[16:07] <kaia_> hi all
[16:07] <kaia_>  i am running a mashine with xubuntu and just installed another HD where i want to see some DATA, pls help


[18:39] <Roasted_> hi
[18:39] <Roasted_> is this a channel literally about ubuntu in a school classroom?
[18:40] <mhall119> Roasted_: no
[18:40] <Roasted_> hm, bummer.
[18:40] <mhall119> this channel is for holding virtual classes
[18:40] <mhall119> Roasted_: you might be interested in #edubuntu though
[18:40] <Roasted_> I'm trying to find out more about anybody whos put ubuntu into school districts
[18:41] <Roasted_> good thought. I didnt even think of that.
[18:41] <mhall119> #edubuntu definitely
[18:41] <Roasted_> appreciate it, bro.
[18:41] <mhall119> np


[00:00] <hatch> haha no it's fine, it makes sense
[00:00] <huwshimi> Also the card "When constraints are hidden, they still show upon selecting the machine." is that bug you're seeing or do you want it to still show for the selected machine?
[00:01] <rick_h_> added
[00:01] <rick_h_> huwshimi: so if you hide containts from the list, but select a machine
[00:01] <rick_h_> they should show up, at least per the designs
[00:01] <rick_h_> it's a bug I'm seeing currently, hiding constraints will never show them even when you select a machine token
[00:01] <huwshimi> Ah yes, I understand
[00:02] <huwshimi> "disable add container for anything but MAAS" is a massive, massive card
[00:03] <rick_h_> huwshimi: :) well it's a few cards there, but yes. It's one of the 2 big paths this week.
[00:03] <rick_h_> that path and the ecs/data binding conflict path
[00:03] <rick_h_> and then qa/polish
[11:12] <rick_h_> morning party people
[12:55] <jrwren> any Canary users? might want to skip updates right now. Its unstable for me.
[13:19] <rick_h_> jrwren: thanks, good to now
[13:19] <rick_h_> know
[13:30] <hatch> jujugui I need one review (no qa needed) https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pulls
[13:30] <hatch> https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/524
[13:31] <kadams54> lol
[13:31] <rick_h_> hatch: looking
[13:31] <hatch> rick_h_:  thanks - the code is pretty cryptic without the whole picture in your head unfortunately
[13:31] <rick_h_> hatch: ok, I'll just wander around confused a bit and ask lots of questions :P
[13:32] <hatch> haha
[13:42] <hatch> rick_h_:  you can remove a unit from a machine?
[13:43] <rick_h_> hatch: certainly
[13:43] <hatch> hmm I never tested that one
[13:43] <hatch> or made any changes to that...lemme see if it works
[13:43] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, sec let me get the visuals on that
[13:44] <hatch> hmm you can't remove uncommitted units
[13:44] <rick_h_> does this work for you? https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/#folders/0Bzj8yHKHrx6pNkVUTkNPd3RWNTQ/0BwDPGKe0SiMbU0RfOXZIXzJlODg/0B7XG_QBXNwY1V3B3dDNvYXJGRE0/0B7XG_QBXNwY1NEtGaHJYZGM4enM/0B7XG_QBXNwY1aVh1cC0wU0JRaW8
[13:45] <rick_h_> this was part of that talk around the more menu on each unit in the container view
[13:45] <hatch> hmm removing a unit via the inspector also removes the host machine in sandbox
[13:46] <rick_h_> yea, I can't drop another unit on the root container atm to get the two units listed and see if the more menu appears for each
[13:46] <rick_h_> but I'm guessing it's nothere, but yes, you can remove a unit from a container/machine via the container view
[13:47] <rick_h_> hatch: so I'd suggest we get the root container thing fixed up so we can QA and identify any bungs around that
[13:47] <hatch> I'd really like to get this landed - it's been conflicted 3 times already :)
[13:47] <rick_h_> hatch: understood :/ I guess it's progress and we need a couple of things worked on/fixed for the delete scenario
[13:48] <rick_h_> hatch: ok +1 on landing with follow up card created for 'updating machine token when unit is deleted from container  view'
[13:50] <hatch> yeah atm you can't delete a unit only the container
[13:50] <hatch> and you can't delete the container because the unit is assigned
[13:50] <hatch> hah
[13:51] <rick_h_> wheee
[13:51] <hatch> removing a unit via the inspector breaks the mv
[13:51] <hatch> *sigh* filing a bug
[13:52] <rick_h_> :/
[13:57] <hatch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1364956
[13:57] <mup> Bug #1364956: Removing a unit via the inspector creates a sticky remove unit command in the deployer bar <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1364956>
[13:58] <rick_h_> ty, updated
[14:02] <hatch> rick_h_:  testing this stuff in a real env is really difficult because it allows us to do things that aren't supported that put things into a funky state
[14:02] <hatch> like creating lxc containers in ec2 for instance
[14:02] <hatch> it 'works' but then can't delete it because it can't communicate with it
[14:02] <hatch> so maybe we should make sure we have the proper functionalities enabled
[14:02] <hatch>  / disabled
[14:03] <rick_h_> hatch: yes, agreed. frankban is working on that card now
[14:03] <hatch> oh, cool
[14:04] <hatch> rick_h_:  think we can get an orange box to test this on pre-release?
[14:04] <hatch> even if they just plugged it into the wall in London? :)
[14:04] <rick_h_> hatch: well luca is getting one but not sure when.
[14:04] <rick_h_> hatch: but if I can get caught up I want to get my MAAS setup turned on which we could test it on
[14:04] <hatch> ahh - I'm just thinking on how we can test the maas stuff
[14:04] <hatch> oh alright
[14:05] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, the idea is the maas setup I have at home.
[14:05] <hatch> jcsackett:  you betta today?
[14:05] <rick_h_> http://maas.jujugui.org/
[14:05] <rick_h_> but it's down for the count atm
[14:05] <jcsackett> hatch: "better" may be overstating the case, but i'm here. :p
[14:05] <hatch> jcsackett:  well then! drink lots of beer
[14:05] <hatch> that's how you fix a cold right?
[14:06] <jcsackett> somehow i doubt that would have the desired effect. :p
[14:06] <hatch> haha
[14:06] <hatch> jcsackett: your card in review, did that land already?
[14:07] <hatch> and....did you want the card "unable to place a unit on a root container" it was caused by the "do not drop on deleted containers" branch
[14:07] <jcsackett> hatch: yes, it landed, and sure.
[14:07] <hatch> ok cool, I'm just trying to pick my next :)
[14:08] <rick_h_> jcsackett: the card there is important. If you need to run please ping and handoff.
[14:08] <rick_h_> jcsackett: and glad you're feeling able to move
[14:08] <jcsackett> rick_h_: i don't anticipate crashing today, but if i feel like i'm going down for the count i'll let people know.
[14:08] <rick_h_> jcsackett: ty much
[14:09] <jcsackett> rick_h_: you talking about the card hatch just mentioned, or the one i'm sharing with brad at the top of the board (that's actually marked important?)
[14:10] <rick_h_> jcsackett: the one hatch mentioned, though I'm eager to hear about what's up with the one you're sharing with brad.
[14:10] <jcsackett> rick_h_: i can catch you up on that now if you like, or in standup.
[14:10] <rick_h_> jcsackett: all good. Is that done and have a review?
[14:11] <rick_h_> jcsackett: just waiting to land/deploy?
[14:11] <jcsackett> rick_h_: needs a review from marco (who i've just pinged in eco); then charmworld itself needs updating, then deployment.
[14:11] <jcsackett> the charmworld update/deploy part is a second card.
[14:11] <rick_h_> jcsackett: there's no MP linked in the card external link or review tags.
[14:12] <rick_h_> what's the charmworld update needed?
[14:12] <rick_h_> oh shoot I didn't send out my comment on that branch
[14:12] <rick_h_> damn LP -> github differences
[14:13] <jcsackett> rick_h_: i've updated the card, but to land we need review outside of this team. marco just acked.
[14:13] <rick_h_> jcsackett: cool
[14:13] <jcsackett> rick_h_: once charmworldlib is updated and the 0.4.2 release is made, then bac has an update to use that that i can review and land. then the deploy funtimes.
[14:13] <rick_h_> ic, so the charmworld update is the dep updated
[14:13] <rick_h_> jcsackett: gotcha ty for the catch up :)
[14:15] <jcsackett> rick_h_: yw.
[14:26] <rick_h_> jujugui it looks like a fresh utopic lxc only has python3 in it. So going to add some stuff to the board for checking on and updating quickstart and our charm.
[14:27] <rick_h_> jujugui probably first with just addingn py2 as a dep and then looking at updating from there.
[14:27] <hatch> wow that took a while....3's been out for what? 7 years? :P
[14:27] <rick_h_> mhilton: thanks for the pointer there on the changes. Glad quickstart seemed to get a ways into working before it broke in py3
[14:28] <rick_h_> hatch: well there's a LOT of python code to update before the distro can change the default
[14:28] <rick_h_> hatch: but yea, it's been 5yr ish I think?
[14:28] <hatch> it's actually because everyone changed to node
[14:28] <rick_h_> though everyone agrees py3 didn't really get usable until 3.2
[14:28] <rick_h_> lmao
[14:28] <hatch> so there was noone to port the code
[14:28] <mhilton> rick_h_: Except it isn't python 3, at least no on my machine
[14:29] <rick_h_> mhilton: oh? I saw utopic and assumed it was a fresh-ish install with py3
[14:29] <rick_h_> mhilton: ok, can you update the bug with the python version info as well please?
[14:29] <rick_h_> mhilton: doh, yea the traceback shows 2.7
[14:30] <mhilton> yeah sure. I installed it just before the utopic beta came out
[14:30] <rick_h_> mhilton: ok, will keep chasing after your bug there.
[14:30] <urulama> jrwren: quick hangouts?
[14:30] <jrwren> urulama: yes.
[14:30] <urulama> jrwren: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/jay-uros?authuser=0&hceid=dXJvcy5qb3Zhbm92aWNAY2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbQ.228npoderqhjtlfek7mqq3a0p4
[14:32] <jrwren> and... chrome crashing.
[14:33] <rick_h_> Makyo: your card is in review right?
[14:33] <urulama> jrwren: :)
[14:33] <jrwren> urulama: how I'm in this room with myself.
[14:33] <urulama> jrwren: khm. do use the link from the invite then :S
[14:42]  * rick_h_ heads back to the house
[14:47] <frankban> rick_h_: quickstart depends on python2, so it should be ok in utopic. I am more concerned about the versions of the websocket-client and pyjuju-client
[14:48] <frankban> rick_h_: also, I am not sure about the charm vs utopic. AFAIK we only support LTS releases for the charm (so precise and trusty)
[14:49] <frankban> mhilton: can you add to the bug the versions of the quickstart dependencies? e.g.  python-websocket and python-jujuclient
[14:50] <hatch> luca__: I hate the container column....fix it plz :P
[14:50] <hatch> maybe pictures of puppies can go there? :)
[14:51] <hatch> jujugui call in 10
[14:54] <rick_h_> frankban: +1, I've got a utopic lxc to tinker with and check it out.
[14:54] <luca__> hatch: what do I need to fix? :D
[14:55] <hatch> luca__:  iunno it just sits there...empty....waiting...longing for someone to love it
[14:55] <luca__> hatch: well, it should never be empty…let me have a look
[14:55] <luca__> hatch: I think there is a bug for that somewhere
[14:56] <hatch> well it's not "empty"
[14:56] <hatch> but it has, say 2 containers
[14:56] <hatch> and about 1000x250px of whitespace
[14:56] <hatch> (if I shrink my browser)
[14:57] <luca__> hatch: well, yeah but thats because you haven’t figured best pratice and nested all of your services in endless containers…. :P
[14:57] <hatch> hahaha
[14:57] <hatch> it's not even possible!!!!
