url: =Greek Government Press Briefing, 11-05-12\n--1427249692-19372107-1305232595=:25452 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT\nPempth, 12 Maioy 2011\nAriqmos Deltioy: 331517281\nAqhna, 12 Maioy 2011\nParakoloyqhsame, prin apo ligh wra, thn polydiafhmismenh kai ypotiqetai kostologhmenh protash ths N.D. kai toy k. Samara gia thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish.\nXairomaste poy mia seira apo protaseis, etsi opws emperiexontai sto programma toy k. Samara, einai hdh dikes mas, ylopoihmenes apofaseis, kaqws kai mia seira apo alles protaseis, einai toso anedafikes poy pragmatika xrhzoyn peraiterw epejergasias apo ton k. Samara kai apo th N.D.\nKai se ayto poy anefera, sto oti einai hdh dikes mas apofaseis, oi protaseis poy ekane o k. Samaras gia to mellon, qa moy epitrecete na anaferw endeiktika:\nEjhggeile thn katarghsh toy kwdika bibliwn kai stoixeiwn, otan emeis hdh to dromologoyme. Hdh, exei systaqei epitroph h opoia ergazetai panw se ayto to pragmatika poly sygkekrimeno kai krisimo qema gia toys epaggelmaties.\nEjhggeile thn aplopoihsh kai thn kwdikopoihsh ths forologikhs nomoqesias. Profanws, o k. Samaras kai oi epiteleis toy parakoloyqoyn apo konta tis ergasies ths kybernhshs. Na ypenqymisw oti se omilia toy k. Papakwnstantinoy stis 9 Maioy 2011, perigrafetai ep` akribws, h apofash kai o sxediasmos aytoy toy megaloy project.\nEjhggeile thn katarghsh toy poqen esxes se ola ta eidh ths katoikias gia tria xronia. Emeis, hdh, exoyme apofasisei kai perasei me nomo thn katarghsh toy poqen esxes ths prwths katoikias gia dyo xronia, etsi wste na paei mprosta h oikodomh.\nEjhggeile to perioysiologio. Emeis, hdh, me to nomo 3842/2010 qespisame synoliko perioysiologio, enw hdh xrhsimopoioyme to perioysiologio gia tis diastayrwseis twn akinhtwn.\nEjhggeile symchfismo twn ofeilwn toy dhmosioy. Emeis hdh apofasisame kai nomoqethsame ton symchfismo me to nomo 3943/2011 me sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis kai apaithseis oi opoies symchfizontai.\nEjhggeile fast track mikroterwn ependysewn kai epixeirhsewn, otan hdh brisketai pros chfish sth Boylh to fast track gia tis mikroteres epixeirhseis kai ependyseis. O k. Samaras h den to gnwrizei h en pash periptwsei to yioqetei kai ayto.\nPragmatika xairomaste, giati pera ap` ola ta alla, h N.D. arxise na deixnei toylaxiston, ena ixnos ajiopistias. Bebaia, h dikh mas diafora me th N.D. einai oti ola ayta emeis, ta entassoyme se ena synoliko plaisio gia thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish, mesa sto mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio, enw o k. Samaras epistrefei jana sto parelqon. Milaei gia epanekkinhsh. Den prokeitai gia epanekkinhsh, toylaxiston s` ayto, alla gia epistrofh sto parelqon. Giati polles ap` aytes tis protaseis erxetai kai tis anadeiknyei ws paroxes. Janagyrizei sthn paroxologia toy parelqontos.\nPragmatika, qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti apo edw kai pera, o k. Samaras kai h N.D. qa synaisqanqoyn thn poly megalh eyqynh poy exoyn ws komma ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, yioqetwntas estw kai me ayton ton tropo, protaseis kai apofaseis poy einai poly shmantikes gia thn politikh kai thn oikonomikh mas zwh.\nMia seira apo astoxies kai ablecies poy paroysiase shmera sto Zappeio, emeis, hdh, tis epejergazomaste. Qa tis ejhghsoyme leptomerws kai qa tis ejeidikeysoyme.\nO k. Samaras, den mas eipe, gia paradeigma, poso htan to elleimma toy 2009, etsi wste na jekinhsei apo mia bash gia na kostologei kai na dromologei thn ypotiqemenh anaptyjh.\nDen mas eipe poy qa brei ta xrhmata gia kapoies peraiterw paroxes, tis opoies ejhggeile apo to Zappeio 2.\nO k. Samaras, estw kai thn teleytaia stigmh - akomh yparxei xronos - as dei to paradeigma ths Portogalias, to opoio epikaleitai, opoy ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs ypegracan th desmeysh toys, oti an erqoyn sthn kybernhsh qa thrhsoyn ayto to mnhmonio poy apofasise h kybernhsh.\nO k. Samaras, as antilhfqei oti se ayto to mhxanismo sthrijhs, ton opoio bgainei kai katakrinei, perilambanontai mia seira apo apofaseis, tis opoies fernei shmera ws protaseis.\nGia to eqniko kai to koino kalo, pragmatika perimenoyme mia sobarh politikh apo th N.D. Perimenoyme na antilambanetai kai na ylopoiei osa ejaggellei. Fysika, xairetizoyme ta qetika, ean yparxoyn. Qa ta epejergastoyme kai pragmatika, an yparxoyn protaseis poy qewroyme oti einai gia to kalo ths xwras, emeis safws qa symfwnhsoyme, qa synainesoyme kai qa tis yioqethsoyme. Alla, toylaxiston, h taktikh ths N.D. as ginei pio eilikrinhs. Giati, epanalambanw, polles ap` aytes tis protaseis, einai apofaseis tis opoies o k. Samaras den exei chfisei.\nGia paradeigma as mas pei, giati katachfise sth Boylh to nomosxedio gia thn hlektronikh diakybernhsh, otan stoixeia ap` ayto to nomosxedio poy einai poly shmantiko gia thn patajh ths grafeiokratias kai gia thn ejyphrethsh toy Ellhna polith, perilambanontai stis shmerines toy ejaggelies. Einai mia antifash, apo thn opoia profanws, h N.D. den mporei na bgei, desmia kai toy parelqontos ths, alla kai twn shmerinwn epilogwn toy k. Samara. Elpizoyme, omws, oti ayto poy kanoyme ws ekklhsh emeis apo thn prwth stigmh poy analabame, dhladh thn eqnikh synennohsh, na thn antilhfqei h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh kai na thn kanoyme prajh gia to kalo ths xwras mas.\nMOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Proedros ths N.D. shmera kateqese th dikh toy synolikh protash gia thn oikonomia. Wstoso, sto politiko ths skelos proejoflhse oti oydemia synainesh qa yparjei me mia kybernhsh h opoia kata ton idio, akoloyqei mia teleiws esfalmenh poreia. Eseis synexizete kai shmera na apeyqynete ekklhsh gia eqnikh synennohsh kai malista prin apo ena lepto peripoy eipate oti elpizoyme na yparjei eqnikh synennohsh gia to kalo ths xwras. Poy brisketai, loipon, ayto to zhtoymeno, poy eseis onomazete paneqnikh systrateysh, exontas pleon kai thn prosfath arnhsh toy k. Samara;\nPETALWTHS: Oi antifaseis toy kommatos ths N.D., genikotera alla kai eidikotera shmera, mesa apo to Zappeio 2, einai ejairetika polles. H antifash synistatai sto oti yioqetei dikes mas apofaseis poy hdh apoteloyn nomo toy kratoys. Einai megales tomes kai metarryqmiseis. Bebaia, tis paroysiazei ws protaseis gia to mellon ths N.D.\nDen mporei na paradexqei rhta, oti aytos o mhxanismos sthrijhs ston opoio mphkame htan anagkaios, oti ayto to programma to opoio hdh ylopoiei h kybernhsh mesa apo to mnhmonio, alla kai to mesoproqesmo sxedio, einai synolikos sxediasmos gia th xwra, einai h monh lysh ejodoy apo thn krish. Aytes tis antifaseis kaleitai na diorqwsei o k. Samaras. Na stamathsei na einai desmios olwn aytwn twn diastayroymenwn kai polles fores antifatikwn politikwn ths N.D., gia na mporesoyme, epiteloys, na milame gia to kalo ths xwras.\nMOYRELATOS: Na anadiatypwsw to erwthma. H epiteyjh synaineshs einai proypotiqemenh synqhkh gia thn epityxia ths xwras, toso sto oikonomiko, oso kai sto politiko skelos;\nPETALWTHS: Emeis zhtame th synainesh kyriws gia to mellon ths xwras. Einai mia diarkhs prosklhsh kai proklhsh gia oles tis politikes dynameis, kyriws omws, gia thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh h opoia kai ferei barews thn eyqynh gia to pws fqasame shmera mexri edw. Giati, se mia koinoboyleytikh dhmokratia kai kyriws se mia xwra poy paroysiazei ayta ta problhmata -briskomaste sthn koryfwsh mias krishs - h synainesh einai zhtoymenh kai apaitoymenh, prokeimenoy na mporesoyme na bgoyme apo thn krish.\nSIDERHS: Giati na sas deijei synainesh h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh; Thn kalesate otan ypografate ayto to mnhmonio poy telika einai apotyxhmeno; Enw den moirasthke thn eyqynh ths dhmioyrgias toy na moirastei mazi sas thn apotyxia toy;\nPETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, thn apotyxia toy, shmera, o k. Samaras thn anairei, otan yioqetei mia seira apo politikes. Apo ekei kai pera, safws kai thn kalesame, otan htan na chfistei ayto to mnhmonio. Htan paroysa sthn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Tote, phre mia qesh eqnika aneyqynh kai gia to mhxanismo, alla kai gia to mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio. Kalesame kai eggrafws malista, toys arxhgoys twn politikwn kommatwn na erqoyn, na kataqesoyn kai na syzhthsoyn tis protaseis toys, giati einai poly shmantiko gia mas, oti kataqetoyme gia th xwra, ena strathgiko plaisio poy jeperna mia koinoboyleytikh kai mia kybernhtikh qhteia. Parola ayta, h N.D., mesa se ena tetarto, xwris thn paramikrh protash aperrice ayth thn prosklhsh. Gi` ayto, akribws, leme oti estw kai twra, h N.D. as deijei mia stoixeiwdh ypeyqynothta. As deijei oti epiteloys antilambanetai to poly megalo xreos kai baros poy exei apenanti sth xwra, oxi apenanti sthn kybernhsh. Apenanti sto mellon ths xwras. Epiteloys as synaisqanqei tis eyqynes ths.\nZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate nwritera pws an kapoies apo tis protaseis poy aneptyje shmera o k. Samaras qewrhqei h kriqei swsth qa yioqethqei apo thn kybernhsh. Dyo erwthmata: Prwton, se poies qa briskate kapoio pedio synennohshs, ap' aytes poy aneptyje o k. Samaras kai deyteron, pws apantate sto oti to proejoflhse ayto, legontas oti einai ``protaseis paketo'', einai synoliko sxedio kai oxi protaseis poy qa mporoysan na yioqethqoyn mia-mia apo alles politikes paratajeis.\nPETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola qa htan akairo kai arketa epipolaio mesa se mish wra na topoqethqoyme gia oles tis protaseis ths N.D. Emeis kanoyme mia genikh politikh topoqethsh. Kai fysika h sobarothta twn peristasewn katadeiknyei thn anagkh na yparxei mia leptomerhs diereynhsh twn protasewn ths N.D., toylaxiston aytwn poy emfanws exoyn kapoia sobarothta - kai den einai oles, bebaiws, etsi- kai apo ekei kai pera qa topoqethqoyme epishmws kai tekmhriwmena. Apo ekei kai pera, to ti qa yioqethsoyme emeis ws apoch kai to ti oxi, den mporei na mas to epibalei kaneis. Shmera, den fanhke oti ola ayta poy eipe o k. Samaras einai entagmena se ena synoliko strathgiko plaisio gia thn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish. Einai skorpies protaseis, oi opoies einai apofaseis dikes mas. Einai skorpies protaseis oi opoies, kapoies ap' aytes, einai teleiws astoxes, me entono laikismo kai entonh paroxologia. Ekei, akribws, perimename apo ton k. Samara na einai pio ypeyqynos. Na ypobalei, shmera, ston ellhniko lao mia synolikh protash ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs ths xwras gia thn ejodo apo thn krish. Kati poy dystyxws den eidame shmera.