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                     I am struggling with trying to decide if the default names for the characters should ALSO be used. My desire to change the names, is due to the fact that the stories are not similar. However, for familiarity, I was wondering if I should retain the original "English variations", of the names. Max, Alice, etc...
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                     At the moment, I am doing the hardest part. Making the characters with selectable relations.
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                     Before I begin my story, I should tell you a little bit about the people I am living with.
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                     [Eric]{Change name}, is the head of the house...
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                     You see, this information will be used to set-up the initial details of the story and will also be used to add the desired flavor to the situations that arise. Thus, the "Affairs" part of the remastered title. Yes, you can go full twisted, with Eric, Anne and Kira being brother/sister/sister, as well as Alice, Lisa and Max being sister/sister/brother. {Insert banjo-music here}
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                     For those without the incest-relations, they can all be unrelated to one-another. However, in this version, Eric is always married to Anne. He is the focus of the story/game. While Max will remain the critical protagonist. (The non-related variation has them as foster-care and the aunt as a "friend of Anne and/or Eric", while the two girls can be part of the care, or exchange-students. They will all have an excuse for codependency on Eric, the house and the income provided.)
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                     Max's story is what changes the most, besides Eric's long-term role-change. His fear is not boot-camp, it is the government, and a little bit of Eric. He has Max on a tight leash, due to his "situation", which is what made him forced to return to this home. (He gets into trouble, while training in boot-camp, which he volunteered for. Resulting in something to the equivalent of a Hollywood luxury "house arrest", without the ankle-bracelet. He has to try his hardest not to piss anyone off, who might tip the scales on his lenient arrangement. Thus, placing him into military-custody and/or military-prison.)
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                     Why, when you will do all the work with new story and relationships and and and, don't you develop also new characters?
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                     Max: "Why use the existing art?"... Because that is half the battle... Including the "fan art", which extends the game, which will also include my own renders. (It, quite honestly, isn't stealing, when it is "given away" for free. However, it is a form of plagiarism! But so is "big brother". There is nothing new in there, except the renders, as a whole. I am not going to get into the question of whether or not the artist actually paid for the rights to the models and materials he used.
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                     Mostly though, it is because there is nothing wrong with the renders. They are damn near perfect. (Except for Max's greyish hair, funky penis-skin and off-color body-skin.) The "non-incest" version, is the main reason I am making this. Using concepts that I created for my own stories. The poor translation and horribly unbelievable story, is why I MUST make it a conversion into another game.
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                     I couldn't re-write the original, and have it make sense, because I can't understand how unbelievably off-the-wall it is... {Max fears boot-camp, as a reasoning for doing all/any-of Eric's bullshit. One phone-call to the cops and Eric would be wrecked. Besides, it's boot-camp! Maybe boot-camp in Russia is a tough thing... Here, in America, it's like summer-camp, with hazing. We fear Cops, not boot-camp...}
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                     Plus, when it comes to incest, few people like the whole "fuck everyone you are related-to", concept. Since you KNOW you will be doing that, in my conversion... It is better to let them pick the relationships of those they will be forced into interacting with. (I may even make it like a hidden feature, for those who don't want others to find this game in their possession, defaulting to incest as the base-game. I know many who won't support it, because it is an incest game and they don't want that stigma attached to their credit-card transactions.)
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                     However, in the game, you will be focusing on getting rid of Eric... He is still a fucking prick in my version, no matter what his relationship to the other characters. Much is similar, due to the fact that it has to be bound to the renderings.
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                     I may also be adding my own "style" to the game. Since I am not using the same game-engine. I actually have a greater set of easy image-effects available to me. Including image-manipulation which is difficult to do in that game-engine. It will be more of a visual-novel/game, not just a game.
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                     I promise, you will enjoy it... or you will let me know if you don't!
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                     P.S. The entire "preview concept, conversion game", will be low-quality and 720p, so that it will be fast to download and not be much of a "thievery", until I can get explicit blessings from those who have a need to offer it.
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                     Decided to use the title, "Torrid Affairs", since the word "summer", seems to be over-abused, at the moment. Plus, it felt more appropriate to the new story-line, so far.
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                     Renamed about 300 of the 1000+ images, suited for easy identification, without looking at them.
