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The ownCloud Foundation will focus on supporting the collaboration of the developer community and establishing different working groups. Other tasks are further technical improvement, knowledge exchange and any community related activities. ownCloud and seven board members have officially established the ownCloud Foundation. The organization is dedicated to preserve a sustainable community ecosystem around ownCloud in order to accelerate technology development, improve open source collaboration and provide an open, manufacturer independent governance model. It provides developers, users and the entire global ecosystem with a set of shared resources to grow the footprint of public, private and enterprise ownClouds, producing the best decentralized cloud platform.
 Thank you all for being here. My name is Christian Schmitz. I would like to talk to you about the Yonklaut Foundation. But first of all, I think we should thank John, Jürgen and all the other people from the staff for the excellent organization and also the University of Nuremberg for the hospitality. So thanks for that. And I think they're doing a great job. So that as an introduction. So I'm going to talk about the Yonklaut Foundation today. I have apologies. There is a background, but apparently the light for the camera would be too weak if we dim the lights. Now you have to deal with a rather bleached picture that right there. So the way that I structured the talk was trying to be empathetic about how you would wonder what the Yonklaut Foundation actually is. And I came up with a bunch of questions that you may have in regard to the Yonklaut Foundation. So the first question I think is the obvious one. What is the Yonklaut Foundation? Yes, I think the key question that each of you might have. Secondly, I think a beneficial question is how does it affect the Yonklaut ecosystem overall? Right? Thirdly, what governance does it have? It's an open source project. So governance is a huge factor in regards to decision making. And last but not least, the most important question, how can I get involved? I think that's really the question that you all really are curious to find out about. And I will try to dive deeper into each of those points. And as soon as I'm done with my points, I would of course like to open up and ask me anything question where you can come up with any question you may have in regards to the foundation and how it's set up. So let's sort of what is the Yonklaut Foundation? First and foremost, and very simply speaking, it's a legal entity in the United States that is tailored to be a scalable organization for the Yonklaut open source project. That is the bottom line. It's an independent legal entity that is legally independent from the Yonklaut company, which is quite an important aspect in regards to open source. And it's designed to be a scalable organization that is the home to all the open source development within Yonklaut. And of course, it's for professionals and casual developers alike. So whether you're a professional or you're a casual developer, the Yonklaut Foundation is the right home for you and your activities within the Yonklaut ecosystem. So let's look at what the factors are that the foundation will address. First and foremost, of course, development. Open source development is a huge thing, so it will be a forum for that. But of course, it will also be a community forum. And with community, I mean things like getting together, sharing knowledge, sharing experiences, all of these aspects are going to be featured in the foundation. And thirdly, collaboration. Collaboration on topics beyond development. I think that's very important because of course, operations are also a factor where best practices can be shared, right? And that collaboration on these topics, that's an important thing. And lastly, outreach. And without reach, I mean reaching all the people that want to do things with Yonklaut and Yonklaut associated projects in the world and making sure that they learn about best practices or new projects where they can assist or just derive value from. These are really the core aspects of the foundation. So in summary, it's the community reloaded squared. It's going to be the new Yonklaut community home for all the people that want to contribute and have, so to say, some aspiration to contribute and collaborate. With that said, the next question is obviously, how does it affect the ecosystem? What's really the goal of affecting something? Because the first thing was just words. So let's go. First, it's a forum for your input. So however the foundation can affect the Yonklaut ecosystem really depends on what you or all want to bring to the table to make an impact. So if you have some exciting expertise and you bring it, then you will make an impact with that expertise. So it's something that cannot be easily answered in regards to without knowing what you're going to bring to it. But it's going to be there to make sure that whatever you bring, it will be put to the community. And a big factor of that is identifying synergies. We are seeing this as Yonklaut representatives or full-time Yonklaut involved people. We are seeing that a lot of people across the world in Asia, somewhere