right 1st time this time nu there we go it is not that complicated but i get it wrong every time okay so we are just waiting for matthew for matthew yep so i suggest we start the meeting without matthew he is obviously late for some reason kay good today we will talk about conceptual design i hope you both did some some work concerning a conceptual design this will be the agenda for the meeting i will take some minutes again we will have the presentations of y of you different team members and then try to come to decisions about the concepts you have presented yep yep so and that will we have some 40 minutes to complete this so who has the fir do you ha anna do you have your presentation ready i have a presentation i am just making this yeah i think yeah the matthew it is it is important that matthew yeah is here because okay ah there is matthew it is really a a team project with a team and if someone is not here then we cannot but it is okay it is good sorry okay i will just email you this file my presentation so good do presentation ready i am just emailing it to you 0 okay so so did you manage yeah i sent you the slides you did not see them 0 yes i see him good yes okay no so kay okay it should have gone through to you okay yes i have it okay so this is just a presentation on the trends that we are going to use to make the product stand out from the rest of the products out there at the moment can i just put this on so we have to work out a way what we can do with our product to make it stand out and make it so people want to buy it this is to do this i will not remove my microphone we basically used some focus group surveys which i went through with you last time the main results of that and some research on the current design and fashion trends that are out there at the moment and as part of this the important aspects that came out were things that we have already discussed really the most important by far was the look and feel of it it needs to be something that is very different from everything else out there it needs to stand out it needs to be not functional like the rest of the things out there at the moment most people find remote controls boring at the moment we need to have something that looks interesting that looks exciting that will stand out people will want to buy it that was twice as i important as the next item on here which is that it has to be technologically innovative has to have something else apart from just the look of it people have to then think about it and say got something there that i want that is a really cool feature and it has to make them want to buy it again 3rd on the list and again innovative was twice as important as this last aspect it has to be easy to use so they have to be able to be able to look at it and have some intuitive idea of how to use it drawing on the fashion trends at the moment fruit and vegetables this is basically talking about just the the feel of it so probably not the smell of it but the bright colors eye catching really bold designs and a spongy feel i had a talk to the design people about this but having a remote that is tactile that feels different that would be really cool that would make it stand out so can you repeat and be more precise about what you just said spongy feel about the feeling yeah yo you can well ma make it not necessar sp spongy is the current thing spongy is the current texture but basically there are no reports no remotes at the moment which are spongy or tactile at all so if we make it like maybe furry or soft or something okay that will be something that sets it apart rather than just bare plastic which they all are at the moment yeah okay so as far as the design goes the very most important aspect was the design to the customers so going with the fruit and vegetable idea we have got the bright colors so makes it stand out the oranges and the the bright yellows and the florescent colors part of the fruit and vegetables going back to the idea of taking inspiration from mobile phones they have all got those a lot of them have the changeable covers so they can choose what color the outside is that is one way of looking at it textured feel we just talked about maybe it is another way of doing that so if it is part of the the changeable covers then may maybe they can choose a different texture a spongy one or a soft one or something like that so they can choose it li as they want to to maybe to fit in with their decor in their living room yeah that is a very good idea yeah or just what they like their sports team or whatever yeah and yeah still taking the inspiration from the mobile phone design so functionality the way the mobile phones work the way the keypad looks also just the way that a lot of industrial design is going into mobile phones at the moment they are big selling items people put a lot of thought into that so we can leverage off that and we can start using some of their ideas back to technological in in innovation not quite as important but still a big issue we talked about having a way of finding a remote control if it has been lost that is one thing we could look at there are other aspects like l c d screens and speech recognition which were not i do not think in my personal opinion going to be worth the extra expense and the extra effort that will go into them i think we are better doing something basic like this which is very important and very will be a really cool feature to put in and use i had no real specific ideas for this maybe we just the basic idea of having your core functions big and at the top maybe by themselves and then yeah and then th th the finer details of buttons you do not use as much either hidden away or completely separate yes well maybe matthew can can give some more information on the yeah voila yep and that is the presentation okay good that is very clear yeah very clear yeah kay so does anyone have any comments or ideas on that i think you maybe we yes well we maybe can decide later on the l the the look and feel of i have it was a good idea maybe to to to let