Um , when  when no one i when we 're not actually in the meeting ,  and we 're all sort of separated , and  and doing things. But even during the meeting there 's a lot of overlap but it  it 's marked pretty clearly. Um , some of the backchannel stuff Jane had some comments  and  but I think a lot of them were because you were at the meeting. And so I think that  that often   often you can't tell.
Yeah , well that 's true. That 's another issue.
I mean , Jane had  had comments like uh , to  who  who the person was speaking to.
Yeah.