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                     Since Patreon's guidelines may change and prohibit (directly or indirectly) adult content in the future, I believe it is necessary to resort to other forms of monetization right away.
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                     In this guide, I will demonstrate how to monetize your games using
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                      AnonymousAds
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                     banners.
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                     AnonymousAds does not have any restrictions regarding adult content and accepts any type of website or app. Payments are made with Bitcoin and you are not required to create an account.
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                     On most engines, all you need to do is insert the banner code into the "index.html" file. The place where the code should be inserted will depend on the structure of your game. You can display the banner during the entire game or only in specific parts such as main menu, loading screen etc.
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                     After clicking the link above, select the "app" type, select the banner size, enter a description, deselect all the filters, select how you want to receive the payment, solve the captcha and click on "Create ad unit".
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                        Alright... I'll be that guy.
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                     I think most people do not like ads because they are accustomed to websites and apps that make misuse of them.
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                     It's great and all, even if 18 years wandering internet let me with some doubts about your assertion. But it change nothing to the fact that I hate being forced, and that this is the reason why I'll not play such games.
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                     Put a "help author by seeing some ads during your play" button, and I'll probably press it time to time if the game really worth it. But force me to have them, and you lost me. That's as simple as that.
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                     One of the few space where we are still free from this, is when we play (except on your phone, sigh !). This especially when it come to adult games, that we tend to play alone or with our loved one. It's a time for us, and for us only ; a place where we are supposed to escape all this crap. So, don't try to bring it in this space, you'll not succeed ; at least not with me.
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                     It's not unsuitable, because it's detected by antivirus/firewalls. It's unsuitable, because it shows the people what an ass you are. If a game used this, I'd immediately delete it and never touch it again.
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                        It's great and all, even if 18 years wandering internet let me with some doubts about your assertion. But it change nothing to the fact that I hate being forced, and that this is the reason why I'll not play such games.
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                        Put a "help author by seeing some ads during your play" button, and I'll probably press it time to time if the game really worth it. But force me to have them, and you lost me. That's as simple as that.
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                        What you seem to not understand is the reason of my reaction ; a reason I'm sure to share with many people.
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                        Every single instant of our public/social time, we are a product. To use the "Invasion Los Angeles" reference, since it became so fashionable lately that they even sell clothes about it (ironic isn't it), we are always bombed by subliminal messages ordering us to "CONSUME". Worse, more and more we've let this invade our private times.
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                        One of the few space where we are still free from this, is when we play (except on your phone, sigh !). This especially when it come to adult games, that we tend to play alone or with our loved one. It's a time for us, and for us only ; a place where we are supposed to escape all this crap. So, don't try to bring it in this space, you'll not succeed ; at least not with me.
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                     I really do not understand in what way a banner displayed only on the main menu, for example, would disrupt your experience with any game. I'm not talking about video ads, for example, appearing on your screen all the time (as in mobile games), but a static element that would not be displayed all the time.
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                     Depending on the project, a developer can spend weeks (or even months) working on the game. It should be perfectly acceptable for him to monetize the game with ads in case he makes the game available for free, regardless of whether you like the game or not. There is no free lunch.
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                        Like misusing them for Coinmining?
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                        It's not unsuitable, because it's detected by antivirus/firewalls. It's unsuitable, because it shows the people what an ass you are. If a game used this, I'd immediately delete it and never touch it again.
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                     Advertisement banners and miners are in different categories and the misuse of them is completely different. Inserting twenty banners on a page is different from using 99% of the user's cpu to mine Monero without his knowledge (even though both cases are unacceptable).
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                     Don't get me wrong. I never said you would coin the people. But it's clearly something that crossed your mind. (Even if only thanks to anne mentioning it).
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                        Don't get me wrong. I never said you would coin the people. But it's clearly something that crossed your mind. (Even if only thanks to anne mentioning it).
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                        Now, in the hypothetical case that you use a coinminer and disclaim that your game mines for coins clearly (Like in big fat and red letters in the first page of your game.). Do you think that anyone would want to play this game, despite of that being the case?
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                     Many Bitcoin faucets currently offer to use this type of miner in exchange for greater rewards for their users. This same concept could be applied in a game, for example, I could make available several additional contents, such as special events within the game if the user agrees to the mining. Even if he refuses, the user would still have access to the "base game".
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                        I really do not understand in what way a banner displayed only on the main menu, for example, would disrupt your experience with any game.
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                        I do not want to sound rude, but the only thing I can understand from your "arguments" is that you hate ads absolutely, regardless of the scenario covered, but like to consume content for free. It is impossible for me to agree to this kind of posture.
