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Yeah. Now ,  you know , maybe you 'd use something from the others just because at the beginning of a call you don't know anything , and so you might have some kind of general thing that 's your best guess to start with. But  So , s I  I  you know , a lot of these things are proprietary so we 're doing a little bit of guesswork here. I mean , what do comp what do people do who really face these problems in the field ? Well , they have companies and they don't tell other people exactly what they do.
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But  but I mean , when you  the  the hints that you get from what they  when they talk about it are that they do  they all do something like this.