okay good afternoon good afternoon this is our 3rd meeting already i hope you enjoyed your lunch i did anyway let us see presentation 3 okay this is the 2nd phase we are going to discuss today it is the conceptual design meeting and a few points of interest in this meeting are the conceptual specification of components conceptual specification of design and also trend watching these are hopefully the points you addressed in your pre presentations you are going to show me in a few minutes but 1st i will show you the agenda 1st the opening then we have 3 presentations after that we have to come to a decision on remote control concepts how we are going to make it and then we are closing we have about 40 minutes so i suggest let us get started did someone encounter any problems during the preparation no no everything fine that is nice then a little thing about the last meeting these are the points we agreed on the requirements and the target market requirements are teletext docking station audio signal small screen with some extras that button information and we are going to use default materials does somebody have any comments on these requirements maybe no these are just the the things we thought of so maybe if you figured something else or thought of something else just let me know and maybe we can work it out and we are going to target 60 to to 80 year old customers so now everybody knows what we are do we are doing i suggest let us get started with the presentations so shall we keep the same line up as last time sure okay i will start off then good luck doh kay i am going to inform you about the trend watching i have done over the past few days we have done some market research we distributed some more enquetes questionnaires and besides that i deployed some trend watchers to milan and paris to well get all of the newest trends and i have consulted some additional trend watch trend watchers after the original trend watchers return about what the the best design would be okay these are some overall findings most important thing is the fancy design the research indicated that that was by far the most important factor innovativeness was about half as important as the fancy design by innovativeness this means functions which are not featured in other remote controls about half of half as important as the innovativeness was the was easy to use for our group we are focusing on the people of 60 to 80 y years old this is these factors are slightly more equal kay these are some more group specific findings the older people prefer dark colors they like recognizable shapes and familiar material and our surveys have indicated that especially wood is pretty much the material for older people this is this image will give you a little bit of an impression about the look and feel that the remote should have this leads us to some personal preferences the remote control and the docking station should blend in in the in the room so this would mean no eye catching designs just keep it simple and well the docking station and small screen would be our main points of interest because this would be the these would be the innovativeness in the remote control so this would be very important that we at least include these features well the trend watchers i consulted advised that it b should be the remote control and the docking station should be telephone shaped so you could imagine that the remote control will be standing up straight in the docking station this is not really this is pretty much a new shape to older people so they would prefer a design where the remote control just lies flat in the docking station so it would be kinda more telephone shaped besides that we would advise to bring 2 editions one with a wood like color and maybe feel and one with a gray black color the wood like for the more exclusive people people with more money the gray black color for well people with less means that would be all okay thank you any questions about the the trends any questions mayb no no okay we go on to the next one kay yeah some research a about designing of an interface the last meeting we had a about using a f few buttons so that is w what i what i want to to do in our design so finding an attractive way to control the remote control the i found some something about speech recognition so maybe we can use that and using a little display so findings yeah just we have just to focus on the primary functions so only buttons for sound for on off shifting u up sa ca channel or down shifting down let us see yeah and we need some new a attractive functions which attract people for using it so it is like a speak speech recognition and a special button for selecting subtitles just what we mentioned last meeting and yeah overall user friendly so using large large buttons it is possible to to make quite cheap system for speech recognition you can think about when you lost your remote control you can call it and it gives an sig signal so yeah and and for shifting up a senator c ch channel or for putting out sound or something you can just give a sign say sound off or a and yeah television put the sound off put the sound off let us see yeah i was thinking about the special button for subtitles just one button to keep it simple one push on the button you get small subtitles double push push if double click so you get big subtitles for people which c f who can not read small subtitles so yeah and w we have to keep in general buttons so we have got the buttons we have to use the on off sound on off sound higher or lower the numbers 0 to 9 the general buttons m more general b one button for shifting up and shifting down channel also we want to use a little d display for for displaying the the functions of the buttons and we can build in a function f which shows the channel or some which the t television is on so made a little picture of it see yeah just we can put the on off button