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                     I don't 100% disagree with that assesment, especially if you only got a short way into the game. The only character that I outright like in the game is Dave, her best friends boyfriend. Nor are you not entitled to still have this opinion. However...
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                     Of the games I have played from the Popular list, I haven't found one that was actually any good. Truth be told though, I haven't tried them all. But the reality is that they are popular only because they came on the scene before the explosion of new porn games we have seen in the past year.
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                        Dating My Daughter - Sometimes she screens as being 13-15, but its a lot more common that she screens as 9-10. See, I personally don't have a problem with jailbait, if that's what the story is, lets go. What I do have a problem with is when the author is so dedicated on making her "innocent" and "young" that he makes her fucking retarded as well.
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                        Agree with most of what was posted here: BB, DMD, DOD (Dreams Of Desire) and the likes... Dreaming of Dana I actually liked despite the grind, no complaints there.
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                        The thing is I actually understand why games like these are popular, some people just want a quick wank or just choose to ignore the bad side because the renders are great, DOD had one of the best renders at the time just like his new game Midnight Paradise. Everything else is not to my liking though.
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                     When many people likes the popular games they are suddenly quick wankers....Ever thought of that every person has a different life story/upbringing.Some may have already gone through different girls,some are very happy in a relationship and some are virgins that look for a way out from their monotonous life.Every persons need and desire from an erotic story is different.If a game is "technically well made" then who am I to judge others about liking a particular story.A glass of water doesn't hold the same value to a well to do person as it does to a man dying in the desert.
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                     I try to play every game(specially using 3d models) from the beginning of this site except some that have particular fetishes I don't like.I don't like to bash anyone about story elements because art is subjective.You didn't like something tell why it didn't work for you but "How can people like this shit....All popular games are crap....People just like to wank....." will only create hatred among one another.
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                     Different VN/Games in this genre are popular for different reasons sometimes... In some cases, it's the fanatical few that keep pushing a VN/Game into the spotlight, that may or may not artificially push a given VN/Game into feeling more popular then it would have been based on it's own merits/deficits...
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                     Dating My Daughter Chapter 1, was one of my first goes at a popular and lengthy Erotic Visual Novels... It was the first time I saw the character model, used for the Daughter... And I had no clue at that moment, how fucking over used that model would become, once the incest gold rush began following this specific VN/Games popularity... Now, all that said, I enjoyed Chapter 1 for the most part, as I am a sucker for any good Romance story... Even if it did include the whole overused Incest theme... But, once Chapter 2 began production, that is when I had to call it off... Chapter 2 felt like it was going backwards... The daughter had already had sex with the protagonist, and the relationship was already becoming deeper and so forth, from all the content and buildup in Chapter 1... So when suddenly the daughter went from being the protagonists new lover, with way more confidence in herself then how she started in the beginning of chapter 1... To suddenly being all insecure about herself and her sexuality again in Chapter 2, I knew from that point forward that this was starting to look like a milk job... By reversing some of that progress made in Chapter 1, the story flow and character development was slowed down (and slightly reversed), in such a way as to feel like it was just a ploy to prolong development... So I stopped following it... So DMD Chapter 1 great, DMD Chapter 2 hated it... The VN had lost it's way and it's mojo...
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                     My Girlfriends Amnesia seemed very popular, even if it used the dreaded RPGM engine... At first I was reluctant to even give it a try, based purely on the fact that I really don't like RPGM based VN/Games... But I wanted to at least give it a go, as I have a tendency to at least give some VN/Games the benefit of the doubt before trying and reviewing them... So I tried it, and of course I didn't like the game play mechanics that are so inherent in a majority of RPG Maker based VN/Games... Yet, I still tried to trudge along... As soon as I saw how over the top and stereo typed the evil twin sister was, I began to get an overall sense that I was probably not going to like how things were going to go for the male protagonist... It was going to be a slow and painful path to subduing or overcoming an over the top twin sister, who had her own evil plans for her sister, that were not always going to mesh with the protagonists plans... So add in the RPGM crap with a confrontational start to the story that would only exacerbate the story progression and game play, I just had to call it quits... An hour into the game and I was done...
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                     Superpowered was one of few VN/Games where at first you like the premise of the story, and it was different from other grinders, during the time it began becoming more popular... How different?  I soon found out... The repetitive grind alongside a social choice puzzle (figuring out the subjects a given character liked or disliked when talking to them), and the huge list of characters, made getting anywhere with a given character, a highly tedious prospect... The length of time it took to get to new or slightly altered content, was a bit ridiculous... Add in all the other grinding elements like certain times at certain locations, along with various stats and other stuff... This game was my first experience with a massively grindy game in this market... After several hours of getting negative numbers with some characters, and barely scratching the surface of anything new, I just had to call it quits and move on... And what was funny, is that Superpowered's social game system has been copied into other VN/Games, due to it's popularity at the time, making them just as bad... Another example where popularity and/or high donation numbers, kicked off a trend amongst some newer developers, trying to ride the coat tails of a more popular title... Some folks are into heavy grinders, but if it's too tedious of a grind, for me it isn't worth it...
