Welcome to another edition of I'm APC. I'm A.P. Alex and today I have with me my friends. I think it's great. Thank you so much. Well, tell us, how did you get into medical coding? And did you start as a medical coder? Okay, so how did I get into medical coding? Okay, so my health, my coding career actually doesn't begin until like the 2000s, all right? So I began working in a medical records department at Cooper Hospital. So I basically in the health information management department. And as a as a, oh no let me just finish this out. Again, there wasn't an electronic medical record back then. Let me tell you this. Okay, so there were many different colors and pieces of paper. And there was many different colors of pieces of paper, and there was many chronological order. Radiological studies were green. Labs were white. They all had to be the same colors put together, and then they all had to be in chronological order. Radiological studies were green, labs were white, physician orders were pink. Okay, so you had to orderly, and that's the way those charts, you know, and that's how you would create a chart. And that chart would then be available to the clinical staff and everybody that was necessarily involved in the care of that patient. What was your biggest fear as you stepped into this career path? Or did you, were you just confident all on? I own it. Well, not fearful, but again, you need a job. And for many of the people that you're seeing, they're looking for alternatives, either be a primary job, a side hustle, or something