[06:43] <dkessel> good morning
[07:11] <pitti> hey dkessel, wie gehts?
[08:41] <dkessel> hey pitti :) gut, wie gehts dir?
[08:41] <dkessel> hey thetoxicarcade
[08:43] <thetoxicarcade> :D
[08:43] <thetoxicarcade> waaaaaiiiit is that ***THE*** dkessel?
[08:44] <thetoxicarcade> Hello all, I'm noticing that the ubuntu testing wikis are really really old. Do we still do classroom sessions or is this mostly erm...
[08:45] <dkessel> thetoxicarcade: sure, that's me
[08:46] <dkessel> for example?
[08:46] <thetoxicarcade> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom <-- last edit 2013
[08:50] <dkessel> mhh, looks like there were no classroom sessions in 2014 at all.
[08:50] <dkessel> do you need any information thetoxicarcade ?
[08:50] <thetoxicarcade> Quite, I would love help messing with CI
[08:52] <thetoxicarcade> I heard it was juju charms and it seems like the stuff I'm digging through involves the manual stuff (Which is good to know, too). How do I design a test that gets tested within the milestones and stuff? Know where to point me?
[08:54] <thetoxicarcade> General question for the channel too: Who is the poor soul that runs @ubuntutesting on twitter? I owe them 5lbs of bacon and a hug.
[08:58] <dkessel> thetoxicarcade: manual testcases are kept in launchpad, at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests .
[08:58] <dkessel> there is also a todo list ;)
[08:59] <dkessel> generally, you might want to coordinate with balloons, who is normally here during US working hours
[08:59] <dkessel> did you do any iso or package test yet?
[09:00] <thetoxicarcade> cool :D wait how should I coordinate with him
[09:01] <thetoxicarcade> I booted with testdrive once (jeepers!) but I'm still digging for where to find a test to perform
[09:20] <dkessel> thetoxicarcade: go to iso.qa.ubuntu.com or packages.qa.ubuntu.com , and then click on "testing tracker" on the left
[09:20] <dkessel> you will need to log in with launchpad to enter results
[09:22] <thetoxicarcade> cool, so I can't see any bugs on the daily build but there's an older bug for ubuntu gnome for instance. Should I just boot the iso for daily and run from the ppa?
[09:29] <dkessel> run from the ppa? you can boot the daily iso and then you can perform the tests listed von *.qa.ubuntu.com. no need for any ppas here
[09:33] <thetoxicarcade> :D (my wifi is failing but yay I think I'm set)
[14:00] <robotfuel> ping ubuntu-qa can someone review this for me? https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/camera-app/fix-ap-tests/+merge/241965
[14:00] <om26er> robotfuel, I will.
[14:00] <robotfuel> om26er: thanks
[14:06] <om26er> robotfuel, can you add the date and your name to the comment and also explain a bit more about the reason you are sleeping in the code comment because right now looking at the linked bug its not clear why we are sleeping.
[14:06] <robotfuel> om26er: ok
[14:11] <robotfuel> om26er: done
[16:37] <elfy> afternoon all you quality peoples
[17:17] <elopio> alesage: that libfaketime seems really cool
[17:18] <alesage> elopio, yeah although it seems to break everything
[17:18] <alesage> elopio, also, some question about whether or not it'd be possible to change the time value after a process is started, i.e. it may just copy the env var and that's it
[17:19] <elopio> alesage: I would ask the unity apis team what do they propose to test timed things.
[17:19] <alesage> charles and I discussing earlier, there's a faked power reading in indicator-power, we might follow that pattern instead
[17:19] <elopio> if they have no proposals, we should file a bug for them to work nicely with libfaketime.
[17:20] <elopio> alesage: is power reading a dbus call?
[17:20] <alesage> elopio, yes via d-bus, looks like this in the test plan https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/indicator-power
[17:21] <elopio> alesage: but I guess that reading the system time is not done through dbus.
[17:21] <alesage> elopio, I haven't gotten into that code as yet but sounds fun :)
[17:21] <alesage> elopio, true--indicator-datetime takes responsibility for this (at least for the title/menu bar case)
[17:22] <elopio> alesage: yes, when it's dbus everything can be nicely done.
[17:22] <alesage> elopio, yes d-bus works well with our autopilot world
[20:16] <Letozaf_> balloons_, hi
[20:16] <elfy> evening Letozaf_
[20:16] <Letozaf_> elfy, good evening to you :) how are you ?
[20:17] <balloons_> Letozaf_, why hello
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons_,hello :-)
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons_, I was looking at clock app code to see if I find out the reason why I am having problems with filemanager app
[20:18] <elfy> Letozaf_: I'm good thanks :)
[20:18] <elfy> hi balloons_
[20:18] <balloons_> elfy, hello good sir
[20:19] <balloons_> happy monday to you all
[20:19]  * elfy looks over his shoulder to see who balloons_ is talking to :p
[20:19] <knome> me i guess
[20:19]  * knome sips a beer
[20:20] <knome> unfortunately this is far from the best ones that i've had, put nicely
[20:20] <elfy> ha ha
[20:22] <Letozaf_> balloons_, happy monday to you too
[20:23] <balloons_> dkessel, are you about btw?
[20:23] <doug5> hello
[20:24] <balloons_> Letozaf_, so did you get any further with the mp for file manager? I didn't try and recreate your issue; I think you did leave some source though didn't you? if there is a branch to pull, let me know
[20:24] <balloons_> doug5, howdy!
[20:25] <Letozaf_> balloons_, this one has the last "tries" that failed: https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/junk/filemanager-try
[20:25] <Letozaf_> doug5, howdy :-P
[20:25] <balloons_> Letozaf_, ok I'll pull that
[20:27] <dkessel> mhh sort of, balloons_ . at a company evening event.
[20:27] <dkessel> Everybody had BBQ and is getting tired ;)
[20:28] <elfy> more food needed then obviously :p
[20:28] <doug5> Letozaf_, bonsoir!
[20:30] <Letozaf_> doug5, bonsoir, :-P my French is not so good ...
[20:30] <doug5> Letozaf_, pretty much like mine, I guess... :)
[20:30] <Letozaf_> doug5, mmm maybe ma Afrikaans is better than my French :P
[20:31] <dkessel> balloons_: I'll read later if there's anything you want
[20:32] <Letozaf_> doug5, do you want to try and run the filemanager test I pasted to balloons on the emulator ?
[20:32] <Letozaf_> doug5, so you can see if you find out why it fails ?
[20:33] <balloons_> dkessel, no you just enjoy! I was going to ask if cameron got ahold of you
[20:33] <doug5> Letozaf_, you mean if I can run your branch on the emulator? No ;)
[20:33] <Letozaf_> doug5, lol :-P
[20:34] <Letozaf_> doug5, what problems have you got ?
[20:34] <dkessel> Yup he was there. Read the backlog... Something.. thetoxicarcade was his nick
[20:34] <balloons_> dkessel, right, I do remember seeing that now, awesome
[20:35] <doug5> Letozaf_, the same...I'm only able to run the emulator with the "desktop" profile
[20:36] <Letozaf_> doug5, oh yes, now I remember you get an error in the armhf kit, rithg ?
[20:36] <Letozaf_> right
[20:39] <Letozaf_> doug5, did you try to create a new armhf kit ?
[20:42] <balloons_> I keep losing my handle :-(
[20:42] <knome> balloons_, you got to start holding on tighter
[20:47] <doug5> Letozaf_, thing is that on my machine QtCreator crashes really a lot
[20:48] <balloons_> doug5, o? what release?
[20:49] <Letozaf_> doug5, unfortunatly I do not use QtCreator much :P I use my device for testing so I do not get a lot of crashes as you
[20:51] <doug5> balloons_, 3.1.1
[20:52] <balloons_> doug5, ahh sorry.. I meant, trusty, utopic, vidi?
[20:53] <doug5> balloons_, utopic
[20:53] <knome> balloons_, veni, vidi, vici?
[20:53] <doug5> :D
[20:54] <doug5> balloons_, Letozaf_ do you have something for me which does not imply using an emulator?
[20:54] <balloons_> knome, something like that
[20:55] <balloons_> doug5, yea any core app that is not a binary will be easy to run and hack on without the emulator
[20:55] <balloons_> calendar for example is not compiled
[20:56] <doug5> balloons_, is there anything open for calendar?
[20:57] <balloons_> doug5, yes, recently support landed (again) for the datepicker used by the new event tests for calendar in autopilot
[20:58] <balloons_> doug5, so those new event tests need to be expanded to include setting the new event
[20:58] <Letozaf_> thetoxicarcade, hello :-)
[20:58] <doug5> balloons_, do we have a bug opened for this?
[20:58] <balloons_> doug5, if calendar is interesting for you I would encourage you to join up and meet mihir and kunal who are the developers
[20:58] <thetoxicarcade> :D Hello! Question, is balloons_ balloons? where do I get the container package for unity8?
[20:59] <doug5> balloons_, ok sure
[20:59] <balloons_> doug5, yes, let me go have a look
[21:00] <balloons_> doug5, the calendar team meet weekly on IRC in #ubuntu-touch-meeting weekly at 1400 UTC
[21:00] <balloons_> thetoxicarcade, hello! ahh yes, the unity8 container
[21:01] <balloons_> I'm trying to get through all the UOS goodness as soon as I can. For now the session and notes are the best info.
[21:01] <thetoxicarcade> I'm making a 4 minute youtube video summing up what I saw from the hour long ones
[21:01] <doug5> balloons_, ok, I'll try to get in touch with them :) if there is a bug I can take just drop me an email
[21:02] <doug5> good night to everyone
[21:02] <balloons_> doug5, sure thing. is that time a good time for you?
[21:02] <balloons_> doug5, I will introduce you by email to the team :-)
[21:02] <doug5> balloons_, unfortunately not because I'm at work :(
[21:03] <balloons_> I think it will be easier since it doesn't require compliation
[21:03] <balloons_> doug5, ahh, no worries then. you'll be able to talk to the other devs easily enough still
[21:03] <doug5> yes I guess so
[21:04] <Letozaf_> doug5, good night
[21:04] <doug5> Letozaf_, ciao ciao
[21:04] <balloons_> doug5,  à bientôt!
[21:04] <doug5> balloons_, :))
[21:08] <balloons_> thetoxicarcade, awesome
[21:08] <balloons_> Letozaf_, sorry, your branch is still sitting here un-run by me :-(
[21:10] <balloons_> thetoxicarcade, ok, so here's the ppa with the container: ppa:unity8-desktop-session-team/unity8-preview-lxc
[21:10] <balloons_> thetoxicarcade, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[21:10] <Letozaf_> balloons_, :) I am trying to figure out why QQuickFlickable and PlacesPage objects are not seen, tried other things but had no good luck, anyway I am still trying ...
