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That is why we have second reading ; that is why we have committee hearings ; that is why we have third reading . Some of them could be , in fact , working out of their own homes but still be members of a particular bargaining unit ; and , if we are going to have requirements of the labour organizations to do certain surveys of their members with respect to the use of dues for political purposes , it only seems fair and reasonable that the names and addresses of the employees affected be made available to allow for the most accurate consultation process to take place . It is interesting that this government will certainly go along with a third party independent review of MLAs ' salaries , but when it affects their own salaries , they say , oh , yes , we will go along with that because we respect the process and they enjoyed the benefit of an increase , but when it is someone else 's salaries that are being reviewed by an independent body , in this case the Judicial Compensation Committee , the government comes by and says , no , no , we are going to go with our main man on the panel , Mr. Benson . Mr. Yaffe : I guess the first point I would make , Mr. Chairman , is that again , 1 ( 6 ) is in the bill specifically for the purposes of adding strength to the individual ownership restriction . Mr. Sale : Mr. Chairperson , the change here seems to be the addition of a number of clauses , particularly the Order-in-Council , which becomes ( b ) and some other wording changes to make this a much more exhaustive definition of instrument than was already in . " If the gift perishes in the process of transmission , it becomes the dead past , a mere memory . I have been consistent from the beginning in that respect . That was the method of the old moral manuals , a method that after Vatican Council II , with its call for a renewal of moral theology , virtually all Catholic ethicists have explicitly eschewed . Is that a new amendment or is it - - well , I apologize if it is a photocopying problem , but I do not have that amendment . If the names and addresses of the employees are not available , are not provided by the employer , as I have indicated earlier , where some members of that particular bargaining unit may be employed in their own homes , for example , or outside of the particular isolated work area where they can be easily identified , then it seems reasonable to request this amendment that would allow for that list of names to be provided to the union by the employer to allow for the most accurate communication possible to determine the wishes and the will of those employees . Mr. Reid : Mr. Chairperson , as I have indicated in my previous remarks , it seems reasonable to request that this amendment be put in place so that the unions can have the widest opportunity and the most accurate opportunity to communicate , as the government wishes them to do under this legislation , with the members that would be in the bargaining unit , not necessarily union members but all members of the bargaining unit . I believe that this is the first time in our provincial history that a major Crown corporation has been set up for privatization , and as many people have acknowledged , if this act passes , then we will no longer have the pleasure of sitting with members of the Manitoba Telephone System Board of Directors and officers and understanding more clearly how that system serves Manitobans well and has provided for Manitobans affordable and efficient and effective and technologically advanced profitable services over many , many years and continuing to the very present time . The apostolic tradition at its core is liturgical , as the example of the Eucharist serves to indicate . It seems strange in that this is Section 1 ( 1 ) , why do we refer to the section when indebtedness to the Crown , the special share function in this act is such a central issue and one to which some of the initial comments of the minister were addressed .