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                     My goodness! Thank you! That was definitely that slight push on the back that I needed.
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                     ^ This exactly explains the reason for my hesitation to continue. I didn't want to produce anything less than 100%, but this is definitely encouraging to hear.
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                     ^ This is also, spot on, one of the restraining factors upon me.
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                     Mr. GuyFreely, :'( thank you! I really appreciate your advice.
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                     If I'm honest, I can't write for more than 2-3 hours in any given day, and even then, that's if I'm really clear about what I want. I can sometimes sit down, stare at it for an hour, and have only one good line written, delete the rest, and start over later. I'd love to say that I can rip out a script in a quick 8 hour session, but whenever I push myself I come back and read it later and I'm really not happy with it. I did that with the current script I'm writing, and as a result even though I was confident I had about 40% done pretty early on, I ended up rewriting almost all of it. Like, I had the framework, knew what I wanted, which helps a lot, but the details and how we get from point A to point B, the dialogue, these things take time to really feel out.
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                        ^ Sooo true. My point B right now is so juicy, but my point A on the way there is so bleh. Makes me just want to fill the gap with a "2 years later" segue from SpongeBob lol
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                     That's not 100% a bad idea, I'm not sure what you're doing, but both in this current script, and in the script I've been working on for months that will soon see a first release I've used montages to pass time when there's nothing to fill it, but I want it to be clear that more time has passed.
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                     So these things can still be artful and allow you to build character and interest. Of course, you can't skip everything, but there is a way to flash forward that doesn't feel too out of place, and can even fit in with the storytelling if you know what you're doing.
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                        You just want to get something down so you can start making value judgments on that work and make the big changes early on when they aren't so costly and mistakes aren't hard to fix. That willingness to just jump in, even blindly at times, ought to help a lot with getting over the emotional speed bumps that are always looking to slow us down. If you can foster and embrace a love for experimentation in your work, you will progress a lot faster than you would otherwise.
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                     ^ You know, that sounds like a good idea. It's kinda like sketching before the final work is made clear. Thanks, I'll be sure to try and apply that.
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                        So what I do is have the two of them swap in and out of narrating the montage, and it allows me to cement this idea that they are in fact close twins, finishing one another's thoughts, picking up from where the last one left off and completing the story.
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                     ^ That's a very clever way to achieve the purpose of showing how close they are. Very clear imagery. I've also used small bits of connective inner dialogue between characters, but just for a light touch of comedy.
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                        Yeah I'm not saying write 8 hours a day, I'm saying try not to stop for long periods of time (days/weeks).
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                        It can help to take some time to plan. Start with some big picture goals, then break those down into the sub-goals that you need to hit along the way to reach the main one. Keep breaking them down until they can't be broken down any further. If you do this in a checklist format, then you'll have both a way to keep track of progress and any time you are feeling unsure what to do, you can turn to your list and find something that strikes your fancy and hopefully spurs you on towards some productive work. It doesn't have to be perfect, or even complete, it just needs to remind you of what you've still got ahead and what you've already accomplished. You can keep adding to, removing from and refining your list as time goes on and your project(s) evolve.
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                     Absolutely this, for Seraphim I have an outline I made, that outline details out 12 releases, which is my minimum goal. I can tell already that I'll have to split some of them up, but that's the general goal. Then when I set up to go ahead and make my release, since I'm using ren'py, I label all the scenes I want to do. Then, if I have a really good idea for how to set up that scene I'll write down some opening art direction/narration that primes me so that I know where I'm starting with the scene. Just that alone helps to get my creative juices flowing. Then I try to write at least one scene whenever I set down to write. The last time, I wrote 2. Last week alone I finished like 4 or 5 of them. All because I was feeling good and had the creative juices flowing. I'll probably write another scene today, as ideas are flowing through my brain right now on how to do it right.
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                     1. As GuyFreely said, nothing wrong with small breaks.
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                        Absolutely this, for Seraphim I have an outline I made, that outline details out 12 releases, which is my minimum goal.
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                        Most important thing is - get your fire back. A game without love from the dev is a dead game. Which is why so many dev abandon their game because they started to make the game how the people wanted instead of how they themselves envision the game to be.
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                        4. Watch a movie that is in the same genre as your game. Get some inspiration that will spark that fire.