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                     I have the outline for all the "relations" possibilities. Not doing the math, but the potential unique variations is in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of potential combinations. Thank computers and if-statements for handling all the intricate guts of that mess!
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                     Generally speaking, you can select the relation of
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                     * If I put an option to have someone related to the {Aunt}... Toying with that at the moment.
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                     Various responses...
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                     I can't... You are
                     <u>
                      Ann's best friend
                     </u>
                     .
                     <u>
                      She
                     </u>
                     will kill me if she finds out...
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                     I can't... You are
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                     .
                     <u>
                      She
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                     will kill me if she finds out...
                     <br/>
                     I can't... You are
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                     </u>
                     !
                     <u>
                      Mom
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                     will kill me if she finds out...
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                     I can't... You are
                     <u>
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                     </u>
                     ...
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                     I can't... You are
                     <u>
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                     </u>
                     ...
                     <br/>
                     I can't... You are
                     <u>
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                     </u>
                     ...
                     <br/>
                     I can't... You are
                     <u>
                      my sister
                     </u>
                     ...
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                     <br/>
                     Not every string of dialogue will be identified like above. Just enough to sustain the desired taboo. As well as isolated "additions" of dialogue, unique to being your Mom, Dad, Aunt, Sister, etc...
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                     <br/>
                     There will also be an option to make Lisa as "your twin sister", or not...
                     <br/>
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                     At the moment, I am writing this as 100% unrelated bonds. The following revision may include the similar relationship bonds. (With the change of Eric as Ann's husband and both of them as the sibbling's parents.)
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                     Here's the reason I ask: if the goal is to get rid of him, maybe the relationship might be better if Ann and Eric are simply significant others, or boyfriend / girlfriend.  I mention this because if you're going with a whole variable relationship system where Ann and Eric can be brother / sister to each other, then it throws into question how they got married.  Further are Alice, Lisa, and Max the children of Eric / Ann ?  Is Max's distaste for the house arrest jailor that is Eric SO great he's willing to get his father kicked out of the house / break up his parents marriage?
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                     It stretches the plausibility a little bit if Eric is the biological father of anyone in the house, and stretches it even further if there is an actual marriage to Ann.
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                     I think that you also open yourself up to greater story telling possibility if you set up that they have a strong non-marriage relationship at the outset of the game, but discover cracks in the relationship.  Cracks you use to drive a wedge between Ann and Eric.
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                     Eric is Max's father.  Eric and Ann are high school sweethearts, and have rediscovered each other after each of them had a failed marriage.  Kira is Ann's best friend.  Lisa and Alice are foster children that Ann takes care of.
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                     Eric is Max's father.  Eric and Ann are cousins, and are living in sin after each of them had a failed marriage. Kira is Ann's sister (Eric's cousin).  Lisa and Alice are Ann's daughters from a previous marriage, so only step sisters to Max.  This would be 'soft' incest, because obviously any girl / girl stuff would be incestuous, but any max / girl stuff wouldn't be.
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                     Max and Lisa are twins, the children of Ann, along with her other daughter Alice.  Kira is Ann's sister, and Max's aunt. Eric could be related to Ann, but probably should not be the father of any of the three children.
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                     At the moment, the three non-elders of the household can be... Fostered or technical-relation, semi-related or related. (All except Max), can be an exchange-student.
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                     How do brother and sister get married? Illegally, or just a social bond. Marriage is NOT only "legal" and/or "religious" bonds. However, I plan to take the technical-legal way into this.
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                     Poor state records and divorces with adoptions can easily "hide" the fact that there is any "blood relation". Several people have been married, who are blood-related family.
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                     Mother marries her daughter and her son.
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                     Yes, for the story, it is required. Even if related, honestly, Max is as much of a swine. (He is fucking everyone in the household.)
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                     You will have no problem hating Eric, when you see how much MORE of a prick I made him. Remember, Max is eventually going to be fucking EVERYONE in the house, except Eric.
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                     If I made him, "just a guy with Ann", it would degrade the story, a lot. (Unlike the "Big Brother" story, this one has believable content that makes sense, at every step of the way.) Unfortunately, it is hard to portray that, without portraying that.
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                     Well, without actual copyrights, anything in, "The public access", for more than a year, is beyond any copyright protections. If you want to get technical, you also have to have a copyright in each country that you want protection from. That is why you can't copyright a bible. I don't think that copyrights will be an issue. I plan to get any appropriate "blessings" (permissions), from the available contributing artists.
