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                        Patreon has a deal with Paypal it seems. It is PayPal's fault that we are no longer allowed to do incest, non-con, or bestiality on the platform, however they are allowing the rest... for now.
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                        There are options, tipping services, like Buy me a Coffee, for instance, don't appear to ask any questions or raise any eyebrows, yet, however, the new american laws surrounding sex workers might change that as we move forward. In a misguided attempt to crack down on sex trafficking they made it so that they can hold the platforms liable if they're enabling this activity. Of course this only makes it easier for traffickers to take advantage of girls, by removing their safer alternatives on the internet, and pushing them further into seclusion. But that's another discussion entirely.
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                        I'm currently holding out hope for "
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                     Interesting. I remember someone coming to the discord with a similar site. However people didn't trust it and I think it's pretty much dead now, unless it's the same one.
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                     One of the major problems was that the payment provider took a way bigger cut, as per usual with such that accept adult content.  Bloo posted an interesting article on that matter, that even big pornsites face. In essence it was a lot of wife sees a dubious payment made on the bank account, husband says I didn't do that, calls the bank and they do a chargeback. So most payment providers refuse to accept porn money, because they don't want to deal with that. That's when porn sites have to direct their attention towards other payment providers who take 30% cuts instead of 3% and accept that kind of content. Of course this is just the short version and the article bloo linked was way more detailed.
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                     It would be nice if people will actually use the service you linked, but I wouldn't keep my hopes up. Successful creators have a big crowd on patreon and I'd imagine only a fraction of those patrons are willing to switch over to a new service, that hasn't established itself yet. Especially if it takes a bigger cut.
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                     Ahhh and they of course open up with "freedom of speech" and freedom of creators, and that "Ko-fi must be a place open to all audiences"
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                     yeah sure, that makes sense. Or no, wait a second, it doesnt make sense.
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                        Care to back that statement with some facts concerning this particular situation?
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                        For all we now it could have been Goldman Sachs or even Trump himself. Them preparing to change payment processor to the UK one is more probable reason than the one you gave.
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                        The only deal I can recall, that is public knowledge, is the one they made with Braintree (Paypal's subsidiary) back in 2015 (or was it 2016) about how " We are proud to welcome adult creators on our platform."
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                     Yeah, because they're gonna come right out and say it, that would totally make their much more powerful payment provider happy, pointing the finger like that. All the data points to either PayPal, or their more recent investors, many of which are also financial institutions. So yes, its possible, though not likely, that it's coming from another financial institution. Beyond that, there's the question of whether or not the moral policing of the Trump Admin has anything to do with it, but, most of that happened after the rule change. What many are saying caused Patreon and it's interested partners to react so harshly was the recent purge they did following the discovery of fringe racist groups using the platform to fund things like stopping refugees from making it to Europe. The running theory, as a result, is that this microscope exposed those of us who were making more fringe content that made Paypal or investors freak out.
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                     As to the "moving to the UK" thing.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Why the fuck would you go somewhere with higher taxes? Seriously. Amazon paid 0 in taxes last year, and they weren't the only ones. No financial company is going to move to the UK.
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                        Interesting. I remember someone coming to the discord with a similar site. However people didn't trust it and I think it's pretty much dead now, unless it's the same one.
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                        One of the major problems was that the payment provider took a way bigger cut, as per usual with such that accept adult content.  Bloo posted an interesting article on that matter, that even big pornsites face. In essence it was a lot of wife sees a dubious payment made on the bank account, husband says I didn't do that, calls the bank and they do a chargeback. So most payment providers refuse to accept porn money, because they don't want to deal with that. That's when porn sites have to direct their attention towards other payment providers who take 30% cuts instead of 3% and accept that kind of content. Of course this is just the short version and the article bloo linked was way more detailed.
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                        It would be nice if people will actually use the service you linked, but I wouldn't keep my hopes up. Successful creators have a big crowd on patreon and I'd imagine only a fraction of those patrons are willing to switch over to a new service, that hasn't established itself yet. Especially if it takes a bigger cut.
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                        Hello everyone, Sponsorion Team here.
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                        This week we’ve decided to dive more into where things are with respect to our launch. Earlier this year we ran into several unexpected complications that set us back a few months, but we’re now on track to complete the site in time for a Fall 2018 launch. We often receive emails from creators interested in the site, and wanted to cover some of the most frequently asked questions here, specifically those involving pledges and payouts:
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                         Who pays the fees?
