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We told you at the time there were changes occurring , and if you want to protect employment in this province , you had better take the steps necessary to get something in exchange for the fuel tax revenue that you were giving up . Should the celebrant be bound strictly to the approved texts or be encouraged to extemporize ? I will just comment to say that the member is wrong , that this particular section has nothing to do with removal of the Rand Formula and , secondly , I have never said that Ontario has that Rand Formula . We were , and I think all Manitobans were outraged by the presentation to this committee of a package of amendments late in an evening and the demand that this committee consider such complex issues as the elimination of provision for a strategic partner , the reduction from 15 to 10 percent of any individual 's holdings , as the minister has outlined this morning , many complex pension issues . Quite legal , and I am not suggesting anything to the contrary , but I am not clear at all yet that this issue is addressed , and I would appreciate more discussion . The gave you the formulas they used ; they gave you their methodology ; they gave you their references to CRTC . I am prepared to move another amendment later on in the bill that will allow for some way to allow the government to meet its objectives of this bill under the existing collective agreements , hoping that they are prepared to consider such an amendment . Do you think that for one moment , Mr. Chair , that I would bother going through all these various amendments to punish the trade unions when the simplest thing that this party could do is simply abolish the Rand Formula and have the unions go cap in hand to their members to collect their union dues , like it was before 1976 , and the way that Mr. Sid Green suggested it should be , before he brought in Rand Formula in this province , something he admits was a mistake ? Now , if the minister wishes to amend The Labour Relations Act to allow for stiffer fines for failure to comply , I told him already that we are prepared to entertain that notion , but I do not think you need to use a sledgehammer to kill a fly as you are attempting to do in this case . We also have the comments that were made by the previous Minister of Labour who stated in September of ' 94 , when being interviewed , that there was no need to change The Labour Relations Act. We spoke in the jury room about the fact that the wrong people were on trial , that it should have been the ones that planned the raid and orchestrated it and insisted on carrying out this plan who should have been on trial . I am not clear , having read the corporate documents in which the various partners moved their limited partnerships and their assets to Quebec while the general partner stayed here , Jets 8 Hockey Ventures Inc ., I am not sure how that is all affected , because under the terms of that limited and general partnership , the partners could change the ownership of the assets . I am asking through this amendment to allow those organizations to be able to make those comments to the employees who would be participating in a lockout or strike picket line and that this would then provide some measure of assurance that the government would not move against those labour organizations in a punitive fashion for those who have made every reasonable effort to try and stop strike-related misconduct . The waning and end of the Renaissance produced the Enlightenment , an age with which we really were in a direct line of descent until recently . Now , Mr. Chairperson , the opposition has been pilloried for going around and doing what the government was apparently unwilling or afraid to do , which is to say , come and meet with us , not as the Premier said this morning , on radio , at a by-invitation-only coffee and chat , where those who are invited are very clearly members of the Conservative Party , and where the meetings are not publicized as open and public , at least not the ones in Winnipeg , certainly not the one that was held in my constituency at Crescentwood Community Club . I wish everyone had just been acquitted on all charges . The judge commented , " One would have to have been as closely involved with this tragedy from its first day until today , as I have been , and to have observed Ms. Riddle 's demeanor and reactions throughout all of these proceedings , compared to all of the other Defendants , to fully understand all of the reasons I believe her culpability is so much less than most of theirs . Because I have consulted broadly and widely throughout the province of Manitoba to find out if any , any person , any working person of this province has ever been denied the opportunity to see financial information and to find out if they were one of the 12 people of this province to ask the minister to bring in amendments to The Labour Relations Act. So , if there were 15 limited partners , and the general partner had direction and control over the shares of all of those limited partners , the general partner would be deemed to be the owner of the shares of all of those limited partners . So if you want to get into a long wrangling about the decision in the Levine case , I am prepared to do that , but I can tell you that you are contravening the decision and the intent of the decision of the Supreme Court of Canada by your interference in the internal affairs of the union , and also in the activities that you are taking here to punish the unions by the removal of the Rand Formula for what should be an unfair labour practice and for which severe financial penalties are available under the current Labour Relations Act for the province of Manitoba . Mr. Reid : Mr. Chairperson , in the legislation itself , the Clause 9 that the minister has included with the bill references notwithstanding the last collective agreement , and I am sure we all know what the word " notwithstanding " means in this respect or in our previous experiences with this word in the Canadian relationship . Ms. Shirley Strutt ( Legislative Counsel ) : In The Interpretation Act there is a provision that indicates , if you state in an act that it comes into force in proclamation , that you can proclaim the act in parts or by section , and this is being amended to make sure that this particular section comes into force , therefore , on proclamation of the section . Mr. Santos : This is what I am after .