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                     Sounds more like a problem with the art than the text, to me. For instance, there's a segment where two of my characters go through a list of movies they really like, and comment on them together, showing you a little bit about the characters and their tastes. This is relevant since the characters are both in a film class, and its a convenient way to introduce you to their personalities. How do I do this scene with its 30+ lines of dialogue without it being boring? By giving you several renders of them speaking to one another as they take a shower.
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                        Sounds more like a problem with the art than the text, to me. For instance, there's a segment where two of my characters go through a list of movies they really like, and comment on them together, showing you a little bit about the characters and their tastes. This is relevant since the characters are both in a film class, and its a convenient way to introduce you to their personalities. How do I do this scene with its 30+ lines of dialogue without it being boring? By giving you several renders of them speaking to one another as they take a shower.
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                     There's nothing wrong with deep text. I just don't like irrelevant backstories and such front loaded on me. I like to discover bit by bit as the story unfolds. There's really no need to try and convince me that my preference is incorrect.  The thread question is simply asking us to describe our perfect game.
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                        There's nothing wrong with deep text. I just don't like irrelevant backstories and such front loaded on me. I like to discover bit by bit as the story unfolds. There's really no need to try and convince me that my preference is incorrect.  The thread question is simply asking us to describe our perfect game.
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                     I'm not the type to try and cast aspersions as to what fetishes make the best games. For instance, my favorite game right now is one that has my favorite fetish, Incest, but that's the least interesting aspect of it to me. Coceter Chronicles is great because of the character interactions and world building, not because of the fetishes. Meanwhile, my absolute number 1 fetish is sisters, and Coceter Chronicles might be the only one in my top 5 that has sister content. In fact, I can only think of 1 game that does a really good job of sisters, that's Sisterly Lust, and the thing is, it's a game that is fine, and could be a lot better. I honestly can't wait for Perverteer to finish it and start something new with all that he's learned.
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                     a lot of choices, like GGGB
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                     DMD and nor Melody
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                     2. a younger daughter/tenant (who is usually blond or a redhead) naive, puppy-like, quickly becomes devoted to the MC and is easier than a cheap hooker.
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                     The MC is male, has the charm and social skills of slime-mould, and is possessed of a "comedy-dick". MC has also been absent for several years for "reasons".
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                     What if you learned a water magic (boring right) and then an electric move, combining those skills to cast some blood magic. Maybe the enemies explode in a rain of blood and gore or you can control your own blood with this magic. A torrent of your blood being spit out of your mouth as a blade of doom. That's just one skill interaction, but would make it a whole lot more interesting, to see what's next right? What about earth magic and fire magic... that only gives you the ability to make pottery (to sell for a low price)? Oh what was that? You've gained a high level electric move, combining this with the previous combination allows you to control minerals, shape them, and give them the ability to harness electricity from the aether. Giving you an army of killer robots as a summons.
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                     No one can honestly answer your question, because we only have an idea of what we dislike in game and what we want to see more. But, more of what we like will not make the perfect game, it will just make a game we like more than the other.
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                     A perfect game is one that make you forget that you are playing a game, while letting you do what you want and build you own story. It's true for "regular" games as well as for adult game. And like I said above, the technology is far to be enough for this.
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                     Now, if what you want to know is, "what game satisfy you enough", well, it's another question, but the answer stay, almost the same. To satisfy me, you've to make a game that almost make me forget that I am playing a game, that make me feel like I do what I want, and that let me tweak the story in my mind to adapt it to my actual mood.
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                     And there's only one way to achieve this, having a strong, well written and well paced story. I do care about the CG and game mechanism but, as long as they aren't both totally shitty, if you provide me a story that goes directly to my mind, they'll be both good enough even if they are just average. I can be satisfied by a VN that let me (almost) no choice, as well as by a full "choice your own adventure" like game. I can be satisfied by a game drawn by the next Da Vinci, as well as by a game drawn by my cat. And at the opposite a game with beautiful CG can be a total no for me because the story is wrote by a 12 years old virgin or someone who still believe that girl's farts are rainbow smelling like unicorn.
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                     Once again, this just because there isn't difference between "regular" games and adult games. How many time have you been deceived by a game you played in your youth and decide to replay now ? The visual is not "real life looking" like in your memory, the game play is not "totally natural" like you remember it... You thought that because, at this time of your life, the story was so beautiful, that it enhanced everything else, making it perfect to your eyes.
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                     And, yes, it also apply to adult game. Provide a good and credible story, with characters that feel natural and you'll make a game that satisfy me.
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                     I'm going to agree with the people basically saying the porn version of Witcher 3 or something like it.  I spent a long time with Skyrim adding on different adult mods.  While it can be a lot of fun, there is always a bit of jank as the mods fight against each other and the vanilla systems in the game.  A simple example would be the mod that replaces vanilla prison with a prison where you are kept naked and fucked for entertainment.  There's a quest mod around the Sisterhood of Dibella which is basically like religious whoring at that point.  Another fun one is the mod that lets you use sex to resolve normal quests.  Say you are supposed to sneak into a place, well you could just sex up the guard instead.  There are plenty of others, but I won't list them all.  The best part of most mods is being able to set the parameters.  Maybe you don't want to be fucked over stealing a sweetroll, so you set the arrest threshold higher, things like that.
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