the people choose you mean yes the the the there are changeable covers yeah but on the other hand i i do not know whether my superiors would be so glad with it because you have to introduce a complete new l line of of supplies it would be very complicated organizational well we are selling so many units of this this is going to be a mass marketed product we can afford to have 2 or 3 different designs at least yeah a range of yeah a set of 34 different aspects yes sure that fits the yes and of course it will be a we we get a if it works we can get after sales i mean that would would be very good i mean those covers could go for for 3 yeah €5 that is a very good idea and then maybe we can go a th matthew is presentation because yeah s then we could discuss later like we can put all ideas together the together indeed because you ma might have some some information on the the easy to use what you were already mentioning yeah yeah i agree it should be easier with that yeah yeah yeah and your part is very related to mine because when you suggest something then it has to be integrated inside so yeah yeah so i will i will go with that actually so okay so m so then the the idea of having a remote is generally you have different keys and different structures different forms and they could be like buttons or like and they could be of a varying sizes if you want to to basically emphasize a particular key more than the other and maybe like you can have different colors for example having the r red for the on off switching on and off the button so this this is the general trend to ha the method they do yeah so what i have found was that currently the they are mostly that the t v v c r music system operated ones actually and they are very specific to each other but there are some common keys for example if you want to follow the v c r and if you want to follow the g s some soundtrack on the w w see they have the common thing actually you can have and there is also a speech recognition to store channel information names like you can basically if you have a multiple functionality say t v v c r or something i say it to the t v and the t v and you can program the keys if you want to certain keys are even the channel information i like the idea though of having speech recognition for like the n the name of a channel like b b c rather than having to remember the the number of it on the keypad yeah yeah so you you you can just because as more and more channels come then you have more and more problems to remember the v v exact channel numbers ex exactly that is a good idea yeah even if you arrange it by however you arrange it you still have the problem to remember exactly which channel you want to yeah i really like that idea so what functionalities do you suggest for that for facing this problem so it it it is like it limited one in the present market i saw it that says something like they are looking for 80 word thing 80 word which should not be th that difficult to implement like 80 to 100 word basically you want you do not want to store all the channels in the remote control you want to saint store your favorite channel maybe 10 channels yeah at the most yeah some 1012 channel information you know you do not want to saint store all the 100 channel information into that okay and basically it depends like the remote with l c d display for browsing because you have multiple functionalities for example you are watching a movie and you are having a universal remote control and you want to you do not know really which functionality is now so i am using the t v so every time i use it it could be like for example i can use a simple toggle switch and a display so i press it so the display says okay i am in t v or d v d or whatever it is instead of having 3 keys separately for 4 keys to model the functionalities will increase actually 0 yeah yeah yeah and for you and you might want you do not want separate keys for all of them you can not and well there can be children friendly where you can program your remote so that they they are not allowed to browse certain channels which you can block them and you can operate them so these are the things presently which are seen in the market scenarios at present i personally would look at things like having a u universal remote is is a good idea like instead of having unusual ones for all of them you can think of having with multiple functionality possibly with speech recognition i got a mail from the the coffee machine interface unit that they have integrated the s speech recognition into a into the coffee machine and so if you say hello coffee machine it say hi joe or something like that you know and b but a coffee machine there is not too many words they would be using with that it is a it is a small vocabulary yeah you you will not be using it so it is a limited vocabulary thing and very isolated word and it is it is interesting and basically storing the channel through voice or other ways of programming your keys on the display for the browsing which is again and maybe having something like a blinking thing like it could indicate you are it it could indicate what is cal like the whether you you have enough battery in your in your remote yeah the blinking at the same time if it is a dark room it can be used to locate the remote also or and you want okay for coming back to one point y you want to let the user to programming the keys 235 supposed to finish some of them yeah you can let them to do that and is not that too difficult for the we want w i do not know if we still want the r c to be easy to use that is the compromise n no but the if you give it d depends on the easiness like the user how much effort he can put yeah like for example i would like to store in certain way so if you want to give the full freedom to the user or you want to keep some constraints and let the user use it with that constraint yeah yeah yeah i think you can do it both ways so it de you can have it so it is easy they can pick it up and use it straight away without doing anythi without customizing