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Smith, Kathleen
Billingsley, Joseph
Felker, John
Janosek, Diane
Pimlott, Chris
Vitkovitsky, Roman
Popiak, Liz
The National Service Panel highlights the opportunities and challenges with national service, focusing on tech-related programs across the federal government. The panel is organized by the Military Cyber Professionals Association (MCPA) and includes reps discussing the US Digital Service, US Marine Corps Cyber Auxiliary, National Security Agency (NSA), US Army Cyber Direct Commissioning Program, and Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA).
 And welcome back to the Career Hacking Village. One of the things that is always of interest to many people are the various different career paths that are available in government agencies and various different agencies that are part of national service. It is our honor and pleasure to have a group of people here to share with us the various different opportunities where talented professionals can work to support our country. I would like to turn this over now to Joe Billingsley, the founder of the Military Cyber Professionals Association. Joe. Hi, Kathleen and everybody. I really appreciate the opportunity to lead the very first national security panel at the Career Village. It's really inspiring the intent behind this village and also Jeff Moss's words about connecting people with knowledge about different career opportunities for folks across the community here. So I'm really excited to be part of that and to introduce you to a number of friends and partners from different parts of the U.S. government who can tell you about different organizations and programs. And it's just a really exciting all the different stuff that's happening across the government and different opportunities to serve. First quick introduction of myself. Joe Billingsley, founder of the Military Cyber Professionals Association, a 501c3 charity that supports STEM education for K through 12 and also active duty military and veterans. I founded that with the motivation of us doing a better job as a community for those who are in the service today and who might want to serve in military capacities in the future. In addition to that, my day job, I'm a government civilian employee over at a school called the College of Information and Cyber Space. It's a really exciting place to work. It has a really long history going back to the 1960s when it was the DoD Computer Institute or the Department of Defense Computer Institute and had faculty like the legendary Grace Hopper working there. So a really fun and exciting place to work. That's also part of the U.S. government. Now I'd like to quickly go down the list of panelists that we have here today. We have John Felker who's the assistant director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, CISA, over at the Department of Homeland Security. We have Diane Janessek, the commandant of the NSA's National Cryptologic School and also president of the Women and Cybersecurity Mid-Atlantic Affiliate. We have Chris Pimla, an engineer over at the U.S. Digital Service. We also have Roman Witkovitsky who's from the U.S. Marine Corps Cyber Auxiliary. And finally we have Liz Popiak, the recently retired Lieutenant Colonel who helped create the U.S. Army Cyber Specialty Direct Commissioning Program. So with that, I'd like to start off and give each of you an opportunity to introduce yourselves and tell us about your organization or program that you're here to talk about today. But we'll get started with John. Go ahead. Thanks, Joe. I appreciate the opportunity to be here today and to be with some really great people that are interested in this effort, particularly the efforts around the workforce. So a little bit about CISA. CISA is a relatively new organization. It's been in a transition from a DHS headquarters element to an operating component since legislation was signed in late 2018 that created CISA as an agency. Our major role is we serve as the nation's risk advisor. And risk in terms of both cyber, physical and emergency communications aspects of critical infrastructure and the federal government. So a lot of people don't know what we do. That's it in a nutshell. We have basically five priorities that are the focus of what we do, all related around the federal.gov space and the critical infrastructure of the United States. If you keep in mind probably 80% of the critical infrastructure in our country is privately held. And so almost everything we do is voluntary. And in that five level priority list, election security, maintaining supply chain risk awareness and countering, particularly from China. And that's most apropos now because of the rollout of 5G technologies, protecting federal networks, securing soft targets, so stadiums, churches, those kinds of things. And then recently evolving but always been important is critical infrastructure protection for industrial control systems. So all those systems that operate the electric grid and water stations and wastewater facilities and all those kinds of things. So it's a big mission. We are a nationwide organization. We obviously have a headquarters element in the Washington, D.C. area, but we have folks out in the real world too, all over the nation in 10 different regions, supporting those basic mission areas of security for cyber, critical infrastructure, and communications. That it? Great. Thanks a lot, John. How about you, Diane? Well, hello, everyone. So I work for the National Security Agency and it is an honor to be on this career village focusing on national security because as we all know, cybersecurity is definitely a huge factor in our nation's national security and our economic security, right? Rest upon a secure digital foundation. So really a pleasure to be here. So the National Security Agency is a fabulous federal agency where I currently work. I also worked in a number of other federal agencies and they've all been equally rewarding and professionally satisfying that experience at the White House twice, the Pentagon, the Department of Justice. I've worked on Capitol Hill. I work for the judiciary branch and then in multiple elements in the Department of Defense. So fabulous, fabulous place to really spend your career or just spend a few years working on the federal service side. It's extremely rewarding. The National Security Agency has an incredible mission. As we know, it really is there to protect our nation. So we have both a cyber, we have a cybersecurity mission and we also have a signals intelligence mission. And so I think a little bit further, we're going to hear from Joe. He's going to ask us what jobs are available and we have phenomenal opportunities to learn and they really are very professionally rewarding and the people that you work with love what they do. You know, you want to work in an environment where people enjoy coming to work, enjoy working with you and enjoying people learning. So I have the tremendous opportunity to lead one of a premier learning institution for the National Security Cryptologic Enterprise, a global enterprise around the world with tens of thousands of students across multiple disciplines, including cryptology, cyber language and leadership and business. So I've enjoyed every step of the way along my federal career and just really appreciate the opportunity on the panel. Thanks so much, Diane. How about you, Chris? You want to unmute, Chris? Focus right thing. All right. Hey, I'm Chris. I'm an engineer from US Digital Service. We are a group of technologists. We work across the government on a tour duty model. We've been doing it for like six months to four years and we bring together engineers, designers, product managers and trackers to improve government services for the American people. What's really great about US Digital Service is we have an opportunity to work all across government with lots of different agencies. So we have worked on a lot of great public facing services, making sure that we are trying to do the greatest good for the greatest number of people and the greatest need. The projects like va.gov, creating a new portal that is user focused for veterans to be able to get the services and benefits that they have earned through their service. Working with US citizenship and immigration services to help people get green cards and their naturalization