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                     If one made it to store shelves, yes. That means it was at least good enough that a publisher decided to try and market it.
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                     If we were talking about games I've played though and what ones I'd consider worth buying in that way, Acting Lessons, Depraved Awakening, Coceter Chronicles, Babysitter, Parental Love, and I Love Daddy could each get 15 dollars out of me on store shelves.
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                        If we were talking about games I've played though and what ones I'd consider worth buying in that way, Acting Lessons, Depraved Awakening, Coceter Chronicles, Babysitter, Parental Love, and I Love Daddy could each get 15 dollars out of me on store shelves.
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                     I purchased some adult games back in the 90s, but I'm not really sure that I'll do it again nowadays. At this time, it was games made by professional studios, not indie games, and it make a real difference.
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                     I got your "seem to be exactly what you like in games", but there's many games around there that correspond to this description and are so badly wrote or coded, that they just don't worth to be bought. Of course, there's exceptions, but you need to play them to know that they are an exception. And even games made by more professional studios are now more deceiving than anything else.
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                     I insist on the "long enough", because here again it make a difference. Take a game like Dreams Of Desires by example. The game isn't bad, the story is good and addicting. But the two/three firsts release promised a game mechanism that never came. If it was a game sold as finished product, with a free preview corresponding to the two firsts release, I would have felt tricked.
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                     Might be that I'm not normal, but unless there's no audience for my game, I can't imagine charging more than 15 for Seraphim were we selling a completed game. Don't get me wrong, these games are a lot of work, but I don't need massive amounts of money. Sure, right now we've got a funding method that easily charges $120 dollars on average per patron (over the course of the development) but, the average game doesn't get more than a couple hundred patrons. So they really aren't making much regardless of that. When you have 100,000 paying customers, 10-15 dollars is a lot of fucking money.
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                        Might be that I'm not normal, but unless there's no audience for my game, I can't imagine charging more than 15 for Seraphim were we selling a completed game. Don't get me wrong, these games are a lot of work, but I don't need massive amounts of money. Sure, right now we've got a funding method that easily charges $120 dollars on average per patron (over the course of the development) but, the average game doesn't get more than a couple hundred patrons. So they really aren't making much regardless of that. When you have 100,000 paying customers, 10-15 dollars is a lot of fucking money.
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                     1. I’m playing your game now, enjoying it so far! Will say more in your thread.
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                     1) People don't go / don't like to go to a brick and mortar store. That's ok and I guess also depending on where you live. My reason for this scenario was that this is the only place which guarantees anonymity, which is non-existant for every online transaction involving either your credit card or bank account. Which is my main reason not to use Patreon.
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                     mentions the lack of a demo, which is valid. Also here on the site there are several games with great visuals but unappealing gameplay. And the other way around. This is outsite my initial scenario, but a demo of the game in question could exist somewhere.
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                     What?  Uh, sure.  Obviously I'm not going to a brick-and-mortar store to buy porn because it's not 1995, but online retail?  Absolutely I'd consider it.  The main issue for me is that it has to actually include my favorite fetish: explicit heterosexual blood-related incest, and it can't be from Japan.  Because, as you said, it's got to have the fetishes I want.
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                        explicit heterosexual blood-related incest, and it can't be from Japan.  Because, as you said, it's got to have the fetishes I want.
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                        Optimally I'd want real porn actresses having real Goddamned sex with creampies and everything, but still images are cool and I can handle cartoons depending on quality.
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                     I think these two statements are contradicting each other (unfortunately?), but thanks for your comprehensive reply!
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                     I do think it makes sense to pay more for games with gameplay that is actually interesting, but unfortunately those games are very few indeed. Personally, unless the gameplay is REALLY good, I'd pay exactly the same for a pure VN or for something that has some gameplay. Also my question was about "your" "perfect" game. Obviously you may pick up something that's obviously not perfect for less money.
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                     Personally, I voted  $20 - $40, but I guess that if I did come across *the* *perfect* game, I would pay more, up to $80 or whatever. Unfortunately it's unlikely that such a perfect game will ever exist, simply because "my" perfect game will probably not be "your" perfect game...
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                        So, yeah.  Let me know when you've got a porn game service that lets me buy explicit heteroseuxal incest porn games, and isn't that generic hentai bullshit, and I'm fully onboard.
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                     To be honest, I didn't think about this, but that might actually be good idea! Not that I'll open such a webstore, but the reality is that the Patreon business model that's prevalent doesn't really support completed games. Basically if a game is completed, the dev stops making money of that game, whereas it is usually the other way around, i.e. a dev starts making money after finishing something...
