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Yeah , so I mean , what , what  where this is , I mean , I I want would like to have something that 's useful to people other than those who are doing the specific kind of research I have in mind , so it should be something broader. But , The  but uh where I 'm coming from is , uh , we 're coming off of stuff that Larry Saul did with  with , um , uh , John Dalan and Muzim Rahim in which , uh , they , uh , have , um , a m a multi - band system that is , uh , trained through a combination of gradient learning an and EM , to  um , estimate , uh ,  the , uh , value for m for  for a particular feature. OK. And this is part of a larger , image that John Dalan has about how the human brain does it in which he 's sort of imagining that , individual frequency channels are coming up with their own estimate , of  of these , these kinds of  something like this. Might not be , you know , exact features that , Jakobson thought of or something. But I mean you know some , something like that. Some kind of low - level features , which are not , fully , you know , phone classification. And the  the  th this particular image , of how thi how it 's done , is that , then given all of these estimates at that level , there 's a level above it , then which is  is making , some kind of sound unit classification such as , you know , phone and  and , you know. You could argue what , what a sound unit should be , and  and so forth. But that  that 's sort of what I was imagining doing , um , and  but it 's still open within that whether you would have an intermediate level in which it was actually phones , or not. You wouldn't necessarily have to. Um , but , Again , I wouldn't wanna , wouldn't want what we  we produced to be so , know , local in perspective that it  it was matched , what we were thinking of doing one week , And  and , and , you know , what you 're saying is absolutely right. That , that if we , can we should put in , uh , another level of , of description there if we 're gonna get into some of this low - level stuff.
Well , you know , um  I mean if we 're talking about , having the , annotators annotate these kinds of features , it seems like , You know , you  The  the question is , do they do that on , meeting data ? Or do they do that on , Switchboard ?
That 's what I was saying ,