in Europe, somewhere in South America, they are all developing on the same problem. And they start writing their code and they have their little side projects that they finish or not but still put into production because it has to be done. And that is something where the foundation as a scalable entity and an organization can really bring value to you as members of the community. Because you can find someone who has the same problem and you can join forces with them and then get a better result. And that's exactly the purpose of the foundation. You're all not doing this for the foundation. You're all doing this because you have problem and cases that you want solved. And you want to find someone with a similar problem so you can join forces. I think that's really the core of the foundation using open source software best practices to make sure that it works in the end. And having some sort of system beyond it because otherwise you will not find the other person with a similar problem. And then we can go back to some very old school logic and that is the whole is more than the sum of it parts because if everyone brings five pieces to the table all of a sudden you have more than the sum and we're going back to before birth of Christ actually because that's an Aristotle quote. And that is to me personally that is the goal of the value that the foundation can provide to the ecosystem. Make sure that each brings a similar contribution but all get more return in the end than they would by doing their own projects. With that said going back to the next topic what governance does it have? It's often a touchy subject within open source software and open source projects especially giving the context of say Oracle acquiring entities like MySQL. So what we really want to make sure that you understand that it has a very, very transparent governance and the way that this foundation is run is modeled after other successful open source software foundations like OpenStack and Apache. They have proven it can work this way, it works this way and we are just going to copy it. And it already has a board of directors and that is the entity that will run the oncloud foundation and make the most important decisions and enable other people to do decisions themselves. We'll get to that in a minute. Let me just introduce you to the board of directors. The board of directors is composed of seven ecosystem stakeholders that are entities and people who are very, very strongly and strategically involved with oncloud and two community representatives. These community representatives are the only people that are not yet present on the board. That's important to notice. The other board seats are actually occupied and we're going to introduce them in a second and then I will tell you about the community representatives and how you can become one of them. The voting is starting on the 1st of October 2018. Check oncloud.org for more information on that. But you may ask yourself who can vote. The criteria is written here. Anyone with a valid CLA signed and submitted by 6 p.m. today so you can still do it. If you don't have a CLA yet, can vote for the community board seats. So whenever you want to appoint someone and have a vote on the oncloud foundation, you just have to sign a CLA to be able to do so. The reason why we have kept this at today is because it's a unique thing. It will be done now. It will maybe done repeatedly but the thing is we don't want to have an opening for someone to manipulate and have like 50 people or 100 people send in CLA applications between now and October to make sure that he gets on the board by the vote of his friends. We just didn't want to do that. So that's the reason why we have this mechanism. The future mechanism will be decided by the board of directors and this will actually be confirmed by the board of directors tomorrow. So it's not written in law yet. That is going to be the proposition to be made to the board of directors tomorrow. Now let's get to the board of directors. There is first the community elect number one and number two, the two seats that we mentioned. Thirdly, and now we are going in alphabetical order, our net has a seat on the board of directors. Our net is the Australian research and education network and they also host national libraries and various supercomputing projects in Australia and they are represented on the board by Guido Abin who is the director of e-research for our net. Secondly, CERN with one person here present and more probably coming tomorrow. CERN is the European or actually the global particle accelerator facility in Geneva and it's a global high energy physics project that is well known for receiving a Nobel prize in physics just recently and they are represented by Dr. Massimo Lamanna who is the director of storage operations I believe at CERN. Thirdly, there is the ETH Zurich often called the MIT of Switzerland. The ETH is a large university in Zurich with an engineering focus similar to the University of Aachen in Germany. ETH Zurich is represented by Dr. Thilo Steiger on the board. He is running their storage operations as well and they also have a large on-cloud service in operation like the others. Next up we have Géant. Géant is something that is an unfamiliar entity to most