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                     Well.. depends on the game, this is of course an obvious reason after all. And personally speaking, the possible range of games that I might buy is really, really restricted to just a couple of them (watching the titles here of course) - mostly because of my fetishes and what I like the most. Since I enjoy some good pregnancy and/or futanari stuff, the latter I believe that will not happen. Not now or never since there's no single game that manages to reach the "completed" finish line and plus, I really doubt that a futanari game can be easily released to the public. I mean, people are perverted sure but not enough for this.
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                     For the other, honesly speaking? I would gladly spend something like 20€ or more for, example, Roundscape Adorevia if this ever gets released physically. Why not, even a collector's edition if anything since after all, the game is very well made and is greatly entertaining. And I would do the same even for a possible.. say, Strive For Power or similar.
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                     I know that the main topic was mainly for daz3d/ren'py stuff kind of games, but personally speaking I didn't see any single one that was interesting in here. Not one. Maybe just Fate Of Irnia if anything, but other than that? Too many games with the same concept, same models, same situations and so on. So far I didn't see any originality at all.
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                        I understand that, but the guy at the counter is probably as much a pervert than any of us. Or worse...
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                     I think  most games on here would fall under the $20 category and a couple would fall above it.
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                        Of course, I'm not saying that you shouldn't be honest with your wife, or your "promised one", or with you girlfriend. I'm just saying that not everyone will be able to accept this particular fetish. Maybe pregnancy, maybe creampie, maybe oral sex.. but futanari? It's something that nobody,
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                     you okay with your wife sleeping with a man (wow i am shocked for you)
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                     as for the futanari fetish i don't think it will be okay to tell her that
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                     i never ever will cheat on my wife but to tell her something like that (it's different)
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                        Of course, I'm not saying that you shouldn't be honest with your wife, or your "promised one", or with you girlfriend. I'm just saying that not everyone will be able to accept this particular fetish. Maybe pregnancy, maybe creampie, maybe oral sex.. but futanari? It's something that nobody,
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                        So yeah, I might say to her of my other fetish but this one in particular I'll never do that. Like bestiality for example, neither this I'll say to her (unless one day I see her getting fucked by a dog, or she asks to try it for the first time ever, I guess.. i could be happy about it but not so much after all. Getting NTRed by a man maybe I can deal with it, but getting NTRed by a dog absolutely not) because it's not a common thing, it's not something that a person should like. Only degenerates as myself can like this kind of stuff.
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                     But I, too, have a futa fetish. In fact, I have a fetish that's probably sicker than just having a bestiality fetish. I like seeing women behave in depraved ways. Exhibitionism, bestiality, pet play, tentacles, male domination, rope play, rape play, asphyxiation, bukkake, etc etc etc, are all fair play to my kink for seeing that depravity. Sharing that information with her doesn't mean I expect her to be into all of it. In fact, the only part of that kink that I do consider a requirement for a relationship is that she be my personal slut. She doesn't have to be into taking orders or exhibition or anything else, so long as once the heat of the moment is on, she lets the lust take over.
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                        But I, too, have a futa fetish. In fact, I have a fetish that's probably sicker than just having a bestiality fetish. I like seeing women behave in depraved ways. Exhibitionism, bestiality, pet play, tentacles, male domination, rope play, rape play, asphyxiation, bukkake, etc etc etc, are all fair play to my kink for seeing that depravity. Sharing that information with her doesn't mean I expect her to be into all of it. In fact, the only part of that kink that I do consider a requirement for a relationship is that she be my personal slut. She doesn't have to be into taking orders or exhibition or anything else, so long as once the heat of the moment is on, she lets the lust take over.
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                     you have to know that women are different
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                        you okay with your wife sleeping with a man (wow i am shocked for you)
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                        i don't want it for men so of course it's not okay if your wife cheating on you
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                        reconsider it please
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                     Read the whole thing again. I didn't say that I'll be ok with my wife cheating with another man (always if I ever get one, that is).
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                     I just said that if happens, fine. I'll deal with it (because that will mean that I wasn't enough, or maybe I wasn't that good in bed after all) and then I'll leave her, but again if I need to watch my wife being "taken away" from a fucking dog, that will hurt more than getting stolen from a human being.
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                        But I, too, have a futa fetish. In fact, I have a fetish that's probably sicker than just having a bestiality fetish. I like seeing women behave in depraved ways. Exhibitionism, bestiality, pet play, tentacles, male domination, rope play, rape play, asphyxiation, bukkake, etc etc etc, are all fair play to my kink for seeing that depravity. Sharing that information with her doesn't mean I expect her to be into all of it. In fact, the only part of that kink that I do consider a requirement for a relationship is that she be my personal slut. She doesn't have to be into taking orders or exhibition or anything else, so long as once the heat of the moment is on, she lets the lust take over.