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                     And here we go again,anything you don't like is crap.Well many people like NTR.Why is that in every thread this witch hunt against NTR still rages everyday?.Not every people lived the same life as you and some may play this games for different reason.Same for the Devs.NTR is crap.....Nobody loves this crap... etc are paraded as opinions that should be held at a higher realm by some people.Why don't people go to Non-NTR games and demand NTR.I don't like futa but I don't hunt for futa games to bitch about them having futa content and I don't ask why they love this shit.Why should anyone's opinion on a subjective case be more valuable then a opposite opinion on the same subject?
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                        And here we go again,anything you don't like is crap.Well many people like NTR.Why is that in every thread this witch hunt against NTR still rages everyday?.Not every people lived the same life as you and some may play this games for different reason.Same for the Devs.NTR is crap.....Nobody loves this crap... etc are paraded as opinions that should be held at a higher realm by some people.Why don't people go to Non-NTR games and demand NTR.I don't like futa but I don't hunt for futa games to bitch about them having futa content and I don't ask why they love this shit.Why should anyone's opinion on a subjective case be more valuable then a opposite opinion on the same subject?
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                        The subject of this thread is for people to list what popular games they don't like... Some folks just list them, and some folks (like myself) give some of the reasons as well... No one said, anywhere, that you had to agree with any reasons someone gives for why they didn't like a VN/Game... And someone (like yourself) trying to start another thread derailment, because they don't agree with someone's reasons for disliking a VN/Game (which is this threads topic) is counter productive and off topic...
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                     Hence I didn't quote your entire post and I am not looking for thread derailment.Your view on NTR and how it should be perceived by others doesn't warrant a flaw in the game.Maybe I have seen too many NTR bashing lately.Good day.
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                        Hence I didn't quote your entire post and I am not looking for thread derailment.Your view on NTR and how it should be perceived by others doesn't warrant a flaw in the game.Maybe I have seen too many NTR bashing lately.Good day.
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                     Maybe you are reading into it wrong, who knows... Me listing that subject as the reason I didn't like that popular VN/Game, is completely in keeping with the thread subject... At no time did I say that everyone should feel the same way or dislike it for the same reasons as me... We can't have calm discussions, if every time someone had some negative OPINION to say in a thread when it is about negative opinions (that is actually about the dislike of a certain set of VN/Games, in this case Popular ones), and all we did was catch heavy flak for it, every time... Either due to some ones over protectiveness of a given product or theme, or whatever other reason/s... That is the last I have to say about all this...
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                        I got the worst ending I could think of, never touched it again after that. I don't even get why such a terrible ending made it into the Game, nobody could ever like that!
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                     With Dreams of Desire, I liked the first half of it... But for me personally, I ended up quitting shortly after all the holiday jazz was added into the main story line... Mostly because I felt the VN/Game was changing directions and focusing less on the ok story telling, and more so on the porn side... I also didn't like that they were trying to tie in all the holiday stuff into the main VN/Game... For me, regardless of VN/Game, I prefer all that holiday nonsense being either a separate download, or something viewable from the main menu, especially if it has no real bearing on the plot or story telling... Just some pointless holiday masturbation material... I did read they finally began swinging back towards the story side, but I was done with it by that point, and saw no compelling reason to go back... It almost felt like they had sold out to pressure from some paying fans, and deviated too far from where they had gone prior to the pro-porn swing in content... I was already on the fence with some things, and that was the tipping point...
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                     Dual Family, like you I didn't mind it for a while, but then I noticed a pattern where it seemed to just be lingering on pointlessly, like a very long tease, with some characters beginning to be a bit over the top along with a story line that was becoming less consistent, and some pointless updates... It was a very clever idea adding two points of view for the whole thing... Which I really do think, was the only big reason that this VN/Game became so popular... It was a very unique quality you didn't really see much up until that point... But because of varying reasons and excuses, it eventually just ended... I quit playing/reading it before that happened...
