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I remember the 2020 primary and Biden was by far the most conservative of the candidates (besides like Bloomberg) except for maybe labor. Biden didn’t fulfill any progressive promises either. Like who is gonna be more conservative on Israel than Biden??? I don’t know if a more conservative option even exists.
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Biden is about the most pro Israel democrat in rhetoric.

Materially speaking all of the DNC candidates do the exact same thing Biden did. Eg. Give the same amount of weaponry and money.

Assuming Harris wins, the US isn't going to stop the genocide.

Too many of you guys view this as a Biden problem and not a systematic US issue. 

Israel serves American imperial interests. America is a fundamentally evil state. Only surpassed by cartoonish evil states in the past.

The difference is they wouldn't be as rhetorically supportive as Biden. Eg. Harris would not openly call herself a Zionist and would criticize Netanyahu far more.

She gives the exact same amount of weaponry and fund though. And the US shields Israel internationally to the same extent.


Tons of Republicans would be giving Israel 2000 pound bombs.
user
Even if I were to concede that it’s rhetoric only (idk I feel Harris could be swayed as Biden seems to be fundamentally set in his Israel views), regardless, that’s still LESS conservative that Biden. There is no option that’s more conservative than Biden and there’s no option more likely to lose to the republicans.
assistant
On this one issue 

I have seen no evidence Harris is more pro labor or less corporate aligned.

Eg. Biden's admin went after apple for monopolistic practices.

I would be surprised if Harris was as anti big tech.



Once again you are overestimating an individual presidents control of foreign policy IMO.

US foreign policy does not really change admission to admission because ultimately US imperial interests remain unchanged

Biden is a walking corpse who by some accounts can only work a couple hours a day. The state department is probably being ran by Blinken. 

Blinken was undersecretary of state during the Obama administration


The point is each democratic admin typically pulls from the same relatively small pool of people to staff the state departments political positions.

You won't see that material difference when/if Harris is president 

You will see rhetorical differences. Eg. Much Harsher condemnation of Israel, maybe even calling it an apartheid state, etc.

Bombs will keep flowing through.

America supports Israel not because Biden wants to, but because America wants a forward operating Base in an oil rich region and directly occupying the area with American troops would have been much harder and more costly. Eg. Dead soldiers.


America is not ultimately committed to Israel.

It's committed to a non-arab and non-muslim state that will be a guaranteed Ally.

Every other American client state in the region is one revolution away from being an enemy.

Iran still uses the f-14 as it's mainstay fighter in its air force 

How did Iran get access to US tech?

Because it used to be an American client state. America used to prop up the shah. Who was a brutal tyrant. Then they had a revolution and Iran became an enemy.
user
Who is claiming that there will be “material difference”? I didn’t. I specifically said at least in rhetoric she is better and that I believe she can be pressured more than Biden. Even in rhetoric alone, that would be better than Biden plus she’s more likely to be the actual president. So that’s the point. You’re arguing a straw man. There’s more evidence of her being slightly to Biden’s left than there is to her being to his right. Why? Because as it was in 2020, Biden was/is the most conservative Dem candidate and his 2024 campaign is basically done. Anyone other candidate would be better.
assistant
We agree if you say there will be no material difference and the only difference on Israel will be rhetoric.


Biden is further to the left of Kamala on corporations and labour.
user
Biden is not further left on labor, his admin is. To which Kamala would have the same admin so it’s doesn’t matter. The most important part, and I can’t stress this enough, is that at least Kamala has a chance to win. I don’t care if Biden was left of Bernie, he can’t get over the dementia problem and he will lose. Biden isn’t left of Bernie though nor is he left of Kamala or any other Dem option. At most they’re the same but any other option has a chance to win. And if you agree there will be no material difference, then who are you talking to because the question was if another Dem option would be MORE conservative. The same does not equal more plus it’s better than a 0% chance of beating Trump…
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