[14:57] <luca__> hatch: yeah, rick_h_ told me
[14:57] <hatch> sad...really
[14:57] <hatch> :'(
[14:57] <luca__> hatch: I think if we had known that from the start we would of come up with a different solution
[14:57] <kadams54> guihelp: one thing I've noticed as I work on standardizing constraints is that we use the label "disk" in some places and "root-disk" in others… I'd like to change it all to one label, but that may require a data migration, which I've never dealt with in juju world.
[14:57] <hatch> anyways....I was just joking around, but it would be nice if something could go there - I have no idea what though
[14:58] <luca__> hatch: good thing we didn’t go with the boxes model because you would of just had big boxes everywhere o.O
[14:58] <luca__> hatch: I’m +1 on the puppies
[14:58] <hatch> yusssssss
[14:58] <hatch> kadams54: data migration? the constraint key is root-disk isn't it?
[14:58] <hatch> so the stuff which says 'disk' would just be a label
[14:58] <urulama> hatch: fluffy unicorns?
[14:58] <frankban> kadams54: we don't store that data, so no migration should be involved
[14:58] <luca__> urulama: haha
[14:59] <hatch> urulama: can unicorns be fluffy?
[14:59] <kadams54> hatch: not everywhere. In some places it's "disk"
[14:59] <luca__> hatch: we can review it very quickly in brussels :)
[14:59] <hatch> I thought they were lean mean murdering machines
[14:59] <hatch> lol
[14:59] <urulama> hatch, luca__: Despicable me :) http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/8a/5d/f5/8a5df52b9773d53c1cc6a1d7ab6a827a.jpg
[14:59] <hatch> hhahahaha
[14:59] <hatch> oh I love that show
[14:59] <luca__> hatch: urulama https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=fluffy%20unicorns&safe=off
[14:59] <hatch> that part made me roar laughing on the plane....ppl looked at me funny
[15:00] <urulama> luca__: :D :D :D
[15:00] <urulama> luca__: so you're thinking about animated gifs for background, right :D
[15:01] <frankban> kadams54: the name of the constraint in juju is "root-disk", we should always send that. The label we show can be either "disk" or "root-disk" and I don't have a string opinion, but I agree it should be consistent in the GUI. I remember we had a map/array storing constraints keys and labels somewhere
[15:01] <rick_h_> frankban: call time
[15:42] <kadams54> guihelp: Looking for reviews and QA on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/528 - there's also a TODO in that code that's sort of an open question about hardware data vs. constraints.
[15:46] <frankban> kadams54: you are right, while constraints are something we request new instances to conform to, hardware characteristics are actual values (arch, mem, cpu-cores etc.) describing existing machines
[15:47] <kadams54> Yeah, it just got confusing with grepping through source and test code looking for instances of "disk" that needed to be changed to "root-disk".
[15:47] <kadams54> I accidentally changed a number of instances that dealt with hardware rather than constraints before I realized what was going on.
[15:48] <frankban> kadams54: yeah that's unfortunate
[15:48] <kadams54> Also the cpuPower vs. cpu-power just makes my obsessive-compulsive side twitch :-)
[15:58] <hatch__> Makyo: do you know why https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/blob/master/app%2Fviews%2Ftopology%2Fservice.js#L1189 model here would be undefined but the bounding box still exist?
[16:00] <urulama> juju-gui: have fun, viva MV release ;)
[16:02] <rick_h_> kadams54: heh, well that's thanks to pyjuju vs go juju :)
[16:03] <rick_h_> uru-bot: night! :)
[16:06] <Makyo> hatch, no, not quite sure why that would happen
[16:07] <hatch> Makyo:  hmm ok will keep digging
[16:07] <hatch> breakpoints ahoy!!!
[16:07]  * rick_h_ goes to nuke up some leftover lunchables
[16:13] <hatch> luca__: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1365053
[16:13] <mup> Bug #1365053: Add units dialogue on pre deployment inspector is confusing <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365053>
[16:14] <luca__> hatch: that is the correct behaviour. It should auto place that machine, I was going to talk to rick_h_ about it because it’s quite hard to explain.
[16:14] <luca__> hatch: it should have a 1 in the input field
[16:15] <hatch> ok so it is broken now?
[16:15] <luca__> hatch: at the moment you can put 5 in the input field and click auto place and it will give you 5 units and you’ll be left with 1 unplaced unit
[16:15] <kadams54> rick_h_, hatch: Looking at the "Clicking on the inspector after closing shouldn't reset the help text" card - I remember this coming up in IRC after EOD for me.
[16:15] <luca__> hatch: yeah
[16:15] <luca__> hatch: the field should start with 1 unplaced unit which is the 1 listed.
[16:16] <hatch> luca__:  ok but that unplaced unit is already created so we can't auto place it because they scaled up...
[16:16] <hatch> that's a separate interaction
[16:16] <kadams54> rick_h_, hatch: just to be sure… what this card means is the "Your service has been added. Configure using the tabs below." text, correct?
[16:16] <luca__> hatch: yeah, thats the problem that I’ve been trying to think through, I think it’s worth talking through because it’s pretty complex
[16:17] <hatch> luca__: I think my problem with it is that it looks like the add-unit dialogue is part of the inspector instead of a separate dialogue because it's pre-opened
[16:18] <hatch> maybe just a colouring thing would fix that - make the bg lighter for that section...
[16:18] <luca__> hatch: are we talking about the same bug?
[16:18] <hatch> kadams54: yeah - if you click dismiss, it should stay dismissed even on subsequent openings
[16:19] <hatch> maybe? have time for a call?
[16:19] <hatch> :)
[16:19] <kadams54> hatch: thanks
[16:19] <luca__> hatch: sure, got a link
[16:19] <luca__> ?
[16:19] <hatch> incoming
[16:19] <hatch> rick_h_: care to joing?
[16:19] <hatch> luca__:  rick_h_ https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/daily-standup?authuser=1
[16:27] <jcsackett> hatch: i was wrong, icons on the root container still seem to have some goofiness. they worked sometimes, not always.
[16:29] <rick_h_> kadams54: otp atm will catch up in a sec
[16:29] <kadams54> rick_h_: no worries, hatch answered my question
[16:31] <rick_h_> ah cool then
[16:31] <kadams54> heading out for a run, bbiab
[16:38] <hatch> jcsackett:  ok we can investigate once your fix has landed - there appears to be a unit data race condition
[16:38] <hatch> I created a bug.....
[16:38] <jcsackett> wheee
[16:38] <hatch> umm looking
[16:40] <hatch> ahh I can't find it
[16:40] <hatch> anyways when you visit a /machine url it causes bustedness
[16:40] <hatch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1364622
[16:40] <mup> Bug #1364622: Hardware information never becomes available when creating new machines on ec2 <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1364622>
[16:40] <hatch> ^ jcsackett I think this is a symptom of the same issue
[16:48] <frankban> hatch: what's the best way to wait for an event (e.g. an attribute change) before proceeding with the function in YUI?
[16:48] <hatch> frankban: it depends what you have access too
[16:48] <hatch> do you have the model?
[16:48] <hatch> or the class with the attribute on it?
[16:48] <hatch> if so...
[16:49] <hatch> myClass.on('fooattrChange', function(e) { ... } );
[16:49] <hatch> where "fooattr" is what your attribute is called
[16:49] <frankban> hatch: yes, but that's asynchronous
[16:50] <hatch> I think I need more context
[16:50] <hatch> call?
[16:50] <hatch> standup?
[16:50] <rick_h_> frankban: can you noop if the function isn't passed the change event object? just verify it's bound or whatever?
[16:51] <hatch> frankban: rick_h_ I'm in the standup room
[16:52] <frankban> rick_h_, hatch: I am in a view initializer, and I can't proceed until a specific value is set to model attribute I have access to. So I have two options: 1) look at all the places the view is created and put the view instantiation in a callback (reacting to an event) or 2) sync wait without doing nothing in some way
[16:53] <rick_h_> frankban: so I'd init the view, do what can be done, and setup a watch on the model for the value if it doesn't exist yet
[16:53] <frankban> rick_h_, hatch: to be clear, we have to wait for juju-core response to EnvironmentInfo before being able to use the machine view, because only at that time we know what containers are supported
[16:54] <hatch> joining the call?
[16:54] <rick_h_> frankban: ok, so I'd go with a default of disabled, and only open it up once we had a value?
[16:54] <hatch> yeah that
[16:54] <rick_h_> the hope being that by the time the user deploys something, or goes through and creates a machine it would be done/back
[16:55] <frankban> rick_h_: so, the machine view is disable until we have the value? what if the user reload the machine view? should we redirect to the service view?
[16:55] <rick_h_> not MV but just the add container buttons
[16:57] <rick_h_> frankban: the only thing we're trying to protect the user from doing is trying to create a container only to get an error or broken state back from juju.
[16:58] <hatch> frankban:  you can create a flag in the mv which says "enable container stuffs" on load it checks that flag to see if it should show it, if not, it attaches a listener for that flag to enable it in the future
[16:58] <frankban> rick_h_: there are two ways to create a container: using the button and dragging a unit to an existing machine
[16:59] <frankban> hatch: that's a possibility
[16:59] <rick_h_> frankban: so thinking this through, we talked about having a 'featured enbaled/disabled' object
[16:59] <rick_h_> frankban: and so we'd default to one that is not enabled in real environments, the create machine feature is disabled
[17:00] <rick_h_> frankban: and once we got the answer of provider back from juju, we'd need to be able to notify users that the provider (and thus features enabled/disabled) has changed and update their UX accordingly
[17:01] <frankban> rick_h_: I think I have a plan, the UX will change from an initial state in which the header shows something like "checking sub-containers support" to the current one or a third one stating "sub-containers not supported"
[17:02] <rick_h_> frankban: oh that's interesting. I hadn't thought about expressing the 'checking' idea out to the user.
[17:02] <rick_h_> frankban: I worry about a flashing message the user can't read/get back to but we can try that out
[17:02] <hatch> frankban:  how long does it take for juju to respond with support?
[17:03] <frankban> rick_h_: it's just a fast request/response
[17:04] <frankban> rick_h_: so I'd expect that if the user lands to the service view, he will never see the message. if he refreshes the machine view he can see the "checking" message, but I am not sure it matters if it fastly disappears
[17:05] <rick_h_> frankban: sounds good to try out
[17:06] <frankban> rick_h_, hatch: in theory it can still be racy, e.g.
[17:06] <frankban> val = env.get('providerType')
[17:07] <frankban> if(!val) {env.on('providerTypeChange', func...)}
[17:08] <frankban> rick_h_, hatch: in theory the provider could be set between line 1 and 2
[17:08] <hatch> no it can't
[17:08] <hatch> js is still synchronous
[17:09] <hatch> the get call is synchronous, and so is the if check
[17:09] <frankban> hatch: so it's asynchronous but YUI events bubbling is in the same thread, correct?
[17:10] <frankban> hatch: so the event can be notified only after the current function completes, is it right?
[17:10] <rick_h_> I don't think it'll pause and change stacks mid-if statement like that.
[17:10] <hatch> frankban: correct
[17:10] <rick_h_> frankban: I think it's pretty safe to use
[17:10] <frankban> hatch, rick_h_: good then, thank you
[17:10] <hatch> something needs to yield the thread for the async loop to run
[17:11] <hatch> excellent
[17:13] <frankban> done for the day, have a good evening!
[17:13] <rick_h_> have a good evening frankban
[17:16] <Makyo> jujugui still need one QA/review on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/527
[17:16] <hatch> on it
[17:19] <Makyo> Thanks
[17:20] <hatch> Makyo:  one comment b4 I qa
[17:21] <hatch> on the pr
[17:22] <Makyo> Oh, I thought that's what remove did. I can hunt down further.
[17:22] <Makyo> New to widgets.
[17:26] <hatch> its' a view
[17:27] <hatch> :)
[17:27] <hatch> Makyo:  you can call `this.destroy()` and it'll go through it's destroy cycle
[17:27] <hatch> but I thought that we kept reference to these tokens somewhere in the mv as well
[17:27] <hatch> so something in the mv will need to listen for any token destroy events and then remove it from the list
[17:28] <Makyo> Ah, lright.
