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                     Hello,
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                     at the moment I have some ideas for 2 or 3 games, but absolutly no experience in making a game myself. So at some point I have to learn it obviously. Till than I'd like to share my idea for the game I'd like to make first.
                     <br/>
                     Sadly I can't promise anything, because I don't have too much time...
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                     To myself, I like to read stories and books about BDSM. One of my favourite comics is Sunstone, which has one of the best BDSM lovestories. I have a bit of experience in BDSM myself, but not as much as I'd like. I really like Visual Novels that are made in Ren'py with Daz-models.
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                     It will be a game that focus mainly on the Dom/Sub-relationship of two characters.
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                     That means it has two playable characters, the male protagonist and the female protagonist.
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                     The fact that the main focus is on the relationship of both means obviously that decisions work like conversations. When you make a decision with the MP that concerns the FP, then you can react with the FP. That way the playern can craft his/her own story and relationship between the both protagonists.
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                     Why do I want to make a system like that?
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                     Well I want the player to have full controll over the emotions of the protagonists. I am not the biggest fan of any stats or grind in games, so I want the game to be mostly choice based.
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                       But now I give you a short summery of the story:
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                     The game will start in a BDSM Club/Bar.
                     <br/>
                     The MP is a quite experienced Dom, who had a D/S relationship for a long time. At some point the relationship failed. Now he is single and mostly acts out his lifestyle in this club with different women.
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                     He is a good friend of the club owner of the club and a member himself.
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                     The FP goes to the club for the first time. She goes there together with two of her girlfriends. Her girlfriends already went there in the past. The FP was never in a BDSM-relationship before, but dreamed about it and did some playing with herself. So she isn't vanilla, but also not quite experienced and she only had vanilla-realionships.
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                     <br/>
                     So both protagonists will meet in this club for the first time and get to know each other.
                     <br/>
                     After some time this will end in a relationship between those two. Obviously they know that they are both interessted in BDSM.
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                     The FP wants to go further and experience new stuff, but she doesn't know really know what she likes and where her limits are.
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                     The MP on the other hand was in a relationship that ended bad, because of BDSM, so he is afraid that it goes too far again. (although he actually like the extremes) So he tryes to guide the FP in a speed that is comfortable for both of them.
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                     How the relationship progresses and how far it goes will be totally up to the player.
                     <br/>
                     You want it to focus only on pet-play? No problem! You only want light BDSM? Also no problem! You want to go as extrem as possible? Also no problem! (At the moment I am not sure, if I want to put in non-consentual stuff like rape)
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                       Male Protagonist: I am not too sure about his job yet, but I don't want him to have money problems. He is quite tall, about 1,90 to 1,95 meters. He has brown hair and brown eyes. Not too sure about long or short hair yet, but he should have a beard. He is in his late 20s.
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                       Female Protagonist: Her job should be something creative like an author or an artist. I am not too sure about her appearence. Maybe she is cute and petite or like a model tall with long legs. Both can fit in their own ways. At the beginning she is relatively innocent. I definitly want her to have red hair and green or blue eyes.
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                        Through out the game I want them to change their appearence so you have the feeling development in time and in the story. So the MP can have a haircut and of course change his clothing style. The FP as she gets more and more into being a Sub, can change her appearence drasticly, like getting piercings all over her body, maybe tatoos, coloring her hair, new hair styles, wearing a collar,etc.
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                       For side characters, there will be some. Not too sure about who  and what they are, but here some examples: Club owner (friend of MP), Dominatrix (friend and sexual partner in the past), male or female sub for the Dominatrix, two female friends of the FP, older brother of the MP, two sisters of the MP (they are triplets), younger brother of FP, older sister of FP, etc.
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                     </ul>
                     And now the stuff that interessts you the most... the pervy stuff!
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                     I list the fetishes/tags/genres that might be in it (although it is way too much) and after this I describe a sexual scenes as some example. For Fetishes I can think of nearly everything, the only limits are at some of the more extreme stuff.
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                           BDSM (in general)
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                           24/7 relationship
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                           checklist
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                           femdom
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                           Bondage (+suspension bondage, waterbondage, bondage art, hair bondage, etc.)
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                           Humilation and anti-humilation
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                           anal (sex, torture, training, anilingus, etc.)
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                           age play
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                           animal play (pet play, pony girl, animal transformation fantasy)
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                           auction (maybe for a scene in the club)
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                           body worship
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                           bastinado and caning
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                           aftercare
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                           body modification
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                           brat
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                           breast bondage
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                           breath control, breath play
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                           breeding (-fantasy)
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                           whipping
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                           chastity
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                           contract
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                           costume/role play
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                           cuckquean
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                           Dacryphilia
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                           reward and punishment
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                           dungeon
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                           electric play
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                           erotic sexual denial
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                           exhibitionism
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                           face fucking
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                           fear play
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                           fire and ice
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                           forced orgasm
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                           hard limit
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                           (harem) (not sure, but there are some ideas)
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                           lactation
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           mindfuck
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                           nipple torture
                          </li>
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                           nose hook
                          </li>
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                           objectification
                          </li>
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                           orgasm control or denial
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           safeword
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                           pinwheel
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                           polyamory
                          </li>
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                           power exchange
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           SSC
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                           scent play
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           service
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           torture (play)
                          </li>
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                           training
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           wax play
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           wooden horse
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           sharing
                          </li>
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                           nettle-play
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           sissification
                          </li>
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                           etc.
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                         </ul>
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                          Extremer fetishes:​
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                           abduction/kidnapping - in combination with rape-play
                          </li>
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                           bladder/bowel control
                          </li>
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                           urination
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           edge play
                          </li>
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                           golden shower
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           knife play
                          </li>
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                           needle play
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           toilet play
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           etc.
                          </li>
                         </ul>
                        </div>
                       </div>
                      </div>
                     </div>
                     <br/>
                     That was a really long list and of course just examples of what might be intersting in such a relationship. As you can see I didn't put incest there, not that I don't like it, but I thought it isn't needed, but maybe there will be an option to share the FP with the MPs sisters.
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                     I also thought about a feature that shows a list of what the FP likes and what are her hardlimits, softlimits, etc. That list is always accessible for the player. That way you can decide if you want to go further in some directions or not.
                     <br/>
                     <br/>
                     <br/>
                     So lets imagine that the relationship of both protagonists has grown quite much and they are already in a D/S realtionship, but they are still early in discovering what they both like.
                     <br/>
                     The FP got the order to clean the house in a maid uniform and to be always accessible for the MP. While cleaning something she is bend over and you can see her pussy, of course she was a good girl and didn't put on any panties.
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                     Now the MP has quite some possibilities, of course he can just fuck her without even asking her, because she had to be accessible for him. You can order her in some possitions or you could punish her because she doesn't work to your liking.
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                     There will nearly always be an option that will push the limit of what the FP likes at the moment. So for example you pour a glass of water on the floor and order her to clean the floor by licking it up. Then she can decide to do it without hesitation, begging to not do it, refusing to do it with consequences or saying her "slowword" or safeword.
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                     Thanks for reading my ideas, I hope you liked it
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                     If you have something to add, something positive or negative to say about it, I am happy to hear it
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                         Switching the MP to a sub and the FP to a dominatrix. My idea for this game was of course more centered aroung a male dom and a female sub, but the only reason for this is the fact that I like to be more dominant then submissiv.
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                         That way the player can play the path he/she likes the most. The problem with this is of course that there need to be as the same amount of scenes for both routes.
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                         It could also work that the female is inexperienced as a domme and the male is experienced as a sub, respectively the male dom can be inexperienced and the female sub experienced. Nobody is born as the perfect dom or sub, so this could be the opportunity to show the development of inexperienced and insecure to confidence.
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                         I think I found the first character that will be a customer in the BDSM Club. So it is a side character, that just fills the world with life.
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                         She might be a bit of a stereotype, but it is one that I really like. So yeah she will be the boss of a company, so a woman with power, but secretly she is really submissiv. So the typical stereotype, powerfull person, that actually is submissiv.
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                         As I am not 100 persant sure how I want the female protagonist to look like, I will make several different characters and decide after this, who I will choose. I also think of doing a poll to see what is liked best from other people here. Like which hair color is prefered, which body type, etc. That doesn't mean that I choose my character based on the poll though.
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                         The first choice is the following redhead girl. I mean I will definitly have a redhead girl in the game, it is a must for me
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                         As the focus of this game is a lot on the trust of two characters, the bond they share and how one gets bound by the other, my personal favorite option for the title was: "Bonds of Trust".
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                         So here we have another character. She will be a tattoo-artist and the shopowner of the tattoo and piercing shop. She also is an alternativ model. She is a member of the BDSM club, a very good friend of the male protagonist, dominant and has a husband, who also is a very good friend of the MP. They know each other for quite a long time.
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                         "It doesn't matter how strong you are physically or emonationally, the past can always haunt you!"
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                         At some point there will be at least one flashback to the time when the MC and Eva (for now that will be her place holder name) were in a Special Force.
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                         So this is a test for now. For the flashbacks she will loose all her Piercings and maybe some of her Tattoos. As this will be winter scene, she will of course get a jacket and a something for her head
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                         "Seems like you aren't just obedient to your master, little subby. You are dancing in the ropes like a puppet!"
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                         I am really liking this character more and more and I am thinking of giving her either a bigger role or later at some point a little side story. I like her design and I think she could actually have a cute love story with elements of BDSM and role plays.
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                         Well she was a bad girl. She bit her Daddy's hand. But now she is afraid that he could use one of the tools behind her. She isn't a strong masochist, so she is nervous and she can't say sorry because of the mouthspreader. On top of that the Sybian does it's own thing and she is already strongly arroused. She wants to take the punishment her Daddy has for her and she know he would never go too far, but still she is very nervous.
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                        Hello,
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                        at the moment I have some ideas for 2 or 3 games, but absolutly no experience in making a game myself. So at some point I have to learn it obviously. Till than I'd like to share my idea for the game I'd like to make first.
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                        Sadly I can't promise anything, because I don't have too much time...
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                        To myself, I like to read stories and books about BDSM. One of my favourite comics is Sunstone, which has one of the best BDSM lovestories. I have a bit of experience in BDSM myself, but not as much as I'd like. I really like Visual Novels that are made in Ren'py with Daz-models.
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                        It is be a game that focus mainly on the Dom/Sub-relationship of two characters.
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                        That means it has two playable characters, the male protagonist and the female protagonist.
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                        The fact that the main focus is on the relationship of both means obviously that decisions work like conversations. When you make a decision with the MP that concerns the FP, then you can react with the FP. That way the playern can craft his/her own story and relationship between the both protagonists.
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                        Why do I want to make a system like that?
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                        Well I want the player to have full controll over the emotions of the protagonists. I am not the biggest fan of any stats or grind in games, so I want the game to be mostly choice based.
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                        <u>
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                          But now I give you a short summery of the story:
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                        The game will start in a BDSM Club/Bar.
                        <br/>
                        The MP is a quite experienced Dom, who had a D/S relationship for a long time. At some point the relationship failed. Now he is single and mostly acts out his lifestyle in this club with different women.
                        <br/>
                        He is a good friend of the club owner of the club and a member himself.
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                        The FP goes to the club for the first time. She goes there together with two of her girlfriends. Her girlfriends already went there in the past. The FP was never in a BDSM-relationship before, but dreamed about it and did some playing with herself. So she isn't vanilla, but also not quite experienced and she only had vanilla-realionships.
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                        <br/>
                        So both protagonists will meet in this club for the first time and get to know each other.
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                        After some time this will end in a relationship between those two. Obviously they know that they are both interessted in BDSM.
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                        The FP wants to go further and experience new stuff, but she doesn't know really know what she likes and where her limits are.
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                        The MP on the other hand was in a relationship that ended bad, because of BDSM, so he is afraid that it goes too far again. (although he actually like the extremes) So he tryes to guide the FP in a speed that is comfortable for both of them.
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                        How the relationship progresses and how far it goes will be totally up to the player.
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                        You want it to focus only on pet-play? No problem! You only want light BDSM? Also no problem! You want to go as extrem as possible? Also no problem! (At the moment I am not sure, if I want to put in non-consentual stuff like rape)
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                          Male Protagonist: I am not too sure about his job yet, but I don't want him to have money problems. He is quite tall, about 1,90 to 1,95 meters. He has brown hair and brown eyes. Not too sure about long or short hair yet, but he should have a beard. He is in his late 20s.
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                          Female Protagonist: Her job should be something creative like an author or an artist. I am not too sure about her appearence. Maybe she is cute and petite or like a model tall with long legs. Both can fit in their own ways. At the beginning she is relatively innocent. I definitly want her to have red hair and green or blue eyes.
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                           Through out the game I want them to change their appearence so you have the feeling development in time and in the story. So the MP can have a haircut and of course change his clothing style. The FP as she gets more and more into being a Sub, can change her appearence drasticly, like getting piercings all over her body, maybe tatoos, coloring her hair, new hair styles, wearing a collar,etc.
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                          For side characters, there will be some. Not too sure about who  and what they are, but here some examples: Club owner (friend of MP), Dominatrix (friend and sexual partner in the past), male or female sub for the Dominatrix, two female friends of the FP, older brother of the MP, two sisters of the MP (they are triplets), younger brother of FP, older sister of FP, etc.