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                     "Big Brother", is copyrighted in America and in many other countries. It is a television show about a bunch of people all living in the same house, under surveillance by hidden cameras. (Sound familiar? I doubt I will be perused, in any event. Still, I plan to honor the creators of all contributions.)
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                     Again, taking note that the game is "free to the public", which includes the artworks within. I am not just ripping the game and slapping a link back to my patreon-account as the "creator" of the original game. I am not using any of his written content. Not using the same game-engine. Not using the same game-elements. Just the art, which may still be modified, or eventually recreated completely. (Though, if that happens, then all links back to "big brother" would be removed, which would be a loss for him and a gain for me.)
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                     Again, I will cross that bridge when I get there. I am not near the bridge yet.
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                     P.S. I am also going to be WAAAAAY behind him, in development. I have a strange feeling that he will be adding a LOT more people and possibly bringing-back the real father, into the story. He seems to be building forwards and backwards at the same time. Something I do myself. I am trying to pre-calculate for that too, a little.
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                     - - Siblings are... Eric and Anne's children.
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                        love the idea, ... also eric is going to be my father? that explains why i hate that guy a lot :FeelsBadMan:
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                     I loved having Eric as the bad guy... Having him related to Max, in my opinion, helps explain the conflict and also the animosity. (Willingness to sustain a certain level of creeping, from him, and with him. Before you do your own thing, when he invades your own comfort/conquests.)
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                        Max: "Why use the existing art?"... Because that is half the battle... Including the "fan art", which extends the game, which will also include my own renders. (It, quite honestly, isn't stealing, when it is "given away" for free. However, it is a form of plagiarism! But so is "big brother". There is nothing new in there, except the renders, as a whole. I am not going to get into the question of whether or not the artist actually paid for the rights to the models and materials he used.
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                     Release it as a mod and not a standalone game, credit the original author and don't change the title unless you add something like 'A Big Brother mod' to it. Anything else is too shady in my opinion because right now it is to close to the original. It actually doesn't matter if Big Brother is already a rip-off or not.
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                     Something that might be fun for Eric, if you wanted to stay somewhat close to the original story, would be to flip things around a bit.  The son/mc develops a relationship with mom and family first, then figures out that she's working for a rather well off single guy.  The family is falling behind on bills, so they agree to seduce said guy to improve the financial situation.
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                        For the initial launch, there will only be two possible options...
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                        Related and Unrelated. (All or nothing)
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                        - - Aunt is... just a "Best Friend".
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                        - - Siblings are... Max = Fostered, Sisters = Exchange-students.
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                        - - Aunt is... Ann's sister.
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                     I think this is probably the best choice.  TBH my head was spinning with the combinations with unlimited user potential to generate familial (or non familial) connections between the characters.  From a story telling POV, it might be simpler to just have a related/unrelated option.
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                     The ability to rename and set relations would be more for those who want to see a specific arrangement that would normally require a whole rewrite or a mod... Certain dialogue will open-paths with some genetic relations that would not make sense otherwise. Like with twins vs normal bro-sis...
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                     Some people just don't want to think about fucking mom... or aunt's... or sisters... all at once. Baby steps there... Not going to totally smother the readers with millions of possible role-play options. Just a few of the highest in demand. The rest I will let modders play with.
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                     In relation to playing the story... Should this have a time-base form of advancement, like the original game. That is kind-of a love-hate relationship for me. However, I think I may be able to reduce some dead-space. (When there is nothing to do, it auto-advances until there is a potential to do something.)
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                     Otherwise, it will be more like a story. Things will take time to do, but you will not be looking all over the house for things to do. It will simply lump all actions into one area. Grouped by the characters, not grouped by room-locations. They are, where-ever they are, when doing that action.
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                     I almost had a little panic-attack, reading the latest notice about Patreon's over-zealous enforcement of, "suggestively incestual content". (Failing to follow their own guidelines themselves. Allowing "Game of Thrones" {Brother/sister incest}, and "Lolita" {portrayal of a minor having a sexual affair with an adult}, but suspending others with the same content.)
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                     Then I remembered... I'm not posting this on my Patreon.