[17:32] <jcsackett> jujugui: i need two reviews on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/529
[17:32] <hatch> jcsackett:  on it
[17:33] <kadams54> Makyo: FYI, there's code in the MV that will remove the token from the internal cache if the corresponding entity (machine, service unit) is deleted from the DB.
[17:34] <kadams54> Makyo: IIRC, there's already code to delete from the DB as part of your changes?
[17:34] <Makyo> kadams54, okay, thanks. Will look into that.
[17:34] <Makyo> Yes.
[17:34] <kadams54> Then you can ignore hatch :-)
[17:35] <Makyo> But he's so loud!
[17:35] <Makyo> hatch, kadams54 I'll do a bit of research and ensure that's the case.
[17:35] <hatch> :)
[17:36] <kadams54> Yeah, shouldn't be too hard to confirm with a breakpoint
[17:36] <hatch> jcsackett: one comment on pr before I qa
[17:38] <kadams54> Makyo: look at _removeUnit (called from _onUnitRemove) in machine-view-panel.js, line 401
[17:38] <jcsackett> hatch: given that parentId [17:39] <kadams54> Makyo: it looks like it calls a destroy on the token in addition to removing it from the internal cache. This is all triggered on a DB delete, as setup on line 147.
[17:39] <hatch> ok good point
[17:39] <hatch> qa'ing now
[17:39] <kadams54> Makyo: So I think you can also ignore hatch's comment in the PR :-)
[17:40] <kadams54> Makyo: I think the only places it needs to be removed from are the ECS and the DB.
[17:40] <hatch> Makyo: kadams54 in that case, the remove() call can be removed and a comment added to say where/what is happening
[17:40] <Makyo> Yep, checking that now.
[17:41] <kadams54> jcsackett: I'll do the second review/QA on your PR
[17:44] <jcsackett> kadams54: awesome, thanks.
[17:47] <jcsackett> kadams54: you need reviewers for your PR, yes?
[17:47] <kadams54> jcsackett: correct
[17:47] <jcsackett> on it.
[17:51] <Makyo> hatch, kadams54 PR updated with comment
[17:51] <hatch> Makyo:  looks good, qa'ing
[17:53] <hatch> Makyo: qa issue added to the pr
[17:55] <Makyo> Ah hell.
[17:55] <Makyo> I thought that was managed by databinding.
[17:56] <Makyo> I knew this branch was too easy.
[17:56] <hatch> Makyo:  hah sorry - I didn't do that stuff in the inspector, I too thought it was databound
[18:10] <kadams54> guihelp: in order to make sure the help text stays dismissed, my first inclination is to use a cookie. That said, there doesn't seem to be much else in the app that is cookie-based, so not sure if that's a bad sign or if I'm just blazing new territory :-)
[18:11] <kadams54> On second pass, I may add a 'dismissed' class instead, but I'm still curious about the lack of cookies.
[18:12] <jcsackett> kadams54: qa notes on your PR.
[18:18] <kadams54> jcsackett: thanks
[18:25] <Makyo> kadams54, don't we use cookies for hiding onboarding?
[18:25] <kadams54> Makyo: the only onboarding I've worked on is hidden/shown depending on the number of machines, not any express user preference.
[18:26] <kadams54> But the "Getting to Know You" onboarding might be a good place to look at.
[18:26] <Makyo> Oh, that was in local storage.  There's an onboarding key and a force-onboarding key.
[18:35] <hatch> kadams54:  set a flag on the model for the service
[18:35] <hatch> inspector to model is a 1:1 relationship so it's the best place to put it
[18:36] <hatch> and really easy to implement :)
[18:41] <rick_h_> jcsackett: got a sec to chat?
[18:41] <jcsackett> rick_h_: sure, just a moment.
[18:41] <jcsackett> standup room?
[18:42] <rick_h_> hatch: kadams54 what about just showing it on ghost/first run and not on any others?
[18:42] <rick_h_> hatch: kadams54 is there any way to tell a first auto launch from a 'I clicked on a service block' to launch the inspector?
[18:42] <rick_h_> hatch: kadams54 so it's more done off of the 'how' it was accessed vs tracking 'have you been seen before' kind of thing?
[18:42] <hatch> rick_h_:  yep there is
[18:43] <hatch> that's a good idea
[18:43] <hatch> reaaal easy to implement heh
[18:43] <rick_h_> tracking a flag on a model makes me :( at first glance
[18:43] <rick_h_> heh cool
[18:45] <jcsackett> rick_h_: i'm in the standup room.
[18:45] <rick_h_> jcsackett: joining
[19:04] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: hey, if a bundle doesn't have specific versioned charm will the store injest it?
[19:04] <marcoceppi> ingest*
[19:04] <marcoceppi> in a personal branch
[19:04] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: yes, I think it should
[19:04] <marcoceppi> cool
[19:04] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: if proof doens't show an E then it should be good
[19:05] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: awesome,t hanks
[19:15] <hatch> oo new humble bundle is a star trek comic book one https://www.humblebundle.com/books
[19:48]  * rick_h_ runs away for the day. I'll be back online later at coffee house time.
[19:48] <hatch> marcoceppi:  new review queue looks awesome - but why such a funky url? Shoudln't it be on jujucharms or juju.u.com?
[19:49] <hatch> cya rick_h_
[20:03] <hatch> jujugui anyone know how to force destroy a machine using local?
[20:06] <marcoceppi> hatch: it's not prime time yet
[20:06] <marcoceppi> hatch: we'll have it so the current url maps here, until then it's a "Google beta"
[20:07] <hatch> ahhh haha :)
[20:07] <hatch> I have a problem with my ghost charm on jujucharms.com but I can look into that later I suppose
[20:07] <hatch> it shows ghost-0 even though it definitely shoudln't be 0
[20:10] <hatch> blarg I can't reliably reproduce this issue
[20:25] <hatch> laptop sounds like it's going to take off.....realize I have 15 lxc instances running
[20:25] <hatch> oops....:)
[20:25] <hatch> MOAR CONTAINERS!!!
[20:26] <jrwren_> it sounds light until I remember that is 15 juju's running.  No shared memory :(
[20:31] <hatch> haha
[21:05] <hatch> intermittent race condition errors are da-best-yo
[21:27] <rick_h_> jujugui https://github.com/blog/1884-introducing-split-diffs let there be light
[21:27] <kadams54> Nice
[21:27] <hatch> rick_h_:  welcome to an hour ago https://twitter.com/FromAnEgg/status/507263886165573632
[21:28] <hatch> pssshhhttt
[21:28] <rick_h_> doh :P
[21:28] <hatch> lol!!
[21:28] <rick_h_> hey, I was chopping tomatos for tacos :P
[21:28] <kadams54> It's Taco Tuesday!
[21:28] <kadams54> On a Wednesday.
[21:28] <rick_h_> woot!
[21:28] <rick_h_> oh this is so nice
[21:31] <hatch> yeah what took them so long hah
[21:31] <rick_h_> no kidding, works much smoother than the extension as well
[21:31] <rick_h_> the comment buttons always got messed up, I gave up on the chrome extension
[21:32] <jcsackett> the ff extension just didn't work.
[21:38] <hatch> yeah same
[21:48] <jcsackett> rick_h_: does charmworld have a landing bot?
[21:49] <jcsackett> been so long since i've touched it i forgot how charmworlds review/land process looks, and i'm trying to marshal along brad's branch.
[21:53] <jcsackett> guihelp: ^
[21:53] <hatch> noooo idea
[21:54] <jcsackett> suddenly thinking this is a rietveld/lbox show.
[21:54] <jcsackett> b/c why have two websites to review code on when you can have three?
[21:57] <hatch> lol
[23:03] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:07] <hatch> morning huwshimi
[23:32] <rick_h_> huwshimi: morning
[23:32] <rick_h_> huwshimi: we talked about putting off the size sort for now until we can get constraints in order and better define it
[23:33] <rick_h_> huwshimi: does that unblock your branch from moving foward and landing?
[23:34] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Ah yes, that's great
[23:34] <hatch> wow I just got an ec2 capacity not available warning when trying to bootstrap
[23:34] <rick_h_> hatch: whoops
[23:34] <hatch> I'm doing a dry run of getting my blog transfered to ghost
[23:34] <hatch> mysql charm won't deploy on trusty though
[23:34] <hatch> not sure what's up with that...
[23:35] <hatch> hoping that it's a lxc issue with mysql and not a mysql charm issue
[23:35] <rick_h_> I've seen some chatter around that
[23:35] <rick_h_> check the juju irc log, public #juju
[23:35] <hatch> I'm not sure where those are kept :)
[23:37] <huwshimi> hatch: Hey, if you have a chance would you mind having a look at my updated code and my comments? https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/526
[23:42] <hatch> huwshimi: sure, on it
[23:42] <huwshimi> hatch: Thankyou!
[23:43] <rick_h_> and then hatch should get out of here :P
[23:43] <hatch> haha I'm multi tasking, waiting for env's to spin up for ghost blog work
[23:44] <rick_h_> ah ok
[23:44] <rick_h_> still
[23:44] <rick_h_> got to be dinner time there soon
[23:45] <hatch> yeah we're going out for supper so waiting a bit for the rush to be over
[23:45] <rick_h_> party
[23:45] <hatch> I don't wait for restaurants
[23:45] <rick_h_> big day tomorrow, new Moto X :) and the moto 360. You going to watch hatch ?
[23:46] <hatch> whaaaa
[23:46] <hatch> how did i miss this?
[23:46] <rick_h_> oh yea man, tomorrow is Motorola day, new phones and watch
[23:46] <hatch> oooo
[23:46] <hatch> definitely going to check that out
[23:46] <rick_h_> the one from asus looks cool
[23:46] <rick_h_> will want to check that out as well
[23:47] <rick_h_> I'm hoping to get my motox with the wood backing this time
[23:48] <hatch> I just hope their phones aren't like 6" like the new samsungs (and even the new htc one)
[23:48] <hatch> even the m7 htc 1 was large
[23:48] <hatch> was/is :)
[23:48] <rick_h_> They're saying 5.0" :(
[23:48] <rick_h_> I like my 4.5 or 4.7
[23:49] <rick_h_> 5+ is getting too big imo, but I love the motox. The voice stuff, auto detecting meetings/etc
[23:50] <hatch> yeah - as long as the outside dimensions of the phone don't exceed 5-3/8" x 2-3/4"
[23:50] <hatch> (see I used inches for you) :P
[23:50] <rick_h_> lol
[23:51] <hatch> those are the dimensions of my m7 which is as big as I want to go
[23:51] <hatch> it's a little too big
[23:53] <hatch> huwshimi:  code looks good
[23:54] <huwshimi> hatch: I still have to remove the size option
[23:54] <hatch> rick_h_:  we should investigate the D&D issue in chrome/ubuntu before mv1 release....it's a real bummer
[23:54] <hatch> not horrible I suppose, but sucks heh
[23:54] <huwshimi> hatch: Happy for me to shipit after I do that then?
[23:55] <hatch> yep
[23:55] <huwshimi> yay
[23:58] <hatch> huwshimi:  do you like the changes?
[23:58] <hatch> I think they are nicer
[23:59] <huwshimi> hatch: Yeah, I think so, especially having the sorting on the model
[23:59] <hatch> yeah


[00:10] <meLon> I have a laptop running ubuntu-server.  echo $TERM shows 'linux'.  Whenever I ssh into my developing server and open a file with vim, it looks HORRIBLE.  I noticed that on the server, it says my term is 'xterm' and not 'xterm-color'.  How can I set my laptop up so that it uses xterm-color so that when I ssh into another box it will also use xterm-color?