over in this corner almost e all remote controls are using a on off button on that place so people will recognize the button so d display of it it is just a small display you can put it on top it is most place where people most of looks at so and a special button for shifting up and shifting down channel it is on place where the thumb of of the so you you can easily shift up or shift down it is quite handy place so and all the f functions for subtitle one button for sound and for our design we have to discuss about it i think so the form of it so okay and that is it thank you okay about the components design for the energy source we can use a basic battery or a as an optional thing a kinetic energy like in a watch which you just shake and it produces energy but if we choose for that option the docking station would c become obsolete so i do not think it is really an option for the casing the manufacturing department can deliver a flat casing single or double curved casing it is really up the the design that we are going to use it is does not imply any technical restrictions as a case supplement we could i thought of that l later a rubber belt like a anti slip for the b buttons we can use plastic or rubber and the chip set it says simple here but it should be advanced because we are using an l c d screen and as the trend watcher presentation showed people like wood but it raises the price and it does not really fit the image unless we would start 2 product lines form should follow function overall well the kinetic energy source is rather fancy but depends on what we want i think we should disk discuss that for the case the supplement and the buttons it really depends on the designer and the chip set really should be advanced because otherwise it would really be a simple remote control and that is it okay thank you so that brings us to the discussion about our concepts kay so these are the points we have to discuss 1st i think we can talk about the energy source since that is has a pretty big influence on production price and image so f i think 1st of all we have to see it is possible to introduce kinetic energy in our budget i think yes w there there are 4 options we could use the basic normal battery yeah a hand dynamo but i do not think that is really an option okay you do not want to swing before you can watch television yeah solar cells but not every room is very light so it is not a very good option no or the kinetic energy yeah okay and how exactly does the kinetic energy work well y you basically shake your remote and then it powers up you just you use it and it works yeah yeah okay nah well personally i do not think that older people like to shake their remote control before they use it yeah that is true and besides that you mentioned it would make the docking station obsolete 0 and i think our docking station could be one of the marketing issues with which we can get great popularity for our product yeah but wel what is the function yeah f for loading up the batteries yeah you could load up the batteries you could insert the find the lost remote control function in there b b okay but it will not use much e energy i i believe it is just a small display so i believe it will run on one battery for 6 months or f or or more so i believe one battery is just enough so well i think elderly people just like to have everything in place that is true and i do not think they they like remotes just laying everywhere in their rooms okay so maybe a docking station will help them give the remote a place yeah that is true yeah and also what you said you can introduce voice recognition by finding back your remote yeah but i think it is more efficient and cheaper to put it in the docking station so you have a but button on your docking station which you can push and then it starts beeping okay and then we can we can still use the voice recognition but maybe then for only the the channels yeah that is safe i am wondering what will the voice recognition mean for the production price yeah that is a good point i do not have any information on pricing so i will have to ask the manufacturing department cause in our earlier market research if you would allow me to go to the flat board smartboard yeah sure go ahead so it was open here we also asked if w they would if people would pay more for speech recognition in a remote control well you can see here our target group would not do that no so if that would increase the price for which we are selling our remote control i would greatly advise not to do it yeah i think that would be better to insert in our other product that is meant for the yeah younger people but that would also go for the l c d screen then i guess kay it is a bit higher percentage but well this is yeah but this is here the question was would you prefer it so that does not really mean they would not pay extra for it and on top of that the l c d screen would help in making the remote control easier to use yeah yeah and i think a voice recognition function would not make the remote control much easier to use okay easier to use no i think that is a good point but is our research about bi large l c d sh display or just a small one we want to use well this was for like an l c d screen like you would have on a on the the most advanced mobile phones okay so pretty large yeah yeah i personally think the l c d screen we want to use with the extra information i think nobody has anything against it because it is just some extra information and it is easy to ignore as well no yeah so if you do not want to use it you just do not use it and yeah i think the maybe we have to discard the voice recognition because it will increase cost signifi significantly and i do not think the i do not think it will be a lot easier to use as well yeah so that brings us back to the energy if we do not have the voice recognition it will it will not use a lot of energy