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                     Be assured that you don't sound rude. Perhaps a little stupid and hypocritical, but not rude. This said, I'm curious to know how you came from my, "I hate not having choice", to your, "you hate ads". It's a bit of shortcut, isn't it ?
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                        Be assured that you don't sound rude. Perhaps a little stupid and hypocritical, but not rude. This said, I'm curious to know how you came from my, "I hate not having choice", to your, "you hate ads". It's a bit of shortcut, isn't it ?
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                     If a person openly admits that he would reject a good game, which has no intrusive ads, just because of a banner, I can only come to the obvious conclusion that it hates ads.
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                     If the user is not being scammed and is receiving some kind of reward for donating the use of their cpu, I do not really see any problem in using miners (except the problem with antivirus etc).
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                     , it seems to me that you are trying to apply mobile gaming logic to PC games and are surprised that people are not willing to accept it - well you are missing the obvious problem here: demographics. On the mobile market you have 5-20 years old that want to play the games for free and don't care for the rest while in the adult market you have 15-80+ year old players that mostly know what they want and ADs are not on the list ...
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                        , it seems to me that you are trying to apply mobile gaming logic to PC games and are surprised that people are not willing to accept it - well you are missing the obvious problem here: demographics. On the mobile market you have 5-20 years old that want to play the games for free and don't care for the rest while in the adult market you have 15-80+ year old players that mostly know what they want and ADs are not on the list ...
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                     Uninstall, not just block access. The moment it asks to connect for the purpose of producing the add the person will simply delete the game.
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                        Uninstall, not just block access. The moment it asks to connect for the purpose of producing the add the person will simply delete the game.
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                     Before the user downloads the game, he will be informed that the game has an ad banner and that it can be avoided in the ways I mentioned before. Many people will reject the game anyway, but no one will be taken by surprise.
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                     This is a good example, really. Compare the 5 minutes ads break every 5 minutes of the show in the US, to the (more or less) 5 minutes ads break every hour, in the rest of the world. When given the power to run ads without constraint, people will soon over use, then abuse, of it.
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                        I have never been in a position to buy a jet, or had a relationship with an oil company, and yet all the news networks have Ads from Boeing, BP, Shell, etc etc. And of course, I live in a country where drug companies are allowed to advertise, so those make up the majority of the other ads on those channels.
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                     Seriously ? You've ads for Boeing ? For BP or Shell, I can understand... well at least if it's for their gas stations, but Boeing, really ?
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                     It's an interesting point, really, and I understand it. This said, I don't know if it can effectively be translated to online and online-like content.
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                     It's what I fear the most with online ads ; more that your own point above. Online ads agencies care way less about the content they play and can be easily tricked, this while yourself have really few power over the ads that will be displayed through your game. And I have an example to give that is way more explicit that the one you choose : During two days, while playing a game on my daughter smartphone, I saw an ads for ISIS !
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                     There's your example, there's the many flash ads spreading viruses, and there's this fucking recruiting ads for ISIS ! All this can be the ads that will be shown in the game... And like I'm pretty sure that the majority of the players don't know that the author have no say on the ads that will be displayed, the price to monetize your game will be that you'll loose all support. Because yes, it will happen. OP state that author should use ads agencies using cryptocurrencies... and, well, they obviously are far to be the most reliable ads agencies you can find.
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                        (...) there's the
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                        ! All this can be the ads that will be shown in the game... And like I'm pretty sure that the majority of the players don't know that the author have no say on the ads that will be displayed,
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                     Any ad needs to be approved first before being displayed on any banner in their network. I have been using their service for several years on various websites and have never encountered an advertisement from ISIS or with malware. As I explained in an earlier post, the publisher has full control over the ads that are displayed on the banners. Even if a controversial advertisement goes through moderation, the publisher may reject it at any time.
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                     So far, no game in this forum has built-in ads and this does not stop most people from choosing to download pirated versions instead of supporting the developer, even when it comes to a high-quality game. The alleged loss of support already occurs regardless of whether or not ads are used.
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                     Sooner or later, adult content creators will be unable to receive any money related to such content by conventional means. Even
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                     That's not what I expect when I click on "about us". What I want is transparency. At least a "we are located in [town] in [country] and you can reach us by writing at [postal address]". So, like I am curious and they ask me to believe them, I did a whois...
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                        If that ever happens I would rather have it crash and burn or leave it as a free hobbyist endeavor. Until then, Patreon is a pretty safe way to get the funding as long as you stick to the rules and Steam is probably going to be a viable option to the 1% creators that actually finish projects.