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                     However, I do have to remove similar potential conflicts with my existing page. Bummer... That was one reason why I went there. For the honoring of artistic freedom of speech, as it is protected by the supreme-court.
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                     Killing kids and adults, in literature and games... totally fine... But, go fuck your third-cousin, or sister... or have a minor pleasing another minor in a story, and all hell breaks loose.
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                     Just finished the "Classes", for the characters. This is what manages and tracks each characters relation from one to the other. Still, the only prefab options are "no relation" or "fully related", at the moment. Just so I can test the code/writing at both ends of the spectrum.
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                     Next comes the texting of the "Hourly game-play", versus the typical, "Limited action hopping", which is what most visual-novels tend to use. (Like DarkSilvers "Big Brother" style of play, versus MrDots "Dating my daughter" style.) Though, I intend to make the other style play kind-of like "Big Brother", just with less grinding and dead-clicks for advancement.
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                        Patreon seems fine for you as it's barely incest at all if you pick no relation. It's only about the worlds you put on your main page and your reward system. BB is BB but your mod doesn't really have to be afraid of anything so keep it up man.
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                     I was actually talking about my two other games... Not the conversion.
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                     I had a video which was posted, which had mention of incest and potential under-age content, as being "possible", within the final production. But, that was more for the mods, and less for the original creation. Still... Better to cover my ass from the start.
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                     This is the story, as it stands so far... (Generic overview, not ready for posting to the main-post yet.)
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                     Starts with a quick overview of MAX... How he got booted from boot-camp, for playing a joke that exposed a visiting "Commanding Officer", as being a lover of underage boys. Adding that he is now on a form of "Hollywood house-arrest", thanks to Eric knowing the prosecutor for Max's case. (Eric makes it look like he did Max a favor, but later-on, you find-out he was actually trying to avoid a possible investigation into his own actions.)
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                     Then a selection for setting the "Family relation" and the "characters names"... {Fully related = Mom, Dad, Aunt, Older-sister, You, Younger-sister.} [Unrelated = Guardian-Female, Guardian-Male, Best friend of Anne, Exchange-Student Girl 1, You Foster-child, Exchange Student Girl 2]
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                     So... With the above things done, it goes into playing the game.
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                     Max, defiant of his situation, has "stepped-out" of the house, and returns to find Eric at the house. (Slightly suspicious, as he should be at work. Claims that he forgot something, and he will talk with Anne, once he gets home.)
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                     Off the bat, you get the chance to snoop around the house a bit, before Anne comes home. There are a few things to find, but it is not clear what they are for, at first. (As game-items, or as things to interact with.) While snooping, Kira comes home first, for introductions. Then Alice comes home... Then Lisa... (All with some kind of hint at further potential issues that may need assistance or resolution.) Finally, Anne comes home and you have the option to confess to her, before Eric arrives for dinner. Or, you can just soften the blow by helping to prepare dinner. {Blunt honesty v.s. soft manipulation}...
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                     Blah blah blah... Family dinner conversation, setting-up more "stuff" to have the story unfold...
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                     Anne: Married to Eric. She is slightly unsatisfied in the bedroom, and Eric's solutions are turning damn-near violent. They neither seem to please him or her. Yet, they do not soften in time, they worsen... Ultimately, this makes her lash-out with similar stern control. Thus, taking-out her frustrations on the rest of the household. (The DOM side of her, but she wants that soft SUB affection.)
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                     Eric: Total dirtbag. Cheating on his wife. Drugs, parties and gambling all her money away. Barely making any money himself, except on the rare occasions where his shady activities do have a pay-off. He is in real-estate and struggling in a massive down-trend market. No-one is selling houses for these low prices, and no-one wants to buy a house while the market is on the fast-track down. (Main Quest: Discover all his secrets and... Do various things with that information. Get him out of debt. Push him further into the rabbit-hole. Manipulate him. Get him as far away as possible... etc...)
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                     Kira: Best friend of Anne, who has recently had an ugly divorce that was finalized. She lost everything and has been taken under Anne's wing. Though, Eric does not care for her much. He thinks she is a total slut and a low-life... The irony is that he is the pot calling the kettle black... But, it takes one to know one... She can be easily manipulated into control, due to her "need a shoulder to cry on", and "fresh out of the market" status, as well as her, "flat-broke situation".