to use so in that case we could use kinetic energy but i think just a simple battery which you can reload on a docking station is just as good and much cheaper as well yeah so and that is the best choice okay let me just choose for the battery that brings us to the chip well there is not any choice there because we are using the the the the display just the advanced so it has got to be advanced okay advanced chip kay and then we get to the point of the case which brings us a little bit back to marketing as well if we want to choose for wood or the black and gray or both as we saw there is not yeah wood is a lot more expensive to produce but i think it will attract elderly people who want to have something exclusive which they can show off to their grandkids look i have got a new remote control and well and i think most important factor there is the wooden color i dunno so it would not actually have to be wood if it is just yeah that is right wood colored but with color was a lot more expensive or i dunno you do not know i will have to research i think so because yeah probably it is a lot more difficult to to handle and to to get in the right shape is it possible to make changeable case so you cause yeah with mobile phones so like the nokia mobile phones when you can change the case of it yeah so change the cases yeah maybe it is possible possibility so you have just to make one standard remote control and yeah you can sell few yeah you can sell the cases yeah i think that is a very good option because then you can advertise as well with the give your grandfather a new case for his remote control or whatever yeah because that is a it is something extra it is something other remotes do not have which we can get a great advantage point yeah yeah that is true so and then you can make them with color black and gray other colors as well yeah yeah we would have to look carefully into the design though costs cause we would have to make one w control which would fit in with a wooden cover and a plastic cover yeah the more original one or the more standard one yeah so that would so you suggest we should design 2 different telephones on which you can apply yeah remote controls on which you can apply different case covers for example well i would not design a telephone but well no i think w we should just we should then just design one remote one remote but it would have to be fancy with either the wood cover or the plastic one yeah okay so but that should not be too much of a problem so everybody is okay with the changing covers yes i think that is a good good option yeah changing case covers i heard our industrial designer talk about flat single and double curved yes yeah could you explain that a little more well the the general like most older remotes are flat just straight and our d manufacturing department can also deliver single curved or double curved ca curved cases and what would single curved and double curved mean it would just only affect the form for as far as i know so it is j really just up to the design department what we are going to use okay it does not really matter for the price or the functionality so we can pretty much just do whatever we want pick one you like yes kay okay that is good but the form has to be it has to it is has to be possible to stand up or just only to lie down no just to lie down okay and the the cover of the the docking station is also we will go for that on top of the television then or not well or besides it and you can just yeah then click it in that is okay so the interface what type of interface do we want to use maybe you can make a little drawing of it on the on the the board does somebody have ideas for a form or we can just use the regular form of it but it is not quite fancy so yeah you said you wanted to put the changing channels button on the right side so you could yeah so your thumb would be easily well i think that was a very good point cause i pointed out earlier that a lot of remotes cause r s i yeah so that would be great for that i thought maybe we could just make one of those buttons on both the left and the right side for for yeah yeah for left handed users also yep yeah we is it possible to program it s so you got on the left side or on the right side buttons for for shifting u up and shifting up and on the other 0 other side buttons for shifting for for the sound for the volume or or is not it well that could yeah we could do that but i am not sure if that would be very good for the easy ease of use usabili yeah ease of use will be a lot more difficult and then it is yeah okay but if we would make a changing channels and changing volume button on both sides that would certainly yield great options for the design of the remote cause it could be made all symmetrical and stuff yeah but but you have extra buttons yeah so people can get confused yeah that is true yeah especially if they have the same writings on it see yeah or we have to make a left for lefties and can not we make can not we make a remote which you can flip over and use on the same functions as the normal one you mean then you have to yeah if let us see if i ca a blank one and then you get here is a little l c d screen now i have to think it is a +and a min no it is not very handy i think no because the +and the min will be opposite and all kinds of yeah yeah no that is not going to work i guess maybe we should yeah but is it a problem that left handed persons use a different hand i think the functions are that basic that nobody should have any problems with choosing a channel or yeah that is true yeah it is just u using your thumb y yeah so it is yeah i think we could just leave it a normal shape yeah yeah but maybe we have to make it a l a bit more fancy in one or ano another way yeah i think we should start by by choosing a case because that is the basis you are building on yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah just so i could draw them out let us look at the flat case 0 it is from the side so it is rather normal yeah the the single curved so i am not really sure what they are going to look like but i think it is something like this so this type should be better for you or better should prevent repetitive strain injury a bit easier and the double curved s looks something like this i guess so th those are the 3 options we have kay i suggest the single curved because maybe the curve is pretty good to put the the screen in so that elderly people can use the remote control and at the same time look easily at the screen because it is a bit it has a bit of a angle so do you say this s you got like sort of a i believe there so you want to put a display over here or not yeah yeah i think so yeah yeah but now it is we can make it do you have it upside down or do you have it this that is top that is the top so this top this down okay maybe it is possible to make this side like let us see color okay to make this side like the right color bit like so in the form of your hand so it is an yeah so so the remote control have to lay in your hand so it is possib yeah for s so and so get your mouse yeah and to put the the buttons for changing the channel over here yeah that is a good one yeah yeah but i think it is better to put the screen on top rem so just flip it a 180 degrees around then you get here yeah but this place if you can have this one you turn it like this and then flip it upside down it is yeah i dunno because maybe your hand is in the way if you have the display here yeah it is more logical to have it on top as well because like on your mobile phone it is always above i think i yeah so yeah on top so yeah 0 maybe you should just s start on a blank page so then we get yeah here is that is the curve 5 minutes here the display and then buttons yeah and then we can have a little bit off here and here maybe just that is for left hand and right hand users yeah and then h the rest of the buttons over here yeah but the on off button still on the top yeah yeah still here jus yeah that is and i would prefer the corners to be round yeah yeah kay think that would be better should be more bit more friendly yeah friendly on the eye kay supplements that is okay where is my mouse then we have got a general idea of the concepts and the materials we are going to use so now for the next meeting we will have to look at the look and feel design it is important that the corporate design image is going to be in the remote so check out the corporate website maybe the user interface design it is the same story and product evaluation so the industrial designer and user interface designer are going to work together on this one but you are going to get your instructions i think sended by the coach so just i will put these minutes on the in the folder okay and then we are going to try to finish our project and make a good design for all the grandfathers and grandmothers i think which are let us see i am not sure if you are going to start right away to work together or i think you are going to fill in the questionnaires 1st yeah yeah and then you will get a message yeah so that is basically it maybe this one then we can save this one in the folders group yes it is here yeah smartboard there it it so if you want to have a look at it it is over there in the projects folder yeah and then i guess we will start in 30 minutes again thank you very good okay okay
just received a little beep i do not know what it was okay good afternoon this is our 3rd meeting already i hope you enjoyed your lunch enjoyed your lunch i did anyway let us see presentation 3 okay this is the 2nd phase we are going to discuss today that is the conceptual design meeting and a few points of interest in this meeting are the conceptual specification of components conceptual specification of design and also trend watching these are hopefully the points you addressed in your presentations you are going to show me in a few minutes but 1st i will show you the agenda 1st the opening then we have 3 presentations after that we have to come to a decision have to come to a decision on remote control concepts how are we going to make it and then we are closing we have about 40 minutes so i suggest let us get started did someone encounter any problems during the preparation no everything fine it is nice then a little think about the last meeting these are the points we agreed on the requirements and the target market requirements are teletext docking station audio signal small screen with some extra button information and we are going to use default materials does somebody have any comments on these requirements maybe no these are just the things we thought of so maybe if you figured something else or thought of something else just let me know maybe we can work it out and we are going to target the 60 to 80 year old customers so now everybody knows what we are doing and i suggest let us get started with presentations should we keep the same lined up as last time sure okay i will start off then good luck okay i am going to inform you about okay the trend watching i have done over the past few days we have done some market research we distributed some more on cads questionnaires and besides that i deployed some trend watchers to milan and paris to well get a hold of the news trends and i have consulted some additional trend watchers after the original trend watchers return about what the the best design would be okay these are some overall findings the most important thing is the fancy design the research indicated that that was by far the most important factor innovativeness was about half as important as the fancy design by innovativeness this means function functions which are not featured in other remote controls about half of half as important as the innovativeness was the was easy to use for our group we are