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                        - Like our competitor, we’ll be taking the transaction fees from the pledged amount (so if a sponsor pledges $1, they pay $1 and the fees are taken from that). Batch processing will be used to reduce the total cost, for sponsors pledging many creators.
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                        - We’re in talks with EmerchantBroker, a very well-reviewed payment processor that specializes in ‘high-risk’ processing. For those unfamiliar with the terminology, “high risk” includes adult content which is exactly the kind of processing we need.
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                          - EMB’s initial rate is 3.95% + 0.35c. Over time this will be reduced to 2.95% + 0.35 which is nearly identical to Paypal (2.9+0.35c). The total payment processor fee for us will be 3.95% + 0.45c due to an additional 10c surcharge to use their payment portal technology. Developing our own international-transaction-capable payment portal tech, at this point, would cost roughly 40 times as much as the rest of the site combined.  Future implementation, however, could reduce fees in the future.
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                         Will we be able to handle Vat?
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                        How will payouts to creators be handled? - We’re currently planning on using ACH bank services directly. That’s generally what all the major payout companies do, they’ve just streamlined the process. This means that payouts will be made a few days after the start of each month. Although there are ways we could ensure rapid, any-time payouts from the get-go all of those ways involve fees much higher than the tiny amount banks charge to move the money. Once our company is larger we’ll be able to automate this regardless, even if we have to set up our own system to do it, but at our current size direct ACH appears to be our best option. We’re still looking into this, however; if we can find a service with a rate comparable with Payoneer/Stripe/etc, that explicitly states they are happy to work with adult content, we will use it.
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                         Will you accept Paypal?
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                        – No. Paypal is extremely hostile to adult content creators, it took our competitor years of operations to get them on board and we don’t know what concessions they had make to Paypal to be acceptable.
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                     Okay, the only concern remaining would be, that the biggest patreons may not settle over, because that would mean losing their patreons. Unless they decide to use both services. Most of them already make patches for their games anyways, so it wouldn't be difficult to release the incest/bestiality/non-con version on one platform and the safe for patreon version on the other I guess. I'll be keeping an eye out on this for sure.
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                        Okay, the only concern remaining would be, that the biggest patreons may not settle over, because that would mean losing their patreons. Unless they decide to use both services. Most of them already make patches for their games anyways, so it wouldn't be difficult to release the incest/bestiality/non-con version on one platform and the safe for patreon version on the other I guess. I'll be keeping an eye out on this for sure.
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                     I wouldn't suggest doing it like that, since Patreon has a habit of finding you on other platforms to make sure you aren't hiding something from them. I believe one came to a creator with a screenshot from something like SVScomics asking if they were sure they couldn't get them to change that, to which the creator responded, something along the lines of, "No, I'm actually making a DMCA claim against them since they are pirating my work and profiting from it." I actually wanna say it was
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                        Okay, the only concern remaining would be, that the biggest patreons may not settle over, because that would mean losing their patreons. Unless they decide to use both services. Most of them already make patches for their games anyways, so it wouldn't be difficult to release the incest/bestiality/non-con version on one platform and the safe for patreon version on the other I guess. I'll be keeping an eye out on this for sure.
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                     Patreon is lately not to happy about such things.
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                        I wouldn't suggest doing it like that, since Patreon has a habit of finding you on other platforms to make sure you aren't hiding something from them. I believe one came to a creator with a screenshot from something like SVScomics asking if they were sure they couldn't get them to change that, to which the creator responded, something along the lines of, "No, I'm actually making a DMCA claim against them since they are pirating my work and profiting from it." I actually wanna say it was
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                        Patreon is lately not to happy about such things.
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                        Patreon is lately not to happy about such things.
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                     That isn't actually such a bad idea, give your patrons a heads up in private through discord or something, quietly move to Sponsorion and ask any who are willing to follow you there, and then refocus your Patreon to something banal, like erotic art.
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                        I just can't imagine the big ones earning 5k+ a month switching over then. At least not in the first year or so. Just imagine you have 2000 patreons totalling in 10k$ a month. The risk of losing the patrons would just be way too high to me (If I was said patreon) to do that. That being said, we may see a wave of new devs using that site to begin with, which could be great. Like I said, definitely something to your eyes out for.
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                        I agree, there's no reason to think that they would. But they also don't have to for it to work. It's more about the people starting new games, or who have already been kicked off Patreon, like Dots and Dark Silver, who would be able to revive BB and DmD's funding.
