Well it 's also , there 's , really a difference between , the pronunciation models in the dictionary , and , the pronunciations that people produce. And , so , You get , some of that information from Steve 's work on the  on the labeling
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and it really , I actually think that data should be used more. That maybe , although I think the meeting context is great , that he has transcriptions that give you the actual phone sequence. And you can go from  not from that to the articulatory features , but that would be a better starting point for marking , the gestural features , then , data where you don't have that , because , we  you wanna know , both about the way that they 're producing a certain sound , and what kinds of , you know what kinds of , phonemic , differences you get between these , transcribed , sequences and the dictionary ones.