focusing on the people of 60 80 years old this is these factors are slightly more equal okay these are some more group specific findings the older people prefer dark colors they like recognizable shapes and familiar material and our surveys have indicated that especially wood is pretty much the material for older people this image will give you a little bit of an impression about the look and feel that the remote should have this leads us to some personal preferences the remote control and the docking station should blend in in the room so this would mean no eye catching designs just keep it simple and well the docking station and the small screen would be here main points of interest because this would be the these would be the innovativeness in the remote control so this would be very important that we at least include these features well the trend watchers i consulted advice that it should be the remote control and the docking station should be telephone shape so you could imagine that the remote control be standing up straight in the docking station this is not really this is pretty much a new shape to older people so they would prefer a design where the remote control just lies flat in the docking station so it would be kind of more telephone shape besides that we would advise to bring 2 additions one with a wood like color and maybe feel and one with a gray black color the wood like for the more like for the more exclusive people people with more money the great black color for well people with less means that would be all okay thank you any questions about the trends so yeah yeah some research about designing of interface last meeting we had about using a few buttons so that is what i want to do in our design finding an attractive way to control the remote control i found something about a different control something about speech recognition so maybe we can use that and using a little display findings just just to focus on the primary functions so only a button for sound for on off shifting up a set again a channel or shifting down let us see yeah we need some new and attractive functions which attract people for using it so it is like speech recognition and special button for selecting subtitles just that we mentioned last meeting and yeah overall user friendly so using large buttons it is possible to make a quite cheap system for speech recognition you can think about when you lost your remote control you can call it and give us a signal signal so yeah and for shifting up a channel or for putting out the sound or something you can just give a sign say sound off or and and yeah television put the sound off put the sound off let us see yeah i was thinking about a special button for subtitles just one button to keep it simple one push on the button you get small subtitles double push push of double click so you get big subtitles for people who can read small subtitles so yeah and we have to keep in general buttons so the buttons we have to use the on off sound on off sound higher lower and the numbers 0 to 9 the general button more general one button for shifting down the channel also we want to use a little display for for displaying the functions of the buttons and we can build in a function which shows the channel or which the television is on so i made a little picture of it let us see let us see yeah just we can put on off button over here in this corner almost all remote controls are using on off button on that place so people will recognize the button so display of it it is just a small display we can put it on top it is the most yeah place where people most look at so and a special button for shifting up and shifting down a channel it is on place where the thumb of the so you can easily shift up or shift down it is quite any place and other functions for subtitle one button for sound and the overall design we have to discuss about it i think i think so the form of it okay and that is it thank you okay about the components design for the energy source we can use a basic basic battery or as an optional thing kinetic energy like in a watch which you just shake and it produces energy but if we choose for that option the ducking station would become obsolete so i do not think it is really an option for the casing the manufacturing department can deliver a flat casing single or double curved casing it is really up to the design that we are going to use it is it does not imply any technical restrictions as a case supplement we could i thought of that later a rubber belt like anti slip for the buttons we can use plastic or rubber and the chipset it is as simple here but it should be advanced because we are using an lcd screen and as the trend watch here presentation showed the presentation showed people like wood but it raises the price and it does not really fit the image unless we would start 2 product lines the form should follow function overall well the kinetic energy source is rather fancy but it depends on what we want i think we should discuss that for the case the supplement and the buttons really depends on the designer and the chip set and the chipset really should be advanced because otherwise it would really be a simple remote control that is it okay thank you so that brings us to the discussion about our concepts so these are the points we have to discuss 1st i think we can talk about the energy source since it has a pretty big influence on production price and and image so i think 1st of all we have to see it is possible to introduce kinetic energy in our bridges there are 4 options we could use the basic normal battery a hand dynamo but i do not think that is really an option you do not want to swing before you can watch television solar cells but not every room is very light so it is not a very good option or the kinetic energy yeah okay and how exactly does the kinetic energy works well you just you basically