and found that as I met people and broadened my scope of work. I had virtually a colleague or an acquaintance in every single field in the industry and almost always when I'm faced with a question that I'm not really sure about I have I can phone a friend. I have somebody that I can call that if they don't know the answer they know somebody who will and that has been probably as valuable as anything else that I have acquired during my career that those relationships that I've gained at AAPC have made all the difference in the world. Wow, now it sounds like serving on the local level is really was really the catalyst that led you down serving nationally. Absolutely, no, and I'm one of those people with the, you know, that has to be a leader and and so, you know, these our local chapters really do struggle to find individuals, you know, who will step in as officers and I didn't mind doing that. But, you know, I recognize the risk of having the same people do the same things over and over and over again. I always encourage people, especially new quotas who ask me, what do I do? We'll get involved in your local chapter because it is a fabulous way, not only to meet people to get your name out there, but actually to gain some, you know, some leadership and managerial skills that you know, you might not think you need but you probably do. So when I got involved early on, that really was the catalyst to bigger and better things and the more I got involved in AAPC