Mm - hmm.
And and so I guess what I don't understand is how to do that and still be discriminative , because to be discriminative you have to have categories and the only categories that we know of to use are sort of these human  human sig significant  categories that are significant to humans , like phonemes , things like that.
Right.
But that 's sort of what you want to avoid. And so that feels  I don't know how to get out of this.