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                     I don't really mind it, but I feel like I'm one of the few people who opt out of downloading the incest patches. Also, whenever I have the opportunity to change the relationships of the "Landlord" and "Roommate", I always refuse. Do you guys ignore it, need it or absolutely avoid it and why?
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                     It's all about the story.
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                     Let's be honest, "Landlord" and "Roommate" doesn't make any sense at all.
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                     Obviously the relationship with any "Landlady" is completely different than the relationship that someone would have with his mother. Having a stepmother could make sense, but it's still a bit weak. The relationship that one has with one's real mother/sister/father/brother on the other hand, is something very powerful and the point of a good incest story is that both the MC and the love interest would struggle with coming to grips with their lustful feelings.
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                     I don't mind incest, it does nothing to me either way, I do however tend to avoid incest games, they are usually build to take things slow, vanilla and full of bad tropes, all things a Knight of Red avoids.
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                        It's all about the story.
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                        Let's be honest, "Landlord" and "Roommate" doesn't make any sense at all.
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                        And neither does "step"-whatever, usually.
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                        The point about incest is:
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                        Obviously the relationship with any "Landlady" is completely different than the relationship that someone would have with his mother. Having a stepmother could make sense, but it's still a bit weak. The relationship that one has with one's real mother/sister/father/brother on the other hand, is something very powerful and the point of a good incest story is that both the MC and the love interest would struggle with coming to grips with their lustful feelings.
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                     Huh. I never really saw incest as an actual plot point. I usually just tend to ignore it, as it's not really my thing, and then go for the other girls instead. I think you're on to something, though. I can see how incest would be a good way to add suspense to a story.
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                        I tend to avoid incest games, it doesn't do anything for me and my preference is lesbian which doesn't happen often in games with incest.
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                        The only time it bothers me is when incest fans go to the thread of a game without incest and then start saying dumb shit like "no incest no download". It's annoying because it's getting to the stage where we can't have a family in a game without people demanding incest or trying to turn it into an incest centric game.
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                     Yeah. That sounds really bad. I hate when people try to force their own wants onto others. H-games or otherwise. Also, would this make it harder for a game to exist where the MC can have a family without having feelings for any of its members? (besides their SO, of course)
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                        I don't mind incest, it does nothing to me either way, I do however tend to avoid incest games, they are usually build to take things slow, vanilla and full of bad tropes, all things a Knight of Red avoids.
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                        , there's no much else to do, those game were obviously built thinking of family members, thinking about how wrong it is to sex-up your
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                        is just stupid.
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                     I'm not asking for patches for
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                     . Actually, I was saying that I DON'T download them, so no need to worry about that. But I think one of the reasons why they build up slowly is because it may seem a bit weird for two family members to just fuck each other out of nowhere.
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                     I think you misunderstood me, I was just reinforcing that I was talking about patch-able games in the second paragraph (a harmless error). Anyhow, it is fair to take things slow in such cases, it just means that those games are not for me, I'm not interested in spending a year of being blueballed and told how wrong incest is but still hot.
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                        Huh. I never really saw incest as an actual plot point. I usually just tend to ignore it, as it's not really my thing, and then go for the other girls instead. I think you're on to something, though. I can see how incest would be a good way to add suspense to a story.
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                     Have a look at Our Fate (click on the picture in my sig). It's a really well written story about a normal guy who suddenly seems to have a daughter (or not, you can choose the relationship) who ends up living with him.
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                        Have a look at Our Fate (click on the picture in my sig). It's a really well written story about a normal guy who suddenly seems to have a daughter (or not, you can choose the relationship) who ends up living with him.
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                        says, there is no sex (with the daughter) yet, but the story is building up to a point where something could happen. Yes it is slow and maybe not for everybody. In my opinion however, this is how such a game should be, as this is likely how such a situation could play out in real life.
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                     I like having both options. I like incest games as much as I like non-incest. I like when things are optional in games to really allow for multiple audiences to enjoy (Coceter, for example, has a futa on/off switch and the incest is present but not a focal point and in some parts optional).
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                        I like having both options. I like incest games as much as I like non-incest. I like when things are optional in games to really allow for multiple audiences to enjoy (Coceter, for example, has a futa on/off switch and the incest is present but not a focal point and in some parts optional).