of you but you are all using Géant infrastructure today as we speak without noticing it most likely. Géant is the European supranational organization that represents national research and education networks. In Germany we have the DFN which is the Deutsches Forschungsnetz and in other countries we have SWITC or SERV Switzerland and the Netherlands also represented here. What Géant is doing is representing all of these in the European and international context and also providing network connectivity between those entities and also to the outside world. So they are actually running a very large hundreds of gigabit network within Europe. And they are represented on the board by Klas Wieringa. Klas Wieringa is also known for Edgerome because he invented it. So Klas is quite the famous guy at Géant and he is also on the board for Géant at the Onclaude Foundation here, unfortunately he couldn't be here today or tomorrow. Then we have the GWDG, the Gesellschaft für Wissenschaftliche Daten für Arbeiten Göttingen which is a joint venture between the University of Göttingen and the Max Planck Society. They run a very large Onclaude project for the entire state of Niedersachsen, lower Saxony and they are represented in the foundation by Dr. Philipp Wieder who is the deputy head of the GWDG. And I believe they also run an Onclaude for the Max Planck Society in various universities in Germany. So they also are a key stakeholder to the project. Next up we have Konikaminota. Konikaminota is a global printer manufacturer and smart device manufacturer and IT solution enterprise. They are using Onclaude not as Onclaude but as a product called DoCone, Sync & Share available to their customers and also to their employees. It's a system that will continue to grow and they identified the Onclaude ecosystem as really a core project for them and they are represented by Daniel Schellhaase who is a senior manager of the European headquarters. And then there is the Onclaude GMBH which is the Onclaude company that you all know. It's obvious why we are also represented there and this context it's important to point out that Onclaude does not have any particular seats that go beyond or votes that go beyond what all the other members of the board of directors have. So you can actually say that the two community elects have twice as much voting power as the company. So when it comes to discussions where you may derive that some entity may say, Oh Onclaude that's not a community project, no it's actually a very strong community project because we have a clear pattern on how community members can make decisions and they can make more decisions than Onclaude the company. It's important to point out and as you can see from all these nine people here that have a vote, Onclaude only has one vote. It doesn't have veto power, it doesn't have anything beyond the other votes. So that is the governance model. Now to the most important question we are waiting for, how can I get involved? Well first of all, you're here, you're part of the ecosystem. You are already getting involved. That's very important, right? You are here, you're getting involved. You are already doing part of your what you can do, right? So that's I think something what you can probably do, tell your friends about the conference so that they come next year. And of course ask questions we will have later on or here at the venue. Poke anyone of the people at Onclaude company or if you, I'm quite tall so you can always see me in the crowd. If you have any question about the foundation, poke me, poke anyone else. We are here to answer your questions, right? The more difficult the question the better. So don't be afraid, there are no stupid and difficult, there are no wrong questions, right? And after the question you get an answer, please provide feedback to all of the answers that you get. Open source development and open source ecosystems are a continuous development cycle, a continuous discussion and iteration of ideas. So you need to be involved, you need to provide feedback. And I think as part of the community spirit, it's much appreciated to have that feedback loop. And of course, after we all decided on something by asking questions, providing feedback and discussing, contribute. I think that's a logical step, but still important to point out, contribute with ideas, with code, with opinion. It's much appreciated. With that said, follow oncloud, on social media. Go to oncloud.org or oncloud.foundation. Join in, sign the CLA so you can vote. And with that said, we're going to put this into life practice. Ask me anything, questions and answers, please. Anyone? That's the CLA that I signed for, could you call it a count? Yes, that's the one that counts. That's the only thing that counts. Okay, yeah, I repeat it. He asked if the CLA that he signs as a developing contributor, count for these community votes, or if it's a different CLA. And I apologize for being imprecise here. Yes, that's the CLA that counts. Class, please. The The detail list of what it's already owner of is available on oncloud.foundation or oncloud.org. Oncloud.foundation will directly get you to the subpage. It's already listed there. So you will find a list of what rights the foundation has on that page. And that's already there. It's