status is faster. Small business administration helping to help people get investments and services and grow their community. All sorts of things across the board. It's a really great group of opportunities. Thanks a lot Chris and especially thank you as a veteran. I really appreciate the work that the US Digital Service has done in that department. Now on to you Roman. Sure. Thanks Joe and thank you Chris for your help. As a recent veteran of the Marine Corps myself after serving about 30 years, I was about nine years enlisted and spent the remaining time as an officer working in cyber and communication. Since then I've now come in to join the Marine Corps Cyber Exhilary. With the Cyber Exhilary we facilitate public-private partnerships with the Marine Corps so that we can advance our national interests while keeping in mind the fact that people would provide national service in a context which is safe for all of us. Thanks Joe. Wonderful. How about you Les? Well as you mentioned earlier I recently retired from the Army 20 year Army officer as a cyber warfare professional and most recently was the Chief of the branch at the office of the Chief of Cyber at Fort Gordon, Georgia. The purpose of the being on the panel today is to talk about the program that I helped create in my last few years of service called the Army Cyber Specialty Direct Commissioning Program and this program was the genesis of which was the recognition that there are concerned and talented civilians throughout our nation that want to serve in a capacity of which they can't do in their private sector. For example maybe they want to exercise and project power in and through the networks and through cyberspace and as a civilian that can be something that maybe is not necessarily illegal. So the cyber program here was created to find a way for them to come and do that on behalf of their nation, behalf of their fellow citizens also to defend our networks. As you mentioned Joe most of the infrastructure belongs to private sector so Loverdino's public private partnerships especially in some of the Title 32 National Guard organizations they can do some of those things. So for people who maybe who've maybe made their fortune but maybe they want to come and serve they can participate in this program. There are many requirements for example there's a background check they needed to pass to earn a top secret clearance so that's something people need to keep in mind. But this is something that I'm very proud to help build so I was able to leverage my connections inside the National Security Agency, people in the Pentagon, Army staff and other services to help bring this program to fruition. Thanks. Awesome thank you so much Liz. Now with the typical DEF CON attendee in mind somebody with serious technical skills but somebody who also may not have ever worked for or with the government can you please talk about some of the opportunities provided by those organizations or programs that you're here to discuss today and if you want to talk about some of the benefits of serving through those programs and some of the challenges feel free to discuss those too. We'll get started with you John the same order please. Okay I didn't want to step on anything there Joe. So you know you talk about technical capability and obviously with the focus on cyber that's something that's inherent in what we do in CISA. We have as I said earlier a lot of the work almost all the work we do frankly is voluntarily based and so understanding how different things work and being able to link those things together create partnerships to help critical infrastructure better defend themselves is essentially one of the core things that we do. So if you've got a lot of really high price talent like we do from anything from intelligence analysts to incident responders to threat hunters who go online both externally and internally in the typical red team types looking through vulnerability management processes and all the things you might expect from a technical perspective and by the way we're hiring and I'm going to say that probably six times today. There are also less technical roles that we have in CISA that revolve around things like governance, policy, practice, partnerships and things like that. So it's a combination of technical and non-technical with a technical sort of a slant to help us do the mission that we are charged with doing. And I think one of the things that's important to remember is with the stand up of the agency we've had an opportunity to sort of reset the culture and one of the big things that Director Krebs has been pushing has to do with personnel development. How do we develop our folks from start to finish? What opportunities do we provide them for training, for education, opportunities to actually practice their craft? We have folks that get to do really cool stuff every single day and that's one of the great things about it and if you want to encapsulate that I want to one word it's about mission. We have a great mission, we have some great people to work on that mission and our objective is to train you, to develop you and to help make you as professional and as solid as you can be to do what you're charged to do and then work you into our structure and get on with it. The biggest thing and this is a personal philosophy of mine is train them, watch over them so they become good, help them develop and then turn them loose and let them do their job. And I think that there's a lot of value in that and by doing that I think we create a cycle of development and one thing to point out too and I think Liz might have said this earlier relates to in government and out of government. I have no problem with people leaving CISA, I like to keep them but when they go out into the private sector or they go into a different federal agency or a state local agency for that matter we always tell them you're always welcome back because they bring another wealth of experience with them if we provide them the opportunities to do that and encourage them to grow and to build on their skills. So that's sort of how we look at it from my perspective particularly if we're going to point right at some of the typical participants at DEF CON. Well thank you John and so the National Security Agency partners really closely with DHS and CISA and so a lot of what John said definitely applies to my mission to speak. So to answer Joe's question kind of you know what opportunities are available I thought I might just mention a little bit more about what NSA does and then I'll give you a couple of examples of things that you can do. The nice thing about the National Security Agency and the Department of Defense is that they are truly committed to lifelong learning as we know the cyber arena is so incredibly complex changes every single day the threats are different the nation state adversaries keep using different techniques so you have to say you know very active in your learning and that's on the job learning formal training and informal training and just a lot of opportunities that's the enterprise that I work run is the learning enterprise for so many intelligent brilliant people you know we have PhDs we'll continue you know you have to no matter what your grade level is in terms of your academics you keep going further so the National Security Agency is a unique asset for our country we save lives defense battle networks and we advance US goals and alliances so we were a met a member of the Department of Defense and the intelligence community so it makes it pretty interesting because your mission is so incredibly rewarding and to mention what John said about going in and out of the government sector in the private sector coming back we love that and it's valued and celebrated because the more talents and knowledge that you have you're going to help us be better and help our country be better and really really grow so the National Security Agency is a world leader in cryptology the art and science of making and breaking codes and it's an expertise that we get from people and technology right it's got here we really need that people component so if you find that you know the mission interesting you know definitely consider it and so the reason what makes it a little bit different is because for us to do our jobs well and really help our nation be strong we need to understand what our