you know, over time and I each year when the proposed rules come out, I think, you know, how am I ever going to learn all of this and how am I ever going to keep it all straight? And I think health care organizations and their executives have realized that certification is a must. We, you know, the bottom line really depends on people with the expertise that we gain through AAPC is is the catalyst for a decent bottom line and without that, you know, our organizations are at risk and so the expectation is that you know if you're going to hire somebody in your revenue cycle, they need to be certified. Okay. Now Pam, we've spoken a lot about students and this starting point for people in their careers. How about those who already have established careers but they're maybe looking for that right niche for them. You've had a lot of different roles you mentioned that you, you have friends and just about every facet in the business side of health care. And I'm sure there might have been a time or two where you're like, oh, I accepted this position and maybe it's not what I love. How would you recommend an experience coder to find that specialty that resonates with them? Well, I think one of the most helpful things a quota can do is to try to expose themselves to other arenas in health care. So it used to be when you landed a job, you stayed there for the duration, you know, you went to work, you know, when you were 18 and you left when you were 65, where you go watch and that was how it was done. That's no longer an expectation in health care. In fact