It’s not morally wrong, no. Your vote is a personal decision for you and it’s not like there’s other realistic choices. We don’t have to confine ourselves to an identity as a leftist and limit our moral reasoning to what a leftist would do. Vote for who you please because it’s not like there’s a leftist candidate anyway that we’re all organizing around.

I will say that project 2025 is happening, though. It’s the end of a 30 year project and if the presidency stops it why aren’t we already doing that? We can organize to do shit to reverse things but it will be a lot of work. If that’s your concern a vote for the presidency is a poor strategy to do anything about it.
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&gt; I will say that project 2025 is happening, though.

Yeah it's happening no matter who wins the election &amp; that's the problem
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Exactly. The 2025 manifesto is the end result of the GOP dumping their popular support for corporate donations almost 50 years ago. Its been a long game of taking over state courts and legislators while moving power back to the states at the federal level. Unless I'm missing something I failed see how voting blue(which I will most likely do on election day) will stop this train. That's like saying we can just stop a cruise ship on a dime. 

In every liberal sub all I see is 2025 being used as a cudgel to get young people out on voting day. Yet, I have failed to see any plan of attack from the establishment on what happens on day one to start to mitigate this take over. And we won't see that because they are to busy ensuring that voters think candidate is still very very alive and not about to walk out to the g20 in pajamas. I can't believe this is where we are at.
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&gt;Unless I'm missing something I failed see how voting blue(which I will most likely do on election day) will stop this train. That's like saying we can just stop a cruise ship on a dime.

The executive branch doing nothing (or more optimistically, doing what it can to sabotage enforcement of these bigoted laws) is still better than the executive branch smashing the accelerator.

Voting alone obviously isn't enough to stop fascism, but we should be doing it for harm reduction as long as they still allow it to be a tool in the toolkit. It's a hell of a lot easier than trying not to get fucked up by riot police.
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&gt; The executive branch doing nothing (or more optimistically, doing what it can to sabotage enforcement of these bigoted laws) is still better than the executive branch smashing the accelerator.

The executive branch is going to smash the accelerator no matter what, the only difference is that if it's Biden in the White House then the overwhelming majority of corporate media isn't gonna say shit about it &amp; may actively lie to gaslight the public into believing that the Democrats are doing the literal exact opposite

&gt; Voting alone obviously isn't enough to stop fascism

I'll never understand this kind of talk about fascism as if it's something in our potential future that we need to work together in order to stop, when the reality is that it's clearly already arrived &amp; has been here for our entire lives

Like fascism isn't when Trump gets elected &amp; the GOP takes over—fascism is when the only choices we're given are two unbelievably horrific candidates like Biden &amp; Trump

&gt; but we should be doing it for harm reduction as long as they still allow it to be a tool in the toolkit.

I think it's pretty wild how people will honestly believe that one half of the duopoly is genuinely better than the other in any meaningful way—the only significant difference between Democrats &amp; Republicans when it comes to voting is that one wants to restrict people's ability to do it &amp; the other thinks voting is still useful in terms of giving the system a veneer of legitimacy &amp; making people feel like they accomplished something important

&gt; It's a hell of a lot easier than trying not to get fucked up by riot police.

Man idk if you just never got the memo or what but the Democrats have been using riot police to fuck up protesters all year long, just like Trump did in 2020 &amp; just like Obama did in 2011
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Yeah I'm sorry but if you think there isn't a difference between living as a trans person or a woman who needs to make a very difficult reproductive choice in a red state/municipality vs a blue one, you're fucking high.

I can't believe I'm wasting time defending the mainstream Democratic Party here, but that's tankie-brained nonsense.
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