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And I had one other  one other aspect of this which is , um , uh , uh , Jonathan Fiscus expressed primar uh y a major interest in having meetings which were all English speakers. Now he wasn't trying to shape us in terms of what we gather
Mm - hmm.
but that 's what he wanted me to show him. So I 'm giving him our , um  our initial meeting because he asked for all English. And I think we don't have a lot of all English meetings right now.