebastian okay we have to know if you want to use these rubber double curved case you must use these push buttons there is no way you can integrate lcd displays there is no way you can integrate scroll wheels because it is all curved there are no flat areas where you can incorporate these things so that is a limitation limitation about the components just the hardware we basically have 3 types of chips we can use and these chips incorporate all the logic and hardware that is needed to send to send signal we have a simple regular and advanced chip and there is something like a sample sensor and sample speaker which is a little cryptic to me but i think that is the the voice recognition thing that we are thinking about you can i have some information about it in the voice recognition you say a word you can program words like volume up okay so mute let us say mute okay you program it you mute and you give an action to it just really the mute function and when you speak in the remote control the remote control it repeats your saying so that is the sample sensor okay so if you say mute it says mute again and then it is a what i believe is it performs the action yeah and then he repeats his action with which he believes it is so you say mute he repeats mute and he makes a computer sound mute and then goes to the mute function okay so that is basically the voice recognition item we were searching for okay this sample sensor requires a regular chip i thought no well i am not very sure no it is not in here if we want to use the lcd display we really need the advanced version which is a little bit more costly if we want to use the scroll wheels we need the regular version and if we do not want to use any of these more advanced functions we can keep with the simple chip which is a bit cheaper okay okay did we already decide on the display no but i think that is something for rule here yeah well i do not have i have not looked for information about it but i do not think information i do not think you need it on the display especially when we have to look at the cost i do not think no i do not think you need it any tv can view a digital on screen yeah yeah okay okay okay well my conclusion unfortunately the market has decided a little other than i thought i thought the market would like a sort of titanium casing but they seem to like natural stuff so maybe we should think about wood finish i have chosen the more battery with solar cell solution for the energy it is more reliable it is cheaper so i do not think we should use the dynamic thing the kinetic thing is a possibility it is more advanced but i think you should combine it with batteries okay it is maybe a bit too fleshy too wow yeah in some way it can give us an advance because you will save on your batteries yeah but that is the same with the solar cell yes and i think it is more robust boost it is more but what about the market want colorful designs so if we use titanium no no but that is what sebastian said he said this is what this is my personal preference okay but i understood that the market is different 0 sorry yeah i think we should skip the titanium stuff yeah and we should use wood or something like that and i would know rubber with colors yeah the old people liked wood 0 okay sorry so it needs to be rubber call it the younger people like soft material okay spongy materials okay well these scroll wheels i think they can be handy and they can be implemented with a regular chip yes they can but they really need a regular chip you cannot use the same also we already need the regular chip for the sample well i am not very sure maybe that is no but do we want the curved design i think so if you stick with the simple straightforward not curve design it is too dull i do not think our customers will like it and if you take the double curved then you cannot you can only use the rubber buttons you cannot use the scroll wheels so i think this is the best of 2 wheels okay what about the issue i addressed at the beginning of the meeting the voice function with the infrared issue because it is i can imagine it is very dull to talk to a device if you have to point to another device yeah it is very illogical but most infrared remote controls do not have to be pointed at all well there has to be be some pointing it but it depends also on your if you take your hand before it will not work but you can point it just well it depends on your walls actually if you have smooth walls you are probably right but if you have carpets on the wall which are natural loving friends probably do have then yeah it might be a bit more of issue yes because the walls they are refurb the walls they reflect the infrared light so it does not it is easier i suggest we use the sensor sample the sample sensor and sample speaker with a regular chip i think it gives us the advantage of the scroll wheel yes yes i like the scroll wheels i skip the lcd part i do not think it is any value added value added no thing so well it looks yeah well according to ruth the the market likes technology new flashy technology and i mean lsday it is very flashy well i know but it is it is less standard standard then then well we are not very we do not know much about the the financial part that is the problem because if we do have enough space in our finance i would say do integrate it because it adds a little extra high tech feeling to it we always have the scroll wheels the speaker recognition the rubber i think our customers will go insane okay okay it is too much yeah okay i agree i think ruth do you have anything you would like to add or maybe thoughts or no i do not think so no sebast no ruhl do you have any other nothing more nothing more the next phase will be the what is the next phase to flores well we need to describe decisions now so on energy well we decided chip the case rubber with one curve use the interface but it can not go with one curved case yes they cannot work with double curved 0 sorry i will check it for you then the corporate identity should be in the product i guess that is something for ruhl and sebastian you talked about it before the colors gray and yellow yeah keep it in mind and the buttons well we talked about it now the next face sebastian is the design of the look and feel the user interface design and for you the product evaluation i am sure your personal coach will give you more information on that and the id and the uid