okay welcome to the detailed design meeting again i am going to take minutes 0 we are going to have a prototype presentation 1st who is going to give the prototype presentation you 2 guys yes okay go ahead coffee kay we have made a prototype we have got our aspects from the last meeting especially we looked at the form material and the color we have drawn here the p prototype the logo is is is pretty obvious to see on the on the remote control but it is necessary when you want to build your company f to a level higher our interface elements there are shown in the in the drawing maybe you can point them the functions well the all the functions are discussed i think the most of the functions are obvious it is a little bit power button then the the the 9 channels the volume at the side and the other side is the programs and then we had just 2 buttons we place them in the middle the menu and for the teletext i thought that was th 0 no the the the mute button misses now alright i 0 the mute button do y do you did we want to have a m mute button yeah but that it is here then in the middle yeah alright and you got to point out which is the volume button and which is the program button huh yes we have disk well yeah mo mo yeah well most of them are right handed yeah but you you got to make it clear on the on most of the users yes y there there will be a p a little a little p on that and a little yeah yeah well i do not have time in anymore on the yeah and a and a triangle on that 0 yeah just progr program above i think yes next to that i kinda miss a 0 actually wait there is was one thing i wanted to ask there are different ways for remote controls to do like d i call it teens and 20s y th th th the 2 numbers yes all n no that is kinda dependent on the television yeah true yeah it is a television yes yeah but do we have do we need extra buttons for example some some have to i think so i think yes yes you have you have a lot of standard buttons that has to be on it th with the one and a double yes yeah i think you should add 0 a cross or whatever may maybe here yeah but you do not you do not actually need them yeah line becau b l a lot of remote controls work that y when y that you when you fir you push the 11st yeah then you have a couple of seconds no i do not think so and then a 2nd no that is dependent on the television yes you have televisions then you have to you know you have to press i do know so is it depending on television nah i do not think so really because you have a i know some remote controls that do not have these buttons yeah but you still can know obviously you can still select the 20 a number in the 20 or in the 10 yes but but a lot yes but no remote control nowadays are they come with the television or actually the other way around but no i think i really think it is n because you can when when you put a button on it with like one and then a dash yeah it is the same thing as when you just push the one because it i it 1st gives you the functionality of that that separate button you also had to apply yes but yeah well but su if some televisions do not accept that that yeah because that is i it is for television it is exact the same thing no no but s no no no so some television respond differently look if i i no listen listen when you push the button the remote control gives a signal i in th in the 1st place it gives a signal which it would also send when you put a separate button on it yes yes that is true the one with dash that signal gi and when y whe when you do not push another button on the remote control within 5 seconds then the remote control gives a signal for channel one yeah true no i think it works that way really no it it it works if you have not got a special button for it if you push a one then on your television there will appear a one and a a line which is an empty space yeah but it is exact the same that w would appear when you put a separate button push a separate button yes but some some old televisions you have to click on a special button then you go to a a next level you can push 2 buttons yeah but you do not underst you do not understand my point yep true i think it is exact the same thing when y you want yes but some television do not support it no but then they would a would also support that button because it is the same thing but the ex listen with that that is that special but button you are talking about eh that is just a signal to recei ju they send a t signal to the v tv t v that they have to put a one in on your screen and a dash which you can pu so you can still put another number on it when you do not have that separate button and you push y one it is exactly the same thing do y you the remote control gives that same signal as it would give when you only had no s some some televisions need the input 1st and and you c no a remote can yeah yes so they need no they need but you give the input you push the one that is the same thing as the button with the one and it yes it it is no that is not true it is simply not true think about it it is simply not true yeah no but you you can wai when you push the one you can show on the telly a one and just a dash and it is the same thing what happens and a g remote control gives another signal after 5 seconds that is just one and then wait 2 seconds or something no remote control does not give signal after 5 seconds remote control is a stupid thing if you push a button it sends it immediately to to the television yeah that is true yeah but i m but it is i i know for sure that some televisions that w th th the remote control supplied yeah it only ha has the c these buttons with a one and a dash and a 2 and a dash but when you use a bu a n remote control that does not sport these buttons it still works but okay we we will impl no definitely not we will discuss them in the usability lab definitely not no we will apply them then for now eva evaluation i do not know i do not know if if it is it is necessary yeah app just apply them next to the 0 the one and the 2 yeah yeah i think so yeah for now if we do not know for sure whether okay and the button for the scart audio video external input yes ach yeah but okay you can access that via 0 and then minus i guess what i said about the remote control sending another signal that that might not be true yeah yeah but i still think i it it all t v s in some ways support it i do not know no no i think it is more c is m maybe we do not we both do not really understand how it i how it really works but i think there is more to in than wha than what you just said remote control sends one signal at one button press i do think that m t v s support mur multiple kind of remote controls some n some televisions when when you want to go further than 10 m th will not work wi with to have that special button no you have to you have to give the television 2 or more signals when you press one button you give one signal and the older televisions need more signals to go a level higher but yep okay well we will see when you make the technology that that it will give more signals it could work but just a basic idea of of of the most most y most common and simple operations on the remote okay i kinda miss the docking station yeah yes it is here on the well it yeah there is nothing i think it is pretty basic we came the the there is no fu there is one there is one button that is wha there is there is there is one function and that is n the one button when you want to find it yes no nothing really trendy about it but maybe we can maybe we can make the docking station a bit standard for for the other products we sell the button because real real reaction sells more products than only remote controls yep so maybe we can use the docking station for example m p 3 players or or hearing devices i think that is very difficult because of different shapes of devices yes but when you put that same volt voltages on it you can put when the when the when 0 the the the lowest part of it yeah of course when it is 0 the same as the other products you can put it all on the same well it it got it it has got to fit into the shape of course yes but we can make the technology and the voltage can be the same that is that is true but i if you all make the m having a bottom like this then they all fit no we can make make the most lowest part all the same yeah that is true but when when the the recharger has a has a bit what points out we can place all on top of it yes but i i g just have to be big enough for the biggest should not it fall then it is not going to fall down that is a bit yeah i think no when you make it large enough no it it will not but then it is a little bit no but if if like this i will i will point it out if you got a a a base a base like this i will not draw it really but it is just an idea if you got a base which is as big as this but it