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The judge then concluded that the jury had found a conspiracy after all , and " bootstrapped " Count One onto the lesser Count Three , holding that by convicting the defendants of the latter it had really convicted them of the former . It would be at the very least to make available to all those who gave their trust the full and complete circumstance that caused the requirement for change to be so pressing that a mere matter of days after assurances were given that , no , there were no plans to privatize MTS and the only one talking about the privatization of MTS was the member for Thompson ( Mr. Ashton ) , and the only party considering the problem of privatizing MTS was the New Democratic Party , when patently and clearly and on the record now , we know this not to be the case . Since Grisez has already laid out the principles of his moral theology with architectonic precision in the first two volumes of this proposed four-volume series , one might suppose that readers-whether or not they agree with him on the level of principle-could assume that all his answers to specific questions in this volume are predictable from what he has already said . To invoke tradition is to shift to a new battlefield no more promising than the first . With the leave of the committee , we can get the minister to read all of them onto the record and then we can proceed in passing them singly after that . Some readers may be tempted into thinking that Bouwsma has projected back onto the late Renaissance our contemporary feeling of dislocation and anxiety . The judges also said , we share concerns that the procedure carefully prescribed by legislation involving public hearings could easily be seen as a cynical orchestration of an objective process to determine judicial salaries which the judges said , in fact , is nothing more than an illusion based on a deception . Well , we are looking at salaries of less than 1 percent a year . I might also add that when it comes to salary increments , the government should perhaps take the view that rather than being so niggardly on the contribution of public servants to Manitoba , that a reasonable salary enhancement should be considered by this government and be part of its policy , rather than being niggardly and using the low-wage policy of this government for public servants as a reason to be stingy and subvert the independent process for the compensation of judges . It is clear that the Legislature of Manitoba , in granting the right for a trade union to receive Rand Formula dues , may put conditions on that right , that legislated right , and one of the conditions is that they simply account and provide certain remedies if they choose not to account , for some totally unprecedented reasons as is suggested by Mr. Reid . It is more appropriate that the pension schemes be compared across jurisdictions in Canada , at least that is what the committee concluded , and there does not seem to be anything unreasonable about that . Since Grisez deals with two hundred difficult moral questions , it is impossible to do more than mention a few . If the minister is going to proceed with his plan , it is likely that we are going to again be losing ground and come out nine out of 10 again as we are with judicial salaries across Canada . What we are proposing here is that any individual who contravenes this confidentiality provision and disseminates that information in any way other than discussing it or talking about it or dealing with it , with matters of that particular bargaining unit , the person that would do such actions outside of that bargaining unit would contravene The Labour Relations Act and therefore be subject to any penalties or provisions as afforded under that act . I think Grisez is right to counsel the moral duty of everyone ( and not just Catholics ) to stop abortions , but I think he has given imprudent advice on the theoretical level by giving an incorrect reason . You may appreciate that a number of technical amendments have emerged since this bill was introduced . It does not deal with control of assets other than control of securities , and in the context of Bill 67 , the relevance would be that the securities referred to would be shares either of MTS or of an affiliate . Since not all members of a workplace are members of the union , it only seems reasonable to suggest that the union have access to the names and addresses of those people to ascertain , since those people also pay dues , what their will is with respect to the use of those dues . You did not even ask for a quid pro quo to allow for the protection of jobs and gave away millions of dollars of tax revenue that the province obviously needs , and you gave it back to the railways and got no job protections and we have lost thousands of jobs since then . The timing may be a little bit different , but it is not terribly dissimilar to what Mr. Toews had been suggesting earlier to the committee for which he was , you know , I think unfairly dumped on .