[01:11] <qman__> meLon, the most likely problem is that you have the default vim, which is a reduced feature set vim and is terrible
[01:12] <qman__> apt-get install vim-nox to get the full version
[01:14] <lau> I am in a fresh lucid install with python-setuptools , pip and virtualenv installed
[01:14] <lau> in the virtualenv I just created I cannot pip install pysqlite
[01:15] <lau> it returns unable to execute gcc: No such file or directory
[01:16] <lau> do I need to install gcc to make it work ? (I am not feeling comfortable installing gcc on a server)
[01:35] <qman__> lau, I don't know anything about pip, but from that error message it would appear so
[01:36] <qman__> the metapackage 'build-essential' is the best way to install gcc and the things you probably need to go with it, if you decide to do that
[01:38] <qman__> FWIW I avoid sqlite like the plague
[01:41] <qman__> less functional, less stable, less secure SQL alternative that doesn't even manage its original purpose of being fast
[01:59] <lau> qman__: thx , I installed build-essential and other *-dev system packages
[02:00] <lau> is it state of the art to install *-dev package on a prod server ?
[02:09] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/635485/
[02:10] <qman__> lau, far from it, but lots of software people run production can have strange requirements
[02:10] <qman__> what's ideal and what people actually do are often very, very different things
[02:11] <qman__> having compilers and -dev packages aren't a risk in and of themselves, it's more of a compound thing
[02:11] <qman__> arbitrary code execution or unprivileged shells plus compilers and dev packages can have nastier results than just the former
[02:13] <qman__> at my day job, the web server is plesk on windows 2003, and I can't tell you the last time it's been patched
[02:14] <qman__> you're far better off than 95%
[02:41] <reisi> hi everyone! i'm trying to rewrite local-originating requests to a unrouted ip to my up-and-running ssh tunnel; sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING --dst <IP_ADDRESS> -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination <IP_ADDRESS>:9090; any ideas why this does not work?
[05:06] <twb> sensors-detect (of lm-sensors) doesn't find any sensors on my shiny modern core i7 motherboard
[05:06] <twb> Does the system *really* lack sensors?  If not, how to I get them going?
[05:53] <kthomas_vh> I am getting tired of the 'D' key clearing the desktop
[05:58] <kthomas_vh> kthomas_vh:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1595871
[06:12] <twb> kthomas_vh: your super key is stuck down
[06:13] <twb> kthomas_vh: this is common in remote desktop cases; just close your RDP client and reopen it
[06:13] <kthomas_vh> no,  it's a problem with RDP,  evidently :)
[06:13] <kthomas_vh> it's persistent :|
[06:13] <twb> kthomas_vh: what happens is you hit, say, Alt+Tab to switch away from the RDP window, and the remote guest sees the Alt key go down, but not go up
[06:13] <twb> Clearly you have done the same thing for some other chord than Alt+Tab, one that includes Super
[06:13] <kthomas_vh> it's 100% persistent
[06:14] <twb> kthomas_vh: I guess it's stuck down on the remote end then
[06:14] <twb> Not much you can do about it other than maybe spoof XTEST events through to the client...
[06:14] <kthomas_vh> hmm
[06:14] <twb> And just mashing modifiers, of course, sometimes that fixes it
[06:14] <kthomas_vh> the solution above doesn't seem to work
[06:15] <twb> Install xautomation and try the xte program as an easy way to send events
[06:15] <twb> Dunno if it can spoof just the key up event...
[06:15] <kthomas_vh> ^^ tks
[08:17] <twb> Sigh.  For some reason mutt has started segfaulting (signal 11) today
[08:41] <Syria> Hello there!!! Wordpress CMS is installed on my VPS but I can't upload themes, plugins etc... and I think that it is a permessions thing. kindly tell me what to do.. this is an example when trying to update a plugin : Could not create directory. /var/www/site/wp-content/upgrade/alo-easymail.tmp
[08:43] <Syria> Permessions of the folder of the updates and plugins etc... Could not create directory. /var/www/site/wp-content/upgrade/alo-easymail.tmp
[08:49]  * koolhead11 points Syria to #ubuntu
[08:50] <Syria> koolhead11:  They will to come here by the moment i will mention anything about Servers!
[08:51] <koolhead11> Syria, have you googled for your issue before coming and asking here?
[08:52] <koolhead11> have you checked https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WordPress
[08:53] <koolhead11> better ask google and consult the community documentation before asking question here. Ahumble request :)
[08:53] <Syria> koolhead11:  Sure, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=662784 ...
[08:53] <Syria> koolhead11:  And checked ubuntu documentation as well.
[08:54] <Syria> koolhead11: I think That i have a permessions problem of FTP problem because Wordpress is uploading using ftp
[08:54] <koolhead11> did you see this line For automatic updates to occur, the folder and all its files and subfolders must be owned by www-data:
[08:54] <koolhead11>  chown -R www-data /usr/share/wordpress
[08:54] <koolhead11> ?
[08:56] <Syria> koolhead11:  I will try this.
[08:58] <koolhead11> Syria, please read the documentation once again
[08:59] <Syria> koolhead11: Okay, thnx :-)
[10:49] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: ping
[11:31] <smoser> SpamapS, http://paste.ubuntu.com/635713/
[11:53] <SpamapS> smoser: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/example-preseed.txt
[13:01] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, around ?
[13:21] <koolhead11> trying to install phpmyadmin on one of my server to monitor mysql server lying somewhere remote, dbconfig-common not giving me options for host selection :(
[13:21] <koolhead11> can that be a bug?
[13:35] <amelin> koolhead11: there should be a config file where you can add those remote servers
[13:36] <koolhead11> amelin, yes i can see that, but why the option is not provided with dbconfig-common
[13:36] <amelin> koolhead11: dont know, to be honest i never expected it to do so :-)
[13:37] <koolhead11> we never needed dbconfig in that case :)
[13:41] <koolhead11> either it should do everything or notthing
[13:43] <koolhead11> anyways got it thanks amelin
[13:47] <amelin> koolhead11: np
[14:13] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: i am now
[15:20] <jamespage> hallyn: around?
[15:21] <hallyn> i am, though about to head out for a bit.
[15:21] <hallyn> what's up?
[15:21] <hallyn> jamespage: \o
[15:22] <jamespage> hallyn: so I'm hacking on the jenkins formula for ensemble - just wanted to check that was OK with you
[15:22] <jamespage> (as you did the original cut)
[15:22] <hallyn> jamespage: oh, excellent :)
[15:23] <hallyn> jamespage: SpamapS was rebuking me on the lack of a copyright file and some other things
[15:23] <jamespage> hallyn: right - I'll have a general tidy up as well
[15:23] <hallyn> (bug 793735)
[15:23] <hallyn> jamespage: awesome, much appreciate
[15:23] <hallyn> d
[15:24] <jamespage> SpamapS and I did discuss the fact that the slave and master are all in one formula
[15:24] <hallyn> that lets me finish up the lxc cgroups-bin interaction, so hopefully we get it upstream by next week
[15:24] <hallyn> they weren't originally :)  do you prefer them not to be?
[15:24] <jamespage> and we think it needs to be split
[15:24] <hallyn> ok - can you explain the rationale int he bug?
[15:24] <jamespage> yeah -  SpamapS said that
[15:24] <jamespage> yes
[15:24] <hallyn> awesome
[15:24] <hallyn> i gotta run out, biab.
[15:24] <jamespage> it was just not intuitive
[15:24] <jamespage> cool - have fun
[15:31] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, ping
[15:31] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: pong
[15:31] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/635815/
[15:31] <smoser> you tried api to cobbler at all ?
[15:31] <smoser> i must be doing something stupid
[15:32] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: no, unfortunately I haven't yet played with the API itself, I believe daviey has
[15:35] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: though , your script seems to be working fine for me
[15:38] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, ?
[15:39] <smoser> you get "ret=True" ?
[15:39] <smoser> and an added system ?
[15:40] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: no apparently not, but yes you are right, seems to be ok but for some reason it does not save?
[15:41] <smoser> well, it does return false
[15:41] <smoser> but i dont know why it does not save
[15:41] <smoser> and don't know where to look for why
[15:42] <RoAkSoAx> let me try something first
[15:42] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/635826/
[15:42] <smoser> is the other thing i tried
[15:42] <smoser> (basically just copy an existing one)
[15:42] <smoser> that fails on adding ipmi_tool for me
[15:45] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: everything seems correct but it doesn't really seems to save it, or, maybe, not load it
[15:45] <smoser> load?
[15:45] <airtonix> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/635828/
[15:46] <airtonix> "%s"%("blah") format won't be around for much longer.
[15:47] <airtonix> and i hope i never have to take over a project you create... single letter variables just make everyone elses job harder
[15:47] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/635829/
[15:48] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/635831/ does work for me.
[15:48] <smoser> airtonix, i hope you dont also
[15:49] <airtonix> you missed my point
[15:49] <smoser> its sample code.
[15:51] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, what did you see there?
[15:51] <smoser> it all looked happy to me
[15:52] <smoser> (i had looked in cobbler.log also)
[15:52] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: I can add distro's so might be some kind of error with the profiles
[15:53] <RoAkSoAx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/635836/
[15:53] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: and in the log while adding profiles: Thu Jun 30 10:53:31 2011 - INFO | add_item(profile); ['']
[15:53] <smoser> well, and as i showed.. i was successful modifying a mgmtclass
[15:54] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: there it says that is trying to add a profile, but none is given
[15:54] <RoAkSoAx> so that's the problem right there
[15:56] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, .. i'm not sure i follwo.
[15:57] <smoser> and then i have also had issues adding systems
[15:57] <smoser> i'm interested in adding/modifying a system for what i'm working on
[15:57] <smoser> :(
[15:57] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: when executing your script, cobbler.log shows "Thu Jun 30 10:53:31 2011 - INFO | add_item(profile); ['']" when it should show "Thu Jun 30 10:53:31 2011 - INFO | add_item(profile); ['PROFILE_BEEN_ADDED']"
[15:59] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, i see:
[15:59] <smoser> Thu Jun 30 15:58:59 2011 - INFO | add_item(profile); ['profile1']
[15:59] <RoAkSoAx> uhmm I don't see that :S
[16:01] <smoser> well it seems like something is busted
[16:03] <RoAkSoAx> indeed
[16:07] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: done
[16:07] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: it is fixed now
[16:08] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: add this to your profile script: [ "parent", "<any-parent-distro-you-have-available>" ],
[16:11] <smoser> hm..
[16:12] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: or a null profile I guess
[16:13] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, how did you figure that out?
[16:14] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: looking at the other profiles.. I just figured that either distribution or parent profile are missing. and it worked specifying the parent
[16:14] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: so it is either one of those
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: ok so [ "parent", "testing-mini-x86_64" ] is for a parent profile, and [ "distro", "testing-mini-x86_64" ] for a distro it belongs too
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: both can be used at the same time, but when importing isos with cobbler, it creates a profile for a distro
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> instead of a subprofile of a parent profile
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> so either one of them can be used to not fail
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> or both
[16:24] <smoser> thank you RoAkSoAx
[16:54] <mendel_> guys, if I want to create a install script for a server, what can I use for it to do that
[16:54] <mendel_> (install of packages, settings, etc)
[16:55] <Renski> Im looking for a tool to periodically test to see if server and services are up using tcp and icmp. can anyone recommend anything?
[17:41] <kirkland> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/635880/
[20:13] <dea> hello I need help with vnc server on this ubuntu machine
[20:13] <dea> I'm running ubuntu server 10.04
[20:14] <patdk-wk> hmm? ubuntu server doesn't have vnc server
[20:15] <patdk-wk> maybe you want #ubuntu (the desktop gui people)
[20:15] <mendel_> what's the best way to make a install script (install packages, set settings, etc), (or make a image of an installation)
[20:15] <mendel_> for new server installations
[20:16] <patdk-wk> your own preseed file
[20:24] <genii-around> mendel_: You can get preseed prototype file from a running box with stuff you want installed by: debconf-get-selections >> preseedfilename
[20:25] <mendel_> thnx @ both
[20:32] <sneumann> Hi, I am trying to get the hp-snmp-agents 8.50 to work on natty for BLC465G7 blades with a p410i SAS controller.
[20:32] <sneumann> Problem is that I get "SAS agent (cmasasd) does not find any supported SAS controller" in /var/log/hp-snmp-agents/cma.log
[20:32] <sneumann> Any clues how to continue debugging ?