is flat it is flat as as this so we can p make all the products as flat as this you can yeah sure but if you got if you got a tiny player it can but i i i it is backwards yes but when you make a bit of big but it is it is backwards it is leaning it is leaning backwards i think in the in the docking station yeah wha what you could do if you from the bottom 0 right help that is text but you could make like a hole in it you know of in in the yes little holer littler little products go deeper in it yeah that i that is possible yep well let us ha let us talk about the docking station later because maybe we have we have to consider the docking station anyway yeah sure you are right because we have some cost issues still to come yes and 0 but we have to look n i do not know the f the look and feel would be great on this remote control i do not like the colors because you always will pick up the remote control in the in the smallest area yeah then your left thumb of your right thumb is near the program button which is the most common used function and all the other buttons are available for your thumb so it is it is it is really good design okay yeah yes alright that is it yes on the side there will be a strip of rubber and in the middle there is a hard a hard material a bit hard plastic with a light behind it the light okay and other lights i think added lights are going to be a problem too yes we can make also n neon lights on it or or the buttons that can make light on it no 0 on the on the front yeah okay maybe the the logo yes lights but it will also use batteries and do we want to yeah why not of course okay for now this is is good enough okay yeah what was on the the all the aspects of the interface buttons were okay but in the 0 yeah the color because we are going to use one color for the the plastic enclosure and one color for the rubber is not it yes then we are going to do the buttons in the i are we are going to have rubber buttons and they are be a they will be in the same color as the rubber on the side yes yeah in the same color as the side yeah yeah i think i think that will be good okay yeah and i think we should use a a darker color for the plastic and maybe some more m brighter and flashy stuff yeah yes maybe we can use on the on the lights on the side we can use multiple lights so it will yes yeah we will talk about the lights later yes cause i also don yeah it is depends on the costs and such yep yeah but and we have to agree upon the exact colors but may i dunno if that is important but we will talk about that later okay for now this is this is okay we will the next p y you going to give a presentation too i have to see the agenda well yeah i i am going to do something right there yeah no detail design we got to do that on the right the most right most screen because the leftmost evaluation criteria yep that is me okay okay alright i will be needing that image so leave it please go away right we are going to evaluate that design according to a few points we g the 4 of us are going to do that together i want to have a color over here come on right the remote is not ugly a bit weird sentence but the positive things has to be on the left so i said not ugly instead of ugly what would you say we we got to give points to to all of these to evaluate that design and please forget the drawing skills of these guys okay the remote control is not ugly how do you feel yeah i think 4 maybe would be appropriate because it is yeah maybe it really depends on taste i mean it is kind of our design it is so if maybe a lot of people find it really ugly you know 0 other people find it really cool yes yeah background color i do not know or i do not know how you how do you guys feel i think i think the the fronts will give it a more less uglier side casting yeah because you can make it in your own yes you can make it in your own the different designs yes yeah okay more to your own personality or or house style yeah but we d we did not we are we are not planning to use fronts i believe no not not fronts but different designs with a color a co a colors no not fronts different designs yes 0 okay and that is still yeah is is is a little personal touch i guess different colors maybe yeah okay but 0 maybe we should do 3 or something that w you know our what yeah wha wha what would you guys think or 40 yeah personally personally we can make it a one yes but what is it i think 2 or 3 guido yeah i agree 2 or 3 i i go for the positive i was so i go for 2 i was thinking about 3 so i guess i was thinking about 4 so i think 3 is 3 is a bit 0 what am i doing okay 3 i will mark it the remote control is that n makes zapping easy yeah yeah well let that let us make that a one yes 2 yeah one one antek you agree yes okay yeah i will i will agree yes yeah that is one thing for sure you are not antek i am the i am the usability so i totally agree the remote control the remote control is relevant buttons are prominently visible yes yeah yeah 2 or a one i guess the it is something we really put work into yeah i yeah i would say a one because every button is relevant it is all about the buttons and our 0 yeah it is a b yeah yeah alright that is a one you agree yeah the remote control has not got too much redundant or unneeded buttons i think we totally succeeded there but well well maybe a 2 because of the menu button or something 0 yeah well menu yeah maybe yeah that is true and telete that is true also the the the buttons of the one the 2 the the digits 0 they are used yeah we do not know if the they are necessary the the yeah m well you d you have got a point i think a 2 yeah true can yes 32 yeah i agree came a long way but not we did not not 2 or 3 2 2 but you can not make a remote control without them because antek because we got nay that that that is true that is true they are definitely needed no w w it can also always be more simplistic but 2 is yeah so we put it on a 2 yes the remote control has got a really trendy look yes a one maarten yeah a t i think a 2 well yeah yeah y i it is hard to say from this picture yeah we we have tried to make it the the best trendy look ever yeah ever yeah guido but i do think it is more i will i will make it a 3 because yeah i i th but i do think that it is more trendy than beautiful yeah i agree yes so so i think maybe it has to score higher on this than on the i agree yeah true yeah i was planning to give it a 2 where i give the not ugly 0 yeah that is true a th a 3 you agree on the 2 yeah yes i i when you compare to the great remote control has not got too much redundant or unneeded buttons what is the difference with i copied that one well forget that okay go away remote control has got innovative technology implanted no no no we are not well maybe the the the on the side no not l c d so yeah but we you mean the rubber stuff yeah and the light yeah but we have t we have to talk about the lights and the light maybe but that that is not innovative but and i do not u also it is also really not innovative it is more well i g lights lights are it is not 7 no 6 well 6 or 7 maybe yeah no 6 6 or 6 why why not a 7 6 yeah mine is 7 because we have tried to make it a little bit innovative but it but it yeah how it is depends on the on the maybe with the lights it it is it is kind of future no i think i think actually it is a 7 maybe but there is nothing innovative about it yeah you think the lights are innovative well it is n true i agree m but but still you can retrieve it when it is when it has gone with the with innovative in generally or just f original for i will yeah you you did not draw the docking station yes n no no t yeah it it is i think i think with its the docking station is a is a little bit innovative a docking station is innova yeah i mean the dock station but but i think the the docking station it is going to be a kind of a problem it is a part of the remote i think more m okay and with the speaker on the there is also a speaker but that that is n well let us leave it open for for us later to see what because we have to reevaluate anyway well i i yeah okay no no well the agenda says evaluate now so i think we okay for now it is a 6 or a 7 sev 6 maybe because it is it is a 6 6 but the retrieval or the that m f yeah for the retrieval function yeah but i do not i do not know if it is very inno yeah yeah i think that is very innovative for a remote control yes how would you innovate a remote control more yeah v yeah more through like function t v functionalities and no no you know what i mean to put it on your head you have must be innovative technology for remote controls but more in how you control stuff not in how you find your yeah yeah sure but yeah it is that is that is think about it la later on and but i d i definitely do not think it is a 5 but remote control is easy to use yeah as a a one or a 2 ma at least