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                        And now the stuff that interessts you the most... the pervy stuff!
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                        I list the fetishes/tags/genres that might be in it (although it is way too much) and after this I describe a sexual scenes as some example. For Fetishes I can think of nearly everything, the only limits are at some of the more extreme stuff.
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                           BDSM (in general)
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           24/7 relationship
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           checklist
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                           Bondage (+suspension bondage, waterbondage, bondage art, hair bondage, etc.)
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                           Humilation and anti-humilation
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                           anal (sex, torture, training, anilingus, etc.)
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           age play
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                           animal play (pet play, pony girl, animal transformation fantasy)
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                           auction (maybe for a scene in the club)
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           body worship
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           bastinado and caning
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           aftercare
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           body modification
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           brat
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           breast bondage
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           breath control, breath play
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           breeding (-fantasy)
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           whipping
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           chastity
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                           contract
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                           costume/role play
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                           cuckquean
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                           Dacryphilia
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                           reward and punishment
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                           dungeon
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                           electric play
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                           erotic sexual denial
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           exhibitionism
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                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           face fucking
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                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           fear play
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                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           fire and ice
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                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           forced orgasm
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                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           hard limit
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           (harem) (not sure, but there are some ideas)
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           lactation
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           mindfuck
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           nipple torture
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           nose hook
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                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           objectification
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                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           orgasm control or denial
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           safeword
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           pinwheel
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                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           polyamory
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                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           power exchange
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           SSC
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           scent play
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           service
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           torture (play)
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           training
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           wax play
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           wooden horse
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           sharing
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           etc.
                          </li>
                         </ul>
                         <div style="margin-left: 20px">
                          Extremer fetishes:
                          <br/>
                          <ul>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            abduction/kidnapping - in combination with rape-play
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            bladder/bowel control
                            <br/>
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            (bestiality) (really not sure about this)
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            urination
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            scat/brown shower (active and passive)
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            edge play
                            <br/>
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            golden shower
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                        That was a really long list and of course just examples of what might be intersting in such a relationship. As you can see I didn't put incest there, not that I don't like it, but I thought it isn't needed, but maybe there will be an option to share the FP with the MPs sisters.
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                        I also thought about a feature that shows a list of what the FP likes and what are her hardlimits, softlimits, etc. That list is always accessible for the player. That way you can decide if you want to go further in some directions or not.
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                        So lets imagine that the relationship of both protagonists has grown quite much and they are already in a D/S realtionship, but they are still early in discovering what they both like.
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                        The FP got the order to clean the house in a maid uniform and to be always accessible for the MP. While cleaning something she is bend over and you can see her pussy, of course she was a good girl and didn't put on any panties.
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                        Now the MP has quite some possibilities, of course he can just fuck her without even asking her, because she had to be accessible for him. You can order her in some possitions or you could punish her because she doesn't work to your liking.
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                        There will nearly always be an option that will push the limit of what the FP likes at the moment. So for example you pour a glass of water on the floor and order her to clean the floor by licking it up. Then she can decide to do it without hesitation, begging to not do it, refusing to do it with consequences or saying her "slowword" or safeword.
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                        Thanks for reading my ideas, I hope you liked it
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                     Hmm, that's actually a very interesting idea, and if executed properly, it could be one of the best out there in the particular genre, so for those people that are into that, I hope that VN would get made
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                     Unfortunately for me (yes, I'd be the unfortunate one because I'd be the one missing out), it's not my scene
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                        Hmm, that's actually a very interesting idea, and if executed properly, it could be one of the best out there in the particular genre, so for those people that are into that, I hope that VN would get made
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                     A BDSM love story: nice. A redhead FP: great. The plot is good. As George Clooney says:
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                     I would reverse the parts &amp; add some changes (if it's shit for you, tell me, I would not be offended
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                     She is a good friend of the club owner of the club and a member herself.
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                     The Male Protagonist goes to the club for the first time. He goes there together with a couple who are his friends. The couple already went there in the past. The Male Protagonist was never in a BDSM-relationship before, but dreamed about it and did some playing with himself. So he isn't vanilla, but also not quite experienced and he only had vanilla-relationships.
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                     The FP with the MPs or FPs sisters could also punish the MP ?
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                     Are you against trampling, guro &amp; object insertion (heels in urethra, bottle in ass), sissification ?
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                     I just modified this passage as an example of sissification:
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                     So lets imagine that the relationship of both protagonists has grown quite much and they are already in a D/S relationship, but they are still early in discovering what they both like.
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                     and to be always accessible for the FP. While cleaning something he is bend over and you can see her genitals, of course he was a good boy and didn't put on any boxers, briefs.
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                     Now the FP has quite some possibilities, of course she can just fuck him without even asking him, because he had to be accessible for her. You can order him in some positions or you could punish him because he doesn't work to your liking.
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                     There will nearly always be an option that will push the limit of what the MP likes at the moment. So for example you pour a glass of water on the floor and order him to clean the floor by licking it up. Then he can decide to do it without hesitation, begging to not do it, refusing to do it with consequences or saying his "slowword" or safeword.
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                        A BDSM love story: nice. A redhead FP: great. The plot is good. As George Clooney says:
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                        I would reverse the parts &amp; add some changes (if it's shit for you, tell me, I would not be offended
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                     I don't mind any suggestions or ideas
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                     I mean what you are practically offering is switching the MP to a sub and the FP to a dominatrix. My idea for this game was of course more centered aroung a male dom and a female sub, but the only reason for this is the fact that I like to be more dominant then submissiv.
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                     As you would play both characters in the game, it would be perfect to let the player choose out of 2 backstory paths.
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                     That way the player can play the path he/she likes the most. The problem with this is of course that there need to be as the same amount of scenes for both routes.
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                       What I also like as a theme is that both characters are switchs. That way it would be possible for both to the dominant or submissiv part and it can change during their dayly life a lot.
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                        The game will start in a BDSM Club/Bar.
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                     Now that I think about it, it could also work that the female is inexperienced as a domme and the male is experienced as a sub, respectively the male dom can be inexperienced and the female sub experienced. Nobody is born as the perfect dom or sub, so this could be the opportunity to show the development of inexperienced and insecure to confidence.
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                        She is a good friend of the club owner of the club and a member herself.
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                        The couple already went there in the past. The Male Protagonist was never in a BDSM-relationship before, but dreamed about it and did some playing with himself. So he isn't vanilla, but also not quite experienced and he only had vanilla-relationships. So both protagonists will meet in this club for the first time and get to know each other.
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                     I like the intigration of a couple that is into BDSM. That always give good opportunites in the future. Especially as it reminds me of the Comic Sunstone
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                        The FP with the MPs or FPs sisters could also punish the MP ?
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                        Are you against trampling, guro &amp; object insertion (heels in urethra, bottle in ass), sissification ?
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                     Well let's say I don't want another incest game. I really like incest in games, but there are a lot of them out there. I mean, with your example I could think about sexual punishment, but no sex per se between siblings. But it would be more likely to be a sibling of the dominant part that helps punishing the sub.
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                     I am not against trampling, object insertions and sissification. Guro would pretty much depend on how extreme, but it is definitly close to a taboo for me. For example branding is something that I can see why people like it in a BDSM relationship, but I would prefer the more gentle approach of a tattoo
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                        I just modified this passage as an example of sissification:
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                        So lets imagine that the relationship of both protagonists has grown quite much and they are already in a D/S relationship, but they are still early in discovering what they both like.
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                        and to be always accessible for the FP. While cleaning something he is bend over and you can see her genitals, of course he was a good boy and didn't put on any boxers, briefs.
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                        Now the FP has quite some possibilities, of course she can just fuck him without even asking him, because he had to be accessible for her. You can order him in some positions or you could punish him because he doesn't work to your liking.
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                        There will nearly always be an option that will push the limit of what the MP likes at the moment. So for example you pour a glass of water on the floor and order him to clean the floor by licking it up. Then he can decide to do it without hesitation, begging to not do it, refusing to do it with consequences or saying his "slowword" or safeword.
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                     I can definitly say, that I like thinking about this situation for both routes. And sissification is definitly something I like in a femdom/malesub relationship.
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                        As you would play both characters in the game,
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                         That way the player can play the path he/she likes the most
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                          What I also like as a theme is that both characters are switchs.
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                     Really nice to offer all these possibilities.
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                        What I can say is the most important thing in a BDAM-relationship based game is SSC (Safe, Sane, Consensual), so I won't integrate something that damages someones body permanently in a "bad" way!
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                     i agree with you.
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                        For example
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                     Branding?! I learned a new fetish thanks to you.
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                        at the moment I have some ideas for 2 or 3 games, but absolutly no experience in making a game myself. So at some point I have to learn it obviously. Till than I'd like to share my idea for the game I'd like to make first.
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                     Your project is promising, I hope it will see the light of day. Take your time, more haste less speed. Thank you for your reply &amp; good luck with your creation.
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                        Really nice to offer all these possibilities.
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                     Well that would be the perfect game.
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                        Branding?! I learned a new fetish thanks to you.
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                     No Problem, although it is a more unusual fetish. Well there are so many fetishes out there, you could learn each day a new one and there would still be a lot left
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                        Your project is promising, I hope it will see the light of day. Take your time, more haste less speed. Thank you for your reply &amp; good luck with your creation.
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                     Sadly I can't promise anything, because I have really little time for it. The process of thinking about a story and game mechanics is nothing compared to learning to make the game and actually making it. :coldsweat:
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                        at the moment I have some ideas for 2 or 3 games, but absolutly no experience in making a game myself. So at some point I have to learn it obviously. Till than I'd like to share my idea for the game I'd like to make first.
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                        Sadly I can't promise anything, because I don't have too much time...
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                        To myself, I like to read stories and books about BDSM. One of my favourite comics is Sunstone, which has one of the best BDSM lovestories. I have a bit of experience in BDSM myself, but not as much as I'd like. I really like Visual Novels that are made in Ren'py with Daz-models.
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                        It is be a game that focus mainly on the Dom/Sub-relationship of two characters.
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                        That means it has two playable characters, the male protagonist and the female protagonist.
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                        The fact that the main focus is on the relationship of both means obviously that decisions work like conversations. When you make a decision with the MP that concerns the FP, then you can react with the FP. That way the playern can craft his/her own story and relationship between the both protagonists.
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                        Why do I want to make a system like that?
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                        Well I want the player to have full controll over the emotions of the protagonists. I am not the biggest fan of any stats or grind in games, so I want the game to be mostly choice based.
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                        The game will start in a BDSM Club/Bar.
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                        The MP is a quite experienced Dom, who had a D/S relationship for a long time. At some point the relationship failed. Now he is single and mostly acts out his lifestyle in this club with different women.
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                        He is a good friend of the club owner of the club and a member himself.
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                        The FP goes to the club for the first time. She goes there together with two of her girlfriends. Her girlfriends already went there in the past. The FP was never in a BDSM-relationship before, but dreamed about it and did some playing with herself. So she isn't vanilla, but also not quite experienced and she only had vanilla-realionships.
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                        So both protagonists will meet in this club for the first time and get to know each other.
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                        After some time this will end in a relationship between those two. Obviously they know that they are both interessted in BDSM.
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                        The FP wants to go further and experience new stuff, but she doesn't know really know what she likes and where her limits are.
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                        The MP on the other hand was in a relationship that ended bad, because of BDSM, so he is afraid that it goes too far again. (although he actually like the extremes) So he tryes to guide the FP in a speed that is comfortable for both of them.
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                        How the relationship progresses and how far it goes will be totally up to the player.
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                        You want it to focus only on pet-play? No problem! You only want light BDSM? Also no problem! You want to go as extrem as possible? Also no problem! (At the moment I am not sure, if I want to put in non-consentual stuff like rape)
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                          Male Protagonist: I am not too sure about his job yet, but I don't want him to have money problems. He is quite tall, about 1,90 to 1,95 meters. He has brown hair and brown eyes. Not too sure about long or short hair yet, but he should have a beard. He is in his late 20s.
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                          Female Protagonist: Her job should be something creative like an author or an artist. I am not too sure about her appearence. Maybe she is cute and petite or like a model tall with long legs. Both can fit in their own ways. At the beginning she is relatively innocent. I definitly want her to have red hair and green or blue eyes.
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                           Through out the game I want them to change their appearence so you have the feeling development in time and in the story. So the MP can have a haircut and of course change his clothing style. The FP as she gets more and more into being a Sub, can change her appearence drasticly, like getting piercings all over her body, maybe tatoos, coloring her hair, new hair styles, wearing a collar,etc.
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                          For side characters, there will be some. Not too sure about who  and what they are, but here some examples: Club owner (friend of MP), Dominatrix (friend and sexual partner in the past), male or female sub for the Dominatrix, two female friends of the FP, older brother of the MP, two sisters of the MP (they are triplets), younger brother of FP, older sister of FP, etc.
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                        And now the stuff that interessts you the most... the pervy stuff!
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                        I list the fetishes/tags/genres that might be in it (although it is way too much) and after this I describe a sexual scenes as some example. For Fetishes I can think of nearly everything, the only limits are at some of the more extreme stuff.
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                           BDSM (in general)
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                           24/7 relationship
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           checklist
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           Bondage (+suspension bondage, waterbondage, bondage art, hair bondage, etc.)