adversaries are doing what the capabilities are and we also be able to be able to communicate and exchange some of our information with our own allies and our senior leaders so we need to understand what's going on and then also provide for secure communications so it's pretty exciting with SIGIN and cybersecurity so the opportunities are tremendous at nsa.gov we have developmental programs you'll even get you know you'll be paid to get to continue your education while you're going through it we have tremendous opportunities for physicians there's computer network defense analysts computer network operators capabilities development specialists so folks that understand and provide real-time sensitive mission support by maintaining situational awareness of potential cyber threats they leverage technical methods to manage and monitor and execute large-scale operations so if you're if that sounds remotely interesting to you and as I said we really just we just want the best talent if that sounds remotely interesting to you I recommend you you know go to intelligencecareers.gov take a look at that and it might just be the time for you to take a look at it and really jump in and what you'll find is people have a profound sense of contribution and service to the nation we've had a number of incredibly brilliant people leave do startups then actually want to come back to the agency not for the money but because the mission and how incredibly rewarding it is to just be you know really putting Americans first so thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to talk about what we do because it's really really great and I hope you enjoyed us. Yeah thank you um and yeah so it's it USDS I feel is a pretty unique position so as an engineer at USDS we we talked on so many different projects there's so many different opportunities that we have to serve and make an impact so I would say just to someone coming to to USDS there's you really have a wide range of opportunities to find ways to make a great impact on the public and some of that is very technical work we develop and ship applications we we get websites working in the crash we do security audits we you know we do discovery sprints and and dig through systems and give recommendations to help an agency make improvements and make good investments in the technology but they all have in common is is a big impact and a big real-world impact on the public like like the others have said that the mission is really something that is just hard hard to beat and it's also something that really resonates um resonates with me but it's just everyone that we work with we're all here because of that we're here because we're we want to we are aligned on that mission to help people I come from the private sector a lot of folks in USDS do and for a lot of folks this is our first job in the in the private in the public sector and so you know I've worked around places and I've enjoyed my enjoyed my opportunities but you know I was looking for something more and I was looking for a way that I could use my skills to really do do the most that they could that really was was worth spending the time the effort to do to to you know pour my heart into all this work and to have it really be meaningful um but I would also say that you know engineers I'm an engineer I love engineering I love talking about tabs and spaces and crypto and what language is better and which editor to use but it's also not just about engineers it's it's also technology is important but it's also about solving the right problems and solving in a way that actually works for people so we're also looking for great designers we're looking for great product managers people who understand the way that technology is not a tool and a website since it's a tool but it's a service that needs to be designed the user in mind and designed in a way that works for them and isn't just kind of made to take off some requirements or some boxes it's got to be thought through from start to finish as a as an experience for the user that really works for them thanks Chris you know the Marine Corps Cyber Auxiliary is a unique organization right like some of us here it's a volunteer organization and what we're trying to do then is enhance the Marine Corps ability to operate in cyberspace so we recently came across the situation where we didn't have formally trained and designated Marines in cyberspace and it's only been within the last couple of years that we've had a an occupational field for cyberspace operations and we've now had the first Marines cross the yellow footprints at boot camp graduate and enter the field to become cyberspace operators in the Marine Corps we've had people operating the Marine Corps in cyber for 30 years of course but we've always been organized somewhat differently now we've come together formally under the 1700 MOS field and we are working together to to move forward what the cyber auxiliary does is it takes volunteers from civil service excuse me volunteers from the private sector and allows people who currently might serve serve billets in civil service or augmented through contractors or perhaps previously served and have been honorably discharged and it permits those people who are US citizens who have a minimum of three years experience in the cyber industry who are highly regarded in their field and are enthusiastic volunteers and it takes them brings them forward to help shape to train to educate to advise and to mentor the young Marines moving forward in cyber and we'll talk a little bit more about some of those opportunities that have come across and where people have made a huge impact suffice it to say that the cyber ox is part of that larger Marine Corps effort to posture our forces to operate in the information environment more effectively and we're managed by highly qualified talent in uniform and to wrap it all up frankly like Liz can point out if you are interested in wearing uniform and popping back in you've got an opportunity through her program however if you do not need to wear a uniform and if you are not particularly interested in crossing those physical security those physical fitness standards of a Marine of the military you'll still be welcome to join us here at the Marine Corps Cyber Exit Larry go ahead Liz. Thanks Roman so people who wish to wear a uniform the Cyber Specialty Direct Commissioning program might be for you if it's something you've considered at least consider applying you never know when your particular skills may be in high demand to help your nation accomplish their goals so and if you also have a leadership you know streak you know say I want to be a leader I want to help coach train mentor others and put my skills to work some of the skills that may are in demand as of when before I retired are software engineers looking for data scientists machine learning expertise open-sec engineers ICS data expertise I know John knows that's in high demand AI expertise as well so there's for example there's a whole center the BUD has built for artificial intelligence and last I checked Army was working with them to build some requirements for uniformed Army cyber warfare officers to come and work there with those holes at that joint artificial intelligence center. A high impact example of one of our great commissionees was we had a civilian who felt like he had made his fortune and was a prior service individual applied for the program and was accepted one of the first two people commissioned in the program helped build the virtual persistent training environment for all of the Army's cyber space operators to use this was a program that had been developing for many years but was really able to kick it into high gear and apply their software engineering expertise and really get it built and now the door functional fully operationally capable for people to use and I think people probably Diane at the agency may also use this persistent training environment that was built so you never know when you'll be able to have an impact until you try and so highly encourage everyone to consider serving in a uniform you can find more information about the current requirements at goarmy.com forward slash cyber that's the website you can go those there's a link there for the drip commissioning program and the current requirements should be listed there for you to review there's also