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                     Developing a game is a very time-consuming process, especially if the developer uses renders in high resolution. Hardly anyone would be interested in having such a hobby without having any financial return.
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                        That's not what I expect when I click on "about us". What I want is transparency. At least a "we are located in [town] in [country] and you can reach us by writing at [postal address]". So, like I am curious and they ask me to believe them, I did a whois...
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                        I fully understand that F95 used an anonymization for the forum, we don't always do legal things here. I also fully understand that an average guy do the same for his personal site, he don't want to expose himself too much.
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                        But here we are talking about a company ! There's absolutely no harm nor risk to register the domain in the name of the company, and with the address and phone number of the company. So, sorry, but there's just no way that I'll trust a company that don't even want us to know in where country they are located, or what is the name of the company.
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                     Advertisers deciding they don't want their product advertised on offensive materials is already the problem with advertising elsewhere which pushed us to use platforms like patreon in the first place.
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                        America's free speech protections being as broad as they are is actually working in our favor when it comes to hosting adult content. A British company, for instance, would really be bad for us.
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                     As an incest game dev with a project on Patreon I have no problem keeping up with them. It is simple to write my game around their arbitrary regulations and mod in the incest later. I even manage to keep most of the taboo in the unpatched version. All it really takes is being a competent writer. And to be completely honest, I could just as easily take out all the adult content, release an SFW version on Patreon, and patch the adult content back in. Ren'Py is that versatile.
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                     And what ? There's no legal issues in the fact to use cryptocurrency, nor in the fact to run an online ads agency. So, there's also no reason to hide yourself.
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                     They have a guy who talk on a forum ? Wow, sure, now I'll trust them... /s
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                     Anyway, I did some research by myself. In all English sites I found, they are praised... But once you quit English an search on other language, it's another story. On notation sites they don't always made it to the average score. Which just add to the suspicion, making it looks like the English comments aren't all this legit.
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                     Do you really know what "reliable" mean ? Paypal or Patreon acted arbitrarily over you ? Well, you know who they are, just ask the justice to force them to respect your rights...
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                        I don't think so. In, more or less, two weeks, they goes from, "starting now we will ban "this" kind of content", to, "alright, we heard you, starting the next month, we will ban absolutely nothing, just keeping our right to exclude trolls". And you don't go as far as removing all kind of bans just because a bunch of people have complained. No, you do it because you mean it and also because you've took a look are your financial book. They are big and strong enough to be the one that make the rules ; this unlike Patreon who regularly need to raise funds.
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                     It is very naive to think that Valve will really continue to allow adult games in case of controversies (which could cause millionaire losses with lawsuits).
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                        And what ? There's no legal issues in the fact to use cryptocurrency, nor in the fact to run an online ads agency. So, there's also no reason to hide yourself.
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                        In the youth of the network, I was hacktivist, giving a hand here and there. So I know both why you sometimes need to be a shadow, when it's ridiculous to be it, and that being a shadow doesn't mean that you can't be found nor prove it's you.
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                        I don't care if they did it to reassure their customers, to avoid paying taxes on their benefits, or for more illegal reason. By hiding themselves this far, they have 0 credibility, that's all.
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                     You may not agree, but the real way to gain credibility is with well-provided services. In a market that prioritizes privacy, this is critical.
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                        They have a guy who talk on a forum ? Wow, sure, now I'll trust them... /s
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                     To this day I have never encountered any proven scam accusations related to them. If you have found, please show me.
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                        (...) You can continue to be their advocate as hard as you want, it will change nothing. They aren't a trustworthy ads agency, and that's all.
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                     That's your opinion, an opinion from someone who clearly does not have any confidence with cryptocurrency and related services. You've already made that clear in posts made on other topics.
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                     You don't have the authority to speak for all the developers in this niche. The vast majority of people are completely laymen with regard to Bitcoin and related topics and this is why they only use the traditional means to receive donations.
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                     Honestly, I'm not advocating for anything, I just introduced an alternative solution to a problem (even though not everyone sees it that way). I could have just used it on my project and not brought any kind of information about it (it would be the smartest thing to do).
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                        This while doing so add a level of complication to their "administrative" works (I use comma because it mean "everything that is not directly related to game making and promotion").
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                     Using Bitcoin would not bring any complications to the developers. Currently, even in third world countries there are already several services (and debit cards) that make it possible to make any type of conventional payment using Bitcoin. For US residents, the options are even greater, since a myriad of services accepts Bitcoin directly.
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                        Developing a game is a very time-consuming process, especially if the developer uses renders in high resolution. Hardly anyone would be interested in having such a hobby without having any financial return.