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                     Alice: Works at a clothing store, on the weekends. She has a real short term lease there, as she abuses her "discounts", and ultimately decides that getting free shit is better than wasting money on shit. Max has to help her get ideas for what to do, after she gets fired. The "almighty Alice, with money and a job", becomes the one needing a wing to shelter her, like Kira... But Anne is too "hard" to do that, wanting to teach her a little about reality. (If she is an exchange-student, there is continued household income from her. But it is not in her pocket.)
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                     Lisa: Still in school, and failing the last quarter. She is preoccupied more with a certain boy, and it is killing her GPA. Failing isn't a tasty option, as she will be bound to repeat another year, under higher restrictions. She needs help, on many ways. (Keep her just passing enough to NEED summer-school. Help her graduate. Make her flunk by helping her focus on boys... all sorts of good times there!)
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                     Max: (You - The protagonist) Stuck at home, on house arrest. Alice guarding you like a dog while Anne, Eric and Kira are at work. As well as your parole-officer doing random checks in the day... Your desire to do something, anything, other than sit around the house and jerk-off, is driving you mad. Where there is a will, there is a way... There are ways to get-out of the house, at moments. Times to find better relief around the house. Time to corrupt individuals. Ways to expand your mind and reach, without leaving the house... Oh, and some cool experimental drugs that you found access to, while poking around the "Commanding Officer's computer". Something about "Project target enhancement"... I bet all the chicks would want you if you had a 14" cock... Right... Hope there are no side-effects!
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                        This is the story, as it stands so far... (Generic overview, not ready for posting to the main-post yet.)
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                        Starts with a quick overview of MAX... How he got booted from boot-camp, for playing a joke that exposed a visiting "Commanding Officer", as being a lover of underage boys. Adding that he is now on a form of "Hollywood house-arrest", thanks to Eric knowing the prosecutor for Max's case. (Eric makes it look like he did Max a favor, but later-on, you find-out he was actually trying to avoid a possible investigation into his own actions.)
                        <br/>
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                        Then a selection for setting the "Family relation" and the "characters names"... {Fully related = Mom, Dad, Aunt, Older-sister, You, Younger-sister.} [Unrelated = Guardian-Female, Guardian-Male, Best friend of Anne, Exchange-Student Girl 1, You Foster-child, Exchange Student Girl 2]
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                        So... With the above things done, it goes into playing the game.
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                        Max, defiant of his situation, has "stepped-out" of the house, and returns to find Eric at the house. (Slightly suspicious, as he should be at work. Claims that he forgot something, and he will talk with Anne, once he gets home.)
                        <br/>
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                        Off the bat, you get the chance to snoop around the house a bit, before Anne comes home. There are a few things to find, but it is not clear what they are for, at first. (As game-items, or as things to interact with.) While snooping, Kira comes home first, for introductions. Then Alice comes home... Then Lisa... (All with some kind of hint at further potential issues that may need assistance or resolution.) Finally, Anne comes home and you have the option to confess to her, before Eric arrives for dinner. Or, you can just soften the blow by helping to prepare dinner. {Blunt honesty v.s. soft manipulation}...
                        <br/>
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                        Blah blah blah... Family dinner conversation, setting-up more "stuff" to have the story unfold...
                        <br/>
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                        Anne: Married to Eric. She is slightly unsatisfied in the bedroom, and Eric's solutions are turning damn-near violent. They neither seem to please him or her. Yet, they do not soften in time, they worsen... Ultimately, this makes her lash-out with similar stern control. Thus, taking-out her frustrations on the rest of the household. (The DOM side of her, but she wants that soft SUB affection.)
                        <br/>
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                        Eric: Total dirtbag. Cheating on his wife. Drugs, parties and gambling all her money away. Barely making any money himself, except on the rare occasions where his shady activities do have a pay-off. He is in real-estate and struggling in a massive down-trend market. No-one is selling houses for these low prices, and no-one wants to buy a house while the market is on the fast-track down. (Main Quest: Discover all his secrets and... Do various things with that information. Get him out of debt. Push him further into the rabbit-hole. Manipulate him. Get him as far away as possible... etc...)
