you know, the requirement to keep up that certification through education was for me an opportunity to go to conferences. I was fortunate enough in all of my work to have a decent education budget and so almost always was able to be able to go to either national if they were on the East Coast or regional conferences in order to get that information. I'm not a great online learner. I find it really difficult to stay focused. So for me, being in person, being able to network, being able to go up and speak to the speakers after their presentations, being able to be in the room with people who are having the same questions and problems that you are with the same kind of coding scenarios is so invaluable. And without certification, I wouldn't have needed the education and wouldn't have had the opportunity to go to the conferences, which I tell anyone, I don't care if you have to forego a vacation. It's totally worth it if you're sincere about your career and you're serious about, you know, moving ahead. It's money well spent and opportunity of a lifetime, I think, if you get the chance to go even at least just once. All right. So yeah, we have conferences all over the US, a national, and we typically have two regionals, and you have definitely had experience at those and a great, great energy at our conferences. Yes, they are. And I'm always surprised to see how big they are, especially the in person one, certainly before COVID, they're a little less