shake your remote and then it powers up yeah yeah okay well personally i do not think that older people like to shake their remote control before they use it yeah that is true and besides that you mentioned it would make the docking station obsolete and i think our docking station could be one of the marketing issues with which we could get great popularity for a product yeah what is the function yeah for loading up the batteries yeah you could load the batteries you could insert the find the lost remote control function in there okay i will not use much energy i believe it is just a small display so i believe it will run on one battery for 6 months or more so i believe one battery is just enough well i think elderly people just like to have everything in place and i do not think they like remote just laying everywhere in their rooms so maybe a docking station will help them give the remote a place and also what you said you can introduce voice recognition by finding back your remote but i think it is more efficient and cheaper to put it in the docking station so you have a button on your docking station which you can push and then it starts beeping and then we can still use the voice recognition but maybe then for only the channels i am wondering what will the voice recognition mean for the production price yeah that is a good point i do not have any information on pricing so i will have to ask the manufacturing department because in our earlier market research if you would allow me to yeah so it is a flatboard go ahead so it was open here we also asked if they would if people would pay more for speed recognition in a remote control well you can see here our target group would not do that no so if they would increase the price for which we are selling our remote control remote control i would greatly advise not to do it yeah i think it would be better to insert in our other product that is meant for the younger people but that would also go for the lcd screen then i guess it is a bit higher percentage but well this is yeah but this is here the question was would you prefer it so that does not really mean they would not pay extra for it and on top of that the lcd screen would help in making the remote control easier to use yeah and i think a voice recognition function would not make the remote control much easier to use no i think that is a good point but as this research about a bit large lcd display or just a small one we want to use well this was for like an lcd screen like you would have on the most advanced mobile phones okay so pretty large yeah yeah i personally think the lcd screen we want to use with the extra information i think nobody has anything against it because it is just some extra information and it is easy to ignore as well so if you do not want to use it you just do not use it and yeah i think maybe we have to discard voice recognition because it will increase cost significantly and i do not think it will be a lot easier to use as well so that brings us back to the energy if we do not have voice recognition it will it will not use a lot of energy to use so in that case we could use kinetic energy but i think just a simple battery which you can reload on a docking station is just as good and much cheaper as well and that is the best choice okay let me just choose for the battery that brings us to the chip well there is not any choice there because we are using the display so it has got to be advanced okay advanced chip and then we get to the point of the case which brings us a little bit back to marketing as well if you want to choose for wood or the black and gray or both as we saw there is not wood is a lot more expensive to produce but i think it will attract elderly people who want to have something exclusive which they can show off to their grandkids look i have got a new remote control i do not know i think important factor there is the wooden color so it would actually have to be wood yeah it is just that is right wood colored but wood color was a lot more expensive or i do not know you do not know i will have to i think so because yeah it is a lot more difficult to to handle and to get in the right shape is it possible to make a changeable okay so you got with mobile phones so like the nokia mobile phones yeah when you can change the case of it so it is the cases yeah maybe it is possible possibility so you have just to make one standard remote control and you can sell a few you can sell the case yeah yeah i think that is a very good option because then you can advertise as well with the give your grandfather a new case for his remote control or whatever because it is something extra it is something other remotes do not have which we can get a greater advantage point so and then you can make a moose color black and gray other colors as well yeah we would have to look carefully into the design though because we would have to make one more control which would fit in with a wooden cover and plastic cover yeah original one or standard one yeah would so you suggest we should design 2 different telephones on which you can apply remote control on which you can apply different case covers well no i for example we should just we should then just design one remote but it would have to be fancy with either the wood cover or the yeah plastic one okay so but that should not be too much of a problem so everybody is okay with the changing covers does not think that is a good good option i heard our industrial designer talk about flat single and double curved yes could you explain that a little more well the general like most older remotes are flat just straight and our manufacturing department can also deliver single curved or double curved cases and what would single curved and double curved mean it would just only affect the form for a far as far as far as for as far as i know so it is really just up to the design department