Mm - hmm.
and , um , yesterdayday  there was this uh  uh I thought that the other branch would just approve it , but now there 's actually a little back sliding to people who  who approved it got flak from there , eh anyway. So , um  Oh ! I have to tell you a wonderful story about this , OK ? And then we 'll go. So , I  it turns out I wound up having lunch today with a guy named Tom Kalil. KILL  KALIL. And , uh , he now works at Berkeley. In fact he 's hired to run a lot of CITRIS , even though we don't have the money they  So they 've been hiring people right and left , so , uh , they think the money 's coming. So  and he was , I think , the chief staffer to Clinton on technology matters. He was in the White House , I don't remember what he was saying. A anyway , like that. And , is now doing all the politics for CITRIS , but also , has a uh , a lot of interest in uh , actually doing things for society , so digital divide and stuff like that. So that 's s interesting to me but maybe not to you. But the really interesting thing was , he st he s he s said something about , you know I 'm interested in things that have high social multiplier , something that is of great social value. He said , " for example " , this was his only example , " if you had a adult literacy program that was as good as an individual tutor , and as compelling as a video game , then that would have a huge social impact ". I said , " Oh great ! That 's a good problem to work on. " Anyway. So it was nice that uh , he 's got this view , of A , that 's what you should try to do , and B , uh , language would be a good way to do it.
Mmm. Definitely.
So that 's  So anyway , that 's the end of the story.