Gina? Start from the bottom. Get in the door. You got to get in the house because if you're not in the house, and I have a really good story about that as well. If they don't know you're there, no, but it's really hard to jump in at the top level. And when you're a certified professional coder, your coder, that's your level, right? So you're immediately leaping right for the top. And unfortunately, the world doesn't work that way. And you have to prove yourself. And the only way that you can really do that unless you get lucky. And we do get lucky, know what happens, is starting at the bottom. I hired a girl, there was a girl that was hired in the kitchen of the hospital that I was working previously and she took the job in the hospital. We were sitting there we were talking and she says well I just graduated this medical billing class and I'm like which one she was like it was online through the AAPC and I said, really? I was ordering a ham and grilled cheese with ham or something. So I said, what are you doing here? And she said, I have to get in. And she started making grilled cheese sandwiches. She made grilled cheese sandwiches for about six months until I stole her, you know, but sometimes... You know, there's a relationship there. Exactly. She used to make my grilled cheese sandwiches, you know, and when she, we had this conversation, I was so, I admired her, you know, her grit. Who wants to make grilled cheese sandwiches, you know, but talk about starting, you know, on the lower floor. She was like, I was