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                     Then you need to understand that women who likes (or at least accept, because like you said she doesn't need to love it but at least accept it and this is another matter in which, again, only.. what 1 girl out of 1000/10000 can be that special in the end)
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                        you have to know that women are different
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                     To me, when it comes to sex, there's nothing that should be secret between two people in a serious relationship. Think it through, if you think it's such a big deal that it could ruin your relationship, would it be better for her to find out from your mouth, or for her to find you jacking it to a dog fucking a futa while she sucks a horse's cock?
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                        Then you need to understand that women who likes (or at least accept, because like you said she doesn't need to love it but at least accept it and this is another matter in which, again, only.. what 1 girl out of 1000/10000 can be that special in the end)
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                     You know women like sex too, right? In fact, pick up a single "romance novel" at your local grocery store, I almost guarantee you the female lead will "give" herself over to a dominant male character. There's a reason that 50 shades did so well despite being the most vanilla bdsm content ever written. As for the difficulty, kinda depends on what you want to do. For me, fucking in the changing stalls at the beach is enough to sate exhibitionism, and a sub or switch would be all that's necessary to sate that and everything but the bestiality and bukkake (though if I really wanted to, a sub would be all I needed to have that happen too)
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                        To me, when it comes to sex, there's nothing that should be secret between two people in a serious relationship. Think it through, if you think it's such a big deal that it could ruin your relationship, would it be better for her to find out from your mouth, or for her to find you jacking it to a dog fucking a futa while she sucks a horse's cock?
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                     What's that supposed to mean? Obviously women like sex (at least a good percentage of it does, can't say for who doesn't) so it's not really a valid point here, that you quoted. Also, that is in fact what you just said: a "romance novel" and not real life. Even myself could read 50 shades of shit but in the end, not being masochist or sadist or whatever that is written inside that book. And not every women that read that, again, suddenly becomes masochist, etc.. or wants immediately to try what is like to be just like the female char there. Let's not pretend that every women who reads, watch or hear things, immediately they wants to do/try that, ending liking it.
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                        Also, that is in fact what you just said: a "romance novel" and not real life.
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                     So you think their romantic fantasy mateiral is in some way different from your taste in porn?
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                        And not every women that read that, again, suddenly becomes masochist, etc.. or wants immediately to try what is like to be just like the female char there. Let's not pretend that every women who reads, watch or hear things, immediately they wants to do/try that, ending liking it.
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                     Nor do you or I read a hentai manga and suddenly want to recreate everything in that. When it comes to hentai, I appreciate loli. I don't find real little girls attractive, and the more the artist tries to make the anime little girls look like real little girls the less I like it. In hentai I appreciate Femdom, but that doesn't work for me IRL, I'm not really a switch, I like domination, and I can be equal, but I'm not the submissive type, however, I think I could probably be with a Dom who was comfortable with us swinging with subs. Again, just because I read something doesn't mean I'm going to like it, but as a human being, I have the ability to understand why someone else might, and can accept that.
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                        Fucking in the stalls at the beach, or the one inside a clothing shop or anything, is something that at least everyone,
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                     Yes, but just because you're into it in porn doesn't mean you have to have it in real life. Plain and simple.
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                        A female can be as much perverted as you want, but like I said previously, only one girl out of millions out there can be that.
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                     Speculative bullshit, putting women on a pedestal. They are naturally MORE depraved than we are. There have been studies done. A woman whether she's into bestiality or not, will get aroused watching bonobos fucking. Now, yes, not every woman is going to understand every fetish. But you might not understand all of hers. Maybe she has a fantasy of getting gangraped by people close to you, say, your boss, best friend, and father? Would that be something you immediately understand or something you'd have to process through and come to accept that it's just a fantasy?
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                        Maybe going out with a Trans/Shemale (since futanari doesn't exist in real life obviously, so let's change subject for a moment here) can be.. considered a "common thing" (not for me, thanks. So even if I watch videos of them or anything, doesn't mean that I suddenly want to go and take a dick right in my ass because a female just took it in the video, and suddenly I want to experience what is like) but still, again, bestiality isn't. And will never be, period.
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                     And that addresses my main point through most of this post Futa is a complete fantasy, yet you worry that someone will no longer be able to love you if they find out you're attracted to the unicorn of sex. You're worried that your fantasies of seeing women with dogs or horses or whatever are gonna make a person who loves you suddenly hate you. And that leads to this last point...