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                        The thing is I actually understand why games like these are popular, some people just want a quick wank or just choose to ignore the bad side because the renders are great
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                     Dreaming of Dana is the only game in this list that's good for a quick wank, giving you your first real sexual content on day one at work. Big Brother and most of its contemporaries, Man of the House, newer ones like Cure My Addiction, or even Summertime Saga, have sexual content in spades, but you have to grind for hours and hours before you get there. Moreover, with Big Brother in particular, it's a disappointing experience, as you get 10 renders of Max's Ass as you "fuck lisa in the ass" doggy style. Meanwhile, the first scene in Seraphim academy is a sex scene with 58 of it's 72 frames dedicated to the act itself, constituting multiple positions, different angles, and actually sexy shots. I admit, I haven't replayed MotH, but I don't remember being impressed with it's sex scenes either, though, that could be because while it could be used for a quick wank, if you wanted anything more out of it you had to grind those sex scenes like a chore, making them unenjoyable by default.
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                     No, what made those games popular was the time in which they came out. They didn't have competition. No one was making quality content. I'm known for coming down pretty hard on Life Sims, but I'm all about Harem Hotel and Mythic Manor, and it's not because of Honey Select, it's because the devs put the time and energy into their projects to make them relatable and give a good amount of sexual experience with the only grind being optional content stuff that's still pretty fun to get, and great for that quick wank.
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                        I try to play every game(specially using 3d models) from the beginning of this site except some that have particular fetishes I don't like.I don't like to bash anyone about story elements because art is subjective.You didn't like something tell why it didn't work for you but "How can people like this shit....All popular games are crap....People just like to wank....." will only create hatred among one another.
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                     Art is subjective, but that doesn't mean that there aren't collective realities that make something subjectively bad for the majority. No one watches The Room and says "This is a masterpiece" they watch it and laugh at all the many many things about it that are subjectively bad to our collective understanding of quality. One of those things is believable characters. Big Brother fails heartily in this. Eric is a cartoonishly bad villain, dialed up to 11 with no cause whatsoever. Mom has 3 distinct and never mixing personalities, Eric's depraved whore, the mom who pays you for chores and does yoga with you, and the naive puritan who doesn't realize you're tricking her into satisfying your needs. Alice is a blank slate with her only traits being "I'm better than my brother," and "I don't trust that pervert." It's obvious she was supposed to be the bitchy older sister, like Veronica in Man of the House, or Tracy from Dreams of Desire, but that is never really used. Instead she's just the gold digging whore of the family. And then there's Lisa... Her story is literally about overcoming her aversion to and lack of experience in sex. Every time you take a step forward you have to take two back and convince her again. She doesn't once choose to move forward of her own volition, making you feel like the coercive rapist cornering her till she gives consent. The aunt is just max with a vagina.
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                        Hence I didn't quote your entire post and I am not looking for thread derailment.Your view on NTR and how it should be perceived by others doesn't warrant a flaw in the game.Maybe I have seen too many NTR bashing lately.Good day.
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                     And because it came up, Big Brother is shit at NTR. Sorry to let people in on this, it is not NTR when your mom sleeps with her boyfriend. It's barely cuckoldry when you peek in on them and later are invited to watch, however, since she is not your partner it is not Netorase, because again, you have no claim to your mother. It's also not NTR when your aunt who you all but raped starts having sex with the same boyfriend, even if he blackmailed her with that initial sexual encounter to do it. However, there is one thing in that game that is NTR, the thing is, it's the least sexualized version of it. Max has a relationship with his mother that constitutes a bond of trust that is being broken but it's not a romantic one violated because she's having sex with Eric, but a maternal one because Eric is becoming abusive of max and his mother ignores or outright accuses him of lying and allows the abuse to continue. Thus, she breaks her maternal bond with Max, making him unable to see her as his mother anymore, and NTRing him. If there had been some sort of corruption plot where Max turned his mother away from Eric without getting the mob/sex dungeon involved, that could have been Netori, and thus NTR with Eric as the cuck, but that doesn't happen either, you just get rid of him.
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                        I don't like to bash other developers/artists, but any game that use Daz art and doesn't fix this:
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                        I understand that not all Daz artist can be 3d modellers, but there are tools to try to fix this, or just use other clothes, or just don't make those gigantic breast if they're gonna look that bad. If you don't fix it, it's terrible looking, and a total downer for me. Is also bad that the overall quality of render is pretty good, and find this, this, this... bonerbreaker in the game.
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                        Dreaming of Dana is the only game in this list that's good for a quick wank, giving you your first real sexual content on day one at work. Big Brother and most of its contemporaries, Man of the House, newer ones like Cure My Addiction, or even Summertime Saga, have sexual content in spades, but you have to grind for hours and hours before you get there. Moreover, with Big Brother in particular, it's a disappointing experience, as you get 10 renders of Max's Ass as you "fuck lisa in the ass" doggy style. Meanwhile, the first scene in Seraphim academy is a sex scene with 58 of it's 72 frames dedicated to the act itself, constituting multiple positions, different angles, and actually sexy shots. I admit, I haven't replayed MotH, but I don't remember being impressed with it's sex scenes either, though, that could be because while it could be used for a quick wank, if you wanted anything more out of it you had to grind those sex scenes like a chore, making them unenjoyable by default.
