I 'm  I 'm not sure , um , if  if there are any wired mikes in those meetings , or , uh , I have  have to loo have a look at them but , I 'm  I 'm  I think there 's no difference between ,
So it 's just the lapel versus everything else ?
Yeah. Yeah.
OK , so then , if that 's five minutes per meeting we 've got like twelve minutes , twelve meetings , roughly , that I 'm  that I 've been working with , then