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OK. And so forth and so forth. Um , I will talk about our problems with the rephrasing , and how we solved it , and some preliminary observations , also , um , I 'm not gonna put in the figures from Liz , but I thought it would interesting to , uh , um , point out that it 's basically the same. Um , as in every human - human telephone conversation , and the human - computer telephone conversation is of course quite d quite different from , uh , some first , uh , observations. Then sort of feed you back to our original problem cuz , uh  how to get there , what actually is happening there today , and then maybe talk about the big picture here , e tell a little bit  as much as I  can about the NTL story. I  I wa I do wanna , um  I 'm not quite sure about this , whether I should put this in , um , that , you know , you have these two sort of different ideas that are  or two different camps of people envisioning how language understanding works , and then ,  talk a bit about the embodied and simulation approach favored here and as a prelude , I 'll talk about monkeys in Italy. And , um , Srini was gonna send me some slides but he didn't do it , so from  but I have the paper , I can make a resume of that , and then I stole an X - schema from one of your talks I think.