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                     I understand that, and I also would accept that people who do it to pay the bills leave. I like porn games, but I don't like it to the point of supporting ad trash.
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                     It's not that I don't want creators to get paid, or that I don't want them to have options, but as of now, the indie adult industry is still mostly pure and free of all the crap that infested the normal games, like ads, lootboxes, micro transactions, online only, etc, and when the developers rely on donation and crowd funding it's stupid to start taking actions that will without a doubt make consumers angry.
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                        It is very naive to think that Valve will really continue to allow adult games in case of controversies (which could cause millionaire losses with lawsuits).
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                     That's misunderstanding both the Law and Steam that thinking they can inevitably be targeted by a lawsuit.
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                     Like they kept their possibility to remove a game at their own discretion, they already comply to laws regarding content moderation that already exist around the world. They also have all that's needed to comply to local Law ; they already comply to German laws regarding violence in video games by example. And they are less concerned by the EU article 16 if it pass.
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                     The only thing they do, is offering a platform to share/sell game(s), this while globally complying to the Law all around the world. If they forgot a law here or there, they'll receive a cessation notice ordering them to remove this or that, which they more than surely do, updating their own tools to this new knowledge. It's (almost) only in the US that people goes full lawsuit from the start, and like they are US based it's not a problem ; US Law is the one they know the most.
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                     As for the payment processors, their fear with adult content isn't a moral thing. They know very well that there's a shit ton of money to make here. But they also know that it's the market where there's the more fraudulent transactions, and it's the reason why they avoid it. Still, they can agree to deal with it if their partner offer the needed guaranties, and Steam can do it.
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                     It's not Patreon, where you can make a new account just to make a fraudulent pledge, get your reward and forget about it. You need your Steam account to play the game. It imply that Steam can remove the game from your library if it appear that the transaction was fraudulent ; where's the advantage to buy the game if you can't play it ? In the same time, you don't go to Steam just to buy an adult game, and you'll not create a new account just for this ; login on/off anytime you switch from a regular game to an adult one is quickly annoying. You also don't share the content of your two accounts, it will link them and so ease the works on anyone wanting to pursue you for fraudulent bank transaction.
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                     So, like they also have enough money to fulfill the asked provision, for payment processors, Steam offer (almost) all the needed guaranties in regard of adult content.
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                     In the end, the (almost) only threat they'll have to face is someone complaining that, "OH MY LORD, THERE'S P* IN HERE !" (NdA: I censored it to sound like them). But this person can't pursue Steam for this, because if he saw it, it mean that it's legal to sell it in his country and that he claimed to be above the legal age. So, in short, Steam do absolutely nothing illegal. If someone see illegal content, it's this someone who tried to cheat the Law, not them.
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                     As for a call for boycott... when it come from the US and concern porn or things like this, the rest of the western world tend to react at the opposite ; it tend to make us laugh when the self proclaimed "land of freedom" try to restrict freedom. And even US based Steam users will not really follow the call, because they are players, not narrow sighted bigots.
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                        What happened on Tumblr will happen, sooner or later, in any large company that is not focused on the adult market.
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                     You know that Tumblr was kicked out of Apple store because of pedopornography, right ? It partly have to do with Apple point of view in regard of public moral, but they didn't moved before they had the possibility to effectively accuse Tumblr to host illegal content. That's because they know that they constantly fail at filtering child pornography, that Tumblr banned adult content, not because of some kind of moral crusade ; such crusaders exist against Tumblr, but they never were able to succeed.
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                     Anyway, it don't concern Steam. They already can filter what's shown in this or that country, and can do the same to comply with moral issue of this or that store. Their content will always be legal and if needed be in accord with the moral points of view of the intermediary they need to use.
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                     To this you need to add the fact that Steam is even bigger than Tumblr. The size of Tumblr helped them to stay safe of moral crusade, Steam and their 10 millions concurrent users logged in at any time of the day, if way safer on this side.
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                     You know, the best software in computer security are all open sources. Strange, isn't it, that the best way to be secure is by showing to everyone how you secure your computer. It's the same for Tor. The software is open source and the nodes are public. Still it's one of best the way to protect your privacy online. Well, the same apply to privacy. Transparency is and will always be the best way to ensure privacy. Especially in a case like this one where your own privacy is on the hand of someone else.
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                     The identity of his society and his privacy are two totally different things. Saying that the service is provided by [society] located in [full address], will change absolutely nothing to his privacy. We still don't know his sexual orientation, his religion, his marital status, if he have children, what music he like, what he did yesterday, and all in fact everything that his part of his private life. But, in the same time it will make all the difference between a trustworthy service and a service that can't be trusted.
