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                     99,9% of erotic games have either extremely poor, laughable computer animations or anime-style drawing that is extremely cartonish and over the top. Also 99,9% of them seem like they're written by a horny 13 year old boy.
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                     Are there any games that have actual, good adult writing with well written characters and story and realisitic art? I don't understand why there's so few of them. CGI is bound to be unrealistic (no idea why people use it), but it doesn't have to be animated, it can be a visual novel with actual drawings, like Good Girl Gone Bad. Actually, scratch that, it can even be text based, basically interactive erotic book. You'd think that in such a sexually liberal time, with massive popularity of the internet and video games and tons of great independent online artist in every imaginable art/entertainment field there would be tons of incredible, immersive interactive sex/romance stories/games out there.
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                     I suppose I'm looking for a deeper, more satisfying experience not just a simple porn game - since the level of writing in those is the same as in porn movies, basically an excuse to get a character to show fake tits. I'm looking more for an interactive version of a really good erotic story/book.
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                     It's actually shocking to me that the fact that almost every game you click here has abysmal writing and laughable, immersion-breaking visuals is not brought up in the community. Perhaps I'm at the wrong website and should google for "good interactive erotica" or something, but still, even extremely lewd porn games like those here can be immersive. Good Girl Gone Bad has characters that are actually human, but even better example might be Perverted Education since it's an extremely sick game, with unrealistic things happening and characters unrealistically perverted and YET it's so well written and mostly text based with help from consistent actual images used, that you get really immersed and feel like those are actual characters you're interacting with. Like in a really sexual dream you have, things that happen are unbelievably lewd and would never happen IRL, rules of the real world no longer apply, but when you dream you still think it's real, it's believable to you in the moment, the characters in your dream speak and act like humans, not cardboard cutouts operated by experimental basic-level AI clumsily trying to imitate human interaction.
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                     Both games you so thoroughly enjoyed involved having something shoved up your ass, maybe there's something there?
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                     Jokes aside, since you don't like cgi you will miss out on most games, good and bad but there are really good writers here, I don't think we have a stephen king erotica equivalent, but look at it this way: how many good adventure/fantasy books/novels are out there? and yet most aaa games are utter shit without a coherent storyline (*cough* COD *cough*), now how many erotica novels are out there compared to regular books? there is a much shorter list of reference on the erotica genre for people who want to tell stories in a VN.
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                        99,9% of erotic games have either extremely poor, laughable computer animations or anime-style drawing that is extremely cartonish and over the top. Also 99,9% of them seem like they're written by a horny 13 year old boy.
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                        Are there any games that have actual, good adult writing with well written characters and story and realisitic art? I don't understand why there's so few of them. CGI is bound to be unrealistic (no idea why people use it), but it doesn't have to be animated, it can be a visual novel with actual drawings, like Good Girl Gone Bad. Actually, scratch that, it can even be text based, basically interactive erotic book. You'd think that in such a sexually liberal time, with massive popularity of the internet and video games and tons of great independent online artist in every imaginable art/entertainment field there would be tons of incredible, immersive interactive sex/romance stories/games out there.
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                        I suppose I'm looking for a deeper, more satisfying experience not just a simple porn game - since the level of writing in those is the same as in porn movies, basically an excuse to get a character to show fake tits. I'm looking more for an interactive version of a really good erotic story/book.
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                        It's actually shocking to me that the fact that almost every game you click here has abysmal writing and laughable, immersion-breaking visuals is not brought up in the community. Perhaps I'm at the wrong website and should google for "good interactive erotica" or something, but still, even extremely lewd porn games like those here can be immersive. Good Girl Gone Bad has characters that are actually human, but even better example might be Perverted Education since it's an extremely sick game, with unrealistic things happening and characters unrealistically perverted and YET it's so well written and mostly text based with help from consistent actual images used, that you get really immersed and feel like those are actual characters you're interacting with. Like in a really sexual dream you have, things that happen are unbelievably lewd and would never happen IRL, rules of the real world no longer apply, but when you dream you still think it's real, it's believable to you in the moment, the characters in your dream speak and act like humans, not cardboard cutouts operated by experimental basic-level AI clumsily trying to imitate human interaction.
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                     I hate to break it to you, but Good Girl Gone Bad is not actual art. She traces over still shots from porn videos and puts enough filters on them so they look like they came from Wikihow.
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                        The most annoying thing is that the entire issue would be solved if AAA games stopped being afraid of sex and nudity. There's sex in books and movies but for some reason when there are naked breasts in a video game it's a national news story. There's huge money in erotic games to be made too. We're talking about the biggest entertainment industry in the world right now - video games are bigger than movies now. So it's absurd, isn't it, that we're at a such a desperate point where you'd unironically suggest to me that I should try making something when there's a multi-billion colossus of an industry not doing anything for us.
