He continued playing with De Ramblers until 1945, when on the request of conductor Dolf van der Linden, he became a trombonist and arranger for the new Metropole Orkest.
He continued to play with De Ramblers until 1945, then transitioned to become a trombonist and arranger for the Metropole Orkest under the direction of conductor Dolf van der Linden.