it a standard yeah or if they want to they have the option of using these extra features yes but but i do maybe you can give a hand to us because i i am not sure whether that that we can implement that for €1250 so yeah so i am sorry to have every time i have to come down on this price again to so this might be a little limiting for your creativity but it is it is it is the real we have to consider it s so do we think these ideas an and my sp speech recognition yeah i mean maybe it is possible for for €12 but then then it will be at cost of other functionality we might implement like the the the the furry case of the yeah like i would say that for programming keys you said yeah it could be easily done within the the package of twel €12 yeah but for the a s r system i am not sure if it is feasible to have this or we well we can still look at we can talk with the coffee unit and you can check how much how much they yeah yeah yeah we exactly yeah i if if it is a low vocabulary it is already implemented and w how much it is cost maybe with a f cheap chip maybe we can come we we can talk to them and we can come with that you know yeah and also well you can think of having since you have a you know something maybe if you added little bit of display you might need the to che keep checking the battery so you really need a some kind of indicator so it could be a blinking option of l e d it could actually be used to detect also yeah if it is in a dark room you can basically detect it also yeah so i like the idea too of being able to use the remote in the dark so either having the buttons so you can feel the difference between them or if they if they light up or something no actually i if i it is like you know it tells you it can be for 2 purposes like if you have an l c d display and all those things it is not going to be the standard remote which is having which need just 66 volt th sorry 3 volts of d c it may need more actually so y you you may need to check your battery usage it and then you need that some functionality to indicate the battery limit it is true and then if the battery limit is indicated if it could be ind indicated through a blinking something and it can change the color depending on your how much is the battery well that is good enough to even locate even if you want to you know kay good yeah so i do not know how if if i have time to talk about the yes i would you you have time some more yep yes yes you can you can still okay sure you can you know we have time so what i am going to present here is very yeah basic knowledge about the all the the components that are inside a a r c a remote control and how is it manufactured h what is the process just to explain you so the method is ther there is a a set of components in a in a remote control like and what cost the the components in themself do not cost a lot but the the way to assemble everything costs obviously and i will show you my preferences at the end so there are 2 different types of nice 2 different ways of using the the components for making a a remote control the basic way is to use a an integrated circuit and some transistors with an that aims at communicating the message and to to send the message to the to the led that will transmit to the receiver and yeah the other components and the circuit board buttons infrared led etcetera for the components so you finding just to say that the chip can detect when a key is pressed and then it translate to the key to a sequence something like morse code as you know with a different sequence for each key and that is with the components we will use we will have different messages different sequences and the chips sends that signal signal to the transistor that amplify to make it stronger so electronic parts are assembled onto printed boards because it is easier to mass produce and assemble and so i think for our design we want some b programmable you know v v l s i or f p g a high technology yeah and this is important and also we will use yeah like in any high tech devices a chip of fi fiberglass to them and connect them so my personal design we need to find a solution what what is the material of the cover we want to use if it is plastic or you said that yeah you had some ideas like fruit veg or i dunno well well m m maybe m maybe we can give the the the case a very normal a v very normal case but yes yes with the changeable covers to fancy it up so like a normal cheap plastic case which can be covered up in for instance a wooden case yeah yes i mean just what just have a yeah yeah like they do in with cars i think yeah inside the car yeah just the veneer on it yeah so they also emailed me that they have available a bunch of different buttons a scroll wheels integrated push buttons s such as a computer mouse yeah and very cheap l c d s so liquid crystal displays so i am wondering i think we might be able to integrate l c d into our r c and the final point okay is we have yeah there are some compromise to to do so we have to know that the push button requires a simple chip but the scroll wheel and that kind of higher high tech stuff needs more money which is a higher price range alright and the display requires an advanced chip which in turns is more expensive than the regular chip but i think with €12 and if it is made for 4000000 items then i think w we could be able to handle that so to to sum up we need yeah so i i just said that the components the list of components has to be yeah listed and and assembly is a an important process that has to be taken into account and for the designing of the cove cover layout then it is better to to to maybe see that with the the u r exp u r i expert so that we can it is really a team working sorry so i i cannot design something without your agreement right yeah so of course for example i wanted to know like if you want to have a a fo if you want to have the l c d display over there no of course yes or if you want to store a programs with a keys what kind of things you will need inside your thin inside w wh what yeah it is kind of simple pro