instructions on how to apply so benefits of serving in a uniform so there are many benefits I think that for uniformed service the minimum number of years to achieve some of these benefits is three years and I think 90 days so given a tour you don't need to sign up for any longer than your first tour to achieve some of these but if you're interested in say the post 9-11 GI bill for your own professional education master's degree this can be transferred to your children or even to your spouse so that provides money for a graduate level an undergraduate degree programs for them also access to a VA loan program home loan program so we will to afford a home with a zero percent down zero down payment on the home that's something that uniform members of all services have access to that might be attracted to somebody who's interested in buying a home you should also know for salary army cyber worker officers most of our assignments are at Fort Gordon Georgia and Fort Meade Maryland so if you like Fort Meade and you like Fort Gordon so please consider cyber warfare might be the branch for you we don't have many positions in places like say Fort Hood Texas that's not so place to send people you don't have to be worried about going to Antarctica or Alaska or places that you be in we're far from locations and we also now have Army cyber headquarters is moving for Gordon I anticipate in the next year and also cyber command headquarters at Fort Meade Maryland that's another place we have a lot of assignments there but that's part of the requirements and there's developing locations where you can see future service so some other benefits are listed at military one source dot mill as website so and a little lot of listing all of them I encourage you go visit military one source dot mill or go army dot com for slash cyber to get that information there and one other place you can get information if you have your pencil handy is to on your phone text to the word cyberspace one word to 22828 and that will put you in contact with a recruiter at the office of the Chief of Cyber and they'll get in contact with you about opportunities to serve cool that was a that was a really great rundown everybody thank you so much um with us running out of time unfortunately for this panel I just wanted to to go down the list one more time see if you had any closing thoughts and words and any tangible advice that you like to share with the audience well sure um obviously coming into uh to government service has its challenges um there there is a challenge obviously between pay in the federal government and other government and the private sector there's the challenge of navigating the hiring process which can be very difficult in in government there's the challenge of getting the security clearance if you haven't gotten one already um and if you if you're considering coming to work with us in SZA you can help us to to push the envelope on all those challenges with the idea in mind that this is about the mission and if you come in with a mission focus you're going to have some great success the collateral to that in my mind is we are trying to take what was a headquarters component element now an operational agency and make a huge cultural change and some of the things that we're pushing are innovation speed partnerships and keeping it all within that mission focus so if if you have the desire we're looking we're hiring we've got plenty of positions both in the DC area and around the nation where we're looking for quality cyber talent and people who have a mission focus so I'll leave it at that Joe and I'll give it over to the next in line John Diane great thank you John and uh I just wanted to say you know consider this opportunity for federal service if you're ever the remotest interest in working with people that are innovative and passionate love what they do uh continual learners commitment to just partnering and collaborating is a great environment um you know and also want to mention for it is a little more male dominated as you know but there are professional communities like women in cybersecurity that give you a sense of community um outside the workplace to really help you give you the skills that you might need inside the workplace to navigate that so love to see you um and thank you so much yeah I would just say definitely um I never really thought that I would necessarily end up being a federal employee you never really know what's going to happen but you know we as technologists we have a really incredible amount of power with the skills that we have and government is a really great place to make a huge impact with that power so uh USDS we have a unique model where we turn you do terms of service so um it doesn't have to be a lifelong commitment uh we can do as short as like three to six months and up to four years so um if you want to do that and then go back to private sector then we are very happy to to have you um and have your impact uh USDS.gov is our website um and if you want to see also more information about some of the work we do at the bottom of the page we have our impact report we just listed talking about some of the the big projects that we've done in the last year including some of the things that that I've been lucky enough to work on but yeah we really are trying to break down that bridge uh build bridges and break down those walls between private and public sector and bring the best of private sector technology into government and improve everything for the American people. Thanks Chris we've all heard that advice you should bloom where you're planted and there've been many many opportunities to do that here if you'd like to be a marine there is a path in cyber if you want to wear a uniform if you find that you have other skills and perhaps you've held a career elsewhere in life you can still affect marines who serve by shaping capture the flag uh exercises and developing other tools that might help marines in uniform you might you can also assist with our summer programs helping with the young marines and helping to the helping with those who provide STEM education for young people in our country who are then shaped to serve themselves better through a cyber career path as you move forward one thing that I'd like to leave you with is you could follow us on LinkedIn and you can help to serve wherever you are in the nation today without having to wear a uniform but with having your heart in the right place and that brings us to Liz. Thanks Carmen so the somethings to keep in mind with uniform service that may not be as comfortable is the physical training requirements so if you're not familiar with some of the physical requirements for the different services um in particular my experience with the army you can find that on goarmy.com so the physical fitness test you'll need to take that place to hear and then you'll need to be able to pass those standards to pass your basic school so that's really very important to to understand and also keep in mind that your technologist like as Chris was describing you know a technologist focus but you're also a leader so an individual leader soldiers um in the army and the air force I understand it's a community program as well so great well thank you very much Liz and and everybody on the panel and and Kathleen and also Travis and the other folks behind the scenes the only things that I'm going to leave you with is a reminder about USAjobs.gov which is a huge database of a lot of opportunities for employment across the US government and also because I didn't mention it earlier as a disclaimer everybody's opinions expressed in this panel were their own and not necessarily those of any government entity and with that I'm going to hand it back over to Kathleen thank you so much everybody so great panel everyone thank you so much I know that you opened everyone's eyes to new opportunities for their careers I want the audience to know that also within the career coaches we do have at least 40 percent of the career coaches have had some kind of government service or military service so they are open to be able to provide you their perspectives and their tips on how to fulfill your career within national service we also do have resume reviewers recruiters who are familiar with recruiting for federal agencies and for government contractors thank you so much everyone and thank you to all of our panelists we'll see you for the next session