yes yeah a 2 yes i think a 2 yeah yeah it is good more 2 come on the remote control has not got no i would have seen that one before 0 you skipped one i have just filled here go away you like the buttons i found 12 questions so much but it still is 10 remote control will be bought by it will be bought by people under the age of 40 yes yeah yes definitely in in and comparing with people of th of the age above well no no no just in general no just if they if they buy it yeah a 2 we do not know yeah but i think i think 2 but yeah what do you think yeah i think 2 yeah i agree antek 2 yes 2 but only in c when you compare it with with elderly that is not the question no that is no comparison it is just w it will be bought by people under 40 yeah you can yeah you can be very picky about it and i do not mean 2 people this is just guessing ah yeah just make it we will make it a 2 make it a 2 w w when it succeeds it can get a 2 mu right the rem the remote control has recognizable corporate image color logo or slogan 0 no yeah yeah you have make an slogan is quite obvious we do not have the slogan though 0 the slogan 0 the 0 sorry no not not the slogan can we see the slogan the logo yeah you can put that on the side if if we would like to a logo underneath it or something yes encrypted with yeah and i will i th still think it is going to be a 2 or a 3 are we going to do that a 3 maybe a 3 this time 3 yeah a 3 yes 3 i agree because of the slogan remote control has got a basic design intended for novice users and it is a one or a 2 yeah 2 yes 2 yeah make it a 2 2 2 alright we got to add up the scores now to see our total average 4579 forget that 1517212426 26 it is a 26 it is not that bad alright we yeah yeah and that is mostly the inno when we score higher on innovative technology we would score 2 yeah which is quite a great score true okay this is was the evaluation this was my evaluation because i i still think that the most important part of this meeting still has so we did a pretty nice job until now yeah is this your is there something after this meeting whatever well i think we got to fill out another questionnaire or no okay okay yeah still opened or yeah yeah okay finance because shoot i received a spreadsheet a 5 a 5 yeah but i actually do not need this presentation i guess 0 does not matter i am going to open the spreadsheet and we are going to work this out together because i did not really fin i have a did not really finish it well we we will see we will stumble upon some problems we probably will i probably have already opened it here try it again 1st of all the all the docking station and costs and such are not included in this list but let us let us saint start with beginning we include one battery i i i will explain its the the components are listed over here price is given we yeah we we indicate the amount of components of the specif specific component how much we need of them the amount yeah and then we will calcula do not watch the number yet i do not know if it is filled in properly okay we need one battery one battery i think one battery is enough yes we do not need kinetic solar cells hand dynamo a s okay this this is a p 1st problem i think we should know how many simple chips regular chips it is it is 11 chip but but you have to choose one from it okay but the simple chip is e enough i i think but with the lights with the lights and the retrieval it can be i do not know where did we find this information i have not got an idea on on which we need to use really was it no i i think it was your job in the 1st meet no f your 1st presentation to make this clear but then you had some t time problems yeah yes my my my but do you th you do you know what chip we need the the email i got said simple chip but when we put in the speaker and the retriever device yeah it will cost a a bit more like i think the advanced chip maybe and how do you know i mean you got that email bec no the they did not know about a retriever or a speaker in it did it point out what to use them for maybe you can look it up right now okay but okay when we do not when we leave the retriever and such aside what then it would be a simple chip then it is a simple chip and with the retriever it would be an advanced chip yes i i i s i alright well point out the advanced chip for now i guess okay that will be enough for future recommendations yeah but it will it will it will be cause a lot of problems the sample sensor sample speaker what is it m is that the speaker we were t i do not know what it is i do not know it either i do not know okay we went for the double curved case yes made out of plastic and rubber and with a special color i guess that is what we were well special color yeah i do not know about the special color but i think w otherwise you get a standard plastic color i do not know if it is very special i do not yeah i think we we have special colors okay standard rubber alright that is okay okay then the push button i was just counting them saint i think you have to indicate the amount of push buttons we want to use is not it whoa it is a little yes well that is bit of a problem because i re but i really do not understand that because i can imagine a remote control with far more push buttons that is huge and it would not be possible according to this sheet no we have the simplest buttons no no it is only when you use push buttons it will cost that much yeah i do not think so because it says amount if you use a scroll wheel ah yeah it would not the the the yellow row is the amount of fill in the number of components you plan to use in the and the total cost i do not know maybe it is the kind of push buttons i you can have f 4 kind of push buttons rubber one til 9 you can have is that one or is that 9 buttons and i count them like this 123456789101112 and 13 yeah because 0 this is 0 this is one okay 12 okay then it would be 18 because i rated them as to n that is total of 4 buttons as separate buttons different yes yes and plus these 2 f plus the mute button and it is will be 18 i think that 18 12345 si why is that so expensive yeah i do not understand y i do i do not get the point because it is would be s relatively so expensive just these m small buttons is it cents the the the ¢50 a button ¢50 for one single stupid button so whe when you so then it no way well okay well well let us make it just one it is 80% of the price of the of the amount of here now it is now it is already s shall we just yeah exactly yeah give our own interpretation to because else we would really have a problem it would be impossible to make it i can not i i i could not understand it if it was ¢50 per per button it is way when you have the same amount of button you have to put in wi in your carton really board and and less buttons than this is not possible yeah yeah and then throw it this is the most simple yeah it is possible but i have never seen one before no no no but whe i have seen 11 remote control with only the pu yeah only with page up page down and volume but but no really yeah without the numbers that is possible yeah yeah we could skip the numbers yeah but i d i would not want to own that really that is still 4 it is it is still for little children they can handle that remote control but but it is not fo yeah then teletext would also be im impossible yes it is for it is li it is just for a little yeah that is no option that is no option okay we will we will just okay but then still when we there is no room for a docking station or something tha w le let us see th we have 0 yeah button supplements we will give the buttons special color we will give them a special form i think we should mark the special form thing because it this will be some special forms incorporated in these big buttons i guess a special color why a special color because the buttons will be d will be matching color between the buttons and the rubber surroundings but wha what s what special otherwise it i think that is the what they mean by a special color okay yeah otherwise it would be the i do not think the special form is really true yeah i think all the special color things have to be marked over here because that is what we were planning to do making it special form also it says yeah special material r also because i has rubber is it and the buttons have to be rubber what is the normal material yeah i dunno plastic sh yeah plastic i think classic plastic plastic 0 plastic kay but the problem now is that the there is no such thing as a docking station in this list but we can all imagine that it would be impossible to make a docking station for ¢30 yeah but we can sell the remote control and sell the docking station yes separately se no no no and and but we do not have to tell it but what we can say of can almost make it impossible to buy a remote control without the docking station yeah yeah