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                        No, what made those games popular was the time in which they came out. They didn't have competition. No one was making quality content. I'm known for coming down pretty hard on Life Sims, but I'm all about Harem Hotel and Mythic Manor, and it's not because of Honey Select, it's because the devs put the time and energy into their projects to make them relatable and give a good amount of sexual experience with the only grind being optional content stuff that's still pretty fun to get, and great for that quick wank.
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                        Art is subjective, but that doesn't mean that there aren't collective realities that make something subjectively bad for the majority. No one watches The Room and says "This is a masterpiece" they watch it and laugh at all the many many things about it that are subjectively bad to our collective understanding of quality. One of those things is believable characters. Big Brother fails heartily in this. Eric is a cartoonishly bad villain, dialed up to 11 with no cause whatsoever. Mom has 3 distinct and never mixing personalities, Eric's depraved whore, the mom who pays you for chores and does yoga with you, and the naive puritan who doesn't realize you're tricking her into satisfying your needs. Alice is a blank slate with her only traits being "I'm better than my brother," and "I don't trust that pervert." It's obvious she was supposed to be the bitchy older sister, like Veronica in Man of the House, or Tracy from Dreams of Desire, but that is never really used. Instead she's just the gold digging whore of the family. And then there's Lisa... Her story is literally about overcoming her aversion to and lack of experience in sex. Every time you take a step forward you have to take two back and convince her again. She doesn't once choose to move forward of her own volition, making you feel like the coercive rapist cornering her till she gives consent. The aunt is just max with a vagina.
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                        And because it came up, Big Brother is shit at NTR. Sorry to let people in on this, it is not NTR when your mom sleeps with her boyfriend. It's barely cuckoldry when you peek in on them and later are invited to watch, however, since she is not your partner it is not Netorase, because again, you have no claim to your mother. It's also not NTR when your aunt who you all but raped starts having sex with the same boyfriend, even if he blackmailed her with that initial sexual encounter to do it. However, there is one thing in that game that is NTR, the thing is, it's the least sexualized version of it. Max has a relationship with his mother that constitutes a bond of trust that is being broken but it's not a romantic one violated because she's having sex with Eric, but a maternal one because Eric is becoming abusive of max and his mother ignores or outright accuses him of lying and allows the abuse to continue. Thus, she breaks her maternal bond with Max, making him unable to see her as his mother anymore, and NTRing him. If there had been some sort of corruption plot where Max turned his mother away from Eric without getting the mob/sex dungeon involved, that could have been Netori, and thus NTR with Eric as the cuck, but that doesn't happen either, you just get rid of him.
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                        ^^ ie most visual novel typed games where the difference (often a dialogue choice) between "correct" and "uncorrect" paths are often completely arbitrary. How are you supposed to guess that clicking on "see you tomorrow for coffee" will bring you on a loosing path with X girl instead of "hey, see you tomorrow for orange juice".
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                     The bad and good ending mumbo jumbo in Visual Novels was actually started by Japanese Hentai Visual Novels, where they wanted to offer some re-playability for their visual novels... So they began offering up bad and good endings more as varying story arcs, and not really as choice punishment... If you look at the history of Japanese story telling, going back hundreds to thousands of years... Many of their fictional stories do not have happy endings... They are intended to teach moral lessons more so then make the readers happy and joyous all the time... That is just part of their culture, which in some ways is reflected in their Visual Novels/Games... Even in western cultures past, many stories told to children and adults, didn't always have happy endings... Look at older nursery rhymes, and you can see that most have tragic endings, because they are intended to teach life lessons and morals, over making everyone feel good all the time...
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                     In western style Visual Novels/Games and in most entertainment industries today, people want some form of happy ending/s, for the most part... But because of how Japanese Hentai VN's sometimes add in bad endings, you get this spill over into the western markets, where developers may want to offer up similar endings... But in many cases, rather then having this lengthy story associated to and leading up to a bad ending, instead they go with quick choice traps... Either in the form of early temptations that lead immediately to a Game Over, or later choices leading to an expedient and unexpected Bad Ending... The western market is much happier with good endings then bad endings... And choice traps tend to have the opposite effect that you get with Japanese Hentai VN Bad Endings... The readers/players typically get either upset and decide to stop playing/reading all together, or they get upset and try to muddle through all the traps, hoping that at some point, they get some happier ending... Of course there are some who don't mind choice traps at all, so you will of course have people perfectly happy either way... But the ones who don't mind them, typically are either uninterested in the story anyway, just wanting to get their jollies, or they are just far more tolerant of the choice trap nonsense...