 And welcome back to the Career Hacking Village.  One of the things that is always of interest to many people are the various different career  paths that are available in government agencies and various different agencies that are part  of national service.  It is our honor and pleasure to have a group of people here to share with us the various  different opportunities where talented professionals can work to support our country.  I would like to turn this over now to Joe Billingsley, the founder of the Military Cyber  Professionals Association.  Joe.  Hi, Kathleen and everybody.  I really appreciate the opportunity to lead the very first national security panel at  the Career Village.  It's really inspiring the intent behind this village and also Jeff Moss's words about connecting  people with knowledge about different career opportunities for folks across the community  here.  So I'm really excited to be part of that and to introduce you to a number of friends and  partners from different parts of the U.S. government who can tell you about different organizations  and programs.  And it's just a really exciting all the different stuff that's happening across the government  and different opportunities to serve.  First quick introduction of myself.  Joe Billingsley, founder of the Military Cyber Professionals Association, a 501c3 charity  that supports STEM education for K through 12 and also active duty military and veterans.  I founded that with the motivation of us doing a better job as a community for those who  are in the service today and who might want to serve in military capacities in the future.  In addition to that, my day job, I'm a government civilian employee over at a school called  the College of Information and Cyber Space.  It's a really exciting place to work.  It has a really long history going back to the 1960s when it was the DoD Computer Institute  or the Department of Defense Computer Institute and had faculty like the legendary Grace Hopper  working there.  So a really fun and exciting place to work.  That's also part of the U.S. government.  Now I'd like to quickly go down the list of panelists that we have here today.  We have John Felker who's the assistant director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security  Agency, CISA, over at the Department of Homeland Security.  We have Diane Janessek, the commandant of the NSA's National Cryptologic School and also  president of the Women and Cybersecurity Mid-Atlantic Affiliate.  We have Chris Pimla, an engineer over at the U.S. Digital Service.  We also have Roman Witkovitsky who's from the U.S. Marine Corps Cyber Auxiliary.  And finally we have Liz Popiak, the recently retired Lieutenant Colonel who helped create  the U.S. Army Cyber Specialty Direct Commissioning Program.  So with that, I'd like to start off and give each of you an opportunity to introduce yourselves  and tell us about your organization or program that you're here to talk about today.  But we'll get started with John.  Go ahead.  Thanks, Joe.  I appreciate the opportunity to be here today and to be with some really great people that  are interested in this effort, particularly the efforts around the workforce.  So a little bit about CISA.  CISA is a relatively new organization.  It's been in a transition from a DHS headquarters element to an operating component since legislation  was signed in late 2018 that created CISA as an agency.  Our major role is we serve as the nation's risk advisor.  And risk in terms of both cyber, physical and emergency communications aspects of critical  infrastructure and the federal government.  So a lot of people don't know what we do.  That's it in a nutshell.  We have basically five priorities that are the focus of what we do, all related around  the federal.gov space and the critical infrastructure of the United States.  If you keep in mind probably 80% of the critical infrastructure in our country is privately held.  And so almost everything we do is voluntary.  And in that five level priority list, election security, maintaining supply chain risk awareness  and countering, particularly from China.  And that's most apropos now because of the rollout of 5G technologies, protecting federal  networks, securing soft targets, so stadiums, churches, those kinds of things.  And then recently evolving but always been important is critical infrastructure protection  for industrial control systems.  So all those systems that operate the electric grid and water stations and wastewater facilities  and all those kinds of things.  So it's a big mission.  We are a nationwide organization.  We obviously have a headquarters element in the Washington, D.C. area, but we have folks  out in the real world too, all over the nation in 10 different regions, supporting those  basic mission areas of security for cyber, critical infrastructure, and communications.  That it?  Great.  Thanks a lot, John.  How about you, Diane?  Well, hello, everyone.  So I work for the National Security Agency and it is an honor to be on this career village  focusing on national security because as we all know, cybersecurity is definitely a huge  factor in our nation's national security and our economic security, right?  Rest upon a secure digital foundation.  So really a pleasure to be here.  So the National Security Agency is a fabulous federal agency where I currently work.  I also worked in a number of other federal agencies and they've all been equally rewarding  and professionally satisfying that experience at the White House twice, the Pentagon, the  Department of Justice.  I've worked on Capitol Hill.  I work for the judiciary branch and then in multiple elements in the Department of Defense.  So fabulous, fabulous place to really spend your career or just spend a few years working  on the federal service side.  It's extremely rewarding.  The National Security Agency has an incredible mission.  As we know, it really is there to protect our nation.  So we have both a cyber, we have a cybersecurity mission and we also have a signals intelligence  mission.  And so I think a little bit further, we're going to hear from Joe.  He's going to ask us what jobs are available and we have phenomenal opportunities to learn  and they really are very professionally rewarding and the people that you work with love what  they do.  You know, you want to work in an environment where people enjoy coming to work, enjoy working  with you and enjoying people learning.  So I have the tremendous opportunity to lead one of a premier learning institution for  the National Security Cryptologic Enterprise, a global enterprise around the world with  tens of thousands of students across multiple disciplines, including cryptology, cyber language  and leadership and business.  So I've enjoyed every step of the way along my federal career and just really appreciate  the opportunity on the panel.  Thanks so much, Diane.  How about you, Chris?  You want to unmute, Chris?  Focus right thing.  All right.  Hey, I'm Chris.  I'm an engineer from US Digital Service.  We are a group of technologists.  We work across the government on a tour duty model.  We've been doing it for like six months to four years and we bring together engineers,  designers, product managers and trackers to improve government services for the American  people.  What's really great about US Digital Service is we have an opportunity to work all across  government with lots of different agencies.  So we have worked on a lot of great public facing services, making sure that we are trying  to do the greatest good for the greatest number of people and the greatest need.  The projects like va.gov, creating a new portal that is user focused for veterans to be able  to get the services and benefits that they have earned through their service.  Working with US citizenship and immigration services to help people get green cards and  their naturalization status is faster.  Small business administration helping to help people get investments and services and grow  their community.  All sorts of things across the board.  It's a really great group of opportunities.  Thanks a lot Chris and especially thank you as a veteran.  I really appreciate the work that the US Digital Service has done in that department.  Now on to you Roman.  Sure.  Thanks Joe and thank you Chris for your help.  