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                        Yeah. That sounds really bad. I hate when people try to force their own wants onto others. H-games or otherwise. Also, would this make it harder for a game to exist where the MC can have a family without having feelings for any of its members? (besides their SO, of course)
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                     It is difficult. I, myself, am writing an incest game, but the incest is solely focused on the brother and sister. The mother and her aunt who are also hot are not romantic options. I already have a lot of comments in my game's thread about from people who are interested in mom. I think the way I'll handle that is patreon rewards though. I'll make little one off elseworld stories with that content for people who want them enough to support.
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                     I really like what incest does to a game, though. It's the perfect taboo to create dramatic tension. A game needs an antagonist, but an antagonist doesn't have to be a person. It can be a concept. A great example of this in action is Dreaming of Dana, wherein you and your sister have to find a way to have a relationship but hide it from the public. The solution you guys come up with is finding a "beard" someone who knows the truth, and acts as your true relationship to hide the taboo one.
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                        In my opinion however, this is how such a game should be, as this is likely how such a situation could play out in real life. In most games, either the MC is a manipulative douchebag or the girls are complete sluts, or both. Unfortunately, because it kills the immersion for me.
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                     There's a way to do this without MC being a sex offender and without the women being depraved sluts. Just thinking about it for a few minutes now I came up with a perfect way to do a game with the same underlying concept of Our Fate, where the Father doesn't even know he has a daughter, might end up in an incest romance with her relatively quickly.
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                        I like having both options. I like incest games as much as I like non-incest. I like when things are optional in games to really allow for multiple audiences to enjoy (Coceter, for example, has a futa on/off switch and the incest is present but not a focal point and in some parts optional).
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                        The point about incest is:
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                        - The taboo in itself and the internal struggle that this brings
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                        - The fact that a relationship is already established but changes in it's nature
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                        I really like what incest does to a game, though. It's the perfect taboo to create dramatic tension.
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                     I agree that these are the key points. And not just for establishing a more dramatic plot with an authentic conflict, but also, for some of us, to tap into memories of our first sexual experiences.
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                     I wasn't raised in a strongly religious household--my parents were hippies, really. But I was given a strong sense of being overly gentlemanly to the point where I felt a sense of caution with girls. Like anything I did was "taking advantage" of them or something. So my first kiss, the first time I slid my hand under the shirt (oh god, I loved when you had to untuck it first...), the first time a girl jerked me off, all in my mid-teens, were accompanied with a "I shouldn't be doing this" kind of thing in the back of my mind. Not that it was "wrong" from a moral sense at all--just that I really thought that the next day the girl would be pissed off or would think I was some creep. It took awhile for me to realize that usually wasn't something I had to worry about
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                     . The first girl I had sex with was someone I had been friends with since grade school... Talk about "changing the nature" of an established relationship. Also, my parents were good friends with her parents, so there was a definite "what will happen if we get caught vibe?" going on. The two of us fought our sexual urges for one another for awhile because of the situation, and when lust finally overcame those concerns, fireworks! We even felt like we had to keep it secret for awhile for some silly reason.
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                     Incest stories/games tend to work the same way.
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                     I dunno. Some incest games just remind me of those first experiences. I wonder to what extent it's true for others, where a well-crafted incest story puts you back in a place where neither of you were sure, one or both of you were worried about the consequences to the point where you felt like you needed to resist or something.
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                     In real life, there are few reasons two consenting adults will feel any sense of reluctance, let alone taboo, about having sex. Sure, there's the thrill of realizing you're getting somewhere, but that's pretty vanilla. So teacher-student or boss-employee situations are also common to try to establish that dramatic tension.
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                         , the highest rated story on Literotica, except in exact reverse. In that story, a man gets a girl pregnant, with triplets no less (one boy, two girls), but the mother dies in childbirth and the man freaks out knowing he can't raise three kids on his own--he's too ambitious. So he gives them up for adoption and they each go their own ways. Of course, they bump into each other and find a chemical attraction they can't ignore (which apparently is a
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                        There's a way to do this without MC being a sex offender and without the women being depraved sluts. Just thinking about it for a few minutes now I came up with a perfect way to do a game with the same underlying concept of Our Fate, where the Father doesn't even know he has a daughter, might end up in an incest romance with her relatively quickly.
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                     Good story!
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                     Would be great to see that turned into a game some day.
