so nice to see you again so tod for this meeting i will take the notes and do the minutes so we will see our 3 presentations we will start with the manager expert wi who will talk about user re requirements whats user needs and what it desire for this devi device okay can i have the laptop over here or yep 0 i do not think so i think you have to come here okay have to get up i dunno i think it should stay excuse me yeah that is it okay should stay in the square here okay 0 maybe okay so basically i am going to present some findings of a study we conducted into what users want in this remote control 0 you can put it here 0 that is okay it is jus so 1st of all we what we did is we conducted a an experiment with a 100 test subjects we put them in a in our usability laboratory and got them to you know play with remote controls and also to complete after they had done that to complete a questionnaire to tell us what they like and what they do not like in remote controls so basically the major things we found out was that basically users do not like the look and feel of of most remote controls that are currently on the market they you know 75% of the people we we did the experiments on found that rem remote the remote controls that they would used in the past were ugly completely ugly they they did not match the operating behavior of the user that is you know the the way users use remote controls when they are watching t v that the layout of the remote controls did not match they way that they used it and thirdly they say that w half of the users that we tested said that they only used 10% of the buttons that are on remote controls so we collect we also some collected some usage statistics based on how these test subjects were using their remote control and from this we basically came up with the figure that the channel buttons the channel selection buttons are the most by far the most used buttons on the remote control and you can see they are used a 168 times per hour on average while the user is watching t v the closest button that was used well the cl the button that was used that was closest to the channel button was the teletext button which was used 14 times per hour followed by the volume button which was 4 times per hour all the other all the other buttons such as ch audio and picture selection configuration buttons and things were used you know l approx well less than or equal to one times per hour we also asked users which buttons had the most importance to them you know which which buttons they felt were the most important buttons on on the remote control and basically they came they said the channel volume and power buttons had the highest relevance to users note that only power was very infrequently used it only had a b a a fr usage frequency of about one times per hour but users ranked it as having a very very high relevance and the audio and picture settings had a very that well the users thought that w the audio and picture settings were very were not very important to them and they used them very infrequently a as well so we asked users what what frustrates them the most about current remote controls and 50% of the users said that what frustrates them is losing the remote control somewhere in the room and not being able to find it they also said that it it takes a lot of time to learn a new remote control especially when there is many buttons and it is a you know a c a a unintuitive interface and then thirdly they some users commented on the fact that the the you know the way that you have to hold and press buttons on a remote control ar are bad and cause u repetitive strain injury we also asked some users about some specific features that they would like to see in the on the remote control in particular do they want an l c d d display and secondly do they think speech recognition is a useful feature to have on a remote control basically our findings are that amongst a younger age groups the answer is umv overwhelmingly yes they want these features they want these high technology features for instance 91% of pe of people aged between 15 and 25 said yes they want these features whereas the the trend was as users as users became older and older they were less likely to want these sort of features in a in a remote control so i guess it depends on where we are focusing our our market and as our company motto is putting fashion in electronics i think we are focusing on the younger younger target demographic and so maybe we should think about adding these sort of high technology features into our remote control that is my dic that is my presentation thank you thank you okay so maybe now we can talk about a user interface and about the technical function of this device so pet peter can you talk say something about that well okay yeah yeah but the user user interface is responsible no b you think i i am user interface manager ah okay so sorry i am sorry okay sorry okay if i could go there with this cable you are scaring me with l c d man and speech recognition in remote unit it will be very e expensive yeah it is true but you know they are features that users want so it is and our production cost of €1250 per per unit is fairly high i think yeah so i think we can afford to to add these sort of features into our remote yeah at least we have couple of months t to work on it so so it will be cheaper finally sh okay it is true where is delete button okay 0 i am sorry okay that is the wrong one i think yeah it is still bob morris 0 presentation 3 because you canceled it yeah you should have put yes yeah 0 click on yes yeah yep okay so here is my presentation about technical function design i will talk about different components and s of system and how they react together okay 1st what is a remote control simply it is a device as you know for for sending some commands by some waves to another device to to tell different commands