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Mr. Reid : In this provision in this amendment that I am proposing here , Mr. Chairperson , it changes in the fact that the employer in this case or the government in most of these cases will determine the names of the employees that would be required to work to maintain essential services , and we heard one of the presentations here this evening spelling out very clearly for the government and for the committee members that there should be a removal of the names component , that there was no opposition to determining that there are job classifications that need to be filled , but I think the objection was that the specific names of individuals to do that work , that power was being left in the hands of the government to determine specific people . ) In democratic regimes , judicial and legislative means are still officially available to rectify the moral lack ( hence some of the political successes , heretofore modest to be sure , of the pro-life movement ) . If it is not the intent of the government to have some confidentiality in here , then the only conclusion that I can draw is that they want this information to be used by some individual or individuals intent on discrediting that particular labour organization . It was this government that brought in the reduction of the fuel tax and got absolutely nothing in return . The judge said he would recommend incarceration in Nevada near where Mr. Fatta 's son , Kalani , was living , as requested by his attorney . This will prevent the last collective agreement from taking precedent , and this is the issue that I referenced in the opening comments with my attempt to delete the temporary terms and conditions definition at the front of this bill , because what this bill will do , will allow the government to set the temporary terms and conditions , which is pay and benefits , for employees who are required to work under the essential services agreement and does not spell out that it is the provisions of the last collective agreement that should be in force and in effect until such time as it is superseded by another agreement that would be imposed or negotiated . Mr. Reid : Well , the minister will recall quite clearly his meeting with Mr. Desjarlais , and , of course , Mr. Desjarlais , who represents the Steelworkers 6166 in Thompson , was standing at this podium here , Sir , in this room telling the minister and reminding the minister of the words that he spoke to Mr. Desjarlais , that there was no need to make changes to The Labour Relations Act. Should the use of Latin in the Roman rite be maintained , increased , or eliminated altogether ? Mr. Reid : In the act here the minister is proposing that the employer will have the ability to act as prosecutor and judge for any actions of employees on a picket line , and what we are suggesting here is that there has to be an appeal mechanism built in to allow this matter to be referred to the Labour Board . It also , however , works the other way , particularly in the case where you have a majority government where you have amendments , even if they are in-scope , unless they are brought in with some advance notice , leave the opposition members in a very difficult situation , not being able to consider them , not being able to discuss these items with our caucus . You are taking these punitive financial measures and other measures in this bill to get your pound of flesh . Moreover , he has to be a true " casuist " in these responsa , that is , he has to employ a variety of sources to come to his conclusion rather than simply subsuming the case at hand under one specific rule , itself part of a larger general category . In the New Testament as well as in the Old , faith is transmitted through " songs , hymns , and inspired canticles " If faith could be communicated by merely conceptual indoctrination , living tradition would hardly be necessary . So essentially what this does is ensure the independence of the Manitoba Labour Board to ensure that it is the Manitoba Labour Board that makes the request rather than the Lieutenant-Governor-in-Council directing the Manitoba Labour Board to do certain things . That is the only conclusion that I can draw from the answer that the Minister of Labour gave . To suggest I would go to these lengths to go to a measured approach is just beyond belief . So that is the reason why I believe that - - and I can get more fully into some detail in this discussion further in the bill , but I think it is important , because this ties in with another section of this bill , that we delete it at this time . The Premier ( Mr. Filmon ) at that evening , which I was present at the back of the room , essentially made a speech that could be summarized as the world is changing , the world is changing very rapidly , change is difficult , change for all of us is difficult , but we have to change because the world is changing and it is changing very rapidly , and change is difficult , but we all have to change because the world is changing and it is changing very rapidly . MTS is proposing that there will be equal employer and employee pensioner representation on the new pension committee . I do not know whether I passively consent when I do not know that something has happened to which I ordinarily would be entitled to information but fail to receive that information , for example , in regard to a trust involving a minor or a trust involving a mentally incompetent person , or any other shareholding arrangement or corporate arrangement where a corporation is in some associate status . What is the value of the change , not simply what is the change . Mr. Reid : Mr. Chairperson , presenters who came before this committee last week indicated to this committee that there are times when the employers or the labour organization take certain steps to instruct people who are under their care , control and responsibility , but knowing that human personalities and human nature and people are able to make their own decisions independent of these two bodies , it seems to be reasonable to expect that there should be some counsel that could be afforded by both the employer and the labour organizations to what is and what is not proper conduct . One of the reasons we have protection under our rules for the ability of people to only bring in-scope amendments is - - there is a reason for these committee hearings - - to make sure everybody is aware of that particular content .