As a recent veteran of the Marine Corps myself after serving about 30 years, I was about  nine years enlisted and spent the remaining time as an officer working in cyber and communication.  Since then I've now come in to join the Marine Corps Cyber Exhilary.  With the Cyber Exhilary we facilitate public-private partnerships with the Marine Corps so that  we can advance our national interests while keeping in mind the fact that people would  provide national service in a context which is safe for all of us.  Thanks Joe.  Wonderful.  How about you Les?  Well as you mentioned earlier I recently retired from the Army 20 year Army officer as a cyber  warfare professional and most recently was the Chief of the branch at the office of the  Chief of Cyber at Fort Gordon, Georgia.  The purpose of the being on the panel today is to talk about the program that I helped  create in my last few years of service called the Army Cyber Specialty Direct Commissioning  Program and this program was the genesis of which was the recognition that there are  concerned and talented civilians throughout our nation that want to serve in a capacity  of which they can't do in their private sector.  For example maybe they want to exercise and project power in and through the networks  and through cyberspace and as a civilian that can be something that maybe is not necessarily  illegal.  So the cyber program here was created to find a way for them to come and do that on behalf  of their nation, behalf of their fellow citizens also to defend our networks.  As you mentioned Joe most of the infrastructure belongs to private sector so Loverdino's  public private partnerships especially in some of the Title 32 National Guard organizations  they can do some of those things.  So for people who maybe who've maybe made their fortune but maybe they want to come  and serve they can participate in this program.  There are many requirements for example there's a background check they needed to pass to  earn a top secret clearance so that's something people need to keep in mind.  But this is something that I'm very proud to help build so I was able to leverage my  connections inside the National Security Agency, people in the Pentagon, Army staff and other  services to help bring this program to fruition.  Thanks.  Awesome thank you so much Liz.  Now with the typical DEF CON attendee in mind somebody with serious technical skills but  somebody who also may not have ever worked for or with the government can you please  talk about some of the opportunities provided by those organizations or programs that you're  here to discuss today and if you want to talk about some of the benefits of serving through  those programs and some of the challenges feel free to discuss those too.  We'll get started with you John the same order please.  Okay I didn't want to step on anything there Joe.  So you know you talk about technical capability and obviously with the focus on cyber that's  something that's inherent in what we do in CISA.  We have as I said earlier a lot of the work almost all the work we do frankly is voluntarily  based and so understanding how different things work and being able to link those things  together create partnerships to help critical infrastructure better defend themselves is  essentially one of the core things that we do.  So if you've got a lot of really high price talent like we do from anything from intelligence  analysts to incident responders to threat hunters who go online both externally and  internally in the typical red team types looking through vulnerability management processes  and all the things you might expect from a technical perspective and by the way we're  hiring and I'm going to say that probably six times today.  There are also less technical roles that we have in CISA that revolve around things like  governance, policy, practice, partnerships and things like that.  So it's a combination of technical and non-technical with a technical sort of a slant to help us  do the mission that we are charged with doing.  And I think one of the things that's important to remember is with the stand up of the agency  we've had an opportunity to sort of reset the culture and one of the big things that  Director Krebs has been pushing has to do with personnel development.  How do we develop our folks from start to finish?  What opportunities do we provide them for training, for education, opportunities to  actually practice their craft?  We have folks that get to do really cool stuff every single day and that's one of the great  things about it and if you want to encapsulate that I want to one word it's about mission.  We have a great mission, we have some great people to work on that mission and our objective  is to train you, to develop you and to help make you as professional and as solid as you  can be to do what you're charged to do and then work you into our structure and get on  with it.  The biggest thing and this is a personal philosophy of mine is train them, watch over them so  they become good, help them develop and then turn them loose and let them do their job.  And I think that there's a lot of value in that and by doing that I think we create a  cycle of development and one thing to point out too and I think Liz might have said this  earlier relates to in government and out of government.  I have no problem with people leaving CISA, I like to keep them but when they go out into  the private sector or they go into a different federal agency or a state local agency for  that matter we always tell them you're always welcome back because they bring another wealth  of experience with them if we provide them the opportunities to do that and encourage  them to grow and to build on their skills.  So that's sort of how we look at it from my perspective particularly if we're going to  point right at some of the typical participants at DEF CON.  Well thank you John and so the National Security Agency partners really closely with DHS and  CISA and so a lot of what John said definitely applies to my mission to speak.  So to answer Joe's question kind of you know what opportunities are available I thought  I might just mention a little bit more about what NSA does and then I'll give you a couple  of examples of things that you can do.  The nice thing about the National Security Agency and the Department of Defense is that  they are truly committed to lifelong learning as we know the cyber arena is so incredibly  complex changes every single day the threats are different the nation state adversaries  keep using different techniques so you have to say you know very active in your learning  and that's on the job learning formal training and informal training and just a lot of opportunities  that's the enterprise that I work run is the learning enterprise for so many intelligent  brilliant people you know we have PhDs we'll continue you know you have to no matter what  your grade level is in terms of your academics you keep going further so the National Security  Agency is a unique asset for our country we save lives defense battle networks and we  advance US goals and alliances so we were a met a member of the Department of Defense  and the intelligence community so it makes it pretty interesting because your mission  is so incredibly rewarding and to mention what John said about going in and out of the  government sector in the private sector coming back we love that and it's valued and celebrated  because the more talents and knowledge that you have you're going to help us be better  and help our country be better and really really grow so the National Security Agency  is a world leader in cryptology the art and science of making and breaking codes and it's  an expertise that we get from people and technology right it's got here we really need that people  component so if you find that you know the mission interesting you know definitely consider it  and so the reason what makes it a little bit different is because for us to do our jobs well  and really help our nation be strong we need to understand what our adversaries are doing  what the capabilities are and we also be able to be able to communicate and exchange some of our  information with our own allies and our senior leaders so we need to understand what's going on  and then also provide for secure communications so it's pretty exciting with