[21:11] <balloons_> thetoxicarcade, also I heard you wanted to help dkessel out with the qatracker? That would be awesome!
[21:12] <thetoxicarcade> I think the term I'm grasping for is the smoke tests or the qatracker or.. you know, the automated "sane images" stuff
[21:12] <thetoxicarcade> "vivid is 60% sane/passing on amd64"
[21:12] <balloons_> thetoxicarcade, were you able to get started on setting up a development environment? On a related note to that, I'm trying to get a charm setup for installing the qatracker, so if that's something that peaks your interest . . .
[21:13] <thetoxicarcade> (anything that impresses QA people is something I'm willing to try!) I've got lots of the testing environment ready just confused on the implementation.
[21:14] <balloons_> thetoxicarcade, yes http://ci.ubuntu.com/ more or less shows you results from the various jenkins automated test runs
[21:15] <balloons_> thetoxicarcade, simply put everyday a new image is created from a snapshot of the archive. It's built and run against a series of automated smoke tests
[21:15] <balloons_> if these tests pass the image is pushed to the 'current' image on cdimage
[21:16] <balloons_> from there, we can manually test the image and report results on the isotracker. Typically this testing is done as part of a milestone
[21:16] <balloons_> thetoxicarcade, so you are correct at the moment 67% of the smoke tests on the image pass
[21:17] <thetoxicarcade> so it's jenkins (a program or a person) that runs smoketests that display on ci, then manual tests are performed using an actual install of vivid from the instructions on the isotracker?
[21:17] <balloons_> for the desktop, that is
[21:17] <balloons_> thetoxicarcade, jenkins is a CI tool yes. The smoke tests and images are done automatically
[21:19] <balloons_> the idea is to manually test images after they've been vetted a little bit by the automated tests
[21:19] <thetoxicarcade> balloons_, yay :D so I should figure out how to: triage bugs to vet them for developers, boot and click through manual tests from the iso tracker, and then look at jenkins (which is probably written in...?)
[21:20] <balloons_> that's for the desktop and server stuff. On the phone images, the automated tests are much larger as you can see. And manual testing is done daily on them by Canonical QA folks. For now this really requires some hardware (a nexus4) but that will change soon enough with the release of ubuntu phones into the wild from oem's
[21:21] <balloons_> thetoxicarcade, well if you've played a bit with manual testing that's good. We try and automate as much as possible, so if you have the tech skills and desire I would push you in that direction
[21:21] <balloons_> this early in the cycle we don't worry too much about rigorous manual testing (like say a milestone) for desktop and server images
[21:21]  * thetoxicarcade none_whatsoever
[21:21] <thetoxicarcade> (sort of)
[21:22] <thetoxicarcade> I will probably forward a backstory to you
[21:22] <balloons_> thetoxicarcade, well you can still write and help maintain our manual testcases, which elfy is one of the resident experts for. You just need to be able to write english coherently and understand how testcases should work
[21:22] <elfy> shhh
[21:22] <elfy> :p
[21:23] <balloons_> :p
[21:23] <thetoxicarcade> <.< ._. elves
[21:23] <balloons_> Letozaf_, looking now finally
[21:23] <elfy> talking of which - balloons_ https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1132847/+merge/237065
[21:23] <Letozaf_> balloons_, :)
[21:24] <balloons_> after Letozaf_ I will look :-)
[21:24] <thetoxicarcade> in short, I've written code, just not much debian (yuck) ((*GASP*)) and automated testing is like, da bomb
[21:24] <balloons_> oO we never merged that
[21:24]  * balloons_ turns a little red
[21:24] <elfy> thanks - it's just been kicking about since ages ;)
[21:24] <elfy> lol
[21:24] <elfy> you wanted some changes - I did them ;)
[21:25] <elfy> ish
[21:25] <balloons_> Letozaf_, so I was going to mention that autopilot3-sandbox-run with a small tweak should replicate jenkins if needed
[21:25]  * balloons_ forgets he must build
[21:26] <Letozaf_> balloons_, oh that would be very useful
[21:27] <Letozaf_> balloons_, but if the test fails on device I have no hope it won't on Jenkins
[21:27] <balloons_> Letozaf_, yea I have a pending merge for mp.. you just need to add a line to start a wm first. you could make the change locally easily
[21:27] <balloons_> Letozaf_, right, that was for the original ? on jenkins issue. We're past that now, so it's not needed
[21:27] <balloons_> but I wanted to mention it so you could file it away as useful knowledge
[21:28] <Letozaf_> balloons_, sure It will certainly be useful for the next tests
[21:30] <balloons_> Letozaf_, so running filemanager.tests.test_places.PlacesTestCase.test_go_to_root_must_open_the_root_directory works ok on my desktop. I thought it didn't?
[21:30] <balloons_> it didn't run in phone mode though
[21:30] <Letozaf_> balloons_, on the desktop it runs fine as it uses the places sidebar and not the bottom edge
[21:31] <Letozaf_> balloons_, you have to run the test on the device or in phone mode
[21:31] <Letozaf_> balloons_, I run it on the device and it fails :(
[21:32] <balloons_> Letozaf_, weird it says it runs in phone-mode, but it doesn't
[21:33]  * balloons_ tries device
[21:34] <Letozaf_> balloons_, you have reduce filemanager window the size of a phone and you will see the bottom edge pop up and the sidebare dissapear
[21:34] <Letozaf_> balloons_, but that has to be done manually
[21:34] <Letozaf_> balloons_, so I run tests directly on the device
[21:37] <balloons_> Letozaf_, ohh looking at your code the output makes sense
[21:37] <balloons_> Letozaf_, notice you wait for the PlacesPage to appear
[21:37] <balloons_> then select inside of it
[21:38] <Letozaf_> balloons_, you mean I have to put that peace of code inside the Placespage ?
[21:39] <Letozaf_> balloons_, I was thinking of a problem of that type, but wan't quite sure
[21:39] <balloons_> Letozaf_, no I mean what I originally wanted you to do doesn't make as much sense
[21:39] <Letozaf_> balloons_, oh :-)
[21:40] <balloons_> Letozaf_, does what's in the mp work on the device as-is?
[21:40] <balloons_> I mean this: v
[21:40] <balloons_> https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-filemanager-app/test-places-fixed/+merge/241206
[21:40] <Letozaf_> balloons_, yes
[21:41] <balloons_> so in your mp you are checking the dragging and waiting for it to complete
[21:42] <balloons_> in filemanager-try you are doing a .visible.wait_for(True).. that doesn't make sense to me
[21:42] <Letozaf_> balloons_, If you want I will run it again
[21:42] <balloons_> Letozaf_, no I'm sure it's fine
[21:42] <Letozaf_> balloons_, in the filemanager-try that was a second desperate try :-P
[21:43] <Letozaf_> balloons_, as the part commented out did not work
[21:44] <Letozaf_> balloons_, I first tried to get places page and test that it wasn't been dragged anymore
[21:44] <balloons_> Letozaf_, so I merged trunk with your filemanager-try branch trunk fixes the issue with -p being ignored
[21:44] <balloons_> makes it easier to debug on the desktop
[21:45] <balloons_> since you can add the -p to the launcher
[21:45]  * Letozaf_ is looking
[21:46] <balloons_> add the '-p' arg to launch_test_local
[21:46] <balloons_> that should make it easier for you
[21:46] <Letozaf_> balloons_, ok
[21:48] <balloons_> Letozaf_, that said it seems to run in phone mode, with your fix
[21:50] <Letozaf_> balloons_, you mean the filemanager-try :O
[21:50] <balloons_> Letozaf_, yes with filemanager-try
[21:51] <balloons_> Letozaf_, using self.wait_select_single("QQuickFlickable",  objectName="placesFlickable").dragging.wait_for(False) at the end of _drag_bottomedge_to_open_places
[21:51]  * Letozaf_ is trying on her desktop
[21:53] <balloons> woot, success
[21:53]  * balloons ponders 'what's in a name?'
[21:54] <elfy> and a,e, m and a n
[21:54] <elfy> sigh
[21:54] <elfy> s/an/and :p
[21:54]  * balloons expected elfy to quote shakespeare
[21:55] <elfy> meh
[21:55] <balloons> ROFL
[21:55] <elfy> have *you* read that stuff?
[21:56] <elfy> I believe that he was a hack - it's just no-one else's stuff lasted as long :p
[21:57] <balloons> elfy, at some point I had to read some of his stuff. Can't say it really left a large impression either way
[21:57] <thetoxicarcade> what about falstaff? poor falstaff, valiant falstaff, brave falstaff, noble falstaff
[21:57] <balloons> but I was laughing when I realized where my quote came from
[21:57] <elfy> :D
[21:57] <balloons> we'll stick with monty python for UK exports
[21:58] <elfy> well ...
[21:59] <elfy> bored with that I'm afraid - been watching that for too long
[21:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, when I run the test it runs launch_test_installed not launch_test_local...
[21:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, maybe I should uninstall filemanager from my desktop
[22:03] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes
[22:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, :( what a mess :-P probably uninstalling filemanager made a mess
[22:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, ah man
[22:04] <balloons> Letozaf_, heh.. might need to put back the depends
[22:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, :-P
[22:07]  * dkessel is back home
[22:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, it's getting late, I will fix the mess, test my test again and then push to the mp
[22:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, tomorrow :)
[22:08] <balloons> Letozaf_, kk
[22:08] <balloons> Letozaf_, buonosera
[22:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, see tomorrow, buona notte :)
[22:27] <balloons> elfy, left you some comments
[22:28] <elfy> I'll have a look in a few weeks then :D
[22:30] <balloons> perfect!
[22:30] <elfy> or tomorrow :p
[22:33]  * balloons not ready for that
[22:33] <elfy> balloons obviously forgets that xubuntu don't actually seed this thing and never test it ...
[22:34] <elfy> and elfy was just filling a need
[22:34] <elfy> ;)
[22:34] <elfy> obviously he looked today ;)
[22:36]  * balloons pictures elfy running out of fingers plugging the holes in the dam
[22:36] <elfy> balloons: you've commented "Test will require a USB stick that can be erased as well as a system that will boot from said USB stick"
[22:37] <elfy> not sure I'm understanding what you mean there
[22:37] <balloons> yea, lol, complex
[22:37] <balloons> you try and make things simpler
[22:37] <elfy> ok
[22:37] <elfy> but I still need to know what you think that sentence means first :)
[22:37] <balloons> elfy, my contribution is instead of pc or vm, just say system
[22:37] <balloons> we need a system and a usb stick
[22:38] <elfy> but shouldn't a *machine* with no OS boot it :)
[22:40] <balloons> machine that sounds fine too
[22:41] <balloons> tell you what, the next iteration gets a rubber stamp from me
[22:41] <elfy> ha ha - no, I would like it to be right :)
[22:41] <elfy> oic what you mean by system now :)
[22:42] <elfy> and yea I must have copy/pasted persistence bits in the wrong place too
[22:42] <elfy> I'll finish that tomorrow or Wednesday, then we can at least have a good testcase for people to use this cycle
[22:48] <balloons> we do have all cycle to mess with semantics!
