url: =Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-06-23\nAqhna, 23 Ioynioy 2000\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Ti apozhmiwsh phre o k. Mpakoyrhs, xqes;\nREPPAS: Sas eipa kai xqes oti ayta ta qemata qa syzhthqoyn metajy twn dyo pleyrwn. H lysh ths synergasias egine me diaqesh na ajiopoihqei o k. Mpakoyrhs se kapoia allh qesh. Ola ayta qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs, tis epomenes hmeres.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: A, den symfwnhsan, dhladh to poson; Giati shmera kykloforoyn diafora posa, 400, 500 ekatommyria k.lp.\nREPPAS: O k. Mpakoyrhs exei ypogracei sygkekrimenh symbash, me oroys oi opoioi einai gnwstoi. Ola ayta ta qemata qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs, prokeimenoy kai oi dyo pleyres na katalhjoyn se mia symfwnia.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati allo: o Prwqypoyrgos apanthse ston Arxiepiskopo gia ta sygxarhthria poy toy esteile gia thn entajh ths Elladas sthn ONE;\nREPPAS: Exei apanthsei. Einai qema xronoy -qa elega pio sygkekrimena, einai qema ligwn wrwn- h eyxaristhria epistolh na ftasei sta xeria toy Makariotatoy.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Qa toy apanthsei kai gia th xqesinh apoxh toy apo th dejiwsh poy pareqese o Prwqypoyrgos;\nREPPAS: Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, h apanthsh prohlqe apo to Makariotato, giati gnwrizete poly kala oti prosklhsh eixe aposteilei o Prwqypoyrgos. Ara, den tiqetai qema apanthshs se apanthsh gi` ayth thn ekdhlwsh.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Kati akomh. O k. Tsobolas eixe prosklhqei xqes;\nREPPAS: Bebaiws, eixe prosklhqei.\nKWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws sxoliazete thn epishmh episkech toy Toyrkoy Proedroy sthn Kypro mazi me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, o opoios kalyce apolytws ton Ntenktas, milhse gia synomospondia kai kalese ton kosmo na dei thn pragmatikothta poy yparxei ayth th stigmh sthn Kypro, opws thn onomase;\nREPPAS: Ayth h symperifora apokalyptei pws h politeiakh kai h politikh hgesia ths Toyrkias, paramenei staqera se mia politikh, h opoia einai apolytws arnhtikh. H antimetwpish toy kypriakoy qematos den mporei, para na ginei ypo to prisma twn apofasewn toy OHE. H kinhtikothta poy exei anaptyxqei, thn teleytaia periodo, apotelei ena qetiko gegonos. Arnhtikos paragontas paramenei h Toyrkia kai h paroysia toy k. Ntenktas, me thn politikh poy ekfrazei kai prowqei. Ayto einai poly arnhtiko fainomeno, to opoio katadikazoyme apolytws. Qa prepei na to labei ypoch toy o dieqnhs paragontas kai qa prepei na epishmanqei h eyqynh poy exei h Toyrkia na eyqygrammistei me thn prospaqeia poy kanei h dieqnhs koinothta gia thn antimetwpish toy kypriakoy qematos.\nKWNSTANTINIDHS: Kai me ayta ta drwmena, pws qa pame stis 5 Ioylioy stis ek toy syneggys synomilies; Exoyme prooptikes;\nREPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h lysh sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh prepei na epizhthqei @epanalambanw- sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE kai, bebaiws, me diadikasies dialogoy. H kypriakh kybernhsh prwtostatei se ayto. Kai kanei para poly kala. Exei ferei se poly dyskolh qesh thn allh pleyra, h opoia sta matia ths dieqnoys koinothtas exei pleon apogymnwqei. Qa prepei, loipon, h allh pleyra na xrewqei apolytws to oti to kypriako qema paramenei se stasimothta kai telma.