with this device and the main idea we do not use any cable and we can rec react simpler with the device i it has different blocks different blocks 1st is remote control have sh ha should have some electric circuits making interface with keyboard and r reading keyboard and reading the keyboard commands and then inter then make these keyboard commands in interpret these int keyboard commands and then there should be an electronic circuit making electronic signals according to these commands and finally there is a transmitter which is a cord or a a diode making making waves to transmit through the air and this air this wave will be received by the by the other device like a television or whatever to r to realize the command okay about what i found about different these different blocks are usually there are 2 different methods to for designing a remote control they are based on infra red waves or radio waves you still want me the presentation there are 2 different solutions i mean this is this can be the the differences the th between different kind of waves infra red or radio waves and also as i understood and i think it was a part of bob presentation people prefer to have to have the remote control with less button so for the electronic part working and interfacing with button we should we should try to t try to design a remote control having some some simpler buttons or some rolling buttons to just to just to search between different options and showing 0 something on t v and putting less lesser stuff on the on the remote control and personal preferences certainly a remote control with working with radio waves is preferred because you can pr you can take it in any direction and you do not need to tune it any way and again using bigger buttons and less number of buttons are also preferred as i see okay that was my presentation okay i have a question huh do you think radio waves will interfere with other appliances in the home i do not think so because we can make we ca we can make this wave in a specific frequency so they can be in a range which is not inter interfering with the with other devices inside the home okay so can we use any any frequency yeah it should be okay we have the right to use any frequency no but as i know there is a range for for this f for for for this stuff for designing this circuit we can we can we can tune our transmitter to work in this range and for this range we do not need to ask any permission okay and what happen with radio waves when 2 neighbors have the same have our remote control for example and so do they have the same frequency or for this i am not i i do not know the solution but one solution can be something like putting p password or something inside the wave so the only your t v can understand it yeah identification code inside the okay a kind of identification okay yeah f i know about this since it is my it is exactly my field so so it is kind of handshaking when starting to when you start to communicate with the your t v then then it is like an handshaking protocol with your your remote yeah so so so if 22 devices are trying to go to communicate with the t v set then the the the one which has the more energy in the wave is chosen well it can be a problem sometimes but most of the time it works okay okay the password may simply or i identification code may simply solve this problem a specific remote control has a specific f yeah but we we do not have to think about this because i think as a function designer that we will use the already made circuits which we probably bu buy it is worth to buy and they have these problems solved so okay so we do not have to think about these okay okay so maybe you can talk about the function and yes i have only a couple of things because i had i struggled a bit with the software that i am supposed to use in this in this company i was used to use linux before so but i tried to tried to break through this too i guess open ah okay how to make it big slide show 5 slide show okay thanks it should work so you can okay 0 so i will speak about working design that is the 1st slide what i have to do a look at what the other company okay so presently i am looking what is possible to use what circuits to use and stuff like that because i did not work with these circuits so far so i have to look what what is a v a v available on the market for for the communication for the i r circuits and so on so i am currently looking what is available on the web and i wanted to ask you m maybe afterwards after after our discussion if we have some contacts in some companies so which can report on what is going on there so i would be glad if you can tell me about them yeah so you know okay findings that is the point that i am working on currently but so far i i was looking what what are the blue circuit i mean radio wave radio frequency circuits are available now but the prices i read are high so i know that the user interface people and these speak about radio frequency waves because you can you can you can make the t v do what you want even if you are in the bathroom or so on but you know when you are not close to the t v you probably will not need to to change the program and so on and so i am i am voting for s to stick to the infra red control instead of r w but we will discuss it later maybe components to use i am not exactly sure what i will use for the design of the circuit it depends on whether we will use the l c d and mainly the speech recognition because the speech rec yeah are we are we planning to take an off the shelf an 0 e m component for the radio wave circuit or are we planning to construct our own circuit board no no no no no this we this we buy i think because it is rather cheap nowadays and it is not worth to construct ourselves okay s so we just buy a circuit board and okay exactly but i am not sure about the circuit which is responsible for speech