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                        And I suppose the writing in porn games isn't actually that much worse than writing in AAA games, which is also abysmally bad - to the point of being insulting and unprofessional, since we're actually paying for the top-of-the-line product made by specialists, supposedly. Witcher 3 got praised for it's writing, because it's so much better than other AAA RPG's in the regard, but compared to other mediums like books and movies it's still lacking a lot.
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                     I agree that AAA games should be more open about sex and nudity but unfortunately there is still a stigma around video games that they are meant only for children and any respectable adult should not be interested in such activities. That is also why people complain when there is nudity in something they think is for children ... stupid mentality but this is the world we live in nowadays.
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                     With a book the writing is all you have with games it is different. You can get the best writers in the world to write the best story and dialogue for a game but if the game has bad gameplay mechanics or art it will be considered a bad game.
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                     If I want just a good story I can read a book when I play a game the fun and engaging gameplay is what matters the most. (Witcher 3 got praise because it also has better RPG gameplay than others)
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                     A good story should enhance the experience of an already good gameplay but AAA studios put the writing aside because they can get by without good stories only gameplay (many people do not even pay attention to the stories: GTA, COD etc)
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                        I hate to break it to you, but Good Girl Gone Bad is not actual art. She traces over still shots from porn videos and puts enough filters on them so they look like they came from Wikihow.
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                     Doesn't matter, what matters is that it looks good - it actually says a lot about standards if a game with a 2 meter high hunk of meat like Jack looks realistic compared to most others, but then again most other games with drawing are japanese so completely crazy body proportions and facial expressions there.
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                     And graphics/drawings/animations should enhance the experience of a good writing in a porn game. 99,9% of CGI looks absolutely horrible, to the point where it actually sabotages the game, to the point where it would actually be better if it was writing alone and just our imagination. It annoys me, because obviously creators waste a lot of time doing those 3d animations when the final result will not be worth the time, time which they could spend on something else. It's not that I'm opposed to 3D art in porn games, it's just that we don't have the technology to make them look good, that's a fact. So I wonder why so many people, most actually, go for this horrific, plastic, wierd "art" style instead of actual drawings/art, which are both easier to make and more realistic looking.
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                        So I wonder why so many people, most actually, go for this horrific, plastic, wierd "art" style instead of actual drawings/art, which are both easier to make and more realistic looking.
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                     Because they don't actually make them as far as I know Daz3D models are available on the internet so devs just take them drop them in the software and make renders without having to model the characters themselves.
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                        Doesn't matter, what matters is that it looks good - it actually says a lot about standards if a game with a 2 meter high hunk of meat like Jack looks realistic compared to most others, but then again most other games with drawing are japanese so completely crazy body proportions and facial expressions there.
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                        As I said before, look at deviantart, thousands and thousands of beautiful drawings. Imagine a VN drawn by someone like that.
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                        And graphics/drawings/animations should enhance the experience of a good writing in a porn game. 99,9% of CGI looks absolutely horrible, to the point where it actually sabotages the game, to the point where it would actually be better if it was writing alone and just our imagination. It annoys me, because obviously creators waste a lot of time doing those 3d animations when the final result will not be worth the time, time which they could spend on something else. It's not that I'm opposed to 3D art in porn games, it's just that we don't have the technology to make them look good, that's a fact. So I wonder why so many people, most actually, go for this horrific, plastic, wierd "art" style instead of actual drawings/art, which are both easier to make and more realistic looking.
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                     It says a lot about YOUR standards that you don't mind that the main girl's face and hair change whenever Eva traces a different picture. She can't even give the dude a different dick.
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                     But like you said, this is a quality game with 'actual drawings.'
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                        Because they don't actually make them as far as I know Daz3D models are available on the internet so devs just take them drop them in the software and make renders without having to model the characters themselves.
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                        I would also prefer more games using drawn art because I find it more charming and because the 3D models give me an uncanny valley feel.
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                     Don't let until uncreative daz artists ruin the medium for you. Some create their own models and use their own textures, as opposed to the same basic models in the same basic rooms.
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                        It's not that I'm opposed to 3D art in porn games, it's just that we don't have the technology to make them look good, that's a fact. So I wonder why so many people, most actually, go for this horrific, plastic, wierd "art" style instead of actual drawings/art, which are both easier to make and more realistic looking.
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                     This is wrong in many levels.
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                     . I personally really like how it looks (when done right), and so do others because taste is different for everyone. And most people like it how it is, you're on the minority here.
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                     b) Stating a completely subjective opinion, making a wild and uninspired guess as to why you think that is and saying that it's a fact doesn't make it right. The technology is there, if there weren't we wouldn't see it in movies / cinematics, you just don't like how daz looks.
