just put it on the deskt desktop no on the desktop you will find you should find that there is a project documents link a well actually just there project documents yeah yeah that is it if you dump it in there what is your username your username what is your username and password sorry okay okay there we go excellent right hopefully that is us ready to to go so functional design meeting we will have to flesh out some of the stuff we will start with the minutes of the last meeting not a lot thankfully to say we introduced ourselves discussed the possibility of a macro facility interac interacting the t v a bit more mentioning of bar code joystick for user manipulation and ergonomics of the remote control as well it is come to my attention the following teletext has become outdated due to the populat popularity of the internet remote control should only be used for the t v due for time to market and possibly also cost issues also key is the corporate image should stay recognizable f your color and slogan of course is down at the bottom there now just to say quickly i would have thought that only being used for a television the macro facility may now not be required or at l its functionality would have been of limited use so to the point in my opinion anyway that it might not be worth pursuing if anybody disagrees we can definitely say so and hopefully we will just crack on and we will get everything going i would like to if possible hear from our marketing expert 1st to help us gain an idea of where we are going to go kay so i will just load up your presentation from here if you want sure sh would you like to i will just do it from here yep sorry is yours the try 2nd one maybe try it yeah maybe 0 sorry yeah okay okay right 0 i thought i put in my last name i guess not but if you that is all right okay if you do you want me to just cycle through it for you or 0 yeah that would be fine that would be great yeah okay functional requirement by me ebenezer okay okay so we did some research we asked 100 people their opinions on remote controls we asked some open ended questions just what are your opinions on the remote control got a lot of re responses and we asked some very specific questions and we got a lot of good feedback please bear in mind this is only a 100 people so even when the groups are divided into 15 to 25 25 to 35 there is only maybe 10 people 15 people in each group okay okay so we got some the bad stuff we got remotes are often lost i often lose my remote control the back of the couch some place and even if it is not lost permanently it takes me a few minutes to find it most buttons are not used any more like you said teletext is outdated now i remember trying to load a d v d player recently and there were so many buttons it took me i do not know maybe 10 minutes to to go through each button cause you have to press the shift button to access the yellow buttons you know there is just a lot of stuff that no one really uses and if they do not very often takes too long to master the remote control i have seen some remote controls that are big they have a lot of buttons you have to hold down more than one key at one time to do something they are just not great to use we just got a lot of bad complaints about remote controls people do not like remote controls some of the good stuff we got between the age of 15 and 25 most people would be willing to pay extra for voice recognition software now do not get excited yet i have got more to say on that most people would be willing to pay for that most people want remote controls to be pretty they want it to be fancy th they they want it to be different everybody has a white remote control with black buttons and a red button and a green button not everybody wants that finally my opinion yep the voice recognition thing is cool and voice recognition the software open source software exist already it is a bit sketchy at some times you are not going to get good always accurate results but for a very fixed number of words you know you have how many different words can you have for a remote control up down left right channel 5 channel 7 you know how many you can not have that many words for a fixed vocabulary it works quite well i am pretty sure people would buy it but after a while people may want to return it because if you have to to say som i mean most people use a remote control for switching to channels and they say they do that about 98% of the time using the remote control 98% of the time for changing channels and that is for flickering through channels so if you have to say up up up up if you have to do that all the time then people might get a bit fed up with that and they may return it however 0 because the voice recognition software exists already there is no need to spend money on research and development but this does mean the need for microphones in the in the remote control which is an unusual feature in my opinion but if we do have the voice recognition thing there is a lot of stuff that you can get rid of see you could there are 2 options either you have voice recognition by itself which i think is a bit impractical for like night time if you want to be watching television and you want to be quiet or i do not know you have a visitor coming round and the remote is only trained for you it is a bit impractical to have just voice recognition by itself so you can have voice recognition and a regular remote but imagine you got rid of the regular remote part then you can design the remote to look any way you want it to look because there are no restrictions on physical size or shape it it could be as fancy as you want it to be you know it could be like a lollipop or something like that something weird like that as long as the voice recognition stuff works that is that is fine okay yep so we have the 3 birds we have the design that we have the the fancy bit right the voice recognition is fancy it is cool it is different it is radical so and then we have an extra bit i do not remember so i am pretty sure people will buy the remote but is it practical to have a voice recognition system in a remote control i think is a big question will people will people be willing to wait for the the period that it will take to train the remote cause i think it will the remote will get better over time with the same user user but for the 1st week or for the 1st 2 weeks are you willing to wait are you willing to have a bad remote control and what if you have visitors come round they stay the night they want to use the t v they can not use the remote because they speak differently to you how do you account for regional accents and stuff like that will people return the remote control i think a lot of young people will buy