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It is more appropriate that the pension schemes be compared across jurisdictions in Canada , at least that is what the committee concluded , and there does not seem to be anything unreasonable about that . Moreover , he has to be a true " casuist " in these responsa , that is , he has to employ a variety of sources to come to his conclusion rather than simply subsuming the case at hand under one specific rule , itself part of a larger general category . At the liturgy , at councils , and on other solemn occasions , where the tradition has to be authoritatively passed on , the Church invokes the Holy Spirit , through whom the living Christ continues to give himself actively to the Church . The other thing I wanted to indicate , too - - and this is something that we should give serious consideration to - - with all amendments , the one thing I regret in the current rules we have adopted is that there is not a notice period between the hearings , the tabling of amendments and the time which amendments are considered because that is something that would help deal with some of the other problems that we run into in this committee . Now , Mr. Chairperson , the opposition has been pilloried for going around and doing what the government was apparently unwilling or afraid to do , which is to say , come and meet with us , not as the Premier said this morning , on radio , at a by-invitation-only coffee and chat , where those who are invited are very clearly members of the Conservative Party , and where the meetings are not publicized as open and public , at least not the ones in Winnipeg , certainly not the one that was held in my constituency at Crescentwood Community Club . Mr. Reid : Well , at the same time , the minister knows that we can debate the Levine case all night here , but he must recognize that the Supreme Court of Canada decision said that the labour organizations , the unions of this country , have a right and a responsibility to their members to take certain political actions deemed to be in the best interest of those employees that are being represented and , yet , the minister , through this legislation , is interfering in that process . Our time may parallel the late Renaissance in that the liberations of the last century and the bloody attempts at order in reaction to them may indicate that we , too , are headed for a new synthesis of those two perennial human needs , freedom and order . Now the minister knows that would involve , I believe , at least a $ 2,000 fine , and the minister has the ability through means available to him to amend that level . Furthermore , unlike Nazi Germany or Communist Russia , where citizens were really prisoners of the state , those who judge a constitutional democracy incorrigibly corrupt always have the legal option of relocating , thus avoiding violent revolution with all its dangers , political and moral . I have already explained to all of you why I think that is unreasonable , unfair and obviously an added significant cost to the taxpayers of Manitoba where individuals going back prior to 1992 who accepted these positions under certain arrangements knowing what the compensation was , knowing what the pension was at that particular point in time .