recognition this i prefer that we should make ourselves okay but it depends whether we take a decision to use it same thing it is fairly expensive to use these circuits so speech recognition well l c d it is okay because it is common nowadays to use l c d so i agree on using any kind of l c d less buttons good for me as a as a designer of the circuit yeah but the speech recognition we have to compare whether the price and the what does it offer you know yeah so what do you think would be the price it would be out of range yeah i am or it would be maybe feasible 0 i was not thinking too much about the price but if we use the l c d even the radio frequency communication with the t v set and the backlight and related things like the photo diodes and stuff it should be okay if we decide to use the speech recognition then we probably could struggle but we will see afterwards okay it depends of you if if the m e or u i d i am sorry about the names i do not really know want to have it like in metal or in plastic these things it it depends on you not because the the the electronic device is price is not not so big in comparison to to the overall shape and stuff like that so okay we will discuss it afterwards 0 this is nothing this is just my notes on what to use and my personal preference is yes i would like also preferably to use r w circuit but from the point of view of the design and price i would stick to i r s that is my opinion i mean if infra red circuit not not the radio frequency why because it is simpler because because the the range where you can use it is fair yeah it is okay i think and the price is fairly cheap for this okay it is a a price matter well depends yeah jus just the price otherwise i do not care what i put there because it is the chip which i buy or which we buy okay so i i i think it is 0 y 0 what how much more expensive are we talking 3 times more expensive or 10 times more expensive well 3 to 3 to 5 or okay n not 10 times but it depends what what we yeah yeah that is still a lot i think it is it is probably not worth spending the extra money because i mean all the other remote controls on the market have infra red so people do not expect anything other than infra red yeah yeah so it is not worth spending the extra money yeah well i 0 th they are used to use it when they can see the t v so i do not know yeah on the other side we want to have something new you know where yeah we want to to have something new and so we i think we should still thinking about it but maybe but i think based on my usability studies i th i feel that users are prioritize the look and the feel and the trendiness above okay you know the difference between infra red or radio waves so i think we are better off spending money in the usability phase you the user interface and management man okay yeah okay okay that is it for me okay thank you peter kay so i have to inform you i receive an email from the management bon board today and they have new requirements for the for the remote control 1st they say that is about something about t teletext apparently it becomes from according to them it becomes out of date out dated and because of the internet popularity and everybody has internet at home and actually it is not useful to have teletext so i think we can avoid the teletext the 2nd thing is they suggest that that we should use the remote control only for t v not for d v d and other devices because it make it it makes it is too complex and because we have not much time for this project we should stay on t v on the only specific t v remote control i agree the 3rd the 3rd one is about the the the image of the company so we should we should keep the the product should be recognizable it is that mean we should use the color of our company and maybe put somewhere the s the slogan of the company which is we put fashion of in electronics so when people see the the remote control they should say 0 it is from real reaction and he s they should recognize the company so so now we we should take the decision what we are going to what function we will have on this on this remote control so are we going to use l c d speech recognition well should we start with just the core the basic functions that we need and then we can move on to the more advanced features yeah yes maybe maybe okay so the available things are l c d the buttons and everything radio frequency depends and well the recognition it depends on you guys yeah but 1st maybe what is what are the usual function of a standard remote control you should probably speak i mean okay what do okay well i mean the obvious one is changing channels yeah yeah yeah i think we should stick on very useful functions because we want less button yeah so yeah yeah okay so turning channel of course volume setting just one note to the chan channel changing do we will we use only 2 buttons or or like numbered buttons i mean those 9 +one or 2 yeah i think it would be a b because it is many buttons and we were speaking about lowering the number yeah yeah i on the other side we have more and more channels and if you want to pass through all the channels to get the channel you want it is yeah okay so so we keep all these all these buttons yeah yeah at least 910 button maybe maybe we could think of something more betweens like like 10 +5 +one +one minus or something yeah maybe something like that or using the names and the keyboard i dunno ah yeah or maybe 0 i do not know or something 0 maybe we could have key buttons like discovery channe like documentary channel and movies channel and you mean like hierarchical structure and inside this this thing you can move maybe switch okay like categorizing channels if you want to see a movie you click on the movie button so you have all the movie channels and after you have you +plus okay so s 0 sorry okay i it just an idea i do not know what you think about that but so it