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                        That's your opinion, an opinion from someone who clearly does not have any confidence with cryptocurrency and related services. You've already made that clear in posts made on other topics.
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                     You confuse two things here. I don't have a single issue with cryptocurrencies, it's with
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                     When someone state that using a cryptocurrency is mandatory, then he don't only deal with legal business. This simply because it's neither mandatory when what you do is legal. It doesn't mean that you can't use cryptocurrency, just that you do it because you can/want. It's the "needed" part that is more than suspect, not the use itself. And the same apply when a service deal only with cryptocurrencies.
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                     That's why, among other things, I said for few Patreon alternatives, that people should be cautious about them. When you target your whole funding business on untraceable money exchange, you open a door to pedo-ring funding, white supremacists funding, right and left wing extremists funding, terrorism funding, and so on. Then, either you explicitly close the door and I'm fine with you, or you let the door ajar and you can go fuck yourself.
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                     I see the gray in the world, but when it come to hate spreading and child abuse, there's no more gray for me. If you don't stand against it, then you're part of the problem.
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                        You don't have the authority to speak for all the developers in this niche. The vast majority of people are completely laymen with regard to Bitcoin and related topics and this is why they only use the traditional means to receive donations.
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                     So, I don't have the authority to talk about something obviously visible, but you have the authority to talk about something that can't even be quantified... Aren't you a bit hypocritical here ?
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                     Are you kidding ? Saying this just after you made a completely hypocritical and absolutely not argued statement when trying to counter me... I felt back to my previous feeling. You defend them too hard to not be part of a-ads.
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                        I could have just used it on my project and not brought any kind of information about it (it would be the smartest thing to do).
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                     For once I agree with you. It would have proved that it's not a good way to fund your game.
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                        Using Bitcoin would not bring any complications to the developers. Currently, even in third world countries there are already several services that make it possible to make any type of conventional payment using Bitcoin. For US residents, the options are even greater, since a myriad of services accepts Bitcoin directly.
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                     Beep... I live in one of the richest countries, and still I can't use bitcoin at the grocery store in the corner of my street. Or perhaps are you misunderstanding why people need to be funded ?
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                        You confuse two things here. I don't have a single issue with cryptocurrencies, it's with
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                        When someone state that using a cryptocurrency is mandatory, then he don't only deal with legal business. This simply because it's neither mandatory when what you do is legal. It doesn't mean that you can't use cryptocurrency, just that you do it because you can/want. It's the "needed" part that is more than suspect, not the use itself. And the same apply when a service deal only with cryptocurrencies.
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                        That's why, among other things, I said for few Patreon alternatives, that people should be cautious about them. When you target your whole funding business on untraceable money exchange, you open a door to pedo-ring funding, white supremacists funding, right and left wing extremists funding, terrorism funding, and so on. Then, either you explicitly close the door and I'm fine with you, or you let the door ajar and you can go fuck yourself.
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                     If someone commits a crime using a knife, should we boycott or criminalize the company that made that knife? If there are criminals using cryptocurrencies to fund criminal activity, it is not cryptocurrencies's fault. Even before this technology began to exist, criminal activities were already (and still are) funded using conventional money.
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                        So, I don't have the authority to talk about something obviously visible, but you have the authority to talk about something that can't even be quantified... Aren't you a bit hypocritical here ?
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                     You have authority to speak for yourself, not for others. Although other people have agreed with your opinion here, you can't say with 100% certainty that everyone who develops adult games agrees with you.
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                        (...) You defend them too hard to not be part of a-ads.
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                     What I'm trying to defend here is the initial proposal of this topic, not the service in question. As I said in a previous reply, if any user indicate another similar reliable service, I include in the guide without any problems. The more options, the better.
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                        For once I agree with you. It would have proved that it's not a good way to fund your game.
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                     Again, this is your opinion, not the absolute truth. Even though most users boycott the game because of the ad, there will certainly be people who, if they are interested in the project, are going to play, even if it's offline, without any whining.
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                        Beep... I live in one of the richest countries, and still I can't use bitcoin at the grocery store in the corner of my street. Or perhaps are you misunderstanding why people need to be funded ?
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                     No more naive than it is to trust an anonymous service making use of cryptocurrency transactions only, not to mention that their advertisers will continue to fund your project in the first place.
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                        If someone commits a crime using a knife, should we boycott or criminalize the company that made that knife? If there are criminals using cryptocurrencies to fund criminal activity, it is not cryptocurrencies's fault. Even before this technology began to exist, criminal activities were already (and still are) funded using conventional money.
