took phone messages, started to learn a little bit about the difference between the billing that we were doing out of the office and someone else was coding it at that time, answered any questions that I could answer and escalate them as needed. Then from there, I actually started working at Medicare in Des Moines, Iowa. And I was one of the people that was on the beneficiary side, but I also helped in the anti-fraud unit for provider enrollment fraud. And that really got me into where I am now. That opened up a huge platform for me. The education education side of it for both beneficiaries and for providers. And then more moved into the facility side, not where my heart is will say. I more like the physician side, the one-on-one, the residents, especially that teaching aspect of it. I do a lot of education when I can. A lot of physicians out there don't quite understand everything a coder does. They just think sometimes we're just being mean. And that's not the case. So being able to teach at grand rounds at previous hospitals I've been at and doing that physician one-on-one education has also been a passion of where I'm at now. Have you ever worked as a pure coder? I have. I did that for about five years and then slowly got more into the IT side of health care and the revenue cycle piece and moved up from there. Okay