requires the use of l c d probably to to tell you to have some feedback yeah probably yeah yeah okay so i will make a note on l c d yeah we could maybe also c incorporate petre is idea of the slider for the volume with the channel okay okay so we c you could quickly just through many channels yeah like roller for the yeah for the channels perhaps okay anything else so we have got channel and volume yeah so we are still s speaking about the common devices or we are inviting the new one i think so i think basically the core functions we want and then more advanced ones yeah what about the settings of the t v because it is button we do not use very often but it is we need it anyway so we do not have any we do not have we should just design the remote control and we sh we do not have any access to the to the t v design or we can change some design so yeah because one solution for this ch changing channels is to see a summary of all channels some some preview of all channels and then you can yeah on the screen you mean yeah b not on the control on the screen on the t v screen not on the control but on the screen well this would avoid l c d then i do not and then 0 i do not but i do not think we are we are the ones i mean this remote control we are developing is a generic control for all t v s i think yeah yeah i do not know if it is possible to to watch something on t v 0 w i i think it it would be better to to stick to the remote control and not to bother the t v to to to print these things yeah yeah well it wi it will be still more expensive but for the l c d and this stuff is no problem in the price okay so what are we doing with the settings because settings if we want to do settings we need buttons for that and we want less buttons so maybe with the l c d we can do something with less buttons but yeah but then you do not want to make the l c d display too complicated at the same time 2 t v s i mean there is always we can always have these l less often used functions hidden somewhere under a cover or at the back of under a slide or some yeah 0 yeah like ma 0 the we we could have for example 2 buttons like simple mode and advanced mode or i dunno yeah or like children and grandfather is mode and the well the the user yeah not the user the man mana t v manager mode okay ah i dunno so we have 5 minutes left yeah so i think s the settings we th we are agreeing are agreed that they are required yeah it is just how to a yeah we should hide them somewhere hide them okay yeah in the menus of the l c d or in the back of the remote control or something like that okay yeah okay what else i mean a power button is obviously yes required this i was thinking do we need a power button at all should should should not we do it like sleep mode after 5 minutes of not using it because generally it is it is a kind of setting i think it should fit in those settings functions settings because it is not a very current useful function well i think when they say power button they mean to turn the t v on and off no i think it is after after 5 minutes or something a timer i i think no yes well i i but if you are watching t v for 2 hours you do not want your t v to turn off after 55 minute you do not need to every 5 minutes to keep it alive probably okay so we should keep this button i mean based on our usability studies again pe people said that the power button was v a very relevant button yeah 0 okay yeah you know it was 9 out of 10 okay so we we could p what we could probably do is to keep also to keep keep the l c d and all the buttons and stuff re relevance we could make it like a opening opening style that if you open it you are you just turn on the t v and if you close it it will yeah yeah turn off the t v if if you like this okay b okay because well it is maybe question for you t i think we need to concentrate on the you know the major usage of the th of the control which is you sit down yeah you turn on your t v you change channels you change the volume you turn the t v off yeah and all the other f functionality is so s yeah yeah they can yeah they can be hide somewhere by a cover or something like this not used very often yeah yeah like covering cu on the back or yeah i mean like the yeah like mobile phone covering yeah but since we have the l c d we did not need too much button too many buttons okay just the decision of the power button should we make it a button or some some something which would be for what power button i think a button a button is better i think it should be a bu ah 0 yeah yeah if it if it is a button or okay yeah yeah a button yeah i guess so its own button on the front okay one nice big button old fashioned button to satisfy the grandmothers okay so any other suggestions or functions s what about things like the clock and timers do we still have the time i i just wonder yeah we have still one or 2 minutes to talk yeah okay 0 well what w what was the question clock or you know some func some features on the control to display a time or t to display usually it is already on t v or something like that yes yeah but since we want to control all the televisions and and it would probably be worth to to set the timing on the remote no yeah because if if the t v turns on itself it well you know if the time the timer should be there yeah yeah if we if we add the time we have to have maybe a bigger display or something like that and is it very useful i mean are users wants to have the time on the on the remote this is the question probably not is it useful yes it is a questi yeah it is a trade off w in my opinion we should have only useful thing and because apparently they want the simpler it is is better kay ah yeah okay simple did you did you ever use the like the timing of turning on the t v well and based on your very yeah okay very occasionally but i do use the i do use the display of the time quite often but yeah but it can be