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                     c) Again going for your subjective views on cgi, but this time you contradict yourself, you underestimate cgi artists and completely disregard what they make and on the other hand you say that it's easier to draw? Not everyone can draw, not everyone can be good at drawing, not the few that are good at drawing want to make 200 high quality drawings a month for a game for 300 bucks. Everyone can use (for better or worse) daz, look at philly games and compare his initial renders to the last ones, the improvement he made is amazing. You should really inquire on how much artist charge for their work.
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                     d) How can you insist on every western 2d artist making stuff that's better than daz when only one of them has some sort of anatomy background? I'm still at a lost on how you can (by what you're saying, not in refference to the games you mentioned) look at
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                        It says a lot about YOUR standards that you don't mind that the main girl's face and hair change whenever Eva traces a different picture. She can't even give the dude a different dick.
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                     No, it actually says a lot about standars of most games if I accept "looking human and anatomically correct" as being good enough. Compared to a shiny plastic doll from daz it is good. That's the whole point, "good" in porn games is not beautiful, skillful, it's "it doesn't make me turn the game off". Most daz games do, I can't fap to them, it's like fapping to teletubbies r34 porn or something, it's so wierd looking. I mean some of those look worse and more primitive than cutscenes from 20 year old video games.  Daz characters look like amateur artist trying to do a cheap 3D model of his favorite botox-addicted bimbo porn star. It has a shape of a human female (more or less) but the actual texture of... everything is so plastic and shiny that I recoil automatically when I see it. It's just silly.
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                     Since most games here are daz, people who can't stand it aren't here, so obviously I'm a minority. But in general population, the part of the population that would potentially really get into erotic games but would laugh out loud if they saw graphics in most...  The reason making erotic games is a niche is because of censorship and so on which scares away AAA industry, but the reason playing them/wanting to play them is a niche also is because there's no good product around. You know there's a MASSIVE potential audience for it. Why isn't it here, right now, browsing, playing?
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                     Seems like I'm agreeing with CarnalCardinal a lot here, Daz could be seen as like a catch-all piece of kit. It attracts a lot of new developers because of it's ease of use, a one stop character render shop and a marketplace. People with no artistic or technical skill use it and make crap. Doesn't mean Daz is bad in any way, or incapable or truly beautiful things, in the right hands. (I do think the actual renderer has it's problems leading to a "Daz" look, where other renderers facilitate more diverse end renders. (Maya/Max/Modo et al) But thats a tangent)
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                     I also think you're conflating realism with style. For me, a consistent and appropriate style is more important than raw realism, that includes 3D renders to writing. Poe has a wonderful style, but he wasn't some language Savant. Eva Kisses Rototscopes have a certain realism to them (After all they are traces of real porn, so everything is always realistically proportioned and includes camera distortion etc) and have a unique style, but the consistency is all over the shop. Something that is not immediately apparent from a couple of screenshots. It still can be immersion breaking when a character features morph from image to image, or you see the same cock again and again.
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                        No, it actually says a lot about standars of most games if I accept "looking human and anatomically correct" as being good enough. Compared to a shiny plastic doll from daz it is good. That's the whole point, "good" in porn games is not beautiful, skillful, it's "it doesn't make me turn the game off". Most daz games do, I can't fap to them, it's like fapping to teletubbies r34 porn or something, it's so wierd looking. I mean some of those look worse and more primitive than cutscenes from 20 year old video games.  Daz characters look like amateur artist trying to do a cheap 3D model of his favorite botox-addicted bimbo porn star. It has a shape of a human female (more or less) but the actual texture of... everything is so plastic and shiny that I recoil automatically when I see it. It's just silly.
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                        Since most games here are daz, people who can't stand it aren't here, so obviously I'm a minority. But in general population, the part of the population that would potentially really get into erotic games but would laugh out loud if they saw graphics in most...  The reason making erotic games is a niche is because of censorship and so on which scares away AAA industry, but the reason playing them/wanting to play them is a niche also is because there's no good product around. You know there's a MASSIVE potential audience for it. Why isn't it here, right now, browsing, playing?
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                     I like how you now use the term potentially, pretty funny since most clickbait "games" that appear in porn sites use these type of renders, so someone made a market study and saw that THAT would sell because people generally would like it.
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                     What kind of censorship are you talking about? The only place I know it's actually censored is russia (saw it in a post here), so censorship isn't the reason aaa induestries don't make porn games.
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                     I don't have any study at hand and if I'm honest I'm not that into throwing down your ever fluctuating arguments enough to look for them, but if you look at your own experience (assuming you're older than the 13 y/o's you complain about), the people who actually game do it until they're 20-25. You always have those who play fortnite / league / overwatch / wow or whatever game is popular, but most the people I know either outgrew it / only played in the first place because they didn't have anything better to do / don't have time anymore.
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                        It seems to me you just don't like 3D or most of the 2D games around here.
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