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           Humilation and anti-humilation
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           anal (sex, torture, training, anilingus, etc.)
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           age play
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           animal play (pet play, pony girl, animal transformation fantasy)
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           auction (maybe for a scene in the club)
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           body worship
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           bastinado and caning
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           aftercare
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           body modification
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           brat
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           breast bondage
                           <br/>
                          </li>
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                           breath control, breath play
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           breeding (-fantasy)
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           whipping
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           chastity
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           contract
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           costume/role play
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           cuckquean
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           Dacryphilia
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           reward and punishment
                          </li>
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                           dungeon
                           <br/>
                          </li>
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                           electric play
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           erotic sexual denial
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           exhibitionism
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           face fucking
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           fear play
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           fire and ice
                           <br/>
                          </li>
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                           forced orgasm
                           <br/>
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                           hard limit
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                           (harem) (not sure, but there are some ideas)
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                           lactation
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           mindfuck
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           nipple torture
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           nose hook
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           objectification
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           orgasm control or denial
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           safeword
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           pinwheel
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           polyamory
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           power exchange
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           SSC
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           scent play
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           service
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           torture (play)
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           training
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           wax play
                           <br/>
                          </li>
                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           wooden horse
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           sharing
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                          <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                           etc.
                          </li>
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                          Extremer fetishes:
                          <br/>
                          <ul>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            abduction/kidnapping - in combination with rape-play
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            bladder/bowel control
                            <br/>
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            (bestiality) (really not sure about this)
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            urination
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            scat/brown shower (active and passive)
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            edge play
                            <br/>
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            golden shower
                            <br/>
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            knife play
                            <br/>
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            needle play
                            <br/>
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            toilet play
                            <br/>
                           </li>
                           <li data-xf-list-type="ul">
                            etc.
                           </li>
                          </ul>
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                        That was a really long list and of course just examples of what might be intersting in such a relationship. As you can see I didn't put incest there, not that I don't like it, but I thought it isn't needed, but maybe there will be an option to share the FP with the MPs sisters.
                        <br/>
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                        I also thought about a feature that shows a list of what the FP likes and what are her hardlimits, softlimits, etc. That list is always accessible for the player. That way you can decide if you want to go further in some directions or not.
                        <br/>
                        <br/>
                        <br/>
                        So lets imagine that the relationship of both protagonists has grown quite much and they are already in a D/S realtionship, but they are still early in discovering what they both like.
                        <br/>
                        The FP got the order to clean the house in a maid uniform and to be always accessible for the MP. While cleaning something she is bend over and you can see her pussy, of course she was a good girl and didn't put on any panties.
                        <br/>
                        Now the MP has quite some possibilities, of course he can just fuck her without even asking her, because she had to be accessible for him. You can order her in some possitions or you could punish her because she doesn't work to your liking.
                        <br/>
                        There will nearly always be an option that will push the limit of what the FP likes at the moment. So for example you pour a glass of water on the floor and order her to clean the floor by licking it up. Then she can decide to do it without hesitation, begging to not do it, refusing to do it with consequences or saying her "slowword" or safeword.
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                        Thanks for reading my ideas, I hope you liked it
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                        If you have something to add, something positive or negative to say about it, I am happy to hear it
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                     While it is not directly reflective of your ideas... you might actually really enjoy the game I am making. It is not explicitly roleplay-esque dom/sub genre, but has a heavy emphasis on sadomasochism and the MC is somewhat of a piece of shit who has a wife that is head-over-heels for him. After his sadistic sexual desires are amplified by a chance encounter, he slowly becomes more and more dominant of his incredibly shy, insecure, and modest wife (sexually speaking. this is just a side-arc in the game, not in any way the sole focus of the game. it's just a small part of their changing relationship dynamic). It starts out with him being a little rougher than normal, but players have the option to escalate this into something much more intense and rather messed up. The only problem you and others *might* have is the game's story is hyper-realistic-- the wife is not very reciprocal of these changes but is too submissive to say anything and it leads to her suffering a bit. In addition to this, I've written the story with emphasis on the player's emotions and internal monologues, meaning it will hit you in the feels and might be too "real" for some.
                     <br/>
                     <br/>
                     It is a suspense story that follows the MC, a psychologist, and his escalation into darkness. Players can direct him into darkness or *try* to steer him back into the light. The game will include everything from (semi-optional)forced sex to more vanilla sexual encounters &amp; relationships. First release will drop in a few months, so feel free to follow me if that's something that interests you.
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                     If you end up making your own game, it sounds really amazing, you've clearly put a lot of thought into it, and I'm very much interested in playing it! I am a huge fan of the sadomasochism/dom/sub genre. I will definitely follow your progress, so take the leap and I wish you good luck!
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                        While it is not directly reflective of your ideas... you might actually really enjoy the game I am making. It is not explicitly roleplay-esque dom/sub genre, but has a heavy emphasis on sadomasochism and the MC is somewhat of a piece of shit who has a wife that is head-over-heels for him. After his sadistic sexual desires are amplified by a chance encounter, he slowly becomes more and more dominant of his incredibly shy, insecure, and modest wife (sexually speaking. this is just a side-arc in the game, not in any way the sole focus of the game. it's just a small part of their changing relationship dynamic). It starts out with him being a little rougher than normal, but players have the option to escalate this into something much more intense and rather messed up. The only problem you and others *might* have is the game's story is hyper-realistic-- the wife is not very reciprocal of these changes but is too submissive to say anything and it leads to her suffering a bit. In addition to this, I've written the story with emphasis on the player's emotions and internal monologues, meaning it will hit you in the feels and might be too "real" for some.
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                     I am pretty sure that you wrote about your game somewhere else, that was the reason why I followed you
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                     And I really like the idea of a game where the wife loves you so much or rather is so submissiv that she will endure everything you do to her. On the other hand I like it that it will focus around the emotions and inner monologues of the MC. That way you can really feel the emotions.
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                     When I was thinking about my game idea, I first thought about the choices to just break the submissiv part by doing to extreme things and practically forcing her under the doms will. Especially because that way the player could just play hower he/she wants. But after thinking about it, I decided to focus on the "safe, sane and consensual" aspect of BDSM.
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                     Of couse I will bend the "safe and sane" part a bit. But it always should be consensual in the game.
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                        It is a suspense story that follows the MC, a psychologist, and his escalation into darkness. Players can direct him into darkness or *try* to steer him back into the light. The game will include everything from (semi-optional)forced sex to more vanilla sexual encounters &amp; relationships. First release will drop in a few months, so feel free to follow me if that's something that interests you.
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                     I like games where you can decide to go the dark path or try to go the light path or even stay somewhere in between.
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                     And as I said I already followed you some time ago because of the game
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                        If you end up making your own game, it sounds really amazing, you've clearly put a lot of thought into it, and I'm very much interested in playing it! I am a huge fan of the sadomasochism/dom/sub genre. I will definitely follow your progress, so take the leap and I wish you good luck!
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                     Well there aren't enough SM-D/S games out there. They mostly just grasps a very small part of it and it is more vanilla than hardcore.
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                        I am pretty sure that you wrote about your game somewhere else, that was the reason why I followed you
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                        And I really like the idea of a game where the wife loves you so much or rather is so submissiv that she will endure everything you do to her. On the other hand I like it that it will focus around the emotions and inner monologues of the MC. That way you can really feel the emotions.
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                        When I was thinking about my game idea, I first thought about the choices to just break the submissiv part by doing to extreme things and practically forcing her under the doms will. Especially because that way the player could just play hower he/she wants. But after thinking about it, I decided to focus on the "safe, sane and consensual" aspect of BDSM.
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                        Of couse I will bend the "safe and sane" part a bit. But it always should be consensual in the game.
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                        And as I said I already followed you some time ago because of the game
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                        Well there aren't enough SM-D/S games out there. They mostly just grasps a very small part of it and it is more vanilla than hardcore.
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                        I really want to make this game, but I have to learn a lot about the game making before even really starting it. The easiest part is to think about the story. And as I only want to make it as a hobby for now, I won't have a lot of time for this... :coldsweat:
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                     Oh it's definitely understandable. I was lucky enough to form a three person partnership with two incredibly skilled people... otherwise, it'd be a very long time before this game would even be possible. It's plausible to teach yourself how to code and animate through tutorial videos and some reading, but definitely time consuming and also not cheap. Daz assets are very expensive. With all of that said... if it's something you really want to do as a hobby, you should definitely give it a try. Some of the best developers in the entire genre are completely self-taught one-man machines capable of pumping out fully functional game releases in a single month
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                     Well with more people you definitly have more work-power. On the other hand it has to work out between you and the others, especially when each part does a different thing in the project
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                     Yeah I can't really see me beginning the game before mid next year x'D
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                     As long as I don't buy them in one go, it is managable :biggrin:
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                        What you need before anything else now is a solid framework of methods and functions to execute those actions you describe. If the goal is really to give the user the freedom to make actual decisions on his/her own for both characters you need a set of variables and rule sets.
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                        Especially BDSM needs some well done rule sets since we are leaving the usual comfort zone of most and it already is heavily rule intensive in real life too. Since the game chars have to agree to rules among them that's your actual starting point. Define what kind of attributes each char needs to make those rules work.
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                     Yeah my biggest problem is definitely that I don't have much experience in creating a VN. And for my experience level the goal of this game is really high. Having the ideas is nice and all, but that's the easiest part of all in my opinion.
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                     And another difficult part of all is the starting point. With what to start? Trying to learn everyting first or trying to learn one thing an start with this? Playing a game and thinking, that you want and can make such a game is always a bit absurd.
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                     Do you mean with a framework of methods and functions something like creating a mindmap for all the choices?
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                     Well all those attributes and such are quite a difficult term and I am not sure if I understood everything correctly (because English isn't my main language). The problem with all those fetishes and interessts is that every player has different fondness for fetishes. If I would really want them too have their freedom in this, I would kind of need to define their list of fetishes with their hard limits and such. I mean that could be made by actually filling it by the submissiv part.
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                     The question is, when the player playes both characters, how many and what attributes do I need. Or do I want to let the player decide on what happens, even if it would be too much for one of the characters. I have the feeling that too many free choices are an actuall problem for the flow of the game...
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                        Simple example: Obedience and Dominance will probably become 2 major stats. If there is lack of one or the other the outcome or choices have to be limited accordingly. If there isnt enough dominance it doesnt matter that the other char is very obedient as there is a lack of mutual respect (or lack of fear if one wants to go there). That will lead to a limitation of choices or even extra choices - depending on what your goal is.
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                     But how can I decide what limits the choices of the player? If the a stat like obedience or dominance isn't high enough how could I decide what choices and action to limit? Every person is different and would choose different. That way I would restrict their choices.
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                        Write some simple pseudocode like this: if dom minus obed less than zero limit choices to ...
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                     I didn't know of pseudocode. That sounds like an awsome idea to me, thanks
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                        Yeah my biggest problem is definitely that I don't have much experience in creating a VN. And for my experience level the goal of this game is really high. Having the ideas is nice and all, but that's the easiest part of all in my opinion.
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                     So true - if just more people would understand it like you do!
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                        Well all those attributes and such are quite a difficult term and I am not sure if I understood everything correctly (because English isn't my main language). The problem with all those fetishes and interessts is that every player has different fondness for fetishes. If I would really want them too have their freedom in this, I would kind of need to define their list of fetishes with their hard limits and such. I mean that could be made by actually filling it by the submissiv part.
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                     Nailed it.
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                     Whatever engine is going to be chosen for this game - it will require simple definitions that can be translated into code.
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                     Which is why i gave the pseudocode example further down. Pseudocode is basically just a simplification of all you wrote earlier and cooked down to the actual necessary facts (attributes or fetishes). As it is supposed to be coded one day you will need some definition of limits - yes. An engine cant decide for you. You have to define each and every fetish and the conditions necessary to obtain/fulfil them. From what you wrote you want the player to decide - but you still have to define the playing field and the rules that apply. So limitations are actually good and necessary. One cant use the hardest spanking tool wqhen they are just starting out with spanking, spanking probably comes earlier than  other fettishes etc etc. Everything is bound to have some kind of condition to be fulfilled before one can make the choice. Or the choice itself gets limited in duration or how heavy the actual performance can be. All this needs some rough translation into simple attributes and simple conditions - best written into pseudocode which is not tied to any particular engine. But pseudocode is easily understandable for a coder - and its those you lack right now to help you. These definitions make up the 'framework' of your story because they will lead to actual code and functions to perform whatever has to be executed in real code later.
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                        The question is, when the player playes both characters, how many and what attributes do I need. Or do I want to let the player decide on what happens, even if it would be too much for one of the characters. I have the feeling that too many free choices are an actuall problem for the flow of the game...
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                     You have to set the rules. Let me use a sport example to make clear why: In football (or soccer for our american friends here) you have a playing field and a given set of rules. But the players decide how to shoot and play the ball - there is no outside control about that. Your game has to work the same way. You deliver the contents of the playing field (fetishes and the connected rules and limitations/conditions for each of them but the players can choose how and if they want to use any or all of the available stuff.
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                        But how can I decide what limits the choices of the player? If the a stat like obedience or dominance isn't high enough how could I decide what choices and action to limit? Every person is different and would choose different. That way I would restrict their choices.
