Hmm.
So. So there 's a lot of discussion now about this uh new criterion. Because Nokia was objecting , with uh QualComm 's  we basically supported that , we said " yes ".
Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm.
Now everybody else is saying " well you guys might  must be out of your mind. " uh The  Guenter Hirsch who d doesn't speak for Ericsson anymore because he is not with Ericsson and Ericsson may not  may withdraw from the whole Aurora activity because they have so many troubles now.