Ten times about , is  and so one of the things was to get an estimate of how long it would take , and then also what tools we would use. And so the next decision which has to be made actually pretty soon is how are we gonna do it ? So.
And so you make Jane do the first one so then she can decide , oh , we don't need all this stuff , just the words are fine.
That 's right , that 's right.
That 's right.