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                     I'd like to get peoples thoughts on having an option to show in your profile what creators you supported.
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                     Devs would first opt in, users would then have the opportunity to sync their Patreon account, then choose which creators they support should be shown on their profile. It would be up to the user which developers are displayed.
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                     There wouldn't be any extra information like amount or date pledged or anything like that for privacy reasons, it would just show if you're an active patron or not.
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                        The only bad thing i could see coming from this is that some people may use this in discussion about some games. "You don't even support him, how dare you give negative feedback".
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                     True, although it doesn't show what amount the user pledges at, they could be a $1 pledge who doesn't have the latest game, or a $30 pledge, nobody would know.
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                        Very good on the user experience/visual appearance
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                     Sorry, but you are being delusional.  The sensible answer is to ignore anyone using it as an excuse to have a dig at someone else, but you are dealing with human nature.
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                        Sorry, but you are being delusional.  The sensible answer is to ignore anyone using it as an excuse to have a dig at someone else, but you are dealing with human nature.
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                     There will probably be some of those arguments, but we have them anyway. "You guys are pirates stop hating on the game you're getting it for free" etc already happen.
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                        There is an element of trust, 'how do I know what is going on in the background when I link accounts?', for me it's about sharing of info.
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                     The question is, should it be shown in all your posts or should it be shown in your profile?
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                     It will indeed show the patreons you are supporting which can help by identifying who is a patreon of who thus we can ask these people if they can give us an updated version of the current content be it a game or something else they are supporting assuming that patreon person has a thread here, but it can also give rise to problems for example "You don't support the patreon so your feedback is moot" , "You are supporting someone who is clearly stealing money from his/her patrons without giving any good updates to his/her game or updating it at all"
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                     It would be a good idea to give each user the tools to decide which patreon they are support to be shown in your profile or posts or both and which patreon to not be shown.
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                        True, although it doesn't show what amount the user pledges at, they could be a $1 pledge who doesn't have the latest game, or a $30 pledge, nobody would know.
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                     We all know, that the beggers don't care about that. Infact they don't even care if you are a patreon or not... They'll ask you anyways
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                        I feel like the signatures already sorta perform this function but better. Signatures are free advertising all over the site.
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                        I think it might be nice for many people, but I also think it should maybe be kept to the profile exclusively, instead of on the posts.
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                        The question is, should it be shown in all your posts or should it be shown in your profile?
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                        I would honestly keep it to the profile. The post bit would be pretty cluttered, really fast.
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                     I get what these guys are saying, but I also wouldn't mind maybe some post by post relevance. Would it be possible to have a "Devs I support" Link placed somewhere in here
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                        I'm not opposed to it, and hopefully any issues caused will be heavily moderated. I don't want to see people get shit for not supporting or dropping support.
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                     People already call people out for not supporting, whether they do or not. We already have ways to curtail this type of non productive reasoning. If you're critical of something, like a creators game, then why would you be paying for it in the first place? It is up to us to earn them as patrons, not for them to earn us being quality developers.
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                     Looking at how Sam is suggesting we implement this, it doesn't have to be that obstructive. 3 small circles displayed under your post statistics on every post, and a 2 more below that, perhaps, with the third spot being a (...) so that people with more than 5 (which would be very few in the first place, I imagine) patronages would have either a link to a new page on your profile showing all of them in a cool list like we do the latest updates page, or even just the circles, but all of them on the profile page, or as happens when you click someone's name, a little popup window with the complete list.
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                     I can't see any cons about it, some were mentioned but they aren't really anything I'd worry about. Besides I'm a dev too and I wouldn't need the badges to check if a user "steals" a game I'd build (yeah isn't possible in my case anyway since we release it here for free
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                     Nice idea, however I believe it can bring down servers to knees. Even with memcache support.
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                     Great idea, I really wonder the percentage of the active users who really support a dev. On the other hand I even don't link my patreon profile to discords of the devs I support, so I will not be using.
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                     What about having the badges listed on the expanded profile, even the small preview when clicking on a user but giving everyone who links their Patreon the "Patron" ribbon, like the profile ribbons/titles already used? This way anyone looking at the user will know they have their Patreon linked and can check their profile or profile preview to see who they show support for.