progra programmable device and we have to insert w what okay i think we could insert one that could underlie several functions of okay okay so in that case you can even look at the technology what the mobile phone is trying to use with the card exactly yeah for customizing and yeah yeah where they do all the wi with with them actually okay how f cost effective it would be to put that car chip into it and do the programmable things yeah so yeah good idea so i f i think we we should come to some decisions now a about this yeah so i understand when we want a display we need a expensive chip but when we want a scrolling wheel w we also need the expensive chip so can we use same chip so with one expensive chip we can implement several complicated or advanced features exactly yeah that is a very good idea we could have one main chip that could handle it is called f p g a chip yes that could handle both like scrolling wheels as well as l c d and yeah so when the more expensive chip you mentioned there is is possible in the in the given budget maybe we should go for for the more expensive chip so all features which you mentioned can be implemented based on the same chip yes d well do you think that is feasible well i do not know if it will fit into our cost of €125 you know you th you think it is possible is it possible to fit in to that yeah also thinking i think both if we had a budget of €2020 it will be okay but sorry well maybe we need specific costings then actually do maybe 2 designs and then cost them out and see which one is going to fit in our budget better yeah that is an excellent idea yes wh when you make a a design ca you can next meeting you can give an quite an exact cost price yeah yeah that w that would be a very good idea yeah because right now i do not have price in in head but for next meeting i am sure yeah be able to do that good good yeah that is that is something which i wanted to ask you also like what will be the each individually the cost of it yeah for example if f if you want to put wood i would not suggest for wood cause it is i think it is m okay much easier to use a plastic or a rubber rather than wood i agree on that yeah it will be much ch much expensive th though it is the most natural thing but yes but i can i think i think we can just use more cheap plastic for a kind of basic edition and then people can fancy it up with with more expensive materials which which come with a with another price yeah yeah it is yeah we we can give a preference to them but it is but with plastic or the rubber or whatever it is it is much better with that rather than going for do do you agree yeah but i it is a detailed yeah yeah plastic versus wood yeah sure yeah and we need maybe to center our description on the the really the what buttons what functionality we want to offer to the user yeah and maybe with graphs or i do not know user interface designer you could maybe help us on that ma i i think for next meeting we c you 2 can present a real design yeah yea okay so drawing it on the board perfect yeah and then we now sh only have to t to decide the general function so let let us say next meeting w you produce 2 designs 11 yeah sure yeah we will one less advanced and one more advanced and with the cost price yeah yeah furthermore we go for the for the basic plastic case which can be later fancied up with with addit additional how do you call them these like like mobile telephones you can put a cover over it yeah but that that that that can be done later yeah customized we now can concentrate on the on the basic remote control okay we can give them smooth keys you know smooth keys with bigger s so that you know the the problem most of the time we have seen the keys is that it is small yeah and every time we have to be very but if i the if we if we go to a different ways of designing those keys then you can merge them together to so is there any of these that you are looking at particularly or is this just ideas 0 you can actually for example if you see they are they are they are quite small over here and now you can for example as i was if you make them big it may change the look of the thing also to the people at the same time it is m more like it would be more interesting for people who are having this r s i and all problem yeah yes yes yes bi big keys is is good thing i think big keys may better for them actually and you see i agree yeah and not too m too many keys of course yeah yeah no no well one i have had before yeah a r r remote control we have at home is one that is actually got a cover on the bottom so the bottom bit is just covers half the keys most of the time and then you can slide the cover back to get to the the more advanced keys w but then you have still have when you do not use it you have such a a an extent of your remote control which you do not use yeah so maybe it is possible i do not know whether you can can indicate this that you can elsewhere open your remote control and on the inside are buttons you do not use that much yeah yeah yeah i have seen that before too yeah anoth another like b it flips up and then you have got another layer of buttons underneath yes yes yeah so it is something like this the model here s you can put the keys but i have seen also with keys and buttons on the top of here as well that is what you mean yes i i th that is what i mean so i mean something yeah yeah like like a book i like this one i like the shape of this one yeah can we have can we think about maybe having a a non recta non non rectangular one so with not just the straight little box that is a maybe curved or something yeah i like also this one yeah yeah the point is w maybe we need to also to make a decision on how how how big we want to be and how many buttons like n we should dec decide numbers or kay we should make a is this for the next meeting though i think we might be out of time out of time for this meeting yeah that yeah next meeting we should be okay ju just make 2 designs yeah that would depend upon us actually yeah yeah yeah and the we we can decide