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                     What if the criminal is anonymous ads themselves? It would make a lot more sense as to why they've chosen to maintain their anonymity. How do you know for sure that anonymous ads isn't funding terror organizations? How do you know that anonymous ads isn't financing a human trafficking ring? You don't, because they're completely anonymous and you can't trace them, their spending habits, their legal cases, anything.
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                     Furthermore, using an example from Anne's post, tumblr is a service that was forced to remove porn in its entirety if they wanted to continue being hosted on Apple Store, because tumblr couldn't stop users from coming in with **********. That is to say, that tumblr was held responsible for their inability to stop other people from using their service to commit a crime and forced to change that if they wanted to do legitimate business.
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                     If it is offline you get no revenue. Considering the fact that just adding analytics got people to freak out when I worked on a unity game in the past, no, there's not going to be a significant enough number of people for this to be a viable option.
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                        No more naive than it is to trust an anonymous service making use of cryptocurrency transactions only (...)
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                     Being a cryptocurrency enthusiast, I don't see any problem in this, especially when the service has a good track record.
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                        What if the criminal is anonymous ads themselves? It would make a lot more sense as to why they've chosen to maintain their anonymity. How do you know for sure that anonymous ads isn't funding terror organizations? How do you know that anonymous ads isn't financing a human trafficking ring? You don't, because they're completely anonymous and you can't trace them, their spending habits, their legal cases, anything.
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                     You're just making an empty accusation, without any evidence, just to try to say that all anonymity is used to commit crime, which is not true.
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                        If it is offline you get no revenue. Considering the fact that just adding analytics got people to freak out when I worked on a unity game in the past, no, there's not going to be a significant enough number of people for this to be a viable option.
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                     You talk as if all the developers are successful using Patreon. Yourself, for example, only have 13 patrons and earn about $60 a month. Unfortunately, most people have no interest in supporting developers, they just want high quality content for free.
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                        Ah, devolving to insults now? Anne's probably older than you, I've spoken with him on many occasions throughout this site, sometimes wherein certain personal info has been shared, and can say for certain he's older than me.
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                     A simple joke is an insult now? This seems more of an insult to me:
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                     I am in favor of unrestricted freedom of speech, but I have no interest in offending anyone. If you or anyone else here felt deeply offended by a silly joke, who has no offensive words, I apologize.
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                        You're just making an empty accusation, without any evidence, just to try to say that all anonymity is used to commit crime, which is not true.
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                     Point to the line in those 3 paragraphs where I said, outright, that they were doing so. I said, because of their anonymity, I have no way of knowing they aren't. A while back I made a comment about Nestle, but before we get into it, understand, I don't think there's such a thing as ethical consumption under capitalism, but if I can keep my money from going to support outright child slavery and infant deaths, I well. Nestle, because they are a public entity, I can see buys chocolate from African farms on which child slavery is common. I also know, because nestle is a public entity, that they've led aggressive campaigns paying doctors and nurses to promote baby formula over breast milk in third world countries. The problem being that the water quality in those countries is so extremely low that the babies are dying from that formula, and because they've not been breast fed, they aren't getting help to form any immunizes from their mother, meaning that even if they survive the formula water, they might not survive other preventable diseases in the future.
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                     Off of one release. Seraphim academy grew 3 times it's initial release by the second.
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                        A simple joke is an insult now? This seems more of an insult to me:
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                     Sure, out of context that is a direct insult, however in context, and given your continued inability to understand simple concepts, it's a valid observation. However, the intent of Anne's words there and the intent of your words here, are different. You attempted to discredit their validity by implying their young age made them unable to make a valid point. Anne expressed that your willful misunderstanding of his words was stupidity on your part. The difference here is that you did in fact, misinterpret Anne's words, which is in fact showing a lack of understanding, a lack of understanding is stupidity. However when you threw out your comment about age it was blind, and completely meant as mockery.
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                        If someone commits a crime using a knife, should we boycott or criminalize the company that made that knife?  If there are criminals using cryptocurrencies to fund criminal activity, it is not cryptocurrencies's fault.
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                     Do you even read what you answer to ? I explicitly said that I have nothing against cryptocurrencies, only against people misusing them.
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                     But you have this authority when it come to say that the reason why they "use the traditional means to receive donations" is because they are "laymen with regard to Bitcoin".
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                     Which is good, because I never said that. What I said is that they don't need to use cryptocurrencies, which is different.