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                        It is difficult. I, myself, am writing an incest game, but the incest is solely focused on the brother and sister. The mother and her aunt who are also hot are not romantic options. I already have a lot of comments in my game's thread about from people who are interested in mom. I think the way I'll handle that is patreon rewards though. I'll make little one off elseworld stories with that content for people who want them enough to support.
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                        I really like what incest does to a game, though. It's the perfect taboo to create dramatic tension. A game needs an antagonist, but an antagonist doesn't have to be a person. It can be a concept. A great example of this in action is Dreaming of Dana, wherein you and your sister have to find a way to have a relationship but hide it from the public. The solution you guys come up with is finding a "beard" someone who knows the truth, and acts as your true relationship to hide the taboo one.
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                        There's a way to do this without MC being a sex offender and without the women being depraved sluts. Just thinking about it for a few minutes now I came up with a perfect way to do a game with the same underlying concept of Our Fate, where the Father doesn't even know he has a daughter, might end up in an incest romance with her relatively quickly.
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                            You, a 14 or 15 year old at the time, had sex with a woman, be it a teacher or a milf in the neighborhood, but shortly after, move to a new city, or they move, or something, causing them to lose contact with you for good. But, they are pregnant. 18 years later, you're single and go out to a club with some friends to celebrate something. While you're there you meet a beautiful 18 year old girl, maybe she's in the club celebrating too, her birthday? The end of school? Something. You both dance and drink and climb the staircase in the natural way that sometimes happens when alcohol is involved, and it ends in a one night stand.
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                     , Loved that synopsis in the spoiler, Am currently trying 'The things we do for love' ,  so I'm curious, is that your next project, I wait with bated breath.
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                        Shit, my bad. I honestly didn't know. I searched the Off-Topic Discussions for incest before I made this thread. I'm pretty new to making threads, so I didn't really know how to look for it.
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                        , Loved that synopsis in the spoiler, Am currently trying 'The things we do for love' ,  so I'm curious, is that your next project, I wait with bated breath.
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                     I actually have two other projects planned out a lot better than that, which I came up with on the fly in response, but I wouldn't mind adding this as a possible future project.
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                     I'm a siscon first, so dad/daughter, while a fetish I enjoy, is something I'd have to take my time on. But yeah, after I've done those two games I could see myself tackling this new one. It's a really interesting concept. I'd also like to throw another Female protag in the mix in the future though, so who knows. It's all way down the line.
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                        In all fairness, the posts in that search largely havent been updated since 2017 and only a small handful were even this year.... Plus what else are we gonna talk about. Like if I have to see the words renpy or rule no7 one more time..... but what else would expect here?
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                        I actually have two other projects planned out a lot better than that, which I came up with on the fly in response, but I wouldn't mind adding this as a possible future project.
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                        I'm a siscon first, so dad/daughter, while a fetish I enjoy, is something I'd have to take my time on. But yeah, after I've done those two games I could see myself tackling this new one. It's a really interesting concept. I'd also like to throw another Female protag in the mix in the future though, so who knows. It's all way down the line.
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                        I don't think that Incest is very divisive here, simply because so many of the well known porn games that really kick started the genre or are good examples of the genre are incest games or have incest content. Just look at the popular games, many of which have incest as a core draw or feature (Dating my Daughter, Dreams of Desire, Superpowered, etc.)
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                        It's a word for someone with a Sister Complex, it means I really like sibling incest, specifically with sisters.
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                        I think when people are throwing it around in shitty ways like "no incest no download" then yes, divisive.
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                        I'd like to believe this forum is live-and-let-live. I'm still pretty new here myself so..... really not for me to say.
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                        NTR, Gay content, and rule 7 are the only things that ever really get a lot of hate. There are some people who are completely disgusted by incest, but they choose not to vocalize this, most of the time. When those few people who really hate it come out, they tend to start a flame war, but this is rare.
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                     Speaking as someone who used to hate incest and later learned to live with (but still not play incest games), it's more of quantity, as long as the player is not told every 4 lines how it's wrong and should not be thinking of his
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                        Do you think that most of the people who hate incest here have a certain line to it (e.g. Cousins are ok, but siblings/children are off the table) or do you think it's just across the board hate?