the remote control if they have the money you know so do our audience have the money but would they return it after a while because it is not as fast as pressing a button it is not a practical so if you could these are things i think we should consider i think it is cool sor if you could speed it up a bit yeah i am sorry if you could speed it up a bit please yeah sure i am about to end yeah sorry cool i think it is cool but there are definitely some considerations okay so yeah excellent right hear from the user interface designer now i think might be an idea okay you have got your presentation now is it on the is it how did where did where did you get all your in information yeah it is in the it is in the folder yeah okay there was a website 0 technical functions right here ah okay g i started making stuff up then i got an email saying no yeah okay okay this is a brief run through of the of the technical functions of the remote as is the the the presentation is already slightly obsolete because i had in mind something that would be i be aimed at controlling multiple devices but there is still stuff of relevance so okay press on i have looked at looked at a num couple of other remote control models just for an idea of basic design principles and was not really satisfied by what i saw i have to say so this is more sort of springboard for how these could be improved on basically the job of the device is to send commands to an appliance in this case the television set to save you getting off your backside and there is 2 main trends in th in the sort of design practice on the one hand and this this particularly relates to its sort of earliest models where with you know i so so many buttons on it so about the size of the television set giving you every possible function that the that the device has the remote control controls and most of these functions are not going to be used it creates a rather user unfriendly interface and on the other hand there is a user focused approach that pares things down to just what what is most likely to get used with a and a and of course there is a certain amount of sort of loss of function here obviously but mostly that is relatively peripheral functions and so you go for something that is fairly intuitive to use and well f the for the most part for t v remote it is tha that would be channel control and volume and if you if you if you are wanting to incorporate control of a d v d v d or v c r presumably into that then there is a play pause stop rewind fast forward record so forth my own view is that we should definitely be going for a user focused design but the pro i think the problem with a lot of the sort of user focused designs that are about is that they sort of make assumptions in advance about what what a given user is going to want mo want to do from want it to do most so something that is something that is more programmable that perh perhaps has the full range of functions available to it but you can then specify yourself what you are most likely to want so that those are then immediately accessible through fairly minimal number of controls i liked ebenezer is idea of including a joystick in that and possibly a sort of fairly minimal number of sort of function buttons and have a disp you then have some sort of basic display on it so that if you are sort of cha changing from different modes for the device it will tell you just exactly what you know each direction of the of the joystick is going to do or wha or what each function button is going to do this is actually a again slightly taking inspiration off of games controllers you know the playstation control where you have 4 basic function buttons that are just marked with distinctive geometrical shapes but the and then dependent on what you are doing with it what game and so on those those functions are then sort of further specified and so it is taking taking the lead from that okay yeah that is it right if we could hear from our industrial engineer or designer yeah i was still working on stuff i had not got it finished alright click to save in where do i have to save it if you look on the desktop you will find that there is a link to the project folder or project documents if you save it in there we can open it up from here what i have done with it i am sorry shit are you finding it okay or i am just closing it now where i have saved it well like if you go to one whichever one you were working yeah and you just click file save as that is it there yeah 0 right okay right i am responsible for working design this is basically the inside going on of the the remote control so we have the energy source we have the user interface this this is what i have seen the sender will push the button the chip will respond and then the dig digital signal is sent to the t v so if you go to next slide you will see you will see what do we need on the user interface do we need many buttons or do we need l many light bulbs that could be easier to to realize which appliances are on or not or would that take too much power would we need more components in there to supply the power the joystick is another thing if we were going to add that there would be more components to deal with that so we need to i dunno exactly what that is the design of the the the layout of the electronic design but obviously there will be more details once we have decided what we are putting on the user interface okay so that will be decided i guess and the next slide 0 yeah if you go to the next slide then 0 yeah i just used the it was a mess i was just putting adding it together at the end there ah do not worry about it at all mate so you have the energy source obviously connected to the chip and the user interface obviously contains everything you have the switch turn it on infrared bulb will contact the t v and will have whatever device or d v d player the bulb will turn on to say it is on so do we need on the control different buttons to decide or different light bulbs would it be easier i dunno what we should decide on that okay well 0 sorry i am i am interrupting you are you is it yeah no it is finished yeah okay right right we can probably skip that for now so we have had some stuff put forward along with the new user requirements we have had a lot of kind of input i would say so far i hear what the marketing expert is saying about voice activated control however i have got a couple of worries about that the power required and the ability to the cost it seems like for an embedded system this could cause us issues cost for example you see that there is fairly robust services on computers via via voice i b m do drag and dictate but these require a lot of memory and usually state quite advanced processor