\nPAPPA: Qelete na kanete kapoio sxolio, kyrie Ekproswpe, gia ta epeisodia poy eginan xqes sto kentro ths Aqhnas kai ton barytato traymatismo anqrwpwn;\nPETALWTHS: Yparxei sxetikh anakoinwsh moy. Epishs, yparxei anakoinwsh ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias, poy eixe kai thn epixeirhsiakh eyqynh ths diasfalishs ths tajhs stis xqesines diadhlwseis. Einai safes kai aytonohto oti ekfrazoyme thn poly megalh lyph mas gia ton traymatismo anqrwpwn, kaqws kai gia ton bary traymatismo enos sympolith mas. Hdh, apo thn prwth stigmh o Arxhgos ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias exei diatajei anakritikh diereynhsh gia to pws eginan ta xqesina epeisodia kai poy ofeilontai oi traymatismoi aytoi, paroysia Eisaggelews, eisaggelikoy leitoyrgoy kai iatrodikasth, oi opoioi episkefqhkan to Nosokomeio Nikaias. Alla, fysika, den mporoyme na mhn staqoyme sto gegonos oti kapoioi th bia th blepoyn monomerws. Kai kapoioi, ypotiqetai oti einai aytoi poy katadikazoyn th bia, einai kai aytoi poy thn prokaloyn, th dhmioyrgoyn h thn anexontai. Gi' ayton akribws ton logo, shmera, qa perimename apo ton Synaspismo kai ton SYRIZA na mas poyn ti zhtoysan oi dyo boyleytes toys, o k. Lafazanhs kai h ka Diwth, xqes, sto Geniko Kratiko Nosokomeio Nikaias. Oi opoioi phgan, af' enos men na elegjoyn tis astynomikes Arxes ti kanoyn ekei kai af' eteroy breqhkan me mia omada anqrwpwn oi opoioi sthn kyriolejia me enan tropo aparadekto eisebalan se ena kratiko Nosokomeio, dhmioyrghsan katastaseis biaiopragias, biaiopraghsan kata twn armodiwn Arxwn kai ola ayta paroysia Eisaggelea. Arnhqhkan, malista, na epitrecoyn ston iatrodikasth na kanei th doyleia toy.\nLoipon, h bia qa prepei na katadikazetai ap' opoy ki an proerxetai. Qa prepei na yparjei kai qa yparjei, plhrhs dialeykansh kai diereynhsh sto poy ofeilontai oi traymatismoi kai poios eyqynetai gia toys traymatismoys twn diadhlwtwn. Apo ekei kai pera omws o SYRIZA, gia allh mia fora, deixnei akribws to pws aisqanetai thn dhmokratikh leitoyrgia, to pws antimetwpizei thn bia kai th nomimothta. Nomimothta se kamia morfh bias den yparxei. Kai malista otan feretai ws aytodikia kai poly perissotero otan ginetai mesa s' ena noshleytiko idryma, opws einai to Kratiko Nosokomeio ths Nikaias.\nPAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws eidate thn anakoinwsh twn giatrwn ths Nikaias, poy miloyn gia barytates eyqynes toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs;\nPETALWTHS: Nai, diabasa thn anakoinwsh ths topikhs epitrophs ths EINAP, opoy pragmatika, enw perimena na dw thn iatrikh toys apoch kai fysika thn apoch toys ws syndikalistikoy organoy kai ws politwn, alla me thn idiothta twn giatrwn, anti loipon na blepoyme na katadikazontai biaies symperifores kai oi traymatismoi ap` opoy kai an proerxontai, diabasa para polla gia to ``kako mnhmonio''. Dhladh, mia politikh analysh poy den eixe kamia sxesh me to iatriko leitoyrghma poy klhqhkan na askhsoyn osoi thn ypegracan xqes sto Kratiko Nosokomeio Nikaias kai mia kaphleia, pragmatika, analogh me ayth twn boyleytwn toy SYRIZA. Qa prepei, loipon, na eimaste poly prosektikoi. Qa prepei pragmatika na mhn anexomaste th bia. Qa prepei pragmatika na diereynoyme, otan yparxei yperbash bias akomh kai apo kratika organa. Gi` ayto, h kybernhsh exei dwsei entolh gia diereynhsh twn gegonotwn. Alla, den mporoyme na dianohqoyme tetoioy eidoys symperifores, alla kai logikes, eite apo boyleytes ypotiqemenoy aristeroy kommatos, eite apo giatroys oi opoioi thn wra poy yparxei barys traymatismos enos sympolith mas, na katakrinoyn to mnhmonio kai tis politikes ths kybernhshs.\nKOYTRAS: Qelw na janagyrisw ston k. Samara kai sta osa eipe shmera. Kai nomizw oti exei ena atoy o k. Samaras. Kai to atoy toy einai h apotyxia toy mnhmonioy k. Ekproswpe. Giati mporei na ton kathgoreite gia paroxologia, gia laikismo - kai kapoios mporei na diafwnhsei, na symfwnhsei h na kanei o,ti qelei- wstoso exei to atoy ths apotyxias toy mnhmonioy.\nPETALWTHS: Kata thn apoch sas, profanws h toy k. Samara...\nKOYTRAS: Kata thn apoch kai ths kybernhshs, apo th stigmh poy pame gia neo mnhmonio.\nPETALWTHS: Kaqoloy. H kybernhsh oyte eipe pote, oyte prokeitai na pei, giati den exei thn apoch, oti apetyxe to mnhmonio. Qa prepei na ypenqymisoyme, prwta ston k. Samara alla kai pros oloys, oti an den yphrxe ayto to mnhmonio, ean den askoysame th sygkekrimenh politikh, shmera 18 mhnes meta thn analhch ths kybernhshs ths xwras apo to PASOK, den qa mporoyse o k. Samaras me mia poly megalh asfaleia, na diatypwnei tis protaseis toy sto Zappeio 2 h argotera sto Zappeio 3, den jerw ti qa akoloyqhsei, giati basizetai, akribws, panw sto oti h xwra den exei ptwxeysei. Giati, an pragmatika den yphrxe to mnhmonio, an den akoloyqoysame thn politikh poy akoloyqhsame, san bash kai an akoloyqoysame, poly perissotero, thn politikh ths kybernhshs ths N.D., opoy ypoyrgos ths htan o k. Samaras, qa eixe katastrafei h xwra pro polloy. Ara, tetoies logikes, oti exei apotyxei to mnhmonio, einai logikes ypokrisias. Ekeino to opoio exoyme na poyme, einai oti yparxei krish kai ayto einai safestato. To oti den exoyme fygei apo thn krish den shmainei oti apetyxe to mnhmonio. Oyte eixe yposxeqei kaneis, prin ena xrono, oti se ena xrono den qa yparxei krish kai oti se ena xrono qa exoyme mhdenisei ta elleimmata, opws eipe sto Zappeio 1 o k. Samaras. Ara, panw s` ayto to mnhmonio, sthn politikh aytoy toy mnhmonioy kaqetai shmera o k. Samaras gia na mporei na diatympanizei tis apoceis toy. Kapoies apo tis opoies einai swstes kai kapoies einai paroxologies kai xaidema aytiwn.