yeah but i do like the idea but we yeah it but it then the docking station is not relevant for this project anymore but we can but then you still have to use we have to find out what chip we u need no no but you otherwise you can not retrieve it yeah i really do not get it i mean if it is a simple chip then we suddenly got €230 i think we can agree on this i i think the special color thing has to be marked cause i think we yeah i think that is what what what they mean yeah yep but for €230 we we do not get a docking station i think so too 0 i do not know but can we find out about this chips because when we do not need a d a docking station then probably we also have only we also need a simple chip and then we can get a docking station and maybe then we can do something extra for 0 n 0 still 0 it is going to get more expensive with 2 then we have some money left we can put then for €2 we can put a scroll wheel on it or something why yeah well who knows i mean i i if you if it would cost €2 that had a total a total thing or a little bit of tin titanium it would be nice too i mean we are not going to add a trip to hawaii to it but what what can we do yeah or we can ki do the kinetic cells that is also maybe an idea but what can we do with the simple chip and what is difference with a regular chip and a advanced chip yeah that is what then what he has to find out maybe you can find it in your email right now then we know then we exactly know what it will cost us if if i maybe is that that is nice to know regular chip and because we do not have special functions to use in advanced chip for example yeah bu bu but when we yeah but when we skip when we when we do not use the do we are not going to make the docking station i like the hand dynamo part then we still yeah we need something else maybe to make it kind of special because that was our our special feature we can make a plain docking station for €2 yeah we will go back tomorrow i mean yeah okay you can also do that but maybe wi wi without recharge it still is a special remote control cons you know wi its form is special and material yeah but but we can make a docking station for €2 if you do not put the recharge function in it i mean it has a shape yeah but for €2 then we have still maybe we have to use the advanced chip then €2 is not even possible of course it has a shape but i i why should that not be possible yeah then because then we would ¢30 left no for for the for the docking station if you do if you choose the simple chip yeah but yeah i do not know because maybe d yeah we have to find out with the simple chip that is the question if we do i do we need an advanced chip or is it okay f yes yeah and w and and we need f and what is this it is not in my information so i do not know it either sample sensor sample speaker it is not in my information i i i have got a schematic view of the remote control but nothing about advanced chips or you can look at it for s presentation s technical functions no i have got here in i will put a i will put a page on it no no they were mine yeah 0 when my mouse works again 000 hey 0 my mouse is dead yes reanimate it 0 died ah i have got it i will put my email on the the network what the hell are these it is on it 0 whatever yeah it is open i do not think here it is in here already it is circuit board it is only just basics for for it is nothing about s yeah yes at the end circuit there is an infrared led this is not helpful no but i in the presentation of yours there was also something about different components which one was it components design functional requirements no that was my presentation components design maybe yes that was mine n on top ah ah yes it was the 2nd one but that was my 2nd yeah it was your 2nd your 1st presentation it is already open it is at the bottom working design sorry it is at your task bar yeah but it is the the other one 0 was it working design or components design this is n this is not this n that is not the right one sorry i do not 0 okay sorry no this is the other one or maybe something is maybe there is something abo in in these chip set but this is the same this is 0 only the possibilities here yeah we can use a simple a regular or advanced chip yeah nice the display requires an advanced chip i it does not say anything you know that a push button requires a simple chip but a scroll wheel it it me requires okay so we only need a simple chip ah okay requires with the light little lights yeah but that that is just the same as the the led no no that is just a simple chip that is not needed a scroll wheel it s only states that a scroll wheel requires a regular chip and that a display requires an advanced chip so we do not need any of them a display is of course for showing letters l c d for showing text yeah i do not think that just a l a little light no i think the normal simple chip will be okay yeah i agree and what is the sample sensor slash sample speaker maybe you can say against the remote page f page up page down yeah yeah i guess so too yeah true next channel well that is not too what we want no well we might want it but okay all in €12 back to the costs yeah €1250 so we are going to use the simple chip so simple chip is okay great delete yeah and the lights where are the lights yeah lights yeah there is no well there are 3 i guess category nah there is some money left to be spent can we do it wi within €22 i think we can make a docking station okay but what we have to think about now is that is is it still a special remote control yeah but i mean it is not it has not got any innovative technology we are not going to apply any innovated innovative te technology anyway i think i do not i do not see any possibility to do so because it would would not fit our defi design philosophy but it is original but what w is there some extra maybe i think maybe the kinetic thing is something no that is true instead of the rechargeable the rechargeable thing was something to know so y so people would not have to worry about their batteries anymore m bu maybe we if we put the kinetic thing in it but but sometimes you put a yeah you leave the p yeah i know but still i they will think about that i mean if you u kinetics are not nowadays only used in watches and that is because you are always walking the it is made for s people well the they do not if it was r useless technology they would not put it as a possibility solar cells are useless and i it it th th the the target the target group are people who zap regularly and throw with their remote control as a matter of speaking or the hand dynamo dynamo yeah because i think it when when there w was a remote control where it was useful to have a kinetic power source then it would be this one because it is one it gets thrown around thrown around a lot and it gets used a lot hey that maybe that is cool that is a cool thing about it you know yeah but but if we ca you do not use batteries i have never seen it before in a remote control i do not know if but then we could make a docking station 5 minutes no we we we can not make a docking station anyway that is not true yeah we can als or also m we we can make one we can still make we can make a docking station for 230 wow w why no li look at now we got 2 230 fo for a docking station 230 left we can make a docking station ca can not we make a docking station of that sure with a cable with buttons on it with retrieval device in it sure i do not know the power device is is i i is very cheap that is just a regular power cable and whatever yeah but be serious then the docking station will be a 5th of the price of the remote control wi with a button to well we we so wi with a button to retrieve it so it will beep so it is wireless technology yeah yeah but we we do not inc we have not looked at the these costs of the speaker and other stuff i do not think it is realistic for you to do so well then it is a useless project look at the case the case the case of of of 0 because we yeah then we do not have any innovation things we well look at all the special stuff we have color a the colors are special the form is special it th this is whole concept can not we maybe it with the kinetic thing i think we could do do a compromise with the kim kinetic thing can not we say €15 no no sta yeah i mean no then we have to sell it for €30 no no we only make less profit of it it is the you can sell for 275 then you make as much profit as you would with 125 production costs no yeah i don my suggestion is to just forget about the whole docking station thing and make it like a i i i i still fee i also feel this concept of making it kinetic because of the you know it g it gives something dynamic to the remote control i do not think maybe we can can do it both maybe we can do it both in the in the in the remote battery and kinetic no no that would not n no 