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I know you mean well, but although neither side is wholly anything I can advocate, even after seeing Palestine, if I had to choose, I side with Israel. I don't care how persecuted you are, you simply do not kill random civilians. That would fall under indiscriminate escalation, which is different from just having a conflict with someone because each of the different levels of escalation, when surpassed, by definition mark the escalator as an antagonist (especially when not just in Israel; the Jewish committee in America have been threatened, so much that [the unions are distancing themselves](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneapolis-teachers-union-backtracks-on-israel-hamas-war-resolution-we-regret-this/ar-AA1kDlqo?ocid=msedgdhp&amp;pc=HCTS&amp;cvid=b5354f2dbe72426585a04cce19b0ebee&amp;ei=17) and multiple Jewish American leaders have been killed). And they did it on an Israeli holiday (which adds an extra challenge to them explaining why what's going on isn't antisemitic; one of their defenses is "Israeli citizens exist on stolen land, therefore they are thieves and the best punishment for thievery is death" which is almost a word-for-word paraphrasing of Axis Germany's defense).

Israel in comparison, though they've been haughty in how they deal with their neighbors, have been operating under just that, a broken sense of arrogance. If you're wondering, I do despise what Israel has done to Palestine, and the escalations by Palestine and Hamas don't take away from the fact that Israel is guilty, enough that I question US involvement in Israel, especially when the US is already involved in India. I have always known what all three countries are doing to Palestine/Pakistan and it feels like they've been stabbing the bear for so long, like someone who acquires a garden but doesn't nourish its flowers. But it's not something I look at and think "look at how suffering they are, I fully understand why they did what they did now". No I don't. You don't engage in an all-out assault, start a campaign of guerilla warfare which is more psychologically profound, drag Russia and North Korea onto your side just because "they're you're enemies' enemies", and lie when you do commit tragic accidents like the hospital bombings, which nobody doubts was Hamas' and Palestine's doing except them and half their peers (which I understand they cling to because it would foil their original plan of wanting the Saudis to step out of relations with Israel). As a technical LGBT member, I also don't want to say I 100% trust Palestine to be in control anymore than Israel, as that's an internal struggle all on its own.
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