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                     Would be cool to have an analytics page tied to this too. See a ranked list of the most publically supported games on f95, even better if it tracks this by time, like Google Trends. I see developers join here on their own game thread after finding out where all the new traffic is coming from, showing them some neat trends could help developers mold their Paterons/Game marketing and see the value of f95.
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                        Nice idea, however I believe it can bring down servers to knees. Even with memcache support.
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                     Here's a rough technical walkthrough:
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                     Upon sync we'd use Patreon's oAuth API to see what developers the user is an active patron of. This would be stored in a table in the database. The user would then select which developers to show on their profile, the others would remain hidden from everyone.
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                     This would have no noticeable impact on our infrastructure, the only information we'd store is the developers the user is a patron of, and the user specific API key needed to fetch that list from Patreon, which would be AES encrypted in the database.
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                        Would be cool to have an analytics page tied to this too. See a ranked list of the most publically supported games on f95, even better if it tracks this by time, like Google Trends
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                     I think Graphtreon does a better job of this than we ever could, and is far more encompassing.
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                        Here's a rough technical walkthrough:
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                        Upon sync we'd use Patreon's oAuth API to see what developers the user is an active patron of. This would be stored in a table in the database. The user would then select which developers to show on their profile, the others would remain hidden from everyone.
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                     Ummm, that too complicated. Normal user does not want to check everything or anything everytime. It will have to auto mod. If user want to show his patreons on forum oauth with patreon, thats it. Also if user want to not show any of ther patreon it will have to on off switch. Probably an update now button for immediate sync.
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                     Also a daemon which runs background and check users patreon status each day per user. Becuse you cannot rely on thread process execution to sync with pateron data.
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                     When each thread shown, processor will check each poster is patreon synced, then each fetch from his patreons from database and put the his message. SQL server will bring down immadiately so we have to put those data in a memcached or similar server. Even with memcached due to f95zone nature I believe it will cost lot of cpu cycles.
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                        Also a daemon which runs background and check users patreon status each day per user. Becuse you cannot rely on thread process execution to sync with pateron data.
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                     Yep we'll either use crontab or Xenforo has a built in cron system, so it doesn't resync on page execution.
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                        When each thread shown, processor will check each poster is patreon synced, then each fetch from his patreons from database and put the his message. SQL server will bring down immadiately so we have to put those data in a memcached or similar server. Even with memcached due to f95zone nature I believe it will cost lot of cpu cycles.
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                     There will be an extra column on the `users` table with the serialized array of developers the user wishes to display, it wouldn't require any extra SQL queries or even an additional JOIN, it'll just be an extra column to select in the already existing SELECT query, which already has a JOIN on to the `users` table.
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                     Thank you for replying. I have some suggestions if my 20 years of php development experience counts.
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                        Yep we'll either use crontab or Xenforo has a built in cron system, so it doesn't resync on page execution.
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                     Cron based system may not be cut. If patreon supported users high amount cront job may not be finish in time (except if you run for per day) then creates race conditions. I had tons of bad experiments about this. I recommend backend daemon. You can wrote even with php.
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                        There will be an extra column on the `users` table with the serialized array of developers the user wishes to display, it wouldn't require any extra SQL queries or even an additional JOIN, it'll just be an extra column to select in the already existing SELECT query, which already has a JOIN on to the `users` table.
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                     I do not know current state of cache system f95zone uses. However even with same sql query, unserializing still a cost.
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                     And if you store patreon data in serialized cell only it will lead lots of problems for analyzing data for later.
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                     My suggestion is build a relational database system for users patreon data. Covert this data to json Then put it in your serialized cell in the user table.
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                     Then write nice little javascript code which parses user patreon data and converts to html. This model will minimize the overhead.
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                        Cron based system may not be cut. If patreon supported users high amount cront job may not be finish in time (except if you run for per day) then creates race conditions. I had tons of bad experiments about this. I recommend backend daemon. You can wrote even with php.
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                     We'll probably only update every few days, we can easily add some checks to prevent stacking and race conditions.
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                     unserialize() isn't an expensive operation, it's faster than json_decode(), and even faster than explode() in some situations, I don't see a problem.