\nKARGOYDH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes, o k. Karamanlhs proserxomenos sth dejiwsh toy Zappeioy ekane mia dhlwsh gia thn ONE. Metajy twn allwn, sth dhlwsh toy epishmane oti qa prepei oles oi politikes dynameis qa prepei na enwsoyn tis dynameis toys gia na antimetwpisoyme tis megales proklhseis poy antimetwpizei h xwra, meta thn entajh sthn ONE. Epeidh, polles fores exete kanei kritikh sthn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh oti stereitai programmatos kai ej aytoy toy logoy den askei epoikodomhtikh antipoliteysh, diablepete eseis mia allagh stashs toy k. Karamanlh;\nREPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h prospaqeia poy kaname ta prohgoymena xronia stefqhke me epityxia. Kai, epishs, gnwrizete oti h prospaqeia ayth yponomeyqhke syxna apo tis qeseis poy aneptyje h N.D. Gnwrizete tis dhlwseis twn stelexwn ths, poy efqasan sto shmeio na qewroyn pws den prokeitai h Ellada na entaxqei pote sthn ONE. Argotera, metepesan se mia allh qesh, legontas oti qa entaxqoyme sthn ONE, probainontas se politikh diapragmateysh gia na petyxoyme ayto to stoxo. Otan diaceysqhke kai ayth h qesh toys, zhthsan mia symmetoxh se ayto to epiteygma, thn opoia bebaiws anagnwrizoyme, me thn ennoia oti h N.D. ekfrazei ena shmantiko kommati toy ellhnikoy laoy. O ellhnikos laos, oloi oi ergazomenoi synebalan sto na exoyme ayth th qetikh katalhjh twn prospaqeiwn mas. Den qa prepei, omws, na lhsmonoyn oti exoyn thn eyqynh na paroysiazoyn sygkekrimenes qeseis -kai den to ekanan mexri twra kata thn poreia pros thn ONE, as to kanoyn twra poy eimaste mesa sthn ONE- gia to pws qa ajiopoihsoyme ta pleonekthmata ths symmetoxhs mas s` ayth th dieqnh synergasia, prokeimenoy h Ellada na parameinei, diarkws pleon, sthn prwth taxythta, sthn prwtoporia twn xwrwn ths Eyrwphs. Ayto to anamenoyme apo th N.D. Makari, h epoikodomhtikh qesh ths na ekfrastei kai sthn prajh. Giati o logos aytos, bebaiws einai elpidoforos, anamenoyme omws -kai h empeiria poy exoyme mexri twra toylaxiston, einai mallon arnhtikh- h N.D. na apodeijei oti exei jeperasei ton eayto ths. To exei jeperasei; Menei na apodeixqei.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, h N.D. polemhse thn entajh mas sthn ONE;\nREPPAS: H N.D. yponomeyse syxna thn prospaqeia poy ekane h kybernhsh toy PASOK askwntas sygkekrimenh politikh, gia na entaxqei h xwra sthn ONE. Kai monon -ean qelete na meinw se ayto- to arnhtiko politiko shma poy ejepempe, gia endexomenh katalhjh ths kybernhtikhs prospaqeias na mhn entaxqoyme sthn ONE, einai arnhtikh symbolh. Gia na mhn anaferqw stis diatypwseis poy xrhsimopoihsan stelexh ths N.D. otan miloysan se dieqnes koino, se jenoys paragontes kai elegan oti h ellhnikh oikonomia einai ``makigiarismenh'' kai h prospaqeia poy kanei h kybernhsh gia na entajei th xwra sthn ONE, einai prospaqeia h opoia kineitai metajy alxhmeiwn kai logistikwn laqroxeiriwn, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme ta megeqh poy problepei h Symfwnia ths Sygklishs. Ola ayta -ta opoia qymomaste kai den einai dynato na ta jexasoyme- deixnoyn me ton kalytero tropo poia htan h ``symbolh'' ths N.D, se olh ayth thn prospaqeia poy kaname thn prohgoymenh periodo. Elpizw h symbolh ths N.D. na einai pio qetikh kai na einai xeiropiastos, pleon, o logos ths oti qa symbalei na exoyme mia epoikodomhtikh poreia, ws xwra, mesa sthn ONE.