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                     No you wouldnt. If you dont limit the choices or create rules you will end up in total chaos and thus your game becomes unplayable. Imagine a new player being able to basically torture the shit out of your new submissive right from the start - sounds wrong, correct? You could have it end in a game over of course - which would just lead to the player feeling miserable and cheated because you gave him the freedom to begin with. Users always ask for freedom but that is seldom 'total freedom'. Often they actually mean 'variety' and 'choices' when they talk about freedom. We as humans tend to require rule sets. We like to bend those rules or try to avoid them at times but we are naturally trying to find an order in something. Games without rules usually dont work and rules always mean limitation in some way.
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                        I didn't know of pseudocode. That sounds like an awsome idea to me, thanks
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                     It is and should be used more often. It is a great tool of communication between the hardcore geeks and writers or non-coders.
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                        You have a counter (or multiple) running in the background. (you can even display them if you want)
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                     Yeah counter are a good idea, I kind of like the idea for a rating system for the sub as how much she likes a fetish from the list. But I am not sure if this is practicable...
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                        So true - if just more people would understand it like you do!
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                     Well it took me some time as well
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                        Nailed it.
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                        Whatever engine is going to be chosen for this game - it will require simple definitions that can be translated into code.
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                        Which is why i gave the pseudocode example further down. Pseudocode is basically just a simplification of all you wrote earlier and cooked down to the actual necessary facts (attributes or fetishes). As it is supposed to be coded one day you will need some definition of limits - yes. An engine cant decide for you. You have to define each and every fetish and the conditions necessary to obtain/fulfil them. From what you wrote you want the player to decide - but you still have to define the playing field and the rules that apply. So limitations are actually good and necessary. One cant use the hardest spanking tool wqhen they are just starting out with spanking, spanking probably comes earlier than other fettishes etc etc. Everything is bound to have some kind of condition to be fulfilled before one can make the choice. Or the choice itself gets limited in duration or how heavy the actual performance can be. All this needs some rough translation into simple attributes and simple conditions - best written into pseudocode which is not tied to any particular engine. But pseudocode is easily understandable for a coder - and its those you lack right now to help you. These definitions make up the 'framework' of your story because they will lead to actual code and functions to perform whatever has to be executed in real code later.
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                     Well it would be possible to bring hardcore stuff in early, but that would or should end into a "Game over" and I hate game over. And as I want to focus on consent, I obviously need to restrict the early game fetishes. Especially when I want one of the characters to be totally unexperienced.
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                        You have to set the rules. Let me use a sport example to make clear why: In football (or soccer for our american friends here) you have a playing field and a given set of rules. But the players decide how to shoot and play the ball - there is no outside control about that. Your game has to work the same way. You deliver the contents of the playing field (fetishes and the connected rules and limitations/conditions for each of them but the players can choose how and if they want to use any or all of the available stuff.
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                     Yeah something like: First BDSM-Play-Session - X specific fetishes are unlocked to use. Player can decide out of Y different fetishes with which to start. Session 1 has for example two scenes. Then I could make some kind of fetish categories. Like "Spanking"- category,  which starts of with the hand. After using the hand an amount of times, you unlock the next level in this category, for example the paddle.
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                     That would be an example, but as I don't like grinding games, I want to make the scenes different even by using always the hand. So yeah that's something I have to think about.
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                        No you wouldnt. If you dont limit the choices or create rules you will end up in total chaos and thus your game becomes unplayable. Imagine a new player being able to basically torture the shit out of your new submissive right from the start - sounds wrong, correct? You could have it end in a game over of course - which would just lead to the player feeling miserable and cheated because you gave him the freedom to begin with. Users always ask for freedom but that is seldom 'total freedom'. Often they actually mean 'variety' and 'choices' when they talk about freedom. We as humans tend to require rule sets. We like to bend those rules or try to avoid them at times but we are naturally trying to find an order in something. Games without rules usually dont work and rules always mean limitation in some way.
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                     I guess this is going to be the most difficult part for me. I don't really have the mindset for coding. So yeah this could take me the longest time at some point, although the whole rendering stuff isn't as easy as someone might think it is :coldsweat:
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                        Things are probably simpler than you see them right now. You wrote a very detailed list of fetishes you wanted in the game - but most of them classify as an element of a group. So condensed you are looking at maybe 10 different major groups with a lot of sub-festish below them.
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                        KISS (keep it stupid simple) also applies to any game development. Take just a handful of major groups like bondage, humiliation, exhibition, pain. Sort them by how you want them to be available and give them some artificial condition - nothing too strict or complicated. Simple stuff. That makes your framework you will build on to figure out if and how a mechnic works with those few. Adding is just painful work after that - the biggest problem is usually to get a mechanic to work at all. Once the simple version works its just about adding all the detailed ones into the same concept.
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                     What do you mean with "artificial condition"? It doesn't make that much sense when I translate it...:coldsweat:
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                     One thing to keep in mind is that the best doms are the best subs, so having some occasional role swapping is not out of the question.It is good to be able to know what it is like on both ends.
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                     One option is to have your bar/club run by a brother/sister pair of doms, who each train other people, they don't have to train each other. That way you still get your dynamic, and the down side of that is that you need at least 2 more models and people would want them to get together at some point.
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                        Sorry it took me so long, I opened this page, and then got distracted and forgot about it...
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                     No problem at all
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                        One thing to keep in mind is that the best doms are the best subs, so having some occasional role swapping is not out of the question.It is good to be able to know what it is like on both ends.
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                     Well I kind of was thinking about a more mature Dominatrix (maybe a friend of the dominant protagonist), who was some kind of teacher for him/her.
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                        One option is to have your bar/club run by a brother/sister pair of doms, who each train other people, they don't have to train each other. That way you still get your dynamic, and the down side of that is that you need at least 2 more models and people would want them to get together at some point.
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                     Do you mean that they trained the dominant protagonist to be a Dom? Well as I wanted to make more character nonetheless, I guess it would be ok.
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                        Branding, tattoo, even a collar with a nametag works, it doesn't matter what it is exactly, the point is to show 'ownership'/'dominance', not necessarily 'damage the goods'.
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                     I am totally up for the collar. I mean something permanent is nice, but I am not the biggest fan of "single" tattoos. Well some kind of piercings could be nice as well. And of course no permanent "damage"!
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                        I am a big fan on multiple paths, I like to be able to control the way the story flow, and I don't like being punished for playing the path I choose.
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                     I totally agree with this and I also hate Game Overs!
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                        Personally I am not a big fan of playing a female character in a sex game, though a big part of that is due to the plots usually revolve around them getting raped or abused, being a dom does help in that regard, but I would only want to do yuri scenes if I were playing a female character. Even as a woman, I am not chasing after guys... XD
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                     Well it would be perfect to choose what sex the two characters have, but that might be to much work, so maybe I have to stick with a male and a female.
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                     Because if I provide a lesbian option then I have to provide a gay option as well and that would be too much work. :coldsweat:
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                        Well I kind of was thinking about a more mature Dominatrix (maybe a friend of the dominant protagonist), who was some kind of teacher for him/her.
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                     I see, then if you want a male who is younger then, you could go aunt, or mother's friend, who runs the club, and who has taken a shine to the kid, maybe training him as her apprentice.
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                        Do you mean that they trained the dominant protagonist to be a Dom? Well as I wanted to make more character nonetheless, I guess it would be ok.
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                     I just mean that the best doms, have been subs at some time. If we are talking about the Male Protagonist, and you are using the protege option, then he was her sub, and now he is starting to train as her assistant, and you are giving him his first sub, or maybe that was just his origin, and he has now trained many at the start of the game. Say he is mid 20, she could be 30's, maybe even early 40's.
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                        I am totally up for the collar. I mean something permanent is nice, but I am not the biggest fan of "single" tattoos. Well some kind of piercings could be nice as well. And of course no permanent "damage"!
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                     Yes, a piercing isn't too bad, and many subs have those, but especially if you go with the labia or worse, that can be pretty hardcore too, but the nipples aren't bad, I kind of go back and forth on that, depends on the mood I am in that day.. XD
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                        I totally agree with this and I also hate Game Overs!
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                     No doubt, bad ends suck. That one in My Cute Roommate/Cousin really annoyed me, kicking me out for spanking it in the only way it let me... I wanted to do it in the shower like a normal game, but NOoo...! :winkytongue: Why give me the option then?
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                        Well it would be perfect to choose what sex the two characters have, but that might be to much work, so maybe I have to stick with a male and a female.
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                        Because if I provide a lesbian option then I have to provide a gay option as well and that would be too much work. :coldsweat:
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                     No doubt, I am planning one in which I have about 4 routes for each character, and on top of that, the protagonist is a genderbender, so I will need 2 versions of every scene for that too. That is one up side of using the sprite rigging system, I like the way Oni did it in Rogue-Like, but it is also way too much work, that said, getting Rogue turned on so much that you can get her into an infinite loop by spanking her ass, is pretty fun! XD
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                     But as I was saying, due to the MC being able to turn into a female (might work a futa option too later if it goes over well enough), I will need a lot of options at some point, so I am sticking to certain fetishes for each potential love interest. (males and females, since I assume some people will like that, based on the fan art I see).
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                     What I would suggest is to take it slowly, just work on one scene at a time, just add things as you can, and slowly build it up to your dream, one step at a time. If you keep plugging away at it, you will get there, especially if you can get something like Daz to work for you, and if you are only doing stills. Working up to animations will take longer, but for stills, once you get the models created, then it is just posing them and rendering them, not that bad, relatively speaking. That is one reason these CGI games can pump out updates so fast compared to our 2D counterparts. Of course that is assuming you are comfortable with the game engine you are using.
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                     The problem is, that almost any way you go, odds are people are going to want scenes with the Female Protagonist, especially with that MILF fetish out there. If you are going with the protege option, then that could at least be in the background, as part of your intro, showing him as her sub, then as he starts to train others... that is one nice thing about having him training his first girl, you can have her saying something to the effect of 'now you need to give her your love', and him wanting to crawl back, like a baby bird leaving the nest. XD
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                        I see, then if you want a male who is younger then, you could go aunt, or mother's friend, who runs the club, and who has taken a shine to the kid, maybe training him as her apprentice.
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                     I am actually not sure, if I want to put in any incest at all. I kind of feel that it isn't necessary
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                     I am just up for a more mature woman, that the dominant protagonist met in in the past.
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                        I just mean that the best doms, have been subs at some time. If we are talking about the Male Protagonist, and you are using the protege option, then he was her sub, and now he is starting to train as her assistant, and you are giving him his first sub, or maybe that was just his origin, and he has now trained many at the start of the game. Say he is mid 20, she could be 30's, maybe even early 40's.
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                     It could be an idea to make it a bit like a trainer game, but I kind of want to make it more into a relationship that contains some love as well
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                     Let's say I am not sure about it xD
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                        Yes, a piercing isn't too bad, and many subs have those, but especially if you go with the labia or worse, that can be pretty hardcore too, but the nipples aren't bad, I kind of go back and forth on that, depends on the mood I am in that day.. XD
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                     I love piercings, especially on the more sexual zones of the body :biggrin: I want to include it that the sub gets these as some kind of rewards for being good to the master and to show that he/she is his/hers.
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                        No doubt, bad ends suck. That one in My Cute Roommate/Cousin really annoyed me, kicking me out for spanking it in the only way it let me... I wanted to do it in the shower like a normal game, but NOoo...! :winkytongue: Why give me the option then?
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                     I mean seariously, why implimenting something so I have to reload at some point? I hate it! I mean if you include that you can rape someone, then have the balls to go with the consequences or just leave it be :coldsweat:
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                        No doubt, I am planning one in which I have about 4 routes for each character, and on top of that, the protagonist is a genderbender, so I will need 2 versions of every scene for that too. That is one up side of using the sprite rigging system, I like the way Oni did it in Rogue-Like, but it is also way too much work, that said, getting Rogue turned on so much that you can get her into an infinite loop by spanking her ass, is pretty fun! XD
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                        But as I was saying, due to the MC being able to turn into a female (might work a futa option too later if it goes over well enough), I will need a lot of options at some point, so I am sticking to certain fetishes for each potential love interest. (males and females, since I assume some people will like that, based on the fan art I see).
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                     A genderbender sounds really interessting as a character. And well doing some routes is kind of a must, when you want to make a game with choices, so we have to deal with the work it makes
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                     I am not too familiar with the sprite rigging system, but I am not quite familiar with 2D games at all :coldsweat:
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                     Well it is always good to start with a limited amount of fetishes, I think adding more later is always an option
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                        What I would suggest is to take it slowly, just work on one scene at a time, just add things as you can, and slowly build it up to your dream, one step at a time. If you keep plugging away at it, you will get there, especially if you can get something like Daz to work for you, and if you are only doing stills. Working up to animations will take longer, but for stills, once you get the models created, then it is just posing them and rendering them, not that bad, relatively speaking. That is one reason these CGI games can pump out updates so fast compared to our 2D counterparts. Of course that is assuming you are comfortable with the game engine you are using.
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                     Yeah it would never work, if I try to work on more things at the same time xD And stills are good for me. Better do some nice stills before doing some bad looking animations
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                     Well as I love 3DCG games, I think DAZ Studio is the best option for me and Ren'py would be the best as an engine I think.
