there's no lack of information out there. You just need to know where to find it and know what is reliable. Okay. What does Pam like to do when she's not in her career, not in medical coding and work. Oh, so what do I do outside of work? Yes. I'm actually a stained glass artist. Oh, wow. Tell us a little bit about that. How did you get into stained glass artist? I get into that. I had always been interested in glass. I always like to watch the glass blowers at the State Fair and I just I thought, you know, glasses and art medium was just fascinating to me. And I always liked stained glass windows and stained glass, you know, pictures and things that I saw in craft shops. But my local high school actually offered one year a class in stained glass. I think it was a six or eight week course at my local high school. I was tickled to death because I couldn't believe my fortune. So I took the class and learned some of the basics. And then that evolved into my, you know, just visiting different glass studios, talking to the artists, learning the techniques. YouTube has been a wonderful resource and even though I've been doing this in a 15 or 20 year, I always learn something new, kind of like coding, you learn something new every day. And I enjoy doing flat panels. I don't care for three-dimensional artwork, but I do a lot of flat panels. I tend to lean towards either geometrics or fantasy pieces, you know, fairies and dragons and that sort of thing. And yeah, it's been a great hobby and I do that at my