And partly it 's related to rhythmic structure in conversation , so ,  you know , you  you t Yeah , this is d also um , people tend to time their  their   their , um  when they  come into the conversation based on the overall rhythmic ,  uh uh , ambient thing.
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So you don't want to be c cross - cutting. And  and , just to finish this , that um That I think that  there may be an upper bound on how many overlaps you can have , simply from the standpoint of audibility and how loud the other people are who are already  in the fray. But I  you know , of certain types. Now if it 's just backchannels ,  people  may be doing that  with less  intention of being heard ,  just sort of spontaneously doing backchannels , in which case  that  those might  there may be no upper bound on those.