requirements voice activation could be an interesting idea but i think that our ind industrial designer would probably upon some research say that it is maybe not feasible kay that is just my view right now however the idea of a joystick and then maybe an l c d which has been kind of put forward so far it is almost like having a small t not t v to say but if you can control almost all of the functionality from the display i do not know how much power an l c d would take but it might be quite low l c d on the remote just telling you what is on or interactive l c d or i well literally if you can imagine the display maybe slightly larger than those on a a mobile phone something where you can read an an fair amount of information traverse maybe quite a few menus if we maybe used mobile phones as a good example they usually incorporate they have the keypad and then evr all the other functionality is usually associated inside by traversing around that could be one possibility and then we could have like say the common buttons as you say volume control changing channels i i was thinking that the remote the sort of default functions for the joystick would be up and down for volume left and right for channels we do you think that people will get mixed up like they will be looking at this screen and that screen and then you know trying to get everything working would it be a bit confusing i think probably for the 1st couple of hours of using it but you know muscle memory is a wonderful thing yeah and i think and i think that size of display was about what i had in mind though i mean i w i would say that we could probably probably be required to mo most of the mobile phone displays you see these days are color but we should probably try to stick to black and white i would agree with you si si simply to keep m keep the unit cost down i mean color could be a sort of subsequent development but you know cost a bit of extra money f w w w w w once everyone has got the 1st you know 0 color is out we will have to replace it will not we it does nothing extra that would be my feeling as well i think we could possibly create quite a useful user interface now i mean i do not sorry go for it sure but the idea of a remote with a menu or and a joystick i think like i h if i was in the habit of buying remote controls then i would want one but i think we do not have a specific audience you know like what is our target audience what niche are niche are we trying to market and corner you know you know what i am saying like for whom is this intended everybody i think it could probably be aimed at most people who have used a mobile and that might be just another way of saying try to target most people most people yeah if we are if we were to follow that avenue we might be s you know we are kind of almost relying on their experience with a mobile phone i suppose but that does cover a very large section of the people out there sure i think that is fair yeah i mean i imagine as well that the actual l c d and maybe to a certain extent the joystick as well would be for the additional functionality which maybe does not get used as often maybe it makes it easy for them to figure out how to change the channels as in the frequencies and such for reprogramming it and you can still have the main buttons that allow the people to turn the machine on and off d up and down it depends i mean maybe we have the fol the joystick as a separate one for the other functions then that there is just a a small number of as you were saying buttons that have already been defined so like we go for the nice standard up and down for and volume control so that literally anybody can come along pick up the remote and still know what do do and they can completely ignore most of the functionality which would be for say the 0 actual owner of the the t v and who would normally use the unit i dunno i th the thing i like about the the joystick is that you you you then basically you can then basically put it i mean for for t t for t v remote alone you could put i mean there are like i say the the the main things people do with a t v remote control is the volume and the channel you can pack all that onto was onto a single control but but the but then 0 obviously if you know if you i if you wanted to access further functions i you you then get to sort of menu navigation i mean with things like ch with things like tuning and channels you know adjusting brightn brightness and fiddly things that no one really bothers with most t v s these days actually have menus anyway so this would be a fairly rational way of integra integrating the the remote with the device it is controlling concern about our market if we are i mean most of the of the replacement remote market is sort of remote control rationalization you have got 20 different devices in your living room you want one wo y you want one that will do the job of all of them yeah if all you are replacing is one of the you know however many remotes you have in your living room you know you still need separate remotes for everything else i just think that possibly well this is a requirement that we have to stick to i am afraid this is not one that i have just arbitrarily decided on so this is this is one of the solid ones that has to be obeyed for now so i can understand your and i would agree with you but this is our design spec for now fraid to say does that would that include access to say interactive functions on digital or cable yeah i would say so yes because then we have to be able to control the remote boxes and that is a separate unit i think that it i would say that the design spec we have been with is for the television only for now and until we hear otherwise we should go with just that okay specifically television okay okay maybe we will hear differently but for now so the joystick is just for differentness it would be ease of manipulation of certain functions yes okay just a thought maybe then our market should be t v manufacturers rather than the public try and sell it t sell it to them to supply with there is that possibility yes b however i do not know exactly where we will be going with that but it might not even be the avenue of the marketing expert that might be sales who are not in this meeting it is just the way i figure it €125 per unit we have to sell at least like 3000000 or something like that not to account for all the the money we waste on remotes that no one buys you know like if we made a perf if we made a ks for every remote we made someone bought it then we have to sell a lot of remote controls we just is this going to be enough to to sell well something else that you brought up was the ability to lose a remote which as you said you have done in fact we