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                        The problem is, that almost any way you go, odds are people are going to want scenes with the Female Protagonist, especially with that MILF fetish out there. If you are going with the protege option, then that could at least be in the background, as part of your intro, showing him as her sub, then as he starts to train others... that is one nice thing about having him training his first girl, you can have her saying something to the effect of 'now you need to give her your love', and him wanting to crawl back, like a baby bird leaving the nest. XD
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                     Well I am always open for suggestions with scenes, but I have my limits on what I want to do. And I might considers scenes like a sharing event with the mature teacher, but nothing permanent. Just something like a single BDSM session.
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                        I am actually not sure, if I want to put in any incest at all. I kind of feel that it isn't necessary
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                        I am just up for a more mature woman, that the dominant protagonist met in in the past.
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                     No, not needed, there are plenty of ways to get a milf in there without her being related, I only mentioned it because others were talking about it at the beginning.
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                     The other option is to make it optional, by asking their relation, but it changes the dynamic so much that it's easier to write if you just pick something and stick to it.
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                        It could be an idea to make it a bit like a trainer game, but I kind of want to make it more into a relationship that contains some love as well
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                        Let's say I am not sure about it XD
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                     I am debating that right now myself, I actually like the idea of stats, but I can see the appeal of simply ticking off flags too.
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                        I love piercings, especially on the more sexual zones of the body :biggrin: I want to include it that the sub gets these as some kind of rewards for being good to the master and to show that he/she is his/hers.
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                     Exactly, it can work like a brand or a tattoo, much like a collar.
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                        I mean seariously, why implimenting something so I have to reload at some point? I hate it! I mean if you include that you can rape someone, then have the balls to go with the consequences or just leave it be :coldsweat:
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                     Not doubt, I can see it setting you on a darker path, but that should be an option! XD
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                        A genderbender sounds really interessting as a character. And well doing some routes is kind of a must, when you want to make a game with choices, so we have to deal with the work it makes
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                        I am not too familiar with the sprite rigging system, but I am not quite familiar with 2D games at all :coldsweat:
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                        Well it is always good to start with a limited amount of fetishes, I think adding more later is always an option
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                     One of the Anime I have loved for a long time was Ranma, and am kind of into the fanfiction, wrote a bit of it myself, so it seemed like a good place to start. XD That said, while I have no interest in it, since he can change genders, and there are both genders chasing after him, I want to give everyone the options they might want, if those options get enough support. But it depends on what people want and what my artists will go for when we get there.
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                     It can be both a 'bad end' type thing (without ending anything), be totally optional, and gives people with certain fetishes a thing to do. This gives potential options for M/F, F/F, F/M, or M/M (if anyone wants that), including a trap and a number of crossdressers.
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                     Well, for 2D sprites, you can set up a sprite sheet, and layer things on top of each other, so you have a base model, like a paper doll, and then you can layer clothing, hair, expressions, etc. on top and this can keep your file size smaller, and your load times faster, because you are only changing small pieces at a time, rather than the fill screen image.
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                     I plan to do one route at a time, and one character at a time, but first I need a system, where he can go to school, fight, shop, run around town, and so on, then I can start that. The idea being that they each have a 'Like' and a 'Respect' stat, if you raise both, then you get the love route, if you lower both, then you get a hate route, and if you raise respect but lower like, then you get them being submissive, and opposite lets them be dominate. I need to be careful about how they are rewarded. You don't want the player to be able to skip events, so they need to happen in order, so you can have events unlock by having a minimum stat, but also require story events. Kind of like how Man of the House had their stars to show story progress.
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                        Yeah it would never work, if I try to work on more things at the same time XD And stills are good for me. Better do some nice stills before doing some bad looking animations
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                     Yeah, keep it simple, and only progress when you feel comfortable about doing it. Personally, I am not a fan of 3D, but some of them are good, and the animations help, like in Milfy City or Sisterly Lust. Daz is good, but many people don't get their settings right, and end up with grainy renders, covered in noise. I haven't figured it out myself, but from what I have read, it has something to do with the lighting settings, so be careful of that. And as I said in the other thread, happy to help if you need some help rendering, but I am not any good at doing models or posing yet, but then I have spent next to no time on it... I figured I could do like in a Character Creator, like in the SIms or something, but it was a lot more complicated than I thought. getting decent looking nipples is challenging, some barely even try.
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                        Well I am always open for suggestions with scenes, but I have my limits on what I want to do. And I might considers scenes like a sharing event with the mature teacher, but nothing permanent. Just something like a single BDSM session.
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                        I definitely consider the option of both the MP and FP being unexperienced
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                     Brainstorming is one of my hobbies, so if you ever need help making a scene work, or need ideas for something, and I am happy to help come up with ideas, just give me the restrictions you want to work within.
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                     What I had in mind, at least at one point, was to have the two MC's have the option to have occasional scenes on the side, with each other, not with their subs. For example, the character has not trained their sub to the point that they are ready for sex, you could go to your old mistress/student for a bit of fun. That said, the idea of using them to have a 3P has it's appeal. A bit of DP is good for any sub, you could start off training them with toys, and then work up to a strap-on, but make it optional for the people who are not into 3P scenes I guess... :winkytongue:
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                     The idea that the FP is experienced as a dom, and the MP is fresh out of training holds a lot of appeal to me, but I suppose if you want, one option is to have that switch if you play the female, but doing that means you need 4 models for the MCs, but it gives you the option to have 4 combinations. Older FP + Younger MP, Older MP + Younger FP, both old, or both younger. Even if they are both close to the same age one could easily be more experienced. But that might be too much work.
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                     Being dyslexic, I gave up on Ren'Py myself, Unity seemed easier for me, the challenge so far seems like it will be the save system. It's all a matter of what is easiest for you, and if you happen to be familiar with their coding languages already, such as Python, C#, or so on...
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                        No, not needed, there are plenty of ways to get a milf in there without her being related, I only mentioned it because others were talking about it at the beginning.
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                        The other option is to make it optional, by asking their relation, but it changes the dynamic so much that it's easier to write if you just pick something and stick to it.
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                     Yeah no problem, bringing in a mature woman shouldn't be a big problem.
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                     I think I can't make too many thing optional, because then the game gets overloaded and it might be too much work to progress further in the story.
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                        I am debating that right now myself, I actually like the idea of stats, but I can see the appeal of simply ticking off flags too.
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                     What do you mean with ticking off flags? Stats are a two sided sword I think. On one hand I don't like them, because you always have to look at them, but on the other hand they are needed to deside how far a character can go in a scene.
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                        Exactly, it can work like a brand or a tattoo, much like a collar.
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                     Yeah, for me a brand is a bit too extreme and a brand or tattoo are a bit too permanent xD But collars and piercings are awsome
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                        Not doubt, I can see it setting you on a darker path, but that should be an option! XD
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                     I mean, if you are in prison after this, of course then it is like a game over, but then just don't impliment such a scene :coldsweat:
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                        One of the Anime I have loved for a long time was Ranma, and am kind of into the fanfiction, wrote a bit of it myself, so it seemed like a good place to start. XD That said, while I have no interest in it, since he can change genders, and there are both genders chasing after him, I want to give everyone the options they might want, if those options get enough support. But it depends on what people want and what my artists will go for when we get there.
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                        It can be both a 'bad end' type thing (without ending anything), be totally optional, and gives people with certain fetishes a thing to do. This gives potential options for M/F, F/F, F/M, or M/M (if anyone wants that), including a trap and a number of crossdressers.
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                     I like the idea of a genderbend character and that the story might give the options for all those relationship types. I mean I am not the biggest M/M fan, but giving the possibility in a game for it would definitely awsome. Would do it as well, if it wasn't too much work.
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                     I am definitely planning to to some kind of fetish list to choose from at the beginning of the game.
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                        Well, for 2D sprites, you can set up a sprite sheet, and layer things on top of each other, so you have a base model, like a paper doll, and then you can layer clothing, hair, expressions, etc. on top and this can keep your file size smaller, and your load times faster, because you are only changing small pieces at a time, rather than the fill screen image.
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                        I plan to do one route at a time, and one character at a time, but first I need a system, where he can go to school, fight, shop, run around town, and so on, then I can start that. The idea being that they each have a 'Like' and a 'Respect' stat, if you raise both, then you get the love route, if you lower both, then you get a hate route, and if you raise respect but lower like, then you get them being submissive, and opposite lets them be dominate. I need to be careful about how they are rewarded. You don't want the player to be able to skip events, so they need to happen in order, so you can have events unlock by having a minimum stat, but also require story events. Kind of like how Man of the House had their stars to show story progress.
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                     The biggest problem with stats is that you don't want to create a grindfest. The question is, what will happen if a player tries to mix up the different stats? Are there relationship types in between? I like when there are events that happen at some point of the game and I don't like when you have to search for events like doind X, then Y, then go to Z and then event XX happens.This only works if it doesn't have any time restrictions or there is something like a quest log.
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                        Yeah, keep it simple, and only progress when you feel comfortable about doing it. Personally, I am not a fan of 3D, but some of them are good, and the animations help, like in Milfy City or Sisterly Lust. Daz is good, but many people don't get their settings right, and end up with grainy renders, covered in noise. I haven't figured it out myself, but from what I have read, it has something to do with the lighting settings, so be careful of that. And as I said in the other thread, happy to help if you need some help rendering, but I am not any good at doing models or posing yet, but then I have spent next to no time on it... I figured I could do like in a Character Creator, like in the SIms or something, but it was a lot more complicated than I thought. getting decent looking nipples is challenging, some barely even try.
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                     Well animations is something I won't try early on xD But animations like in Milfy City are what make this game so popular!
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                     If I need help for something I will ask you or just in general on this site. People here are very helpful
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                     A character creator would be like the best thing for a game, but in 3DCG games it wouldn't obviously work.
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                     And especially nippels and genitals are one of the most important things in adult games
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                        Brainstorming is one of my hobbies, so if you ever need help making a scene work, or need ideas for something, and I am happy to help come up with ideas, just give me the restrictions you want to work within.
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                        What I had in mind, at least at one point, was to have the two MC's have the option to have occasional scenes on the side, with each other, not with their subs. For example, the character has not trained their sub to the point that they are ready for sex, you could go to your old mistress/student for a bit of fun. That said, the idea of using them to have a 3P has it's appeal. A bit of DP is good for any sub, you could start off training them with toys, and then work up to a strap-on, but make it optional for the people who are not into 3P scenes I guess... :winkytongue:
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                        Well my problem is I don't like cheating, so it has to be something the other character knows.
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                        With 3P you mean a third protagonist? DP is double penetration? So yeah I could definitely see the teacher of the dom join in at least from time to time.
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                        The idea that the FP is experienced as a dom, and the MP is fresh out of training holds a lot of appeal to me, but I suppose if you want, one option is to have that switch if you play the female, but doing that means you need 4 models for the MCs, but it gives you the option to have 4 combinations. Older FP + Younger MP, Older MP + Younger FP, both old, or both younger. Even if they are both close to the same age one could easily be more experienced. But that might be too much work.
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                        I think I will focus on one gender combination at a time. Starting of with maledom and femsub and shortly after this with femdom and malesub.
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                        Being dyslexic, I gave up on Ren'Py myself, Unity seemed easier for me, the challenge so far seems like it will be the save system. It's all a matter of what is easiest for you, and if you happen to be familiar with their coding languages already, such as Python, C#, or so on...
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                     I have no experience with any engine, but I have the most fun with playing Ren'Py games, so I am tending to use this.
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                        What do you mean with ticking off flags? Stats are a two sided sword I think. On one hand I don't like them, because you always have to look at them, but on the other hand they are needed to deside how far a character can go in a scene.
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                     A flag is any event the play can do, that triggers something else, and tic(king) it off means that you have triggered it. For example, you cannot get into the back room until you find the key, so in this case, finding the key is the flag.
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                        Yeah, for me a brand is a bit too extreme and a brand or tattoo are a bit too permanent XD But collars and piercings are awsome
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                     Agreed, a permanent option should only be for slaves. XD
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                        I mean, if you are in prison after this, of course then it is like a game over, but then just don't impliment such a scene :coldsweat:
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                        I like the idea of a genderbend character and that the story might give the options for all those relationship types. I mean I am not the biggest M/M fan, but giving the possibility in a game for it would definitely awsome. Would do it as well, if it wasn't too much work.
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                     Yeah, I don't like the idea of doing the M/M content either, but I like the option being there for the people who do enjoy it. The only down side is my OCD screaming at me to do everything! XD I had to fight it to not do things like the lolis in DMD.
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                        The biggest problem with stats is that you don't want to create a grindfest. The question is, what will happen if a player tries to mix up the different stats? Are there relationship types in between? I like when there are events that happen at some point of the game and I don't like when you have to search for events like doind X, then Y, then go to Z and then event XX happens.This only works if it doesn't have any time restrictions or there is something like a quest log.
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                     My idea is that the stats for the girls (or whatever) will go up as you follow their story, but some things will be based on your own, in that you unlock new fighting or sex skills as your stats go up. His Libido will go up as he sees anything sexy, and once it gets to a certain point, his mom will arrive and she will help him train. There is also the old perverted master to help him in that way as well. But you are exactly right, you don't want it to be a grindfest, but when I created the system, I was playing Rogue Like, and I like the idea of being able 'train' them in certain things, like getting them to enjoy certain things, like public sex acts, in a country where even normal Public Displays of Affection are frowned upon. XD
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                        Well animations is something I won't try early on XD But animations like in Milfy City are what make this game so popular!