[22:49] <elfy> lol
[22:52] <rbasak> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-adt-nagios3/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/ doesn't look right to me.
[22:52] <rbasak> Could somebody check please? Looks like a test runner failure.
[22:59] <elfy> balloons: quick one - why are big lumps of everyones jenkins ubiquity results fails?
[23:04] <balloons> elfy, right now there's fails?
[23:04] <balloons> I know on vivid images are a bit rocky in smoke testing
[23:06] <elfy> balloons: since days and days afaik
[23:06] <balloons> elfy, jibel as usual is a good one to poke on that
[23:07] <elfy> seems to be not all tests
[23:07] <elfy> ok - I'll try and remember first thing in the morning


[08:19] <yurtesen> good morning
[08:20] <Patrick14159> hello
[08:20] <yurtesen> utkarsh2102: what will happen next?
[08:20] <Patrick14159> i am curious aswell
[09:24] <utkarsh2102> yurtesen: hey, I'm not sure, can you write to ubuntu-devel-discuss?
[09:24] <utkarsh2102> about the whole issue
[09:25] <utkarsh2102> or maybe gimme time till Thursday, I'll write and send one
[09:26] <utkarsh2102> I'm not gonna be around today
[10:22] <rbasak> lvoytek: sorry I only noticed your Salsa MRs for MySQL yesterday. Merged now. I also filed https://salsa.debian.org/mariadb-team/mysql/-/merge_requests/56 for your review please.
[12:30] <athos> good morning :)
[12:48] <yurtesen> utkarsh2102: I don't mind writing one, but maybe you can be more persuasive?
[14:14] <lvoytek> rbasak: Thanks for the review, I'll get started on moving debian to 8.0.29. The mp you sent me looks good, I don't have approve access though
[18:39] <sdeziel> athos: kudo for your detective work on LP: #1882279 !
[18:43] <sarnold> nice :)
[18:47] <athos> sdeziel: thx :)
[18:47] <mdeslaur> oh yeah, nice!
[18:51] <sarnold> athos: another potential solution https://lwn.net/Articles/691932/
[18:55] <athos> sarnold: Nice! thank you!! :)
[20:38] <patdk-lap> oh my, that is something I'm going have to backport also, lots of fun
[21:06] <blackboxsw> Hey folks, cloud-init is looking to drop emit_upstart support  from our next upstream release because we no longer provide full upstream releases to Xenial 16.04. As far as I recall, 16.04 (xenial) was the last series which provided the ability to prefer upstart over the Ubuntu's default of systemd. Are there any other linux distributions that may still rely on upstart that folks are aware of?
[21:06]  * ahasenack isn't aware
[21:08] <blackboxsw> From poking around it looks like RHEL6 and old rawhide versions..... or Google's Chrome  OS. None of which are compatible with latest cloud-init anyway
[21:08] <blackboxsw> due to py2 py3 support being unavailable in tip of main.
[21:09] <sarnold> rhel/centos/etc was all I knew, I don't know which exact versions that was, but '6' was in my mind even before reading your next line :) https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/centos  suggests that ended a few years ago
[21:13] <ahasenack> rhel had upstart?
[21:14] <blackboxsw> +1 didn't want to unintentionally break anyone beyond ubuntu but figured generally we are way beyond ongoing support of upstart for most Linux-based distros. Will send it generally to cloud-init's mailinglist as well just to confirm.
[21:14] <blackboxsw> ahasenack: I think only for a short while as systemd was being developed. https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/6/html/migration_planning_guide/sect-networking-upstart
[21:14] <ahasenack> I had no idea anybody else ever adopted upstart
[21:14] <ahasenack> specially non-deb distros
[21:47] <patdk-lap> all my use of rhel6 for a customer and never remember using it on rhel6


[10:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
 Morning
[11:09] <BluesKaj> 'morning @Swift110
 How r u
[11:25] <BluesKaj> !u | @Swift110
 Ok sure
 How are you blueskaj
[11:37] <BluesKaj> fine here @Swift110, how about you?
[12:03] <Alabalistic> Test of konversation darkmode
[12:04] <Alabalistic> Test of konversation darkmode
[12:04] <diogenes_> test failed.
[12:05] <Alabalistic> we are geting there
[13:44] <oem> im supposed to ask for a registration code
[13:46] <BluesKaj> !register | oem
 I am great blueskaj
[15:00] <Alabalistic> яко жега
[15:13] <NoInternet> Hello
[15:13] <NoInternet> For some reason whenever I hover my mouse over Chromium it looks different
[15:16] <diogenes_> NoInternet, what looks different?
[15:17] <NoInternet> diogenes_: the cursor
[15:18] <diogenes_> NoInternet, what's the name of the cursor theme?
[15:18] <NoInternet> The default breeze cursor
[15:18] <NoInternet> This happend on Ubuntu, but only if I use a custom cursor theme
[15:18] <NoInternet> With the default cursor theme on Ubuntu, it only changes when I use Spotify
[15:20] <diogenes_> NoInternet, pastebin: ls ~/.icons
[15:21] <NoInternet> ls: cannot access '/home/ryan/.icons': No such file or directory
[15:22] <diogenes_> NoInternet, ok i see.
[15:25] <diogenes_> NoInternet, sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
[15:25] <diogenes_> what do you get?
[15:27] <NoInternet> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/76DytSNYQT/
[15:30] <diogenes_> NoInternet, weird and output of: ls /usr/share/icons
[15:30] <NoInternet> Adwaita  breeze  breeze_cursors  breeze-dark  Breeze_Snow  default  gnome  hicolor  Humanity  Humanity-Dark  locolor  LoginIcons  ubuntu-mono-dark  ubuntu-mono-light
[15:32] <diogenes_> try this: sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme x-cursor-theme /usr/share/icons/breeze_cursors/cursor.theme 100
[15:32] <diogenes_> then: sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
[15:33] <diogenes_> see if it's default.
[15:33] <NoInternet> update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/share/icons/breeze_cursors/cursor.theme doesn't exist
[15:34] <diogenes_> ls /usr/share/icons/breeze_cursors
[15:34] <NoInternet> output of ls /usr/share/icons/breeze_cursors/ is "cursors index.theme"
[15:36] <NoInternet> i might lag out any second
[15:36] <diogenes_> sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme x-cursor-theme /usr/share/icons/breeze_cursors/index.theme 100
[15:37] <NoInternet> done
[15:37] <NoInternet> and now its fixed
[15:37] <NoInternet> thanks!
[15:37] <diogenes_> ok you're welcome
[16:27] <cayman> здесь есть русские?
[16:29] <diogenes_> !ru | cayman
[22:31] <user|99600> i downloaded kubuntu to the first mac that came out the white one and i clicked on it and it says no mountable file system
[22:32] <user|99600> anybody no a fix ?
[22:33] <user|99600> i downloaded 18.04.4
[22:36] <user|99600> ello anyboy there
[22:44] <Babushkaboi> help
[23:18] <gunner603> no mountable system
[23:36] <tomreyn> no useful question
[23:40] <gunner603> lol
[23:42] <gunner603> so my mac is the old white version so i tried downloading this so i can go on safari. i finished the download and tried to open the app and it says
[23:42] <gunner603> no mountable file system
[23:43] <gunner603> do you know why i could be doing wrong do i need to download somthing else
[23:57] <tomreyn> gunner603: what is "this" that you downloaded and are trying to go on a safari with?
[23:57] <tomreyn> a jeep? a gun? a safari hat?
[23:57] <tomreyn> or are you trying to install kubuntu on an older mac?
[23:59] <gunner603> yes
[23:59] <gunner603> trying to install kubuntu on an older mac


[00:01] <Deeps> Hehe, from the Gobuntu wiki: "At this stage, we recognize that Gobuntu will work with relatively few laptops and desktops, because of the widespread use of binary-only firmware. Running Gobuntu on your laptop will be quite an achievement"
[00:02] <nealmcb> Deeps: sure there's a difference - canonical is the main sponsor of ubuntu, but ubuntu is an independent entity, with a community council etc.  Generally all working closely together, but e.g. note that the partner component is the only one that uses a repo at "canonical.com"
[00:02] <Deeps> Fair enough
[00:04] <Deeps> nealmcb: Does the indepedant entity of Ubuntu have it's own domain, or does it reside on the commercially trademarked domain provided by Canonical?
[00:05] <BadSneakers> for new users, webmin on ubuntu server is about the easiest thing to do, right ?
[00:05] <nealmcb> Deeps: well, I suspect ubuntu is a trademark of canonical
[00:05] <nealmcb> !webmin
[00:05] <Deeps> nealmcb: Heh, sorry if that sound like flambait
[00:05] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead.
[00:05] <Deeps> nealmcb: Indeed it is, see the footer of ubuntu.com
[00:05] <BadSneakers> !ebox
[00:05] <ubotu> ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See the plans for Hardy at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EboxSpec
[00:06] <BadSneakers> neat bot.  great answer.
[00:06] <nealmcb> :-)
[00:06] <nealmcb> BadSneakers: just try it with bug numbers or packages!
[00:07] <nealmcb> !info kvm
[00:07] <ubotu> kvm (source: kvm): Full virtualization on x86 hardware. In component main, is optional. Version 1:62+dfsg-0ubuntu7 (hardy), package size 691 kB, installed size 2324 kB
[00:07] <Deeps> I like how the bot lets you pipe output of !triggers to people too, smooth
[00:07] <nealmcb> FTW!!
[00:07] <nealmcb> !info munin
[00:07] <ubotu> munin (source: munin): network-wide graphing framework (grapher/gatherer). In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.5-2ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 588 kB, installed size 996 kB
[00:08] <Deeps> !info vmware
[00:08] <ubotu> Package vmware does not exist in hardy
[00:08] <Deeps> hehe
[00:08] <nealmcb> !find vmware
[00:08] <ubotu> Found: xserver-xorg-video-vmware
[00:08] <nealmcb> !info vbox
[00:08] <ubotu> Package vbox does not exist in hardy
[00:08] <nealmcb> !info virtualbox
[00:08] <ubotu> Package virtualbox does not exist in hardy
[00:09] <nealmcb> !find virtualbox
[00:09] <ubotu> Found: virtualbox-ose, virtualbox-ose-dbg, virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.24-16-386, virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.24-16-generic, virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.24-16-openvz (and 24 others)
[00:09] <Deeps> Urg, I probably need to upgrade to hardy at some point too.
