really? And I jumped on it. I jumped on it. I jumped on it. I did that then for an interval. Started meeting with one of the physicians on a regular basis to get my certification in cardiology them and get my certification in the CPC. And I did that for an interval and then... Let me you this Heather. So how did you learn about AAPC and our credentials? Because you had you had a short time of working as a coder and then you started from scratch again. At what point did you hear about AAPC? Was it where we referred to you or did you just find us on your own? So when I got my certification it was early 2000 and one of my mentors for an interval was Renee Connor and Robin Zink. And they had said, you know, you, if you want to get anywhere, you really need to get your CPC. So Renee actually had a course and I took the course through her for, I think it was three months while I was working at the cardiology office to get my CPC and then when I wanted to car then I wanted to specialize in cardiology there wasn't a court at that time I don't even think there was there wasn't much online you, options for the CPC. So one of the physicians that I worked for had taught at Penn State, and I met with him every morning at 6 a.m. to learn the vascular system. So this is as you were preparing for the CPC exam? Yeah