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                     Question or observation why do most developer believe sex is the end? Instead of the beginning of building more stronger relationship, is it because of the taboo incest? Like if the MC has sex with his mom then nothing more to build on or sisters friends first time too me is only the start, so much more can happen to cultivate love or brake the relationship based on choices you make. Not asking for any changes just question or observation from your point of view sometime we learn from asking.
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                     I can only speak for myself and I totally agree with you, however, I also feel that the build up is just as much fun and creates a more interesting game/story.
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                     Once that build up is established, there is so much room for even better events/scenes in my opinion, exploring and developing each relationship on a sexual level.
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                     so sex isn't a reward.    blowjobs are a reward, because that's kinda one-sided
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                        I don't like sluts, so for me the choice becomes either over and over the same vanilla sex (which might get boring to watch) or the reward.
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                     First time with a partner is mostly vanilla sex for both of you, until you get to know more of their likes or dislikes. That's the start of building a strong sex life and relationship well my opinion. This would mean experience is required with any new partner in order to have great sex..
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                     Yes, but there is the difference between porn and real life.
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                        Yes, but there is the difference between porn and real life.
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                        In real life, sex is great, but still only occupies a very small portion of your time.
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                        In a porn game however it's the most important part.
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                        In real life, I have absolutely nothing against vanilla sex. While some kinks may be interesting to explore in real life, there are also many which you should stay away from as far as possible, even though you may be attracted to them as a fantasy.
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                        In games, there are some things which I like and others which I don't like so much. This also depends on the game itself.
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                        In DMD, D's attraction is her innocence. If/when she does finally go all the way with F, I think the story is mostly over, because I couldn't bear to watch her being shared with others.
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                        In Katie's Corruption, the NTR part is the main attraction of the game. And seeing that I don't have that much sympathy for Katie, I don't mind that. So in that game, "Sex being used to build from" works for me.
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                     You make good points, I'm looking at this like dating simulator some young men play these games. But no one has a sex simulator ways to improve on vanilla sex looking at your partner for signs their enjoying the action being taken or not, learning so the next time much better. I guess I think even porn can teach. maybe I'm just nuts.. haha
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                     How is Katie's corruption NTR at all, let alone the main attraction?  NTR means cheating on the MC, and she is the MC.
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                     Right now scientists are working towards the ultimate betrayal of our right to privacy... literally reading our minds, based on our bodily responses.    Their intent is to profile pedophiles who's responses indicate that they are turned on when looking at young children.   The subject is observed and recorded walking through a gallery, or while being shown various photographs, their body responds certain ways to different stimuli.
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                        Right now scientists are working towards the ultimate betrayal of our right to privacy... literally reading our minds, based on our bodily responses.    Their intent is to profile pedophiles who's responses indicate that they are turned on when looking at young children.   The subject is observed and recorded walking through a gallery, or while being shown various photographs, their body responds certain ways to different stimuli.
                        <br/>
                        This same science has proven again and again, that women undeniably enjoy being raped... or at least their bodies do.
                        <br/>
                        Often, women are advised..  If you're being raped, don't fight and risk getting killed, just detach and let the rapist do their thing and get it over with.  Resisting may be a turn on for the rapist, and being passive might turn them off.
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                        Some suggest that rape is about power, and not about sex, and that not fighting takes away that power.
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                        If a woman can objectify herself, and say "my body, my choice whether I liked it or not" despite the scientific evidence showing otherwise, then the man accused of being a pedophile can likewise claim detachment from his bodily responses, stating that he had no interest in children, despite his body's response.
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                        I'm not saying it's junk science.  The responses measured are accurate, but they are the body's response, not "ours".
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                        "we" are not our bodies, "we" are parasites living within an animal.  "I" wouldn't enjoy being raped, even if my body liked it.
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                     I am not entirely sure but it sound like you proved my point. As from my understanding enjoyment is different from pleasure. Enjoyment is memory based, looking back on an event with fond memories. Just because the body is stimulated and chemicals are released dosen't mean it was an enjoyable experience.
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                        I am not entirely sure but it sound like you proved my point. As from my understanding enjoyment is different from pleasure. Enjoyment is memory based, looking back on an event with fond memories. Just because the body is stimulated and chemicals are released dosen't mean it was an enjoyable experience.
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                     You tried to say that rape is sex.  I wouldn't call it a point.   The term rape, can also include sexual assault, where sex doesn't take place at all.   For example a woman raped with a broken bottle, by some dickless piece of shit.
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                     My initial point was that a lot of the women I've fucked, enjoyed it more than I did, or at least as much.  More rewarding for her than for me, unless she brings some friends along.
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                        You tried to say that rape is sex.  I wouldn't call it a point.   The term rape, can also include sexual assault, where sex doesn't take place at all.   For example a woman raped with a broken bottle, by some dickless piece of shit.
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                     no the point i was trying to make is that people who are raped didnt enjoy it.. my apologies if i was unclear in that and sorry for the confusion
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                        no the point i was trying to make is that people who are raped didnt enjoy it.. my apologies if i was unclear in that and sorry for the confusion
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                     the topic "sex as a reward"
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                     had we been discussing "the joy of driving cars"  I said cars like to be driven too.   and you said "tell that to wrecked cars."
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                     no need to apologize, your tangent expands the discussion...  not all sex is good.
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                     some old whores are hard to please
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                     there are a lot of variables
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                        How is Katie's corruption NTR at all, let alone the main attraction?  NTR means cheating on the MC, and she is the MC.
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                     Well, her fiance could fuck some other girl and force her to watch? If she still has feelings for him. Otherwise, quite impossible.
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                     It's all subjective but for me personally nothing annoys me quite as much as grinding for hours upon hours just to get a kiss on the cheek for a 30 second blowjob scene if you're lucky. If you need a walkthrough just to get the first scene in under 4 hours of playtime your game has got problems. I can understand not wanting your game to be a five min fap and done deal but christ theres so many games who's gameplay consists of being as boring and repetative as possible to the point people don't play and just wait for a mod to skip or someone to rip the lewd pics.
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                     It was hard to choose because for me, depending on the story or the quests, sex could be used as a reward for example: a cute NPC who begs the protagonist to do something for her and after you've done what she asked , she pays you with her body and maybe her loyalty. Some stories, especially in RPG games, the player with female character have the option of prostituting themselves (see Roundscape Adorevia for example). For me, sex has to be part of the plot of some erotic play, but it can not go beyond the limits, for example, the female character is raped and the player can only watch and there is no option for the character to react and kill the aggressor and without forgetting child pornography (That's right, I mean lolicon and shotacon) that is present in many forums, including in this one and is more linked to the sexual abuse of children and of course games involving children are not in my list of games favorites, even if the defenders try to change my mind. Still talking about it, there is the question of homosexuality, of course, that there are a lot of people, especially heterosexual men, who like to see two beautiful women having sex, or a beautiful shemale sticking hard in the back of a woman or another shemale, but they do not want to see no way a muscular man thrusting hard into the back of another muscular man. Okay. In the case of homosexuality, there is a lot of hypocrisy in this issue that even had people asking to erase the gay category of this forum.
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