Why does Hasan have to refer to people he disagrees with as "mentally ill", "schizophrenic", etc? I have bipolar with psychotic features. I have been in psychiatric units and seen the violence inflicted on people in active psychosis. All of my relationships are impacted by the stigma on severe mental illness. Do you think the things Hasan says have a positive impact on that stigma? No. So why do I have to wince several times a video when I want to catch up on the latest Palestine or American politics news?

Don't say "you could just stop watching." That's the same logic Hasan argues against when people say if you don't like America, go back to Turkey. I don't want to watch someone else. I want to watch Hasan. He's funny, he's smart, he cares about people. What's wrong with asking for a little change, especially when he's already an activist. I think more people would be drawn to his content if he wasn't so aggro on the ableism.

And "libt\*rd" is just a cowardly way of getting around the R slur while saying the same thing. Say it with your chest and show people your true colors or don't say anything like that at all.

Thanks for letting me get this out of my brain. I'm a fan of Hasan which is why this has been bugging me so damn much.
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But Hasan has a problem with the people disagreeing with him being mentally disabled... If they were mentally capable, they wouldn't have bad opinions. That's just simple logic.

It seems like you have a problem with making things about yourself. Hasan hasn't been talking to you nor about you, so you really shouldn't be feeling any sort of way about it.

Oh, and Hasan was born in America, so he can't go back to Turkey.


&gt;All of my relationships are impacted by the stigma on severe mental illness.

So, do you think the only issues with mental illness are stigma? If that is the case, could you not just lie and say you have no mental illness, and then the relationship would be fine, because mental illness has no negative impact beyond it's stigma?

Furthermore, is mental illness is only real in that it has stigma associated to it, and the mental illness itself doesn't impact anything?


The truth is you don't need to pretend a problem is not a problem, just because you identify with it. You mental issues are a problem you have to deal with, but you are not your mental issues. Just like how I have to deal with having panic attacks, and I don't need to get offended because people think having an extremely high heart rate for no good reason is a bad thing.
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Republicans are not intellectually disabled. They are cruel, bigoted, and wrong. Conflating the two is ableist.

Speaking on your experience and how it relates to an entertainer’s actions is neither selfish nor narcissistic. If Hasan was saying racial slurs instead of ableist ones, he’d be rightly flamed, particularly by those groups. There is no difference.

You’re right I forgot that Hasan is native born, though people still tell him to go “back” so the point stands.

There are many issues with mental illness. But it sounds like you’re focusing on how *my* mental illness impacts *other* people, and how *your* mental illness impacts *you*. That comes from stigma.

The narrative that identifying with my mental illness, something that has fundamentally warped and influenced who I am for 10 years, is a bad thing? That’s also inherently ableist. And you’re putting that on yourself, too. It must be a lot of pressure, to have panic attacks and pretend that it doesn’t matter.

Don’t police how others talk about their lived experience with mental illness.
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&gt;cruel, bigoted, and wrong. Conflating the two is ableist.

Being unable to see why being bigoted and cruel are wrong, is itself a disability. They are clearly unable to comprehend what they should. And, In that case, I am being ablist, because I'm criticizing their inability to mentally function properly.

&gt; If Hasan was saying racial slurs instead of ableist ones, he’d be rightly flamed, particularly by those groups. There is no difference.


"Mentally ill" and "schizophrenic" are not slurs, they are descriptors. The N word, for example, is not a descriptor. Conflating the two is pretty wild.

&gt;There are many issues with mental illness. But it sounds like you’re focusing on how my mental illness impacts other people, and how your mental illness impacts you. That comes from stigma.

Oh, yes you are correct, I am focused on how your mental illness affects others, because your words seem to blame all problems in past relationships on stigma. Well, if the mental illness had no problems itself, then why would it be identifiable in the first place? Or is the mental illness a struggle in itself, not just the stigma?

And with how my mental problems affect others, I'm fairly sure people are quite uncomfortable when I collapse on the ground panting and holding my chest. So it affects myself and them.

&gt;The narrative that identifying with my mental illness, something that has fundamentally warped and influenced who I am for 10 years, is a bad thing? 

It is generally bad to reduce yourself to a trait you have, instead of seeing yourself as an entire human. I believe that's called dehumanization.

&gt;That’s also inherently ableist. 

It's just not.

&gt;And you’re putting that on yourself, too. It must be a lot of pressure, to have panic attacks and pretend that it doesn’t matter.

What do you mean, I've gone to the hospital. Just because I don't identify as a walking panic attack doesn't mean I don't know of the problem nor deal with it.

Being aware it's an issue is how you go about finding a solution.

It's not really beneficial for me to identify as bleeding and dying, after being stabbed, and then not want someone to stop the bleeding, because it will erase my status as someone who is bleeding and dying. A factor about me is not me, and who I am does not solely depend on any of the individual factors that make up who I am.

&gt;Don’t police how others talk about their lived experience with mental illness

I'm not policing. I haven't fined you, cited you or anything similar. And, I could say "Don't police how I police others."

I'm sorry if I have cause you to reflect on how you speak about things, and how you interact with others. Retroflexion is often very difficult for people.
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There’s a lot here that I disagree with but I’ll just address one. I don’t reduce myself to being bipolar. I am many things. But it is a strong part of my identity, how I think and behave, how I feel. Even in the art that I make, the things I write, the causes I advocate for, they’re connected inextricably to being bipolar. That’s not a bad thing. It’s just a part of me.
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Well, then that is what I was advocating for, so I'm glad you are that way. Sorry for misunderstanding that.
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