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                     You're really making it hard for me to keep rooting for the site's success when you threaten me with the revival of BB
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                        You're really making it hard for me to keep rooting for the site's success when you threaten me with the revival of BB
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                     I do wonder about that myself. It shouldn't matter, but corporations are gonna be corporations.
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                     As to the revival of BB, I'm not advocating for it as a good game, just as good publicity for sponsorion to the far too many people who appreciated it.
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                        As to the "moving to the UK" thing.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Why the fuck would you go somewhere with higher taxes? Seriously. Amazon paid 0 in taxes last year, and they weren't the only ones. No financial company is going to move to the UK.
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                     Well, they actually started using a bank system located in the UK, and that caused a LOT of problems during this month payouts, as a lot of CC blocked the payments and resulted into a lot of "declined pledge" at the start of the month.
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                     Oh, and btw, the UK is even Worse regarding porn material...so.... "WINTER IS COMING"
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                            I remember someone coming to the discord with a similar site. However people didn't trust it and I think it's pretty much dead now, unless it's the same one.
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                            One of the major problems was that the payment provider took a way bigger cut, as per usual with such that accept adult content.  Bloo posted an interesting article on that matter, that even big pornsites face. In essence it was a lot of wife sees a dubious payment made on the bank account, husband says I didn't do that, calls the bank and they do a chargeback. So most payment providers refuse to accept porn money, because they don't want to deal with that. That's when porn sites have to direct their attention towards other payment providers who take 30% cuts instead of 3% and accept that kind of content. Of course this is just the short version and the article bloo linked was way more detailed.
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                     I think that was "adultpledge", and ye, it seems quite dead; there are jus a couple of project on there, all with zero backers. Not to mention their fee was something like 0.65$ + 10%, and that would've cut out 1$ pladges ( which a lot of patrons use). If I remember well, they were looking to something more..."affordable"...
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                        Hmm... Maybe it was the Perverted Hotel Dev then... You both got active on discord around the same time.
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                     My game is free, but if someone finds a way to profit off my work it's okay. I'm a migrant farm laborer so I'm used to it. As long as I can keep affording my avocado toast, I'm Gucci.
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                     This has been mentioned in another thread, but one of the reasons why you are seeing pushback from Paypal, etc. is that the major credit card companies (MC, Visa, etc.) have additional fees they like to impose on porn related content, due to the additional chargebacks, etc. that they claim come from these transactions.
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                     Other than the pressure from religious types issue (and the laws that result from that), I think they could come up with a new payment tier for Adult content easily enough if they wanted to, and bank a bit more money in the process, but then I'm not on the board of directors of any of those companies.
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                     For me this is the same as everything else in the past that got beaten down due to overzealous religious idiots and media.
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                        Well, they actually started using a bank system located in the UK, and that caused a LOT of problems during this month payouts, as a lot of CC blocked the payments and resulted into a lot of "declined pledge" at the start of the month.
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                     That thread makes it clear that it was all speculation. It also makes it clear that UK has no more censorship than the US with regards to content. Anne'O'nymous literally said the same thing I did. I was a part of that thread.
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                        Well, it appears somewhat verified that they moved out of the US, since some people have said that their US patron's credit card got locked due to unexpected out of country transactions.  (I don't have a big enough sample size to determine if this is merely coincidence, but all of the problems like this that I've seen reported were for US patrons.  If anyone has other information, please correct me.)  That said, I haven't seen
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                         their Terms of Service
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                        page), so I'm not able to find out much about them.  They do appear to allow adult content (
                        <a class="link link--external" href="https://hutt.co/funsizedasian" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">
                         one example
                        </a>
                        and
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                     Interesting, I still can't find any evidence that this actually happened, again, all of their career postings are in San Francisco still, in multiple areas. Braintree and PayPal haven't moved either. Could be that they used a server farm over there, but not actually moved the company.
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                        OK, so if I understood that Patreon form letter correctly, they ADDED a payment processor in the UK, they didn't switch to one.  Which means that UK based Patreon accounts can process payments on their home turf, without invoking transfer fees, etc. but that other payment processors are still in place.
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                     reading into it a bit more though, "saved thousands of creators" seems to imply that the processor they added might cover something more specific, could it be PayPal and Braintree decided to pull out from the porn? Or maybe it was specifically the adult creators who are more sex workers? Since the new US law would have required more purging?
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