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Mr. Chairperson : Mr. Minister , might I suggest that you not indicate that you move every one of them as you read them . What I am proposing here is to permit the Labour Board to have the opportunity to be able to determine whether or not those requests are unreasonable and unwarranted and then to impose reasonable limitations on such requests , and that they would have the power to make determination whether or not an employee is attempting to be in some ways disruptive , as for example , or some other reasons that may be determined by the board and may seek out that information from the employee why they are seeking out or making so many requests . I do not think any of us enjoy serving in such a situation , but on the other hand , the saying which was quoted to us at least once during the public hearings , that for evil to triumph all that is required is for good people to do nothing , is also true . This will prevent the last collective agreement from taking precedent , and this is the issue that I referenced in the opening comments with my attempt to delete the temporary terms and conditions definition at the front of this bill , because what this bill will do , will allow the government to set the temporary terms and conditions , which is pay and benefits , for employees who are required to work under the essential services agreement and does not spell out that it is the provisions of the last collective agreement that should be in force and in effect until such time as it is superseded by another agreement that would be imposed or negotiated . So that is the reason why I believe that - - and I can get more fully into some detail in this discussion further in the bill , but I think it is important , because this ties in with another section of this bill , that we delete it at this time . There are so many complex issues from the maybe obvious issues of what will the ownership structure of the corporation look like , what will the land transfers and asset transfers require , what kinds of Orders-in-Council , what kinds of division of the holdings of various things where MTS currently shares easements and rights of way and where it shares premises and where it shares in some cases , I believe , even some equipment with other corporations . I am canvassing the principal players to see if it would be appropriate for the minister or the critic to have any opening remarks . If the names and addresses of the employees are not available , are not provided by the employer , as I have indicated earlier , where some members of that particular bargaining unit may be employed in their own homes , for example , or outside of the particular isolated work area where they can be easily identified , then it seems reasonable to request this amendment that would allow for that list of names to be provided to the union by the employer to allow for the most accurate communication possible to determine the wishes and the will of those employees . So their opposition , the opposition of every single municipality in this province to what you are doing , is based on fearmongering by the NDP . For , as the centuries succeed one another , the Church constantly moves forward toward the fullness of divine truth until the words of God reach their fulfillment in her . " Beyond that , courts have applied a " fortress " theory when firearms are found " readily available in strategic locations " on the premises , and any defendants also on the premises at the time can be convicted of using and carrying . Nevertheless , Grisez engages in overkill when , in responding to a question about pro-life political activity , he states that abortion is " in some ways comparable to those crimes [ those of Hitler and Stalin ] and in other ways even worse . It is a problem that sometimes poisons our debates , and it is regrettable when that happens , and I would acknowledge that both sides - - and I take personal responsibility for my part in this - - sometimes poison debate , because we do , by virtue of the fact that this is to a significant extent a class-based , sociodemographic representation that we enjoy here , work with disproportionately more poor people in our ridings than the Conservative Party does . He tries to persuade them to accept a certain moral alternative by rational means , appealing to both universal and Christian truths , using criteria of coherence and sufficient evidence to make his points . Should the celebrant face the people during the Eucharistic prayer , or should both priests and people be turned eastward toward the coming Lord ? Mr. Reid : I believe , Mr. Chairperson , this will allow for some fairness to prevail under the application process so that there would not be undue influence exerted by either party with respect to the certification process and to allow the employees themselves to hear both sides in the certification application , and that is why we have raised this amendment . This response , however , raises yet another difficulty . Every union leader that I talk to , I made that clear . I also said the same thing to Mr. Bernard Christophe , and we had a long discussion , he and his table officers , in respect of every single one of these amendments that I have brought here , not specifically but generally . As was said more than once during our presentations , it is one thing , though not desirable in our modern world , to go next door to make a phone call and quite another thing to have to go a number of miles to make a phone call , and you know , Mr. Chairperson , I think members opposite and members on this side of the House suffer from a very real problem . MSOS and the Union of Manitoba Municipalities , both for its decision to privatize and for the process of privatization . I have been unable to find any organization that does not take a strike vote on the employer 's last offer or a vote on the issues affecting the last offer and at the same time determine whether or not strike action would be appropriate . So what I want to do here by this wording here is just to tighten it up on the intent of what the clause is to make sure that no employee who is required to work under the essential services agreement will be prevented on their own time from participating in any activities of their choosing . Mr. Reid : I believe , Mr. Chairperson , this will go a long way towards giving the employee access to the information that the minister says that is currently not being supplied to them , which we know , having consulted many labour organizations , in fact most labour organizations of this province to find out the practices that they have , and I am told that each and every one of them that I have talked with does provide that detailed financial information to their members at the meetings and that any member so wishing to receive that information and be privy to that , information is made available to them .