and they didn't  the one meeting didn't always follow on for the other one , you know , sort of  we had things thrown in at the second meeting where , you know , you'd looked at the remote controls and seen the curviness , but in the first one you'd also looked at some remote controls and looked at the buttons ,
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and I don't understand why it would be in separate meetings that you'd do that. You know , you'd sort of  you'd probably present it at one or something like that.
Mm ,   The only thing you find is in a manufacturing process , you would  normally , you go to a meeting , you decide , right , you do this , you do that , you do that.