1320 yeah and it is also not a good it is not you have to really do it only kinetic you do not want it to think about batteries anymore and i think only yes but when it is then when it then you have to shake it and all when it is when it is empty yeah but only kinetic then you got to no no yeah it is great you you got to throw throw it through the room like 20 times an hour really no no no no no this is very sophisticated technology technology when you use it your remote like once a day or maybe even less i i it you asked for 3 d no that is n that is not true a watch is kinetic because you walk all the time no it we can make it yeah no becau be but a remote control gets why do they state that this technology can be used if it yes solar cells are also stated yeah m but a w n a calculator also works on r on solar cells why do not we use solar cells then because i think the d whole dynamic part do you know appeals to me qui thinking of our design philosophy you know with the rubber parts and sturdiness of the thing and y when you move it around a lot then people find the idea funny that when i move my remote control around and that is true yeah it is funny for a week i guess something like that where you have to move it around very frequently is demotivating yeah but you do not have to trust me the idea of this technology is that you do not think about it it just happens no i i do not move my my remote control very much seriously okay then we d okay well y we do not have to do it but what that would just have a lack of key features you know oui you m have to put something on your box you have to make people buy it and we can really can do the docking thing it is not yeah we can do it but it is would be a easy way out you can do it for ¢50 well we have got more than ¢50 the c the case the case alone is is is okay but we have to grou to agree upon something because we only have a minute left or so the case alone for remote control is at least one then we have one 30 for the whole docking station no no it is not possible okay w b we can s we can leave it on be well then then th it is this is then then our concept is ready cheap remote control yeah we make some extra profit of it yeah no we will not but that is something else but now it w it will not tell but no this not going to sell huh any ideas no of course not no n no great it is great yeah we just have to go all what we did today again our remote control you have to do it over we come back tomorrow okay yeah no no there is still there is still someth concept and something special left yes the €70 i mean we are going to it is going to excel in in on in the the range in the field of design and and looks and feel no but no that is what it is makes it special yeah and i would li i would have liked a kinetic part as well to give it some just to give it some extra special feature and i know it will work but it is it is an they are they are not putting technologies on this but if it if it was impossible to to make it happen why not a hand dynamo then okay well we leave it like this then it is c then we are yeah yeah yeah we can not do anything else warning finish meeting now we are done okay project e well we were going to what look take a look at the last sheet is this it yeah sure okay no we can not yeah we have to yeah it is no yes yes yes celebration i do not see why but where is the champagne i think we got to fill out another questionnaire to be honest yeah i do not hear a bell no not yet alright i will see you guys in a minute we can do it here then bye i do not think so can we can not we do it here i do not know i do not i do not think so huh just fill that one in yeah we are doing now but it is 0 okay i do not know nice
they are going to be able to be so you know they are not going to be it he is not no no no no i can not make this no you can fill in your questionnaire 0 yeah i am not going to power by set all right they will know it there is a little sign on it little round with a line okay is not it nice yeah okay welcome to the details okay welcome to the detailed design meeting again i am going to take minutes we are going to have a prototype presentation 1st who is going to give the prototype presentation you 2 guys okay go ahead do i help yeah come come okay i am going to all my coffee okay we have made a prototype we have got our aspects from the last meeting especially we looked at the form material and the color we have drawn here the prototype the logo is it is pretty obvious to see on the remote control but it is necessary when you want to build your company to a level higher our interface elements are shown in the drawing maybe you can point them well all the functions are discussed are discussed i think the most of the functions are obvious is a little bit power button then the the 9 channels the volume at the side and the other side is the programs and then we had just the 2 buttons we place them in the middle the menu and for the teartite text no the mute button misses now 0 the mute button it is in the middle all right and you got to point out which is the volume button and which is the program button well most of them are right handed but you got to make it clear on the yes there will be a little i do not have time anymore a little p on it yeah and a triangle on that yeah well next to that i kind of is 0 actually this was one thing i wanted to ask there are different ways for remote controls to do like i call it teens and 20s the 2 numbers now that is a television kind of dependent on the television yeah but do we have do we need extra buttons for example yeah you have a little yes you have a little of standard buttons that has to be on it i think you should add one and a double yeah but you do not actually need them a lot of remote controls work that you when you push the 11st then you have a couple of seconds no i do not think so yes you have televisions then you have to press no i do not think so really because you have a i know some remote controls that do not have these buttons but you still can you know obviously you can still select the 20 the 20 number in the 20 or in the 10 yes but remote control nowadays are they come with the television or actually the other way around no i think i really think it is because you can when you put a button on it with like one and then a dash it is the same thing as when you just push the one because it 1st gives you the functionality of that that separate button you also had to apply some televisions do not accept that yeah because they it is for television it is exactly the same thing no no no no no some television respond differently no listen listen when you push the button the remote control gives a signal in the 1st place it gives a signal which it would also send when you put a separate button on it yes the one with dash that signal gives and when you do not push another button on the remote control within 5 seconds then the remote control gives a signal for channel one now i think it works that way no it works if you have not got a special button for it if you push a one then on your television there will appear one and a line yeah but it is exactly same it would appear when you put a separate button some old televisions you have to click on a special button then you go to a next level you can push 2 buttons yeah but you do not understand my point i think it is exact the same thing yes but some televisions do not support it no but then they will also support that button that button because it is the same thing listen that is that special button where you are talking about it is just a signal to the tv and they send a signal to the tv that they have to put a one on your screen and a dash which you can put so you can still put another number on it when you do not have that separate button and you push you one it is exactly the same thing the remote control gives that same signal as it would give some televisions need the input 1st yeah but you give the end input you do the one that is the same thing as the button with the one and yes it is think about it it is simply not true you can when you push the one you can show on the telly a one and just a dash and it is the same thing where it happens and remote control gives another signal after 5 seconds that is just one no remote control does not give signal after 5 seconds remote control is a stupid thing if you push a button it sends it immediately to the television i know for sure that some televisions that the remote control control supplied only as the buttons with the one and a dash and a 2 in a dash but when you use a remote control that does not support these buttons it is still worse but okay we are really not well that is definitely not in the usability lab no we will apply them then from now i do not know i do not know if if it is supply them next to the 0 the