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                        If I need help for something I will ask you or just in general on this site. People here are very helpful
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                        And especially nippels and genitals are one of the most important things in adult games
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                     Originally my goal was something simple like Four Elements Trainer or Rogue Like, but it will depends on what kind of art I can get. For yours, since you are doing the CGI art, you have different limitations. While you can make sprites out of it, it's harder to d the rig-based animation, and they don't look as good as they can in 2D. It's not something us noobies should worry about at first.
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                     I messed with them a bit, and had a rough time with Ren'Py myself, but it was far more 'code-based' than I was happy with. XD I could do some editing in it, but trying to set up a main menu had me stumped.
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                        A flag is any event the play can do, that triggers something else, and tic(king) it off means that you have triggered it. For example, you cannot get into the back room until you find the key, so in this case, finding the key is the flag.
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                     Ok thanks for explaining it to me. Something like this is always nice as long as there is a reminder for what you are actually searching.
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                        Agreed, a permanent option should only be for slaves. XD
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                     Well a game with "real" slaves could be interessting as well, when it for example plays in an historical setting. But I like my slaves with some will and a mind of their own :biggrin:
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                        Yeah, I don't like the idea of doing the M/M content either, but I like the option being there for the people who do enjoy it. The only down side is my OCD screaming at me to do everything! XD I had to fight it to not do things like the lolis in DMD.
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                     I am actually thinking about making the characters pansexual or at least bisexual. That way some interssting constelations could occur
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                        My idea is that the stats for the girls (or whatever) will go up as you follow their story, but some things will be based on your own, in that you unlock new fighting or sex skills as your stats go up. His Libido will go up as he sees anything sexy, and once it gets to a certain point, his mom will arrive and she will help him train. There is also the old perverted master to help him in that way as well. But you are exactly right, you don't want it to be a grindfest, but when I created the system, I was playing Rogue Like, and I like the idea of being able 'train' them in certain things, like getting them to enjoy certain things, like public sex acts, in a country where even normal Public Displays of Affection are frowned upon. XD
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                     At some point you need any kind of stats, but of course you don't need to display them ingame. I was thinking of doing some kind of affection stats to certein fetish groups. But not sure how far I want to go with stats.
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                        Originally my goal was something simple like Four Elements Trainer or Rogue Like, but it will depends on what kind of art I can get. For yours, since you are doing the CGI art, you have different limitations. While you can make sprites out of it, it's harder to d the rig-based animation, and they don't look as good as they can in 2D. It's not something us noobies should worry about at first.
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                     Yeah I have to say I like some really nice still shoots a lot better than seeing some bad animations
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                        I messed with them a bit, and had a rough time with Ren'Py myself, but it was far more 'code-based' than I was happy with. XD I could do some editing in it, but trying to set up a main menu had me stumped.
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                     My recommendation would be to pick one power relationship and stick with it all the way through the game. Male dom/female sub or whichever one you want. I'm not saying don't consider a temporary or exploratory role-reversal somewhere in the story, if that's something you want to do, but rather to avoid unnecessary complexity by trying to allow the player to decide that, halfway through a game in which they've played a dom, they'd really rather be a sub. But as you develop the narrative and the scenes that form that narrative, both textually and visually, keep in the back of your mind that you want to preserve the flexibility to swap out the characters.
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                     When the game's done and out there, go back and recreate it with as many of the other permutations as you feel comfortable rendering: female dom/male sub, same-sex versions thereof, transgender, futa...basically, at that point you can do whatever you want. (By comparison with the rendering time, going through the game script and swapping out names — though if the main characters' names are user-defined you don't even have to do this — pronouns, and body part references would be a piece of cake.) Eventually you'll have complete games to satisfy whichever gender and role preferences your audience has.
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                     I'd also start with a somewhat limited set of kinks/fetishes. As others have suggested, divide them into categories, and then rank them by "degree of difficulty" within that category. Then do one of two things: either select a few from each category that you most want to see included and build the game as an exploration of just what kind of kinks/fetishes the characters are into, or select everything from a single category and build the game as an exploration of just how far the characters want to take a specific kink/fetish. (My personal preference would be for the former approach, but it's not my game.)
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                     This is a framework that will allow you have a playable game and then to retroactively add pretty much any kink or fetish you want to add. If you include "climbing the ladder" menu options (you've successfully tried spanking and you had a good time at the zoo, so she's willing to try flogging, but only on her ass; tomorrow, since she enjoyed both that and breakfast, she's okay with you using it on her breasts; the violet wand was amazing, no matter how much she enjoyed the farm tour you are
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                     yeah me too and a LOOOOT! for me its even more exciting beacause i love photos, i love how u can take a picture and whole world just stops in that one moment, and u can always go back to it, when u see this picture u can feel all the emotions and feelings that u experienced at that moment. thats why thoes games are hitting me with double force.
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                        It is be a game that focus mainly on the Dom/Sub-relationship of two characters.
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                     its not my cup of tee
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                     , i mean i would definitely play the fuck out of this game if only because u are my friend
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                     and even would get over the fact its lacking love\romantic path, but i can definitely stay behind an idea beacouse it is ur main focus and not some mistake or writing laziness.
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                        That means it has two playable characters, the male protagonist and the female protagonist.
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                     ... that are the most exciting points of ur idea. Choices thats what i love the most and im just pissed of when ur forced into something because writer thinks its what schould happen now, thats the very main problem with couple of the games out there, story is following some path and suddenly writer taking some stupid ass decision just becouse. im not saying all of them supposed to get this shit right on the first try, i understad not a lot of us has some degree in literature and story writing (adn trying this for the first time) but thats why is good to aloud choices in the game, its more of the work i know but sweeps traces of our 'not knowing' and dont break the immersion.
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                     exactly because why u need the grind? do u rl need a map? all thats stats? ofc if its made good thats is fine but u cant allowed people to feel lost or when ur systems are in the way of fun or even worse in the way of the story. beacause if u add all of this stuff it will take a lot more time, the time which is precious, the time u will need to render everything, write and correct the code, the time in wherein people will get interested or not. thats i think game needs to be simple, not taking to much on ur shoulders at least at the first time when u building ur fanbase, u need consistency and quick updates.
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                     shit i was yet again braging like some idiot, heh sorry about that buddy..but this is why i like ur idea more or less heh
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                     oh the rest, the whole story it has some ups and down but dont want to get into it to much, better wait for the execution, dont like spoiling it for myself to much heh
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                        Hello,
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                        at the moment I have some ideas for 2 or 3 games, but absolutly no experience in making a game myself. So at some point I have to learn it obviously. Till than I'd like to share my idea for the game I'd like to make first.
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                        Sadly I can't promise anything, because I don't have too much time...
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                        To myself, I like to read stories and books about BDSM. One of my favourite comics is Sunstone, which has one of the best BDSM lovestories. I have a bit of experience in BDSM myself, but not as much as I'd like. I really like Visual Novels that are made in Ren'py with Daz-models.
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                        It will be a game that focus mainly on the Dom/Sub-relationship of two characters.
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                        That means it has two playable characters, the male protagonist and the female protagonist.
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                        The fact that the main focus is on the relationship of both means obviously that decisions work like conversations. When you make a decision with the MP that concerns the FP, then you can react with the FP. That way the playern can craft his/her own story and relationship between the both protagonists.
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                        Why do I want to make a system like that?
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                        Well I want the player to have full controll over the emotions of the protagonists. I am not the biggest fan of any stats or grind in games, so I want the game to be mostly choice based.
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                          But now I give you a short summery of the story:
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                        The game will start in a BDSM Club/Bar.
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                        The MP is a quite experienced Dom, who had a D/S relationship for a long time. At some point the relationship failed. Now he is single and mostly acts out his lifestyle in this club with different women.
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                        He is a good friend of the club owner of the club and a member himself.
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                        The FP goes to the club for the first time. She goes there together with two of her girlfriends. Her girlfriends already went there in the past. The FP was never in a BDSM-relationship before, but dreamed about it and did some playing with herself. So she isn't vanilla, but also not quite experienced and she only had vanilla-realionships.
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                        So both protagonists will meet in this club for the first time and get to know each other.
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                        After some time this will end in a relationship between those two. Obviously they know that they are both interessted in BDSM.
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                        The FP wants to go further and experience new stuff, but she doesn't know really know what she likes and where her limits are.
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                        The MP on the other hand was in a relationship that ended bad, because of BDSM, so he is afraid that it goes too far again. (although he actually like the extremes) So he tryes to guide the FP in a speed that is comfortable for both of them.
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                        <br/>
                        How the relationship progresses and how far it goes will be totally up to the player.
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                        You want it to focus only on pet-play? No problem! You only want light BDSM? Also no problem! You want to go as extrem as possible? Also no problem! (At the moment I am not sure, if I want to put in non-consentual stuff like rape)
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                          Male Protagonist: I am not too sure about his job yet, but I don't want him to have money problems. He is quite tall, about 1,90 to 1,95 meters. He has brown hair and brown eyes. Not too sure about long or short hair yet, but he should have a beard. He is in his late 20s.
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                          Female Protagonist: Her job should be something creative like an author or an artist. I am not too sure about her appearence. Maybe she is cute and petite or like a model tall with long legs. Both can fit in their own ways. At the beginning she is relatively innocent. I definitly want her to have red hair and green or blue eyes.
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                           Through out the game I want them to change their appearence so you have the feeling development in time and in the story. So the MP can have a haircut and of course change his clothing style. The FP as she gets more and more into being a Sub, can change her appearence drasticly, like getting piercings all over her body, maybe tatoos, coloring her hair, new hair styles, wearing a collar,etc.
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                          For side characters, there will be some. Not too sure about who  and what they are, but here some examples: Club owner (friend of MP), Dominatrix (friend and sexual partner in the past), male or female sub for the Dominatrix, two female friends of the FP, older brother of the MP, two sisters of the MP (they are triplets), younger brother of FP, older sister of FP, etc.
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                        And now the stuff that interessts you the most... the pervy stuff!
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                        I list the fetishes/tags/genres that might be in it (although it is way too much) and after this I describe a sexual scenes as some example. For Fetishes I can think of nearly everything, the only limits are at some of the more extreme stuff.
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                               BDSM (in general)
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                               24/7 relationship
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                               checklist
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                               femdom
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                               Bondage (+suspension bondage, waterbondage, bondage art, hair bondage, etc.)
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                               Humilation and anti-humilation
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                               anal (sex, torture, training, anilingus, etc.)
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                               age play
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                               animal play (pet play, pony girl, animal transformation fantasy)
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                               auction (maybe for a scene in the club)
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                               body worship
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                               bastinado and caning
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                               aftercare
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                               body modification
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                               brat
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                               breast bondage
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                               breath control, breath play
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                               breeding (-fantasy)
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                               whipping
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                               chastity
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                               contract
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                               costume/role play
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                               cuckquean
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                               Dacryphilia
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                               reward and punishment
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                               dungeon
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                               electric play
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                               erotic sexual denial
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                               exhibitionism
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                               face fucking
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                               fear play
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                               fire and ice
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                               forced orgasm
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                               hard limit
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                               (harem) (not sure, but there are some ideas)
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                               lactation
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                               mindfuck
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                               nipple torture
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                               nose hook
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                               objectification
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                               orgasm control or denial
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                               safeword
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                               pinwheel
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                               polyamory
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                               power exchange
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                               SSC
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                               scent play
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                               service
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                               torture (play)
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                               training
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                               wax play
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                               wooden horse
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                               sharing
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                               nettle-play
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                               sissification
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                               etc.
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                             Extremer fetishes:​
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                               abduction/kidnapping - in combination with rape-play
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                               bladder/bowel control
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                               (bestiality) (really not sure about this)
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                               urination
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                               scat/brown shower (active and passive)
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                               edge play
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                               golden shower
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                               knife play
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                               needle play
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                               toilet play
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                               etc.
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                        That was a really long list and of course just examples of what might be intersting in such a relationship. As you can see I didn't put incest there, not that I don't like it, but I thought it isn't needed, but maybe there will be an option to share the FP with the MPs sisters.
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                        I also thought about a feature that shows a list of what the FP likes and what are her hardlimits, softlimits, etc. That list is always accessible for the player. That way you can decide if you want to go further in some directions or not.
                        <br/>
                        <br/>
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                        So lets imagine that the relationship of both protagonists has grown quite much and they are already in a D/S realtionship, but they are still early in discovering what they both like.
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                        The FP got the order to clean the house in a maid uniform and to be always accessible for the MP. While cleaning something she is bend over and you can see her pussy, of course she was a good girl and didn't put on any panties.
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                        Now the MP has quite some possibilities, of course he can just fuck her without even asking her, because she had to be accessible for him. You can order her in some possitions or you could punish her because she doesn't work to your liking.
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                        There will nearly always be an option that will push the limit of what the FP likes at the moment. So for example you pour a glass of water on the floor and order her to clean the floor by licking it up. Then she can decide to do it without hesitation, begging to not do it, refusing to do it with consequences or saying her "slowword" or safeword.