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                     I remember back in the 80's reading the Choose Your Own Adventure entitled books, and of course they were riddled with choices that lead to abrupt endings... But often times there were subtle hints that tried to steer you away from those bad choices, yet often those same mechanics are not used in the same way, when developers of Erotic/Adult VN/Games offer up temptation based choice traps... Knowing full well, that the choice to go a bit further with a situation, is instead a temptation, that in some cases will lead to immediate disaster... That is not the same as story that hints at a choice perhaps being a bad one, and then presenting a somewhat neutral set of choices (without too much temptation associated to them) that will/may eventually lead to a bad ending down the line, or an eventual game over rather then an immediate one...
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                     Dreams of Desire was the first "popular" game I played. I'd just been introduced to the world of erotica by Dreaming with Elsa and the Elsaverse stories and found DoD, this was long before I came here. For starters it was mainly incest which doesn't do much for me but I can deal with it if I like everything else. Wellllll then I saw the first "animation" (term used very, very loosely) and hated it. I have never played the complete version because those hideous, jumpy, 2 jellyfish fucking by strobelight animations look awful. They ruined every single scene.
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                     Big Brother. Again, if i'm going to play a game with incest, it needs to be spot on. It has one of the most unlikable MC's i've seen with a mother that would have lost her kids years earlier she was that crap of a parent and the rest of the cast was equally shit. The grind was the best thing about the game and I hated that too.
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                     Dating my Daughter. I've tried, i've played the entire first chapter and I really tried but no matter how I try and do things the dad always comes off like he's grooming his daughter and it's creepy as fuck. It's not helped by the fact the daughter comes off like a brain damaged sea sponge. I've seen rocks with more common sense.
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                     Good Girl Gone Bad. I truly respect what Eva has done with the game. It has a lot of depth and choices but very few paths that interest me. I got to play a lesbian, great, immersion time, only the choices were terrible. You've got the personality vortex best friend and the semi attractive blonde that's been pumped with more semen than most porn stars. Now i'm all for women that love sex, I love sex, most women I know love sex but when I pick one of those women to sleep with I don't want to be sucking a months supply of cum out of her vagina when I go down.
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                     A Wife and A Mother. Play as a complete schizophrenic woman that gets all bent out of shape being seen in a bikini ... a fucking bikini. She panics and covers herself up ... she lives in the suburbs, she's not a Mormon ... she pulls her dresses shoulder strap down and shows nothing but still panics. It's some of the absolute worst writing i've ever seen with one of the worst characters i've seen.
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                     Acting Lessons. Drama needs decent pacing or it loses it's impact. By the time the big dramatic event of the story happens we'd already had domestic abuse, arrests, cancer, psycho ex boyfriends and a potential rape. Those all happened relatively close together so by the time the big one came it had less of a shock. It needed a few more updates to pace it out a bit more and build a certain relationship so that impact hit hard. It was drama for the sake of drama and by the end I found it more shit than shocking.
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                     Milfy City. I found it boring. I've said it before but i'll repeat for this, I played Milfy City a few weeks ago and can't remember the name of a single character in it yet i've played games like Last Sovereign with hundreds of characters and they are all memorable. I couldn't find one thing I liked about it.
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                     Generic tropes in incest games. Shower spying (bonus shit stains for shower spying then having the character walk up to the shower to masturbate then act shocked when he's caught). The masturbation scene, watching a kid wank himself off ... fuck of with that shit. Sleep rape, so overdone. Mother seeing sons cock and instantly wanting it like she's never had dick before. Teenage kid with a horsedick and every woman wanting to ride it, as a woman I can tell you that would never happen, too big is painful and not enjoyable at all. 2 sisters, one older and one younger with the older one hating the MS and the younger one loving him.
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                     As with Dreams of desire, any game with those janky shitty animations is an instant delete. If a dev can't animate by all means learn but don't put your learning process in your games. It ruins scenes. There is a reason I don't flick my clit in a rave, it makes me feel sick, strobes aren't sexy.
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                     Moronic women in corruption games. I like women that love sex but watching a woman do dumb shit and get blackmailed by fat ugly cunts is probably the biggest turn off i've ever seen.
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                        Nothing wrong with wanting a bit of realism, we all like a bit of that.
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                        So what you really meant is you prefer games to be realistic unless you like them then it doesn't matter.