[00:09] <nealmcb> !info virtualbox-ose
[00:09] <ubotu> virtualbox-ose (source: virtualbox-ose): x86 virtualization solution - binaries. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.6-dfsg-6ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 6216 kB, installed size 20176 kB
[00:09] <Deeps> That said, gutsy will be supported for another year, and that box'll have been rebuilt before then...
[00:12] <nealmcb> tlyng: so note that the "!info <package>" command in irc gets ubotu to tell us what component something is in
[00:33] <hsn_> !info db2exc
[00:33] <ubotu> Package db2exc does not exist in hardy
[00:41] <jords> How do you change your apt mirror in ubuntu server?
[00:41] <jords> archive.ubuntu.com is completely fried
[00:42] <flyback> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pk6s1MbszA&feature=related# <--- cool
[00:46] <nealmcb> jords: /etc/apt/sources.list - or via synaptic
[00:47] <nealmcb> man 5 sources.list
[00:51] <jords> Is there a list of mirrors somewhere?
[00:55] <jords> nvm found one
[01:00] <MatBoy> hi guys
[01:00] <MatBoy> itś still 7.10 today ?
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats 'it'?
[01:00] <MatBoy> the latest stable release
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> should be 8.04
[01:01] <MatBoy> ok
[01:01] <MatBoy> I will upgrade than
[01:01] <MatBoy> as I need to find a good howto to be sure :)
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> MatBoy, the wiki has upgrade instructions at (iirc) HardyUpgrade
[01:03] <MatBoy> Kamping_Kaiser, ok, great !
[01:03] <MatBoy> can I ask a bot here for it ?
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> MatBoy, sure.
[01:05] <MatBoy> Kamping_Kaiser, I'm not very familair with the bot here :)
[01:05] <MatBoy> !HardyUpgrade
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hardyupgrade - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <MatBoy> mhh
[01:05] <MatBoy> ok
[01:06] <MatBoy> ubotu, HardyUpgrade
[01:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hardyupgrade - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:06] <MatBoy> man
[01:07]  * Kamping_Kaiser finds the ubuntu wiki fairly irritating at times. found it though: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[01:07] <MatBoy> Kamping_Kaiser, thanks, so it wasn't me ?
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> MatBoy, i went and searched the wiki :)
[01:09] <MatBoy> Kamping_Kaiser, oeh, you are my friend today :) thanks :D
[01:09] <MatBoy> hehe, quite slow that upgrade... how come :P
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[01:10] <MatBoy> Kamping_Kaiser, in my opinion, most mirrors were already slow by default
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> MatBoy, cant really comment - i use my ISP's mirror whenever i do ubuntu stuff
[01:12] <MatBoy> Kamping_Kaiser, I need to setup a mirror
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> MatBoy, using debmirror its pretty easy.
[01:12] <MatBoy> Kamping_Kaiser, mhh, sounds nice
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> theres a proper mirror building script by debian, but i haent migrated to that yet
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> just a tic
[01:13] <MatBoy> okay
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64295/
[01:15] <MatBoy> looks nice ! thanks
[01:15] <jords> do-release-upgrade is'nt working for me, hangs on checking for a new ubuntu release. Netstat suggests that the problem is that lithium.ubuntu.com is dead.... any suggestions?
[01:15] <MatBoy> jords, try try try
[01:15] <MatBoy> I just got through after 3 times
[01:15] <jords> :D
[01:16] <MatBoy> download spead is horrible slow
[01:16] <jords> will do
[01:16] <MatBoy> I'm max at 54Kb/s
[01:16] <nealmcb> today is the peak of the action
[01:16] <MatBoy> now it holds
[01:16] <MatBoy> yes it is
[01:16] <nealmcb> you might want to use bittorrent to download a CD and upgrade using the CD
[01:16] <MatBoy> nealmcb, nah, one of my servers is in the DC
[01:17] <nealmcb> e.g. you could put it in your sources.list
[01:17] <MatBoy> I will go to sleep now :)
[01:17] <jords> Not going to work on a vps in another country :D
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> MatBoy, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror more up to date then mine ;)
[01:17] <MatBoy> It will upgrade and be done in an houir
[01:17] <MatBoy> hour
[01:17] <flyback> dloes ubuntu server lts 6.06 have any known issues with smp and/or vmware server
[01:17] <flyback> 2 of our blades took random shits
[01:18] <MatBoy> Kamping_Kaiser, it seems so.. never mind... good try !
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> flyback, not aware of smp errors. vmware server i dont know about though.
[01:18] <flyback> thx
[01:18] <MatBoy> flyback, why use LTS ?
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> MatBoy, some people like systems theat work
[01:18] <flyback> the blades have 2 serial, one front and one virtual/console going to redirect one of the blades that crashed kernel messages to the port a few days
[01:18] <flyback> and log it on a old laptop
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> MatBoy, i wrote the debmirror page (its been mangled since, but i did write the first few revisions)
[01:18] <flyback> hopefully see the kernel panic before it dies
[01:19] <MatBoy> Kamping_Kaiser, yes but I hope you migrate earlier than those 5 years :D
[01:19] <MatBoy> Kamping_Kaiser, ow.. sorry :)
[01:19] <flyback> matboy cause these are production
[01:19] <flyback> we don't want to change in the middle of shit
[01:19] <MatBoy> flyback, yes ? and so ?
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> MatBoy, why? buy a system, put on an OS, rep,alce in 4 years
[01:19] <MatBoy> Kamping_Kaiser, I say the same, no LTS for me
[01:19] <flyback> Mat
[01:19] <flyback> where I work
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> MatBoy, your call
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:20] <flyback> I can't even change a dead bagttery in a ups
[01:20] <flyback> wiothout a disaster recovery plan
[01:20] <flyback> even if the ups is hot swapable
[01:20] <MatBoy> flyback, bad infra than
[01:20] <MatBoy> or management :D
[01:20] <flyback> na I understand his thinking in the long term
[01:20] <MatBoy> when it's broken you don't even can rely on it
[01:20] <flyback> not always at the moment
[01:20] <flyback> he's had yrs of shit blow up in his face
[01:21] <flyback> even when the vendor swore on a stack of bibles "this won't break shit"
[01:21] <MatBoy> flyback, get better suppliers or people that know what they do
[01:21] <MatBoy> flyback, you should know better ;)
[01:21] <MatBoy> ok I'm off
[01:21] <MatBoy> sleep well
[01:22] <jords> Argh ubuntu really needs better systems for keeping things going when theres a major surge in traffic
[01:23] <MatBoy> jords, man, they are slow by default
[01:23] <MatBoy> all mirrors
[01:23] <MatBoy> cu
[01:23] <jords> still trying to get do-release-upgrade to check for the new ubuntu version
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> canonicals datacentre is always low on bandwidth. its compounded by release time
[01:24] <jords> yep
[01:26] <flyback> canuckboy
[01:26] <flyback> it doesn't matter
[01:26] <flyback> you could have GOd certified hw
[01:26] <flyback> ok well if it was God cert it would never break
[01:26] <flyback> but anywyas we don't take the chance
[01:26] <flyback> ever
[01:30]  * flyback bbl, nature calls
[01:31]  * wubrgamer is away: I'm Away, Send me a PM
[01:33] <jords> yay downloading updates from a mirror at 4000kb/s now :d
[01:40]  * flyback looks like he has malaria right now because his allergies have made his eyes and area around them so red
[01:45] <BadSneakers> Setting up a file server with 3 drives, I installed ubuntu server in small / and /home partitions on a drive, and set the rest of the drive to mount as /data1 then the 2nd drive is mounted as /data2 and the 3rd is mounted as /data3   How wrong is that ?
[01:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ...?
[02:00] <nealmcb> BadSneakers: well, if you're looking for alternatives, lsb recommends putting stuff under /srv (e.g. /srv/data[123]), and so that may be clearer for folks and better supported by some tools.
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Download all files that we need to get (34685 MiB).
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> cricky :|
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought LSB said /media (i use /mount myself)
[02:01] <nealmcb> oops - fsh - http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
[02:02] <nealmcb>  /media : Mount point for removeable media
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought fhs said /mnt. perhaps only network goes there
[02:03]  * Kamping_Kaiser will switch his mounts to /srv
[02:03] <nealmcb>  /mnt : Mount point for a temporarily mounted filesystem
[02:12] <BadSneakers> nealmcb  yeah. I see thats correct now.
[02:12] <nealmcb> BadSneakers: I don't think it is a strict rule, but it may help
[02:13] <nealmcb> and it is nice for tools to be able to correctly intuit how to deal with paths
[02:35] <derspankster> I want to set up a home server using Ubuntu and need a good tutorial on server command line.
[02:37] <nealmcb> nice - the jeos iso is down to 99 MB, from 151
[02:38] <nealmcb> (hardy vs gutsy)
[02:38] <simmerz> nealmcb: the jeos can be installed in a normal xen virtual machine, right?
[02:39] <nealmcb> !shell | derspankster
[02:39] <ubotu> derspankster: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[02:39] <nealmcb> simmerz: I would think so
[02:40] <simmerz> ok
[02:41] <nealmcb> derspankster: seems that that is targetted to desktop users, but some of the references may be helpful
[02:42] <derspankster> nealmcb: so you're suggesting installing the desktop environment?
[02:42] <simmerz> derspankster: you're best off buying one of the many books out there about linux server admin
[02:42] <nealmcb> no - just pointing out that that tutorial assumes you have one - you can ignore that part
[02:43] <nealmcb> I learned this stuff way too long ago to know how to learn it now :-)
[02:44]  * simmerz too
[02:44] <derspankster> nealmcb:  my first computer experience was in DOS many years ago. I've forgotten most of that and I know the syntax is different as well. I've used Ubuntu as a desktop for about two years now.
[02:44] <nealmcb> cool
[02:44] <simmerz> derspankster: I stole a book off a friend of mine to start with. Think it was one of the o'reilly ones years ago.
[02:44] <nealmcb> another possibility is !ebox
[02:44] <nealmcb> !ebox
[02:44] <ubotu> ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See the plans for Hardy at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EboxSpec
[02:45] <simmerz> ooo, a replacement for cPanel et al
[02:46] <derspankster> I have 5 computers networked. 2 ubuntu, 2 XP and a Mac. Decided I wanted a dedicated server.
[02:46] <simmerz> understandable. I have a server at home that runs my svn install, and a few other bits
[02:47] <nealmcb> derspankster: yeah - need ubuntu to win the vote there :-)
[02:47] <derspankster> I need to be able to create directories, change permissions, assign a static IP address, etc, etc.
[02:48] <derspankster> Want a headless system that I can administer from another Ubuntu machine - SSH?
[02:48] <simmerz> create directories: mkdir <name of dir>. look at: man mkdir
[02:48] <simmerz> derspankster: you got it
[02:48] <derspankster> does SSH need to be installed on both machines?