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                        Thanks for reading my ideas, I hope you liked it
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                            Switching the MP to a sub and the FP to a dominatrix. My idea for this game was of course more centered aroung a male dom and a female sub, but the only reason for this is the fact that I like to be more dominant then submissiv.
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                            It could also work that the female is inexperienced as a domme and the male is experienced as a sub, respectively the male dom can be inexperienced and the female sub experienced. Nobody is born as the perfect dom or sub, so this could be the opportunity to show the development of inexperienced and insecure to confidence.
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                     Being able to build your own story with multiple choices is something pretty original, and I bet it can give that "
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                     Gretchen and Natalia both come to mind. What is her nationality?
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                     . Kimberly (Kimmy for short). Patricia (Pat/Patti/Patty). Ruby (though she needs more red for that). Valery. Ophelia.
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                        Gretchen and Natalia both come to mind. What is her nationality?
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                        Lillian. Allie. Danni. Sinthia (Cynthia but with 'sin' Cynthia could be her real name and Sinthia/Sinthea could be her 'work' name). Faith. Eve. Bianca. Blanch (some cougar names). Emily. Belladonna. Fran (Francine, Frances). Sally Mae. Willa/Willamina. Nancy. Nadine. Lacy
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                        . Kimberly (Kimmy for short). Patricia (Pat/Patti/Patty). Ruby (though she needs more red for that). Valery. Ophelia.
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                        ...Hahaha, Her name is 'May', she's my aunt.
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                        Woah a lot of names! I actually am thinking of a French name
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                     A couple of those are French I think, if you can wait, I will ask my French friend what he things tomorrow when I talk to him.
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                        I have to say that the OP is very intriguing especially about switching the POVs around and taking over the respective character in question. Lots of interesting ideas there--heck, I haven't even heard of what some of those fetishes are! ('Cause I'm a pure and innocent soul, not like you people, lol.) However, there's something on my mind. Please forgive me if this was already touched on before as I am
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                        A couple of those are French I think, if you can wait, I will ask my French friend what he things tomorrow when I talk to him.
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                        But here are a few more, all French, Dominique, Isabella, Margot, Monique, Michele/Michelle...
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                     Thanks man, I will think about them. I have some favorites for now, but still need to think about them. Names are really difficult for me
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                        I have to say that the OP is very intriguing especially about switching the POVs around and taking over the respective character in question. Lots of interesting ideas there--heck, I haven't even heard of what some of those fetishes are! ('Cause I'm a pure and innocent soul, not like you people, lol.) However, there's something on my mind. Please forgive me if this was already touched on before as I am
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                     Yeah the concerns are definitly here. I have to think about how I do this. I mean I like VN-style games. So I don't want to show stats. What I might show is a list with fetishes that states how much a character likes certein fetishes. I don't want any grinding or repeatable stuff in terms of grinding. I hope you get what I mean
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                        Yeah the concerns are definitly [sic] here. I have to think about how I do this.
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                     I just hope you don't take on more than you can reasonably handle, y'know? Developing a game and hopefully doing something you enjoy should at least be somewhat fun and not become a chore. It would suck to follow every single branching choice and continue to develop them and incorporate them somehow into your story. I'd imagine tracking it all would be
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                        I don't want any grinding or repeatable stuff in terms of grinding. I hope you get what I mean.
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                     I do. I understand completely. I also dislike unnecessary grind, and repeating actions ad nauseam. In my opinion, it's often used as a cheap trick to extend game play needlessly to gate content away from players. Whether or not your game comes to fruition, I just want to say thank-you for not employing such a gimmick.
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                         I think you're going to have to compromise somewhat with some minor, even hidden stats or flags in the game. However, this still does not represent any grind but rather as an offshoot of how choices matter. For example, each "encounter", or situation or event, can be self-contained and written up to conclusion no matter how it plays out. Then after the "episode" the results can be tallied via points. These points are then checked at the start of the next "episode" or "encounter" which then gets represented in text how the relationship has evolved among the participants (either opening for further experimentation or limiting certain choices in the future). It's a little different than following every branching path and choice since you're going by a tally. I'd like to draw a flowchart picture of what I mean, but let me try something else below as a quick example: (Hey, I got a
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                          Situation one --&gt; Scene plays out (with all the consequences of any choice taken) --&gt; This scenario has four different outcomes due to the "points": 1, 2, 3, 4. --&gt; Tallying the "points" (no grind needed), a player gets outcome 4.​
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                          At the next self-contained episode, the scene is initiated as above; however, soon after or at the moment where choices are first shown for this episode, the points are then taken into factor. --&gt; This episode has three different starting points (SP). If the player had outcomes of 1, 2, or 3 from above, then show and allow the player to go down from SP1 and SP2. If the player had outcome 4 from above, then display all paths and allow the player to take any action to play out this scene. --&gt; New points are then tallied given how the scene played out regardless of the possible outcomes in this episode. Each path and the choices within those paths may give the player different point values. Certain choices or taking a certain path may very well end up giving the same point value, and that's okay.​
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                          At the next episode, the scene checks the player's points (Pts) versus a given value range, X. The scenario here can start in five different ways (which offers freedom and enough choices that the player should not feel railroaded). --&gt; If Pts is less than X, then the value is considered "A". Likewise, if Pts is greater than X, then it's "B". If Pts is equal to X, then it's considered "C". --&gt; Thus, we have A, B, and C. --&gt; Now, in a similar fashion as above:​
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                          Now, perhaps at the next scenario it's a much simpler scene. It has only two SPs and which is shown depending on the Pts obtained. Also, regardless of how many choices are within it, the scene only has two outcomes. --&gt; SP1 and SP2, and has Outcome 1 and Outcome 2 regardless of which SP was used to start the scenario. --&gt; Scene plays out and the game keeps track of points earned from the choices. --&gt; Outcome 1 is produced if the points are at or above a certain value the game checks for; and, conversely, Outcome 2 is show if the value is less.​
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                          Now, I started in my mind with just tracking a single stat in a fairly simplified model, but this shows a couple different approaches how point values are checked and even allows how that stat can evolve along the way. A game like this will likely incorporate more such as a Dominant and a Submissive stat. That's fine--it isn't really that hard to expand upon the concept above, yes no? Hopefully it wasn't too convoluted and makes sense to folks.​
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                        I just hope you don't take on more than you can reasonably handle, y'know? Developing a game and hopefully doing something you enjoy should at least be somewhat fun and not become a chore. It would suck to follow every single branching choice and continue to develop them and incorporate them somehow into your story. I'd imagine tracking it all would be
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                        I do. I understand completely. I also dislike unnecessary grind, and repeating actions ad nauseam. In my opinion, it's often used as a cheap trick to extend game play needlessly to gate content away from players. Whether or not your game comes to fruition, I just want to say thank-you for not employing such a gimmick.
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                            I think you're going to have to compromise somewhat with some minor, even hidden stats or flags in the game. However, this still does not represent any grind but rather as an offshoot of how choices matter. For example, each "encounter", or situation or event, can be self-contained and written up to conclusion no matter how it plays out. Then after the "episode" the results can be tallied via points. These points are then checked at the start of the next "episode" or "encounter" which then gets represented in text how the relationship has evolved among the participants (either opening for further experimentation or limiting certain choices in the future). It's a little different than following every branching path and choice since you're going by a tally. I'd like to draw a flowchart picture of what I mean, but let me try something else below as a quick example: (Hey, I got a
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                             Situation one --&gt; Scene plays out (with all the consequences of any choice taken) --&gt; This scenario has four different outcomes due to the "points": 1, 2, 3, 4. --&gt; Tallying the "points" (no grind needed), a player gets outcome 4.​
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                             At the next self-contained episode, the scene is initiated as above; however, soon after or at the moment where choices are first shown for this episode, the points are then taken into factor. --&gt; This episode has three different starting points (SP). If the player had outcomes of 1, 2, or 3 from above, then show and allow the player to go down from SP1 and SP2. If the player had outcome 4 from above, then display all paths and allow the player to take any action to play out this scene. --&gt; New points are then tallied given how the scene played out regardless of the possible outcomes in this episode. Each path and the choices within those paths may give the player different point values. Certain choices or taking a certain path may very well end up giving the same point value, and that's okay.​
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                             At the next episode, the scene checks the player's points (Pts) versus a given value range, X. The scenario here can start in five different ways (which offers freedom and enough choices that the player should not feel railroaded). --&gt; If Pts is less than X, then the value is considered "A". Likewise, if Pts is greater than X, then it's "B". If Pts is equal to X, then it's considered "C". --&gt; Thus, we have A, B, and C. --&gt; Now, in a similar fashion as above:​
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                             Now, perhaps at the next scenario it's a much simpler scene. It has only two SPs and which is shown depending on the Pts obtained. Also, regardless of how many choices are within it, the scene only has two outcomes. --&gt; SP1 and SP2, and has Outcome 1 and Outcome 2 regardless of which SP was used to start the scenario. --&gt; Scene plays out and the game keeps track of points earned from the choices. --&gt; Outcome 1 is produced if the points are at or above a certain value the game checks for; and, conversely, Outcome 2 is show if the value is less.​
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                             Now, I started in my mind with just tracking a single stat in a fairly simplified model, but this shows a couple different approaches how point values are checked and even allows how that stat can evolve along the way. A game like this will likely incorporate more such as a Dominant and a Submissive stat. That's fine--it isn't really that hard to expand upon the concept above, yes no? Hopefully it wasn't too convoluted and makes sense to folks.​
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                     Wow! you really wrote a lot. I have to take my time to read this, so probably on Friday
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                        So Phil, do you have choose a french name ?
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                     Took me way to long to answer, sorry about that!
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                        I just hope you don't take on more than you can reasonably handle, y'know? Developing a game and hopefully doing something you enjoy should at least be somewhat fun and not become a chore. It would suck to follow every single branching choice and continue to develop them and incorporate them somehow into your story. I'd imagine tracking it all would be
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                     Well I don't have too much time, because of real life, so I take my and do it in my pace
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                     As I have no experience with coding and using an VN engine like Ren'Py, I first have to learn a lot. But I am positive that I can do it. I also like it simple for now. Not in terms of content, but in terms of gameplay. I am not sure, if I want to do a freeroaming game, it always feels like you can't play them without a walkthrough. I don't like it when people miss something without them knowing that they miss it.
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                     So I have to think how I want to handle this.
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                     I want to have one main stat in the game and that is "trust". Trust is really important in a BDSM relationship, so this will be the main stat for both characters. Then I am not sure, if I want something like a "lust" stat, that is faster changing and that influence the trust stat. Like a high lust stat can make a character do things that are extremer.
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                        I do. I understand completely. I also dislike unnecessary grind, and repeating actions ad nauseam. In my opinion, it's often used as a cheap trick to extend game play needlessly to gate content away from players. Whether or not your game comes to fruition, I just want to say thank-you for not employing such a gimmick.
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                     I agree, grind only makes a game longer. I mean when you have a stat like trust, it would be logical to increase it with grinding, but I would only do it, if each scene would be different. But of course that would be a lot more work.
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                        Spoiler: Player Points Idea  I think you're going to have to compromise somewhat with some minor, even hidden stats or flags in the game. However, this still does not represent any grind but rather as an offshoot of how choices matter. For example, each "encounter", or situation or event, can be self-contained and written up to conclusion no matter how it plays out. Then after the "episode" the results can be tallied via points. These points are then checked at the start of the next "episode" or "encounter" which then gets represented in text how the relationship has evolved among the participants (either opening for further experimentation or limiting certain choices in the future). It's a little different than following every branching path and choice since you're going by a tally. I'd like to draw a flowchart picture of what I mean, but let me try something else below as a quick example: (Hey, I got a
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                        Situation one --&gt; Scene plays out (with all the consequences of any choice taken) --&gt; This scenario has four different outcomes due to the "points": 1, 2, 3, 4. --&gt; Tallying the "points" (no grind needed), a player gets outcome 4.At the next self-contained episode, the scene is initiated as above; however, soon after or at the moment where choices are first shown for this episode, the points are then taken into factor. --&gt; This episode has three different starting points (SP). If the player had outcomes of 1, 2, or 3 from above, then show and allow the player to go down from SP1 and SP2. If the player had outcome 4 from above, then display all paths and allow the player to take any action to play out this scene. --&gt; New points are then tallied given how the scene played out regardless of the possible outcomes in this episode. Each path and the choices within those paths may give the player different point values. Certain choices or taking a certain path may very well end up giving the same point value, and that's okay.At the next episode, the scene checks the player's points (Pts) versus a given value range, X. The scenario here can start in five different ways (which offers freedom and enough choices that the player should not feel railroaded). --&gt; If Pts is less than X, then the value is considered "A". Likewise, if Pts is greater than X, then it's "B". If Pts is equal to X, then it's considered "C". --&gt; Thus, we have A, B, and C. --&gt; Now, in a similar fashion as above:
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                          if A, then show all SPs--1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
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                        Now, perhaps at the next scenario it's a much simpler scene. It has only two SPs and which is shown depending on the Pts obtained. Also, regardless of how many choices are within it, the scene only has two outcomes. --&gt; SP1 and SP2, and has Outcome 1 and Outcome 2 regardless of which SP was used to start the scenario. --&gt; Scene plays out and the game keeps track of points earned from the choices. --&gt; Outcome 1 is produced if the points are at or above a certain value the game checks for; and, conversely, Outcome 2 is show if the value is less.Now, I started in my mind with just tracking a single stat in a fairly simplified model, but this shows a couple different approaches how point values are checked and even allows how that stat can evolve along the way. A game like this will likely incorporate more such as a Dominant and a Submissive stat. That's fine--it isn't really that hard to expand upon the concept above, yes no? Hopefully it wasn't too convoluted and makes sense to folks.
