Liberals having normal reactions (with Bonus content from this subreddit!)
user
Liberals in this sub have come all out regarding Kamala in a way they hadn't for biden. That's pretty wild and also pretty sad.
assistant
I think people just don’t want Trump lol.
user
So a little genocide is okay? I draw the line well before that.
assistant
It's really not, but if Trump gets to power, I might as well off myself right now together with every other trans person I know. There is more to this election than Palestine, and voting third party is simply not going to do anything. 

If you think letting Trump win will somehow shock the people into socialism, you're dead wrong. Everyone hates this "lesser evil" bullshit, me included, and yet it is very much the reality of the world.
user
I’m actually in despair. You read all of that, you are in a socialist community, and you somehow still think that opposition to bourgeois social structures means you vote for a third party or that everything is about what is happening in Palestine.

I don’t think a Trump victory will just shock people into socialism, I’m not some weird accelerationist. There is not going to be a revolution tomorrow. And I also see that ultimately there is no challenge to the reasons why you are exploited and scapegoated, things will not better not will things change by lending support to them remaining the same. I’m 4 years you will say the same thing, 4 years after that you will say the same thing… I’m not expecting you to create some sort of revolutionary situation or play guerrilla down in the local park, but throwing support behind bourgeois class interests and their informed structures, it’s crazy.
assistant
Well in the context of this post, I conclude that you either don't vote or vote third party, which in the end comes down to the same thing. Let me know if that assumption is wrong. 

This post is purely in the context of voting, so of course I'm going to assume you are talking about that. What else could you mean?
user
It’s wrong. Our social structures, such as he way our governments operate, are informed by the interests of the bourgeoisie. Their interests stem from relationship to property. As such these social structures serve to maintain exploitation of workers, a necessity step in the capitalist mode of production.

Voting for a third party is still going through the same structures, not to mention the wider context that will surround any movement attempting to do some sort of socialism by ballot box. Marx outlines that change will only come through the overthrow of the ruling class and these structures, not by compliance and sub service to them in the idealistic hope that the bourgeoisie abandon their interests.
assistant
Duh...

So you advocate for revolution, or well, you don't explicitly, but you do suggest it is the only true way forward. I actually agree with that. Yet you have also already conceded that there is not going to be a revolution tomorrow, and again, I agree. 

But that is not an answer to my question. On the short term, what do we do about this election? It seems to me that you refuse to vote then, which is pretty much the same as voting third party, but for idealists. Semantics.

Systematic change will indeed not come through the ballot, but to deny that there can be good changes in a bad system is a ludicrous, defeatist attitude. 

So then, would you rather wage a revolution against the fascists, or against the neolibs? These are not equal parties. If your choice is the fascists, then that brings me back to "shocking the people into socialism", and if you choose the neolibs, well, then we agree.
user
You organise and advocate, you fight in the ways you can. And I’m not an idealist, be snarky all you like, I’m guessing the fact you think concepts rooted in Marx’s material analysis of the world lead to idealism says a lot about your understanding of Marx.

And no, there is no good or bad. There aren’t good guys and bad guys, there are class interests. There is an exploitative and violent system, that will remain in place no matter what happens after the election, it will be unchanged if either Trump or Harris won each and every singe state. The proletariat have nothing to gain here, call it defeatist if you want, Lenin himself was an advocate for revolutionary defeatism - we stand to only lose if we advocate for our own exploitation even if it’s ‘harm reduction’.

That means I oppose fascism, liberalism and any sort of maintaining of a capitalist mode of production. I’d certainly not vote for it, it’s saying we should vote for Paul von Hindenburg (the anti-Nazi choice at the time) to keep Hitler out of power. Shocker, that did not go well.
assistant