SIGIN and cybersecurity  so the opportunities are tremendous at nsa.gov we have developmental programs you'll even get  you know you'll be paid to get to continue your education while you're going through it  we have tremendous opportunities for physicians there's computer network defense analysts  computer network operators capabilities development specialists so folks that understand  and provide real-time sensitive mission support by maintaining situational awareness of potential  cyber threats they leverage technical methods to manage and monitor and execute large-scale  operations so if you're if that sounds remotely interesting to you and as I said we really just  we just want the best talent if that sounds remotely interesting to you I recommend you you  know go to intelligencecareers.gov take a look at that and it might just be the time for you to  take a look at it and really jump in and what you'll find is people have a profound sense of  contribution and service to the nation we've had a number of incredibly brilliant people leave  do startups then actually want to come back to the agency not for the money but because the mission  and how incredibly rewarding it is to just be you know really putting Americans first so  thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to talk about what we do because it's really really  great and I hope you enjoyed us.  Yeah thank you um and yeah so it's it USDS I feel is a pretty unique position so as an engineer at  USDS we we talked on so many different projects there's so many different opportunities that  we have to serve and make an impact so I would say just to someone coming to to USDS there's  you really have a wide range of opportunities to find ways to make a great impact on the public and  some of that is very technical work we develop and ship applications we we get websites working  in the crash we do security audits we you know we do discovery sprints and and dig through systems  and give recommendations to help an agency make improvements and make good investments in the  technology but they all have in common is is a big impact and a big real-world impact on the public  like like the others have said that the mission is really something that is just hard hard to beat  and it's also something that really resonates um resonates with me but it's just everyone that  we work with we're all here because of that we're here because we're we want to we are aligned on  that mission to help people I come from the private sector a lot of folks in USDS do and for a lot of  folks this is our first job in the in the private in the public sector and so you know I've worked  around places and I've enjoyed my enjoyed my opportunities but you know I was looking for  something more and I was looking for a way that I could use my skills to really do do the most  that they could that really was was worth spending the time the effort to do to to you know pour my  heart into all this work and to have it really be meaningful um but I would also say that you know  engineers I'm an engineer I love engineering I love talking about tabs and spaces and crypto and  what language is better and which editor to use but it's also not just about engineers it's it's  also technology is important but it's also about solving the right problems and solving in a way  that actually works for people so we're also looking for great designers we're looking for  great product managers people who understand the way that technology is not a tool and a website  since it's a tool but it's a service that needs to be designed the user in mind and designed in a  way that works for them and isn't just kind of made to take off some requirements or some boxes  it's got to be thought through from start to finish as a as an experience for the user that  really works for them thanks Chris you know the Marine Corps Cyber Auxiliary is a unique  organization right like some of us here it's a volunteer organization and what we're trying to  do then is enhance the Marine Corps ability to operate in cyberspace so we recently came across  the situation where we didn't have formally trained and designated Marines in cyberspace  and it's only been within the last couple of years that we've had a an occupational field  for cyberspace operations and we've now had the first Marines cross the yellow footprints at boot camp  graduate and enter the field to become cyberspace operators in the Marine Corps we've had people  operating the Marine Corps in cyber for 30 years of course but we've always been organized somewhat  differently now we've come together formally under the 1700 MOS field and we are working together to  to move forward what the cyber auxiliary does is it takes volunteers from civil service excuse me  volunteers from the private sector and allows people who currently might serve serve billets in  civil service or augmented through contractors or perhaps previously served and have been honorably  discharged and it permits those people who are US citizens who have a minimum of three years experience  in the cyber industry who are highly regarded in their field and are enthusiastic volunteers and it  takes them brings them forward to help shape to train to educate to advise and to mentor the young  Marines moving forward in cyber and we'll talk a little bit more about some of those opportunities  that have come across and where people have made a huge impact suffice it to say that the cyber  ox is part of that larger Marine Corps effort to posture our forces to operate in the information  environment more effectively and we're managed by highly qualified talent in uniform and to wrap it  all up frankly like Liz can point out if you are interested in wearing uniform and popping back in  you've got an opportunity through her program however if you do not need to wear a uniform  and if you are not particularly interested in crossing those physical security those physical  fitness standards of a Marine of the military you'll still be welcome to join us here at the  Marine Corps Cyber Exit Larry go ahead Liz. Thanks Roman so people who wish to wear a uniform the  Cyber Specialty Direct Commissioning program might be for you if it's something you've considered  at least consider applying you never know when your particular skills may be in high demand to  help your nation accomplish their goals so and if you also have a leadership you know streak you  know say I want to be a leader I want to help coach train mentor others and put my skills to work  some of the skills that may are in demand as of when before I retired are software engineers  looking for data scientists machine learning expertise open-sec engineers ICS data expertise  I know John knows that's in high demand AI expertise as well so there's for example there's a whole  center the BUD has built for artificial intelligence and last I checked Army was working with them to  build some requirements for uniformed Army cyber warfare officers to come and work there  with those holes at that joint artificial intelligence center. A high impact example of  one of our great commissionees was we had a civilian who felt like he had made his fortune and  was a prior service individual applied for the program and was accepted one of the first two  people commissioned in the program helped build the virtual persistent training environment for  all of the Army's cyber space operators to use this was a program that had been developing for  many years but was really able to kick it into high gear and apply their software engineering  expertise and really get it built and now the door functional fully operationally capable for  people to use and I think people probably Diane at the agency may also use this persistent training  environment that was built so you never know when you'll be able to have an impact until you try  and so highly encourage everyone to consider serving in a uniform you can find more information  about the current requirements at goarmy.com forward slash cyber that's the website you can go  those there's a link there for the drip commissioning program and the current requirements should be  listed there for you to review there's also instructions on how to apply so benefits of  serving in a uniform so there are many benefits I think that for uniformed service the minimum  number of years to achieve some of these benefits is three years and