[02:49] <simmerz> yep. one needs the server and one the client. the client is automatically installed on ubuntu machines
[02:49] <simmerz> so install openssh-server
[02:49] <derspankster> I need to get a book, I'm a fish out of water!
[02:49] <simmerz> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html might help a little
[02:49] <simmerz> to start with
[02:51] <simmerz> if you need help with a command and you know what the command is, you can use: man <command> in a virtual terminal
[02:51] <derspankster> simmerz: thanks, I've bookmarked that one.  I always have struggled with samba as well. I've been using my Ubuntu desktop as a media server for awhile.
[02:51] <simmerz> samba can be tricky
[02:51] <derspankster> no doubt
[02:52] <simmerz> the thing you'll probably be failing on with it is that winxp asks for a username and password but yours don't work...?
[02:52] <derspankster> No, got past that. Even my Mac is part of the network
[02:53] <simmerz> cool
[02:53] <simmerz> you'll be fine once you get to grips with the way the filesystem of linux fits together
[02:53] <simmerz> once you've got the basics, you'll start joining commands together to make complex mini-scripts.
[02:54] <derspankster> I've built a small box with a Athlon XP CPU and 512 MB of ram and a couple of HD's
[02:54] <simmerz> anyhow, I need to sleep!
[02:55] <derspankster> simmerz: I won't keep you, I thank you for your suggestions
[02:55] <simmerz> no probs. nearly 3am here...
[02:56] <derspankster> I can't stay up that late - too old!
[02:56] <simmerz> my advice: keep asking questions. no matter how stupid you think they might be
[02:56] <derspankster> Well, that's never stopped me before
[02:56] <derspankster> Is this channel pretty active? Never been here before
[02:57] <simmerz> and there are a whole host of channels in IRC that are there for that purpose
[02:57] <simmerz> yep, normally is
[02:58] <simmerz> #ubuntu-server might be useful to you as well
[02:58] <derspankster> I thought that's what this is??
[02:58] <simmerz> oh yeah
[02:58] <simmerz> doh
[02:58] <simmerz> I thought I was in #ubuntu for some reason
[02:59] <derspankster> you'd better get to bed!
[02:59] <simmerz> this is less active than #ubuntu, but still active enough
[02:59] <simmerz> night. good luck
[02:59] <derspankster> #ubuntu is all "this won't work, that won't work" right now
[03:00] <simmerz> lol. heron's just been released....
[03:00] <derspankster> yes
[03:01] <simmerz> I'll let the humdrum die down before I upgrade. got a couple of dapper -> heron server upgrades to do as well now that we have a new LTS
[03:01] <nealmcb> this is probably a better link for eBox: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox
[03:02] <derspankster> I'm running Hardy on this laptop, got the beta and just upgraded my way to final
[03:02] <derspankster> thanks for the link
[03:03] <nealmcb> it should help with samba - but we won't know until folks like you try it out :-)
[03:03] <simmerz> definitely off now. take care
[03:03] <derspankster> you too - goodbye
[03:03] <nealmcb> simmerz: thanks
[03:03] <simmerz> np
[03:05] <derspankster> nealmcb: I appreciate your input as well
[03:05] <nealmcb> :-)
[03:05] <nealmcb> good luck!
[03:06] <derspankster> oh, I'll get there, will get frustrated as hell, but I'll make it
[03:09] <jords> I'm having a iptables issue. I'm getting blocked traffic logged like this: Apr 25 02:07:28 preturns kernel: iptables denied: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=40:40:43:cf:8f:f0:00:18:8b:f9:70:0c:08:00 SRC=<IP_ADDRESS> DST=<IP_ADDRESS> LEN=93 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=47 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=6881 DPT=51413 LEN=73 which I want to let through. My iptables -L output: http://pastebin.com/f48775602
[03:26] <BadSneakers> i didn't get all of ebox and by the time I realized it and figured out what I needed to do, the servers are borked
[03:27] <BadSneakers> but from what I read, it is now all in universe
[03:43] <nealmcb> BadSneakers: yes - universe at this point
[03:43] <nealmcb> !info ebox
[03:43] <ubotu> ebox (source: ebox): the eBox platform - Base framework. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.99-0ubuntu11 (hardy), package size 293 kB, installed size 2324 kB
[03:45] <Mythril> I am having trouble getting subversion set up, are there any good tutorials out there (the ones I have googled are horrible)
[04:13] <compaqr4000>  I'm trying to run open office calc via ssh and I get the following on one of my machines: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin X11 error: Can't open display:  Any ideas why this is?  It works fine on another machine.
[04:53] <sanmarcos> so anybody updated from 6.06 LTS to 8.04 LTS and like to share an experience?
[05:45] <jay2> brbiab
[07:53] <_ruben> 2 cluster nodes reinstalled .. one gutsy, one hardy ..
[09:07] <tengulre> hi,all
[09:07] <tengulre> why I got could not install grub in my box when setup ubuntu8 server ?(Vmware)
[09:14] <_ruben> tengulre: dunno, i am in the progress of an hardy jeos install under vmware esx now though
[09:15] <_ruben> crap .. gotta do a server install as well .. since it'll be a build env for my server installs :p
[09:19] <_ruben> initiating hardy server install
[09:25] <_ruben> tengulre: grub works like charm over here in my vmware guest
[09:25] <_ruben> tengulre: did you use any special options (in both vmware and in the ubuntu installer)
[09:30] <_ruben> guess he didnt want to be helped after all
[09:31] <Deeps> hehe
[09:40] <Zorg95> ok, but i could use some apt-related help :-) i would like to grab kernel from older distribution to hardy (for xen), no install, just download (and probably unpack)... i think that the best way how to do this would be apt in order to keep getting security fixes for that older kernel
[09:41] <Zorg95> by unpack i mean copy files to right locations but without touching grub
[10:18] <stefg> Hi, I'm trying to install hardy to our companys brandnew server. Im planning to set up a raid 10 array for some virtual machines and a raid 5 array for general storage. The installer doesn't show me an option for raid 10 (although i know that mdadm can do that). does that mean i have to set up a nested raid 1 + 0?
[10:24] <_ruben> stefg: you could open up another virtual console during the partitioner .. and set up the raid10 manually using raid10 .. i did that recently
[10:24] <gaouzief> hi people
[10:25] <gaouzief> trying to install 8.04 server on a machine with lsi megaraid SAS
[10:25] <stefg> _ruben: ok... so it's not me being stupid, but a limitation of the installer
[10:25] <gaouzief> ubuntu installer can't detect hard drives
[10:26] <gaouzief> tried megaraid* drivers in the list
[10:26] <ivoks> huh?
[10:26] <gaouzief> not working
[10:26] <gaouzief> any clue?
[10:26] <ivoks> gaouzief: this is odd, since that's very common and supported hardware
[10:26] <_ruben> gaouzief: which ubuntu version, and what kind of hardware ?
[10:27] <gaouzief> latest ubuntu server 64bit
[10:27] <_ruben> stefg: correct
[10:27] <ivoks> gaouzief: any errors in dmesg output?
[10:27] <gaouzief> hardware: xeon server with 4 SAS hardrives and lsi megaraid 256 SAS controller
[10:28] <gaouzief> no errors
[10:28] <_ruben> and lspci ?
[10:28] <gaouzief> it just says, no hardrives detected, please selet a driver (list)
[10:28] <ivoks> gaouzief: dmesg output - alt+f2, enter, dmesg
[10:28] <gaouzief> i tried allthe megaraid* ones
[10:29] <gaouzief> ok just a second
[10:30] <gaouzief> nope, nothing specific to ghard drives
[10:31] <ivoks> did you setup raid?
[10:32] <gaouzief> in bios, ATA set to RAID
[10:32] <ivoks> lsi raid controllers aren't controled trough computer's bios
[10:33] <ivoks> it has it's own raid
[10:33] <gaouzief> how d y access that
[10:33] <ivoks> while booting, it displays info how to access it
[10:34] <ivoks> usually it's after the bios and before the system
[10:35] <gaouzief> no message what so ever
[10:35] <gaouzief> bios -> tries to do a dhcp boot -> os
[10:36] <ivoks> there must be some way to configure raid logic disks
[10:36] <ivoks> if there's nothing like that, you don't have raid controller
[10:37] <gaouzief> it's there
[10:37] <ivoks> on-board 'raid' controllers are not raid controllers
[10:37] <gaouzief> no no this a hardware controller
[10:37] <gaouzief> lsi megaraid 256
[10:38] <ivoks> well, if it's working it will surely offer you to set it up
[10:38] <ivoks> http://www.lsi.com/documentation/storage/systems/management_software/MRMgmtSuite.pdf
[10:39] <ivoks> ups... wrong link
[10:40] <ivoks> ctrl+h
[10:40] <ivoks> 'When the message Press <Ctrl><H> for WebBIOS appears on the screen, immediately press CTRL+H to run this utility.'
[10:40] <gaouzief> it saiy bios settings F2
[10:40] <ivoks> http://www.lsi.com/files/docs/techdocs/storage_stand_prod/sas/mr_sas_8888ELP_qig.pdf
[10:45] <ivoks> any luck?
[10:48] <IsotropicSpin> hey total n00b here. How do i change the remote desktop setting on my server to allow remote destop through the SSL terminal?
[10:48] <ivoks> there is no remote desktop on server
[10:49] <IsotropicSpin> poo. is it possible to install it using the terminal? I just think it would be rad to open it up and edit the site with my mouse
[10:49] <IsotropicSpin> is it because there is no GNOME?
[10:49] <ivoks> graphical interface isn't supported on ubuntu-server
[10:50] <IsotropicSpin> ok
[10:50] <ivoks> you can install it, but then it's not server anymore :) it's desktop or workstation
[10:50] <IsotropicSpin> hehe
[10:53] <gaouzief> sorry, connection was down
[10:53] <gaouzief> ok i'll try th ctrl+h now
[10:55] <gaouzief> no message, but ctrl+h braught out the interface, thanks
[11:28] <kraut> re
[11:28] <kraut> http://geekosphere.org/wp-content/ubuntu_released.png
[12:01] <_ruben> kraut :P
[12:42] <rhineheart_m> hello.. anybody here who have tried heron in server environment?
[12:42] <rhineheart_m> Please tell me an update how it works... thanks..
[12:49] <mok0> rhineheart_m: it works great
[12:50] <mok0> rhineheart_m: several people have announce on Ubuntu Planet that updates run completely smooth
[12:51] <mok0> s/announce/announced
[12:53] <rhineheart_m> uhuh... is gutsy be easily upgraded to heron?
[12:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> is gutsy 7.10? if so then yes , "easily"
[12:55] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser, can you help me with it?
[12:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, no.
[12:56] <Nafallo> !update-manager
[12:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about update-manager - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:56] <rhineheart_m> hehe...can you give me a link for instructions instead?