not something that needs to be put into action. That's already there. Okay. How can you get your name? How can you get elected? As part of that process, it's still being built by our people, but you will have the option to show up, right? But generally, what will be part of that process is that you can only suggest someone to be elected, including yourself, if you have signed a CLA, so that not anyone can just suggest someone. More questions. Come on guys, ask me anything. Okay. Yeah, class. So repeating the question for the stream. So you are asking if there are any concrete actions planned for the board and if so, what they are. Is that a good summary? Okay. So the first step that the board will do tomorrow is vote on the chairman of the board and the secretary of the board. We currently have an acting chairman being myself and an acting secretary of the board being Markus Rex. And tomorrow there will be a final election on this and decision on this within the board as part of the seven stakeholders that are in the board. And the next step that is already an ongoing activity is the establishment of various working groups. So I've had a discussion with our net, for example, yesterday on having a science ecosystem working group because there are a lot of scientific users in the foundation that use own cloud and they would like to join forces on specific topics that are very science oriented and have discussions and working groups on that. The second part is of course we are currently discussing in the board the drafts for the different working groups, namely the architecture working group, the development working group and also the marketing working group. So we try to set up a framework for such working groups and action groups, so to say, and then put them into live by voting on them and enacting them, which is the purpose of the board and then letting those who administer said groups roam free in their activities. So I mean the purpose of really the board is setting the guardrails and the frameworks for other people to populate. Right? I mean it's governance, it's not activity. So this is really the focus on what we do is we try to really develop governance models and governance structures so that people such as hopefully yourself can try to fill them with life opinion and action. Please. So for the stream class asked what the relation between own cloud the company and the foundation is as own cloud is also a major driver of the software project. Correct? Okay. So first and foremost legally there is no connection beyond the one board seat that the own cloud company has and of course there are these various items that you will find defined on own cloud foundation regarding intellectual property. These are the main connections in regard to governance let's say and when it comes to development there is of course one item that will be part of own cloud that will be the head of the architecture working group. That is something that own cloud as a company will occupy that position to ensure the joint solidity of the software. I think that is really the core context here but generally speaking you are of course right with your statement that people can vote with their feet so to say in regards to open source projects so if the company decides to develop entirely in a different direction then the foundation that would be very negative for an open source project hence the logic of having that architecture technical working group had from the company. I mean we are actually seeing this in a lot of discussions in the open source context right now. There are different opinions from stakeholders and customers on how to go forward and I think when you do an open source project in a productive, in a value creating way you cannot ignore the community and vice versa. You have to jointly find a common denominator and go in that direction and I think that usually works when it is reasonable and our project has shown especially since the fork that we are very reasonable at working together in a very open and documented way. Any more questions? Peter please. I would have to say that I am not enough of an expert to tell you the differences because as far as I know most of the legal frameworks were taken or strongly inspired by OpenStack. So I don't think there is a material difference. I am sure a lawyer could figure out some differences and some interpretations but that goes beyond my personal scope. Any more questions? Please. So the question was for the stream. What is the reason that the OnCloud Foundation is hosted in the United States? Yes you alluded to it already. Are there legal reasons yes because most of the well-known software foundations are in the United States. So when you look at for example someone wanting to contribute to OnCloud, let's say a large governmental organization or large corporation. When they are already engaged in the Linux foundation, the OpenStack foundation, Apache or whatever, they are the legal people and their stakeholders and those who have to approve things will usually be accustomed to the logic of software foundations in the US. So it is far easier for them to commit to something rather than reinventing something in the European Union. So we rely on best practices that somebody else has paved the way in rather than reinventing the wheel. Any more questions? Okay so thank you and sign up for the CLA and if you have any questions call me, send me an email or go to OnCloud.foundation. Thank you. Good bye. Bye. You