have probably all done yeah i do not know if it is a gimmick or not but have any of you ever seen those odd little key rings where if you whistle it will beep and you tell you where it is i had one of those and my brother and my dad could have beat me up because it it went off all the time accidentally yeah i have seen them well the other option of course is that the well i was going to say clapping the clapping one digital telephones for example one unit has of course you have to have that base unit somewhere where there is a button but maybe it is a button that you attach to the t v to a television something which you when you press that it would beep to give its location away on the remote unit yeah and that could be something could separate us a bit yeah i think that is a good idea yeah that is a good idea and that way because we are attaching what would be a small button to the t v again say what it would be a small transmitter watch battery type scenario i would say or something that if it was problems enough you could actually even just i do not power that might be something that we could look into yeah yep yeah it is putting a lot on your shoulders there so i mean that could be something that separates us a bit from the market as well i think so yeah so to go on from here we have to decide exactly what we are going to do with the remote before we leave this meeting it would be best to say this is what we are going this is the design we are going to try and get this is how we are going to make ourselves look unique do we go for maybe a remote contro sorry we are going to go for a remote control obviously do we go for a small joystick that would operate say changing channels up and down and then what another button that would say that it is now being used to maneuver round the l c d yeah we are just saying volume yeah i think that is should volume be important in the joystick do you think we could use say the left and right for changing channels and the up and down for volume and yeah for volume yep but we have a frequency of how what people use a remote control for most okay power is used like once per hour channel selection is used a 168 per hour i that is by far the biggest one and then teletext is still here that is like 14 and volume selection vol volume selection okay yep the teletext we are gambling with and we are going to say it is dead the way of the dodo no yeah okay okay yeah so we well sorry we could maybe even go as far as saying power button small joystick l c d and then what maybe is it one more button to say that you are using the menu system and with the possibility of pushing down on the joystick to say okay so we are having very very few buttons involved but navigation around a menu for most things actually how actually i would say maybe 22 function buttons the y we are now using the menus button and and an og and an okay button i mean certainly something i have found with the joystick on mo the joysticks on mobile phones is that a lot of the time th the device mistakes you trying to move it in one direction or the other for pushing down for okay okay okay or vice versa and that is really irritating the 0 the 0 the other dis design constraint i think we should bear in mind is that people are you know very much used to using a remote control one handedly so we need to make sure that e even with the joystick you know something that can just sit comfortably in the palm of the hand and have the joystick just controlled by the thumb okay so we are actually that sounds like a rough idea do we incorporate the idea of trying to f locate the remote control again via a beeping noise yeah think so do you mind looking i think because it is so small it might be an i mean if we only have like 23 buttons it might be essential to have to have that the ability to locate it again yeah so that would require a transmitter maybe attached to the t v just so that it says find me and what a basically a small microphone on the actual unit can maybe hide it in the base light bulb as well no 0 sorry so so a small speaker you mean speaker yeah some speaker sorry yeah and a light bulb no to flash no nah you would see it anyway if you hear it e us we might be better with the sound possibly we could maybe incorporate yeah w those little key rings have both so th e the true fact considering the cost of an l e d we could just incorporate it anyway yeah yeah the l e d s can be surprisingly bright now yeah blue ones particularly plus that is a nice wee design touch so by the sounds of it with what we are suggesting so far yeah your design the user interface is still quite open you could go for quite an interesting design because we are only going to have a very few key and you have got you know a small l c d joystick e i think it leaves you open to a a potential wide range of shapes something that can make it stand out slightly if you could look into what we have suggested so far the feasibility of small transmitter and such maybe if an l c d screen requires too much power or such ebenezer marketing expert well i can give you the frequency what people what options people use most often i guess that is going to be important in the ts defining the the software side of the interface right you want the stuff if yeah if you could maybe as well see what people think about the idea of this minimalist approach that we have taken where of a joystick to control the very basic functions and then the idea of manipulating it like you would a mobile okay okay i do not know how easy that will be within the time frame but could be something we could maybe look into sure sure okay any last comments that anybody would like to put forward anything that they think has been missed out bit of a wide open question there of course feel free to email me if you think that we have screwed something up and want to get it rectified as soon as possible sure kay right yeah so i should just look at the speaker the speaker and an l e d and speaker and l e d for locating yeah and a transmitter transmitter transmitter actually 11 wee thought about that if we do end up trying to market this to television manufacturers then the then the transmitter could actually be built into the television getting the external power source yep that is quite true and something that we can can easily be adopted at the last minute as well i would say yeah the electronics could be s either placed externally or internally makes no difference to the final product of the actual remote control so that is good uses maybe gives us a new potential market kay you know i think i mean if it w if we get a major television manufacturer to say y 0 yeah we will have that p save us the bother then that is you know vast amounts of sales quite quickly 01 thing that we have almost not talked about at all my apologies for that user interface we also need to maybe get the slogan in here it is i am pointing at my laptop what in god fashion real reaction and such so the slogan is yeah the slogan is we put the fashion in electronics is not it 0 sorry my apologies no it could well be i have probably missed that i think that is l almost the last minute thing we can just incorporate into the actual plastic on top is also look cool so i am not too concerned a that we have not gone into depth about that but it might be something you could consider when you are thinking about shapes in fact we might like to put a slogan on and possibly the 2 r s to signify the company rather than real reaction yeah i thought the the d the double arc could perhaps be the the enter button sounds good and i would say that that is us for now okay