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                     I think being realistic is a very subjective word. There are some cultural, environmental, family influence for that. According to my culture I don't think the content in big brother is realistic. It gets so out of the control when you progress ahead. I am not saying other games are 100% realistic, but I feel like it's quite odd, and weird,and thus it makes me not interest to play them. Besides in big brother you are stuck in home in most of the times. I didn't play all the way to end, but in the first part of the game you are like a house prisoner. The only job of you is staying home,  think about sex in the whole day, spy on your own family members, show them to strangers and earn money. What kind of a lifestyle is that? I honestly felt mad at MC than that guy (what was his name? sorry I forgot).
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                     let's see these games, acting lessons, a wife and mother, twits of my life, become a rock star, no more secrets ( this is quite funny too), high rise climb, jessica o neil, high life, my girlfriend amnesia.
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                     Acting lessons game is quite normal. A psychopath falls in love with you, a lost girl and her friend also like you, and there is another girl who is interested in you, but she hesitates to continue when she finds you are interested in another girl, you have a great supportive friend (I know he is black but you can have a bestie in a different race too).  a wife and mother also has a realistic story. It revolves around her family, she has a great family, and a job and she goes everywhere. She faces to a lot of the problems too. twits of my life has a good story too. I am not saying it's great, but it makes really sense, become a rock star has an excellent story, and it's realistic too. You know some men cheat often to their girlfriend, so you can do the same in the game. How odd is it? no more secrets has a bit odd story, but it's not unbelievable. There can be guys like the MC, who was into drugs, and violence, then someone showed up and saved them. I hope you get what I am saying now.
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                     I think I hate to play harem, mind control, too much violent (I gave up playing anna because of this reason, she is often sexually harassed, she has no control over them, and she barely has anyone to support her), hypersexual games. I like when the game revolves around a proper story, and sex spices it up instead of the game revolves around sexual content like big brother. When a game revolves around sexual content it's just a porn not an erotic game, and I don't think I am much into playing porn games. Maybe there can be exceptions, but It's hard for me to explain. I have to explore here more and see what I feel.
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                        a wife and mother also has a realistic story. It revolves around her family, she has a great family, and a job and she goes everywhere. She faces to a lot of the problems too.
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                     Except she doesn't act like an actual human being.
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                     She panics over being seen in a bikini, she panics when she pulls her shoulder strap down even though it shows nothing .... neither of those are things any woman would do. We wear bikini's in public, it's their purpose.
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                        Acting lessons game is quite normal. A psychopath falls in love with you, a lost girl and her friend also like you, and there is another girl who is interested in you, but she hesitates to continue when she finds you are interested in another girl, you have a great supportive friend (I know he is black but you can have a bestie in a different race too).
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                     Yet you can only save one during the big dramatic event, not even close to accurate. Not to mention the girl living with the MC leaves the door unlocked when the police take them away while the abusive dad is outside, something no woman alone would do.
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                     Really?
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                     The guy loses his mother, goes off the rails, turns to drugs, nearly dies, steals from his new family, runs of to Amsterdam, fucks hookers, ends up in jail and goes to rehab. The one person that could have stopped all that was his actual mother who says absolutely nothing because she doesn't want her new man to find out.
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                     He also has a sister that would rather lead him on and get physical with than tell him the truth even though she knows.
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                        become a rock star has an excellent story, and it's realistic too. You know some men cheat often to their girlfriend, so you can do the same in the game. How odd is it?
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                     Yes, they do, and that game has cheat points so cheating on Lisa will ruin the relationship eventually HOWEVER he also sleeping with the girl who lives opposite him, his boss, coffee shop girls, his sisters best friend, maybe the ex and one of his band mates. So he has a harem which is totally realistic amirite?
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                     Which Become a Rock Star and No More Secrets have.
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                     My Girlfriends Amnesia I like but it's as far fetched as a bucket of shit from China. His girlfriends sister has him pretend to be gay while they play incest and he goes along with it. Also that's not how short term memory loss works, that in itself isn't realistic.
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                     Jessica O Neil I like the lesbian aspect of but she's another one that's going to end up fucked by old men because porn.
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                     Again i'm not saying they aren't good, I like a few of the ones mentioned (obviously not acting lessons) but they aint realistic, not even close.
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                     At least there's a leason to learn for future developers. As much as you should stick to your original story and take feedback with a grain of salt, if you feel the need to write a message scolding your audience about how you know better than them after your story direction went to shit during the second to last act, maybe you should have put a little bit more of thought into it.
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                        I'm probably in the 0.1%, but BADIK. The game has some insane production value and everything looks amazing, but after forcing myself to play it 2-3 times I can't connect with the story at all. I like a couple of the girls (Isabella, Maya) but the core narrative about the college life doesn't click on me. I don't understand why and I honestly want to like it, but for some reason I can't. I sincerely hope that in a couple updates that feeling will change, because right now I actually feel bad for not being able to enjoy one of the best VNs ever made.
