Mm - hmm.
Uh  uh , there 's a Professor Kollmeier , uh , from Germany who 's , uh , uh , quite big in the , uh , hearing - aid signal - processing area and , um , Michael Kleinschmidt , who 's worked with him , who also looks at  auditory properties inspired by various , uh , brain function things.
Hmm.
So , um , um , I think they 'll be interesting to talk to , in this sort of issue as these detectors are  are , uh , developing.