right? So that was my for right into this journey. And then what happened was I wanted to move on and get a higher level job. So I was recruited to work in orthopedics at Thomas Jefferson University Hospital and Pennsylvania Hospital at the time they were both in both hospitals. So I started out you know being recognized for a go-getter, a catalyst as I would say. I take one in each assignment and then I ended up moving my way up the ladder so and I just had this conversation with somebody else I never a little turned out by I was just recruited to go into the next journey and I worked doing everything and I started to have a passion right because what was not that the passion when people say I want to get into the coding and you just say I want to get into Cody you got  got to have a passion for it, right? We have to be able to peel the onion and try to figure things out, right? And that became my journey to APC. So if you've ever read anything about me or ever heard of the APC, the one thing I do say is I am on that today because of my involvement with the APC. If somebody told me 25 years ago I was speaking in front of 200 people or 300 people or being interviewed or so many things that happened over my lifetime, I was in here crazy because I used to panic when I left in a church. So things have changed. My journey into leadership, a lot of it was because of my involved with the APC, being a chapter officer, being on the board