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&gt;Ranging from "God can do whatever he wanted, which is why it was okay for him to actively tell the jews to have horrible pro genocide, pro rape, pro forced abortion laws for centuries, but somehow none of this matters to our new good definitely really good this time morality" to "God can do whatever he wants, so he used the loophole of creating you defined as evil so that he could make the rules for salvation as arbitrary as he wants since you deserve to suffer" to deriving FROM that some kind of assumption that tangible goodness comes secondary to religion, to the weird and incorrect moral skeptic ideas that we know so little about morality that anything religion says goes whether or not we have good reason to think its wrong.

I completely agree.  I've seen each of these three excuses given a thousand times, and they just reek of hand-wringing post-hoc justifications for evil. Tying oneself into mental knots just to maintain the belief that God is 'good', to someone from the outside looking in, it looks barmy.

Plus, there's nothing more infuriating than a theodicy that boils down to, 'his definition of good is not our definition of good'. ***Then he's not good!***
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