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                        I mean, let's just stop it here. In the end, we are two different people: while you're more.. prone in risking your own relationship by saying everything,
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                     Then that relationship is already doomed. A person who would leave you because of that would leave you because of less. What you find erotic and get off to in porn doesn't have to be what your partner does in the bedroom, and they know that, as apparently, do you, since you mentioned that just reading 50 shades doesn't mean she's all of the sudden gonna be a sub, though it is a fact that the novels did really open up the idea to many a woman. What I don't understand is why you would risk everything, your relationship, your financial security, your potential children, to keep a secret like that from a woman who proclaims to love you. If they can't love you if they know you fap to dogs fucking futa chicks as they ram their cocks up a horse's vagina making them pregnant so that they give birth to a futa centaur, then they probably don't really love you.
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                     This means that for a dev, the Patreon model is in fact more profitable. With Patreon, you'd pay on average maybe $5 / month for a period of, on average, maybe 18 months. That's $90, and there are no guarantees that the game will ever be finished.
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                     Obvious, at least for me. But then "more" profit isn't the right description about it.
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                     First it is more on supporting the dev, than buying his product. For this you can wait till the game is finished / near finished and the pay the lowest tier to unlocked the game. Would cost probably 20$ (4x5$), so it is the same as for the "one time buy".
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                     Other than that: Normaly a fresh released game cost - a least in my country - about 50$ or more (Triple A titles) in a retail/online store. From this 50$ the company that develop the game will see less. How much I don't know. I believe on Steam that are 30% from the number, so you "only" earn 35$.
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                     But of course then such a title will, probably, be sold a few millions. So you would received 350 millions if you sell it 10 millions time. Again the development budget of such title will also be in the milliions.
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                     Even if you have a small game title and your production budget was a lot less, then I assume you would also sold not as much copies as the big triple A title with a commercial budget that most likely cost more than the indie game you have made.
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                     All of this game have the problem that you need money to develop and you must earn at least this money back when you release your game.
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                     If you are a one men/woman show in my country, worked 1 year on a game, then I say, you must at least bring back ~50k and then you are on square one.
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                     I believe most devs want to develope. Even if you are the most gifted dev around the whole earth, one people has its limit and the day have only 24h. So, if your next idea is bigger than you can work on it yourself you must hire other people. For this you need money and, more than that, credibility.
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                     I wouldn't take a job from a new dev without any history and a tight cash reserve - as a regular job.
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                     Therefore the monthly payment variant. It enables a lot of the dev to invest some more time (or resource) in they game that they could not do otherwise. As a double edge sword, as it is, the patreons are on the development aspect the same as share holders. The will take some of your freedom away frrom the development process.
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                     And the porn game in the open game library. When a "real" porn game - not the soft one, who already are there - would be available on shops like PSN and so, I would by it if it's fit my taste. But would prefer a boxed version and if it really fits my taste a want a collector edition like the old ones (Lunar, Arc the Lad) - not so scam ones that have 1-2 digital goodies and nothing more...
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                     As for me, if this kind of game would be appear on the usual video game consoles, then it would mean that we can finally pay and play this kind of games and show the respect as open as all others.
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                     For the record: 20-40$, but depends. If it is my *perfect* game that is on the website or the shelf in the shop, without any previous knowledge about it, only the information of the case available, then 20-40$. Because I would have my doubt if it's a real deal or only some rip-off.
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                     Maybe profitable was not the correct word, maybe sustainable would have been better.
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                     What Patreon does is create some kind of "stable" monthly income for a dev, where depending on sales of a completed game requires a substantial investment, namely the development time, when the dev earns nothing at all.
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                     For me it's more like the first adult sex game in a "normal" catalog would always leads me to this thought. A demo can help, but a lot of demos are to short to help me with my decision.
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                     It is the same with every other game, with or without demo. If you take a game from the shelf, look at it's cover, you will always see the "best" possible side of the game. Sometime this is enough, most times it is a pig in a poke.
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                     Why are do so much game serie exist? As a promise if you have like the last one, then you will like this and it works, but not always.
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                     So I think, when it's normal to buy a adult sex game from the shelf in the middle of other adult sex games and others, then my curiosity would be on the same level as why all the "normal" games. Will I like it? How long is it?......
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                     And for sure, they will do the same good, bad and stupid things than then the rest of the "normal" games have done before
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                     I would maybe, but I would certainly not pay as much as for a regular game (unless it offered gameplay remotely similar to a regular game, but I consider this too unlikely). 30€ would be my personal maximum, although it would have to meet these requirements:
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                     I am buying porn games on Steam. Those are usually indie games and it is impossible to buy a physical copy of such games.