\nGIANNAKOPOYLOS: Symmerizetai h kybernhsh thn apoch toy k. Staqopoyloy oti prepei na mhn anaferetai to qrhskeyma apo ta alla epishma eggrafa, opws to pistopoihtiko gennhshs kai oi lhjiarxikes prajeis poy apaitoyntai gia thn eggrafh twn paidiwn sta Dhmotika sxoleia;\nREPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxei o nomos toy 1997 gia ta kaloymena eyaisqhta proswpika dedomena. Qa prepei h Anejarthth Arxh kai oi armodies yphresies na ejetasoyn ola ayta ta qemata, ypo to prisma ths efarmoghs toy sygkekrimenoy nomoy. Kai epeidh polles apoceis apodidontai se anqrwpoys poy oydepote exoyn ekfrasei tetoies apoceis, parakalw na eimaste poly prosektikoi, idiaiterws ayth thn periodo, giati gnwrizete poly kala oti eykola dhmioyrgeitai sygxysh mesa apo seira paranohsewn kai odhgoymaste se mia peritth kai epizhmia krish. Kalo einai, loipon, na symballoyme oloi gia na antimetwpisoyme ayth thn entos h ektos eisagwgikwn krish, poy exei ekdhlwqei, prokeimenoy etsi me cyxraimia na fqasoyme sth galhnh kai thn hremia. To mono poy mas apasxolei, ayth thn wra, einai ayto poy apotelese th bash kai thn aformh gia tis prwtoboylies poy anelabe h Ierarxia ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas. To qema poy mas apasxolhse einai h anagrafh h mh toy qrhskeymatos sta astynomika deltia anagnwrishs twn politwn. Sta astynomika deltia anagnwrishs twn politwn den mporei na anagrafetai to qrhskeyma, den mporei na anaferetai h qrhskeytikh pepoiqhsh twn politwn.\nPAPADOPOYLOS: Giati orismenes energeies ths kybernhshs, aples -an qelete- diadikastikes epeteinan ayth th sygxysh. Diabazoyme, shmera, stis efhmerides oti h prosklhsh toy Arxiepiskopoy efqase, molis xqes to prwi. O k. Shmiths den edwse apanthsh sto sygxarhthrio thlegrafhma toy, giati kapoioi synergates toy den ton enhmerwsan nwritera. An ayta einai alhqina, deixnoyn oti h kybernhsh stereitai mias yphresias dhmosiwn sxesewn, estw kai toy prwtokolloy. Me apotelesma na epibarynontai ta oysiastika problhmata. Ayto einai to ena. Kai to deytero, to oysiastikotero, to opoio exei sxesh kai me thn ONE, h kybernhsh den hjere aytes tis sygkekrimenes hmeromhnies, toso ths entajhs, oso kai twn syllalhthriwn, gia na mporesei na meqodeysei etsi tis diergasies aytes, wste ayto to shmantiko gegonos gia th xwra kai na ginei katanohto sthn koinh gnwmh kai na enteinete eseis mia prospaqeia probolhs kai enhmerwshs gia na enhmerwqei o ellhnikos laos gi` ayto to shmantiko gegonos kai na mhn pesei se mia periodo diadikasiwn kai syllalhthriwn. Ayta den ta skeftetai kapoios apo thn kybernhsh;\nREPPAS: H kybernhsh, pragmati, den zhthse apo toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys na metaqesoyn thn hmeromhnia lhchs apofashs gia thn entajh ths Elladas sthn ONE, logw twn syllalhthriwn poy tis hmeres aytes diorganwne h Ekklhsia ths Elladas.