That superior European civilized behavior we always hear about.
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Engl*sh Geeza here: You can bash the English footy hooliganism all you want but literally every country in Europe does it, there’s just more Englanders devoted to going abroad to watch the games.

The English do on a whole cause the most damage and trash wherever they go though, probably because no foreigners want to come to the UK, it’s a shithole and the weather is shit.

I don’t really agree with trashing places, especially ones you don’t live in. Nor with violence with people who don’t want to be involved. But these people love it, let them scrap. The working class *need* ways to blow off steam, you might not but these people do. It’s sad that they need to resort to actual violence to do it but they are humans at the end of the day. I’d much rather smoke a spliff or go to a rave and take some Es listening to hard techno. But it’s really not as deep as some people (Americans and middle class British peeps) take it.
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The working class should not be "blowing off steam" against itself. Football is a tool of class warfare, designed to divert the energy of working class frustrations away from challenging the ruling class.
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You’re correct, but how are you going to tell Bazza that?
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It's too late for all the Bazzas sadly.
user
So it is you who has given up on the working class. See, this is the real divide. Middle class/intellectual class looking down upon the grafting/working class.
assistant
I've given up on football hooligans, yes. Once the shit coke gets inside them there's no way back, and their icons such as Tommy Robinson have cultivated unbreakable loyalty.
user
Then you should give up any hope for revolution or reform. Trust me, these guys are infuriating. But they are just as working class as you or me. You are enabling the divide, be the better person because you know better.

Edit: Just to add an example - Have you seen any Ireland or Liverpool games? Their fans are based af. Singing songs when Thatcher died, telling the Prince to go f*ck himself, waving flags in solidarity of Palestine. Football is powerful, whether you like it or not.
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