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                     I think a lot of people have a soft line when it comes to cousins. Psychologically speaking, regardless of society, we have a barrier that is supposed to keep us from forming romantic attachments to family, that barrier develops somewhere between the age of like, 5 and puberty, and affects anyone who you have as much contact with as family. This is why a childhood friend whose family is really close can feel just as taboo as a sibling. The same can happen for a cousin who's really close. However, if you aren't that close to your cousins, see them often, but not enough that they feel like a sibling, you're not likely to develop that psychological barrier to relations with them.
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                        I actually have two other projects planned out a lot better than that, which I came up with on the fly in response, but I wouldn't mind adding this as a possible future project.
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                        I'm a siscon first, so dad/daughter, while a fetish I enjoy, is something I'd have to take my time on. But yeah, after I've done those two games I could see myself tackling this new one. It's a really interesting concept. I'd also like to throw another Female protag in the mix in the future though, so who knows. It's all way down the line.
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                     It wasn't the 'dad/daughter' aspect that I liked but the whole concept, as it is a totally plausible (and I'm sure, has happened, in real life) scenario, personally I prefer the brother/sister style, so, breath no longer bated, but will definitely be watching for your future releases.
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                        I think a lot of people have a soft line when it comes to cousins. Psychologically speaking, regardless of society, we have a barrier that is supposed to keep us from forming romantic attachments to family, that barrier develops somewhere between the age of like, 5 and puberty, and affects anyone who you have as much contact with as family. This is why a childhood friend whose family is really close can feel just as taboo as a sibling. The same can happen for a cousin who's really close. However, if you aren't that close to your cousins, see them often, but not enough that they feel like a sibling, you're not likely to develop that psychological barrier to relations with them.
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                        So, that said, the thing that keeps people from being as comfortable with cousin related incest is more society. In some societies cousin related incest isn't really frowned on at all. In most 2nd cousins are legal. As well, science shows that the risk of developing issues between cousins isn't so bad, it's higher than some random person, but as long as it's not a common occurrence in your family, cousins should be fine. So I think when it comes to that, there are a lot more people who see cousins in shades of grey.
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                     That's a pretty interesting way to look at it. I guess context really is key for these kinds of situations. Do you then think that estranged siblings, perhaps separated at birth, might be less awkward than cousins who were practically raised together?
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                        Speaking as someone who used to hate incest and later learned to live with (but still not play incest games), it's more of quantity, as long as the player is not told every 4 lines how it's wrong and should not be thinking of his
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                     Your profile has Modder on it, which got me thinking. Do you think there's people who take games that have incest and just mod it out? That'd be something. An internet crusader whose sole objective on the site is to mod out incest. Landlords and roommates for days! LOL
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                        That's a pretty interesting way to look at it. I guess context really is key for these kinds of situations. Do you then think that estranged siblings, perhaps separated at birth, might be less awkward than cousins who were practically raised together?
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                     I can actually kinda say it for certain. My little sister was only about 6 when I moved out. She still cuddles up to me like its nothing, and she's 19 now. I'm sure societal blocks and the fact that I'm not exactly the best catch work to keep her form thinking too much about it, and I'd never broach the topic with her, but based on her taste in men, I can say that the idea isn't entirely out of the question for her, as I know it isn't for me. Again, that's not something I'll ever act on but it is my perspective on the situation.
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                        I can actually kinda say it for certain. My little sister was only about 6 when I moved out. She still cuddles up to me like its nothing, and she's 19 now. I'm sure societal blocks and the fact that I'm not exactly the best catch work to keep her form thinking too much about it, and I'd never broach the topic with her, but based on her taste in men, I can say that the idea isn't entirely out of the question for her, as I know it isn't for me. Again, that's not something I'll ever act on but it is my perspective on the situation.
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                     You are right but i believe to truly appreciate a story you have to be willing to dive into the world I have no problem playing as a female cause gender is not an issue to me but the content matters to me I understand you being tired of that i am sure you have heard it before  and I thank you for not resorting to insult immediately, but I want to be able to truly respect the artistry the time and the effort every story i read and every game I play if I cannot then it is a disservice to the creators of the game so I just pass. It is how I play every game from stuff like God of war to that one game on this site where you a noble woman in an orc camp. Its weird but its what I do.