one and the 2 yeah i think so for now if we do not know for sure where yeah okay and the button for the scarred audio video external input you can access that via 0 what is it about the remote control sending another signal that might not be true but i still think old tvs in some way support it i do not know no no i think it is more it is maybe we both do not really understand how it is that really works but i think there is more to it and remote control sends one signal at one button press i do think that tv support multiple kind of remote controls some televisions when you want to go further than 10 the one work no you have to you have to give television 2 or more signals when you press one button you give one signal and the older televisions need more signals to go level higher but yeah okay well when you make the technology that that it will give more signals it could work it is just the basic idea of the most common and simple operations on the remote i kind of missed a docking station yeah yes it is here on the 0 well yeah there is nothing we came i think it is pretty basic there is no nothing really funny about it that is one function and that is the one button but maybe we can one to find it maybe we can make the docking station a bit standard for the other products we sell because real reaction sells more products than only remote controls so maybe we can use the docking station for example mprd players or hearing devices i think that is very difficult because of different shapes of yes but when you put the same voltage on it you can put yes of course when the lowest part of it when it is the same as the other products you can put it all on the same well it has got to fit into the shape of course yes but we can make the technology and the voltage can be the same that is true but if you all make them having a bottom like this no we can make make the most lowest part all the same yeah that is true but when when the the recharger has a as a bit with points out we can place all on top of it yes must have to be big enough for the biggest fall then it is not it going to fall down that is a bit no when you make it large enough it will not but then it is a little bit like this i will point it out if you got a but it is just an idea it is like this i will not roll but if you got a base which is as big as this it is flat so we can make all the products as flat as this yeah sure but if you got a tiny player it can yes but when you make a bit of a big low it is leaning it is leaning backwards i think yeah in the if you have from the bottom 0 right help but you could make like a hole in it you know yes little holer little projects go deeper in it well let us talk about the docking station later because maybe we have to consider the docking station anyway because we have some cost issues still to come we will have to look the look and feel would be great on this remote control because you always will you will will you always will pick up the remote control in the smallest area then your left thumb of your right thumb is near the program button which is the most common used function and all the other buttons are available for your thumb so it is a really good design yes all right but that is it yes on the side there will be a strip of rubber and in the middle there is a hard material hard plastic with light behind it okay and other lights yes we can make also neon lights on it or the buttons that can make lights on it maybe the logo yes but it will also use batteries and do we want to okay for now this is good enough okay yeah what was on the did all the aspects of the interface buttons were okay but 0 yeah the color because we are going to use one color for the plastic enclosure and one color for the rubber yes and we are going to do the buttons and we are going to have rubber buttons and there be in the same color as the rubber on the side yeah i think that would be good i think we should use a darker color for the darker color for the plastic and maybe some more brighter and fleshy yes maybe we can use on the lights on the side we can use multiple lights so it will yeah we will talk about the lights later because i also it depends on the costs and such and we have to agree upon the exact colors but i do not know if that is important but we will talk about that later okay for now this is okay you are going to give a presentation too i have to see the general yeah i am going to do something right there detail design we have got to do that on the right most screen because the left most evaluation criteria yeah that is me okay okay all right i will be needing that image so leave it please  go away right we are going to evaluate that design according to a few points the 4 of us are going to do that together i want to have a color over here come on right remote is not ugly a bit weird sentence but the positive things has to be on the left so i said not ugly instead of ugly what would you say we have got to give points to all of these to evaluate that design and please forget the drawing skills of these guys the remote controls not ugly how do you feel i think form maybe would be appropriate because it is maybe it really depends on taste i mean it is kind of dairy our designs yes so maybe a lot of people find it really ugly and other people find it really cool i do not know i do not know how you how do you guys feel i think the france will give it a more less uglier side because you can make it in your own yes you can make it in your own yeah okay more to your own personality or house style we did not we are not planning to use france i believe no not france but different designs and that is still yeah it is a little personal touch i guess well maybe we should do 3 or something in our what would you guys personally personally we can make it a one yes but what is it i think 2 or 3 gidele i agree 2 or 3 i was i go for the positive so i go for the positive so i go for 3 positive so i go for 2 i was thinking about 3 i was thinking about 4 so i think 3 is a bit 0 what am i doing i will mark it the remote controls and then makes sapping easy yeah yeah well let us make it a one yeah one you agree okay yeah i agree that is one thing for sure i am not at the usability i totally agree the remote control the remote controls relevant buttons are prominently visible yes yeah 2 or one i guess it is something we really put work into yeah yeah i would say one because every button is relevant and they are all yeah it is yeah yeah all right that is one you agree yeah the remote control has not got too much redundant or unneeded buttons i think we totally succeeded there well maybe a 2 because of the menu or something also the buttons of the one the 2 the digits yeah we do not know if the they are not a point i think 2 yeah true yes 3 came a long way but not we did not not but you can not make a remote control without them because we know that that is true that is so they are definitely needed it can also always be more simplest put it on a tool yeah yes the remote control has got a really trendy look yes yes one martin i think 2 yeah it is hard to say from this picture yeah we have tried to make it the best training look ever ever gido but i do think it is more i will make it a 3 because but i do think that it is more trendy than beautiful yeah i agree so i think maybe it has to score higher on this i was planning to give it a 2 where i give the not ugly the 3 0 yeah that is true you agree on the 2 yeah when you compare to the great remote control has not got too much redundant or unneeded buttons what is the difference with i copied that one well forget that go away remote control has got innovative technology implanted no no no well maybe the the side yeah but we you know mean the rubber stuff yeah and the light yeah that is not innovative and i do not also is also really not in light it is not 7 no 6 or 7 maybe no 6 why not 7 yeah why not 7 yeah one is because we have tried to make it a little bit innovative but it but how it depends on the on the lights it is it is kind of future no i think i think actually it is a maybe but there is nothing innovative about it it is true i agree but still you can retrieve it when it is when it has gone with innovated in generally or just you did not draw the original for no no the docking station is yeah i mean a dog station but i think it is a part of the remote docking station is going to be a kind of a problem okay and when the speaker on that is also let us leave it open for for us later to see but because we have to reevaluate anyway well yeah well the agenda says evaluate now so i think okay for now it is a 6 or a 76 maybe but the retrieval or the yeah but i do not know if it is very i think that is very innovative for our remote control how would you innovate a remote control more yeah more through like tv functionality