Right.
But that 's sort of what you want to avoid. And so that feels  I don't know how to get out of this.
Well , here 's a  here 's a , uh , uh Here 's a generic and possibly useless thought , which is ,  um , what do you really  I mean , in a sense the only s s systems that make sense , uh , are ones that  that have something from top - down in th in them. Right ? Because if e even the smallest organism that 's trying to learn to do anything , if it doesn't have any kind of reward for doing  or penal penalty for doing anything , then it 's just going to behave randomly.
Mm - hmm.