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The reason that I in fact agreed with the Canadian Federation of Labor 's submission to me that exceptional circumstances should be taken into account are exactly these kinds of situations which in certain situations may include this kind of situation . The concept of tradition , some object , can be of no help because the battles about tradition simply reproduce on another level the battles about liturgy itself . If an employee is required to pay Rand Formula dues , I submit that the union is required to disclose how those dues are spent , and a union , who for some aberration , does not provide the information that Mr. Reid says they always do , chooses not to , they can restore their Rand Formula dues very , very quickly by simply providing the information that they always do anyway . One group holds that modern Catholics are disgusted by the tasteless experiments and pedestrian language currently in use ; the other insists that the laity are repelled by a petrified liturgy that is tied to a vanished civilization and removes the Church from active participation in the modern world . The use of specially blessed water recalls Old Testament events such as the Flood , the crossing of the Red Sea , and the striking of the rock by Moses ( 1 Corinthians 10:1 -4 ; 1 Peter 3:20 -21 ) as well as Jesus ? I also said the same thing to Mr. Bernard Christophe , and we had a long discussion , he and his table officers , in respect of every single one of these amendments that I have brought here , not specifically but generally . However , about three or four weeks later he attended in my office and had another view of the proposals that I made to him , and suddenly his story changed . This will prevent the last collective agreement from taking precedent , and this is the issue that I referenced in the opening comments with my attempt to delete the temporary terms and conditions definition at the front of this bill , because what this bill will do , will allow the government to set the temporary terms and conditions , which is pay and benefits , for employees who are required to work under the essential services agreement and does not spell out that it is the provisions of the last collective agreement that should be in force and in effect until such time as it is superseded by another agreement that would be imposed or negotiated . William J. Bouwsma , a professor emeritus of history at Berkeley , adds another twist to the recalibration of the Western story . After the special share is extinguished , the minister is attempting , by other amendments , to protect some of the things government wishes to protect . As I read this , as a layperson , I have been involved in some partnerships and have some knowledge of others who are involved in partnerships , and they have to obtain consent or direction before they can dispose of partnership 's assets or their own assets held under and through the partnership . I think obviously in this case there must have been some communication to the minister before on this matter , and if the minister had considered this , by putting it out early on , it gives some chance for consideration . I believe it was also raised by members of the public who came before this committee , and they suggested that , if there are going to be punitive financial measures put in place through this legislation , there needs to be some fairness established to allow for the most accurate survey of those members possible that would be contained in the bargaining unit . Mr. Reid : I believe , Mr. Chairperson , this will go a long way towards giving the employee access to the information that the minister says that is currently not being supplied to them , which we know , having consulted many labour organizations , in fact most labour organizations of this province to find out the practices that they have , and I am told that each and every one of them that I have talked with does provide that detailed financial information to their members at the meetings and that any member so wishing to receive that information and be privy to that , information is made available to them . So their opposition , the opposition of every single municipality in this province to what you are doing , is based on fearmongering by the NDP . If he is going to call for a recorded vote on every one of them , then can we just have it taken as a recorded vote so we do not have to go through the charade of putting up our hands and all that sort of thing ? Since Grisez has already laid out the principles of his moral theology with architectonic precision in the first two volumes of this proposed four-volume series , one might suppose that readers-whether or not they agree with him on the level of principle-could assume that all his answers to specific questions in this volume are predictable from what he has already said . MTS has obtained an opinion from Buck Consultants , an actuary and an asset consultant , confirming that the new MTS pension plan will provide for benefits to present and former MTS employees and their survivors , which , as of the implementation date of the new plan , are equivalent in value to the benefits provided under The Civil Service Superannuation Act. A 2.3 percent increase will move judges ' salaries to a level equivalent to the first step of the salary range for the most senior deputy ministers , the Deputy Minister 3 level . I might just indicate that every union that came before the committee indicated that there was never any problem with obtaining any financial information . Should there be a sanctuary , an altar rail , a prominent tabernacle , sacred images ? Nevertheless , for the purposes of this act , they are deemed to be affiliated by virtue of their common parent , whether or not they have anything to do with each other at a company-to-company level . Therefore , much as we regret that we said one thing in the past , we must now , for the good of Manitobans , do another thing in the future . So that is the reason why I believe that - - and I can get more fully into some detail in this discussion further in the bill , but I think it is important , because this ties in with another section of this bill , that we delete it at this time .