Yeah , cuz a lot of time it 's true , there were a lot of times when we 've tried something and it didn't work right away , even though we had an intuition that there should be something there. And so then we would just stop it. Um And , uh , one of the things  I don't remember the details on , but I remember at some point , when you were working with a second stream , and you tried a low - pass filtering to cepstrum , in some case you got
MSG Yeah.
Well , but it was  an MSG - like thing , but it wasn't MSG , right ? Uh , you  y I think in some case you got some little improvement , but it was , you know , sort of a small improvement , and it was a  a big added complication , so you dropped it. But , um , that was just sort of one try , right ? You just took one filter , threw it there ,
Yeah ,