for instance , um  So , I guess , it sort of depends on if it is a referring exp if it 's identifiable already or it 's a new thing.
Mm - hmm.
If it 's a new thing you 'd have to like create a structure or whatever. If it 's an old thing it could be referring to , um , usually w something in a situation , right ? Or something in ontology.
uh - huh.