[20:33] <sneumann> The rest of the hpsmh is working fine
[20:34] <burak575> hello, can I acquire back output of some running process?
[20:45] <pmatulis> burak575: what is back output?
[21:02] <sneumann> Hi, let's ask again, anyone here having experience with HP System Management Homepage (hpsmhd) ?
[21:02] <sneumann> I am trying to get the hp-snmp-agents 8.50 to work on natty for BLC465G7 blades with a p410i SAS controller.
[21:09] <ajsharp> anyone know if there's an updated repo with a patched version of the natty 2.6.38 kernel
[21:09] <ajsharp> i really need this fix, but really don't want to rebuild the kernel: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32922
[22:13] <hallyn> SpamapS: bug 790145, did you reject the upload?  Could you explain why?
[22:17] <hallyn> hm, i see, there is actually still a copy sitting unapproved.
[22:18] <hallyn> SpamapS: the uploads for qemu-kvm lucid-proposed and maverick-proposed, it'd be really great if those could get approved
[22:43] <yann2> hi
[22:44] <yann2> am having a *possible* serious regression in last samba for lucid, have installed 2:3.4.7~dfsg-1ubuntu3.6 . Am having a similar configuration with a 2:3.4.7~dfsg-1ubuntu3.2 which works. I'm missing the changelog here http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/s/samba/samba_3.4.7~dfsg-1ubuntu3.4/changelog from ubuntu 3.5 and 3.6 - any other place I could look?
[22:47] <yann2> http://pastebin.com/vyVyJLgD  doesnt look right, machine has about 15GB of free RAM
[23:09] <yann2> wow crazy I'm googling my error I'm getting my paste from 15mins ago in the top results :s
[23:17] <littlebearz> yann2: congratz
[23:22] <storrgie> I have a machine with an 82567LM ethernet card in it, I cant seem to get it working in 11.04
[23:56] <jeeves_moss> what causes jbd2/sda2-6 to be popping up all the time and accessing the disk like mad?
[23:56] <hallyn> jbernard: hey, do you mind if i add freezer to default mounted cgroups in /etc/cgconfig.conf?
[23:58] <hallyn> jbernard: also, do you have any objection to by default setting cgroup.clone_children=1 in all cgroups?


[16:35] <stimpy_> Hi, I have a problem with current ubuntu kernel 3.13.0-36 and enabled hyper-threading on i7 cpu. It seems that scheduler often  assign two cpu intesive threads to two logical CPU cores which share same physical_id. This results in very bad performance
[16:38] <stimpy_> Imho the scheduler in the kernel should be SMT aware so this situation should never happen!?
[18:26] <ESource5> !OPS
[18:26] <ubot5`> Help! lamont, zul, T-Bone, mdz, or jdub


  Regular mode will cause old cards to become progressively more transparent. Pirate mode will cause old cards to crack and tear like an old treasure map. Once cards have new activity on them, their age counter is reset and they appear new again. Age thresholds are 1, 2, and 4 weeks.
[09:04] <Kerbero> oh
[09:04] <Kerbero> i've never seen that on trello
[09:04] <Kerbero> but normally our cards aren't around much longer than a couple of days
[09:04] <Kilos> you use trello on your own Kerbero
[09:05] <Kilos> ours last months
[09:05] <inetpro> Kerbero: it's part of Power-Ups
[09:05] <Kerbero> Kilos, no, our company
[09:05] <Kilos> oh also inetpro  , another person joined our launchpad but i dunno who
[09:06] <inetpro> and?
[09:06] <Kilos> i like to keep up to date with things man
[09:07] <Kilos> whats with the and? you should tell me who rather
[09:07] <inetpro> Kilos: can you not see who?
[09:09] <Kilos> no i gotta go down the list one for one but dont recognise lotsa names there
[09:09]  * inetpro not understanding the problem
[09:09] <Kilos> as usual
[09:09] <Kilos> where does it say this guy joined last
[09:10] <inetpro> 1st of all, what team are you talking about and where are you looking?
[09:10] <Kilos> za i think
[09:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:11] <Kilos> oh i found a last thingie
[09:11] <inetpro> ai!
[09:12] <Kilos> im still not any the wiser
[09:13] <inetpro> uh
[09:13] <inetpro> explain to us your real concern
[09:13] <Kilos> nono never mind
[09:13] <inetpro> hmm...
[09:14] <Kilos> as long as the list grows that is good too
[09:14] <inetpro> you can always talk to him via email
[09:14] <inetpro> do the greeting thigy et al
[09:14] <inetpro> thingy as well
[09:15] <Kilos> man then i have to choose out of 7 which one was last
[09:15] <inetpro> where do you see 7?
[09:16] <Kilos> when i ticked last i see 7
[09:16] <Kilos> no 11
[09:16] <Kilos> forget that
[09:16] <inetpro> you really want us to read your mind?
[09:17] <Kilos> did you read confluency  s comments about ibid yesterday
[09:17] <Kilos> what mind
[09:17] <inetpro> mind reading requires serious hacking
[09:17] <Kilos> no mind to read, i run on fumes
[09:18] <Kilos> kde fumes
[09:18] <inetpro> tell me about confluency and ibid
[09:18] <Kilos> ai!
[09:19] <Kilos> read the logs
[09:19] <Kilos> she said something about library somethings or other
[09:19] <inetpro> uh
[09:19] <inetpro> who said it can no longer run?
[09:20] <Kilos> in 14.04 and later not in vm with old release
[09:20] <inetpro> rephrase: who said it can no longer run on the latest release?
[09:21] <Kilos> we all tried remember
[09:21] <Kilos> ai!
[09:21] <inetpro> ag kom nou
[09:22] <Kilos> you even made a virtual thing to run it in
[09:23] <inetpro> one day when I have time I will show you that it can run on the latest realse
[09:23] <Kilos> wow
[09:23] <inetpro> simply not priority right now
[09:23] <Kilos> why didnt you tell me when we were sukkeling
[09:24] <Kilos> now that poor simon is rewriting it in python3
[09:24] <inetpro> nothing wrong with that
[09:24] <confluency> I have no idea why someone said that it wouldn't run on 14.04.
[09:24] <confluency> Or that it was necessary to port it to python3.
[09:25] <confluency> You don't need a VM; you just need a virtualenv.
[09:26] <confluency> You can fix pretty much any dependency problem with that.
[09:26] <confluency> I can't comment further without knowing what was actually claimed.
[09:26] <inetpro> confluency: exactly, maybe what we need more than anything is updated documentation and instructions
[09:27] <inetpro> but having said that, the bot needs a bit of love as well
[09:27] <confluency> Sure. But porting the whole thing unnecessarily takes time away from fixing things.
[09:27] <Kilos> i started the whole thing i think because i used to run ibid directly from cli with no other stuff needed
[09:28] <confluency> You can do that with virtualenv.
[09:28] <Kilos> then it didnt work on 14.04 anymore that way
[09:28] <confluency> If you need to.
[09:28] <confluency> But why? What was the problem?
[09:29] <Kilos> you ran ibid in terminal and it didnt do anything
[09:29] <Kilos> before it use to join allocated channels
[09:30] <confluency> Do you remember when this was discussed? Logs are public, so there should be a record somewhere.  Did someone narrow the issue down to a root cause?
[09:30] <Kilos> Squirm  when did you leave your old host
[09:34] <Kilos> i remeber even gremble tried to fix it and when he gave up the weed said ya its a major job
[09:35] <Kilos> the pro is supposed to remember all these small issues
[09:35] <Kilos> but he is good at finding correct logs
[09:36] <inetpro> haha
[09:36] <confluency> I'm searching them now.
[09:38] <Kilos> it all came about when Squirm  left his host and QA died
[09:50] <confluency> I can't find anything useful. I'll ask tumbleweed if I see him online.
[09:50] <Kilos> cool ty confluency  hows the studies going?
[09:51] <confluency> Hopefully they won't be going for much longer.
[09:51] <Kilos> then you will be done?
[09:51] <Kilos> good luck
[09:51] <confluency> Yes.
[09:51] <Kilos> lovely
[09:54] <confluency> The only thing I can think of is adding support for sqlalchemy 0.6 and above. But 1) this has nothing to do with python3 and 2) you can install whatever exact package versions you need in a virtualenv.
[09:55] <Kilos> the weed will have to say whats needed, i just use things
[09:56] <Kilos> but he is 9 hours behing us so we only get him at night
[09:56] <Kilos> behind
[10:44] <inetpro> confluency: actually what we need to focus on is to get ibid packaged properly so it can be part of the repositories again
[10:47] <inetpro> other people would say it is outdated and we should just use something else but I haven't really seen another bot with all the features you find in ibid just yet
[10:47] <inetpro> not that I have searched much though
[10:47] <Kilos> ya ibid be kiff for us
[10:48] <inetpro> installing from source is not the right way to go
[10:48] <Kilos> and ibids make the best coffee
[10:51] <inetpro> Kilos: I've changed your job card
[10:51] <Kilos> uh oh
[10:52] <inetpro> https://trello.com/c/od4hQ8XH
[10:56] <inetpro> ai!
[10:57] <Kilos> what
[10:59] <Kilos> inetpro  what?
[10:59] <Kilos> ai!
[10:59] <inetpro> you must focus on Current Activities not the others :-)
[11:00] <Kilos> i dont like the old colour
[11:00] <Kilos> oh btw the next new member app has rewritten lubuntu docs
[11:01] <Kilos> with luck a can get him to look at some ubuntu ones that upset you most
[11:01] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gsilva
[11:06] <inetpro> Kilos: send reminder to mailing list
[11:06] <Kilos> i just got it
[11:07] <Kilos> im sukkeling to keep up with mails too now, they coming from every which way
[11:08] <Kilos> like when membeships expire or are renewed
[11:08] <Kilos> sigh
[11:09] <Kilos> haha
[11:09] <Kilos> your job is namibia
[11:10] <Kilos> hit them in german
[11:10] <Kilos> pretty please
[11:11] <Kilos> i think some need you to join their locos before they pay attention
[11:12] <Kilos> i cant join them all i will lose my za identity
[11:12] <Kilos> or water it down too much
[11:13] <Kilos> and stickyboy  is supposed to be tuning the east coast lugs today
[11:45] <Squirm> Kilos: it's about 2 months now
[11:45] <Squirm> and nothing new at all
[11:46] <Kilos> we are just looking for the discussions at that time to pinpoint what needs doing to the ibid package to get it going right again ty Squirm
[11:47] <Kilos> we have hosting place
[11:48] <Kilos> you can also look at ec2 you might be inetrested in free for a year hosting
[11:55] <inetpro> nee oom Kilos, jy verstaan verkeerd
[11:55] <Kilos> oh
[11:55] <Kilos> as usual
[11:57] <inetpro> my job is to simply survive, and the namib guys must find their own ways to survive
[12:36] <Kilos> oh my
[13:43]  * Squirm looks around
[13:43] <Squirm> Going to set up WiFi in the Media Suite at the Athlone stadium later
[13:43] <Squirm> :/
[13:44] <Kilos> lol
[13:44] <Kilos> enjoy
[14:12] <Squirm> I doubt it
[14:12]  * Squirm shrugs
[14:13] <Squirm> Easy money I suppose, chat a bit later
[14:13] <Kilos> ok
[14:21] <Kilos> wb pieter2627
[14:21] <pieter2627> ty Kilos
[14:55] <gremble> Good morning
[14:55] <gremble> Or afternoon actually
[15:01] <gremble> Hello, once again
[15:07] <Squirm> 'lo
[15:07] <gremble> Hey Squirm
[15:07] <Squirm> You guys should see my view ^^
[15:08] <stickyboy> Squirm: Where are you?
[15:08] <Squirm> Sitting on the top floor of athlone stadium in the media suite
[15:10] <gremble> What sportsball game are you watching/going to watch?