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                     I don't mind incest in games at all but it isn't something I particularly need in my games. Theres already an abundance of incest themed porn. All I care about is some interesting mechanics, quality art, and animation. Besides I don't really care for the protagonist trying to sleep with his whole family like Insexual Awakening. It would be nice if there was an incest story where the  incest was secret between the brother and sister and it goes all the way to them becoming married in some foreign country where its ok and shows their life as an incest couple before ending but most times it just comes off as tacked on.
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                        . It would be nice if there was an incest story where the  incest was secret between the brother and sister and it goes all the way to them becoming married in some foreign country where its ok and shows their life as an incest couple before ending but most times it just comes off as tacked on.
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                     Dreaming of Dana, as well as my game, The Things We Do For Love (Shameless self plug) deal with this in their own way. In DoD the brother and sister are adults, but they work for their dad's company and have to hide, they do so by finding a beard to keep the relationship a secret. TTWDFL will have beard endings, as well as an ending where they run away together, an ending where they say fuck it and let people think what they want, and darker/sadder NTR endings. There are also My Sister My Roommate, and Freeloading Family that deal solely with siblings.
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                     Taboo is a big part of it, but I think shared history, similar personalities, and the like, which are all good starting points for any romantic relationship are also reasons that this stuff happens. Not a lot of people will share my background, growing up in a mormon family and having my parents get divorced because my mom falls in love with a woman only 7 years older than me and realizes she's probably a lot gayer than she is straight.
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                        I can also really understand why those companies have those type of rules in place, as it could be bad for their public image to support games that have things that are illegal or at least very frowned upon in many places in the world. A lot of people call it censorship in communities like ours, but it's not really, it's the free market at work. They aren't preventing you from including those things within your game, they just have no responsibility to host your content on their platform if you chose to include such themes/content. Though, that's really another conversation entirely.
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                        Actually, now I'm curious about something. Is incest a divisive topic on this website, or are we a live-and-let-live kind of group?
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                     For the "soft" kind of incest (where it is not the main or only plot driver), I suggest you try My Sister My Roommate.
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                        What you are complaining about isn't censorship, you can create what you want, and say what you want, you just aren't deserving of a platform or guaranteed a source of income for it.
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                     I think "deserving" is not the right word in this case.
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                     The problem with Patreon is, that they used to allow certain content (i.e. incest) and, for whatever reason that must make sense to them, changed their mind and are now no longer allow such content.
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                        I don't really mind it, but I feel like I'm one of the few people who opt out of downloading the incest patches. Also, whenever I have the opportunity to change the relationships of the "Landlord" and "Roommate", I always refuse. Do you guys ignore it, need it or absolutely avoid it and why?
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                     The patches that are created, is because Patron and other crowdfunding sites are trying to treat adult games as if they shouldn't exist. And Taboo content is always going to draw attention and a communist approach from those funding sites. Is it important to have a patch for 'targeted' Taboo games? That depends on the person playing, if the Devs vision was to intentionally create the game and keep it that way and you want to stick with the Dev then Yes.
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                     I would agree that story line should be about the relationship or how the involved parties feel about whats going on, it should'nt be like a cheap porn magazine article where you all the sudden fuck like wild rabbits. "Catch sis in shower hop in shower (sis see your cock goes crazy) and bam bam thank you mam!"
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                     Incest in game? I love it!
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                     This is my very reason why I play porn games xD
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                     But! I don't like those Douche Bag Son that wants to fuck their sisters, Aunt, Mom, Cousins Etc. just because they're Hot or bangable or something!
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                     I don't like protagonist that "Oh my mom is sexy, I need to find a way to bang her". that kind of story is kind of ridiculous
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                     I can understand if the MC lost contact with his family for a long time or MC lost his memory but if not then it should have some kind of build up corruption not only to the target Family member but also the MC itself.
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                     You know i tried fapping imagining my mom to know if i am still Sane, and my mom is working in another country for so long now. what's the result? it disgust me! so I don't get why douche bag MC have those kind of sexual urges.
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                     I also don't like mind control and drugs with it. it's like Rape they aren't consensual to do kinky stop on you.
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                     if both party would commit incest they would do it with all their heart! No drugs, No mind-control, No blackmail.
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                        While I don't have incest as a fetish in real life, it is a BIG fetish for me in games and porn.
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                     Isn't that a gaming thing in general? I mean, a lot of people play FPS all the time, but I bet most of them (myself included) want to go to war. You don't have to have a thing for incest IRL to like incest in your games. That's just common sense.
