new, that that new coder did, that's why they got it. Because it wouldn't even been, you know, I've seen managers create things because somebody just is showing the effort. And I think networking and showing up the APC events for me personally as a manager when I see that I know they have the drive and sometimes honestly I've seen straight eight coders where they may have gotten a crazy you know 90% score on their CPC exam and I've seen coders that have worked so hard just to pass it and not quit. And then they want to do things with the chapter. And then the one that didn't have to try just comes and leaves and kind of just you don't see ambition or you don't see that fire. I would pick the one that's done the networking and is trying and doesn't have that, you know, has that I'm not going to quit attitude. Yes, yes. As you say all of that, Heather, I think about those soft skills that are taught in the exam, you know, the exam prepares you for all of all of those things that you'll be performing as a coder and giving you those tools, but there's this other side of carrying yourself professionally, getting along with others, and that's so critical. Absolutely. I mean, they say, you know, coding and CPCs and coders are introverts. But we still, I don't, no matter, we still are dealing with each other in a professional manner. And there is communication skills that we have to have, especially with dealing with a physician. So as I watch new, you know, new members and newly certified coders networking, we observe and watch, you know