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                        : Decent, until the dev decided to turn the MC into a grunting frat boy and his sister into a psychopath for some reason. I stopped playing after that fever dream of a party.
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                     I have no issue with these things in a story, the issue comes from the idea that you are justified. The exploitation at the modeling office was defended by this idea that it was your choice but I was following a guide and if I don't pick those choices I don't get to interact with the character.
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                        Summertime Saga,  Man of the House, Milfy City, Dreams of Desire, My Cute Roommate...etc. Any games hat have female model with ridiculous huge tits and ass. Any games that use illusion games honey select assets for render
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                     Can we only pick from the popular list ? Whether it be the one from back when I joined or the current one ? Cause honestly, I go with the flow, half the stuff I see people here shitting on them for is nothing more than nitpicks to me... I think the only two games well now three I have ever hated from the popular list are
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                     1. Dual Family - Jesus Christ this game pissed me the fuck off, it's very rare for a smut game to get me to stop playing due to an overload of anger at how pathetic people with depression can act... All it needed was the family pet to die of testicular cancer, and the family to lose their home and live under a bridge to put the cherry on the shit-cake.
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                     2. Teachers Pet - Compared to the others I have no idea how this one even made it into such a prestigious place... You had one sex scene with the wife who despite being yummy the fanbase hated. Then aside from the sexy romp with that one teacher ONCE, you never got another sex scene for the remaining hours of gameplay... The only girl that got a semi ending was the ugliest one that looked like she had a mouth made of a raccoons ass...
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                     First issue. Coming back from college and not having contact with your family for X time. Right there, that cliche set off a red flag alone. To... a family who focuses on keeping the 'husband' happy while allowing him to do shady shit. Keeping in mind that this is already cliche as fuck we start on the naive younger chick who thinks it's 'cool.' She's okay, but my god could she do with a healthy dose of slapping in the face realism. Older chick who totally doesn't have a crush on the MC despite dating someone whose music she doesn't even LIKE. And finally the landlady of the house. Hates dressing up but never says a word once you get her the outfits, and puts up with your shit without hardly saying anything.
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                     GGGB- I don't usually have an issue with playing as a female protag(not my thing) But I gave this a shot. I really wish I hadn't as everyone's said, Dave is the only true Bro™ there really. Everyone else was a piece of shit or required me to care way too much about them and that just wasn't something I was down for.
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                     Superpowered - Good game, a bit grindy. And my god the faces on the older women could do with a little T&amp;C. Overall, not too many complaints as it's pretty good once you get the psychosis and emotional bs skills, gets way faster.
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                     My New Life Revamp - So, the spelling isn't still 100% and there's currently a shit ton of switching from English to Espanol, but considering the original author isn't the one who's translating to english I can sorta let it slide for now.
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                        Can we only pick from the popular list ? Whether it be the one from back when I joined or the current one ? Cause honestly, I go with the flow, half the stuff I see people here shitting on them for is nothing more than nitpicks to me... I think the only two games well now three I have ever hated from the popular list are
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                        3. GGGB - didn't know this one had hit the list, but it's definitely my third then... As others have already said, it's hard to find likable characters in the game... Dave is the best one, but being I ain't an asshole I tried to save his girl Eva from the shitter and ended up losing Dave... Jessica was decent once Ash had her turn over a new leaf, but no amount of sad backstory makes the Gym celebrity likable, he is trash pure and simple... Don't get me started on the black rapper, he gets pushed so fucking hard on you in every update despite shooting him down twenty times... Then again it's expected since the Dev traces images from blacked.com, so it makes since that jackass is the primary focus.
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                        Honestly despite that rant, I hate games that aren't popular far more... The Tyrant, The Engagement, Culture Shock, Because I Love Her, Katie's Corruption, Wifeys Dilemma, and of course the worst game ever to grace this forum Bully...
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                     Dual Family isnt even a game its a simulation on how to make a customer depressed and have Stockholm syndrome for you
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                     but imo the worst game to grace this forum is Ecchi Sensei due to the story and art style and especially the characters if you played the game you would understand what i mean
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                     by game im a game that has questionable content with actual game play that is somewhat understandable for people to like playing
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                        Okay, so first section is dedicated to Tyrant alone.