to put it on your head no no you know what i mean there must be innovative technology for remote controls but more in how you control stuff not in how you find your i definitely do not think it is a 5 let us think about it later on it remote control is easy to use yeah as a one or 2 at least i think a 2 yeah yeah that is good come on remote control has not got no i want to see that one before 0 you skipped one i have just filled go away you like the buttons i found 12 questions so much question so much but it still is still it will be bought by people under the age of 14 yeah definitely in comparing with people of the age of the age of no no just if they buy it we do not know yeah what do you think yeah i think too yeah i agree contact 2 but only when you compare it with elderly no there is no comparison it is just it will be bought by people under the 14 yeah you can be very and i do not need to just guessing we will make it too when it succeeds it can get it too right the remote control has recognizable corporate image color logo or slogan you do not have a slogan slogan is quite obvious 0 sorry no not the slogan you can put that on the side if we would like yes encrypted with i will i am going to do that i still think it is going to be 2 or 3 maybe 3 this time yeah 3 3 i agree because of the slogan indeed remote controls got a basic design intended for nova it is one or 2 yeah 2 2 yeah make it 2 all right we have got to add up the scores now to see our total average for 5 7 9 forget that 15 17 21 24 26 26 it is 26 it is not that bad yeah that is mostly the you know when we score higher on innovative technology we would score 2 yeah which is quite a great score okay this was the evaluation this was my evaluation because i i still think that the most important part of this meeting still has until now yeah is there something after this meeting well i think we have got to fill out another question now okay okay yeah yeah okay finance because i received a spreadsheet yeah but i actually do not need this presentation i guess does not matter i am going to open the spare sheet and we are going to work this out together because i did not really finish i did not really finish it but we will see we will stumble upon some problems we will probably will not i probably have already opened it here i will try it again 1st of all the docking station and costs and such are not included in this list but let us start with beginning we include one battery i will explain it the components are listed over here the price is given we indicate the amount of components specific component how much we need of them and then do not watch the number yet i do not know if it is filled in properly okay we need one battery one battery i think we do not need kinetic solar shot hand down ammo okay this is the 1st problem i think we should know how many simple chips regular chips it is one chip but what you have to choose one for me okay simple chip is enough i think but with the lights and the retrieval it can be where do we find this information i have not got an idea on which we need to use really i think it was your job in the 1st meet for your 1st presentation to make this clear but then you had some time problems but do you know what chip we need the email i got said a simple chip but when we put in the speaker and the retriever device it will cost a bit more like i think the advanced chip maybe and how do you know i mean you got that email that email did it point out maybe you can look it up right now they did not know about a retriever or speaker when we do not when we leave the retriever and such a side then it is a simple chip and with the retriever it would be an advanced chip yes i point out the advanced chip for now i guess that will be enough for future recommendations it will cause a lot of problems the sample sensor sample speaker is that the speaker is that the speaker or we were to i do not know what it is i do not know i do not know okay we went for the double curved case yes made out of plastic and rubber and with a special color i guess that is what we were well special color yeah i do not know about the special color otherwise you get a standard plastic color yeah i think we have special color standard rubber alright that is okay okay then the push button i was just counting them i think you have to indicate the amount of push buttons we want to use is not it 0 yes well that is a bit of a problem because that is huge but i really do not understand that because i can imagine a remote control with far more push buttons and it would not be possible according to this sheet no we have the simple buttons no it is only when you use push buttons it will cost that much i do not think so if you use a scroll wheel the yellow row is the amount the yellow row is the amount fill in the number of components you plan to use in the 5 and the total cost i do not know maybe it is the kind of push buttons you can have 4 kind of push buttons rubber one till 9 is that one or is that 9 and i count them like this 12345678910 1112 and 13 because 0 this is 0 this is one okay 12 okay then it will be 8 because i rated them as separate buttons yes yes and plus the mute button then it will be 18 18 one 2 3 4 5 why is that so expensive yeah i do not understand i do not get the point because it would be relatively so expensive just these small buttons is it sense the ¢50 a button so well let us make it just one it is 80% of the price of the now it is already yeah exactly sure we just give our own interpretation to it because else we would really have a problem it would be impossible to make it i could not understand it if it was ¢50 per a button when you have the same amount of button you have to put it in a carton and less buttons than this is not possible this is the most simple yeah it is possible but i have never seen one before i have seen one remote control yeah without the numbers yeah only with page up page down and volume yeah we could skip the numbers but i would not want to own that that is still for little children they can handle that remote control then teletext would also be impossible yes it is for it is just for a little okay we will just okay but then still when we there is no room for a docking station or something let us see we have a button supplements we will give the buttons a special color we will give them a special form i think we should mark the special form thing because this will be some special forms incorporated in these big buttons i guess special color because the buttons will be matching color between the buttons and the rubber surroundings i think that is what they mean by a special color i think all the special color things have to be marked over here because that is what we were planning to do making it special form also yeah special material also because there is rubber and buttons have to be rubber what is the normal material yeah i do not know classic i think classic classic 0 plastic okay but the problem now is that there is no such thing as a docking station in this list but we are not but we are not such thing as a docking station in this list but we are we can all imagine that it would be impossible to make a docking station for ¢30 but we can sell the remote control and sell the docking station separately yes but we do not have to tell it but what we can say can almost make it impossible to buy a remote control without a docking station yeah but i do like the idea but we yeah but then the docking station is not relevant for this project anymore no but you but then otherwise you can not we have to find out what chip we need yeah i really do not get it i mean if it is a simple chip i think we can agree on this i think the special color thing has to be marked because i think we yeah yeah i think that is what they but for €230 we do not get a docking station 0 i do not know but can we find out about the chips because when we do not need a docking station and probably we also have only we also need a simple chip and then we can get a and maybe then we can do something extra 0 it is going to get more expensive with a sim owner then we have some money left we can put for €2 we can put a scroll wheel on it or something yeah who knows why a little bit of titanium if it would cost €2 that had a total total thing and it would cost €2 it had a total thing and it would you know it would would be nice too i mean we are not going to add a trip to hawaii or we can we can do the kinetic cells that is also maybe an idea but what can we do with the simple chip what is different yeah that is what he has to find out maybe you can find it in your email right now then we know and we exactly know what it will cost us maybe that is nice to know regular chip because we do not have special functions to use a farm chip for example i like the hand dynamo