 Thank you all for being here.  My name is Christian Schmitz.  I would like to talk to you about the Yonklaut Foundation.  But first of all, I think we should thank John, Jürgen and all the other people from  the staff for the excellent organization and also the University of Nuremberg for the hospitality.  So thanks for that.  And I think they're doing a great job.  So that as an introduction.  So I'm going to talk about the Yonklaut Foundation today.  I have apologies.  There is a background, but apparently the light for the camera would be too weak if we dim  the lights.  Now you have to deal with a rather bleached picture that right there.  So the way that I structured the talk was trying to be empathetic about how you would  wonder what the Yonklaut Foundation actually is.  And I came up with a bunch of questions that you may have in regard to the Yonklaut Foundation.  So the first question I think is the obvious one.  What is the Yonklaut Foundation?  Yes, I think the key question that each of you might have.  Secondly, I think a beneficial question is how does it affect the Yonklaut ecosystem  overall?  Right?  Thirdly, what governance does it have?  It's an open source project.  So governance is a huge factor in regards to decision making.  And last but not least, the most important question, how can I get involved?  I think that's really the question that you all really are curious to find out about.  And I will try to dive deeper into each of those points.  And as soon as I'm done with my points, I would of course like to open up and ask me  anything question where you can come up with any question you may have in regards to the  foundation and how it's set up.  So let's sort of what is the Yonklaut Foundation?  First and foremost, and very simply speaking, it's a legal entity in the United States that  is tailored to be a scalable organization for the Yonklaut open source project.  That is the bottom line.  It's an independent legal entity that is legally independent from the Yonklaut company, which  is quite an important aspect in regards to open source.  And it's designed to be a scalable organization that is the home to all the open source development  within Yonklaut.  And of course, it's for professionals and casual developers alike.  So whether you're a professional or you're a casual developer, the Yonklaut Foundation  is the right home for you and your activities within the Yonklaut ecosystem.  So let's look at what the factors are that the foundation will address.  First and foremost, of course, development.  Open source development is a huge thing, so it will be a forum for that.  But of course, it will also be a community forum.  And with community, I mean things like getting together, sharing knowledge, sharing experiences,  all of these aspects are going to be featured in the foundation.  And thirdly, collaboration.  Collaboration on topics beyond development.  I think that's very important because of course, operations are also a factor where  best practices can be shared, right?  And that collaboration on these topics, that's an important thing.  And lastly, outreach.  And without reach, I mean reaching all the people that want to do things with Yonklaut  and Yonklaut associated projects in the world and making sure that they learn about best  practices or new projects where they can assist or just derive value from.  These are really the core aspects of the foundation.  So in summary, it's the community reloaded squared.  It's going to be the new Yonklaut community home for all the people that want to contribute  and have, so to say, some aspiration to contribute and collaborate.  With that said, the next question is obviously, how does it affect the ecosystem?  What's really the goal of affecting something?  Because the first thing was just words.  So let's go.  First, it's a forum for your input.  So however the foundation can affect the Yonklaut ecosystem really depends on what you or  all want to bring to the table to make an impact.  So if you have some exciting expertise and you bring it, then you will make an impact  with that expertise.  So it's something that cannot be easily answered in regards to without knowing what you're  going to bring to it.  But it's going to be there to make sure that whatever you bring, it will be put to the  community.  And a big factor of that is identifying synergies.  We are seeing this as Yonklaut representatives or full-time Yonklaut involved people.  We are seeing that a lot of people across the world in Asia, somewhere in Europe, somewhere  in South America, they are all developing on the same problem.  And they start writing their code and they have their little side projects that they  finish or not but still put into production because it has to be done.  And that is something where the foundation as a scalable entity and an organization can  really bring value to you as members of the community.  Because you can find someone who has the same problem and you can join forces with them  and then get a better result.  