but   but you don't want to keep , uh  keep knocking at it if it 's  if you 're not getting any  any result with that. But , I mean , the other things that we talked about is , uh ,  pitch - related things and harmonicity - related things ,
Yeah.
so  which we thought also should be some kind of a reasonable indicator. Um  But , uh , a completely different tack on it wou is the one that was suggested , uh , by your colleagues in Spain ,
Yeah.