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<In article <1r208f$bp2@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D.
<>No, you were right the first time.  Law enforcement agencies should keep
<>HIS opinions in mind before breaking into or assaulting ANYBODY'S house.
<
<OK, let me correct my unfortunate choice of words:  I just hope that the
<law enforcement agencies keep your attitude in mind the next time your
<wife is gang-raped by a bunch of juvenile, drug-dealing thugs while she
<was jogging in the park.  No, strike that... (etc.)
<
<>The BATF came out with horse trailers, 100 men, ninja uniforms, machine 
<>guns, and stun grenades, and used them before Koresh could even look 
<>at the warrant.  Koresh fought back, and people died.
<
<The key part of this sentense is "Koresh fought back."  This was his big
<mistake.  When the police decide to exert their authority over you, you
<don't fight back unless you want people to get hurt.  You cease all
<resistance and signal your submission to their authority.  The cops

They are the BOSS.  You are the SUBJECT.  The concept of defense against
illegal action under color of law is kaput.  No longer is it government
of the people by the people, its government of the people by the biggest
guns.  The idea of 'sorting it out in court later' is fine, but one
has to GET TO COURT IN ONE PIECE to do that.  Korash had good reason
to think that he was not going to get that chance.  (see below).

<aren't in it to beat up and kill people, in spite of the actions of a
<few bad apples.  If you quit resisting, they quit hitting.  Perhaps the
<BATF did over react to the threat posed by Koresh.  Perhaps they did use
<too much force.  OK, fine.  I'm willing to concede to that point if
<sufficient proof is produced (and I admit that there is some evidence to
<indicate this).  However, resisting the BATF is the worst thing Koresh
<could have done.  If they hadn't resisted, there is a good chance that
<no one would have been hurt.  Remeber, they were using stun grenades,
<not anti-personnel grenades.  If the BDs were not in violation of any

Rember, Korash didn't get to sort this all out, serenely typing at his
keyboard.  He heard SOME KIND OF EXPLOSIVES go off, he saw he was being
ATTACKED with no overt action from him (yet).  He could no more say 'oh,
its ok, its only stun grenades' anymore than I could.  He slammed the door at
that point and proceeded to repel the attackers.  He felt in genuine fear
of his life - I know I would be in fear of MY life at that point.  Have
you ever been shot at?  How clear and logically could you think, under
that pressure, when you MIGHT have ALL OF 1 or 2 SECONDS to evaluate
what is going on?  And, it would not be the first time that 'law
enforcements' intended to bring in their suspect horizontally.  For
all we know, he was informed by someone saying something like "Hey,
guy, the BATF is coming like gangbusters, and they mean to WASTE you..."

According to the latest news, the released warrant (so we are told) said
the reason for this WW III raid was that Korash's group had spent around
$200,000.00 on firearms and related stuff (over an undetermined period).
Now, even assuming that the figure isn't calculated like the Feds do a
drug siezure, for 90 people, that isn't really all that much (you priced
decent guns lately?).  Hell, I can think of a person right now that probably
has that much for ONE INDIVIDUAL, mostly machineguns!!!  Sure, he is
an avid collector, but unless a new law has been passed, it is NOT illegal,
nor an indication of anything illegal, to have a lot of guns.  Also note
that the warrant had NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT MACHINE GUNS.  So, what
is the justification of this cowboy raid, other than a romp gone bad
for some anti-gun media hype, to support Clinton's push for disarming
the unconnected citizen of any and all effective defensive weapons?
This administration has only one thing in mind.  CONTROL.  PEOPLE CONTROL.
Whether it is gun control, Clinton Cripple Chip, National smart ID cards,
it all boils down to PEOPLE CONTROL.  Can you say 1984, only 10 years late?
I knew you could...  :-)

<laws, they would have been released as they had been before.  If this
<had happened and it turned out that the BATF had used too much force,
<then the BDs would have grounds for a law suit and for federal charges
<of civil rights violations (Sounds a lot like LA, huh?  Don't take that
<wrong, I'm not commenting one way or the other about the Rodney King
<case).  But that's not what they wanted.  They got tipped off that the
<BATF was on the way in, and rather than adopting a non-violent,
<non-threatening posture to greet the BATF, they decided to fight.

And BATF knew the BDs were expecting them (via 60 minutes report).  But
they decided they were so big, so bad, they would have a cakewalk at
the BDs expense, for a nice media show anyway.  But it all turned to
shit, and the FBI taking over to manage things, we see it all turned to
shit, too.  Clinton says 'I am taking full responsibility'...  BAH.
Responsibility means to take the repercussions if it goes wrong.  Bet
you NOBODY pays any serious repercussions.  'Responsibility' only has
meaning as media PR, or as a means to corner the average Joe Schmoe.
Figure it out... Clinton, Reno, the FBI and BATF, will all be IMMUNE.
Can you say WHITEWASH?

<I've said enough of this issue.  I'm probably not going to convince any
<of you folks and you're certainly not going to convince me.  I've got
<work to do.
<
<				++Don

Be VERY afraid of our government.  In the land of the free...
And if you decide all this is acceptable, get even MORE afraid... especially
when it is YOU they decide, for some reason, they dislike...
When they no longer feel the need to confine their cowboy tactics to
'kooks', or 'wierdos'...