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                        Imagine you are in an adult store. You see a DVD with a completed Daz3d / Ren'py game. The screenshots as well as the description of the story, gameplay and included fetishes seem to be exactly what you like in games. The game seems to be fairly new and you don't remember seeing it here.
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                     It heavily depends, if it is something i know i will like and i want to support the dev like a finished version of teaching feeling or a Yandere themed romance game like Crimson gray
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                     then i would be willing to pay a lot of money for it $80+ in support of the content i enjoy. if it is something that looks good and is advertised really well for my tastes like a "30+ ending high choice yandere dating sim" then i would pay like 30-40 even if i didn't know the game personally. if the game's quality looks questionable at best like 95% of the games on this site then i would pirate it see if i like it then decide to buy the game or not later. but i am mostly talking from a "buy it on steam legally" perspective i hate consoles the last time i used one was to play persona 5 because it is console only, and i don't go into a store to buy any game much less a hentai game. but when hentai games are finished and put on steam for full price i am more likely to spend money on them because steam is easy and i like achievements.
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                        No, I'd never go buy porn in a store.
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                     But i just don't give a fuck i own up to that shit like a chad, my friend asks me "you playing monster girl island isn't that a hentai game ?" i say "Yeah my dick is getting bit by a hot shark girl right now what about it ?"
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                        But i just don't give a fuck i own up to that shit like a chad, my friend asks me "you playing monster girl island isn't that a hentai game ?" i say "Yeah my dick is getting bit by a hot shark girl right now what about it ?"
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                        So you think their romantic fantasy mateiral is in some way different from your taste in porn?
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                        Nor do you or I read a hentai manga and suddenly want to recreate everything in that. When it comes to hentai, I appreciate loli. I don't find real little girls attractive, and the more the artist tries to make the anime little girls look like real little girls the less I like it. In hentai I appreciate Femdom, but that doesn't work for me IRL, I'm not really a switch, I like domination, and I can be equal, but I'm not the submissive type, however, I think I could probably be with a Dom who was comfortable with us swinging with subs. Again, just because I read something doesn't mean I'm going to like it, but as a human being, I have the ability to understand why someone else might, and can accept that.
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                        Speculative bullshit, putting women on a pedestal. They are naturally MORE depraved than we are. There have been studies done. A woman whether she's into bestiality or not, will get aroused watching bonobos fucking. Now, yes, not every woman is going to understand every fetish. But you might not understand all of hers. Maybe she has a fantasy of getting gangraped by people close to you, say, your boss, best friend, and father? Would that be something you immediately understand or something you'd have to process through and come to accept that it's just a fantasy?
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                        And that addresses my main point through most of this post Futa is a complete fantasy, yet you worry that someone will no longer be able to love you if they find out you're attracted to the unicorn of sex. You're worried that your fantasies of seeing women with dogs or horses or whatever are gonna make a person who loves you suddenly hate you. And that leads to this last point...
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                        Then that relationship is already doomed. A person who would leave you because of that would leave you because of less. What you find erotic and get off to in porn doesn't have to be what your partner does in the bedroom, and they know that, as apparently, do you, since you mentioned that just reading 50 shades doesn't mean she's all of the sudden gonna be a sub, though it is a fact that the novels did really open up the idea to many a woman. What I don't understand is why you would risk everything, your relationship, your financial security, your potential children, to keep a secret like that from a woman who proclaims to love you. If they can't love you if they know you fap to dogs fucking futa chicks as they ram their cocks up a horse's vagina making them pregnant so that they give birth to a futa centaur, then they probably don't really love you.
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                     When it comes to porn people look at various porn fetishes for different reasons.
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                     The feelings or thoughts generated for each person is different. Sure there are groups of people that will have similar experience.
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                     There are people who will play a game because they like the feeling of disgust they get from it. It is part of a superiority complex were they look down on others that play the game or created it.
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                     That said most people do tend to watch what they enjoy or fantasize about. That again doesn't mean they have an interest in doing it in RL.
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                     However, their interest in doing something in real life can be affect by influences like law, appearance, community, religion...
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                     Again we are back to the aspect we can't read people's minds. At least not yet.
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                     It doesn't really lead to any great truths poling people. Even a blind pole people lie to. Some do so because they really wonder if it can be tracked back to them. Others well they just want to screw with the pole. There are as many reason people lie on poles as there are reasons they do stuff.
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