[15:10] <Kilos> hi gremble
[15:12] <Squirm> gremble: set up the wifi for a friend at the stadium
[15:12] <Squirm> Football
[15:12] <Squirm> Not my thing though
[15:12] <Squirm> Nedbank Cup Semi-Final
[15:14] <stickyboy> sportsball ahahhaha
[15:16] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[15:16] <gremble> That's nice
[15:16] <gremble> I think
[15:17] <Kilos> haha
[15:17] <Kilos> stickyboy  did you tell them
[15:19] <Kilos> stickyboy  you lug okes are so slack i even google messaged you
[15:19] <Kilos> grrr
[15:19] <Kilos> how can i ever win when surrounded by luggites
[15:20] <stickyboy> Kilos: I saw your message. :P
[15:20] <stickyboy> I'm in the middle of writing a blog post about the event. :D
[15:21] <stickyboy> And cross posting on Nairobi and Addis mailing lists.
[15:21] <stickyboy> Twitter, etc.
[15:21] <stickyboy> We talked about creating pan-African links.
[15:21] <stickyboy> I said I want to be able to road trip from Addis to Cape Town, sleeping on Linux users' couches the whole way. :D
[15:23] <Kilos> lol
[15:23] <Kilos> dont forget the irc channel and site link
[15:23] <Kilos> or else
[15:24] <stickyboy> I could never. :D
[15:24] <Kilos> yaya :D
[15:26] <gremble> Just skip Durban and JHB
[15:31] <Kilos> i surround myself with brains so i can smell clever but battling a bit atm
[15:39] <gremble> That's quite creepy
[15:39] <Kilos> lol
[15:41] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[17:05] <charl> good afternoon
[17:05] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[17:05]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:09] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[17:09] <charl> Maaz: danke
[17:09] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:11]  * Squirm yawns
[17:11] <Squirm> Is it home time yet?
[17:14] <gremble> Probably
[17:14] <Squirm> My hunt for beer at a Football semi-final has returned unsiccessful :(
[17:15] <Squirm> Though someone is sounding a really, really loud horn
[17:15] <gremble> I think it is referred to as a vuvuzela
[17:16] <Squirm> No. I know what a vuvuzela sounds like :P
[17:16] <Squirm> I think it was... Part of the song
[17:44] <stickyboy> tmux is slightly maddening in that it doesn't use the user's default shell.
[18:05] <Kilos-> hmm...
[18:07] <stickyboy> Hmmm
[18:08] <Kilos-> so stickyboy  did you have a good day
[18:09] <stickyboy> Kilos-: Yah
[18:09] <stickyboy> Awesome
[18:09] <Kilos-> good
[18:09] <stickyboy> Currently writing about my meetup
[18:09] <stickyboy> Drank some awesome coffee here.
[18:09] <stickyboy> tsega and I really fired these guys up.
[18:09] <Kilos-> good
[18:10] <stickyboy> The blog post is fighting with my piece of steak.
[18:10] <Kilos-> lol
[18:10] <gremble> You should put that on video
[18:11] <Kilos-> what
[18:12] <stickyboy> Kilos-: Writing, but I have to keep taking my laptop off my lap to cut my steak. :D
[18:12] <stickyboy> Sitting on a couch in the bar. :P
[18:12] <Kilos-> lol
[18:12] <stickyboy> But the post will be done in an hour.   Wouldn't it be better to simply say that it is impolite to swear in general?
[18:23] <stickyboy> Meh, it adds emphasis.
[18:24] <Kilos-> lol
[18:26] <gremble> I have nothing against swearing. I just find it odd that a reason not to swear is that someone that 'might' read said profanities has genitalia different from mine, hence swearing is bad
[18:26] <stickyboy> Well, Kilos- is trying to create a different atmosphere than I am.
[18:30] <Kilos-> rofl
[18:30] <gremble> He shouts that at the sheep I bet
[18:30] <Kilos-> thats cute for a lugger
[18:31] <Kilos-> i kick them
[18:31] <gremble> Children or sheep
[18:31] <Kilos-> sheep
[18:32] <Kilos-> children you take away their toys till the good again
[18:32] <stickyboy> Kilos-: When did you decide to dedicate your life to uniting Africa's Linux users?
[18:32] <Kilos-> it was forced on me stickyboy
[18:32] <Kilos-> by fly and pro
[18:33] <Kilos-> they thought it would keep me quiet
[18:33] <stickyboy> Kilos-: lol
[18:34] <Kilos-> i think it was january or feb
[18:34] <Kilos-> and you were my first contact
[18:38] <stickyboy> brb... walking back to my hostel.
[18:38] <Kilos-> ok
[18:44] <stickyboy> Did you miss me?
[18:44] <stickyboy> Man, I wish I had some chocolate.
[18:44] <gremble> I wish I had more tea
[18:44] <Kilos-> lol
[18:45] <stickyboy> gremble: Man, I have tea but no milk. Meh.
[18:46] <Kilos-> oh stickyboy  i actually found some of the old kenyan loco
[18:47] <Kilos-> cant remember who now
[18:49] <gremble> Actually, I think I am going to get mango juice
[18:49] <gremble> much less effort
[18:50] <Kilos-> that be lekker stuff
[18:57] <stickyboy> Where do you live, Kilos-?
[18:57] <Kilos-> pretoria
[18:58] <stickyboy> How is Pretoria?
[18:58] <Kilos> very cold in winter and not enough rain in summer
[18:58] <gremble> Rather chilly at the moment
[19:02] <inetpro> good evening
[19:02] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[19:03]  * inetpro remembers Kilos taking on the Africa job all by his self
[19:03] <Kilos> uh oh
[19:04] <inetpro> at first I didn't even want to join that channel :-)
[19:04] <Kilos> lol
[19:04] <Kilos> ya well the channel was my idea but connecting was you and fly
[19:05] <inetpro> hah, hah, hah... maybe if you tell yourself you'll start believing it Kilos :-)
[19:05] <Kilos> i do i do i do
[19:06] <Kilos> its been hard work for ballies
[19:07] <inetpro> Kilos: let's talk about trello for a mo
[19:07] <Kilos> uh oh
[19:07] <inetpro> should we not move that "Connect Ubuntu LoCo Teams in Africa" to the wishlist now?
[19:07] <Kilos> yes
[19:07] <Kilos> ill keep trying anyway
[19:07] <stickyboy> Pfft. Ubuntu.
[19:08] <inetpro> done
[19:08] <Kilos> stickyboy  is was ubuntu peeps that brought you here
[19:08] <Kilos> ubuntu is the leading linux system
[19:09] <Kilos> and you know it so eat your heart out
[19:09] <Kilos> oh too full of steak atm
[19:10] <Kilos> and it is ubuntu thats going to connect all linux users in africa
[19:10] <Kilos> if you did you job properly
[19:11] <stickyboy> Kilos: Now now!
[19:11] <Kilos> because lugs cant even keep track of their members
[19:11] <gremble> "ubuntu is the leading linux system" wow
[19:11] <gremble> haha
[19:11] <Kilos> so we are healping you
[19:11] <gremble> I'll remember to tell redhat
[19:11] <gremble> :P
[19:12] <stickyboy> Kilos: Just don't forget what Ubuntu is.
[19:12] <stickyboy> Ubuntu GNU/Linux.
[19:12] <stickyboy> Remember that from time to time.
[19:12] <Kilos> i think there is a link to what is the favoured linux distro
[19:12]  * stickyboy is typing from a Mac.
[19:12] <Kilos> yes man i know that
[19:12] <stickyboy> #winning
[19:13] <gremble> According to distrowatch its Mint
[19:13] <Kilos> thats fine we accept you too
[19:13] <gremble> :P
[19:13] <Kilos> oh has mint passed us
[19:13] <gremble> By more than double
[19:13] <gremble> :P
[19:13] <stickyboy> Those metrics are only based on clicks.
[19:13] <stickyboy> And I don't care for metrics.
[19:14]  * stickyboy is listening to gangster rap.
[19:14] <Kilos> ah its unity that weakened us
[19:14] <Kilos> but mate will pull them back
[19:14] <stickyboy> Kilos: LOL "us".
[19:14]  * gremble is listening to Tchaikovsky
[19:14] <inetpro> gremble: http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux/all/all
[19:14] <stickyboy> You're as bad as the people who say "We won the cup" and they're talking about Manchester United.
[19:14] <Kilos> yeah man i am ubuntu rooted
[19:15] <stickyboy> Kilos: Don't drink and root.
[19:15] <Kilos> lol
[19:15] <gremble> inetpro: it doesn't surprise me that Debian is so high on that list
[19:15] <gremble> not even in the least bit
[19:15] <gremble> :P
[19:16] <stickyboy> Linus Torvalds trashed Debian in his DebConf 14 Q&A...
[19:16] <stickyboy> I slightly LOL'd...
[19:16] <gremble> CentOS is Redhat so they're just behind ubuntu
[19:16] <gremble> Why did he trash debian stickyboy? Because of them splitting?
[19:19] <gremble> Hmm, I knew that mac had darwin as a BSD derivative, but I didn't know that it was a registered UNIX product
[19:21] <Wraz> that is in-acurate as they are counting BSD as UNIX, BSD is not unix.
[19:21] <gremble> Wraz: Yosamite is registered as UNIX on the Opengroup's website
[19:22] <gremble> they own the UNIX brand
[19:22] <gremble> So, I am fairly sure they can call it UNIX :P
[19:22] <Wraz> BSD is NOT UNIX.
[19:22] <Wraz> last bit of my sentance, says it all.
[19:23] <gremble> Then Yosamite is not BSD
[19:23] <Wraz> Correct.
[19:24] <inetpro> heh wb Wraz
[19:24] <Wraz> :P
[19:24] <inetpro> lol
[19:24] <Wraz> 0/
[19:25] <stickyboy> BSD is UNIX-like.
[19:25] <Wraz> True.
[19:25] <Wraz> :)
[19:27] <stickyboy> Not sure what Mac OS X's UNIX certification means in practice.
[19:27] <stickyboy> POSIX compliance or what?
[19:27] <Wraz> FreeBSD = my all time favorite OS, BSD 3.1 was living Large when Windows 98 was the commercial product at large.
[19:28] <Wraz> 3.1 after being rewritten from the ground up from the Novel court battle
[19:29] <stickyboy> The first UNIX-like OS I used was Mac OS X in 1999. :D
[19:29] <stickyboy> Then Linux a few years later.
[19:29] <Wraz> I started on BSD :P
[19:30] <Wraz> back when i was finishing my MCSE when i was 16 ;0
[19:30] <Wraz> 16 Years ago now o0
[19:30] <Squirm> You're getting old Wraz
[19:31] <Wraz> I am getting too old ;<
[19:31] <Squirm> Though I 'spose I'm not *that* far behind
[19:31] <Squirm> Someone around me farted :/
[19:35] <stickyboy> MCSE ugh.
[19:35] <stickyboy> :P
[19:35] <Wraz> I was the youngest in the southern hemishphere at the time to do A+ MCSE and MCSD :P
[19:36] <Wraz> Now I dont even work with computers :p
[19:36] <Wraz> I am a railway signals Engineer o0
[19:40] <melodie> then don't work with computers, just have fun with them? :D
[19:41] <stickyboy> Dat gangster rap doe
[19:44] <Squirm> Lol
[19:54] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:07] <stickyboy> Kilos: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!members/nairobi-gnu
[20:07] <stickyboy> 171 members!


[01:59] <eayoungs> disconnect
[17:30] <fosburg> Type 1 fonts; Question, Adobe type one fonts are for windows and MAC, what OS for type 1 fonts is used for Linux--Ubuntu?
[17:46] <fosburg> Will Adobe Type 1 (MAC) fonts work with a Linux OS?
[17:50] <Resistance> fosburg:  #ubuntu
[17:51] <fosburg> Thanks I got a link to font install
[19:58] <bobweaver> hello there I have a question about ubunut classroom 1st is there any "local  teams" that hold live classrooms ? 2 say I wanted to make a classroom local in my town. could I implement ubuntu -classroom?   the reason why I ask is the other day I wnt downtown and handed out free live cd. and here are the 2 main questions that I got   1 so I just put this cd in my computer? and 2) where can I learn about this do you teach classes
[19:59] <Resistance> bobweaver:  i think that's not the purpose of this channel
[19:59] <Resistance> bobweaver:  this channel is usually for sessions which apply to the general ubuntu community
[19:59] <Resistance> not specific local areas.
