Right.
and it really , I actually think that data should be used more. That maybe , although I think the meeting context is great , that he has transcriptions that give you the actual phone sequence. And you can go from  not from that to the articulatory features , but that would be a better starting point for marking , the gestural features , then , data where you don't have that , because , we  you wanna know , both about the way that they 're producing a certain sound , and what kinds of , you know what kinds of , phonemic , differences you get between these , transcribed , sequences and the dictionary ones.
Well you might be right that mi might be the way at getting at , what I was talking about , but the particular reason why I was interested in doing that was because I remember , when that happened , and , John Ohala was over here and he was looking at the spectrograms of the more difficult ones. Uh , he didn't know what to say , about , what is the sequence of phones there. They came up with some compromise. Because that really wasn't what it look like. It didn't look like a sequence of phones
Right.