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                     Ok, I have to admit, that is a lot! But I am grateful, that you took your time to write this. I don't understand everything, but still a lot. I have to search a good program to make something like a storyboard with a flowchart, where you can see the paths. Then I have to see if I can make your recommendation here visible, so I understand it a bit more.
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                     But as far as I understand it, it seems like a good way to do it.
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                        Well I have this, though this was when I forgot the make-up and forgot to change the eye color. But I will make a render of her without make up as fast as possible.
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                     Much better : ).
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                        Much better : ).
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                     Thanks, I actually think of making her without or with less make-up and maybe add make-up for some events
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                        I rather like the idea of a story based more on a dom/sub relationship. All too often sex and eroticism in these sort of games are an end to the story, a reward, rather than used to help propel it forward. If anything, I'd be highly interested to see a game take on what happens AFTER you've acquired your harem. How do you navigate the tangled web of relationships it causes? Do your actions cause jealousy or obsession? Do they fight among themselves and break into groups? Do some draw closer? Do some feel neglected and leave? Do you treat them equally or as a heiarchy? Are you cruel or kind? How do they, with their varying personalities and relantionships to you, all react differently to various events? Etc etc. It just seems like there's countless stories to be told beyond just the 'meet someone new and try to bang her in different positions' one.
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                     Right?! I am always wondering why there isn't a harem in the terms of a polygamy relationship. Altough I want to focus this game on the relationshop of two persons. But I am definitly planing to do some events in the BDSM Club, so there is the possibility for interactions with other characters.
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                        Making a good Game like that would be pretty hard since the point of having a submissive girl is that she trusts you 100% and does what you ask without questioning it.
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                     I know. That's why I am thinking of doing some smaller timejumps at some point to indicate that their bond got stronger.
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                     A good BDSM game would be nice actually.
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                     But i am surely going to keep an eye on this one... Her face and body are already a permanent picture in my head so
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                        Another character that I think about adding, but I am still not sure what to do with her, if she will be dominant, submissiv, a switch or more vanilla. Also not sure what part she would have in the story. I am still in the process of finding characters, creating them, but I actually like her, so yeah. And of course I don't have a name for her yet.
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                        A good BDSM game would be nice actually.
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                     I agree that there aren't really any BDSM focused games in a realistic way. And a lot of game only use small aspects of the BDSM setting. And sadly a lot of the stuff is achieved through som ekind of corruption, mind control or blackmail.
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                        I do have to say that i am rather curious about how you are going to implement the "customer" section in this game.
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                        I for one could not handle it if i have to see that beautiful girl being intimate with multiple other men.
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                        So a choice would be "good" maybe that the male character could make the choice for her to either put her in the rotation to have experiences with other men. Or that he keeps her for his own.
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                     Not 100% sure what you mean with customer section.
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                     I will try to make everything optional and I hope I can make it, that you can cancel any scene with a safeword.
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                     So things like sharing will be a thing, but i am not sure how big and to what extent.
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                        But i know nothing about this game and maybe you have written a good story/scenario in where it all makes sense
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                        But i am surely going to keep an eye on this one... Her face and body are already a permanent picture in my head so
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                     Well it will be a lot of work, but hopefully everything works out for me
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                     I actually like her a lot as well
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                        She certainly looks like a sub to me, though maybe her master let's her train other subs for him, making her a bit of a switch.
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                     Yeah I think she might be a candidate for the female protagonist.
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                     And it is up to both characters to decide this. I mean the MP will definitly be a bit of Switch.
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                        So here she is this time without make up . I really like it that way.
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                        I think the BDSM
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                     Right the scenes itself in Deviant Discoveries were actually quite good and realistic, but as you said the path wasn't.
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                     But yeah it is a bit of a bummer that there is the blackmail that leads to the domination relationship. At least you can change the relationship a bit later on.
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                        I vaguely remember intending to assemble some word here, but I'm afraid having looked at the picture above I forgot all about it... now excuse me - I'll be in my bunk.
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                     You can assemble every word you want here, I am happy for everything I get
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                        I love her.
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                     Well she certeinly is a cutie
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                     Ok I finally have my first prototype for a dominatrix character, that is a good friend of the male protagonist and that also is a member of the BDSM club. - The BDSM club, has a big member area and a big non member area -
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                     I have one version for her with and one without the fullbody tattoo. I definitly like the tattooed version better, but I kind of want to make a custom tattoo for her. But I still have to learn how
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                     For now I only have the tattooed version, because for whatever reason Daz Studio didn't save the other version. I have to redo her today...
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                        I think the tattoos "float" in a way that (in concert with an incredibly unrealistic intensity of color) makes them look a little odd
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                     Yeah I know, that is how the preset looks, I have to look if I can tone it down somehow. On the other side I want to give her a new custom made fullbody tattoo at some point.
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                     Actually they are in the same color, no clue why they are so dark! I have to figure this out as it bugs me as well.
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                        Also: that woman would have at least a clit piercing, if not a clitoral
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                     I knoooow
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                     I want them as well, but there are no presets for them, so I have to figure out, if can use others and just "move" them down there. I so need piercings down there. Also I really want to change the nipple piercings. But yeah sadly you can't find that many different ones.
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                     Like the makeup on the redhead model, it's just way,
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                     Seriously, forty-four or so piercings on her face alone? What? Wow... that's terrible. If anything, it's a strong indicator of some underlying psychosomatic issue perhaps low self-esteem combined with attention-seeking and self-injurious behaviors. Those are bad combos.
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                      I'm not just pulling that out of thin air, I have extensive, professional experience dealing with people with certain disabilities.
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                     Any potential Dom-seeking Subs would be well-advised to avoid someone like this candidate as establishing trust would be, uh, difficult at best.
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                     You don't need to appologize, I really apprechiate all the feedback that I can get
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                     I mean I have to totally agree with you
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                     I personally just love lots of piercings and sometimes tattoos on a female body. So I somehow went totally overboard. When I first created her, I had the whole "Suicide Girls" thing in mind.
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                     At first her piercings were all black and a lot less, but then I found the gemstone material and had a lot of fun adding it. And I personally have to say I really love how it looks, although it is way overboard
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                     And she is attention-seeking, but in a good way. She likes to be out of the "norm".
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                     I also know, that with her colored pubes,eyelashes, etc. she doesn't look like the typical dome, but I never intended her to be a professional dominatrix like you would imagine one. It is planed that she has an husband, who also is her sub. So yeah as her real tattoos I intend to use a lot darker ones with darker imagery, not sure what exactly.
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                     As her hair I wanted a more crazy haircolor, this is actually way toned down as I first intended. I also planned to color the pubes, and eyebrows like the hair color, but as you said, it doesn't fit totally well. And the eyelashes were just some fun, because I was glad that this actually worked
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                     Originally I tried to make her muscular, but sadly it didn't really fit her.
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                     - For the game I will change the tattoos to something moodier.
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                     - I will change the pubes, eyelashes and eyebrow color to something natural.
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                     - I will delete some of the piercings, but not as many an maybe change their color.
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                     And to your Edit, you can say what you like
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                     I don't mind.
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                     So thanks for your feedback
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                     I'm glad you're cool with what I said. I'm also gladden to hear that you "had a lot of fun" in creating the character. You got to have fun in what you're doing, right? Otherwise, why bother? *Grins*
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                     Uh, okay? Were you imagining that we, users, were talking the movie and game cliche one where they go about their day dressed in black leather and whip in hand? 'Cause yeah, I wasn't imagine that at all. (Was going to post some images but whatever.) Like other sexual preferences, most cannot be spotted by just looking into a crowd.
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                     Anyway, I'm glad you (G.Phil) still have a lot of interest and desire to go forward with a game. Again, especially since it's your first(?), well, at least it is in Ren'Py, I just hope you don't make a mountain out of it and make creating a
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                        I'm glad you're cool with what I said. I'm also gladden to hear that you "had a lot of fun" in creating the character. You got to have fun in what you're doing, right? Otherwise, why bother? *Grins*
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                     Exactly! The only thing that I wish is to have more time, but that isn't anything I can change, so I have to live with it
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                        Uh, okay? Were you imagining that we, users, were talking the movie and game cliche one where they go about their day dressed in black leather and whip in hand? 'Cause yeah, I wasn't imagine that at all. (Was going to post some images but whatever.) Like other sexual preferences, most cannot be spotted by just looking into a crowd.
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                     Well actually I like playing around with clichés and stereotypes
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                     I mean what do you see, when you think of a domme? Exactly what you described
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                     But of course I don't want to overuse the stereotypes. I want to change and mix them up in a good way. But I also want to make use of unusual other ways. But yeah the two protagonists will be more "normal" looking I think. What I want to use the BDSM club for is to place all sorts of characters there, that I was working on and that fit there. With some you can interact with some not.
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                        Anyway, I'm glad you (G.Phil) still have a lot of interest and desire to go forward with a game. Again, especially since it's your first(?), well, at least it is in Ren'Py, I just hope you don't make a mountain out of it and make creating a
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                     I know what you mean. I try to find a good pace for myself. My first goal is to create a small game, maybe just one scene or a small episode. Depending on if I can figure out Ren'Py it can be either a Kinect novel-episode or maybe it actually has small choices.
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                     Ok for the tattooed woman, I tried to tone the tattoos down a bit, so they look more real and I also tried using a new set of tattoos. Although I am still not 100% satisfied with it. After this I will tone down her pupes and the colors on her face.
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                        both are good, like the Japanese woman on the back a bit better though, but I admit, I am bias.
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                        99% of these games are incest and one of the times somebody come up with something different, they don't have enough time. lol
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                        Ok for the tattooed woman, I tried to tone the tattoos down a bit, so they look more real and I also tried using a new set of tattoos. Although I am still not 100% satisfied with it. After this I will tone down her pupes and the colors on her face.
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                     Would trim her Pubic Area a little bit though(Not remove it, me personally likes a good welcome sign).
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                        Have to say i like the third one the most..
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                        Her skin tone seems to be slightly darker.
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                        And that in contrast with the beautiful red cutie could make a amazing combination in my head.
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                        Would trim her Pubic Area a little bit though(Not remove it, me personally like a good welcome sign).
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                        But right now it seems to be a little bit to "bushy"
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                     Yeah I like the third version the most as well, although the second works pretty fine as well.
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                     The skin tone is the same in all three, I kind of messed the lightning up in the third, that's why it is darker.
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                     And about the pubes, I mean I might also change the color, it is a bit extreme with this, and I tone it down a bit, but all in all I want her to be a bit more "natural" down there.
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                        Yeah I like the third version the most as well, although the second works pretty fine as well.
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                     Side Character or not, she lookes very nice and kinky : ).
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                     As for the pubes, natural is all good.
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                     Don't get me wrong, i like a nice clean shaved on as much as the next guy.
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                     But a nice clean welcome mat is pretty amazing to.
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                     But right now it seems out of place with the rest of her body... Everything looks nice and clean and taken care of, yet downstairs looks like she doesn't give a fuck and just let's it go.
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                     So yeah, a little trim so it looks "cleaner" might do the trick... But i 100% agree with you that natural is the way to go .
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                     Dark and colored tattoo's are great, but would suggest that you pick tattoo's that add to her personality.
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                     Strong and bossy girl that likes to be dominant probably won't have colory flowers but more something more dominant and darker like (chains, dragons, cuffs, skulls or things like that).
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                        Side Character or not, she lookes very nice and kinky : ).
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                     I agree
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                        As for the pubes, natural is all good.
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                        Don't get me wrong, i like a nice clean shaved on as much as the next guy.
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                        But a nice clean welcome mat is pretty amazing to.
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                        But right now it seems out of place with the rest of her body... Everything looks nice and clean and taken care of, yet downstairs looks like she doesn't give a fuck and just let's it go.
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                        So yeah, a little trim so it looks "cleaner" might do the trick... But i 100% agree with you that natural is the way to go .
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                     Yeah she has to take a bit more care of herself
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                     She will shave a bit and change the color a bit down there
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                        Dark and colored tattoo's are great, but would suggest that you pick tattoo's that add to her personality.
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                        Strong and bossy girl that likes to be dominant probably won't have colory flowers but more something more dominant and darker like (chains, dragons, cuffs, skulls or things like that).
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                     I agree again, my biggest problem is that I still didn't find any good presets, so I might have to make them myself somehow.
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                        She will shave a bit and change the color a bit down there
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                        There is a lot of everything in those stores.
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                        They actually said a while back that they don't go to the store page anymore because with every new Store Update something new comes up that they could use in his game.
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                        And they once posted a image of all the bundles/objects/models the bought from the store, and i understood it at once.
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                        Mixing it up might be the way to go indeed, that way you also ensure that it's personal and all from you instead of risking the chance of it showing up in multiple other games..
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                     Exactly, I mean there is way too much stuff on the store, I could buy something everyday!
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