                        <br/>
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                        Kira: Best friend of Anne, who has recently had an ugly divorce that was finalized. She lost everything and has been taken under Anne's wing. Though, Eric does not care for her much. He thinks she is a total slut and a low-life... The irony is that he is the pot calling the kettle black... But, it takes one to know one... She can be easily manipulated into control, due to her "need a shoulder to cry on", and "fresh out of the market" status, as well as her, "flat-broke situation".
                        <br/>
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                        Alice: Works at a clothing store, on the weekends. She has a real short term lease there, as she abuses her "discounts", and ultimately decides that getting free shit is better than wasting money on shit. Max has to help her get ideas for what to do, after she gets fired. The "almighty Alice, with money and a job", becomes the one needing a wing to shelter her, like Kira... But Anne is too "hard" to do that, wanting to teach her a little about reality. (If she is an exchange-student, there is continued household income from her. But it is not in her pocket.)
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                        Lisa: Still in school, and failing the last quarter. She is preoccupied more with a certain boy, and it is killing her GPA. Failing isn't a tasty option, as she will be bound to repeat another year, under higher restrictions. She needs help, on many ways. (Keep her just passing enough to NEED summer-school. Help her graduate. Make her flunk by helping her focus on boys... all sorts of good times there!)
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                        Max: (You - The protagonist) Stuck at home, on house arrest. Alice guarding you like a dog while Anne, Eric and Kira are at work. As well as your parole-officer doing random checks in the day... Your desire to do something, anything, other than sit around the house and jerk-off, is driving you mad. Where there is a will, there is a way... There are ways to get-out of the house, at moments. Times to find better relief around the house. Time to corrupt individuals. Ways to expand your mind and reach, without leaving the house... Oh, and some cool experimental drugs that you found access to, while poking around the "Commanding Officer's computer". Something about "Project target enhancement"... I bet all the chicks would want you if you had a 14" cock... Right... Hope there are no side-effects!
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                        is there a mod for this if  so i8 am not seeing it
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                     Not a mod... It's a whole conversion. I am programming the foundation for it at the moment. When that is ready, I will have something to download and play.
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                     The original game uses "Unity", which I have no programming experience in using. (Or desire to learn.) This conversion will be made with "RenPy", but other than being smaller in download-size, the end-results will be similar. Ultimately, this will also be easier for others to mod, translate and tweak/hack, as desired.
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                     Where possible, I will be making notes in the code and provide any tools that I also make, to assist with modding. (At the moment, I am making a custom "character schedule tool", to assist with the characters daily schedules and various changes.)
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                     Shouldn't be much longer to wait.
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                     Current status: I am doing the GUI overlays. The TIME, DAY OF WEEK, DATE, MONEY, STATUS LEVELS, NAVIGATION, DIALOGUE-BOXES and the CHOICE SELECTION windows. (All sort-of depend on game-elements, like WHO is WHERE and doing WHAT, WHEN and WHY... Basic writer/coder elements of the core. So, one kind-of shapes the details of the other.)
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                     After this is complete, it is simply a matter of creating all the ACTIONS and EVENTS, which forms the story. Then I have to start tweaking it, before it gets too involved in the size and complexity. That is when the fun starts!
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                        Well, he already has Ann... But, yes, Eric has a path where he tries to get Max to assist him in his twisted plans.
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                     I didn't mean I wanted it, I just want your game to be flexible! Having NTR Eric-sharing route as well as stealing Ann from him, as I've said, flexible. Aiming at as many possibilites as you can (obviously the ones you choose as you're the creator)
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                        He probably meant to have ways of eliminating Eric or letting him stay as Ann's husband. In BB to get the latest content, you have to get rid of Eric, if you don't expand both sides, people won't be happy
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                     Oh, yes... Having him there, or not, will only change some interactions. Obviously, if he isn't there, then he will not be joining the orgies.
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                     There is even a voyeur path, which Max is only focused on watching everything unfold. (Causing them to interact with one-another, without participating himself, much.) {If Eric is there, Max is also seeing Eric in those scenes, without himself in the picture.}
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                     Here are the current desired pathing options...
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                     1: Expose Eric (Main continuous objective)
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                     - A: Assist Eric {You are approached, before you expose anything, but know something is going-on. You see this path as a potential way to uncover his secrets faster... But you don't NEED to expose him to others on this path. That is still a possibility to divert off the "assistance" path.}
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                     - B: Belittle them {If you do NOT take the Assist-path, you have your second branch of the story come into light. This path, like the assist path, can be diverted back to the original main-path. You are manipulating the girls into doing things, similar to what Eric wants you to do in the Assistance path, but you are doing it without him. The intentions being, to have Eric removed from the house.}
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                     While on the "Assist-path", there comes a three-way intersection. Based on how you responded to events, it favors one of three potential outcomes...