on the display in in a corner all the time on the remote yeah yeah that is okay that is true okay so no time button no time on and do we need to include anything about the speech recognition and the speech commands or okay yes yes i think i i thin i think it will not take lots of place we just need a microphone and the software so and it sh and it will be a little bit new and interesting so people may be attracted to buy this stuff and it is not very difficult to put a software inside the the electronic device and put a microphone it does not take that much place and also that much it does not cost that much yeah yeah but we we should be careful about the battery life then so maybe we think we can think more about that and discuss that maybe last time next time if we use the speech recognition yeah and yeah now the meeting room is busy somebody booked the meeting room just for at one p m and so we should leave so so now we are going for for a small lunch it is funded by the company and after we have 13 minutes to to do indevel individual works and i will do the minutes and you are going to work on your individual works and you will receive as usual your specific instruction and so on okay cool thank you everybody okay thanks thank you
i am going to close away i think it is closed i think it is frozen so nice to see you again so for this meeting i will take the notes and do the minutes so we will see our 3 presentations we will start with the manager expert we will talk about user requirements what user needs and what they desire for this device okay can i have the laptop over here or 0 i do not think so i have to get up i do not know i think it should stay excuse me yeah i see okay okay just tain to square here okay okay i am going to present some findings of a study we conducted into what users want in this remote control so 1st of all what we did is we conducted an experiment with 100 test subjects we put them in our usability laboratory and got them to you know play with remote controls and also to complete after they have done that to complete a questionnaire a questionnaire to tell us what they like and what they do not like in remote controls so basically the major things we found out was that basically users do not like the look and feel of most remote controls that are currently on the market they you know 75% of the people we did the experiments on found that remote controls that they would used in the past were ugly past were ugly completely ugly they did not match the operating behavior of the user that is you know the way users use remote controls when they are watching tv that the layout of the remote controls did not match the way that they used it and thirdly they say that half of the users that we tested said that they only used 10% of the buttons that are remote controls so we collected we also collected some uses statistics based on how these test subjects were using the remote control and from this we basically came up with the figure that the channel buttons the channel selection buttons are the most by far the most used buttons on the remote control and you can see they are used 168 times per hour on average while the users watching tv the closest button that was used the button that was closest to the channel button was the teletext button which was used 14 times per hour followed by the volume button which was 4 times per hour all the other buttons such as audio and picture selection configuration buttons and things were used you know less than or equal to one times per hour we also asked users which buttons had the most importance to them you know which buttons they felt were the most important buttons on the remote control and basically they came they said the channel volume and power buttons had the highest relevance to users note that only power was very infrequently used it only had a usage frequency of about one times per hour but users ranked it as having a very very high relevance and the audio and picture settings had a very that well the users thought that the audio and picture settings were very were very important to them and they use them very frequently as well so we asked users what what frustrates them the most about current remote controls and 50% of the users said that what frustrates them is losing the remote control somewhere in the room and not being out to find it they also said that it takes a lot of time to learn a new remote control especially when there is many buttons and it is an unintuitive interface and then thirdly some users commented on the fact that the you know the way that you have to hold and press buttons on a remote control are bad and cause repetitive strain injury we also asked some users about some specific features that they would like to see in the remote control in particular do they want an lcd to display and secondly do they think speech recognition is a useful feature to have on our remote control our findings are that amongst younger age groups the answer is overwhelmingly yes they want these features they want these high technology features for instance 91% of people aged between 15 and 25 said yes they want these features whereas the trend was as users as users became older and older they were less likely to want these sort of features in a remote control so i guess it depends on where we are focusing our market and as our company motto is putting fashion in electronics i think we are focusing on the younger target demographic and so maybe we should think about adding these sort of high technology features into our remote control and that is my presentation thank you thank you so now we can talk about the user interface and about the technical function of this device so peter can you talk to something about that okay yeah but you think i am user interface sorry i am sorry okay if i could go there this okay you are scaring me with lcd man and speech