\nKOYTRAS: To neo mnhmonio h to neo plaisio, peite to opws qelete, as to poyme mesoproqesmo, pote qa exoyme mia sygkekrimenh ekqesh ths kybernhshs to ti perilambanei; Pote qa enhmerwqei o kosmos; Giati akoyme metra apo dw, pwlhsh ths dhmosias perioysias apo ekei, nea daneika, oxi daneika kai nomizw oti olh h ellhnikh koinwnia kai oi boyleytes sas, einai ligo xamenoi.\nPETALWTHS: Nai. Mono poy, kyrie Koytra, ayta ta akoyme apo esas. Den ta akoyei h koinwnia apo emas. Emeis exoyme pei jekaqara oti yparxei ena mnhmonio. Den yparxei neo mnhmonio. Gia neo mnhmonio, akoyme apo ta Mesa. Yparxei ena mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio...\nPETALWTHS: Mhn me diakoptete.\nKOYTRAS: Qa sas diakocw, miso lepto: Gia to neo mnhmonio akoysame apo anwtato stelexos toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn. Sygnwmh.\nPETALWTHS: Poio einai ayto to stelexos;\nKOYTRAS: Stelexos toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn. Mh moy zhtate na ton katonomasw.\nPETALWTHS: Ma tote ti moy lete; Ara, to akoyme apo esas.\nKOYTRAS: Oxi. Stelexos toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, thn Trith to apogeyma, milhse gia neo mnhmonio.\nPETALWTHS: Nai... Poio einai ayto to stelexos;\nKOYTRAS: E, den qa sas ton katonomasw. Ton prostateyw.\nPETALWTHS: Ean den ton katonomasete, den isxyei h plhroforia sas. Epanalambanw, loipon, oti gia neo mnhmonio akoyei h ellhnikh koinwnia apo ta MME. Den yparxei neo mnhmonio, den yparxoyn ola ayta poy akoygontai. Ayto poy yparxei einai mia poly megalh epejergasia enos mesoproqesmoy strathgikoy sxedioy, to opoio einai xronika dromologhmeno. Qa katateqei thn epomenh ebdomada, etsi opws eixame pei kai qa chfistei peripoy se ena mhna. Qa katateqei sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai qa perilambanei o,ti prepei na perilambanei ena strathgiko sxedio poy einai pentaetoys pnohs kai mas bgazei, ws sxediasmo, apo thn krish. Kai fysika, apo th stigmh poy qa katateqei sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, qa egkriqei kai qa katateqei kai sth Boylh gia na tyxei ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias. Tote, o ellhnikos laos qa enhmerwqei, gi` ayto to mesoproqesmo sxedio. To opoio mesoproqesmo den einai mia syrrafh protasewn, einai ena oloklhrwmeno plaisio, xronika dromologhmeno, plhrws kostologhmeno kai to opoio qa dinei thn pnoh mias oloklhrhs pentaetias gia to mellon ths xwras.\nPITTARAS: Otan zhtate th synainesh ths antipoliteyshs, qa prepei na dwsete kat' arxhn eseis to synqhma, pws thn ennoeite ayth th synainesh. Egw adynatw na pistecw oti eseis, ap' osa eipe o k. Samaras, den briskete oyte ena na mporeite na synainesete...\nPETALWTHS: Den eipa ayto.\nPITTARAS: ... 'H einai laqos ola ayta poy eixe pei o k. Samaras h einai swsta ta dika sas.\nPETALWTHS: Oxi. Isa-isa, eipa akribws oti epifylassomeqa na apanthsoyme mia pros mia stis protaseis toy k. Samara. S' aytes poy einai hdh dikes mas apofaseis kai apoteloyn kai nomo toy ellhnikoy kratoys, den qa apanthsoyme. Apanthsame me thn prajh mas. Oses omws protaseis qewrhsoyme oti pragmatika einai logikes kai oti mporei na symbaloyn sthn ejodo ths xwras apo thn krish, safws kai qa tis yioqethsoyme. Ayto, omws, xreiazetai mia epejergasia, gia na mporoyme na leme oti eimaste sobaroi.\nPITTARAS: Oi protaseis poy aforoyn ston poly kosmo kai exoyn na kanoyn me th meiwsh ths forologias poy akoysthke h me tis protaseis gia thn prwth katoikia tis qewreite eseis ws mh ylopoihsimes, ektos pragmatikothtas;\nPETALWTHS: Ma, gia thn prwth katoikia, emeis hdh to exoyme ylopoihsei. Oson afora th meiwsh twn forologikwn syntelestwn, yparxei kai ws dikh mas apofash. Alla gia tis megales meiwseis twn forologikwn syntelestwn h gia tis diaforetikes meiwseis twn forologikwn syntelestwn opws eipe o k. Samaras, ean erqoyme aplws na tis yioqethsoyme gia na ``xaidecoyme ta aftia'' toy kosmoy, einai para poly eykolo. Gi' ayto lew oti emeis ola ayta ta entassoyme - kai tis apofaseis mas, alla kai thn tyxon yioqethsh protasewn toy k. Samara- se ena synolikotero plaisio. Den ``xaideyoyme aftia'', den kanoyme anejodh paroxologia, opws se kapoia shmeia toylaxiston ekane shmera o k. Samaras.\nPITTARAS: Epishs, thn proklhsh poy sas aphyqyne peri eklogwn pws einai kalodexoymenes ean qelete na tis kanete;\nPETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme pei thn apoch mas gia tis ekloges. Exoyme poly dromo mprosta mas. Eimaste se ligotero apo to meso mias tetraetias kai malista se epoxes poy kaqe skech gia ekloges mono blaptikh gia ton idio ton lao qa htan. Bebaia, o k. Samaras den eipe gia ekloges. Prospaqhse na ``rijei to mpalaki'' sthn kybernhsh. Toso kairo, erxetai kai katakrinei ta panta. Pantws, den exei milhsei gia ekloges. Ws gnwston, emeis exoyme jekaqarisei oti den prokeitai na ginoyn ekloges. Eimaste makria apo opoiadhpote tetoia skech. Exoyme, de, tekmhriwsei giati oi ekloges shmera qa hsan katastrofikes gia th xwra. Twra, to ti kanei kai to ti leei o k. Samaras h kai ti den leei mesa apo tis antifaseis toy, einai diko toy qema.