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The intent is fully that any land that is held in the name of MTS will become land of MTS in the process here . There are so many complex issues from the maybe obvious issues of what will the ownership structure of the corporation look like , what will the land transfers and asset transfers require , what kinds of Orders-in-Council , what kinds of division of the holdings of various things where MTS currently shares easements and rights of way and where it shares premises and where it shares in some cases , I believe , even some equipment with other corporations . The first thing is , they should have made available to all Manitobans factual information about this issue in open public ways , using all of the tools that they are so prone to use in crisis to make their case , to make their case not rationally or with data , but to make their case emotionally , with propaganda sheets devised by the former spin merchant of the Premier , Barbara Biggar and her company , and to shamelessly use not their own assets as a government or party , but the assets of the Manitoba Telephone System , as though Mr. Chairperson , the Manitoba Telephone System Board of Directors had approved the sale , this privatization , when in fact , they had not even been consulted . However , about three or four weeks later he attended in my office and had another view of the proposals that I made to him , and suddenly his story changed . Mr. Findlay : There are certainly parcels of land that are held in the name of the Crown for MTS , and we have to be sure that we have provisions for all the means of conveying those kinds of lands to the MTS of the future . I missed his words in terms of that issue , in terms of I believe it was head office . Mr. Reid : I am not going to let this pass , because it is this government that has been in office for the period of time that we have seen the worst reduction in rail jobs , I believe , in the history of this province . It gives some element of transparency , independence and accountability , just simply the publication of the report does that , and that is what the report that I have read does . Again , I do not have any legal expertise , let alone the legal expertise required to enquire in this area , but in law , is a government a person , and is a foreign government a foreign person ? You are contravening the decision of the Supreme Court and yet you are the minister of a Crown whose sworn duty is to uphold the law of this land and the decisions that are made by those courts .