but the hybrid model has made it a lot easier for individuals to get that conference experience without actually having to get on a plane, which for most of us is generally required. So I hope that continues. I think it's a great way to bring that effort and education to people who otherwise wouldn't be able to attend. But I really am looking forward to Denver because I, you know, I want to see people in person again. That's right. That's right. Well, just going back to how certifications have helped you, was there a time early in your career before you received your APC certification that the industry maybe didn't seek certification so much and then as you got into the early 2000s, it became more necessary. Yeah, I mean, if you don't like change, then health care's not the place for you. And as time goes by, this business of health care is becoming far and far more complicated. It's expensive for small private practices, you know, to stay solvent. And one of the things I noticed fairly early on in my career was that a lot of private practice was a lot of private practices expected their quotas to have the specialty certification because they knew that if they didn't, they were at financial risk. It used to be years ago, even when I first started working that you really could hire somebody who was reasonably smart to go work in your back office and get your claims out. And that was, that was, you know, back in the early 90s, when before even APC and before quotas were actually a thing. But, you know