decide between th those designs yep yeah okay i think that would be a good idea perfect so anyone any questions for now no no no i do not have so is this is there anything else i need to do from a marketing point of view for the next meeting yes i come to that maybe it would be interesting if you could look for the cost inventories of other devices if you are using speech recognition or something like that yes well m maybe i do not know whether that is possible maybe you can start evaluating their work somehow okay well is this me designing a way to evaluate it so thinking about how to set up test groups and things i do not know whether that is possible in the given time but a as far as possible okay so you 2 will be together w working on a 0 on 2 prototypes yep exactly yeah and further instructions will be will be sent to you by by email 2 or 3 prototypes 2 2 2 one for like cost and the one with like higher end so that then we can be easily comparing them or you know find a compromise between both of them i okay and then yeah and find maybe a compromise yes okay yeah that is how it is perfect yeah yep okay let us call this to an end kay okay thanks guys thanks so we are done for now
making it out next to be out this time this time it is not that complicated but i get it wrong every time okay so we are just waiting for matthew yep i mean to put this on so i suggest we start a meeting without matthew okay he is obviously late for some reason good today we will talk about conceptual design i hope we both did some work concerning the conceptual design this will be the agenda for the meeting i will take some minutes again we will have the presentations of a few different team members and then try to come to decisions about the concepts you have presented so and that we have some more 40 minutes to complete this so who has this i know this presentation i am just like this yeah i think matthew is important that matthew yeah because ah there is matthew it is really a team a project with a team and if someone is not here then we cannot but it is okay it is good okay i just email you this file of my presentation so okay so good you have the presentation already i am just email it to you 0 okay so did you manage the yeah i sent you the slides did you see them 0 yes i see him good yes so so okay okay okay okay should have gone through you okay i guess i have it okay so this is just a presentation on the trends that we are going to use to make the products stand out from the rest of the products out there at the moment so we had to work out a way what we can do with our product to make it stand out and make it so if you want to buy it this is to do this i will not try the microphone we basically used some focus group surveys which i went through with you last time the main results of that and some research of the current design and fashion trends that are out there at the moment and as part of this the important aspects that came out or things that were already discussed really the most important by far was the look and feel of it needs to be something that is very different from everything else out there needs to stand out it needs to be not functional like the rest of the things out there at the moment most of people find motor control is boring at the moment we need to have something that looks interesting it looks exciting that it will stand out people will want to buy it that was twice as important as the next item on here which is that it has to be technologically innovative has to have something else apart from just the look at it people have to then think about it and say there has got something there that i want that is a really cool feature and it has to make them want to buy it again 3rd on the list and again innovative was twice as important as this last aspect has to be easy to use so they have to be able to look at it and have some intuitive idea of how to use it drawing on the fashion trends at the moment are fruit and vegetables this is basically talking about just the feel of it so probably not the smell of it but the bright colors eye catching really bold designs and the spongy feel i had to talk to the design people about this but having a remote that is tactile that feels different that would be really cool that would make it stand out so can you repeat and be more precise about what you just said sponging for you about the feeling yeah well make it not necessarily spongy is the current thing spongy is the current texture but basically there are no remotes at the moment which are spongy or tactile at all so if we make it maybe furry or soft or something there will be something that sets it apart rather than just bare plastic which they are all out at the moment yeah okay so as far as the design goes the very most important aspect was the design to the customers so going with the fruit and vegetable idea we have got the bright colors so it makes it stand out the oranges and the bright yellows and the fluorescent colors part of the fruit and vegetables going back to the idea of taking inspiration from mobile phones they have all got those a lot of them have the changeable covers so you can choose what color the outside is that is one way we are looking at it text we just talked about maybe it is another way of doing that so if it is part of the changeable covers maybe they can choose a different texture a spongy one or a soft one or something like that so they can choose that as they want to yeah that is a very good idea to fit in with their decor and their living room or just what they like the sports team or whatever and yeah still taking the inspiration from the mobile phone design so functionality the way the mobile phones work the way the keypad looks also just the way that a lot of industrial designers go on into mobile phones at the moment the big selling items people put a lot of thought into that so we can leverage off that and we can start using some of their ideas back to technological innovation not quite as important but still a big issue we talked about having a way of