And that's exactly the purpose of the foundation.  You're all not doing this for the foundation.  You're all doing this because you have problem and cases that you want solved.  And you want to find someone with a similar problem so you can join forces.  I think that's really the core of the foundation using open source software best practices  to make sure that it works in the end.  And having some sort of system beyond it because otherwise you will not find the other person  with a similar problem.  And then we can go back to some very old school logic and that is the whole is more than the  sum of it parts because if everyone brings five pieces to the table all of a sudden you  have more than the sum and we're going back to before birth of Christ actually because  that's an Aristotle quote.  And that is to me personally that is the goal of the value that the foundation can provide  to the ecosystem.  Make sure that each brings a similar contribution but all get more return in the end than they  would by doing their own projects.  With that said going back to the next topic what governance does it have?  It's often a touchy subject within open source software and open source projects especially  giving the context of say Oracle acquiring entities like MySQL.  So what we really want to make sure that you understand that it has a very, very transparent  governance and the way that this foundation is run is modeled after other successful open  source software foundations like OpenStack and Apache.  They have proven it can work this way, it works this way and we are just going to copy  it.  And it already has a board of directors and that is the entity that will run the oncloud  foundation and make the most important decisions and enable other people to do decisions themselves.  We'll get to that in a minute.  Let me just introduce you to the board of directors.  The board of directors is composed of seven ecosystem stakeholders that are entities and  people who are very, very strongly and strategically involved with oncloud and two community representatives.  These community representatives are the only people that are not yet present on the board.  That's important to notice.  The other board seats are actually occupied and we're going to introduce them in a second  and then I will tell you about the community representatives and how you can become one  of them.  The voting is starting on the 1st of October 2018.  Check oncloud.org for more information on that.  But you may ask yourself who can vote.  The criteria is written here.  Anyone with a valid CLA signed and submitted by 6 p.m. today so you can still do it.  If you don't have a CLA yet, can vote for the community board seats.  So whenever you want to appoint someone and have a vote on the oncloud foundation, you  just have to sign a CLA to be able to do so.  The reason why we have kept this at today is because it's a unique thing.  It will be done now.  It will maybe done repeatedly but the thing is we don't want to have an opening for someone  to manipulate and have like 50 people or 100 people send in CLA applications between now  and October to make sure that he gets on the board by the vote of his friends.  We just didn't want to do that.  So that's the reason why we have this mechanism.  The future mechanism will be decided by the board of directors and this will actually  be confirmed by the board of directors tomorrow.  So it's not written in law yet.  That is going to be the proposition to be made to the board of directors tomorrow.  Now let's get to the board of directors.  There is first the community elect number one and number two, the two seats that we  mentioned.  Thirdly, and now we are going in alphabetical order, our net has a seat on the board of directors .  Our net is the Australian research and education network and they also host national libraries  and various supercomputing projects in Australia and they are represented on the board by  Guido Abin who is the director of e-research for our net.  Secondly, CERN with one person here present and more probably coming tomorrow.  CERN is the European or actually the global particle accelerator facility in Geneva and  it's a global high energy physics project that is well known for receiving a Nobel prize  in physics just recently and they are represented by Dr. Massimo Lamanna who is the director  of storage operations I believe at CERN.  Thirdly, there is the ETH Zurich often called the MIT of Switzerland.  The ETH is a large university in Zurich with an engineering focus similar to the University  of Aachen in Germany.  ETH Zurich is represented by Dr. Thilo Steiger on the board.  He is running their storage operations as well and they also have a large on-cloud service  in operation like the others.  Next up we have Géant.  Géant is something that is an unfamiliar entity to most of you but you are all using  Géant infrastructure today as we speak without noticing it most likely.  Géant is the European supranational organization that represents national research and education  networks.  In Germany we have the DFN which is the Deutsches Forschungsnetz and in other countries we have  SWITC or SERV Switzerland and the Netherlands also represented here.  