Do  have  Have people sort of stopped going to ICASSP in recent years ?
Um , people are less consistent about going to ICASSP and I think it 's still  it 's still a reasonable forum for students to  to present things. Uh , it 's  I think for engineering students of any kind , I think it 's  it 's if you haven't been there much , it 's good to go to , uh to get a feel for things , a range of things , not just speech. Uh. But I think for  for sort of dyed - in - the - wool speech people , um I think that ICSLP and Eurospeech are much more targeted.
Mm - hmm.
Uh. And then there 's these other meetings , like HLT and  and uh ASRU