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                        As I said in a previous reply, if any user indicate another similar reliable service, I include in the guide without any problems. The more options, the better.
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                     Well, please, add
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                        Again, this is your opinion, not the absolute truth. Even though most users boycott the game because of the ad, there will certainly be people who, if they are interested in the project, are going to play, even if it's offline, without any whining.
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                     I didn't said that people will boycott your game, just that it would have proved that it's not a good way to fund the said game, which, again, is different.
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                     There's many way to play your game without being bothered a single second by the ads you can put inside. You can edit the host table to redirect a-ads.com to localhost. You can configure your IP filter to block the connection to a-ads.com, or (mostly on Windows) to block any connection coming from the game. If you are a more advanced user you can configure the transparent proxy on your LAN to block the connection to a-ads.com, or overwrite the a-ads.com record on the DNS located on your LAN.
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                     A boycott isn't the only reason why it's not a so good solution. The problem being that, by putting ads directly in your game, you'll impact authors putting them on their site, where nobody would have complain. You force some players to ban an ads agency from their computer, to not be bothered when they play your game, and it will also ban this agency from their computer when they'll browse the site of authors who respect their desire to not be invaded.
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                     Beep... You said that it would add no "administrative" task to the game's author. Having to load your credit card is an added "adminstrative" task.
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                        Ah, devolving to insults now? Anne's probably older than you, I've spoken with him on many occasions throughout this site, sometimes wherein certain personal info has been shared, and can say for certain he's older than me.
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                     It's not a secret, and not a privacy infringement to say it, I'm near to my fifties. I'm 47 years old, and be more or less since the first time I said it here more than one year ago. It's just that, during this time, I realized that I now prefer to use my official age instead of just using the nearest one ; it's something that happen suddenly when you grow older. So, I will have the longest 47 year in the history
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                     No, he was demonstrating something. And he did it well because, if he don't have evidences that they are the criminal (what he didn't said anyway), yourself have absolutely no evidences that he's wrong.
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                     But no, they've chosen to be a shadow that nobody know. It lead to this situation. One can't prove that they are the bad guy in this story, and you can't prove that they aren't, nor that the good words said about them don't come directly from them. And like someone entering in a bank wearing a ski mask raise legit suspicion, despite the fact that it's perfectly legal, a society that hide itself so deep and rely only on cryptocurrency raise legit suspicion.
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                        Sure, out of context that is a direct insult, however in context, and given your continued inability to understand simple concepts, it's a valid observation. However, the intent of Anne's words there and the intent of your words here, are different. You attempted to discredit their validity by implying their young age made them unable to make a valid point. Anne expressed that your willful misunderstanding of his words was stupidity on your part. The difference here is that you did in fact, misinterpret Anne's words, which is in fact showing a lack of understanding, a lack of understanding is stupidity. However when you threw out your comment about age it was blind, and completely meant as mockery.
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                     How convenient, my joke is a terrible insult, but calling someone stupid isn't. You and anne O'nymous are two examples of users who constantly insult people's intelligence when taking part in some discussion in this forum. Pay attention to your own behavior before you want to point your finger at someone.
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                     You are the perfect example that there is no guarantee of success using Patreon.
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                     The vast majority of people don't know anything about cryptocurrencies. That is an undeniable fact.
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                     To say that a monetization model does not work with adult games, without presenting any kind of statistics, is only a personal opinion and this opinion cannot be considered as absolute truth.
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                        Well, please, add
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                     In order to be used in a game, the ad service must support applications in general, something that only a few ad networks do and when it does it is always aimed at the mobile market. Another important requirement is that the ad network allows applications with mature content.
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                     Introduce me to an ad network that supports desktop and mobile apps and accepts adult content. When you or anyone else here does this I will add for sure.
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                        How convenient, my joke is a terrible insult, but calling someone stupid isn't. You and anne O'nymous are two examples of users who constantly insult people's intelligence when taking part in some discussion in this forum. Pay attention to your own behavior before you want to point your finger at someone.
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                        Another important requirement is that the ad network allows applications with mature content.
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                        If a dog poops on the floor he's a bad dog. Why do you think that if a person does something stupid that they should be exempt from that description? Do we need to create a safe space where you can be stupid without being judged for it? Your naive belief that an anonymous ad service which you can't hold accountable is a viable option is STUPID. Constantly missing the point and twisting responses to suit your needs is STUPID. If you have a problem with it, lucky you, stupidity has a cure, it's called taking in new information, processing it, and adding it to your own information base. Instead, you keep choosing to double down on your poor judgement.
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                     With that kind of answer, you just prove my point.