[12:56] <Nafallo> damn boot
[12:56] <Nafallo> bot
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> *g*
[12:57] <Nafallo> rhineheart_m: you're on a server ey?
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[12:57] <Nafallo> rhineheart_m: install update-manager-core and do do-release-upgrade
[12:57] <rhineheart_m> yeah.. server
[12:58] <rhineheart_m> can't it break my present live site and its configurations?
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubotu, hardy is hi ops, also also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades for upgrades.
[12:58] <Nafallo> break as in shut down temporarily :-)
[12:58]  * Kamping_Kaiser will get a lart for using the bot as a relay probably
[12:58] <Nafallo> can't see a reason it would break your conf.
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> depends what changes and how
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> i expect anything using pam-ldap will break for example
[13:00] <rhineheart_m> this one: sudo aptitude install update-manager-core and this: sudo do-release-upgrade ?
[13:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes.
[13:02] <rhineheart_m> will apache2 will be upgraded too?
[13:02]  * Kamping_Kaiser wonders if that question is silly to anyone but him.
[13:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> if theres a newer version, it will be updated
[13:03] <rhineheart_m> lastly.. my sites will not be affected after the upgrade?
[13:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> depends what the sites are in, and what gets upgraded
[13:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> no one will make blanket promices about the working of your sites after upgrade
[13:05] <rhineheart_m> just a drupal site... and other php stuff
[13:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats not "just"
[13:07] <rhineheart_m> okay.. I'm accessing the box through ssh.. and it says it is not recommended to do upgrade via ssh.. ows
[13:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> because if te link drops you could be in trouble
[13:08] <rhineheart_m> as in I the box will not run anymore?
[13:08] <Deeps> -away
[13:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> pardon?
[13:09] <rhineheart_m> as in the box will not run anymore?
[13:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> it might not. thats what you risk when you update
[13:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> unless i misunderstand you still
[13:11] <rhineheart_m> okay.. I will remain in gutsy.. unless you will tell me that server will run smoothly and better in heron than gutsy
[13:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> i wouldnt upgrade for a few weeks
[13:13] <rhineheart_m> okay.. sounds like you are suggesting me to do it by june.. correct?
[13:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> nope. i'm suggesting you dont do it in april
[13:16] <ScottK> rhineheart_m: I would suggest that you have a test server.
[13:17] <ScottK> It is impossible to upgrade with absolutely zero downtime as at the very least you have to reboot for the new kernel and so you are down for however long it takes to reboot at a minimum.
[13:18] <rhineheart_m> is the new kernel better than in gutsy ScottK ?
[13:19] <ScottK> It's really irrelevant.  You have to either upgrade or not.  Picking bits of the system to upgrade isn't a good plan.
[13:20] <ScottK> It depends on your hardware.  I have a laptop that had acpi problems on Gutsy that's fine on Hardy, so for that machine, definitely yes.
[13:20] <ScottK> Independent of the should you upgrade question (which only you can truly answer), you really ought to have a test system to test stuff out on before going live.
[13:21] <ScottK> If you had such a thing, then you'd be able to test upgrading and see how it affects your particular setup.
[13:21] <ScottK> If you'd hired me to figure out if you should upgrade, that's how I'd figure it out.
[13:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, expecting #debian people to know ubuntu well enough to make comparisions (or to say in #debian to use ubuntu for that matter) is a fairly silly thing to do.
[13:34] <_ruben> hmm .. bondX devices cant be renamed like 'raw' ethX ones right?
[14:28] <nijaba> nealmcb: around?
[14:50] <slicslak> i need a cli tool to edit audio, specifically mp3s.  i basically just need to recode them to different sample rates.  can someone reccomend something?  something like image magick but for audio?
[15:26] <_ruben> hmm .. i think my hardy install crashed after sending 50k emails to it .. well .. quite some time after i did that actually
[15:33] <_ruben> hmm .. for some reason there were still dhclient3 instances running even though i had changed config from dhcp to static
[15:34] <_ruben> nasty
[15:51] <slicslak> bah, of course lame can be run on the cli.
[15:51]  * slicslak needs more coffee
[16:10]  * delcoyote hi
[16:48] <gonzzor> Isn't sudo apt-get install gnome supposed to install X11 + Gnome on a fresh installation of Ubuntu Server?
[16:57] <JaxxMaxx_> it should go out and get the "gnome" package and all dependancies, yes.  try  using   sudo aptitude   for a more detailed package manager
[17:00] <gonzzor> Tried both put it complains about fam and gamin.
[17:00] <gonzzor> and gnome-desktop-evnironment
[17:01] <soren> _ruben: If you have dhcp in your interfaces file, do an ifup, change the interfaces file, and do an ifdown, ifdown has *no* clue that it used to a dhcp managed interface.
[17:02] <soren> _ruben: It only knows to kill the dhclient on ifdown if the interfaces file says that it's a dhcp interface.
[17:11] <pvandewyngaerde> i just booted ubuntu-8.04-server-i386.iso   but i cannot load the cli or cli-expert kernel
[17:11] <pvandewyngaerde> could not find kernel
[17:14] <pvandewyngaerde> hmm, in Virtual machne after installation grub cannot find the kernel
[17:26] <mathiaz> kirkland: have you looked at http://ch.tudelft.nl/~arthur/nss-ldapd/ ?
[17:27] <kirkland> mathiaz: i have not
[17:27] <kirkland> mathiaz: interesting
[17:28] <mathiaz> kirkland: I already came accross this project last november when I was preparing UDS Boston
[17:29] <mathiaz> kirkland: it seems that it's a good alternative to libnss_ldap
[17:29] <kirkland> mathiaz: are any other distros shipping it?
[17:29] <kirkland> mathiaz: have we heard from any of our users asking for it?
[17:29] <mathiaz> kirkland: nope - just looking around now
[17:30] <mathiaz> kirkland: I know there are some issues with libnss_ldap
[17:30] <kirkland> mathiaz: hmm, more than the bug we fixed earlier this week?
[17:30] <mathiaz> kirkland: I just find the fork interesting - not saying we should replace libnss_ldap now
[17:31] <mathiaz> kirkland: we should keep an eye on it I think
[17:31] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay, sounds good
[17:31] <kirkland> mathiaz: perhaps package it in universe?
[17:31] <mathiaz> kirkland: it's already there
[17:31] <kirkland> mathiaz: ah
[17:56] <melinate_> hi folks, can anyone help me recover an accidentally deleted folder?
[18:18] <nealmcb> melinate_: how was it deleted?  if you deleted it from a gui, you might get better help in #ubuntu - or look in ~/.Trash/
[18:20] <melinate_> nealmcb: this is a server, no GUI... it was removed by hitting "F8" in mc...which I assume is equivalent to "rm -fr"
[18:20] <nealmcb> melinate_: ahh - "folder" vs "directory" made me think of guis
[18:21] <nealmcb> I"ve seen some recovery tools in the past, but seem to recall they really liked to be set up in advance....
[18:21] <melinate_> nealmcb: sorry... bad habit ;)
[18:23] <melinate_> nealmcb:  I'm more of a programmer than a systems guy... you know the command to see what type file system this volume is?
[18:26] <nealmcb> !ebox
[18:26] <ubotu> ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox
[18:26] <nealmcb> (updated....)
[18:38] <nealmcb> melinate_: "mount"
[18:40] <melinate_> nealmcb: thanks
[18:54] <JaxxMaxx_> Where would MySQL-5 keep its log files?  trying to troubleshoot a module that uses mysql
[18:57] <nealmcb> JaxxMaxx_: postgres puts them under /var/log ....
[19:06] <_ruben> soren: i figured it'd be something like that .. ifup *could* be a bit more smart and check for runnign dhclient's for any interface its about to configure for static ip
[19:16] <tlyng> is there any small utility for getting the last entries from any log files? for example: cat /var/log/somelog | somemagicutility -no_messages_older_than_one_hour
[19:18] <nealmcb> tlyng: well, there is "tail filename"
[19:19] <tlyng> nealmcb: Can tail work on time data? =)
[19:19] <nealmcb> tail | grep
[19:20] <tlyng> nealmcb: tail isn't the correct utility for me, but I'll create a script myself. I'm having a lot of loggin attempts via ssh, will feed it to munin so I can get some statistics from it.
[19:21] <tlyng> attempts per hour
[19:34] <elventear> Anyone using Xen?
[19:35] <melinate_> elventear: I have an ubuntu virtual server running on a Xen host
[19:36] <elventear> melinate_: What version of Ubuntu, btw? I am trying to run a virtual server of Ubuntu 8.04 and I am having problems with networking
[19:36] <elventear> some guys in the #xen channel say that Hardy is broken
[19:37] <melinate_> 7.10, I haven't upgraded it
[19:38] <melinate_> elventear: seems odd that Hardy would be broken considering there is a Hardy version of Ubuntu JeOS (which I'm in the process of setting up on a VMware server)
[19:39] <elventear> Not the networking in general. Just related to Xen
[19:40] <JaxxMaxx_> Proper syntax for restarting a daemon  using /etc/init.d scripts?
[20:33] <JaxxMaxx_> what's the proper  chmod   to allow users outside the owning group to  read a file?
[20:33] <infinity> o+r
[20:33] <infinity> o+rx, if it's a directory.
[21:09]  * faulkes- sips his afternoon scotch
[21:10] <nealmcb> nijaba: ping
[21:14] <nealmcb> nijaba:  looks cool, but I'm thinking the old todo comment and LANG=C override need to go also:  egrep 'LANG|locale'  /usr/bin/ubuntu-vm-builder
[21:28] <elventear> I updated the Kernel and Headers to a deb package that has been posted for testing in Launchpad. This corrected a bug in Xen. But now when I run apt-get it tries to install linux-headers back and it fails.
[21:28] <elventear> Should I just install those headers back?
[21:29] <elventear> I had to use dpkg -f -i to install the headers, because it ididn't let me overwrite them although they were the same version
[21:56] <Derspankster> Somebody congratulate me. I got my Hardy server up an running. Loading it up with files right now. Thanks for some good help on this channel.
[21:58] <keymoo> well done
[21:58] <keymoo> i'm upgrading my gutsy server right now
[21:58] <ivoks> well, i can confirm
[21:59] <ivoks> update of a node in redhat cluster, running on gutsy, to hardy
[21:59] <Derspankster> keymoo: thanks. For me it was a struggle, never having built a server before. Started yesterday with the hardware and I'm running today.