finding the remote control of it has been lost that is one thing we could look at there are other aspects like lcd screens and speech recognition which were not i do not think my personal opinion going to be worth the extra expense and the extra effort that will go into them i think we are better doing something basically like this which is very important and very would be a really cool feature to put in easy to use i had no real specific ideas for this maybe just the basic idea of having your core functions big and at the top maybe by themselves yeah so maybe matthew can give more information the final details the buttons you do not use as much either hidden away or completely separate ola and that is the presentation okay good very clear yeah very clear so does anyone have any comments or ideas on that i think maybe we yes well we can decide later on the look and feel of it was a good idea maybe to to let the people choose yes there are changeable covers but on the other hand i do not know whether my superiors would would be so glad with it because you have to introduce a complete new line of supplies it would be very complicated organizational well we are selling so many units of this this is going to be mass marketed product we can afford to have 2 or 3 different designs at least a range of a set of 34 different aspects and of course it will be we we get a it works we can get after sales that would be very good those covers could go for €35 it is a very good idea and then maybe we can go at matthew is presentation because yeah then we could discuss later like we can put all the ideas together together in the detail yes you might have some information on it is easy to use yeah and your part is very related to mine yeah when you suggest something then it has to be integrated inside i will go with that actually okay okay so so so the idea of having a remote is generally you have different keys and different structures different forms and they could be like buttons or like triangle and they could be of varying sizes if you want to to basically emphasize a particular key more than another and maybe like you can have different colors for example having the red for the on off switching on and off the button so this is a general trend to the method they do so what i have found was that conventionally they are mostly they are mostly that the tvvcr music system operated ones actually and they are very specific to each other but there are some common keys for example if you want to forward a vcr and if you want to forward a strong track on the see they have a common thing actually you can have and there is also speech recognition to store channel information names like you can basically if you have a multiple functionality say tv vcr or something i say to the tv and they take the functionality tv and you can program the keys if you want to certain keys are even the channel information i like the idea though having speech recognition for like the name of a channel like bbc run have to remember the number of it on the keypad that is a good idea yeah so you you can just because as more and more channels come then you have more and more problems to remember the exact channel numbers yeah exactly even if you arrange it by however you arrange it you still have the problem to remember exactly yeah i am not that so what functionalities do you suggest for that so it is like it should be limited one in the present market i saw that says something like they are looking for 80 word thing 80 word we should not be that difficult to implement like 80200 but basically you do not want to store all the channels in the remote control you want to store your favorite channel yeah some 10 12 channel information you know you do not want to store all the 100 channel information into that and basically it depends like the remote with the lcd display for browsing because you have multiple functionalities for example you are watching a movie and you are having a universal remote control and you do not know really which functionality is my reporting now so i am using the tv so every time i use it it could be like for example i can use a simple toggle switch and a display so i press it so the display says okay i am in tv or dvd or whatever it is instead of having 3 keys separately for 4 keys tomorrow the functionalities will increase actually for you and you might want you do not want separate keys for all of them you can and well there can be children friendly where you can program your remote so that they are not allowed to browse certain channels which you can blog them and you can operate them so these are the things presently which are seen in the market market scenario so present i personally would look at things like having a universal remote is a good idea like instead of having a individual ones for all of them you can think of having with multiple functionality possibly with speech recognition i got a mail from the the coffee machine interface unit that they have integrated the speech recognition into the coffee machine so if you say hello coffee machine it is the high joe or something like that you know the coffee machine there is not too many words they will be using with that yeah you are not using it so it is a limited vocabulary thing and maybe isolated word it is interesting and basically storing the channel through voice or other ways of programming your keys on the display for the browsing which is again and maybe having something like a blinking thing like it could indicate your it could indicate what is called like the whether you you have in a battery in your in your remote yeah the blinking at the same time if it is a dark room it can be use to locate the remote also i really are and you want okay for coming back to one point you want to let the user programming the keys some of them yeah you can let them to do that and is not that too difficult for the we will not i do not know if we still want the rc to be easy to use that is the good compromise no but if you give it depends on the easiness like the user