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" What Grisez is also saying is that attempts of Church officials to deny the moral nature of this type of situation has been a source of scandal , leading both Catholics and non-Catholics to conclude that the Church , in effect , exempts priests from ordinary moral responsibility instead of holding them to Christian standards , which include and go beyond ordinary morality . Among those Bennington professors with Ph.D. ' s , some are from top-ranked universities , such as Harvard , Chicago , and Berkeley . " That is a very serious charge , made only slightly less odious by the qualifying " they seem . To the first group , Grisez has an answer honed for years by his philosophical training and teaching : if morality is a matter of truth that can be articulated , it is thereby a matter of public discourse . It is a problem that sometimes poisons our debates , and it is regrettable when that happens , and I would acknowledge that both sides - - and I take personal responsibility for my part in this - - sometimes poison debate , because we do , by virtue of the fact that this is to a significant extent a class-based , sociodemographic representation that we enjoy here , work with disproportionately more poor people in our ridings than the Conservative Party does . " The editors allow that there is a " legitimate concern for Christian persecution , " but question whether it is legitimate for the policy of a " pluralist society " to single out the persecution of Christians . In this case , it is a double problem because it is also out of scope , so I appreciate the minister is indicating that now . I do not think any of us enjoy serving in such a situation , but on the other hand , the saying which was quoted to us at least once during the public hearings , that for evil to triumph all that is required is for good people to do nothing , is also true . Authorities , whether Christian or pagan , were much less highly regarded than previously . There is a great deal of worry out there amongst people . Also Section 38 is also being amended , to which the member referred to , so that amendment is to come to effectively do the same thing there . Again , I do not have any legal expertise , let alone the legal expertise required to enquire in this area , but in law , is a government a person , and is a foreign government a foreign person ?