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I think obviously in this case there must have been some communication to the minister before on this matter , and if the minister had considered this , by putting it out early on , it gives some chance for consideration . Nevertheless , for the purposes of this act , they are deemed to be affiliated by virtue of their common parent , whether or not they have anything to do with each other at a company-to-company level . Mr. Toews : Just in response to some of the statements of the member for Transcona ( Mr. Reid ) , first of all , it is ridiculous to think that this is done in any punitive way . Mr. Reid : Mr. Chairperson , in the legislation itself , the Clause 9 that the minister has included with the bill references notwithstanding the last collective agreement , and I am sure we all know what the word " notwithstanding " means in this respect or in our previous experiences with this word in the Canadian relationship . I would just make the suggestion for future bills , and I know we are dealing with some other bills that are coming up fairly soon . Let the Labour Board determine , because it is an independent quasi-judicial body , to look at the conditions and the policies ; the conditions of the strike or lockout and the picket line involved ; the activities , whether or not there were provisions as a result of those picket line activities that involved perhaps some way where members of the union that were on the picket line would be incited to take certain actions either on the part of the employer or other persons and that those factors need to be taken into consideration in fairness to those people . That is why I asked this Minister of Labour the question : What changes are you contemplating ? Mr. Chairman , I ask you , do you want me to read each of the nine in Section 1 into the record and move them and discuss them all , or is there a desire just to do them one at a time ? If he wishes to propose a friendly amendment that would reflect an increase in those fine levels for those that do not comply , I would be willing to entertain such a motion to see an increase in the fine level from the current level of $ 2,000 to some other level . If they will be distributed right away , so all members will have a copy of each of the amendments . It is a problem that sometimes poisons our debates , and it is regrettable when that happens , and I would acknowledge that both sides - - and I take personal responsibility for my part in this - - sometimes poison debate , because we do , by virtue of the fact that this is to a significant extent a class-based , sociodemographic representation that we enjoy here , work with disproportionately more poor people in our ridings than the Conservative Party does . I would note in this particular case that has not happened , those amendments have not been distributed in advance on this . What we are proposing here is that any individual who contravenes this confidentiality provision and disseminates that information in any way other than discussing it or talking about it or dealing with it , with matters of that particular bargaining unit , the person that would do such actions outside of that bargaining unit would contravene The Labour Relations Act and therefore be subject to any penalties or provisions as afforded under that act . So the legislation goes to remedy that balance to ensure that employees in fact can direct their unions to carry out their wishes . I explained all those amendments and those proposals in a very general way to Mr. Desjarlais . That is why I reference the fact that perhaps that action can be taken here to combine the two to allow for the Manitoba Human Rights Code to be included under this section . For Catholics , they present the point of view of a theologian of extraordinary learning in the tradition of the Church , a thinker whose even more extraordinary rational power makes compelling arguments for whatever position he takes in each respective case . Should the homily be an authoritative word or a sharing of personal faith experiences ? Without those provisions in there , the fairness factor will not be built in and those employees will lose their employment in many cases as a result of the employer being able to act as both prosecutor and judge . Mr. Reid : I wonder if the minister could read for the benefit of the committee these phrases that are in here and perhaps give us some explanation of what they mean , not being a bilingual individual myself .