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                        And if you store patreon data in serialized cell only it will lead lots of problems for analyzing data for later.
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                     The column in the `users` table will be the developers the users have opted to show, there will be a separate table containing the 'raw' data and encrypted API keys.
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                        Then write nice little javascript code which parses user patreon data and converts to html. This model will minimize the overhead.
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                     We'll use Xenforo's templating system, format the html in PHP, then use JS for the 'show more' feature when applicable.
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                     Sounds pretty cool. Especially with it being opt-in since no-one would link their accounts unless they actually wanted to.
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                     Obviously there will be detractors and arguments for a while after the change (as is already evidenced in this thread), but given some time the hubub and paranoia over it should die down, it would be seen as just another feature of the site, and everything would go back to business as usual.
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                     Wouldn't be that intrusive from the examples shown.
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                     Also support the idea of adding the badges to users profile pages and allowing them to pick which games they are supporting actually get displayed there, as well letting them choose which 3 are displayed in their posts.
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                     I really like this as an opt-in option! It would be super cool to see what games other members are supporting. But as someone who has been blocked on Patreon by two developers now for sharing on this site, I feel like I'd rather not advertise who I'm supporting, if that makes sense...? I feel like it makes me a target... I'm hoping there are many members more experienced than I am that can help show why this isn't an issue
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                        This is great. It will be like achievements for patreon... &lt;-- this is sarcasm.
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                        I can already see many people just subbing for a second to get a badge and then removing pledge... haha, not really though. XD
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                     It's not arbitrary. Just because you don't like someone, doesn't make them incorrect.
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                        It's not arbitrary. Just because you don't like someone, doesn't make them incorrect.
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                        Reasoning is not taken out of ass, it's based on actual method of doing things. My concern is not based on trashing the idea, but on the fact some people won't help themselves. Vulnerable people that easily fall for things like that. That's how it's basically working and often used.
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                        However, to give something and not just point an issue - It's not as effective when seen only on profile (marketing wise, still in effect), so that's one way. I would actually want Sam to respond to this concern as by his own words, vulnerable people need protection from things.
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                        I know, already pointed it out. Again this is really close to idea of getting people to pledge to gain a badge. Some people will do it just to get it. If we remove intentions, good or bad, it does fall under praying on vulnerable people wanting things. I hope you see an issue with it.
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                     That's the same with anything in the world. People get 'badges' on their profile on Patreon.com by pledging to creators, all we're doing is showing the same information which is freely available on public Patreon profiles here. A 30px badge is no different to other incentives like unique roles/colors on Discord for reward tiers, or 'Donor' status on the forum, or any other kind of reward based system.
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                        I know, already pointed it out. Again this is really close to idea of getting people to pledge to gain a badge. Some people will do it just to get it. If we remove intentions, good or bad, it does fall under praying on vulnerable people wanting things. I hope you see an issue with it.
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                     I honestly can not follow that logic. What makes people on this sites automatically vulnerable? They are all above the age of 18 (hopefully) and we can only judge them as responsible adults.
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                     I'm happy about this. It gives the people who pledge the devs something for their support and it also gives the devs something back in a form of pr and spreading around their work.
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                     It's a win-win. It's optional and I don't see this as the same as microtransaction in which majority are kids and the gain is different.
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                        i like oiz's idea the most to be honest. just keep it to the profile page and be done with it. having that patreon badge right next to a post makes the post look more valuable than posts from non patreon supports in certain threads. that could lead (maybe; just loud thinking) to a two class system and that's not a good thing to have. even though non patreons can post same quality posts, some might see more reason in patreon pladger's posts than they would without those pladges.  i would compare it a bit with the effect of a doctor's white coat. people trust that guy who is wearing that outfit, but at the end a white coat alone doesn't make you a doctor, right?
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                     Valid, but it's not like the accusation of "you aren't even a patron, so who are you to talk" is already commonplace. It has been stated many times that such accusations, and the accompanying uncivil behavior is not tolerated currently, and will not be tolerated later.