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                     1: Greed-path (Me, all me!) {You assist Eric, but use the exposure to "keep him in check", dominating the household. It is your income which is now the primary source of finances. You clear-up Eric's debts and keep him on a tight leash.}
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                     2: Share-path (Tag-teaming) {You and Eric, both, command the household. Clearing his name, earns you equality. Keeping the apple near the tree, so to speak.}
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                     3: Switch-paths (Back to the main-path) {You expose Eric for what he is... Hell-bent on getting him out of the house and letting everyone know all of his secrets. Freeing them from the grasp he has had on them.}
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                     While on the "Belittle-path", which can only be done if you are not assisting Eric...
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                     1: Greed-path (You owe me) {Still working to push Eric out, you begin to expose him prematurely. The intentions are to get help from the others, while bringing the situation into full light. The cost for them, to have you fix things, is heavy. You demand a lot in return, or leave them to the fate at hand, which they don't want.}
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                     2: Isolate-path (The silent observer) {You focus on peeping and psychological manipulation of the household. Doing this while you drive Eric out without much help from others. Though, it will be clear that you are the one pulling the strings. Your reward is a high tolerance for your peeing and some exhibition from them.}
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                     3: Switch-paths (Back to the main-path) {You are not greedy and not just "the man behind the curtain". You return to taking credit for your exposure of Eric, while fully interacting with everyone. Getting them to assist YOU in driving him out, without expected payments in return.}
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                     The primary difference of a diverted path and staying on the main-path, is...
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                     1: Never attempting to assist Eric, at all... (Assisting him at-all, will instantly fork the path.)
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                     2: Not getting "over the top" with belittling anyone in the household... (A little will not fork the path.)
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                     The two "switch-paths", will return you to the main-path, but... because you have "assisted Eric", or "gone overboard with belittlement", there is a different set of outcomes for that ending. (Mostly, there will just be dialogue-changes, as they will respond, respectably, to the events in the past. Events from the two various paths.)
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                     2b: Max rules everyone, Eric is still present.
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                     2a: Eric rules, with Max at his side (equal affection option)
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                     1a: Assisted-diversion, Eric gets booted and more dominant Max
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                     1b: Belittled-diversion, Eric gets booted and Max stops playing head-games
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                     1c: Main path to get Eric out. (More of a loving path of full equality.)
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                     3a: Eric booted, Max treating everyone like he is a pimp. (Everyone owes him.)
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                     3b: Eric booted, Max perving {peeping}, while others play with each-other.
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                     Quick update on the GUI... (The part where I lost a few people in a prior post.)
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                     2: The navigation being on the bottom-left, felt odd. Everything you have to click is now all on the right side. No more having to swipe left and right, over and over, from dialogue to navigation.
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                     Yes, Max will still be with Lisa. He wasn't expected to return home, so he is sort-of bunking with her, due to lack of space and the fact that the older one demands privacy. (She is also sort-of paying rent.) Lisa just doesn't care. She isn't in a position to argue, as she is failing school and jobless.
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                     Hmm... I didn't even think of the option to turn things on or off...
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                     I'll compromise... You can select to do it, or not, in dialogue. (Do it once, and it assumes you would naturally select to do it again. Avoid it and your response determines if you never see that option again.)
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                     UPDATE: Finished the painful code that handles the dates and times... Now I can punch-in a start date, and time, and it changes appropriately with real calendar dates and real time. (No more military time and 3000 day summers!)
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                     Unfortunately, for those where the "Locale" would fuck my shit up, I have purposely hard-coded days and months in English. (Translations possible, I believe. If not, I can make them available. Just have to make sure they fit the format.)
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                     EG, no EU/RU/JP/CN etc...
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                     Now, since this story moves faster, and more progressive in nature, everything consumes time. (Even walking from room to room. 1-min at the least.) The goal is to get it setup so the whole thing can reasonably be "beat", within a 6-month game-time period. (It will still look like summer all year round, but no swimming for the time beyond the expected 6-months. Like that would matter anyways. They still have plenty to do in the house and possibly around town.)