I think 90 days so given a  tour you don't need to sign up for any longer than your first tour to achieve some of these but  if you're interested in say the post 9-11 GI bill for your own professional education master's degree  this can be transferred to your children or even to your spouse so that provides money for  a graduate level an undergraduate degree programs for them also access to a VA loan program home  loan program so we will to afford a home with a zero percent down zero down payment on the home  that's something that uniform members of all services have access to that might be attracted  to somebody who's interested in buying a home you should also know for salary army cyber  worker officers most of our assignments are at Fort Gordon Georgia and Fort Meade Maryland so if  you like Fort Meade and you like Fort Gordon so please consider cyber warfare might be the branch  for you we don't have many positions in places like say Fort Hood Texas that's not so place to send  people you don't have to be worried about going to Antarctica or Alaska or places that you  be in we're far from locations and we also now have Army cyber headquarters is moving for Gordon  I anticipate in the next year and also cyber command headquarters at Fort Meade Maryland  that's another place we have a lot of assignments there but that's part of the requirements and  there's developing locations where you can see future service so some other benefits are listed  at military one source dot mill as website so and a little lot of listing all of them I encourage  you go visit military one source dot mill or go army dot com for slash cyber to get that information  there and one other place you can get information if you have your pencil handy is to on your phone  text to the word cyberspace one word to 22828 and that will put you in contact with a recruiter at  the office of the Chief of Cyber and they'll get in contact with you about opportunities to serve  cool that was a that was a really great rundown everybody thank you so much  um with us running out of time unfortunately for this panel I just wanted to to go down the list  one more time see if you had any closing thoughts and words and any tangible advice that you like  to share with the audience well sure um obviously coming into uh to government service has its  challenges um there there is a challenge obviously between pay in the federal government and other  government and the private sector there's the challenge of navigating the hiring process which  can be very difficult in in government there's the challenge of getting the security clearance  if you haven't gotten one already um and if you if you're considering coming to work with us in  SZA you can help us to to push the envelope on all those challenges with the idea in mind  that this is about the mission and if you come in with a mission focus you're going to have some  great success the collateral to that in my mind is we are trying to take what was a headquarters  component element now an operational agency and make a huge cultural change and some of the things  that we're pushing are innovation speed partnerships and keeping it all within that mission focus  so if if you have the desire we're looking we're hiring we've got plenty of positions both in the  DC area and around the nation where we're looking for quality cyber talent and people who have a  mission focus so I'll leave it at that Joe and I'll give it over to the next in line  John Diane great thank you John and uh I just wanted to say you know consider this opportunity  for federal service if you're ever the remotest interest in working with people that are innovative  and passionate love what they do uh continual learners commitment to just partnering and  collaborating is a great environment um you know and also want to mention for it is a little more  male dominated as you know but there are professional communities like women in cybersecurity that  give you a sense of community um outside the workplace to really help you give you the skills  that you might need inside the workplace to navigate that so love to see you um and thank you so much  yeah I would just say definitely um I never really thought that I would necessarily end up being a  federal employee you never really know what's going to happen but you know we as technologists we  have a really incredible amount of power with the skills that we have and government is a really  great place to make a huge impact with that power so uh USDS we have a unique model where we  turn you do terms of service so um it doesn't have to be a lifelong commitment uh we can do as  short as like three to six months and up to four years so um if you want to do that and then go back  to private sector then we are very happy to to have you um and have your impact uh USDS.gov is our  website um and if you want to see also more information about some of the work we do at the  bottom of the page we have our impact report we just listed talking about some of the the big  projects that we've done in the last year including some of the things that that I've been lucky enough  to work on but yeah we really are trying to break down that bridge uh build bridges and  break down those walls between private and public sector and bring the best of private  sector technology into government and improve everything for the American people.  Thanks Chris we've all heard that advice you should bloom where you're planted and there've been many  many opportunities to do that here if you'd like to be a marine there is a path in cyber if you  want to wear a uniform if you find that you have other skills and perhaps you've held a career  elsewhere in life you can still affect marines who serve by shaping capture the flag uh exercises  and developing other tools that might help marines in uniform you might you can also assist with  our summer programs helping with the young marines and helping to the helping with those who provide  STEM education for young people in our country who are then shaped to serve themselves better  through a cyber career path as you move forward one thing that I'd like to leave you with is you  could follow us on LinkedIn and you can help to serve wherever you are in the nation today  without having to wear a uniform but with having your heart in the right place and that brings us to Liz.  Thanks Carmen so the somethings to keep in mind with uniform service that may not be as  comfortable is the physical training requirements so if you're not familiar with some of the  physical requirements for the different services um in particular my experience with the army you  can find that on goarmy.com so the physical fitness test you'll need to take that place to hear  and then you'll need to be able to pass those standards to pass your basic school so that's  really very important to to understand and also keep in mind that your technologist like as  Chris was describing you know a technologist focus but you're also a leader so an individual leader  soldiers um in the army and the air force I understand it's a community program as well so  great well thank you very much Liz and and everybody on the panel and and Kathleen and  also Travis and the other folks behind the scenes the only things that I'm going to leave you with  is a reminder about USAjobs.gov which is a huge database of a lot of opportunities for employment  across the US government and also because I didn't mention it earlier as a disclaimer  everybody's opinions expressed in this panel were their own and not necessarily those of any  government entity and with that I'm going to hand it back over to Kathleen thank you so much everybody  so great panel everyone thank you so much I know that you opened everyone's eyes to new  opportunities for their careers I want the audience to know that also within the career  coaches we do have at least 40 percent of the career coaches have had some kind of government  service or military service so they are open to be able to provide you their perspectives  and their tips on how to fulfill your career within national service we also do have resume  reviewers recruiters who are familiar with recruiting for federal agencies and for government  contractors thank you so much everyone and thank you to all of our panelists we'll see you for the  next session
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