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                        Oh boy. One of the first games I ever played that immediately had me thinking "Wow, I immediately want to punch not only every single person in this fucking family's face. I want to do it with a
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                         First issue. Coming back from college and not having contact with your family for X time. Right there, that cliche set off a red flag alone. To... a family who focuses on keeping the 'husband' happy while allowing him to do shady shit
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                        . Keeping in mind that this is already cliche as fuck we start on the naive younger chick who thinks it's 'cool.' She's okay, but my god could she do with a healthy dose of slapping in the face realism. Older chick who totally doesn't have a crush on the MC despite dating someone whose music she doesn't even LIKE. And finally the landlady of the house.
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                        Finally. The fucking old man who's posing to be yo pimp/dad. First off, punch-able face. Secondly, what the fuck is he wearing, no really. I want to know who thought it would be a good idea to put a 60 something looking old man in leather pants and a gay ass cowboy crop top. God all he needs is to have slicked back hair and ass-less chaps and he's ready to throw down at a gay rodeo. Third, he has a
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                        Keep in mind that he's a "Cop" who's undercover but probably secretly on the gang's payroll and as a Yes Man through and through even though he says he isn't.
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                        GGGB- I don't usually have an issue with playing as a female protag(not my thing) But I gave this a shot. I really wish I hadn't as everyone's said, Dave is the only true Bro™ there really. Everyone else was a piece of shit or required me to care way too much about them and that just wasn't something I was down for.
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                     yeah it's true i also like dave path better than other men in the series, they are a group of perv who only see you from your looks and they doesn't value you as a woman they love they treat you like a cum dump, a living hole also for old eric he is a loser and then the dev decide to make him look like a jocks and made him mental improvement in very short time
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                        Except she doesn't act like an actual human being.
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                        The guy loses his mother, goes off the rails, turns to drugs, nearly dies, steals from his new family, runs of to Amsterdam, fucks hookers, ends up in jail and goes to rehab. The one person that could have stopped all that was his actual mother who says absolutely nothing because she doesn't want her new man to find out.
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                        Yes, they do, and that game has cheat points so cheating on Lisa will ruin the relationship eventually HOWEVER he also sleeping with the girl who lives opposite him, his boss, coffee shop girls, his sisters best friend, maybe the ex and one of his band mates. So he has a harem which is totally realistic amirite?
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                        My Girlfriends Amnesia I like but it's as far fetched as a bucket of shit from China. His girlfriends sister has him pretend to be gay while they play incest and he goes along with it. Also that's not how short term memory loss works, that in itself isn't realistic.
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                        Jessica O Neil I like the lesbian aspect of but she's another one that's going to end up fucked by old men because porn.
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                     Lol, sounds like people are being highly defensive of games they like just because someone else doesn't like them for their own reasons... This thread isn't about convincing others to agree with the reasons they didn't like a given VN/Game... It's about listing the popular VN/Games you didn't like and the reasons... Why keep going back and forth, almost like an argument over an opinion... Makes no sense, other then someone being over sensitive to someone else's criticism, just because they don't agree with it... Please stop, before you start derailing the intention of the thread...
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                        I know it's been mentioned already, but I still can't get over the success AWAM has garnered. It's severely lacking in erotic content (this coming from a guy who likes a slow burn), the visuals are nothing to write home about (especially after the dev touted himself as being such an incredible artist, whose work could never be replicated as an excuse not to hire more people), and the writing is beyond laughable. It's truly one of the games that's success legitimately baffles me.
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                     Nothing irks me more then developers with over the top ego's... They are usually (not always) developers looking to get their ego stroked through their products... And Patreon is built to allow ego stroking because of their Mature content setup (only paying donators can fully access a mature content page)… Sometimes you can tell by how their story is told (like constant failed attempts at humor that they probably find hilarious but the readers don't), or in how they sometimes have knee-jerk reactionary outbursts to any criticism (probably due to having an over sensitive ego), or how a few developers promote their own abilities within the games themselves by tooting their own horn (gotta love those), etc... It's worse when a developer strokes their own ego in public, yeah, that's usually when I just walk away from any of their projects...
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                           yeah it's true i also like dave path better than other men in the series, they are a group of perv who only see you from your looks and they doesn't value you as a woman they love they treat you like a cum dump, a living hole also for old eric he is a loser and then the dev decide to make him look like a jocks and made him mental improvement in very short time
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                     When I first tried The Tyrant, and I saw the direction it was going... And how far fetched the family dynamic was, as well as the premise... I mean, what father, let alone family, agrees to do what they are doing ? No one, will never happen, not voluntarily... What father puts their family in that kind of danger? And what family agrees to put themselves in that type of danger just so they can bust some law breakers? And then treats the son like dirt and just expects him to play along? That was when I called bullshit, and stopped playing it... The setup was just too far over the top for me... Perhaps I was a bit over emotional about it, but I can only put up with so much far fetchedness (is that a word?)…
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