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                     When I started work on Seraphim, it was a completely different idea. Currently it's a mystery thriller with a really interesting resolution set in a private girls high school. Initially it was college freshmen and the whole story revolved more around Eve justifying her Polyamory than anything of substance. A lot of that is still in this though. Eve is still very polyamorous, all for the same reasons as well. The characters didn't change much either, though changing it to a private high school and creating the scholarship for a seniors only program allowed me to better realize certain things that were set up in that initial story. But other things, like Luke, the boy who Eve may or may not have lost her virginity to (depending on whether you let it happen or not) is completely new, something I had to add to avoid exposition dumps, but adding him ended up really working into my larger plot in fun ways.
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                        I use to be a surfer (hey brah like totally dude).
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                        I surfed for 18yrs and in that period I got burnt out of too much of a good thing. I left it for a year. One day i got my mojo back.
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                        So what I'm saying is take a break and don't feel guilty. It happens and it will pass. IF it does not your still alive so life is good.
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                     ^Wow! Just last night, after some reflection from the previous posts, I also came to see subtle attachments of trying to fulfill other's expectations. The moment I dropped it, I was able to keep going with as much zest as before. Just now, after I read through your guy's reaffirmation and delivery of that point, it just completely blew my mind, because it made me realize that I was unconsciously doing that in other areas of my life, too. Thank you guys, sooo much. You don't even know, how serious I am. I never expected to find such great sparks of wisdom in this forum for adult games LOL A huge thanks to you guys, and the previous posters as well, for shedding light on my unconscious limitations.
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                     OK, so I can't call myself a game developer yet (you usually actually have to release a game for that), but I do concur with what the others have said, there's a lot of good advice here.
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                     The thing you just said about other's expectations...
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                     Letting things/situation/people pressure you into doing something, well some people thrive on that, others deal with it, and for some it just really throws off your mojo.
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                     Just remember it's your story and your vision, and not anyone else's.  Sure, if you have a Patreon, etc. there will be people asking for things, and of course if you've promised and are falling short that can be an issue, plus keeping the revenue up can be a source of stress...
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                     In these situations, just don't over-promise and work at the speed you are comfortable at.  And yeah, don't be afraid to mix things up a bit, or to take a breather if needed.  And remember that that speed may vary from day to day.  Sure, you want to keep moving forward, just don't fall into the trap of setting high targets here.
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                     And, if you got into the making games thing mainly for fun, well you want to keep it fun.  That's where getting occasionally sidetracked doing slilly renders  or just being goofy to break up the monotony can help.  Once it becomes a grinding job, yeah that's when the soul sucking begins, so you need to find your own balance here...
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                     Of course, I am quite a bit slower than others here r.e. generating content, but once I realized that cranking out dozens of renders a day/week wasn't for me, and accepted that... well I took a long breather and then eased my way back into things, and I'm much happier now.
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                     It's your vision, that you've chosen to share with others, so don't be afraid to do things your way.  Sure, there will be critics out there (there always are), and constructive criticism can help, but trust your own instincts and vision, and make it your own.
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                     Sure, learning and improving as you go along is a good thing, but don't let you trip this up.  As uradamus mentioned above, don't be afraid to make mistakes, and (adding to that) everything doesn't have to be perfect all the time.  Sure, fix the obvious mistakes, but sometimes you can let a little thing or two go, or just 'fix' it in post with Photoshop or whatever.
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                        As a game dev you are wearing many hats. You are a programmer, artist, marketeer, community outreach, CEO etc. When you get burnt out on one thing, tackle another. Even better, switch jobs before you become sick of one aspect of it.
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                     Sorry to comment on old post, but in my active days as "professional slave" (3D animator worker
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                     ) , pack your main project/job, side project and future-in-planing project only in Monday to Friday. Use Saturday &amp; Sunday fully for taking break, or any day you choose if you're not office worker ... just plan 5 days to work and 2 days for total relaxation in a week. You don't want your client to get angry nor your body &amp; mental condition to betray you in the daily routine.
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                     In another case, if you're became stuck up with the current project because of losing fresh idea &amp;/or getting bored ... better than "taking a break", just rush it and finishing it. Take the shame and eat it, like Big Brother's Dark Silver. Better to it than "On-Hold" to eventually "Abandoned". It's your reputation who's in question, and bad habit ... once you do one, you'll have a chance of repeating it.
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                     Like I mention "Been there, done that" ... in my case, I'm not game developer tho, my boss accept me back to the team after 3 weeks taking break. My first mistake was to finish the project quickly so I can relax later far before the deadline ends ... but forcing your body only result your body will betray you in the end. Second mistake was coming back to my old job and it still working the same project. I have to re-adjust for everything and in result, I'm slowing down the progression, passing deadline and bad reception from the client.
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