just put it on the desk all i say is desktop no on the desktop you will find you should find that there is a project documents link well actually just there project documents yeah yeah that is it if you dump it in there what is a username your username what is the username on pairs with okay okay there we go excellent right hopefully that is us ready to go so functional design meeting we will have to flesh out some of the stuff stuff we will start with the minutes of the last meeting not a lot thankfully to say we introduced ourselves discussed the possibility of a macro facility interacting with the tv a bit more mentioning of barcode joystick for user manipulation and ergonomics of the remote control as well and it is come to my attention the following the following teletext has become outdated due to the popularity of the internet remote control should only be used for the tv due for a time to market and possibly also cost issues also key is the corporate image to stay recognizable your color and slogan of course is down at the bottom there now just to say quickly i would just to say quickly i would i have thought that only being used for the television the macro facility may now not be required or its functionality would have been of limited use to the point in my opinion anyway that it might not be worth pursuing if anybody disagrees we can definitely say so and hopefully we will just crack on and we will get everything going i would like to if it is possible hear from our marketing expert 1st to help us gain an idea of where we are going to go so i will just load up your presentation from here if you want sure would you like to start from here yeah that is right is yours the twice 2nd one maybe try yeah maybe yeah okay okay right i put it in my last name i guess not but if you that is all right okay do you want me to cycle through it for you or 0 yeah that would be fine that would be great okay functional requirement by me ebenezer okay okay so we did some research ask 100 people the opinions on remote controls we have some open ended questions just what are your opinions on the remote control got a lot of responses and we asked some very specific questions and we got a lot of good feedback please bear in mind this is only 100 people so even when the groups are divided into 15 to 25 25 to 35 there is only maybe 10 people 15 people in each group okay so we have got some of the bare stuff we got remotes are often lost i often lose my remote control the back of the couch someplace and even if it is not lost permanently it takes me a few minutes to find it most buttons are not used anymore like you said teletext is outdated now i remember trying to load a dvd player recently and there was so many buttons it took me i do not know maybe 10 minutes to go through each button because you have to press the shift button to access the yellow buttons you know it is just a lot of stuff that no one really uses and if they do not very often it takes too long to master the remote control i have seen some remote controls that are big they have a lot of buttons you have to hold down more than one k at one time to do something they are just not great to use we just got a lot of bad complaints about remote controls people do not like remote controls some of the good stuff we got between the age of 15 and 25 most people will be willing to pay extra for voice recognition software i do not get excited yet i have got more to say on that most people will be willing to pay for that and most people want remote controls to be pretty they want it to be fancy they want it to be different everybody has a white remote control with black buttons and a red button and a green button not everybody wants that finally my opinion the voice recognition thing is cool and voice recognition the software open source software exists already it is a bit sketchy at sometimes you are not going to get good always accurate results but for a very fixed number of words you know you have how many different words can you have for a remote control up down left right channel 5 channel 7 you know how many you can not have that many words for a fixed vocabulary it would looks quite well i am pretty sure people will buy it but after a while people may want to return it because if you have to say i mean most people use the remote control for switching to channels and they say they do that about 98% of the time using the remote control 98% of the time for changing channels and that is for flickering through channels so if you have to say up up up up if you have to do that all the time then people might get a bit fed up with that and they may return it however because the voice recognition software exists already there is no need to spend money on research and development but this does not mean the need for microphones in the remote control which is an unusual feature in my opinion but if we do have the voice recognition thing there is a lot of stuff that you can get rid of see there are 2 options even you have voice recognition by itself which i think is a bit impractical for like night time if you want to be watching television you want to be quiet or i do not know you have a visitor come around and the remote is only trained for you it is a bit impractical to have just voice recognition by itself so you can have voice recognition and a regular remote but imagine you got rid of the regular remote part then you can design the remote to look any way you want it to look because there are no restrictions on physical size or shape it could be as fancy as you want it to be it could be like a lollipop something like that something weird like that as long as the voice recognition stuff works that is fine okay yeah so we had the free birds we have the design bit we have the fancy bit right the voice recognition is fancy it is cool it is