and no one wanted to even look at my resume. It wasn't being recognized. It wasn't being recognized. No. So yes. So from there, I went and actually I did the old-fashioned way. I went to all the physicians' offices in where I live and I dropped off my resume and I waited and waited. However, no calls. So my husband went to a cardiologist and they said, oh, we can do an internship with you. So I started an internship with them in 2012, and I worked my way up into the coding, and that's where my boss convinced me to take the CPC. And that was a challenge for me. And it took us a little bit of time for me to pass that test. However, I persevered and I kept going and kept learning. And each time I took the test, I got better at it and a better test taker. And I then that was in 2017 and I advanced my career and with that CPC. Awesome, that is so great to hear. What would you say to APC students taking the exam for the second, third, fourth time you are struggling. Okay, I was there and you just need to keep going. Perseverance will prevail. Every time you take the test, you learn something new and look at the scores that you get and if you aren't passing a certain subject, then study that one a little more. And don't think of it as a