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                     So, to start, I'm looking for female submission. Male or female protag are fine with me. However, specific. First off, I'm not looking for incel fever dreams. I want something at least somewhat well written. The game doesn't have to be pure Dom/sub, but I do want at least one fleshed out route including it, or a love/dom routed VN.
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                       no rape - I don't really like forcing women into things from the male perspective. This line can get blurry with submission as a fetish, but if it's clear that the only way I can get this woman is to rape her, I'm not interested.
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                       light bdsm only - I don't mind pet-play, I don't mind Rope-play, I'm even fine with a little sadism with a willing masochist, but I have a hard line at the point where it starts to involve blood, forced piercings, actual harm etc. I generally didn't mind the BDSM in Harem Hotel, but it certainly tested my boundaries.
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                       bodily functions - Light watersports is fine, not exactly my thing, but I get it. Poop and vomit however are a fuck no.
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                       Corruption? - So, to me, you can't corrupt the unwilling. A person has to commit to something to be corrupted. So while a girl might start timid, she's a willing participant as you turn her into a submissive slut. That isn't to say that she can't be Tsundere, a girl who wants it, but has a hard time expressing that she does. But this is usually obvious to the observer.
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                       Humiliation - yes please but not necessary
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                       Exhibitionism - I mean, it's kinda a part of humiliation usually, but also yes please.
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                       Blackmail/coercion - almost always bad. If it isn't written well I'm not interested. In fact, I'll give an example, the Veronica Route from Man of the House fucking sucks. However, if someone can bring me an example of a well written character who similarly gets off on the fact that she's being blackmailed I'd consider it, but don't bring me weak shit.
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                       Mind Control is ok, if well written.
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                     Examples of this done well: Dreaming of Dana, Dreams of Desire, Harem Hotel, Waifu Academy(though this pushes my rape rules a little too far a little too often), Mythic Manor.
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                     Examples of this done poorly: Big brother, Man of the House, Milfy City (fucking hate the teacher line), Absolute Power (still the worst game I've ever played).
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                     Examples of this done well: Coceter Chronicles (agency is great), California Bound (Actually an ok coercion story), (kinda) Chloe18 (again, only kinda), Good Girl Gone Bad (mostly).
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                     Examples of this done poorly: Elena's life, Anna's Exciting Affection (really sad, because it has the head injury to do the same thing as my mind control idea), Katie's Corruption
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                     Man of the House
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                     Big Brother
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                     Dreams of Desire
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                     Timestamps
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                     Harem Hotel
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                     Mythic Manor
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                     Long Live the Princess
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                     Chloe18
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                     Good Girl Gone Bad
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                     Elena's Life
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                     Anna's Exciting Affection
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                     Katie's Corruption
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                        Project SAGE.... There's a superhot open minded tomboy with a sound mind and self esteem but a...very healthy...sexual appetite. The game is abour her embracing her inner nympho. Her corruption is awesome. But some assholes will misbehave with her and brand her a slut. She could submit and play along, enjoy being coerced to lewd, rapey situations or just own them. She is in a lecertown, but no retard. The first game was a bit crazy, so he decided to remake it. There's player agency and a lot of exhibitionism, with blackmail, spanking and stuff. But no hard bdsm, watersports, pregnancy or mind control etc. Mind control sucks, i like to think about the chars psyche when they are in lewd situations. No biological incest, but they love the fact that they love calling one another bro/sis. There was a big scene in the latest update with i think should tick all your points.
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                        About the old 0.17a version..... Its presently not here cuz of some misunderstanding, I have asked them to include it. There is not much agency and the choices were broken.  But there is no other game with more exhibitionism. Some scenes had a tinge or humiliation and moasochism. I preferred the playful ones.
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                        Male MCs.... Some male dom in DA.... Like the bottle fucking netori scene later in the game.
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                     Pale Pure... I played through what was available on the side of the town princess girl, but not the other half (I literally only played it for the futa) Is the other half good?
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                        try kingdom of deception. Its a 2dcg game, but the art is among the best in that category. Even when going full submission, the char is competent and pretty badass when it calls for it. She is willing to be submissive in sexual situations, but is also using her sexuality to further her goals.
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                     That's actually why I didn't include this. Her submission is convenient rather than natural. I enjoy the game, simply don't see Sabine as a sub.
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                        Lately i've been playing Corruption, it does have incest (sister, mother, aunt, cousins) but you can corrupt others, turn them into your slaves, exhibitionism, NTR (MC being the one who gets the woman) and etcetera. I think it fits in your description.
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                     Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm actually avoiding that one on purpose, the models he made in whatever version of honey select he's using are too far in the uncanny valley for me. If I get desperate I might give it a try, but meh.
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