\nPAPADOPOYLOS: Mporoyse o k. Staqopoylos na to anakoinwne merikes hmeres argotera, na to ekane twra.\nREPPAS: Otan o k. Staqopoylos erwtatai, dinei apanthseis gia ta qemata poy ton rwtoyn synadelfoi sas. H kybernhsh akoloyqei mia poly sygkekrimenh politikh. Xairomai poy den briskete kapoio cegadi se ayth thn politikh -toylaxiston me thn erwthsh poy diatypwsate- kai briskete ws mono cegadi to oti h kybernhsh den exei kales yphresies dhmosiwn sxesewn. An kapoios proskeklhmenos se mia ekdhlwsh den qelei na parastei, einai dikaiwma toy. Kai ayto den synista aprepeia, pantote.\nApo thn allh, omws, den qa prepei, dia ths plagias odoy, na xrhsimopoioyntai tetoioy eidoys prosxhmata: eite oti h prosklhsh efqase me sxetikh kaqysterhsh, eite oti den exoyme labei apanthsh se allh epistolh mas kai oti aytos einai logos na mhn proselqoyme se mia ekdhlwsh. Qewrw oti ayta einai asteioi isxyrismoi, einai poly katwtera twn epixeirhmatwn poy prepei na xrhsimopoioyme se mia periodo san ki ayth sthn opoia briskomaste shmera. Kata ta alla, h entajh ths xwras mas sthn ONE einai ena epiteygma. Einai poly shmantiko gegonos, apo ta pio shmantika gegonota sthn istorikh poreia ths xwras. Pisteyoyme oti h anadeijh egine me analogo tropo apo oles tis pleyres, oxi mono apo thn kybernhsh, alla kai apo toys koinwnikoys foreis poy endiaferontai gia tis eyergetikes synepeies poy paragei ayto to epiteygma. Kai bebaiws, sthn kaqhmerinh zwh mas, ta epomena xronia, qa mporesoyme na antilhfqoyme, akomh perissotero, ti shmainei, sthn prajh pleon, h entajh ths Elladas sthn ONE.\nShmera, hdh, exete mia anakoinwsh -kai menw se ena xarakthristiko paradeigma, poy apotelei kai aceydh martyra gi` ayth thn poly qetikh ejelijh- gia th qeamatikh ptwsh twn epitokiwn. Antilambaneste ti shmainei ayto gia thn kaqhmerinh zwh twn politwn. Emeis prospaqoyme, loipon, efarmozontas sygkekrimenh politikh, na beltiwsoyme tis synqhkes ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs twn politwn. Ayto einai to xreos mas. Se ayto antapokrinomaste. Ola ta alla, exoyn th shmasia toys kai qa prepei na ta syzhtoyme kai na ta antimetwpizoyme, me ypeyqyno kai cyxraimo tropo, oxi epipolaia, oxi xrhsimopoiwntas synqhmata, oxi katafeygontas se paraplanhtikoys isxyrismoys. Giati ayto ginetai kata koron, thn teleytaia periodo. Dystyxws!\nMIXAHL: To gegonos oti aytoi oi paraplanhtikoi isxyrismoi, omws, sygkinoyn kapoioys sympolites mas poy deixnoyn oti teinoyn eyhkoon oys se aytoys toys isxyrismoys, se ayta ta epixeirhmata, sas problhmatizei; Dhladh, mhpws apo thn pleyra sas den exete kanei kati, gia na mporesete na mpeite ligo sth syneidhsh toy mesoy Ellhna gyrw apo ayto to qema me apotelesma na briskoyn edafos aytoi oi paraplanhtikoi isxyrismoi;\nREPPAS: Mas problhmatizei ston idio baqmo poy mas problhmatizei kai to gegonos oti to pososto poy phrame stis teleytaies ekloges den htan fer` eipein 80%, alla htan 43%. Giati, bebaiws, otan exeis mia politikh, h opoia einai poly shmantikh gia th xwra kai qewreis oti apodidei, pisteyeis oti thn politikh ayth qa thn ensternistei h syntriptikh pleiochfia toy eklogikoy swmatos, epeidh h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn, se pososto panw apo 70-75%, dexetai oti h