\nMPEKA: Gia to qema twn allodapwn: Poy paei h ypoqesh, kyrie Petalwth, me toys allodapoys; Xqes, esfajan enan 'Ellhna. To brady maxairwsan enan allodapo apo to Mpagklantes. Stis 4 h wra exoyme diamartyria sto shmeio poy peqane o 44xronos. Prin ligo kairo h ka Ntalara eixe pei oti osoi den exoyn adeia paramonhs, qa fygoyn apo th xwra. Ayto pote qa ginei;\nPETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola einai mia katastash poy den einai shmerinh. En pollois, ayth h katastash yparxei edw kai polla xronia. Den einai mia katastash poy oloklhrwqhke kai dhmioyrghqhke shmera, xqes h ton teleytaio enamish xrono. Emeis epejergazomaste ena oloklhrwmeno sxedio gia to kentro ths Aqhnas, giati epiteloys dikaioymaste oloi na exoyme prosbash sto kentro, prosbash me asfaleia kai me sigoyria gia th zwh mas kai gia thn anaptyjh ths perioxhs. Ayto to sxedio, se poly liges meres, qa anakoinwqei. Einai sxedio to opoio den perilambanei eykola astynomika metra, opws ginotan sto parelqon h opws qa mporoyse kaneis shmera na pei ypo to baros twn poly dysarestwn ejelijewn, alla apaiteitai oloklhrwmenos sxediasmos se polla epipeda kai oxi fysika mono se astynomiko epipedo. Ayto prospaqoyme na kanoyme. Qa proteinoyme sxedio to opoio einai oloklhrwmeno, to opoio exei jekaqarh antilhch gia to pws qa prepei na anamorfwqei to kentro ths Aqhnas, prokeimenoy na apokthsei jana ton poly shmantiko xarakthra poy eixe kapote kai poy prepei na anakthsei gia th zwh sthn prwteyoysa.\nMPEKA: Ayto shmainei oti oi allodapoi qa fygoyn apo to istoriko kentro;\nPETALWTHS: Ayto einai para poly aploysteytiko kai kaneis den mporei na to pei. Omws, h nomimothta qa einai ena stoixeio, to opoio qa prepei na kyriarxei, epiteloys, kai sto kentro ths Aqhnas, se antiqesh me o,ti symbainei ta teleytaia xronia.\nMARAQIAS: Hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Ean telikws den yparjei synainesh politikwn kai koinwnikwn dynamewn sto programma poy qa anakoinwsete, qa proxwrhsete monoi sas h qa pate se ekloges;\nPETALWTHS: Emeis, oytws h allws, mexri twra proxwroyme xwris th synainesh, dystyxws, ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Th zhtame omws, giati ayto einai eqnika epibeblhmeno. Den prokeitai na afhsoyme th xwra na katarreysei, epeidh den yparxei synainesh, alla qa htan poly shmantiko stoixeio - kai einai poly shmantiko stoixeio gia thn ejodo apo thn krish - na exoyme th synainesh twn politikwn dynamewn, oi opoies kapote qa prepei na arqoyn sto ycos twn peristasewn. Gi' ayto akribws eipa prohgoymenws oti o k. Samaras, otan mila gia thn Portogalia, pera apo ola ta anakoloyqa poy exei pei mexri twra kai poy den isxyoyn - giati h Portogalia einai mia allh periptwsh, thn opoia o k. Samaras den mporoyse na dianohqei gia thn Ellada - as dei to stoixeio ths synaineshs, to opoio yparxei, gia na bgei h xwra ayth apo thn krish. Akomh kai ypografh yphrxe apo thn antipoliteysh, oti ean kerdisei tis ekloges, qa thrhsei toys oroys ths symfwnias poy exei kanei h portogalikh kybernhsh. Makari na blepame estw kai liga h makari na doyme kai kapoia stoixeia tetoias symperiforas kai apo ton k. Samara.\nGARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh milate gia synainesh stis politikes dynameis toy topoy, synainesh zhthse kai o k. 'Oli Ren milwntas sto Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio kai malista proxwrhse kai ena bhma pio pera, xarakthrizontas ceydepigrafh kaqe allh enallaktikh lysh sto sxedio poy ylopoieitai shmera. Exete ep' aytoy kapoio sxolio;\nPETALWTHS: Ayto poy profanws kapoioi den mporoyn na antilhfqoyn sthn eswterikh politikh skhnh - kai ayth einai h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh - einai aytonohto oti qa eprepe na ginei apo ton Epitropo ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. O k. 'Oli Ren epibebaiwnei ayth thn anagkaiothta. Emeis, omws, den perimename ton k. 'Oli Ren, o opoios probainei se mia poly tekmhriwmenh protash gia synainesh. Emeis, edw kai 18 mhnes, ayto kanoyme. Apeyqynoyme diarkh proklhsh kai prosklhsh, eidika sthn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, xwris na afhnei tis idiaiteres politikes proseggiseis ths. Kai malista, exw pei kat' epanalhch oti ean h apofash gia th synainesh einai baria gia th N.D., as milhsoyme epiteloys gia mia eqnikh synennohsh, prokeimenoy na mporesoyme oloi mazi na bgaloyme th xwra apo thn krish, oso to dynaton syntomotera.\nKEXAGIA: Mexri protinos gnwrizame oti to mesoproqesmo exei orizonta 2012-2015. Sas akoysa prohgoymenws na anaferesqe se ena 5etes programma poy qa dwsei pnoh sthn oikonomia. Epomenws, pame mexri to 2017;\nPETALWTHS: Oxi, an metrhsei kaneis ton xroniko orizonta 2011-2015, einai pente xronia.\nKEXAGIA: Emena den moy bgainei etsi h ariqmhtikh, pantws.\nPETALWTHS: Etsi bgainei. Metrhste apo to 2011 mexri kai to 2015, einai pente xronia. Makari na hmastan se qesh na mporoysame na kanoyme sxediasmo akomh megalyterhs diarkeias.