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It is just its hockey team was playing in Winnipeg , that is all . I am informed that the definition of foreign government is out , so this section has no force The legalese is working here . So if it does no harm , why not leave it in ? Therefore , much as we regret that we said one thing in the past , we must now , for the good of Manitobans , do another thing in the future . This response , however , raises yet another difficulty . Honourable Minister , do you have any opening remarks ? William J. Bouwsma , a professor emeritus of history at Berkeley , adds another twist to the recalibration of the Western story . So what I want to do here by this wording here is just to tighten it up on the intent of what the clause is to make sure that no employee who is required to work under the essential services agreement will be prevented on their own time from participating in any activities of their choosing . " I feel it is necessary to put in place , so there is not an extensive period of time involved , that where there is undue delay in making a decision and holding that vote , there be an automatic certification process , because I do not want to have circumstances that we already know exist at the board , which is lack of funds to be a factor , or any other matter for that sake to be a factor , in allowing for an undue delay in the vote to determine whether or not the employees of the affected unit wish to become a member of a union . Mr. Reid : Well , I think if the record reflects , Mr. Chairperson , the members that we have present in the room that are on this committee during the process where I would request a recorded vote , I have no problem as long as Hansard would show that the vote would be on those numbers . With the leave of the committee , we can get the minister to read all of them onto the record and then we can proceed in passing them singly after that . I might just indicate that every union that came before the committee indicated that there was never any problem with obtaining any financial information . What we are talking about is taking a plan that is currently in effect from July 1 , 1992 , and applying it retroactively to all of the judges that currently sit at the bench , and that is the cost of $ 1.5 million that I refer to . So the first requirement would be to make it plain to all Manitobans why this new circumstance had arisen , what the urgency was , and to plainly share with Manitobans data as objective as can be obtained by government in a form and in locations accessible to Manitobans , particularly those Manitobans who live in parts of our province where telephones are even more vital and where their affordability and accessibility , functionality are even more an issue than they are for us who live in urban settings . If it does no harm , then maybe we should take the Hippocratic oath as a guide that our role here is to do no harm . Mr. Toews : Generally speaking , lack of funding is not an exceptional circumstance , and I have instructed my deputy to continue discussions with the chairperson of the Manitoba Labour Board to ensure that the board has a reasonable amount of money to carry out its necessary duties . I am glad that Mr. Reid clarified on the record that there is no union that would deny this information to an employee , and I just wanted to make sure that the record and that the law do not stand in the way of the employee requesting the union for that information . So really what we are talking about is an academic exercise here , an exercise that will never occur , if one is to believe Mr. Reid 's word and the word of the trade unions , that they never refuse this financial information . For , as the centuries succeed one another , the Church constantly moves forward toward the fullness of divine truth until the words of God reach their fulfillment in her . Again , I do not have any legal expertise , let alone the legal expertise required to enquire in this area , but in law , is a government a person , and is a foreign government a foreign person ? So if you want to get into a long wrangling about the decision in the Levine case , I am prepared to do that , but I can tell you that you are contravening the decision and the intent of the decision of the Supreme Court of Canada by your interference in the internal affairs of the union , and also in the activities that you are taking here to punish the unions by the removal of the Rand Formula for what should be an unfair labour practice and for which severe financial penalties are available under the current Labour Relations Act for the province of Manitoba . I am not clear , having read the corporate documents in which the various partners moved their limited partnerships and their assets to Quebec while the general partner stayed here , Jets 8 Hockey Ventures Inc ., I am not sure how that is all affected , because under the terms of that limited and general partnership , the partners could change the ownership of the assets . Any kind of notice , either directly through the critic or in the committee , is very helpful in helping us move through and make clear decisions in this committee . I am prepared to move another amendment later on in the bill that will allow for some way to allow the government to meet its objectives of this bill under the existing collective agreements , hoping that they are prepared to consider such an amendment . An extremist at the otherworldly end of the spectrum would probably join some " traditionalist " movement like that of Marcel Lefebvre and thus end up outside the Catholic Church .