parts but when we skip when we do not use the docking station then we still we need something else maybe to make it kind of special because that was our special future you can make a plane docking station for €2 we will go back tomorrow yeah okay you can also do that but without recharge it still is a special remote control because you know its form is special but we can make a docking station for €2 if you do not put the recharge function in it i mean it has a shape yeah but for €2 and we have still maybe we have to use the advanced chip then €2 is not even possible why should that not be possible yeah because then we ¢3 left now for the for the documentation if you choose a simple chip yeah but yeah i do not know because maybe yeah we will find out with question if we are doing do we need an advanced tip or is it in my what is this sample sample i do not know it is not in my information i i have got a schematic view of the remote control with nothing about advanced chips or let us look at it for presentation technical technical functions technical functions no i have got here and i will put a page on it when my mouse works again 0 0 0 hey my mouse is dead yes reanimated died i forgot it i will put my email on the network what the hell on these it is on it it is on it is open it is open it is open i do not think here is in here already there is only just something about at the end circle this is helpful there is an infrared lead and in the presentation of yours there was also something about different components which one was it components functional requirements no that was my presentation components design maybe yes that was mine yes it was the 2nd but that was my 2nd your 1st presentation it is at the bottom working design it is a task bar yeah but it is the other one 0 is it working design or components this is not the right one i do not okay sorry no this is another one maybe something is a maybe there is something about in these chipset this is the same this is all only the possibilities yeah yeah we can use a simple a regular or advanced chip yeah nice the display requires a file button requires a simple chip but a scroll wheel immediately requires okay so we only need a simple chip but the light little light yeah but that is just the same as the no this is the simple chip that is that need scroll wheel this only states that a scroll wheel requires a regular chip and that a display requires an advanced chip so we do not need any of them is of course for some letters for some text yeah i do not think that just a little light i think a normal simple chip yeah i agree and what is the sample sensor slash sample speaker maybe you can say against the remote page yeah page up page on i guess so too yeah that is not too what we want no well we might want it but okay all in €12 back to the costs yeah €1250 so we are going to use the simple chip great delete yeah and the lights where are the lights yeah there is no 0 they are free i guess category now there is some money left to be spent can we do it i think we can make a dark ne station okay but what we have to think about now is that is this still a special remote control i mean it has not got any innovative technology we are not going to apply any innovative technology anyway i think i do not see any possibility to do so because it would not fit our design philosophy but is there some extra maybe i think maybe the kinetic thing is something instead of the rechargeable thing was something to so people would not have to worry about their batteries anymore maybe if we put the kinetic thing in it but sometimes you put the yeah i know but still they will think about that i mean if you kinetics are nowadays only used in watches it is made for us people well they do not but if it was a useless technology they would not put it as a possibility a solar cell is useless the target group are people who zap regularly and throw with their remote control as a matter of speaking of because i think when there was a remote control where it was useful to have a kinetic power source then it would be this one because it is one that gets thrown around thrown around a lot and gets used a lot maybe that is a cool thing about it you know you do not use batteries i have never seen it before in a remote control i do not know then we can make a docking station 5 minutes no we can make a docking station anyway that is not true yeah we can also we can make one we can still make look at now we got 2 230 2 30 left can we make a docking station of that with a cable with buttons on it with retrieval device in it the power device is very cheap that is just a regular power cable be serious then the dogging station would be the 5th of the price of the remote control with a button to retrieve it so it will beep yeah so it is wireless technology we do not we have not looked at the discusses of the speaker and other stuff i do not think it is realistically to do so well then it is a useless project look at the case the case of then we do not have we look at all these special stuff we have the colors are special the form is special it is this whole concept and maybe with the kinetic thing i think we could do a compromise with the kinetic thing can we say €15 no no no then we have to sell it for €30 no no we only make less profit you can sell for 27 and a half then you make as much profit as you would with 125 production costs i do not know my suggestion is just forget about the whole docking station thing and make it like a i still feel i also feel this concept of making it kinetic because of the you know it gives something dynamic to the remote control maybe we can do it both can do it both in the remote battery and kinetic no no that would not no 1320 yeah it is also not a good it is not i think only kinetic you do not want to think about batteries anymore yes but when it is then you have to shake it and all when it is when it is empty you got it is great throw it through the room like 20 times an hour no no no this is very sophisticated tonight technology when you use your remote like once a day or maybe even less no that is not true a watch is kinetic because you walk we can make it yeah no because the remote control gets why do they state that this technology can be used as well as cells are also stated yeah but a calculator also works on solar cells you solar cells then because i think the whole dynamic part you know appeals to me well thinking of our design philosophy you know with the rubber parts and sturdiness of the thing and when you move it around a lot then people find the idea funny than when i move my remote control around it is funny for a week i guess something like that where you have to move it around very frequently it is demotering yeah but you do not have to trust me the idea of this technology is that you do not think about it it just happens no i do not move my remote control very much okay we do not have to do it but what what that would just have a lack of key futures you know you have to put something on your box you to make people buy it in it we can really can do the docking thing it is not yeah we can do it but it would be you can do it for ¢50 we have got more than ¢50 okay but we have to the case alone is because we only have a minute left or so the case alone for a remote control is at least one then we have one euro 30 for the whole docking station no that is not possible okay we can leave it on better then then this is then our concept is ready cheap remote control yeah we make some extra profit on it no we will not but that is not it will not tell but no any ideas of course not great great you see it is great yeah we just have to go all what we did today again we have to do it over we come back tomorrow okay no no there is still some concept and something special left i mean we are going to it is going to excel in the range in the field of design and looks and feel that is what it makes it special yeah and i would like i would like i would like of like the kinetic part as well to give it some just to give it some extra special future and i know it will work but it is it is they are not putting technologies on this district if it was impossible to to make it happen why not a hand dynamo then okay but we leave like this then it is no we can do anything else warning finish meeting now we are done okay this is it we are going to look at the last sheet now we can not yeah we have to fuck in yes yes celebration i do not see why but where is the champagne i think we got to fill out another questionnaire to be honest yeah i do not hear a bell no not yet that ding ding alright i will see you guys in a minute bye i do not think so can we do it here i do not know i do not think so just fill that one in just fill that one in yeah we are doing now but it is all in your room 0 okay 0 okay nice nice