how much effort he can put like for example i would like to store in a certain way so if you want to give the full freedom to the user or you want to keep some constraints and let the user use it with the constraint i think you can do it both ways you can have it so it is easy they can pick it up and use it straight away without doing anything without customizing it or if they want to they have the option of using these extra features yeah but maybe you can give a hint to us because i am not sure whether that we can implement that for €1250 i am sorry to have every time i have to come down on this price again so this might be a little limiting for your creativity but it is real we have to consider it so do you think these ideas and my speech recognition maybe it is possible for €12 €12 then it will be at cost of other functionality we might implement like the the the the very case of the yeah like i would say that for programming keys you said it could be easily done within the the package of €12 yeah but for the the asr system i am not sure if it is feasible to have this well we can still look at we can talk with the coffee unit and you can check how much if it is a low vocabulary it is already implemented and how much it costs maybe we can come ship we can talk to them and we can come with that you know and also well you can think of having a since you have a you know in your self remote and maybe if you add a little bit of even display you may need to check keep checking the battery so you need some kind of indicator so it could be a blinking option of led it could actually be used to detect also if it is in a dark room you can basically detect it also yeah so not the idea to be able to use the remote in the dark so either having the buttons so you can feel the difference between them or they know actually if it is like you know it tells you it can be for 2 purposes like if you have an lcd discreet and all those things it is not going to be the standard remote which is having we need just 66 volt sorry 3 volts dc it may need more actually so you may need to check your battery usage it and then you need that some functionality to indicate the battery limit and then if the battery limit is indicated if it could be indicated to a blinking something and it can change the color depending on your how much is the battery that is good enough to even locate even if you want to you know okay good yeah so i do not know if i have time to talk about the yes you have time some more yeah yes yes you can still sure you can you know okay so what i am going to present here is very basic knowledge about the components that are inside rc and how is it manufactured what is the process to explain you so the method is there is a set of components in a remote control like everywhere and what cost the components in themselves do not cost a lot but the way to assemble everything costs obviously and i will show you my preferences at the end so there are 2 different types of different ways of using the components for making a remote control the basic way is to use an integrated circuit and some transistors with the interneighors that aims at communicating the message and to send the message to the lead that will transmit to the receiver and either the components and the circuit board boring buttons and for lead etc for the components so it is not in finding just to say that the chip can detect when a key is pressed and then it translates to the key to a sequence something like morse code as you know with a different sequence for each key and that is with the components we will use we will have different messages different sequences and the chip sends that signal to the transistor that that is amplify to make it stronger so electronic parts are assembled onto printed boards because it is easier to mass produce and assemble and so i think for our design we want some programmable you know vlsi or fpga high technology and this is important and so we use like in any high tech devices cheap of fiberglass to solve them and connect them so my personal design we need to find a solution what is the material of the cover we want to use if it is plastic or you said that you had some ideas like food veg or well maybe yes maybe we can give the the case a very normal very normal case but yes with a changeable covers to fancy it up so like a normal cheap plastic case which can be covered up in for instance a wooden case i am yeah like they do with cars i think inside the car yeah so they also emailed me that they have available a bunch of different buttons scroll wheels integrated push buttons such as a modeled computer mouse and very cheap lcd displays so i am wondering i think we might be able to integrate lcd into our rc and the final point okay is we have yeah there are some compromise to do so we have to know that the push button requires a simple chip but the score will and that kind of higher high tech stuff needs more money which is a higher price range right and the display requires an advanced chip which in turn is more expensive the regular chip but i think with €12 and if it is made for 4000000 items then i think we could be able to under that so to to sum up we need up we need yeah so i just said that the components the list of components has to be listed and and assembly is an important process that has to be taken into account and for the designing of the cover layout then it is better to maybe see that with the ui expert so that we can it is really a team working so i cannot design something without your agreement right so of course for example i wanted to know like like if you want to have a for if you want to have the lcd display over there or if you want to store the programs with the keys what kind of things you need inside your thing inside what it is kind of simple fpga programmable device and we have to insert i think we could insert one that could handle several functions okay so in that case you can even look at the technology what the mobile phone is trying to use with the pga card exactly yeah for