different it is radical and then we have an extra bit i do not remember so i am pretty sure people will buy the remote but is it practical to have a voice recognition system in the remote control i think it is a big question will people be willing to wait for the period that it will take to train the remote because i think it will the remote will get better over time with the same user but for the 1st week or for the 1st 2 weeks are you willing to wait are you willing to have a bad remote control and what if you have visitors come around they stay the night they want to use the tv they can not use the remote because they speak differently to you how do you account for regional accent original accents and stuff like that will people return the remote control i think a lot of young people will buy the remote control if they have the money you know so do our audience have the money but would they return it after a while because it is not as fast it is pressing the button it is not a practical so these are things i think we should consider i think it is cool if you could speed up a bit yeah i am sorry if you could speed up a bit please sure i am about to end yeah i think it is cool but they are definitely some considerations okay excellent right here from the user interface design now i think might be an idea okay you have got your presentation now yeah it is in the whole is it okay there was a website right here technical functions i started making stuff up then i got an email saying okay okay this is a brief run through of the technical functions of the remote i was going to the presentation is already slightly obsolete because i had in mind something that would be aimed at controlling multiple devices but there is still stuff of relevance so okay i saw them i have looked at a couple of other remote control models just for an idea of basic design principles and was not really satisfied by what i saw i have to say so this is more sort of springboard for how these could be improved on basically the job of the device is to send commands to an appliance in this case that television said television set to say you are getting off your backside and there is 2 main trends in the design practice on the one hand and this particularly relates to the earliest models where it was you know so many buttons on it is about the size of the television set every possible function that the device has the remote control controls and most of these functions are not going to be used it creates a rather user unfriendly interface on the hand there is a user focused approach that pairs things down to just what is most likely to get used with and of course there is a certain amount of loss of function here obviously but mostly that is relatively peripheral functions and so you go for something that is fairly intuitive to use and well for the for the most about for tv remote it is that would be channel control and volume and if you if you are one to incorporate control of dvd or bcr into that and then a play pause stop rewind fast forward so far so far my only use that we should definitely be going for a user focused design but i think the problem with a lot of the sort of user focused designs are about is that they make assumptions in advance about what a given user is going to want it to do most so something that is something that is more programmable that perhaps has the full range of functions available to it but you can then specify yourself what you are most likely to want so those are then immediately accessible through a fairly minimal number of controls i like ebenezer is idea of including a joystick in that and possibly a fairly minimal number of function buttons you then have some sort of basic display on it so if you are a changing between different modes for the device it will tell you exactly what each direction of the joystick going to do or what each function button is going to do this is actually taking inspiration up of games controllers and the playstation control where you have 4 basic function buttons that are just marked with distinctive geometrical shapes and then dependent on what you are doing with it what game in this case those functions are then sort of further specified and so it is taking the lead from that okay yeah right if we could hear from our industrial engineer or designer yeah i was still working on stuff if i had not got it finished all right i have to save one where do i have to save if you look on the desktop you will find that there is a link to the project folder or project documents if you save it in there we can open it up from here put it down there are you finding it okay or you just have to closing it there like if you go to one whichever one would right that is a day yeah and you just go i will say that all right okay i am responsible for a working design this is basically the inside going on of the remote control so you have the energy source you have the user interface this is what i have seen the sender will push the button the chip will respond and then the digital signal sent to the tv sent to the tv so if you go to the next slide you will see what do we need on the user interface do we need many buttons or do we need many light bulbs that could be easier to realize which appliances are on or not or would that take too much power would we need more components in there to supply the power and the joystick is another thing if we are going to add that and there will be more components to deal with that so we need to i do not know exactly what that is the design of the the layout of the electronic design but obviously there will be more details once we decide what we are putting on to user interface okay so that would be decided i guess and the next slide all right yeah if you go to the next slide then i just used the it was a mess i was just putting adding it together at the end there yeah do not worry about it at all mate so you have the energy source obviously connected to the chip and the user interface obviously contains everything if the switch turn it on infrared bulb we will contact the tv and you will have whatever device or dvd player the bulb will turn on say it is on so do we need on the control different buttons to decide or different light bulbs it would it be easier i do not know what we should decide on that okay well sorry i am interrupting you no it is finished yeah okay we can probably skip that so we have had some stuff put forward along with the new user requirements we have had a lot of kind of input i would say so far i hear what the marketing experts saying about voice activated control however i have got a couple of worries about that the power required and the ability to cost it seems like for an embedded