If Trump is elected and you didn't vote for Biden, you did not contribute to that. There is no fault with you. Biden chooses to not drop out for a stronger more popular candidate. The Democrats chose Biden. Biden is complicit with Genocide and is a war criminal, not voting for him is the least you can do for your morals.

 


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Remember when Karl Marx and Frederick Engels wrote “the way to freedom for the working class is via capitalist bourgeois electoral politics”?
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Says the person who isn’t in a violent militia planning to over throw the government. People who scoff at electoral politics without presenting a different plan they’re actually going to participate in are less than useless. Disengage from politics or become a revolutionary. Your input is not constructive.
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Remember when Karl Marx and Frederick Engels said “the way to freedom for the working class is via a violent militia planning to overthrow the government”? 

Man rad libs like you are so pitiful is just sad.

Would you even listen if leftists presented an alternative to voting? 

Becuse it’s been said a million times… and yet people like you keep saying “oh yea what’s the alternative?” 

So I’ll say it again. 

The way to beat capitalism is not getting a bunch of red necks and their guns and take on the government. Nor is it by walking into a booth once a year and pressing a button. 

The way forward is through organized mass movements of working class people. Unionizing, striking, community activism, community organizing, community education, community defense, protests, riots - and failing all that - yes violent revolution. 

But all those options require working class solidarity. Which does not exist in the US. It will take a long time to rebuild that. If ever. 

So please continue to demonstrate how you’ve no idea what you’re talking about.
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Meanwhile elections will happen and they will have consequences. I’m not even saying vote for Biden but the angst is getting unbearable and it’s from a bunch of people who aren’t advocating a way around elections and the rule of law that follows. Yes organization is great but Marx was not a prophet and his views on the state seem somewhat meaningless when the state very much affects us all.
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Those consequences are the exact same whether Trump
Or Biden or any dem or any Republican wins… because they are both capitalists… and will always protect capital. 

Theres no way around it… thats why electoral politics literally doesn’t work. It can’t work. And will never work.
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&gt;Those consequences are the exact same whether Trump Or Biden or any dem or any Republican wins

This is exactly the kind of insane low-level take that we really need to push out.

They might both suck, but one sucks a hell of a lot more than the other and represents a *far* greater threat to leftists ability to organize and apply political pressure. 

People are losing nuance in a *really* concerning way.
user
You know besides Genocide Joe, his other nick name is Union Busting Joe right? Or let's talk about what he said about the police and college/business protests against genocide. Like he doesn't like organization either, and is just as much a threat to organization as anyone.
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&gt;You know besides Genocide Joe, his other nick name is Union Busting Joe right?

Your other option (in a FPTP system) is this -

[https://cwa-union.org/trumps-anti-worker-record](https://cwa-union.org/trumps-anti-worker-record)

[https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/donald-trumps-legacy-in-israel](https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/donald-trumps-legacy-in-israel)

I don't like Biden but acting like he hasn't made significant moves to ease US Labour and Union laws, or that he hasn't taken fairly unprecedented acts in actually making at least some vague notions towards criticizing Israel as it bombs thousands of children to red mist is just silly, you're not doing yourselves any favours. Take it from a Britbong, you don't want to FAFO when it comes to dallying with dangerous populist fascists vs centrist neoliberal types.

E - To be clear FPTP is a two-party system. It cannot escape this, it is an in-built part of its logic over the cycle of multiple elections, splitting the vote on your side of the aisle is as good as giving a vote to those on the opposite side to you. Its a fucking stupid system but its the one we're all voting in this year.
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You know when you vote, the box you check is who you are voting for, right? You're defending voting for Biden by saying but look at Trump is meaningless and just a way you are coping with your decision to cast your vote for modern day Himmler.
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