[20:00] <bobweaver> sorry Resistance I just dont know where to turn that is all
[20:00] <Resistance> bobweaver:  fwiw, though, you're free to create a channel here on FreeNode and run yoru local "classroom" session from there
[20:00] <bobweaver> no I am saying live in a building with people there
[20:00] <bobweaver> Resistance:  PM ?
[20:00] <Resistance> um...
[20:01] <Resistance> sure...?
[20:01] <bobweaver> cool just wanted to ask 1st
[20:01]  * Resistance isnt god though
[20:01] <Resistance> so i likely cant answer all your questions
[20:01]  * Resistance has his attention split between 5 things now so... :P
[20:02] <bobweaver> lol


[03:54] <excalibr> helooo
[10:04] <excalibr> hyperair: besides glade, is there a more decent gtk gui builder? or there's only glade?
[10:05] <hyperair> excalibr: i think there might be something in anjuta
[10:06] <hyperair> what's wrong with glade?
[10:09] <excalibr> i dont know. last time i used it, it feels sluggish even when doing simple stuff
[10:10] <excalibr> what's anjuta?
[10:32] <hyperair> it's an iDE
[10:32] <hyperair> IDE*
[12:13] <kstan> somebody here?
[12:14] <sweemeng> hi kstan
[12:14] <kstan> sweemeng: hi how are u
[12:14] <sweemeng> the usual
[12:14] <kstan> sweemeng: long time no see
[12:15] <sweemeng> yeah man
[12:15] <kstan> something excited at KL recently?
[12:18] <sweemeng> too much
[12:19] <sweemeng> lol
[12:19] <sweemeng> so now want to chill
[12:19] <sweemeng> from election fiasco
[12:19] <sweemeng> to all the event I help running
[12:50] <excalibr> http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-05/26/google-blimps
[12:50] <excalibr> http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-05/26/google-blimps ('Google blimps will carry wireless signal across Africa (Wired UK)')
[12:50] <excalibr> "The company is intending to finance, build and help operate networks from sub-Saharan Africa to Southeast Asia, with the aim of connecting around a billion people to the web.
[12:52] <sweemeng> yeah good luck
[13:29] <kstan> sweemeng: what is election fiasco?
[13:30] <sweemeng> censorship and what not
[13:31] <kstan> haha.
[13:31] <kstan> what related to u?
[13:40] <sweemeng> i help a bit lol


[13:12] <mup> Bug #1506856 opened: Show devices with a parent on the node details page <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Triaged by carlaberkers> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1506856>
[14:12] <mup> Bug #1428831 changed: USB drive tagged "rotary" <ui> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428831>
[15:51] <mup> Bug #1506909 opened: Can't change node name due to unrelated error <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1506909>
[16:54] <mup> Bug #1497392 opened: maas text-mode "node-group-interface" bug fails with MAAS 1.8.2+bzr4041-0ubuntu1~trusty1 <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1497392>
[17:13] <mgz> roaksoax: wotcha, trying to get juju working with maas 1.9 and centos - the auto image import however is using 'centos70' rather than 'centos7' as the release name,
[17:14] <mgz> and then manually importing a custom image with the right name doesn't seem to get used when selecting release
[17:15] <mgz> have you tried doing this at all?
[17:48] <mup> Bug #1497392 changed: maas text-mode "node-group-interface" bug fails with MAAS 1.8.2+bzr4041-0ubuntu1~trusty1 <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1497392>
[17:51] <mup> Bug #1497392 opened: maas text-mode "node-group-interface" bug fails with MAAS 1.8.2+bzr4041-0ubuntu1~trusty1 <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1497392>
[17:54] <mup> Bug #1497392 changed: maas text-mode "node-group-interface" bug fails with MAAS 1.8.2+bzr4041-0ubuntu1~trusty1 <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1497392>
[18:48] <pmatulis> i have a kvm guest with two network adapters. do i need to do anything special for it to be enlisted?
[18:57] <roaksoax> win 13
[18:57] <roaksoax> mgz: how are you importing a custom image? as custom or as centos?
[18:59] <roaksoax> mgz: if it is as "centos" then, it is not really a custom image, but rather, the above image will take presedence and the imported manually ignored
[18:59] <roaksoax> mgz: please, do file a bug that highlights the change, so we can provide an alias that centos7 -> centos70
[19:19] <mup> Bug #1506991 opened: maas should tell cloud-init not to try metadata service on every boot <falkor:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1506991>
[19:22] <roaksoax> pmatulis: no not really? MAAS will discover both NIC's and add them in MAAS
[19:22] <mup> Bug #1506991 changed: maas should tell cloud-init not to try metadata service on every boot <falkor:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1506991>
[19:28] <mup> Bug #1506991 opened: maas should tell cloud-init not to try metadata service on every boot <falkor:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1506991>
[19:41] <pmatulis> roaksoax: ok


[05:29] <DEBhelper> Unit193, you around?
[05:30] <Unit193> Sure.
[05:30] <DEBhelper> can youdo me a favor?
[05:30] <DEBhelper> since I got kicked out of the project ubuntu.com for not coming here to this irc can you remove my wiki.ubuntu.com/AaronFarias?
[05:30] <Unit193> I dunno, what's up?
[05:31] <DEBhelper> and everything that has my name on it?
[05:31] <DEBhelper> since my launchpad.net/~timido and launchpad.net/AaronFarias was erase.
[05:31] <Unit193> I don't know where all you'd be listed, but for account deletion there's https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Closing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnPageDeletion
[05:31] <DEBhelper> and I work for the US army.
[05:32] <DEBhelper> so I don't need this little drama from freenode and Libera affect my status at my job.
[05:33] <DEBhelper> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AaronFarias
[05:33] <DEBhelper> I want it remove.... since you are the Person in charge of the project...
[05:33] <Unit193> I'm not in charge of the Ubuntu project, I have no idea if I have the permissions to delete wikipages, but I can pass along the request.
[05:34] <DEBhelper> my email was<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:34] <DEBhelper> ;)
[05:34] <DEBhelper> Since I got kicked out of the project...
[05:34] <DEBhelper> is pointless to have my name there;
[05:34] <DEBhelper> and if I see my name there then my lawyer will do a lawsuit against cannonical.
[05:35] <DEBhelper> not ubuntu
[05:35] <Unit193> (Still trying to login.)
[05:35] <DEBhelper> try harder
[05:36] <Unit193> OK, I don't have the permissions needed to delete that page.
[05:36] <DEBhelper> then speak to someone who does...
[05:36] <DEBhelper> since you we're the one who deleted me from launchpad
[05:36] <DEBhelper> ;)
[05:36] <Unit193> Oop, it might let me!
[05:37] <DEBhelper> and ubuntu-irc
[05:37] <DEBhelper> and ubuntu-loco
[05:37] <DEBhelper> ;)
[05:37] <Unit193> I certainly don't have the permissions to delete an Launchpad.net account, that's way past my permission level.
[05:37] <DEBhelper> who did or who does?
[05:37] <DEBhelper> because the only reason I got kicked out of the project because I chose to stay on ubuntu
[05:37] <DEBhelper> sorry freenode
[05:38] <Unit193> I don't wish to start a fight, but that's not the reason.
[05:38] <Unit193> 'Page "AaronFarias" was successfully deleted!'
[05:38] <DEBhelper> thank you ;)
[05:39] <DEBhelper> and thank you to this NOW Remove all of my Ubuntu servers from my Colleges Servers and the court system as well ;)
[05:39] <DEBhelper> so thank you ;)
[05:40] <Unit193> Hah, well that's *certainly* well past my abilities! ;P
[05:41] <DEBhelper> and all of the logs I got with my limnoria bot
[05:41] <DEBhelper> are funny too ;)
[05:41] <DEBhelper> from my channel take over from #ubuntu-es
[05:41] <DEBhelper> ;)
[05:41] <DEBhelper> so m4v can keep his channel
[05:42] <Unit193> Is there anything else I can help you with?
[05:42] <DEBhelper> not really ;)
[05:42] <DEBhelper> to fuck Ubuntu and Libera ;X
[06:27] <tribaal> well I guess it's pretty clear the code of conduct wasn't entirely understood by that person :)
[06:34] <Mekaneck> indeed
[06:35] <Mekaneck> to be honest, with that kind of attitude it's no wonder he got kicked out
[09:04] <Myrtti> reminds me of some of the darkest Ubuntu IRC moments
[09:04] <Myrtti> fortunately such a long time ago Ive forgotten nicknames
[09:10] <ogra> Unit193, hrm, how did you verify that this guy was actually aaron farias ? ... his LP page seems intact and fine https://launchpad.net/~harddark
[09:11] <Unit193> ogra: That's not his usual account, though appears to be a second one.  But, based on channels, what he was saying, who he was talking to, and his behavior.
[09:12] <ogra> well, k ... i find it a bit risky to just delete wiki pages of people coming here asking for it ...
[09:12] <Unit193> Yep, normally I wouldn't.
[09:12] <ogra> (could have been a freenode troll ...)
[09:13] <Unit193> http://web.archive.org/web/20150930231948/https://launchpad.net/~timido
[09:13] <Unit193> ...It still could be. :>
[18:42] <el> that is extremely not the only reason he got kicked out.
[18:43] <krytarik> Well, on #limnoria he blamed val for it, so..
[18:44] <krytarik> When he requested that his contributions to the project be undone..
[18:47] <el> his behaviour in general was abhorrant. even months ago he got mad that staff wouldn't just give him a member cloak on his say so. then when the move happened he started being very aggressive at people
[18:48] <el> and well beyond just in the "requesting that his contributions to the project be undone" way.
[18:54] <krytarik> Yeah, I'm aware as I've been one of those people.. >_>
[19:48] <m4v> ogra: troll or not, not a big loss for our wiki.
[19:50] <krytarik> You mean community. >_<
[19:51] <krytarik> But yeah, I agree the behavior was entirely him.
[19:53] <m4v> and contributions are completelly voluntary, he's has to wrong idea of collaborative work and open source if he now wants them undone.
[19:56] <krytarik> Those even were from 2015 btw.. :P


[22:21] <pleia2> I have a quick question about bugs if anyone is about
[22:21] <pleia2> there seems to be two bug places
[22:21] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/+bugs
[22:21] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bugs
[22:21] <pleia2> where should folks submit trusty bugs?
[22:22] <pleia2> looks like the latter
[22:27] <pleia2> counting \o/
[22:27]  * pleia2 back2work
[23:47] <dsmythies> plea2: Your question (which bug report place) is an excellent question, and one I have been thinking about recently, and thinking og brining up for broader discussion. Why? Because almost univsersally we use the bug location related to the packaged version of ubuntu-docs instead of the bug location related to the project version of ubuntu-docs. The result is a bit of a disconnect between bug reports and the code, since we work entirely within the "pr
[23:47] <pleia2> dsmythies: your line cut off at: since we work entirely within the "pr
[23:48] <dsmythies> Oh, on my version of IRC it wraps, sorry.
[23:48] <dsmythies> ... give me a minute
[23:48] <dsmythies> plea2: Your question (which bug report place) is an excellent question, and one I have been thinking about recently,
[23:49] <dsmythies> and thinking of brining up for broader discussion. Why? Because almost univsersally we use
[23:49] <dsmythies> the bug location related to the packaged version of ubuntu-docs instead of the bug location related
[23:49] <dsmythies> to the project version of ubuntu-docs. The result is a bit of a disconnect between bug reports and the code,
[23:49] <dsmythies> since we work entirely within the "project". The issue is made worse because other things, such as bug against
[23:49] <dsmythies> help.ubuntu.com and the wiki are also lumped into those bug locations and people get confused as
[23:50] <dsmythies> to what the bug applies to, particulalry when detail is a little lacking.