system this could cause its issues for example you see that there is fairly robust services on computers via voice ibm do drag and dictate but these require a lot of memory and usually state quite advanced processor requirements voice activation could be an interesting idea but i think that our industrial designer would probably upon some research to say that it is maybe not feasible that is just my view right now however the idea of a joystick and then maybe an lcd which has been kind of put forward so far it is almost like having a small tv not tv to say but if you can control almost all of the functionality from the display i do not know how much power an lcd would take but it might be quite low lcd under a mouth just telling you what is on or interact with lcd if you can imagine a display maybe slightly larger than those on a mobile phone something where you can read a fair amount of information traversed maybe quite a few menus if we maybe use the mobile phones as a good example they usually incorporate they have the keypad and then all the other functionality is usually associated inside of the traversing around that could be one possibility and then we could have like say the common buttons as you say volume control changing channels i think the remote the sort of default functions for the joystick could be up and down for volume left and right for channels do you think that people get mixed up like they would be looking at this screen and that screen and you know trying to get everything working would it be the confusing i think probably for the 1st couple of hours of using it yeah but you know muscle memory is a wonderful thing and i think yeah i think that size of display was about what i had in mind though i would say that we probably be required to most of the mobile phone displays you see these days color book should probably try and just stick to black and white i would agree it is simply to keep the unit cost down color could be a subsequent development but it costs a bit of extra money what once everyone has got the 1st 0 colors out the last room that does nothing extra that would be my feeling as well i think we could possibly create quite a useful user interface now i mean i do not sorry go for it the idea of a remote with a menu and the joystick i think if i was in a habit of buying remote controls then i would want one but i think we do not have a specific audience you know like what is our target audience what niche are we trying to market in corner you know what i am saying for whom is this intended everybody i think it could probably be aimed at most people who have used the mobile and that might be just another way of saying trying to target most people if we were to follow that avenue we might be you know we are kind of almost relying on their experience with a mobile phone i suppose but that does cover a very large section of the people out there sure i think that is fair i mean i imagine as well that the actual lcd and maybe to a certain extent the joystick as well would be for the additional functionality which maybe does not get used as often maybe it makes it easy for them to figure out how to change the channels as in the frequencies and such for reprogramming it and you can still have the main buttons that allow the people to turn the machine on and off up and down it depends i mean maybe we have the joystick as a separate one for the other functions and there is just a small number of as you were saying buttons that have already been defined so like we go for the nice standard up and down and volume control so that literally anybody can come along pick up the remote and still know what to do and they can completely ignore most of the functionality which would be for say the actual owner of the tv and who would normally use the unit i do not know the thing i like about the joystick is that you then basically you can then basically put it i mean for tv remote alone you could put i mean like i say the main thing people do with the tv remote is the volume of the channel you can pack all that onto a single control but then obviously if you want to access further functions you then get to sort of menu navigation i mean with things like with things like tuning in channels you know adjusting brightness and fiddly things that no one really bothers with really bothers with most tvs these days actually have menus anyway so this would be a fairly rational way of integrating the remote with the devices controlling which i did a little bit of concern about a market if we are i mean most of the of the replacement for remote market is sort of remote control rationalization you have got 20 different devices you are living room you want one you want one that will do the job of all of them if all you are replacing is one of the you know however many remotes you have in your living room you know you still need separate remotes for everything else i just think that well this is a requirement that we have to stick to i am afraid this is not one that i have just arbitrarily decided on so this is one of the solid ones that has to be obeyed for now so i can understand your and i would agree with you but this is our design spec for now great to say would that include access to say interactive functions on digital or cable yeah i would say so yes because then we have to be able to control the remote boxes and that is a separate unit i think i would say that the design spec we have been laid with is for the television only for now and until we hear otherwise we should go with just that okay specifically television okay maybe we will hear differently so the joystick is just for differentness it would be ease of manipulation of certain functions yeah certain functions yes maybe then our market should be tv manufacturers rather in the public try and select to them to supply with there is that possibility yes however i do not know exactly where we will be going with that but it might not even be the avenue to marketing expert that might be sales who are not in this meeting is this the way i figure 124 €5 per unit we have to sell at least like 3000000 or something like that not to account for the money we waste on remotes that no one buys like if we made for every remote we made someone bought it we have to set a lot of remote controls it is just is this going to be enough to sell well something else that you brought up was the ability to lose it remote which as you said you have done that we have probably all done i do not know if it is a gimmick or not but have any of you ever seen those odd little key rings where if you whistle it will beep and you tell you where it is i had one of those and my brother or my dad could have beat me up because it went