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                        Point to 10 developers who had success within 3 releases. Depraved Awakening, one of the best games out there, one where the dev had 5 grand to blow on assets and resources for his next game after finishing, had 1 patron after 2 releases. It is too early to judge anything based on how few releases I've made.
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                     This only proves the obvious, that it is extremely difficult to get support on patreon or similar platforms. You are advocating this kind of funding model even though you have never managed to succeed with it.
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                        Let things be clear here...
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                          You asked for alternative to a-ads, saying that you'll add them if given ;
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                          I gave you a list of 79 ad networks *** ***** ******* ;
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                          You didn't included them because the said ad networks need to allow mature content.
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                        We are all right on this ?
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                        No, seriously, the answer to my last question is important. We need to all be on the same page. That's what happened, right ?
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                        So, now that we all agree, I have a problem...
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                        When you click on the link I gave, you see that the title of the page is "advertising networks
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                     I have never stated that this list of ad networks you submitted forbids adult content.
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                     What I did was present all the necessary requirements for an ad network to be used in an adult game.
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                     Again I repeat, if you or any other user of this forum know about other ad networks that meet the requirements I put before, please let me know. Just remember that it's no use pointing me to conventional adult ad networks because these are meant for websites.
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                        Why does it have to support mobile? Sure, you might be making an android version, but I'm not wasting the time to compress files and make that happen for mobile users unless my userbase really wants it, and even then I need a lot of requests, because not all of them will be paying users.
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                     I think it's important to make the game available on as many platforms as possible, especially considering that it's a simple process with the engine I'm using. I even published two quick guides about it:
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                        developers would have ample freedom to develop their projects
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                        Advertisers also have options to limit where their ads should appear or they can manually choose which banner/website they want to advertise on.
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                     As I've explained multiple times now, because of this there is no freedom with advertisers, they are just as fickle and far more likely to turn on you than Patreon which has only done so under intense pressure from financial institutions. As I've also already explained, Patreaon's guidelines don't hurt me. In fact, I'm willing to bet I could get away with leaving my incest in though I've chosen not to, because my games are far closer to erotica than they are straight up porn. Their guidelines say GoT would be allowed.
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                     However, I admit that's a risk, so I haven't done so. I could still, keeping my audience happy, put my game on Patreon even if they did eventually ban all nudity in any context. My games both have an actual plot, one with romance, and the other with a thriller. The sex and relationships could be removed and patched back in without losing the game.
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                     So, now with a third attempt, maybe the new knowledge will be processed?
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                        I think it's important to make the game available on as many platforms as possible, especially considering that it's a simple process with the engine I'm using. I even published two quick guides about it:
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                     Didn't you, yourself, say that you couldn't say something like that without proof?
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                     This forum is the proof. Daily it is possible to see here, in several topics, multiple users requesting android versions. Users like the66 receive daily requests to create unofficial android versions of various games.
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                     Yes, but unless they want an android version of my game, why would I spend the time to make one? It is a bit of work, not too much, as Ren'Py can do it, but often times there are code issues and of course, you'll want to compress it since phones don't have a lot of space.  I'm not going to make it and hope they want it. If they want it they'll ask for it.
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                        I have never stated that this list of ad networks you submitted forbids adult content.
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                        What I did was present all the necessary requirements for an ad network to be used in an adult game.
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                       There's more than one ad network in the list I gave that meet these requirements.
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                     I'll not do your job. It took me less than one minute to find the link, and less than two to find an ad network that meet your requirement with a total certitude. If effectively you are honest and not affiliated to the declining a-ads (-44.44% average CPM !), prove it.
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                        I'll not do your job. It took me less than one minute to find the link, and less than two to find an ad network that meet your requirement with a total certitude. If effectively you are honest and not affiliated to the declining a-ads (-44.44% average CPM !), prove it.
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                     I'm still waiting for you to effectively name some trusted ad network that meets all the requirements I've listed. I have no obligation to waste days or weeks testing different services just to be able to present other options for you.
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                        I'm still waiting for you to effectively name some trusted ad network that meets all the requirements I've listed. I have no obligation to waste days or weeks testing different services just to be able to present other options for you.
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                     There's already a suggestion. It's not difficult do solve the rebus ; what I wrote is the name of the network after all. You just go on the second page of the list I gave and you'll very quickly find the URL to their site.
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                     The time you needed to write this answer is more than enough to find it and update OP, while the rebus was, as I said, for you to prove your honesty. It was also your chance to prove that you can be trusted, that when you say, "a-ads is reliable and can be trusted", despite all the things talking against it, you don't just spread some words you heard.
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