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1: Keep discussions civil.
2: Arguments against veganism will be removed.
3: Sealioning will not be entertained.
4: No bigotry is allowed - including speciesism, racism, sexism, classism, ableism, castism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia.

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I mean, I have been known to do meat. It's just so sexy, all juicy and with the myoglobin dripping. Who wouldn't do it?

Here's the thing. 

Carnist is not a word anyone but vegans use. *Nobody*, except maybe some of the really weird vegetarians that picked it up from vegans. 

It's a word made up to allow in group vs out group speech. It's a word that is core to the "religion" of veganism (and I'm trying very hard not to troll here, I swear this is in good faith, despite the bait you're dangling). The folks that use it unironically? They're the ones that make anyone outside of veganism assume all vegans are assholes. Once a system of belief starts viewing outsiders, non-believers, as "other", it turns into a cult. 

Carnist was specifically made up to divide people. No bullshit, go look up Melanie Joy. And I don't mean just the wiki version, look into her entire way of thinking. She coined the terms carnism and carnists as  a means of  (if I'm being generous) drawing a hard line between vegans and anyone else. Which, I'm not saying there aren't people that *do* form a belief system around eating meat, there are. But that tends to be *in response* to other people giving them grief in one way or another. 


To anyone that isn't vegan, it's permission to dismiss the person using it. Like, I'm pretty damn vegan friendly (even when I'm trolling), and once someone starts throwing the word around, I normally just roll my eyes and nope out because there's no real conversation possible past a certain point. 


So, there's my little mini rant about the word carnist and why it's the dumbest possible thing to call people.  Take it as you will, but I'm coming from a place of wanting humans to be decent to each other as much as possible.  Any time we humans start "othering", real communication and decency becomes so much harder.

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