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                        I really like this as an opt-in option! It would be super cool to see what games other members are supporting. But as someone who has been blocked on Patreon by two developers now for sharing on this site, I feel like I'd rather not advertise who I'm supporting, if that makes sense...? I feel like it makes me a target... I'm hoping there are many members more experienced than I am that can help show why this isn't an issue
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                     i and we thank you for sharing
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                     ,as my above post those who want to show can those that share quietly should be held in high esteem and rewarded(maybe a like bonus from mods and not 1 or 2 but 200,300 ect or a special tag to show that you make this site what it is.)also when devs ban you let us know who they are and boycott them on f95-they need us more than we need them.name and shame them
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                     But I think, the positive aspect outweight this issue.
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                     I would go for the badge with the detail information on the profil page. Thus it is not plain obvious how support how and perhaps it helps to avoid additional "you're (not) a patreon....." crap. Also the dev badge doesn't say which game(s) a developed, so they would used the "same" style.
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                     Only *loud thinking*: If this will be installed, could we have some "report" function for "I displayed I'm patreon vom dev Y, now dev Y has banned me"? I don't want to pelt some shit on it, only that other patreons of the same dev could be informed.
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                        I'm not sure about this one, very split. On the upside it encourages more patronage which is fantastic, provides a clearer picture on who is being supported and there is Sam's argument that there already is a reward system. On the downside it's the same fundamental problem as why alot of schools outside of the united states have set school uniforms, to avoid the establishment of class systems on the basis of their parent's incomes and ability to buy the most expensive clothes, this information would extend that reward system and possibly become the focus of class difference on the forums(I know its fucking bizarre to be talking about marxist and class principles on a porn focused game forum but the analogy does fit the issue with perfection) I also see it's people who already donate that love this idea.. then there is the directly above mentioned issue with this system working as a disincentive for patreons to release games to the forum. I'm split leaning towards a no.
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                     I see your point, but I have another standpoint.
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                     For the whole badge system this forum have it could go with the same "bitching". E.g. you don't have donate to F95, so who cares about you?! Same for, probable, all the banner that exist - Ok, if someone is bitching against a mod or staff, then it's their own pitfall.
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                     I think as long as the amount someone spend on patreon doesn't show her, it wouldn't be that bad. Have 1 or 20 devs you support, doesn't say something about the money you spend on then (could be 1*50$ or 20*1$).
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                     If it's help a dev to have more patreons, I doubt. But it would shows the devs that this site is more than simple shairing their game witout anything in return. Thus could help that some of them are more open about this place and don't think every comment from a F95 user has nothing to do with his backers.
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                     Of course never every dev on Patreon would be here and be happy about this site, but I think some of the devs don't give this place the credits that it should have. Am I a ridiculous pirate? Maybe?
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                     What I think is that this place hold over a million possible paying consumers. Even if a dev "only" "attract" 1000 more supporters on the lowest tiers, that would be a lot for some of them.
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                     So overall I see this as an "commercial" like the featured game list.
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                        I see your point, but I have another standpoint.
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                        For the whole badge system this forum have it could go with the same "bitching". E.g. you don't have donate to F95, so who cares about you?! Same for, probable, all the banner that exist - Ok, if someone is bitching against a mod or staff, then it is he's own pitfall.
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                        I think as long as the amount someone spend on patreon doesn't show her, it wouldn't be that bad. Have 1 or 20 devs you support, doesn't say something about the money you spend on then (could be 1*50$ or 20*1$).
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                        If it's help a dev to have more patreons, I doubt. But it would shows the devs that this site is more than simple shairing their game witout anything in return. Thus could help that some of them are more open about this place and don't think every comment from a F95 user has nothing to do with his backers.
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                        Of course never every dev on Patreon would be here and be happy about this site, but I think some of the devs don't give this place the credits that it should have. Am I a ridiculous pirate? Maybe?
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                        What I think is that this place hold over a million possible paying consumers. Even if a dev "only" "attract" 1000 more supporters on the lowest tiers, that would be a lot for some.
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                     There is a difference in donating to these forums and being someone who donates to the focus of these forums. I believe the latter would be held in far higher regard but it's pure speculation, this system might be implemented and work out beautifully. I don't know, hence the split. You raise an aspect I hadn't considered with the greater respect this forum would get by the developers and that would definitely fall into the pros column.
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