

This isn’t over yet so still time for a more complete analysis. I’m a little shocked at how much ground Hasan gave asmon. This premise they are arguing from is essentially that Palestine has inferior culture but Hasan is imploring asmon as to *why* that is. Asmon will say he thinks their culture is inferior, Hasan asks if asmon thinks this is justification for genocide, asmon says no. 

Hasan shouldn’t be accepting the ‘lesser culture’ framing at all imo, there should be wayy more pushback on that intial frame. We moved away from the term ‘third world’ because even *that* term was too negatively moralising. Then it moved between underdeveloped and global south. Imo if Asmon wanted to say that Palestinians have *some* aspects of their culture that are underdeveloped, that would be okay. Hasan could then come in and explain how Western colonial oppression of Middle Eastern material conditions has impeded their development. 

Then the argument/solution becomes easy, give them better *support* toward improving material conditions so that these aspects of their culture which are actively impeded have the room to develop. This also gets away from the better/worse framing. You don’t think you’re better than your poor friend (hopefully) because they aren’t as economically developed. Hasan touched on some of this, but he could have done more to shut down the better/worse framing imo.
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The fact that Palestine is being compared to Saudi fucking Arabia is pissing me the the FUCK OFF. We don't fucking lynch people on Friday for not attending prayers like they fucking do in Saudi! Women can drive and do normal things in Palestine. A lot of the journalists in Palestine ARE WOMEN! 

Hasan is being WAYYYYY TOOO CHARITABLE TO THIS NAZI CUNT when he's aggressively (rightfully so) shut down chatters who've come in and said far, far less.
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Literally none of that happens in Saudi either lmao.

The only country that actually happens is Afghanistan.

Edit: To the People down voting me, I was literally in Saudi Arabia a year ago. Women have been able to drive for like 7 years now and no one is fucking forced to attend prayers at a mosque. How the hell are they gonna police 30 Million people to make sure they attend the mosque on Friday? Lmao.

If you want to make a point about freedom of speech, government restrictions on freedom that's a different discussion but to make up false shit like women cannot drive and people are lynched on Friday for not going to the mosque is complete Misinformation.
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It ABSOLUTELY DOES happen in Saudi. I have male family members that live out there for work for 15+ years and have seen this shit with their own eyes. The fuck are you on about?

They can't even go to a shopping mall alone unless it's on certain days/hours and even then, they're not allowed to enter stores "as single men" and have a small hatch open, a catalogue given to them by a hand, they pick the item they want and it comes out of that same hatch. 

Saudi Arabia is fucking barbaric. I'm not even going to get started with how they treat women and workers out there. They murdered 100 people last year [which Amnesty International reported on](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/09/saudi-arabia-100-people-executed-as-authorities-continue-relentless-killing-spree/) for things as little as tweets against the government to drug related offences. Here's also a [Human Rights Watch report.](https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/15/saudi-arabia-mass-execution-81-men) They even beheaded a man for renouncing his faith. [Here's a Reuters report on it.](https://www.reuters.com/article/world/saudi-court-gives-death-penalty-to-man-who-renounced-his-muslim-faith-idUSKBN0LS0S9/)

Here's also something you can read from the [Saudi arabia subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/saudiarabia/s/gLPLP3v2y6) where people are discussing the religious police that used to roam the streets during prayer times in Saudi Arabia. One guy even discussed how they raped his friend when he was 10 and then completely shaved his hair off. You'll also read stories of women completely terrified of the harassment they received from grown men following them and terrorising them because they didn't like the way they were wearing their headscarves. 

One of the most famous stories is the girl's school fire incident where Mutawas's (religious police) ordered the male fire fighters to not go into the school to avoid "free mixing" and because many of the fleeing girls weren't wearing the niqab/burka resulting in the deaths of many school girls. Here's the [Human Rights Watch report about this.](https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/03/14/saudi-arabia-religious-police-role-school-fire-criticized) **So I absolutely believe when my family members discussed seeing lynchings with canes by these thugs if you weren't at home or in the mosque praying on a Friday**. 

The "Matawa" a.k.a 'religious police' were only "stripped of their powers" in 2016, although they still operate in Saudi Arabia. [Here's an Al Jazeera article talking about it.](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/4/14/saudi-arabia-strips-religious-police-of-arresting-power)

They're now trying to clean up their image to the West by hiring white influencers to come to the new city they're building that's just for tourists. Hasan and Wake spoke about this topic on their own streams  a couple of months ago.

Edited: to add links.
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