I just want to feel back the layers of your early career life. So what's interesting to me is that you didn't start in coding, but that was your entry into it and you coded for many years before being certified. Usually we see someone who has a certification and then they get a job like a patient service rep or anything to get into the office. Right. But what was it like having all of that experience that you have and then studying for preparing for the exam and taking the exam? I'd imagine that helped you quite a bit. So it did in a way, but it also hurts you in a way. So the tests are more, and this is one thing I tell a lot of my new people that are just getting out of school. It is strictly by the book coding. When you've already have all that information in your head, your payer guidelines and everything and you know United Health Care or stigma is not going to pay something. That doesn't help you on the test. So in a way, it kind of hurts you a little bit. I also think though that our industry has changed so much. You can't really go into the health care field like I did 20 years ago than what you can now because everyone wants people to be able to hit the ground and running. And that's a disservice in some parts because you can't get experience if nobody's willing to give it to you. So I think the education, especially with AAPC, has that's a huge asset to anyone, whether you're seasoned or not. I mean