\nMIXAHL: Exei problhma politikhs dieyqynshs h xwra, opws maqame oti eipe o k. Benizelos sth synedriash toy atypoy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy;\nPETALWTHS: Elpizw na maqate ti eipe akribws, giati ekane dhlwsh dhmosia, ti ennooyse ws ``politikh dieyqynsh''. Kai safws ``politikh dieyqynsh'' einai kai h synainesh - ayto poy leme - twn politikwn dynamewn, alla kai h prajh kai twn koinwnikwn dynamewn panw se sygkekrimenh kateyqynsh. O oros ``politikh dieyqynsh'' einai poly pio eyrys ap' oso ton antilambanomaste me mia prwth matia. Einai akomh kai episthmonika tekmhriwmenos oros. O k. Benizelos ejhghse leptomerws ti ennoei.\nPITTARAS: Pantws to prwi o k. Pagkalos oysiastika prokalese toys synadelfoys toy na poyn anoikta ean amfisbhtoyn ta kaqhkonta, opws toylaxiston ta askei o Prwqypoyrgos. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean o idios o Prwqypoyrgos aisqanetai oti amfisbhteitai apo orismenoys ypoyrgoys.\nPETALWTHS: Ennoeitai oti den aisqanetai kati tetoio kai ennoeitai oti den yparxei amfisbhthsh. Exw pei polles fores oti ayto to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio doyleyei stis pio dyskoles metapoliteytikes synqhkes kai makari th leitoyrgia aytoy toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy na thn eixame se parelqoyses kybernhseis.\nSIDERHS: O k. Giwrgos Panagiwtakopoylos, melos toy Politikoy Symboylioy toy PASOK, shmera metajy allwn eipe ``oi ekfrastes toy yes men\nprepei na teleiwnoyn''. Etsi niwqete;\nPETALWTHS: Egw proswpika;\nSIDERHS: Ws kybernhsh.\nPETALWTHS: Epanalambanw ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws oti ayth h kybernhsh doyleyei kai leitoyrgei me tetoio tropo, poy an leitoyrgoysan etsi prohgoymenes kybernhseis, den qa fqaname mexri edw.\nSIDERHS: Kai kati allo: Me poio PASOK na symfwnhsei o k. Samaras; Me to diko sas h toy Panagiwtakopoyloy; Dedomenoy oti kai h ka Diamantopoyloy eipe oti to miso PASOK einai kata toy mnhmonioy.\nPETALWTHS: Na mhn paizoyme me tis lejeis. To PASOK einai ena. Kai fysika yparxei kybernhsh me kyriarxh politikh boylhsh kai apofash.\nMOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete anaferqei dis shmera sthn portogalikoy typoy synainesh, h opoia einai en pollois anwqen epiblhqeisa, apo thn E.E.. Proetoimazete to edafos gia tetoia synainesh kai sthn Ellada; Qewreitai dhladh oti qa askhqoyn isxyres pieseis kai pros thn pleyra ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs gia na synainesei;\nPETALWTHS: Ma, ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws kai to lew kaqe fora, einai oti emeis den milame gia synainesh shmera. Milame gia synainesh edw kai 18 mhnes. Den einai kati to kainoyrgio. Opoy kai na cajete aytes oi anafores toy Prwqypoyrgoy yparxoyn panta, alla kai oi dikes moy sto epipedo ayto poy milame.\nKOYTRAS: Qa epiqymoysate parembash ths troikas sth N.D. , gia na sas dwsei th synainesh poy o k. Samaras kai shmera eipe oti den sas dinei;\nPETALWTHS: Elpizoyme, epanalambanw, oti h N.D. epiteloys qa synaisqanqei thn eqnikh ths eyqynh na erqei se mia eqnikh, toylaxiston, synennohsh, prokeimenoy na arqoyn aytes oi baries synepeies, tis opoies yfistameqa ws xwra, apo thn krish poy h idia h N.D. mas odhghse aqwrakistoys.\nMARAQIAS: Eseis ws kybernhsh, symfwneite politika kai qesmika me mia tetoia parembash apo thn troika; Dhladh na ypoxrewsei nte kai kala, ena komma toy Koinoboylioy kai malista thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, opws lene toylaxiston oi fhmes kai oi plhrofories, na ypogracei; Oxi mono na chfisei alla kai na ypogracei ena keimeno, opws synebh sthn Portogalia;\nPETALWTHS: Epi senariwn den qa apanthsw, fysika. H dikh mas boylhsh einai pragmatikh. H dikh mas prosklhsh gia eqnikh synennohsh einai pragmatikh kai apeyqynetai edw kai 18 oloklhroys mhnes.\nKEXAGIA: Pisteyete oti... ena arni xairetai prin apo to Pasxa;\nPETALWTHS: Nai. Einai ontws soyrealistikh h paroimia thn opoia apeyqyne o k. Samaras. Exei janaeipwqei. Kai h N.D. exei janapei paroimies, epi k. Karamanlh kai apodeixqhke oti ayto den ths bghke se kalo.\nKalo apogeyma. --1427249692-19372107-1305232595=:25452--\nkyber2html v1.05c run on Thursday, 12 May 2011 - 20:36:07 UTC


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url: = Baseis se AEI-TEI.\n Ypo elegxo h pyrkagia sth Salamina.\n Oristikopoihsh twn parembasewn gia forologikh metarryqmish.\n Olympiakoi Agwnes-Diypoyrgikh Epitroph-Shmiths-Proypologismos.\n Ypo elegxo teqhke h fwtia sthn Parnhqa.\nMetabolh qa paroysiasei o kairos apo tis nyxterines wres kai apo ta boreiodytika opoy qa shmeiwqoyn sporadikes broxes kai kataigides.\nTa fainomena ayta stadiaka qa entaqoyn kai qa epektaqoyn apo ayrio to apogeyma sto Ionio, thn ypoloiph hpeirwtikh xwra kai ta nhsia toy boreioy Aigaioy. Epishmainetai oti ta fainomena qa einai idiaitera entona kyriws sto boreio Ionio, thn Hpeiro,th dytikh Sterea,Qessalia, Makedonia kai to boreio Aigaio opoy qa synodeyontai apo isxyroys anemoys kai piqanwn xalazi.\nThn Paraskeyh qa epektaqoyn se olh sxedon th xwra alla stadiaka apo\nto apogeyma ta fainomena qa ejasqenhsoyn.\nTo Sabbatokyriako qa epikrathsoyn poly isxyroi boriades kai xamhles\nqermokrasies kyriws sth boreia Ellada.