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                     PROGRESS CHART:
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                     1: Finish the digital clock graphics, so it can report HH:MM AM/PM without a billion images.
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                     2: Knock-out a couple of "selection" graphics, which are duplicates for appeasing RenPy's demanding button-images.
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                     3: Setup the "dialogue boxes" and "choice selection", styles
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                     4: Add-in the generic facial-expressions (No expressions yet. Just the smiling faces while they talk.)
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                     5: Create the face-icons, to indicate where everyone is located.
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                     6: Setup the "TOWN", area, for at-least the clothing-store, "Work", and "????". For when people are at work or in an unknown location. (Mother/Father at work. Sister works at the clothing-shop, and will be there working or shopping.)
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                     7: Finish the introduction story...
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                     8: Upload and wait for others to report broken shit...
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                     9: Fix broken shit and extend the story and facial-expressions.
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                     10: Post some TLDR stuff...
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                     11: Decompress my brain...
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                     12: Goto #8 and repeat, until everyone has tennis-elbows and/or carpel-tunnel syndrome.
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                     The models look great and some of the ideas in the originals were simehow okay,
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                     but if you really are going to make a new game, please don't let your characters act the same as in DS's game.
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                        I don't know where you stand with the story or what your intentions are with the characters.
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                     That is exactly my goal. I had the same issues and noticed that others did as well.
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                     I have no experience in being a total dick-head like the characters in the game, so you will find a slightly softer side to these characters. They actually have substance.
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                     If you read a few posts back, I do go into some great detail of what to expect. I will try to summarize those TLDR posts, into the main TLDR posting of the first thread. The subject-matter will be similar, but that is about it.
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                        (No more military time and 3000 day summers!)
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                        Unfortunately, for those where the "Locale" would fuck my shit up, I have purposely hard-coded days and months in English. ...
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                        Now, since this story moves faster, and more progressive in nature, everything consumes time. (Even walking from room to room. 1-min at the least.) The goal is to get it setup so the whole thing can reasonably be "beat", within a 6-month game-time period. (It will still look like summer all year round, but no swimming for the time beyond the expected 6-months. Like that would matter anyways. They still have plenty to do in the house and possibly around town.)
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                     Just as a thought, you could have the story set some where tropical where the environment would support all year round swimming.  Or, since it's a complete fantasy anyways, just hand wave it away.  Or even have the character mention that they are glad the pool is heated now that the temperature is getting colder, and maybe have them stop sun tanning for 3 months while it's "A bit nippy" outside.  etc etc etc.
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                     I think locking the character into or out of actions because they took too long feels really bad.  Total side note but i was playing this game called Kingdom New Lands (gasp yes, a non porn game) and I finally quit playing it because the 'time limit' to finish a level was really frustrating.  You'd get to winter and you were basically fucked and all the farms you'd built were now worthless.  I don't know if the game had endless winter or if it was just SUPER long (like an hour or more) but either way it was really frustrating and I quit because of it.
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                     So I'd really be careful about how you handle the locking of content.  You don't know how fast / slow people are going to play, and while you might be able to get everything done in 6 months, someone else might make the 'wrong' choices and then get locked out.
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                     Alternatively, maybe you could have two seasons, summer and winter.  Then have specific events that only happen during each.  Like, you can only get them tanning on the deck during the summer six months, but then balance it with some other regular scenes during the winter?   Of course the real problem with this is none of the fan art really supports a change of seasons.
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                        Just as a thought, you could have the story set some where tropical where the environment would support all year round swimming.  Or, since it's a complete fantasy anyways, just hand wave it away.  Or even have the character mention that they are glad the pool is heated now that the temperature is getting colder, and maybe have them stop sun tanning for 3 months while it's "A bit nippy" outside.  etc etc etc.
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                        I think locking the character into or out of actions because they took too long feels really bad.  Total side note but i was playing this game called Kingdom New Lands (gasp yes, a non porn game) and I finally quit playing it because the 'time limit' to finish a level was really frustrating.  You'd get to winter and you were basically fucked and all the farms you'd built were now worthless.  I don't know if the game had endless winter or if it was just SUPER long (like an hour or more) but either way it was really frustrating and I quit because of it.
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