[21:59] <Nafallo> I'm afraid to upgrade my server without physical access :-)
[21:59] <ivoks> is done in less than 10 minutes and works perfecty :)
[21:59] <ivoks> Nafallo: i just did it :D
[21:59] <Nafallo> ivoks: do you get your Internet through quagga? ;-)
[21:59] <ivoks> no
[22:00] <Nafallo> ivoks: there we go then :-)
[22:00] <ivoks> but i did upgrade while connected to vodafone mobile :)
[22:00] <Nafallo> upgrades might stop quagga, which then takes down the whole Internet connection :-P
[22:00] <keymoo> i'm upgrading mine though ssh
[22:15] <Vlet> Anyone know how to have samba auth against pam or kerberos instead of samba's built-in password db?
[22:16] <lifesf> Hello; i was wondering if anyone could help me on this issue: i have a fresh install of ubuntu-server hardy heron and [sudo apt-get ubuntu-desktop] does not work
[22:17] <lifesf> it says: invalid operation
[22:18] <lifesf> invalid operation ubuntu desktop
[22:20] <lifesf> omg i'm sorry for the stupid question i had not used it in a long time and i managed...
[22:21] <Vlet> lifesf: you need to tell apt-get what to do :)
[22:22] <Vlet> lifesf: you want: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[22:22] <Vlet> but why install the desktop if you're running a server!? ;)
[22:22] <Vlet> lifesf: oh, oops - had my window scrolled up - didn't see that you had caught your own error
[22:23] <lifesf> lol
[22:24] <lifesf> well... i'm running the desktop because i want all the server stuff to work properly but i am still learning and i do not necessarily know what most things are and i have messed up a lot of things everytime i tried running only server so now i use the desktop also
[22:25] <lifesf> to configure ftp etc because i have not been able to find a good program to control and use the server through a webpage like control panel
[22:26] <jiqiren> when will https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/server/C/ exist? This is a dead link from http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/documentation
[22:37] <_manny> Hi all :)
[22:44] <dra1> Hello everyone, I just upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04,  and now I have no sound what so ever, ive read around the forums and have found it to be a popular problem, but still cant find any way to resolve the issue, anyone here have some advice?
[22:46] <Derspankster> dra1: actually this is the ubuntu-server channel. Have you asked on #ubuntu?
[22:46] <dra1> Woops, sorry about that, I just read the broadcast there, no i havent but i will
[22:47] <Derspankster> dra1: you likely will have better luck there
[22:47] <dra1> thanks
[22:50] <_manny> Has anyone successfully compiled Apache 1.3.41 into Ubuntu Server 7.10?


[13:58] <astraljava> I could give it a spin soon.
[14:01] <zequence> astraljava: Already marked ready and probably published
[14:02] <zequence> A bit early this time around
[16:10] <zequence> Ok, another release is out. Now begins my last development cycle, and my last chance to make something good happen :)
[16:10] <zequence> Well, as project lead, anyway
[20:43] <astraljava> Heheh, well, congrats are in order, then. :) And here's to the last hurrah. :D May it be most successful. :)
[20:46] <zequence> I'm sure this cycle will either be great, or not. And, that's as best as I can put it.
[20:47] <zequence> I'm happy there are more people involved this time around, anyway
[20:47] <zequence> Hopefully more will join. I'm going to make some effort for that in the coming weeks. Try to gather folks
[21:15] <astraljava> Sounds good. I can't make any promises. Each time it seems I might have more time, things occur that reduce it into even less. Now it seems I will be very distracted, which can also mean either way. :D


[03:14] <Bearshare> Hello, I need some support
[03:14] <Bearshare> I am banned and silenced in a few rooms, but I have changed my ways, and would like to know how to get back into them.
[03:16] <Pici> Bearshare: What channel were you banned in?
[03:17] <Bearshare> #Ubuntu-offtopic, ##mac
[03:17] <Bearshare> I think that is it
[03:18] <Pici> We don't have anything to do with non Ubuntu channels here.
[03:20] <Bearshare> what about ubuntu-offtopic
[03:21] <Pici> I don't feel comfortable unbanning you at this time, you seem to have quite a history here.
[03:22] <Bearshare> what kind of a history?
[03:22] <Bearshare> what does it say about me
[03:23] <Pici> You were just here 3 days ago to ask the same thing.
[03:23] <Bearshare> No 3 days ago I was Klined
[03:24] <Pici> 2009-08-15T08:37:54 <Bearshare> what were the reasons for the bam
[03:24] <Pici> That was here.
[03:24] <Bearshare> thats incorrect
[03:24] <Bearshare> I was busy serving my 4th ban
[03:24] <Bearshare> kline
[03:26] <Pici> Thats not too encouraging.
[03:27] <Bearshare> i know
[03:28] <Bearshare> ive changed my ways, and besides I am innocent
[03:28] <stew> Bearshare: innocent of what?
[03:28] <Bearshare> uh
[03:29] <Bearshare> g2g
[03:29] <Bearshare> cya
[03:29] <Pici> so long
[03:29] <Pici> @mark bearshare
[03:29] <stew> oops i scared him off
[03:29] <Pici> 'oops'
[03:35] <MsMaco> how does this bantracker thingy work?
[03:35] <MsMaco> am i allowed to see it, or do i have to be a full-scale ubuntu irc op?
[03:36] <bazhang> MsMaco, you should be able to no problem
[03:36] <bazhang> just @login then @btlogin (best to via PM with ubottu)
[03:37] <MsMaco> then what?
[03:37] <MsMaco> how can i see, for example, if someone's go any bans?
[03:37] <MsMaco> s/go/got/
[03:37] <bazhang> try it, its pretty self-evident
[03:37] <MsMaco> try what?
[03:37] <Pici> bazhang: er.. she needs to be a member of the IRC Team on launchpad to be able to do that, or have the rights granted explicitly on ubottu.
[03:38] <bazhang> there is also @bansearch nick (also preferably via PM with ubottu, but that only works if he/she is online)
[03:38] <MsMaco> k yeah nothing happens. i lack permission
[03:38] <bazhang> Pici, is that so? there are plenty who are still waiting approval, yet have full access in many channels as well as the btracker
[03:39] <bazhang> Pici, only the rights to ubottu are necessary.
[03:39] <Pici> bazhang: Because they've been granted rights explicitly on the bot.  Otherwise what would stop random users from accessing the bt?
[03:39] <bazhang> Pici, correct. but launchpad approval is not a factor here.
[03:40] <MsMaco> this would the part where pici said " or have the rights granted explicitly on ubottu."
[03:40] <Pici> bazhang: there was an 'or' in my original statement.
[03:41] <Pici> MsMaco: I'll poke the rest of the IRCC about getting you access to the bantracker, I don't think it should be a problem.
[03:41] <MsMaco> ok cool. thanks
[04:07] <MsMaco> lulzhuntrar is the fiend
[04:08] <bazhang> yep removed and auto-banned by floodbot
[04:08] <bazhang> well the auto-ban part at least
[04:08] <MsMaco> how did floodbot know it was a sploit?
[04:10] <Pici> MsMaco: Certain strings seem to trigger some routers and firewall software to drop their connections when sent over port 6667.  It was protection against some virus/malware at some point in time, but now people just exploit that.
[04:10] <Pici> !dccexploit
[04:10] <Pici> !exploit
[04:11] <MsMaco> well yeah thats why i use 8001
[04:11] <MsMaco> but i didnt know the commands were obvious enough for floodbot to match them
[04:12] <Pici> It needs to contain a certain string and be over a certain length
[04:16] <MsMaco> i see
[04:39] <nalioth> MsMaco: yes, it's a known string
[04:43] <MsMaco> ok
[06:01] <Flannel> Bilok...
[06:01] <jussi01> was bearshare's ban lifted?
[06:02] <Flannel> looking
[06:02] <jussi01> stew: you around?
[06:02] <nalioth> bloke just got off the train, too
[06:02] <jussi01> nalioth: yeah, thats what I thought
[06:30] <Myrtti> urgh
[06:39] <evilbug> hey nalioth.
[06:39] <evilbug> apparently i can't joined #ubuntu due to dcc issues and i've gone throught the fix. help please.
[06:40] <Flannel> evilbug: You don't seem to be banned
[06:40] <Flannel> let me check the list itself
[06:40] <evilbug> Flannel: i did "test me" and the bot still says it is not able to.
[06:40] <tsimpson> evilbug: you're already unbanned
[06:40] <Flannel> right, bots don't see you as banned.
[06:41] <tsimpson> [06:37:05]* FloodBot3 removes ban on evilbug!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic
[06:41] <evilbug> there we go. thank you.
[06:49] <Amaranth> wtf, is Amaranth_ banned from here?
[06:49] <tsimpson>  Mon Aug  3 18:34:04 *!*@ubuntu/member/Amaranth!##fix_your_connection<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:50] <Amaranth> how rude
[06:50] <Flannel> Amaranth: That was back when you were "enjoying" your router
[06:51] <Amaranth> Wonder why I've never noticed it before now though
[06:51] <Flannel> You always join unidentified, so uncloaked.
[06:52] <Amaranth> hrm, my other client uses a server password, this one just does it after connecting sometime
[07:02] <jussi01> guys, please check and remove any bans you have here and elsewhere - remember, bans are not meant to be permanent.
[07:02] <Flannel> jussi01: I don't know... I think you're being a bit hasty with that ban removal.
[07:02] <Myrtti> yeah, I agree
[07:02] <jussi01> haha
[07:02] <Flannel> I mean, look at how often he's ban evaded in the meantime!
[07:03] <jussi01> Flannel: rofl
[08:55] <Bearshare> help me
[08:56] <Flannel> Bearshare: With what?
[08:56] <Bearshare> getting unbanned and unsilenced
[08:56] <Myrtti> why would we?
[08:57] <Bearshare> in many a room
[08:57] <Flannel> Bearshare: You need to help yourself do that.
[08:57] <Bearshare> I cant, I dont have the power
[08:57] <nalioth> Bearshare: sure you do.
[08:57] <Bearshare> How, I'm not an op
[08:57] <Bearshare> HELLO
[08:58] <Flannel> Bearshare: He means fixing your behavior.
[08:58] <nalioth> Bearshare: it starts with the man in the mirror
[08:59] <Bearshare> I have, gentlemen, I should have passed my probation
[08:59] <Myrtti> like you did couple hours ago?
[08:59] <Myrtti> in #ubuntu?
[09:00] <Bearshare> yup
[09:00] <Myrtti> I'd put that in my books as failure
[09:00] <Bearshare> what did I do there
[09:00] <Bearshare> Failure to?
[09:00] <Myrtti> pass the probation
[09:01] <Myrtti> 08:00] < Bearshare> go slosh around some semen in your mouth, losher
[09:01] <Bearshare> He had started it before
[09:01] <Bearshare> I asked for help and he picked the fight with me
[09:01] <Myrtti> and you decided it was ok for you to continue?