recognition in remote unit it will be very expensive yeah it is true but you know the features that users want so it is yeah and our production cost of production cost of €1250 per unit is fairly high i think so i think we can afford to add these sort of features into our remote at least we have a couple of months to work on it so it will be cheaper finally that is true let us delete but okay that is the wrong one i think it is the wrong one i think presentation tree because you can should that put yes okay so here is my presentation okay so here is my presentation about technical function design i will talk about different components of system and how they react together okay 1st what is a remote control simply device as you know for sending some commands by some waves to another device to to tell different comments with this device and the main idea is we do not use any cable and we can react simpler with the device it has different blocks different blocks 1st this remote control have shown should have some electric circuits making with keyboards and reading a keyboard and reading the keyboard commands and then then make these keyboard commands and interpret these keyboard commands and then there should be an electronic circuit making electronic signals according to these commands and finally there is a transmitter which is a coil or a diode making making waves to transmit through the air and these air these waves will be received by the by the other device like a television or whatever to realize the comment okay about what i found about different these different blocks are usually there are 2 different methods to for designing a remote control they are based on infrared waves or radio waves there are 2 different solutions i mean this is this can be the the difference is the between different kind of waves infrared or radio waves and also as i understood and i think it was a part of of the bob presentation people prefer to have to have to have the control with less button so for the electronic part working and interfacing with buttons we should we should try to try to design a remote control having some some simpler bottoms or some rolling buttons just to just to search between different options and showing on something on tv and putting less less stuff and the and the remote control and personal preferences certainly a remote control with working with radio waves is preferred because you can you can take it in any direction and you do not need to tune it any way and again using bigger buttons and less number of buttons or also preferred as i see okay that was my presentation okay i have a question do you think radio waves will interfere with other appliances in the home i do not think so because we can make this wave in a specific frequency so they can be in a range which is not interfering with other devices inside the home okay can we use any any frequency we have the right to use any frequency no but as i know there is a range for for this for for this stuff for designing this circus we can we can we can tune our transmitter to work in this range and for this range we do not need to ask can you permit okay and what happened with radio waves when 2 neighbors have the same remote control for example and so do they have the same frequency or for this i am not i do not know the solution but one solution can be something like putting a password or something inside the wave so only your tv can understand kind of identification identification code inside there i know about this since it is my it is exactly my feel so it is a kind of handshaking when starting to when you start to communicate with your tv then it is like an handshaking protocol with your your remote so if 22 devices are trying to communicate with the tv set then the the the one which has the more energy in the wave is chosen it can be a problem sometimes but most of them it works okay the password may simply or an identification code may simply solve this problem a specific remote control has a specific yeah but we do not have to think about this because i think as a function designer that we will use the already made circuits which we probably buy it is worth to buy and they have these problems solved so we do not have to think about these so maybe you can talk about the function yes i have only a couple of things because i had i struggled a bit with the software that i am supposed to use in this company i was used to use linux before i tried to break through this 2 yes mowbran ah okay what to make it big slide you okay thanks good work so you can you can okay so i will speak about working design that is the 1st light 0 what i have to look at what the other company okay so presently i am looking what is possible to use what circuits to use and stuff like that because i did not work with these circuits so far so i have to look what is available on the market for the communication for the ir circuits and so on so i am currently looking what is available on the web available on the web and i wanted to ask you maybe afterwards after our discussion if we have some contacts in some company so which can report on what is going on there so i would be glad if you can tell me about them so you know okay findings that is the point that i am working on currently but so far i was looking what rw circuit i mean radio wave radio frequency circuits are available now but the prices are rather high so i know that the user interface people and these speak about radio frequency waves because you can make the tv do what you want even if you are in the bathroom or so on but you know when you are not close to the tv you probably want need to change the program and so on so i am voting to stick to the infrared control instead of rw but we will discuss it later maybe components to use i am not exactly sure what i will use for the design of the circuit it depends on whether we will