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                        Isn't that a gaming thing in general? I mean, a lot of people play FPS all the time, but I bet most of them (myself included) want to go to war. You don't have to have a thing for incest IRL to like incest in your games. That's just common sense.
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                     Yea, but sometimes, in terms of sexual things, the fetishes could be both in real life and in "virtual life"
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                        Yea, but sometimes, in terms of sexual things, the fetishes could be both in real life and in "virtual life"
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                        Isn't that a gaming thing in general? I mean, a lot of people play FPS all the time, but I bet most of them (myself included) want to go to war. You don't have to have a thing for incest IRL to like incest in your games. That's just common sense.
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                     For me, games are a way to experience a situation which you think is (or could be) hot or exciting, but is still something you don't necessarily like to experience IRL. Example of this could be a more "extreme" porn game, like incest or NTR. But also a FPS.
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                        For me, games are a way to experience a situation which you think is (or could be) hot or exciting, but is still something you don't necessarily like to experience IRL. Example of this could be a more "extreme" porn game, like incest or NTR. But also a FPS.
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                        I love it because there is a barrier between two actors and it makes the romance advance more slowly. In lots of Non-Incest Games you get your Cock sucked within the first 10 Minutes and thats kinda boring.
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                        I love it because there is a barrier between two actors and it makes the romance advance more slowly. In lots of Non-Incest Games you get your Cock sucked within the first 10 Minutes and thats kinda boring.
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                     I just thought of something just now. Reading both of you guys posts, I think I can see a potential aspect of incest of that may help explain the appeal of incest (or at least, a variant of it). Take the example that Thialf just provided, Life with Mary. Now, he mentions that it "has the older guy / younger girl theme". I think that maybe attraction to older people (not old people, although if that's your PB&amp;J, then by all means) stems from a desire of stability. I feel as if younger people represent chaos, and older people represent that stability from it. So what's the most reliable source of stability? Why not your parents? They're always there for you when life hits you hard. If there's someone whose ride or die, surely it's your own mom and dad. So maybe people are just attracted to that safe feeling they get around their parents.
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                     That is an interesting point of view on it. I guess many people look for older gfs and bfs because of the same thing - stability. A girl that haven't had a father figure, or had one and lost him early on, will usually look for older men that will bring stability in their relationship and will take care of her, and I'm sure there are guys looking at older women to bring stability and perhaps take care of them as well, like their mother would. I guess alot of time, grown up people are trying to find something they didn't have, or miss from their childhood, in a relationship.
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                     I think - just my humble opinion of it too - that incest means different things to different people in same relationship. Incest is all about power play in many ways - initiator does it usually for the lust and is the provider, and the other person usually for the emotional bonding it can bring, and looking for stability and being taken care of. This is so appearant in parent-&gt;their grown up kid incest, where the role of a provider is very clearly the parent one. It's a bit more blurry between siblings, but usually one is more experienced and is the usual initiator and provider.
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                        I think - just my humble opinion of it too - that incest means different things to different people in same relationship. Incest is all about power play in many ways - initiator does it usually for the lust and is the provider, and the other person usually for the emotional bonding it can bring, and looking for stability and being taken care of. This is so appearant in parent-&gt;their grown up kid incest, where the role of a provider is very clearly the parent one. It's a bit more blurry between siblings, but usually one is more experienced and is the usual initiator and provider.
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                     I don't hate incest, but I am getting rather tired of it. As many have pointed out, most writers and dev's for incest stories and games basically revolves around "How can I bang my *insert family member*?" And than follows a very generic and obvious path that is generally very predictable and boring after it's done for the millionth time.
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                        Personally, I just can't with incest. For whatever reason I just can't wrap my mind around wanting to blow out a family member, and I can't get around thinking of the main character as a creep for even looking at relatives in that way. And I like some
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                     Here's something (funny and mind blowing to think about) if your religious then according to the bible we are having one large incest orgy. Seeing how were created by one entity. Personally I find religion to be utter bullshit, same a patriotism utter bullshit. But still fun to mess with people who have a problem with the incest topic, if god created Adam &amp; Eve then there had to be incest going on for centuries to create enough humans to populate the world. And since we are descendants of the Adam &amp; Eve story then we are still doing incest with each other. And funny I should mention this on Easter!