what we are going to use it does not really matter for the price or the functionality so we can pretty much just pick one you like yes that is good but the form has to be it has to it has to be possible to stand up or just only to lay down and the the cover of the docking station is also on top of the television then or not well or besides it and you can just yeah click it in that is okay so the interface what type of interface do we want to use maybe you can make a little drawing of it and on the the board somebody has ideas for a form or we can just use the regular form of it but it is not quite fancy so you said you wanted to put the changing channels button on the right side so you can so your thumb would be easily well i think that is a very good point because i pointed out earlier that a lot of remotes cause r srizai so that would be great for that i thought maybe we could just make one of those buttons on both left and the right side for left handed users also it is possible to program it is so you got on the left side or on the right side buttons for shifting up and shifting up and on the other other side on other side buttons for shifting for for the sound well like yeah we could do that but i am not sure if that would be very good for the easy ease of use a bit yeah use of use of use will be a lot more difficult but if we would make changing channels and changing volume button on both sides so it would certainly you have great options for the design of the remote because it could be made all symmetrical and stuff yeah but you have extra buttons so people can get confused that is true especially if they have the same writings on it see or we have to make a left can we make a remote which you can flip over and use over and use on the same functions as the normal one you mean then you have let us see if you can blank one then you get here is a little lcd screen now i have to think have to think plus a +and the mean because the +and the mean will be opposite and all kinds of no that is not going to work i guess maybe it should yeah but is it a problem that left handed persons use a different hand i think the functions are that basic that nobody should have any problems with choosing a channel that is true yeah yeah just using your thumb yeah i think we can just leave it a normal shape yeah but maybe we have to make it a bit more fancy in one or another way yeah i think we should start by choosing a case because that is the basis you are building on yeah yeah so i could draw them out let us get the flat case let us get the flat case 0 it is from the side so this is rather normal the single curve so i am not really sure what they are going to look like but i think it is something like this so this type should be better for you or better should prevent repetitive strain injury a bit and the double curved looks something like this i guess so those are the 3 options we have okay i suggest the single curve because maybe the curve is pretty good to put the screen in so that other people can use a remote control and at the same time look easily at the screen because it is a bit it has a bit of an angle you say this you got like a curve over i believe here so you want to put a display over here or not yeah i think so now it can make it do you have it upside down or do you have a top this is top okay maybe it is possible to make this side like let us see color yeah to make this side to make this side like right color a bit like so in the form of your hand so it is a yeah so the remote control i have to lay in your hand so it is possible so it is so get your mouse yeah and to put and the buttons for a the channel over here yeah that is a good one but i think it is better to put the screen on top so i just flip it 180 degrees around yeah but this place that is about here if you can have this one you turn it like this and then flip it upside down i do not know because maybe your hand is in the way if you in the way if you have to display here it is more logical to have it on top as well because like on your mobile phone it is always above so yeah maybe you should just start on a blank page so then we get that is the curve here is the curve 5 minutes here the display and then buttons and then we can have a little bit off here and here maybe just that is for left hand and right hand users yeah and then the rest of the buttons over here but on the off button still on the top yeah still here yeah and i prefer the corners to be round yeah yeah i think that would be a bit more friendly yeah okay supplements that is okay that is my mouse then we have got a general idea of the concepts and the materials we are going to use so now for the next meeting we will have to look at a feel design it is important that the corporate design image is going to be in the remote so check out the corporate website maybe the user interface design it is the same story and product evaluation so the industrial designer and user interface designer are going to work together on this one but you are going to get your instructions i think sent it by the coach so just i will put these minutes in the folder we are going to try to finish our project and make a good design for all the grandfathers and grandmothers i think which are let us see i am not sure if you are going to start right away to work together or i think you are going to fill in the questionnaires 1st and then you will get a message so that is basically it maybe this one and you can save this one in the folders group 0 yeah it is here smart boys there it is so if you want to have a look at it it is over there in the project folder and then i guess we will start in 30 minutes again thank you okay right on time 12 i am i am not i am not i am not i am so i am going to i am so i am gonnae okay okay it is now i am going to be in the best sort of design work okay okay yeah okay yeah hi hi okay okay it is good it is good