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I will reiterate once again , as I did in the House , that I believe that this bill is essentially designed as a punitive measure to get back at those labour organizations in our province that dared to stand up to this government and in fact raised issues during the 1995 provincial general election campaign and to raise public awareness of these issues , and that this government is now bringing forward Bill 26 as a punitive measure to in many ways tie the hands of those organizations from ever being able to take effective action , and at the same time recognizing that this government , while they have tied the hands of labour organizations in this province who dared to speak out , they have not taken similar actions to those that are familiar and friendly with this particular government , namely those in certain sectors of the business community and that it is undemocratic , the sections that the government is - - and the actions the government is proposing through this bill . As was said more than once during our presentations , it is one thing , though not desirable in our modern world , to go next door to make a phone call and quite another thing to have to go a number of miles to make a phone call , and you know , Mr. Chairperson , I think members opposite and members on this side of the House suffer from a very real problem . And what you are responding here today is that you may be contemplating further changes to The Labour Relations Act during the term of this government . I have already explained to all of you why I think that is unreasonable , unfair and obviously an added significant cost to the taxpayers of Manitoba where individuals going back prior to 1992 who accepted these positions under certain arrangements knowing what the compensation was , knowing what the pension was at that particular point in time . Mr. Sale : Mr. Chairperson , the change here seems to be the addition of a number of clauses , particularly the Order-in-Council , which becomes ( b ) and some other wording changes to make this a much more exhaustive definition of instrument than was already in . The government reiterated its call for maximum sentences for all defendants.The jury had found all defendants innocent of conspiracy to kill federal agents on the highest standard of proof - " beyond a reasonable doubt . " The Orthodox theologian Vladimir Lossky defines tradition as " the life of the Holy Spirit in the Church . Partisans of the two tendencies frequently criticize each other in harsh and polemical terms . Excuse me , during the consideration of the bill , the schedule , the preamble , and the title are postponed until all other clauses have been considered in their proper order by the committee . In this second perspective , the members of the assembly are urged to find God not in some supercelestial realm beyond space and time , but here and now in the members themselves . " What Grisez is also saying is that attempts of Church officials to deny the moral nature of this type of situation has been a source of scandal , leading both Catholics and non-Catholics to conclude that the Church , in effect , exempts priests from ordinary moral responsibility instead of holding them to Christian standards , which include and go beyond ordinary morality . We told you at the time there were changes occurring , and if you want to protect employment in this province , you had better take the steps necessary to get something in exchange for the fuel tax revenue that you were giving up . Mr. Reid : Well , I think if the record reflects , Mr. Chairperson , the members that we have present in the room that are on this committee during the process where I would request a recorded vote , I have no problem as long as Hansard would show that the vote would be on those numbers . " Beyond that , courts have applied a " fortress " theory when firearms are found " readily available in strategic locations " on the premises , and any defendants also on the premises at the time can be convicted of using and carrying . Desjarlais at my very first meeting , I outlined to him - - and my deputy minister was sitting right beside me when I made those statements to Mr. Desjarlais - - and I indicated that this would be the direction I was moving in . Mr. Reid : I believe , Mr. Chairperson , this will go a long way towards giving the employee access to the information that the minister says that is currently not being supplied to them , which we know , having consulted many labour organizations , in fact most labour organizations of this province to find out the practices that they have , and I am told that each and every one of them that I have talked with does provide that detailed financial information to their members at the meetings and that any member so wishing to receive that information and be privy to that , information is made available to them . To suggest I would go to these lengths to go to a measured approach is just beyond belief .