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MSOS and the Union of Manitoba Municipalities , both for its decision to privatize and for the process of privatization . Here it seems that we have an instance of Grisez 's moral passion getting the better of his moral reason . Long before the schisms of the sixteenth century , and even longer before the philosophes of the Enlightenment and the French Revolution , here was the beginning of the " modern " problem of pluralism in public life and its governing institutions . Weber , for instance , is not very good in helping to explain differences in the performance of Protestant groups ; why so few Calvinists have been found who actually taught what Weber imputes to them ; why the economic performance of some Calvinist groups was long retarded ; and , as Randall Collins points out , why Weber did not see that all the conditions for the rise of the spirit of capitalism that Weber attributes to the eighteenth century had already been met in the twelfth , as the huge tide of economic innovations and great social transformations at that time suggests . We tabled information that has a very disturbing fact in it , at least an alleged fact , which flies in the face of , goes against all of the assurances of the Premier ( Mr. Filmon ) , the Minister responsible for Telephones ( Mr. Findlay ) , that the fact of privatization will have no bearing on rates . The entity of the state , following natural and human laws , was seen to have a legitimate place alongside the Church . Indeed , one of the favourite topics of the member for Transcona , railroads in the last century seemed to be a natural monopoly , and railroads would never change and rail jobs would always be there and things never change , and then , surprise , surprise , the world changes and you have got to make changes to keep in touch with those changes . As Cardinal Newman and others said of another definition of dogma in the nineteenth century , however , I also believe such a step would be " inopportune , " in the extreme . Meanwhile , ECT has been moving ahead with very careful theological consultations and meetings between Catholic bishops and evangelical leaders , both here and in Latin America , aimed at evangelizing the world for Christ with rather than against one another in the twenty-first century .