use the lcd and mainly the speech recognition because the speech yeah are we are we planning to taken off the shelf an oem component for the radio a circuit or are we planning to construct their own so no no no no this we this we buy i think because it is rather cheap nowadays and it is not worse to construct ourselves so we just buy a circuit board in exactly but i am not sure about the circuit which is responsible for speech recognition this i prefer that we should make ourselves okay but it depends whether we take a decision to use it same thing it is fairly expensive to use these circuits so speech recognition well lcd it is okay because it is common nowadays to use lcd so i agree on using any kind of lcd less buttons good for me as a designer of the circuit but the speech recognition we have to compare whether the price and the yeah what does it offer you know so what do you think would be the price it would be out of french or it would be maybe feasible i was not thinking too much about the price but if we use the lcd even the radio frequency communication with the tv set and the backlight and related things like the photodiods and stuff it should be okay we decide to use the speech recognition then we probably could struggle but we will see afterwards okay it depends so you if the m e or uid i am sorry about the names i do not know wants to have it like in metal or in plastic these things it depends on you not because the electronic devices price is not so big in comparison to the overall shape and stuff like that so we will discuss it afterwards 0 this is nothing this is just my notes on what to use and my personal preference yes i would like also preferably to use rw circuit but from the point of view of the design and price i would stick to the irs that is my opinion i mean if infrared circuit not not the radio frequency why because it is simpler because the range where you can use it is fair it is okay i think and the price is fairly cheap for this it depends the price matter just the price otherwise i do not care what i put there because it is the chip which i buy or which we buy so i think it is how much more expensive more expensive are we talking 3 times more expensive or 10 times more expensive 3 to 5 not 10 times but it depends what we that is still a lot i think it is probably not worth spending the extra money because i mean all the other remote controls on the market have infrared so people do not expect anything other than infrared so it is not worth spending the extra money they are used to use it only when they can see the tv so on the other side we want to have something new you know where we want to have something new so i think we should still thinking about it but i think based on my usability studies i feel that users prioritize the look and the feel and the trendiness above the difference between infrared or radio waves so i think we are better off spending money in the usability phase okay management man yeah okay that is it okay thank you peter okay so i have to inform you i receive an email from the management board today and they have new requirements for the remote control 1st they say that say that about something about teletext apparently it becomes from according to them it becomes out of date outdated and because of the internet property and everybody has internet at home and actually it is not useful to have teletext text the 2nd thing is they suggest that we should use the remote control only for tv not for dvd and other devices because it makes it too complex and because we have no much time for this project we should stay on tv on the only specific tv remote control i agree the 3rd one is about the damage of the company so we should keep the product should be recognizable that means we should use the color of our company and maybe put somewhere the slogan of the company which is we put fashion of the company which is we put fashion in electronics so when people see the remote control they should say 0 it is from a real reaction and they should recognize the company so now we should take the decision what we are going to what function we will have on this on this remote control so are we going to use lcd speech recognition well should we start with just the core the basic functions that we need and then we can move on to the more advanced features maybe okay so the available things are lcd the buttons and everything radio frequency depends and well the recognition it depends on it depends on you guys but 1st maybe what is what has a usual function of a standard remote control i mean what do okay well i mean the obvious one is changing channels yeah yeah i think we should stick on very useful functions because we want less button so yeah yeah okay so changing channel of course volume setting just one note to the channel changing do we will we use only 2 buttons or or like numbered buttons i mean those 9 +one or 2 i think it would be a both i guess many buttons and we were speaking about lowering the number yeah another side we have more and more channels and if you want to pass through all the channels to get the channel you want okay so we keep all these maybe maybe we could think of something more between like like 10 +5 +one +one fine yeah maybe so are using the names and the keyboard i do not know maybe 0 i know 0 maybe you could have k buttons like discovery channel like documentary channel and movies channel i mean like and inside this thing you can move maybe switch if you want to see a movie you click on the movie button so you have all the movie channels and after you 0 so just an idea i do not know what you think about that so it requires the use of lcd probably to tell you some feedback okay yeah so i will make you not an lcd we could maybe also incorporate petra is idea of the slider for the volume with the channel okay so you could quickly just yeah like roller for the