off all the time accidentally well the other option of course is that the clapping one i was going to say clapping digital telephones for example one unit has of course you have to have that base unit somewhere where there is a button but maybe it is a button that you attach to the tv to a television something which when you press that it would be to give its location away on the remote unit that could be something could separate us a bit and that way because we are attaching what would be a small button to the tv again say what would be a small transmitter watch battery type scenario i would say or something that if it was problems enough you could actually even just i do not power and elsewhere that might be something that we could look into yeah yeah it is putting a lot on your shoulders there so i mean that could be something that separates us a bit from mark as well yeah so to go on from here we have to decide exactly what we are going to do with the remote before we leave this meeting it would be best to say this is the design we are going to try and get this is how we are going to make ourselves look unique do we go for maybe a remote control sorry we are going to go for remote control obviously do we go for a small joystick that would operate say changing channels up and down and then what another button that would say it is now being used to maneuver around the lcd yeah or do you think volume should volume be important in the joystick do you think we could use save the left and right for changing channels and the up and down for volume yeah but we have a frequency of how what people use the remote control for most okay power is used like once per hour channel selection is used 168 per hour that is by far the power that is by far the biggest one and then teletext is still here that is 14 go and volume selection volume selection okay yeah the teletext we are gambling with and we are going to say it is dead okay i could wave the do do yeah so we well sorry we could maybe even go as far as saying power button a small joystick lcd and then what maybe is it one more button to save it you are using the menu system and the possibility of pushing down on the joystick to say okay so we are having very very few buttons involved but navigation around a menu for most things i would say 2 function buttons we are now using the menus button and an okay button something i found with the joystick on mobile phones is that a lot of the time the device mistakes you try to move it in one direction or the other for pushing down for okay or vice versa and that is really irritating the other design constraint i think we should bear in mind is that people are very much used to using a remote control one handedly so we need to make sure that even with the joystick is something that can just sit comfortably in the palm of the hand and have the joystick just controlled by the some okay so i would say that sounds like a rough idea do we incorporate the idea of trying to locate the remote control again via a beeping noise yeah i think so i think so i think so i mean if we only have like 2 or 3 buttons it might be essential to have to have that to locate it again yeah so that would require a transmitter maybe attached to the tv just so that he says find me and basically a small microphone on the actual unit can maybe hide it in the base light bulb as well no sorry a small speaker you mean speaker speaker sorry yeah light bulb no to flash no no you would see it anyway we might be better with the sound possibly those little key rings have both in true in fact considering the cost of an led you could just incorporate it anyway the leds can be surprisingly bright now yeah yeah and one is particularly plus that is a nice to be designed yeah so by the sense of it what we are suggesting so far your design the user interface is still quite open you could go for quite an interesting design because we are only going to have a very few key and you have got you know small lcd joystick i think it leaves you open to a potential wide range of shapes something that you are going to be able to a potential wide range of shape something that you are can make it stand out slightly if you could look into what we have suggested so far the feasibility of small transmitter and such maybe if an lcd screen requires too much power or such ebeneuser mark and the hacking expert well i can give you the frequency what people what options people use most often i guess that is going to be important in defining the software side of the interface right you want the stuff that are more if you could maybe as well see what people think about the idea of this minimalist approach that we have taken where of a joystick to control the very basic functions and then the idea of manipulating it like you would a mobile i do not know how easy that will be within the time frame but it could be something we could maybe look into sure sure okay any last comments that anybody would like to put forward anything that they think that has been missed out bit of a wide open question there of course feel free to email me if you think that we have screwed something up and want to get it rectified as soon as possible so i should just look at the speaker about the speaker and an led speaker and led for locating transmitter transmitter when we thought about that if we do end up to market this to television manufacturers then the transmitter could actually be built into the television we are also getting the external power source yeah that is quite true and something that we can easily be adopted at the last minute as well i would say the electronics can be either placed externally or internally it makes no different to the final product of the actual remote control so that is good it gives us a new potential market ok i think i mean if we get a major television manufacturer to say 0 yeah we will have that save us the bother then that is vast amounts of sales quinkly one thing we have almost not talked about at all my apologies for that user interface we also need to maybe get the slogan in here it is i am pointing at my laptop what in god real reaction and such so as long as you put the fashion in electronics is not it my apologies no it could well be i have probably missed that i think that is almost the last minute thing we can just incorporate into the actual plastic on top so i am not too concerned that we have not gone into depth about that but it might be something you could consider when we are thinking about shapes in fact we might like to put a slogan on and possibly 2 r is to signify the company rather than real action i thought the double r could perhaps be the interval sounds good and i would save that that is us for now okay