[23:50] <pleia2> yeah :\
[23:54] <dsmythies> I didn't bring it up yet for dicussion because I don't have a suggestion. Historically (I think) things such as the serverguide were plit out and are a neat and tidy entity within launchpad.
[23:54]  * pleia2 nods
[23:54] <pleia2> I decided to just give the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bugs link in the email I sent out earlier because it seemed like what people had been submitting against
[23:55] <dsmythies> I was going to suggest to us the "project" bug location, which would mean changing the link on the footer on help.ubuntu.com.
[23:55] <pleia2> we need an infograph showing people the structure of the teams and resources, it's so confusing
[23:55] <dsmythies> It is confusing yes.
[23:55] <pleia2> ah, help.ubuntu.com does include a docs bug link!
[23:56] <dsmythies> we'll better leave it as you sent out. (I find it annoying, becuase Iam  used to the serverguide)
[23:56] <pleia2> yeah, for now anyway, something to consider though
[23:57] <dsmythies> The real solution would require some re-structuring in launchpad becuase some things are lumped together.
[23:57]  * pleia2 nods
[23:58] <pleia2> we may find we need to do that anyway at some point, so I'm mental noting the bug reason too


[07:10] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[07:10] <nuvolari> anyone using GnomeShell 3? on 12.04?
[07:15] <superfly> hi nuvolari
[07:15] <superfly> nope
[12:34] <nuvolari> hmm, one would say most took leave today
[16:06] <magespawn> Howdy y'all
[16:51] <superfly> yo magespawn
[17:17] <magespawn> Hey supefly, was having a snooze
[17:17] <magespawn> Superfly^^
[17:17] <superfly> np
[17:27] <magespawn> Channel has grown a bit hey
[17:29] <superfly> mm, it has
[17:50] <magespawn> Have android dev guys seen this http://greendroid.cyrilmottier.com/
[17:56] <magespawn> This is also pretty cool http://www.marcandangel.com/2010/11/15/12-dozen-places-to-self-educate-yourself-online/
[18:09] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[18:09] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:16] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[18:16] <magespawn> Hi Kilos
[18:24] <magespawn> Look like we going to play irc bomarang tonight
[18:24] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[18:25] <Kilos> very dead hey
[18:25] <Kilos> hows the plans for a release party in natal magespawn
[18:25] <magespawn> Not sure I am bit out of the way
[18:26] <Kilos> the monkey and nuvolari supposed to be making plans with you hey?
[18:26] <magespawn> That was the idea
[18:26] <Kilos> oh i thought you said you gonna make the trip
[18:26] <Kilos> saw in the list mails intel has a new chip out for desktops
[18:27] <Kilos> 13 quad core processors in it
[18:27] <Kilos> must fly
[18:27] <Kilos> and cost a fortune
[18:30] <magespawn> I was going to see if I could but I do not know any of the details
[18:31] <nuvolari> o/ magespawn, uncle Kilos, superfly
[18:31] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[18:31] <Kilos> lol
[18:31] <nuvolari> pong oom Kilos
[18:31] <Kilos> naand seun
[18:31] <nuvolari> naand oom!
[18:31] <nuvolari> gaan dit goed?
[18:31] <magespawn> Hey nuvolari
[18:31] <Kilos> wat beplan julle vir n release patrytjie
[18:31] <Kilos> ja dankie nuvolari
[18:32] <nuvolari> I'm a bit out of the loop, and from what my eye caught there were talks on Kloof
[18:32] <nuvolari> which is way out of my planned reach
[18:33] <Kilos> oh ya thats on the road to maritzburg
[18:34] <Kilos> what does william walter kinghorn say nuvolari ? he was involved a few releases back i think
[18:34] <nuvolari> Kilos: I think he was talking 'bout that
[18:34] <nuvolari> but I've not really had time to read *all* the emails :-/
[18:35] <Kilos> i havent seen any about a durbs party yet
[18:35] <Kilos> maybe i dont get all the mails
[18:35] <magespawn> I did not see anything either
[18:35] <Kilos> get lotsa libre office help needed ones though
[18:41] <Kilos> bad to be doff at times hey? i struggled most of the day to cd to a partition on my drive called /storage
[18:42] <Kilos> tried /home/storage   /home/miles/storage
[18:42] <magespawn> Okay, what was the problem
[18:43] <Kilos>  then media/storage and /dev storage
[18:43] <Kilos> ended up i just had to go /storage
[18:43] <Kilos> sigh
[18:43] <magespawn> Lol
[18:43] <Kilos> hehe
[18:44] <magespawn> Most obvious route
[18:44] <Kilos> its a lekker 40g partition full of movies and mavericks packages etc
[18:44] <magespawn> Cool beans
[18:45] <Kilos> want to empty it to put precise repo in there
[18:45] <magespawn> Brb putting fish 1 to bed
[18:45] <Kilos> but takes forever to watch the movies before deleting
[18:45] <Kilos> k
[19:01] <magespawn> Back
[19:01] <Kilos> wb
[19:01] <magespawn> You can't get another hard drive?
[19:02] <Kilos> i have the 40g external as well
[19:02] <Kilos> but thats also kinda full
[19:02] <magespawn> 40 gig?
[19:03] <Kilos> yeah but its like 36g
[19:03] <Kilos> oh sorry gig yeah
[19:03] <magespawn> You always lose a bit because of system files etc.
[19:03] <magespawn> That is pretty small though
[19:05] <Kilos> but it also works now and again so first want to format and fsck and make sure it is good and reliable again before i save important stuff there
[19:05] <magespawn> Good idea.
[19:05] <magespawn> There arentwo things I seem to run out of all the time, plugs and storage.
[19:06] <magespawn> Are two
[19:06] <Kilos> lol
[19:07] <Kilos> i got a 200g seagate drive here that just goes click click and dunno where to even start looking
[19:07] <magespawn> Considering getting another 2TB of storage, but have other plans first
[19:07] <Kilos> ian brings all his scrap here
[19:07] <magespawn> Sound like stuck heads
[19:07] <Kilos> whew what do you save that needs that much storage
[19:08] <Kilos> i opened it and the heads actually moved back and forward for a while then just stop
[19:08] <Kilos> pc doesnt even see it
[19:08] <magespawn> Most of my dvd i store like that, so that when disk is damaged i can still watch them
[19:09] <Kilos> ah
[19:09] <magespawn> Could try the controller board if you can get a spare
[19:10] <magespawn> Kids tend to wreck dvd 's quite quickly
[19:10] <Kilos> that little board inside it?
[19:10] <magespawn> The one on the bottom on the outside
[19:10] <magespawn> The one the controller cables plug into
[19:11] <Kilos> oh that big one. not must chance of getting one of them. unless ian gets lots more scrap ones
[19:11] <magespawn> That is usually the problem with drives no spares
[19:12] <Kilos> modern electronics is so advanced there isnt even much one can test anymore\
[19:12] <Kilos> chips with 100 legs etc
[19:12] <Kilos> when i was still working with electronics 24 legs was a massive chip
[19:13] <magespawn> I think they use white lithium grease for lubrication maybe try that on the head
[19:13] <magespawn> Yup
[19:13] <magespawn> Progress isn't it fun?
[19:13] <Kilos> the heads are those like wipers on either side of the disks hey
[19:14] <magespawn> Yup
[19:14] <Kilos> progress is good but everything is moving away from manual repairs
[19:15] <magespawn> But  the grease goes at the point were the little pivot is
[19:15] <magespawn> Brb
[19:16] <Kilos> ah. but it seems to pivot fine thats what makes the clicking noise
[19:16] <Kilos> eish
[19:16] <Kilos> wb
[19:17] <magespawn> Touch keyboard was freaking out
[19:17] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:17] <magespawn> The grease must not go on the actual heads but on the arms at the pivot point
[19:18] <Kilos> ah. but it seems to pivot fine thats what makes the clicking noise
[19:18] <Kilos> but will try anything
[19:18] <Kilos> would be lekker to have 200g of storage
[19:18] <magespawn> Maybe the board works just enough to get that going then fails
[19:19] <Kilos> i will experiment
[19:19] <magespawn> Does something like gparted see the drive?
[19:19] <Kilos> i forget now but will check again and let you knopw
[19:19] <Kilos> know
[19:19] <Kilos> but dont think so
[19:20] <Kilos> if gparted sees them its normally the mbr that corrupt
[19:20] <Kilos> fixed some like that by zeroing them and then installing
[19:21] <magespawn> If that does not then I have no other idea, there is a linux program for recovering info called photoimage i think
[19:21] <Kilos> photorec
[19:21] <Kilos> and testdisk
[19:22] <magespawn> Thats it, that worked when gparted did not
[19:22] <Kilos> got great data recovery tools but drive needs to be seen first
[19:22] <Kilos> actually blogged about it once
[19:25] <Kilos> ty for the chat magespawn night all
[19:25] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:26] <magespawn> Night kilos
[19:26] <magespawn> Ooops slow typing
[21:15] <tumbleweed> \o/ http://my-ubuntu-day.blogspot.com/2012/04/cape-town-precise-pangolin-release.html
[21:25] <superfly> w00t


[22:52] <weioo> How can I request a package to get updated?
[22:52] <weioo> PHP 7.0 -> 7.1
[22:52] <weioo> Python 3.5 -> 3.6
[22:52] <weioo> GNOME Terminal 3.20 -> 3.23
[23:03] <tarpman> weioo: python 3.6 is in ubuntu 16.10, php 7.1 will be in ubuntu 17.04, gnome-terminal is waiting for bug 1636666 according to the release notes
[23:13] <weioo> tarpman: thanks
[23:15] <weioo> tarpman: packages.ubuntu.org seems to tell me Python 3.5 is in both 16.10 and 17.04
[23:15] <tarpman> weioo: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python3.6
[23:16] <tarpman> weioo: "python3" is python 3.5 in both of those, yes
[23:16] <weioo> Ah, Python 3.6 is available, but its under the python3.6 package :(
[23:17] <tarpman> I *think* 17.04 is planned to switch the default to 3.6 before release, but not certain
[23:17] <weioo> Would have been great if it was Python 3.6 by default as "python3" instead of 3.5
[23:17] <weioo> oh, I hope so
[23:18] <weioo> 3.6 has support for the new lovely f"My name is {name}, I am {age} year old" strings, f-strings
[23:28] <weioo> Oh the Wine packages are outdated too
[23:32] <wxl> weioo: debian completely lacks a version 2-anything. in fact, they're shipping "development" packages still in 1-something
[23:33] <wxl> weioo: might want to chat with the debian maintainer.
[23:39] <wxl> weioo: you could request a sync from experimental but given that FeatureFreeze is already in effect and this is a whoel new major version, you probably won't see anything until the next release (not zesty)
[23:39] <wxl> weioo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[23:40] <wxl> weioo: note that Ubuntu is based on Debian unstable (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging) so if you can motivate Debian to offer 2-something there, that might be helpful
[23:49] <weioo> thanks


[08:16] <jibel> ev, thanks for the review and the merge of wubi.
[08:16] <jibel> i'll test it this morning.
[10:26]  * ev tries to figure out how plymouth ends up inside the livecd initramfs
[13:40] <superm1> ev, casper/conf-hooks.d/casper
[13:40] <superm1> it declares FRAMEBUFFER=y which pulls in the plymouth initramfs hook
[13:45] <ev> ahhh, that's the magic rune I was missing
[13:45] <ev> thanks!
[14:26] <ev> http://paste.ubuntu.com/703989/plain/ - though I imagine that has to wait for P
[14:32] <jibel> ev, did you test a wubi installation of kubuntu or xubuntu ?
[14:32] <ev> not yet
[14:32] <jibel> ev, ok, will do then.
[14:32] <ev> cool
[23:42] <CIA-45> netcfg: cjwatson * r1281 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog netcfg.c): Fix crash when there are no network interfaces (LP: #870212).
[23:44] <CIA-45> netcfg: cjwatson * r1282 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.68ubuntu7
[23:46] <stgraber> cjwatson: argh, sorry for that, should have thought of the no network card case...
[23:46] <cjwatson> so should I when reviewing it ... :-)