

This isn’t over yet so still time for a more complete analysis. I’m a little shocked at how much ground Hasan gave asmon. This premise they are arguing from is essentially that Palestine has inferior culture but Hasan is imploring asmon as to *why* that is. Asmon will say he thinks their culture is inferior, Hasan asks if asmon thinks this is justification for genocide, asmon says no. 

Hasan shouldn’t be accepting the ‘lesser culture’ framing at all imo, there should be wayy more pushback on that intial frame. We moved away from the term ‘third world’ because even *that* term was too negatively moralising. Then it moved between underdeveloped and global south. Imo if Asmon wanted to say that Palestinians have *some* aspects of their culture that are underdeveloped, that would be okay. Hasan could then come in and explain how Western colonial oppression of Middle Eastern material conditions has impeded their development. 

Then the argument/solution becomes easy, give them better *support* toward improving material conditions so that these aspects of their culture which are actively impeded have the room to develop. This also gets away from the better/worse framing. You don’t think you’re better than your poor friend (hopefully) because they aren’t as economically developed. Hasan touched on some of this, but he could have done more to shut down the better/worse framing imo.
user
You're right and I am finding this whole conversation frustrating. Just listened to Hasan using a hypothetical alien invasion that is stronger than American imperial power to make his argument about disproportionate force and I'm just perplexed. Asmon's weird framing and arguments aren't hard to counter but for some reason Hasan isn't make his points very effectively imo.
assistant
Hasan is platforming him because he reaches a shit ton of people, so if he can convince even a tiny portion of asmons audience then it's a decent outcome
user
What about all the liberals in Hasan's community could the sanitization of fascist view not effect them negatively?
assistant