Hi guys.

So I really love this community. Hasan has done a lot for me. He's helped me to become a good person.

This community has been a beacon of growth for me and I'm super grateful.

But on my journey I eventually stumbled upon the issue of veganism and I donno, I kinda - following a lot of the logic I learned here - thought that vegans were right in a lot of what they were saying.  
So I decided to properly check out all of their arguments and watch vegan documentaries and really open myself up to the possibility that vegans might be right, and long story short- I decided that they were, and now I'm a vegan.

And I donno.. It's like now that I am, it's like I'm seeing things from a whole new perspective, and I feel like all of the arguments people here make for humans, can be applied to animals, and it just feels like a whole lot of people are preaching about how we should be better, while being complicit in one of the biggest horrors that exists.

I feel like.. Like you know how we call what's going on in Gaza a genocide? Because.. well because it is a genocide. But people who don't get that accuse us of using inflammatory language?  
But then vegans will say that what's happening to animals is an animal holocaust. And I feel like that's true. They're literally confined in cages for their entire lives, and then killed. Pigs are literally gassed to death. Like... You don't get more holocaust than that.   
But then Hasan dismisses veganism and thinks that vegans are being extra with their views...

I don't know.   
Just like how it's difficult for you guys to be part of democratic spaces that are in support of what Israel is doing; I too find it hard to be part of this space when you guys are in support of what the meat industry is doing.

I don't if that sounds dumb? But that's how I feel and I'd just like to know what you guys think about this issue.

I'm not really looking to argue or convince anyone to go vegan, but I am wondering why people in this community aren't as a whole opposed to animal farming, and in particular- factory farming.  
It's just like- if farming animals causes harm to animals, and there are viable alternatives, then how do you justify eating animal products?

Tl;dr: Why aren't you vegan?
user
You're not going to like my answer. But I'm just going to be 100% honest. I value human life way more than other animal life.
assistant
What you actually need to say is that you’re willing to harm animal life because you want to enjoy animal products.

Most vegans also value animal life less than human life. It’s just that they don’t value it so low that they’re willing to harm animals.

This idea that most vegans don’t realize human life is sacred is actually mostly just slander.

The difference between them and other people is that vegans believe that it’s not OK to harm animals for the benefit of humans. They don’t actually believe that human life isn’t more important. Eg. They would save a human baby over a hamster in a fire.
user
Ok? Sure? I'm willing to harm animals because I enjoy it. Yay.  I don't care.


I should have known better to comment in this thread.


Vegans can have their moral superiority. I'll give it to them. At the end of the day, I just don't really care that much.
assistant