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The Towers Perrin opinion confirms that if the new MTS pension plan were effective as of September 30 , 1996 , the market value of the new plan 's assets would exceed the obligations of the plan on an ongoing basis . We spoke in the jury room about the fact that the wrong people were on trial , that it should have been the ones that planned the raid and orchestrated it and insisted on carrying out this plan who should have been on trial . Any kind of notice , either directly through the critic or in the committee , is very helpful in helping us move through and make clear decisions in this committee . The newly discovered cosmos and world , however , disoriented as much as they enlarged the mind . The opinion also confirms that the market value of the new plan 's assets would exceed the plan 's liability for purposes of The Pension Benefits Standards Act , which is the federal legislation under which the new plan will be registered . Thus trying to make it a Jewish-Christian statement would have resulted either in a glaring asymmetry between the prominence of the Christian and Jewish leaders or in a statement that did not say what we thought needed saying . Mr. Reid : Mr. Chairperson , in the legislation itself , the Clause 9 that the minister has included with the bill references notwithstanding the last collective agreement , and I am sure we all know what the word " notwithstanding " means in this respect or in our previous experiences with this word in the Canadian relationship . Should the people be seated in pews with kneelers , or in chairs arranged in a crescent or circle ? Therefore , much as we regret that we said one thing in the past , we must now , for the good of Manitobans , do another thing in the future . " Tradition , " he said , " according to the Fathers of the Church , is in fact just the opposite of a burden of the past : it is a vital energy , a propulsive as much as a protective force . The fidelity of the objective presentation enhances the depth and transformative quality of the response .