channels perhaps okay anything else we have got channel and volume so we are still speaking about the common devices or we are inviting i think so i think basically the core functions we want and then more advanced ones what about the settings of the tv because it is button we do not use very often use very often but it is we need it anyway so we do not have any we do not have we should just design the remote control and we should we do not have any access to the to the tv design or we can change some design because one solution for this changing channels is to see a summary of all channels some some preview of all channels and then you can screen yeah not on the control but on the screen not under control on the screen well this would avoid lcd then well i do not think we are the ones i mean this remote control we are developing is a generic control for all tvs yeah i do not know if it is possible to add something on tv i think it would be better to stick to the remote control and not to bother the tv to print these things well it will be still more expensive but for the lcd and this stuff is no problem problem in the private okay so what are we doing with the settings because settings if we want to do settings we need buttons for that and we want less buttons maybe with the lcd we can do something with less buttons but but then you do not want to make the lcd display too complicated at the same time i mean there is always we can always have these less often you used functions hidden somewhere under a cover or at the back of under a slide we could have for example 2 buttons like simple mode and advance mode or like children and grandfather is mode and the well the user not the user the tv manager mode okay i do not know we have 5 minutes left so i think the settings we said we are agreed that they are required it is just how to we should hide them somewhere in the menus of the mcd or in the back of the remote control or something okay what else i mean a power button obviously yes i was thinking do we need the power button at all should should not we do it like sleep mode after 5 minutes or not using it because generally it is a kind of setting i think it should fit into settings because it is not a very current useful function well i think when they say power button they mean to turn the tv on and off no i think it is after 5 minutes or something like that but if you are watching tv for 2 hours you do not want your tv to turn off off you do not need to keep it alive okay so we should kill this button i mean based on our usability studies again people said that the power button was a very relevant button yeah you know it was 98 of the button you know it was 9 out of 10 okay so we would what we could probably do is to keep also to keep the lcd and all the buttons and stuff we could make it like opening opening stuff that if you open it you are you just turn on the tv and if you close it it will turn out the tv if you like this okay okay well i think we need to concentrate on the you know the major usage of the of the control which is you sit down you turn on the tv you change channels you change the volume you turn the tv off yeah just and all the other functionality is yeah not used very often they can be hide somewhere by a cover or something like this yeah like covering on the i mean like the yeah like mobile phone yeah but since we have the lcd we did not need too much buttons too many buttons okay just the decision on the power button should we make it a button or some something which would be for what i think a button power button i think it should be a button 0 yeah it is a button it is own button yeah on the front okay one nice big button old fashioned button to satisfy the grandmothers okay so any other suggestions are functions what about things like the clock and timers do we still have the time yeah we have still one or 2 minutes okay yeah what is the question you know some features on the control to display a time or to display usually it is already on tv or something yeah but since we want to control all the televisions and yeah it would probably be worse to set the timing on the remote no because if the tv if the tv the tv turns on itself it you know if we had the time should be there we had to have maybe a bigger display or something like that and is it very useful i mean our users want to have the time on the remote probably not it is a question yeah it is a trade off in my opinion we should have only useful thing and because apparently they want the simplest it is better okay did you did you ever use like the timing of turning on the tv and based on very yeah okay very occasionally but i do use the i do use the display of the time quite often yeah but it can be on the display in in a corner all the time and the remote yeah that is okay that is true okay so no time button do we need to include anything about the speech recognition and speech commands or i i think i think i think it will not take lots of place we just need a microphone and software so and it should it will be a little bit new and interesting so people may be attracted to buy this stuff and it is not very difficult to put a software inside the electronic device and put a microphone it does not take that much place and also that much it does not cost that much yeah but we we should be careful about the battery life then if we use so maybe we think we can think more about that and discuss that maybe last time next time and yeah now the meeting room is busy somebody booked a meeting room just for at one p m so we should leave so now we are going for for small lunch it is founded by the company and after we have 13 minutes to do individual works and i will do the minutes and i will do the minutes and you are going to work on you individual works and you will receive as usual specific instruction and so on okay thank you cool okay thanks i am going to