customizing with them actually okay how cost effective it would be to put that car chip into it and do the programmable things so i think we should come to some decisions now about this so i understand when we want to display we need a display we need a display we need an expensive chip but when we want the scrolling wheel we also need the expensive chip so can we use change chip so with one expensive chip we can implement several complicated or advanced few chips exactly yeah that is a very good idea we could have one main chip that could handle it is called fpga chip that could handle both like scroll rolling wheels as well as lcd and yeah so when the more expensive chip you mentioned there is possible in the in a given budget maybe we should go for for the more expensive chip so all features which you mentioned can be implemented based on the same chip yes do you think that is feasible i do not know if it will fit into our cost of you think it is possible is it possible to fit in yeah i was thinking both if we had a budget of €20 it will be okay but maybe we need specific costings then actually do maybe 2 designs and then cost them out and see which one is going to fit in our budget better yeah that is an excellent idea when you make a design you can next meeting you can give in quite an exact cost price yeah because right now i do not have the price in head but for next meeting i am sure yeah we are able to yeah that is that is something which i wanted to ask you also like what will be the each inventory the cost of it yeah for example if you want to put wood i would not suggest for wood okay i think it is much easier to use a plastic i agree on that rather than a wood it will be much much expensive though it is the most natural thing but yes but i think i think we can just use more sea plastic for kind of basic addition yeah and people can fancy it up with with more expensive materials which we can give the preference to them but it is but with plastic or the rubber what it is it is much better with that where is that going for do you agree yeah but it is a detailed yeah plastic versus wood and we need maybe to center our discussion on the really what buttons what functionality we want to offer to the user and maybe with graphs i do not know as a user interface designer you could maybe help us i will press on that i think for next meeting we you 2 can present a real design okay so drawing is on the board perfect yeah and then we now only have to decide the general function so let us say next meeting you produce 2 designs signs yeah sure 11 less advanced and one more advanced than with the cost price furthermore we go for the for the basic plastic case which can be later fancied up with with additional how do you call them this like like mobile telephones you can put a cover over it yeah but that that that can be done later yeah now can concentrate on the on the basic remote control okay we can give them smooth keys you know smooth keys with bigger as so that you know the problem most of the time you see in the keys is that it is small and every time you have to be very but if we go to a different way of designing those keys then you can merge them together so is there any days that you are looking at particular or is that you can actually for example if you see they are they are quite small over here and now you can for example as i was telling you make them big it may change the look of the thing also to the people at the same time it is more like it would be more interesting for people who are having this rsi and all this problem yes big keys may better shoot for them actually and i agree yeah and not too many keys of course no no well one i have had before a remote control we have at home is one has actually got a cover on the bottom so the bottom bit is just covers half the keys most of the time and you can slide the cover back to get to the more advanced keys yeah but then you have still when you do not use it you have such an extent of your remote control which you do not use so maybe it is possible i do not know whether you can indicate this that you can as to where open your remote control and on the inside are buttons you do not use that much i have seen that before too another like the it flips up and then you got another lower button underneath yeah so it is something like this the model here where you can put the keys i have seen also with keys and buttons on the top of here as well that is what i mean so i mean something like a book i like this one i like the shape of this one yeah can we have can we think about maybe having a non rectangular one so it is not just a straight little box it is a maybe curved or something maybe we need to also to make a decision on how big we want to be and how many buttons like we should is this for the next week no i think we might be out of time out of time for this meeting yeah next meeting we should be just make 2 designs yeah that will turn upon a section and then we can decide between those designs yeah okay perfectly so anyone any questions no no no i do not have so is there anything else i need to do from a marketing point of view for the next meeting yes i come to that maybe it would be interesting if you could look at for the cost inventories of other devices if you are using speech recognition or something like that yes well maybe i do not know whether this is possible maybe you can start evaluating their work somehow okay or is this me designing a way to evaluate it so thinking about how to set up test groups and things i do not know whether that is possible in a given time but as far as possible okay so you 2 will be together working on 2 prototypes yeah and further instructions will be sent to you by even 2 or 3 prototypes 2 one for like cost and the one is like higher end so that and then we can be easily comparing them you know find a compromise you know find a compromise between both of them yeah okay perfect yeah okay let us go this tune in okay thanks guys thanks so we are done for now i have to this here i have to do thank you