What Géant is doing is representing all of these in the European and international context  and also providing network connectivity between those entities and also to the outside world.  So they are actually running a very large hundreds of gigabit network within Europe.  And they are represented on the board by Klas Wieringa.  Klas Wieringa is also known for Edgerome because he invented it.  So Klas is quite the famous guy at Géant and he is also on the board for Géant at the  Onclaude Foundation here, unfortunately he couldn't be here today or tomorrow.  Then we have the GWDG, the Gesellschaft für Wissenschaftliche Daten für Arbeiten Göttingen  which is a joint venture between the University of Göttingen and the Max Planck Society.  They run a very large Onclaude project for the entire state of Niedersachsen, lower Saxony  and they are represented in the foundation by Dr. Philipp Wieder who is the deputy head of the GWDG.  And I believe they also run an Onclaude for the Max Planck Society in various universities in Germany.  So they also are a key stakeholder to the project.  Next up we have Konikaminota.  Konikaminota is a global printer manufacturer and smart device manufacturer and IT solution enterprise.  They are using Onclaude not as Onclaude but as a product called DoCone, Sync & Share  available to their customers and also to their employees.  It's a system that will continue to grow and they identified the Onclaude ecosystem as really a core project for them  and they are represented by Daniel Schellhaase who is a senior manager of the European headquarters.  And then there is the Onclaude GMBH which is the Onclaude company that you all know.  It's obvious why we are also represented there and this context it's important to point out that Onclaude does not have any particular  seats that go beyond or votes that go beyond what all the other members of the board of directors have.  So you can actually say that the two community elects have twice as much voting power as the company.  So when it comes to discussions where you may derive that some entity may say,  Oh Onclaude that's not a community project, no it's actually a very strong community project because we have a clear pattern  on how community members can make decisions and they can make more decisions than Onclaude the company.  It's important to point out and as you can see from all these nine people here that have a vote,  Onclaude only has one vote.  It doesn't have veto power, it doesn't have anything beyond the other votes.  So that is the governance model.  Now to the most important question we are waiting for, how can I get involved?  Well first of all, you're here, you're part of the ecosystem.  You are already getting involved.  That's very important, right?  You are here, you're getting involved.  You are already doing part of your what you can do, right?  So that's I think something what you can probably do, tell your friends about the conference so that they come next year.  And of course ask questions we will have later on or here at the venue.  Poke anyone of the people at Onclaude company or if you, I'm quite tall so you can always see me in the crowd.  If you have any question about the foundation, poke me, poke anyone else.  We are here to answer your questions, right?  The more difficult the question the better.  So don't be afraid, there are no stupid and difficult, there are no wrong questions, right?  And after the question you get an answer, please provide feedback to all of the answers that you get.  Open source development and open source ecosystems are a continuous development cycle, a continuous discussion and iteration of ideas.  So you need to be involved, you need to provide feedback.  And I think as part of the community spirit, it's much appreciated to have that feedback loop.  And of course, after we all decided on something by asking questions, providing feedback and discussing, contribute.  I think that's a logical step, but still important to point out, contribute with ideas, with code, with opinion.  It's much appreciated.  With that said, follow oncloud, on social media.  Go to oncloud.org or oncloud.foundation.  Join in, sign the CLA so you can vote.  And with that said, we're going to put this into life practice.  Ask me anything, questions and answers, please.  Anyone?  That's the CLA that I signed for, could you call it a count?  Yes, that's the one that counts.  That's the only thing that counts.  Okay, yeah, I repeat it.  He asked if the CLA that he signs as a developing contributor,  count for these community votes, or if it's a different CLA.  And I apologize for being imprecise here.  Yes, that's the CLA that counts.  Class, please.  The  The  detail list of what it's already owner of is available on oncloud.foundation or oncloud.org.  Oncloud.foundation will directly get you to the subpage.  It's already listed there.  So you will find a list of what rights the foundation has on that page.  And that's already there.  It's not something that needs to be put into action.  That's already there.  Okay.  How can you get your name?  How can you get elected?  As part of that process, it's still being built by our people,  but you will have the option to show up, right?  But generally, what will be part of that process is that you can only suggest someone  to be elected, including yourself, if you have signed a CLA,  so that not anyone can just suggest someone.  