\nAnakoinwqhkan to prwi apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias oi baseis eisagwghs sta Panepisthmia kai sta Texnologika Ekpaideytika Idrymata. Kyrio xarakthristiko einai h ptwsh poy shmeiwnoyn oi baseis se oles tis sxoles ths tritobaqmias ekpaideyshs. Anodo shmeiwsan oi baseis mono se pente sxoles twn AEI kai treis twn TEI. H ptwsh twn basewn fqanei mexri kai 2.225 moria sta panepisthmia kai sta 1.653 sta TEI. H ychloterh bash shmeiwqhke sth sxolh Hlektrologwn- Mhxanikwn kai Mhxanikwn Ypologistwn toy Eqnikoy Metsobeioy Polytexneioy, opoy einai 18.907 moria kai h xamhloterh shmeiwqhke sthn Poimantikh kai Koinwnikh Qeologia Qessalonikhs me 10.351 moria. H xamhloterh bash sta TEI einai sto tmhma Ixqyokomeias-Alieias twn TEI Hpeiroy me 7.310 moria, dhladh meso oro 7,3. Oi onomastikes katastaseis twn epityxontwn qa anarthqoyn thn Paraskeyh se ola ta lykeia ths xwras enw oi endiaferomenoi qa mporoyn me ton kwdiko toys ariqmo kai ta arxika twn onomastikwn toys stoixeiwn na mpainoyn apo ayrio sthn istoselida toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias kai na enhmerwnontai gia ta apotelesmata kaqws kai apo to kentro ejyphrethshs politwn ston thlefwniko ariqmo 1464. O genikos grammateas toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias Aqanasios Tsoyroplhs dhlwse oti epi synoloy 98.205 ypochfiwn eishxqhsan 75.952, pososto 77,3%. Apo aytoys oi 40.044 eisagontai sta AEI kai oi 35.908 sta TEI.\nYpo elegxo brisketai ayth thn wra h fwtia poy jespase stis 03.50 ta jhmerwmata sth qesh Ntoyni anamesa sta Ampelakia kai Selinia ths Salaminas kaigontas dasikh ektash xwris omws na exei apeilhqei katoikhmenh perioxh. Sthn epixeirhsh katasbeshs symmetexoyn 60 pyrosbestes me 20 oxhmata, kaqws kai pezoporo tmhma ths EMAK kai ena elikoptero kai aeroplano.\nH oristikopoihsh twn parembasewn gia th forologikh metarryqmish anamenetai na apasxolhsei th synanthsh poy qa exei to prwi o prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Shmiths me thn hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Oi leptomereies ths forologikhs metarryqmishs anamenetai na anakoinwqoyn apo ton k. Shmith sto logo poy qa ekfwnhsei kata ta egkainia ths Dieqnoys Ekqesews Qessalonikhs.\nIdiaiterh prosoxh sthn pisth thrhsh toy Olympiakoy proypologismoy, zhthse epitaktika o prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Shmiths, milwntas shmera sta melh ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs. O k.Shmiths epanelabe oti oi entatikoi ryqmoi prepei na diathrhqoyn, ejefrase thn ikanopoihsh toy gia to oti ta ergotajia doylecan akomh kai thn ebdomada toy Dekapentaygoystoy, enw epeshmane oti den yparxoyn periqwria gia eswstrefeia twn forewn, se oti afora th diaxeirish twn programmatwn toys. O prwqypoyrgos anakoinwse oti stis 11 Septembrioy qa episkefqei to Pagkrhtio Stadio Hrakleioy, enw tis epomenes treis hmeres qa epiqewrhsei Olympiaka erga sthn Attikh. Epishs, opws egine gnwsto, to qema twn forologikwn kinhtrwn gia thn enoikiash spitiwn kata th diarkeia twn Agwnwn to 2004 den exei kleisei akomh, kaqws o Aqhna 2004 proteine forologhsh to poly 5%, enw to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn epimenei sto 20%. Telos, o k.Shmiths eixe kat'idian synanthsh me thn ka Aggelopoyloy, h opoia ton enhmerwse gia thn petyxhmenh proolympiakh diorganwsh, ston Agio Kosma.\nYpo elegxo teqhke to brady, h pyrkagia poy jespase to apogeyma sthn Parnhqa. H fwtia ekdhlwqhke se peykofyth perioxh sth qesh Tsoympa Fylhs kai logw twn isxyrwn anemwn poy pneoyn sthn perioxh, phre grhgora megales diastaseis. Stis prospaqeies katasbeshs pairnoyn meros oktw pyrosbestika aeroskafh, dyo elikoptera kai 15 oxhmata me 45 andres, prwto melhma twn opoiwn einai na antimetwpisoyn ta metwpa ekeina poy apeiloyn katoikhmenes perioxes.\nana2html v2.01 run on Wednesday, 28 August 2002 - 11:30:17 UTC


url: =Read Online Bible - Modern Greek Bible online on Jesus Work Ministry 1 Corinthians Chapter 9:1-27.\n1COR 9:1  Den eimai apostoloV; den eimai eleuqeroV; den eidon ton Ihsoun Criston ton Kurion hmwn; den eisqe seiV to ergon mou en Kuriw;\n1COR 9:2 An den hmai eiV allouV apostoloV, all' eiV esaV toulaciston eimai× dioti h sfragiV thV apostolhV mou seiV eisqe en Kuriw.\n1COR 9:3  H apologia mou eiV touV anakrinontaV me einai auth×\n1COR 9:4 mh den ecomen exousian na fagwmen kai na piwmen;\n1COR 9:5 mh den ecomen exousian na sumperiferwmen adelfhn gunaika, wV kai oi loipoi apostoloi kai oi adelfoi tou Kuriou kai o KhfaV;\n1COR 9:6 h monoV egw kai o BarnabaV den ecomen exousian na mh ergazwmeqa;\n1COR 9:7 TiV pote ekstrateuei me idia autou exoda; TiV futeuei ampelwna kai den trwgei ek tou karpou autou; h tiV poimainei poimnion kai den trwgei ek tou galaktoV tou poimniou;\n1COR 9:8 MhpwV kata anqrwpon lalw tauta; h den legei tauta kai o nomoV;\n1COR 9:9 dioti en tw nomw tou MwusewV einai gegrammenon× Den qeleiV emfraxei to stoma booV alwnizontoV. MhpwV melei ton Qeon peri twn bown;\n1COR 9:10 h di' hmaV bebaiwV legei touto; dioti di' hmaV egrafh, oti o arotriwn me elpida prepei na arotria, kai o alwnizwn me elpida na metech thV elpidoV autou.\n1COR 9:11 Ean hmeiV espeiramen eiV esaV ta pneumatika, mega einai ean hmeiV qeriswmen ta sarkika saV;\n1COR 9:12 Ean alloi metecwsi thV ef' umaV exousiaV, den prepei mallon hmeiV; Alla den meteceirisqhmen thn exousian tauthn, all' upoferomen panta, dia na mh proxenhswmen empodion ti eiV to euaggelion tou Cristou.