need to work together on the prototype drawing on the smart board okay and i am going to plan my holidays okay so you will be on bahamas for the next yeah it is when we come back in 30 minutes you will have a prototype ready okay so can you give us a summary of all decisions we have made yeah i can maybe one of you could write it down i will do great you need to help me start with the casing the casing is curved single curved single curved case okay what about the energy source traditional batteries and solar but can they be can they work together do we have to choose between them no they can be complementary i think they can all i okay well what is not it should be there should be really no problem they can be supplementary there is no problem yeah so okay so just the energy source is batteries and solar what about the finishing of the case we have decided we wanted to use the rubber yeah colorful rubber if it is possible with different covers but i am not sure if our suppliers can help us with such a wish okay and i think we should use the company color something like black and red or black and yellow yellow gray and yellow or black and yellow yellow case and gray buttons yeah although i do not think that is very colorful except for the yellow of course but i could think of a more attractive set of colors i think it is not very dull it is quite modern actually do not you think well i was more thinking about the fruit colors that the root show just before already must have a red on and off button and well it does not have to be red well i mean i think these colors are really what our young people are looking for so maybe it should not even be 2 colors it should be a full color cover with such an image or i mean okay thinking in 2 colors is is to black and white for our market group i guess 0 black and yellow black and yellow yeah okay but i am afraid it is not possible to print a picture on the device because i agree it would be nice to have something like that on the device itself but there is just a week ago a keyboard manufacturer 0 i have read yes with feynord and yes but our manufacturing department is not so advanced in its techniques they are actually very slow in its techniques okay so we have to deal with what is possible here so i am afraid it is not possible yeah okay more more decisions we made  a scroll wheel the scroll wheel yes the voice recognition voice recognition we already decided okay so scroll wheel but there will be some additional buttons i guess yeah and they should be spongy also because they are they are rubber too i am going to leave that up to you too what did you say well you can use well when you use the buttons they will be made of rubber too so yeah it has the the spongy fuel so i think that is okay or you could use plastic buttons in the rubber i think rubber is nice because it i mean what do you touch the button and what do they want sponchy devices but then you just have the fact that the trunks on the buttons will disappear eventually what i said in the 1st discussion the digit 6 on the button it will disappear when it is from rubber is that does our supplier say so it is not something no information i read about it or so but just from did we include the digits or leave them to the speech no but because things like volume could be placed next to the button yeah you could place a this would be the button the scroll wheel i mean and you could place the in the the signals the so you do not touch the icons but then you have still the images on the rubber of the case that is still then if you feel like if you feel your remote control you just rub on the cover so you rub on the painting no no there is no painting only yellow or but it is into the rubber the plus or the minus yes the sign but this is on the yeah i know it is on the cover i think i know what you understand i know what you mean you just move the problem what about making this rubber and making this plastic yeah i see what you mean well maybe that is possible because our manufacturing division also offers plastic finishing so maybe they can combine these 2 yeah well actually we should have it the other way around i guess a plastic cover with rubber finishing i mean this is this is the finishing this is what is on the edge what you feel yeah but the front on which the buttons are it does not have to be rubber i mean i am i am not so sure i think it should be well i am not sure i have to ask with manufacturing but i am not sure that is what you want because our customers specifically ask for the spongy feel and that is what you get with rubber so if you want the spongy fuel you need to make these buttons all of rubber i know but do you touch this or do you touch this i mean i never touch between the buttons i do or the sideways or yeah the side the side exactly the sideways the side but do you touch between these buttons yeah especially when there are a few buttons on it you have a lot of space to touch so you just have it in your hand completely or okay well we do not have very much time left i guess you 2 have to figure that out i am going to leave the decision to you because you have to make its prototype prototype and you have the most knowledge about the suppliers the possibilities and so i am going to leave the decision with you sebastian did you write enough decisions down not quite what about the chips we use the regular chip regular okay yeah and well i think that is about it yes okay with those regular chips we can still control advanced functions the chip is not really the only difference between the advanced and the regular version is that the advanced version of the chip supports lcd okay well and we have decided not to use lcd so okay okay then i think we are okay then i think we are quite finished i will see you guys in 30 minutes the finishing touch if you write wrote anything down could you put it on the shared folder okay yeah yeah but sebastian has everything i know but i will put it online great right right we have now in the 1st of them we have to be with the 2 there in and then we can with the 2 there 0 you get all information that you can just go to the right and then i will take it again i am just now i am just going to i have just a i have just a little yeah okay yeah okay okay okay hi okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay hi hi it is a good that you now with the 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