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I believe that this is the first time in our provincial history that a major Crown corporation has been set up for privatization , and as many people have acknowledged , if this act passes , then we will no longer have the pleasure of sitting with members of the Manitoba Telephone System Board of Directors and officers and understanding more clearly how that system serves Manitobans well and has provided for Manitobans affordable and efficient and effective and technologically advanced profitable services over many , many years and continuing to the very present time . Mr. Mackintosh : Well , I guess the remarks from the member for The Maples ( Kowalski ) just shows how ridiculous this process is becoming without some government initiative here , but the member for The Maples should darn well withdraw any remarks that he impugns to this side . Saskatchewan Provincial Court Judges association was told by a cabinet minister , and this was during a meeting discussing judges ' remuneration , that if the judges levied higher fines for impaired drivers , the government would be able to pay the judges more . Montaigne , representative of the whole phenomenon in one dimension of his thinking , downplayed speculation even in the sciences ( which seemed to him as divided as theology and philosophy over contradictory theories ) and argued that the true object of knowledge was how to live and die well . If the case goes forward , a prolonged period of discovery will follow , which could produce some very interesting evidence , including the videotapes and still photos taken by the ATF photographers during the raid , the plans for the raid , the FBI 's plans for use of CS gas , the logs of observers during the gassing and the fire , and other information that was not admitted at the criminal trial . To the extent that the general partner was so deemed , you would aggregate the shares over which it had control . Mr. Stefanson : As we all know , we adjourned roughly a week or two ago after hearing representation from the judges , from Mr. Kopstein and Mr. Sinclair . ) To miss this point is to fall into the error of " situationalism " ( another object of sustained critique by Grisez over the years ) . Mr. Reid : Mr. Chairperson , in the legislation itself , the Clause 9 that the minister has included with the bill references notwithstanding the last collective agreement , and I am sure we all know what the word " notwithstanding " means in this respect or in our previous experiences with this word in the Canadian relationship . The salaries that were recommended by the third party , by the independent commission , work out to less than 1 percent per year over three years , and the independent commission did consider all of the relevant factors to our view . If the government knows this to be wrong , why will you not put forward the data that shows that it is wrong ? Should the celebrant face the people during the Eucharistic prayer , or should both priests and people be turned eastward toward the coming Lord ? The arms , camouflage suits , and shooting vests were primarily the Davidians ' commercial stock in trade , which they sold at gun shows for profit . I suggest to you , Sir , that you are wrong , that the only thing that is driving you for this labour legislation and the members of your committee here today and the members of your party , is an ideological bent to punish the labour organizations in this province for their actions that they took to represent their members ' interest during the provincial general election in 1995 .