Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm. Yeah.
Yeah , I also sat and chatted with several of the NIST folks. They seemed like a good group.
What was the , um  the paper by , um , Lori Lamel that you mentioned ?
Um , yeah , we sh we should just have you  have you read it , but , I mea ba i i uh , we 've all got these little proceedings ,