[09:02] <Bearshare> i was beeing provoked, fellas
[09:02] <Myrtti> wrongdoings of others do not justify yours
[09:02] <Myrtti> if someone is being stupid, it's your job to surpass that and be smart
[09:02] <Myrtti> and you have failed
[09:03] <Bearshare> Ok well if I am so bad and fail so often I'd like some evidence
[09:03] <Myrtti> and I'm not even saying he was doing wrong
[09:03] <Bearshare> A chat log of all my "crimes"
[09:03] <Myrtti> but you are
[09:04] <Bearshare> I'm sure you ops have transcripts of all my perpetrations.
[09:04] <Myrtti> nalioth, Flannel, anyone: I need to go get my meds, like, now. if you can carry on, I'd be grateful. Short of breath
[09:05] <nalioth> Bearshare: as i mentioned to you previously, channels here have rules to follow
[09:05] <nalioth> ubottu: tell Bearshare about guidelines
[09:06] <Bearshare> i know the guidelines
[09:07] <nalioth> then please start respecting them in the ubuntu channels  :)
[09:07] <Bearshare> why are you condescendingly smiling at me
[09:10] <nalioth> Bearshare: is there anything else we can help you with?
[09:11] <Bearshare> no
[09:11] <nalioth> then please respect our /topic
[09:18] <Myrtti> thanks, can breathe through my nose again
[09:19] <nalioth> :)
[09:22] <Myrtti> if anything is crap, it's getting flu on the day you're allowed home from the hospital
[09:22] <Myrtti> pardon my french :-|
[09:23] <nalioth> push fluids, Myrtti and kick the flu's posterior
[12:22] <ikonia> 13:14 <+Bacta> There's something that I've gotta dooo ... I feel like trolling youuuuuu!
[12:22] <ikonia> 13:14 <+Bacta> Instead of my fingerrsss I'll use my toesssss
[12:22] <ikonia> 13:14 <+Bacta> I'll troll waayyy better than youuu
[12:22] <ikonia> yup, looks like bacta's really changed his ways
[12:22] <ikonia> I'm off to the gym
[12:31] <gnomefreak> looks like not for the better
[12:56] <elky> ikonia, where was that?
[14:27] <Pici> !away > thomthom
[14:28] <bazhang> whoa that is an annoying away script
 i just bought ubuntu on the store for 99 dollars
[15:01] <Myrtti> nothing wrong in being ripped off
[15:02] <bazhang> heh
[15:02] <elky> oh excellent, i have some snake oil for sale, i best PM this chap right away.
[15:08] <ikonia> elky: defocus
[15:10] <elky> ikonia, i'm inclined to ignore what he does in defocus providing he doesn't act up elsewhere. defocus is like dangling a treat in front of a dog's nose.
[15:12] <ikonia> still can't control himself, still plays on this trolling rubbish#
[15:13] <elky> it's still an improvement on joining every channel with "trollin's the game"
[15:13] <ikonia> disagree
[15:14] <ikonia> can't be bothered with his games,
[15:21] <topyli> afaik we're concerned about ubuntu channels though
[15:25] <jussi01> err, isnt ubuntu available in stores? how much is it?
[15:26] <elky> jussi01, shop.ubuntu.com, and not for $99
[15:27] <topyli> some american store. bestbuy maybe? also not $99
[15:31] <jussi01> yeah, looks like 19.99$
[16:03] <Pici> !away > adiktd|server
[17:35] <MsMaco> not anymore
[17:35] <MsMaco> best buy stoped selling it
[17:35] <MsMaco> and in the US the $ goes before the number, just like with £
[17:35] <MsMaco> jussi01: ^
[18:01] <jussi01>  maco I know I know, but does it really matter? you understood what I meant...
[18:01] <maco> jussi01: the lines before that as well....
[18:01] <maco> about best buy not selling it anymore
[23:00] <Tyler_> can I have my ban removed?
[23:00] <Tyler_> I was stupid. sorry
[23:00] <Tyler_> I will be good
[23:00] <Tyler_> it's not funny at all
[23:02] <nalioth> no, it's not.
[23:02] <Tyler_> I know
[23:02] <nalioth> there are plenty of other networks where that kind of behaviour is acceptable
[23:02] <Tyler_> where?
[23:02] <nalioth> Tyler_: i believe netsplit.de has a list
[23:03] <Tyler_> are you kidding?
[23:23] <Seeker`> what did he do?
[23:24] <nalioth> Seeker`: /lastlog "ass" and "dick" in #ubuntu
[23:25] <Seeker`> ah


 // I had vaugley heard of LXC in another context .
[02:39] <OerHeks> i started yesterday with KVM/snappy, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/
[02:43] <Bashing-om> Littlw birdies are saying snappy is the coming thing. We may best get hot and learn it . Yuk, I sure like what I have now for an operating system .
[02:43] <Bashing-om> little*
[02:47] <OerHeks> Making some youtube examples is something i would like to contribute to
[02:47] <daftykins> just had to install chromium with pepperflash on this xubuntu laptop to watch a youtube vid 0o
[02:47] <daftykins> can't wait until flash is properly dead
[02:48] <OerHeks> ATI drm drivers will take over, i guess
[02:48] <OerHeks> opendrm is something in development i hear
[02:48] <daftykins> lol?
[03:17] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:19] <Bashing-om> It is good, better now that you have arrived .
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> :p
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> and i slept well, knowing you took over the support
[03:23] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: OH No ! I fell short ! ... A bit back my eyes grew heavy and were crossing, and I timed out for a 2 hour nap .
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> lucky for you the gods took over your nap-time in support
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> and ended life's infrastructure to a good end..
[03:45] <ruenoak> Afternoon all
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> ruenoak: hello mate
[03:49] <ruenoak> hows it goi ng
[03:49] <ruenoak> going
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> great tnx and you
[03:51] <ruenoak> all good
[05:34] <Bashing-om> Guys, it's been real, it's been fun, it's been real fun, but it is time for me to pull a lotuspsychje and also retire for the naunce. Until the next time.
[10:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:03]  * ObrienDave waves
[10:06] <lordievader> Hey ObrienDave
[10:10] <ObrienDave> how goes it?
[10:11] <lordievader> Pretty good here. Rather too warm though... how is it there?
[10:12] <OerHeks> wet and warm
[10:13] <ObrienDave> cool and rainy
[10:14] <lordievader> Ok, where do I need to go? :P
[10:14] <ObrienDave> denver, CO, usa ;P
[10:15] <lordievader> Hmm, that is quite far...
[10:16] <ObrienDave> not really, about 20 miles from here ;P
[10:16] <lordievader> Hehe
[10:17] <ObrienDave> oh, for you, yes just a bit far ;P
[10:17] <lordievader> :P
[10:19] <OerHeks> On my bicycle, 15 miles/hour .. 4800 miles /15= 13. days
[10:23] <MonkeyDust> without resting, sleeping and eating
[10:23] <MonkeyDust> and without traffic lights ;)
[10:23] <OerHeks> But then i am in a nice cool and rainy Denver
[10:31] <lordievader> OerHeks: You are going to cross the ocean at the bottom of it on your bicycle?
[10:34] <OerHeks> Is that not allowed?
[10:38] <MonkeyDust> it is, if you keep your lights switched on
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:29] <lordievader> OerHeks: Surely it is allowed. Though your body might disagree.
[11:30] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: hi mate
[11:30] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje, how are you doing?
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> fine tnx
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> what about you
[11:31] <lordievader> Doing good, glad it rains.
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> sunshine here :o
[11:31] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader, lotuspsychje
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: hi
[11:32] <BluesKaj> beautiful day here
[11:32]  * lordievader goes to fix some software
[11:41] <lordievader> How usefull it is to skip sending the most valuable frame of the program...
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Eurocom-Unveils-13-Inch-Ultraportable-Ubuntu-Laptop-for-Students-and-Professionals-484194.shtml
[12:02] <lordievader> Whoo a 3200x1800 screen, fancy.
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah a beast
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> and beasty price too :p
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu shows up everywhere these days
[12:03] <lordievader> Yet the OS selector only shows Windows...
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> hmmzzz
[12:05] <lordievader> Maxed out is only 4K euros.. ;)
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> lol system76 does better: 5600 euro
[12:06] <lordievader> System76 has nice servers :D
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> samsung pro ssd's are nice addy in their list
[12:07] <lordievader> Getting a display calibration profile is nice too.
[12:08] <lordievader> Too bad monitor calibration on Linux isn't really nice (I'm expressing myself softly)
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> :p
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> i found a nice toy yesterday arandr gui shell for xrandr
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> !info arandr
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: did you tryed that before?
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> for dual screen setup
[12:09] <lordievader> I use xrandr... at times. For display calibration I use Oyranos or xgamma.
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> cool
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> brb
[12:30] <MonkeyDust> !info xgamma
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: wow your here!
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> never noticed you :p
[12:31] <MonkeyDust> deactivated cloaking device
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> cool
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> afternoon EriC^^ and OerHeks
[12:40] <OerHeks> hi lotus
[13:28] <lordievader> !info x11-xserver-utils | MonkeyDust
[16:59] <MonkeyDust> sweet... i'm in a vbox virtual machine, using vagrant, and it my laptop's temperature doesnt increase
[17:01] <MonkeyDust> with vagrant, the vbox machine is launched from terminal, not from the vbox interface
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> !info vagrant
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: whats the purpose of this layout?
[17:16] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  using and managing pre-built virtual machines, it is really aimed at large scales
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: nice!
[17:17] <MonkeyDust> i use it for fun purposses, obviously
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: so it can be distributed over commandline?
[17:21] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  yes, installing the first machine is complicated, but once you have, simply use "vagrant up; vagrant ssh" to go into it... with "vagrant provision" you can execute commands in the vm, without ssh'ing into it
[17:28] <MonkeyDust> I ssh into the vagrant box and from there into unixssh.com, where my screen/irssi session is running
[17:41] <lordievader> MonkeyDust: Is Vagrant like Openstack but then for VB?
[18:12] <MonkeyDust> lordievader  no, openstack is in the cloud, vagrant is on your pc
[18:13] <MonkeyDust> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vagrant
[18:13] <lordievader> I see.
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: cool stuff
[18:30] <MonkeyDust> it is, now i'm looking for a command to ssh into it directly
[18:31]  * lordievader still likes KVM
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om:finaly you arrived
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: we have been waiting for your supporting skillz :p
[18:46] <Bashing-om> Oh yeay, I been peeking over shoulders, see what I can learn today . Hoz it with you and your world ?
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> in my insane world everythings fine :p
[18:47] <MonkeyDust> music, women and wine!
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> nice mix
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> and what music would that be?
[23:05]  * ObrienDave waves from win7ville ;P
[23:07] <daftykins> 7 \o/
[23:07] <daftykins> have you tamed it yet? ;)
[23:08] <ObrienDave> oh lordy, wipped it into shape ages ago LOL
[23:09] <daftykins> ;]