More questions.  Come on guys, ask me anything.  Okay.  Yeah, class.  So repeating the question for the stream.  So you are asking if there are any concrete actions planned for the board  and if so, what they are.  Is that a good summary?  Okay.  So the first step that the board will do tomorrow is vote on the chairman of the board  and the secretary of the board.  We currently have an acting chairman being myself and an acting secretary of the board  being Markus Rex.  And tomorrow there will be a final election on this and decision on this within the board  as part of the seven stakeholders that are in the board.  And the next step that is already an ongoing activity is the establishment of various working  groups.  So I've had a discussion with our net, for example, yesterday on having a science ecosystem  working group because there are a lot of scientific users in the foundation that use  own cloud and they would like to join forces on specific topics that are very science oriented  and have discussions and working groups on that.  The second part is of course we are currently discussing in the board the drafts for the  different working groups, namely the architecture working group, the development working group  and also the marketing working group.  So we try to set up a framework for such working groups and action groups, so to say, and then  put them into live by voting on them and enacting them, which is the purpose of the board and  then letting those who administer said groups roam free in their activities.  So I mean the purpose of really the board is setting the guardrails and the frameworks  for other people to populate.  Right?  I mean it's governance, it's not activity.  So this is really the focus on what we do is we try to really develop governance models  and governance structures so that people such as hopefully yourself can try to fill them  with life opinion and action.  Please.  So for the stream class asked what the relation between own cloud the company and the foundation  is as own cloud is also a major driver of the software project.  Correct?  Okay.  So first and foremost legally there is no connection beyond the one board seat that the  own cloud company has and of course there are these various items that you will find  defined on own cloud foundation regarding intellectual property.  These are the main connections in regard to governance let's say and when it comes to  development there is of course one item that will be part of own cloud that will be the  head of the architecture working group.  That is something that own cloud as a company will occupy that position to ensure the joint  solidity of the software.  I think that is really the core context here but generally speaking you are of course right  with your statement that people can vote with their feet so to say in regards to open source  projects so if the company decides to develop entirely in a different direction then the  foundation that would be very negative for an open source project hence the logic of  having that architecture technical working group had from the company.  I mean we are actually seeing this in a lot of discussions in the open source context  right now.  There are different opinions from stakeholders and customers on how to go forward and I think  when you do an open source project in a productive, in a value creating way you cannot ignore  the community and vice versa.  You have to jointly find a common denominator and go in that direction and I think that  usually works when it is reasonable and our project has shown especially since the fork  that we are very reasonable at working together in a very open and documented way.  Any more questions?  Peter please.  I would have to say that I am not enough of an expert to tell you the differences because  as far as I know most of the legal frameworks were taken or strongly inspired by OpenStack.  So I don't think there is a material difference.  I am sure a lawyer could figure out some differences and some interpretations but that goes beyond  my personal scope.  Any more questions?  Please.  So the question was for the stream.  What is the reason that the OnCloud Foundation is hosted in the United States?  Yes you alluded to it already.  Are there legal reasons yes because most of the well-known software foundations are in  the United States.  So when you look at for example someone wanting to contribute to OnCloud, let's say a large  governmental organization or large corporation.  When they are already engaged in the Linux foundation, the OpenStack foundation, Apache  or whatever, they are the legal people and their stakeholders and those who have to approve  things will usually be accustomed to the logic of software foundations in the US.  So it is far easier for them to commit to something rather than reinventing something  in the European Union.  So we rely on best practices that somebody else has paved the way in rather than reinventing  the wheel.  Any more questions?  Okay so thank you and sign up for the CLA and if you have any questions call me, send  me an email or go to OnCloud.foundation.  Thank you.  Good bye.  Bye.  You
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