entajh sthn ONE, einai ena poly shmantiko epiteygma. Stis ekloges, bebaiws, yparxei mia allh apotypwsh ths protimhshs toy eklogikoy swmatos. Ayto se problhmatizei, alla einai kati to opoio anameneis kiolas. Den einai kati poy se aifnidiazei. Se problhmatizei, me thn ennoia oti prepei na ergasteis gia na ayjhseis ayto to pososto, se mia epomenh eklogikh anametrhsh. Den se aifnidiazei, omws, giati oyai kai alimono an fqaname se pososta omoiomorfias. Gnwrizete oti ayto den einai kai xarakthristiko twn dhmokratikwn politeymatwn.\nMIXAHL: Blepoyme, tis teleytaies hmeres, meta kai to syllalhthrio, diafora kybernhtika stelexh h boyleytes toy PASOK -epitrecte moy th frash- na apostasiopoioyntai apo th grammh poy h kybernhsh epimona, mesw ymwn kai allwn ypoyrgwn ekfrazei. Arxise, me thn protash gia paraithsh toy k. Staqopoyloy, na dhmioyrgeitai ena arnhtiko klima. Alloi lene ``edw kai twra na paroyme prwtoboylia, me kaqe tropo, gia ena dialogo, giati den paei allo''. Alloi lene ``qa to plhrwsoyme syntoma, giati mas egkataleipei o kosmos'', dhmosiws h idiwtikws. Olo ayto to klima se poio baqmo pisteyete eseis oti sas afora;\nREPPAS: Ma, ayto einai to megaleio ths Dhmokratias. Ta politika kommata sthn Ellada einai organwmena dhmokratika. Den einai dogmatika, oyte stis apoceis poy ekfrazoyn, poly perissotero, ston tropo me ton opoio leitoyrgoyn. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti ayto synista pleonekthma. Den einai meionekthma. Giati, bebaiws, sto dhmokratiko politeyma mas, ta politika kommata, ws qesmoi, qa prepei na ekfrazoyn to synolo, an einai dynaton, twn politwn. Oi apoceis oi opoies diatypwnontai sthn koinwnikh bash, qa prepei na exoyn thn aphxhsh toys kai sthn politikh koryfh. Emeis den eimaste yper ths monokalliergeias, den eimaste monodiastatoi. Apo thn allh, h kybernhsh, thn opoia sthrizei h pleiochfia twn boyleytwn ths ellhnikhs Boylhs, exei sygkekrimenh politikh, thn opoia exei diatypwsei. Kai einai krystallinh kai safhs. Tiqetai se efarmogh. Kai den yparxei opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh apo toys boyleytes, gia thn kybernhsh poy efarmozei thn politikh ayth. Sthrizoyn ayth thn kybernhsh.\nPAPADHMHTRIOY: Poio einai to sxolio sas, giati to prwi sto mnhmosyno toy Andrea Papandreoy den parabreqhkan arketoi boyleytes kai ypoyrgoi toy PASOK;\nREPPAS: Pisteyw oti ayto den shmainei elleich eyaisqhsias, oson afora thn apodosh timhs sto megalo hgeth, ton idryth toy PASOK, ton Andrea Papandreoy. Htan ekei ta melh ths oikogeneias toy, h hgesia toy PASOK kai ths kybernhshs. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti kai aytoi poy den parabriskontai se tetoies ekdhlwseis -giati maqame na metroyme ta panta me thn paroysia se mia ekdhlwsh, pleon, kai ayto den einai swsto- exoyn sth skech toys ton Andrea Papandreoy. Giati h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn gnwrise kalyteres synqhkes zwhs, ta prohgoymena xronia, me thn kaqodhghsh ths xwras apo ton Andrea Papandreoy. Einai o qemeliwths mias paratajhs poy prostateyei to dhmosio symferon kai ebale tis baseis gia na zoyn oi Ellhnes kalytera. Kai ayto nomizw oloi to qymoyntai kai to anagnwrizoyn.\nkyber2html v1.05c run on Friday, 23 June 2000 - 14:05:22 UTC