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We can certainly continue to have political discussions in the Legislature or elsewhere , but on this issue of pensions I think the other thing that is important for all committee members to understand is we are not talking about a further adjustment or enhancement to the pension plan . We spoke in the jury room about the fact that the wrong people were on trial , that it should have been the ones that planned the raid and orchestrated it and insisted on carrying out this plan who should have been on trial . I would say the position that we put forward today represents just that , fairness and being very reasonable . I think , Sir , you misunderstand that we have a democratic process in this province , and what you are attempting to do through this legislation , through Bill 26 , is undermine the principles of democracy in the province of Manitoba and as our practice in our country of Canada . Mr. Reid : Mr. Chairperson , I think it is important here that because the government clearly through their legislation wants the union organizations of this province to communicate with all of the employees in the bargaining unit with respect to use of dues for political purposes , if that is their will and their wish , and a right that has been afforded them under ruling by the Supreme Court of Canada in the Levine case , I believe that the government should accept this amendment which would allow for those dues to remain internal to the union organization for those employees so wishing not to have their dues used for political purpose . I have no objection if it is procedurally correct for the minister to read all the amendments in at the present time , but I believe we have to pass them individually . Do you think that for one moment , Mr. Chair , that I would bother going through all these various amendments to punish the trade unions when the simplest thing that this party could do is simply abolish the Rand Formula and have the unions go cap in hand to their members to collect their union dues , like it was before 1976 , and the way that Mr. Sid Green suggested it should be , before he brought in Rand Formula in this province , something he admits was a mistake ? Mr. Chairperson , the fact that we are sitting here on the last day of the session and only now getting around to detailed consideration of this bill speaks to the immense complexity of doing what the government is doing by privatizing this corporation . Just very , very simply , Mr. Chair , the unions have a choice . In short , while irresponsibility , disorganization , and sheer propaganda by a professor may be detected by students in the classroom , the positive things-what makes it all meaningful and worthwhile-cannot be assessed for a college faculty in general without some external clues as to their educational preparation and capabilities , as judged by those professionally qualified to judge .