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                        Here's something (funny and mind blowing to think about) if your religious then according to the bible we are having one large incest orgy. Seeing how were created by one entity. Personally I find religion to be utter bullshit, same a patriotism utter bullshit. But still fun to mess with people who have a problem with the incest topic, if god created Adam &amp; Eve then there had to be incest going on for centuries to create enough humans to populate the world. And since we are descendants of the Adam &amp; Eve story then we are still doing incest with each other. And funny I should mention this on Easter!
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                     Incest isn't my thing but I do play a couple of games that have incest in them because I like a couple of characters in those games. If there is an incest patch I won't use it. Family fucking has never wet my panties.
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                     I play games more for romance and family romance just never sits right with me. Regardless of anything regarding the law there is that social stigma that comes with it so you could never be a normal couple so it seems pointless.
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                     The only game i've seen that did it so it could be believable was Dreaming of Dana when they got a third person involved to play the guys girlfriend so no one would question what was going on. Sadly even though the dev explained all that and said he never wanted to do a Dana only ending because it made no sense people still demanded it. Then they complained because it was a weak ending even thought they knew Ptolemy only added it to shut them up.
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                     Twists of my Life was a game I got right into and loved Ann but people constantly demanded the dev made her the MC's sister. No matter how many times he said no they kept at it. He never did which was great, I love devs that stick by their story, but when you're told no several times give it a damn rest.
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                     My Sister My Roommate is another causing a few issues. The dev has said from day one up until now that the sister will never be a love interest, they are only experimenting. He's said time and again he has the story laid out and that's not the story he wants to tell yet people constantly push him trying to force him to change his story to suit them.
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                     I'm learning how to make games. Not going the patreon route, I work full time and love my job, I have no plans on ever leaving it so no point asking for money I don't need for a hobby i'll only update once in a blue moon. The characters are going to be based on my and my twin sister. I can see people demanding incest but it's never going to happen. We've never tongued wach others pussies in real life and we're certainly not going to be doing it in pixel form either, that's just fucking weird.
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                        It would be great if people would just let the devs tell the stories they wanted to tell without demanding things be changed to suit them. Fortunately a lot of devs stick by their guns like Novel and Sumo from the 2 games above because we've all seen the cluster fucks that happen when devs listen to their players and turn games into abominations. When players get their way it stops being the game the dev wants to make and that's when they lose interest and shit gets abandoned.
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                     I can't speak for other devs but when I started out I felt like I had to put incest in there or I wouldn't get noticed or that no one would care. I'd like to think I have enough of a handle on things now to not worry about what people want and just do what I want. Next game will not have incest, there will be a step sister and step mom but they won't be the focus and I won't be doing an incest patch (others are free to do so if they want).
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                     I think any substantial story or fetish element in a game should be solidly established in that game early if you want to implement it effectively.  The family relationship should be established clearly well before the MC starts peeping, sleep groping and scheming to dive deep into Forbidden Vaginaland.  If there's a foot fetish, spend time with lingering shots of beautiful feet, hot stylish heels, whatever gets the fetishist hot and bothered. Talk about how beautiful X's feet are, etc.  I think some devs feel pressure to give some sexual content from the jump, when they might be better served just setting up the game universe and family background from the jump.  When introducing characters, try to bring them in substantively at least a  couple times before they start getting naked.
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                     Incest is kind of a combo fantasy--it's the forbidden fruit fantasy, it's also (usually) an adolescent male power fantasy--you are subverting the family structure and becoming the alpha male in the household/family.  That dualistic nature of the fantasy gives a dev the opportunity to showcase the different aspects--the covert overtures, the stolen glances, the subtle maneuvering, the real objections and the objections-for-show-only; then the stepping up to help out around the house, solving everyone's problems like a surrogate father/authority figure, finally taking charge as Mom and sisters defer to your new authority/trust your guidance.
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                     Honestly I'm shocked there hasn't been a full-blown "family reunion turns into orgy/reverse gang bang" game yet.  "Over the top" is a perfectly valid marketing strategy for a game theme.  "Those other games, you only fuck 1 mom.  Here, your dad remarried twice, you were adopted, and your adoptive mother remarried a woman.  Plus you go to a strict religious school run by a hot Reverend Mother and Mother Superior.  Fuck your seven(7) moms and knock 'em all up!"
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