\n1COR 9:13 Den exeurete oti oi ergazomenoi ta iera ek tou ierou trwgousin, oi enascoloumenoi eiV to qusiasthrion meta tou qusiasthriou lambanousi meridion;\n1COR 9:14 Outw kai o KurioV dietaxen, oi khruttonteV to euaggelion na zwsin ek tou euaggeliou.\n1COR 9:15  Plhn egw ouden toutwn meteceirisqhn. Oude egraya tauta dia na geinh outwV eiV eme× dioti kalon einai eiV eme na apoqanw mallon para na mataiwsh tiV to kauchma mou.\n1COR 9:16 Dioti ean khruttw to euaggelion, den einai eiV eme kauchma× epeidh anagkh epikeitai eiV eme× ouai de einai eiV eme ean den khruttw×\n1COR 9:17 epeidh ean kamnw touto ekousiwV, ecw misqon× ean de akousiwV, eimai empepisteumenoV oikonomian.\n1COR 9:18 TiV loipon einai o misqoV mou; to na kamw adapanon to euaggelion tou Cristou dia thV khruxewV mou, wste na mh kamnw katacrhsin thV exousiaV mou en tw euaggeliw.\n1COR 9:19  Dioti eleuqeroV wn pantwn eiV pantaV edoulwsa emauton, dia na kerdhsw touV pleioterouV×\n1COR 9:20 kai egeina eiV touV IoudaiouV wV IoudaioV, dia na kerdhsw touV IoudaiouV× eiV touV upo nomon wV upo nomon, dia na kerdhsw touV upo nomon×\n1COR 9:21 eiV touV anomouV wV anomoV, mh wn anomoV eiV ton Qeon, all' ennomoV eiV ton Criston, dia na kerdhsw anomouV×\n1COR 9:22 egeina eiV touV asqeneiV wV asqenhV, dia na kerdhsw touV asqeneiV× eiV pantaV egeina ta panta, dia na swsw panti tropw tinaV.\n1COR 9:23 Kamnw de touto dia to euaggelion, dia na geinw sugkoinwnoV autou.\n1COR 9:24  Den exeurete oti oi treconteV en tw stadiw panteV men trecousin, eiV omwV lambanei to brabeion; outw trecete, wste na labhte auto.\n1COR 9:25 PaV de o agwnizomenoV eiV panta egkrateuetai, ekeinoi men dia na labwsi fqarton stefanon, hmeiV de afqarton.\n1COR 9:26 Egw loipon outw trecw, ouci wV abebaiwV, outw pugmacw, ouci wV ktupwn ton aera,\n1COR 9:27 alla damazw to swma mou kai doulagwgw, mhpwV eiV allouV khruxaV egw geinw adokimoV.


url: =Tetarth, 30 Ioynioy 2010\nAriqmos Deltioy: 275832860\nAqhna, 30 Ioynioy 2010\nH xwra mas antimetwpizei mia prwtofanh krish, gia tis teleytaies dekaeties, sthn opoia mphkame plhrws anoxyrwtoi, logw twn gnwstwn xroniwn paqogeneiwn mas, alla kai ths egklhmatikhs aprajias ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs. To dilhmma poy paralabame, htan h swthria ths xwras me kaqe kostos h h xreokopia. Profanws, htan adianohto gia mas na epitrecoyme na biwsei o Ellhnas poliths, h ellhnikh oikogeneia, tis synepeies mias xreokopias. Protimhsame to sklhro dromo ths swthrias, me poly kopo, me maraqwnies diapragmateyseis kai qysies ap` oloys.\nApo thn prwth stigmh, me seira metrwn kai nomoqethmatwn, epidiwjame kai egkaqidryoyme th Dikaiosynh, th diafaneia sth leitoyrgia toy Dhmosioy, ton koinwniko dialogo, thn hlektronikh diaboyleysh, thn anaptyjh kai to spasimo ths grafeiokratias, me profanh stoxo thn empedwsh toy aisqhmatos dikaioy stoys polites kai ths dhmokratikhs symmetoxhs twn koinwnikwn etairwn sth lhch twn apofasewn.\nProxwrame se shmantikotates tomes pantoy. Se ena dikaiotero forologiko systhma, se ajiopistes statistikes analyseis, sthn epanastash toy ``KALLIKRATH'' poy qetei telos stis perifereiakes adikies kai spatales, se ena biwsimo kai kata to dynaton, dikaiotero asfalistiko systhma poy ejasfalizei oti oi epomenes kai oi paroyses genies, qa lambanoyn syntajh.\nEimaste kybernhsh pragmatikwn kai oysiastikwn allagwn. Kai ayto to apodeiknyoyme kai kyriws, qa to apodeiknyoyme. Allages poy ginontai, me prwtofanh taxythta gia ta ellhnika dedomena. Allages poy oloi oi polites gnwrizame oti eprepe na ginoyn, poy htan pagio aithma ths koinwnias, alla kamia hgesia den apotolmhse me ayto ton tropo.\nAkomh kai to mnhmonio gia to opoio syzhtame toso poly, apotelei parallhla kai shmantikh eykairia gia ton topo. Eykairia na afhsoyme oristika sto parelqon ena kratos trofodoth twn hmeterwn, twn pelateiakwn sxesewn, ena kratos spatalo, dysprosito kai grafeiokratiko.\nShmera, eimaste sth qesh na prosdokoyme oti qa antimetwpisoyme to mellon pio aisiodoja giati yparxei mia kybernhsh me tolmh kai apofasistikothta poy yphretei to symferon twn politwn, poy ejyphretei to dhmosio symferon kai to koino ofelos.\nKOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se sxesh me ayto poy eipate th Deytera, nomizw, gia to ``pagwma'' twn misqwn ston idiwtiko tomea, pws qa antidrasei h kybernhsh an ergodotes kai ergazomenoi symfwnhsoyn gia kapoia ayjhsh;\nPETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, epeidh egine polys logos gi` ayto, na dieykrinisw oti yparxei to mnhmonio, to opoio sebomaste kai exoyme ypogracei. Einai nomos toy kratos. Apo ekei kai pera, emas ayto poy mas endiaferei, einai na yparjei koinwnikos dialogos. Mas endiaferei na yparxei sygklish twn koinwnikwn etairwn, etsi wste mesa apo syllogikes diapragmateyseis na yparxei ena apotelesma poy qa bohqaei toys ergazomenoys prwta ap` ola, thn epixeirhmatikothta kai fysika, kai thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Oloi exoyme synaisqanqei to megeqos ths eyqynhs. Gnwrizoyme th stenothta poy pername kai sto telos oloi qa deijoyme oti exoyme katanohsei, ti symbainei sth xwra mas.\nKOYTRAS: Rwthsa, ean symfwnhsoyn ergazomenoi kai ergodotes se ayjhseis, estw mikres, opws afhse o k. Panagopoylos, ton opoio akoysa to prwi, na ennohqei, h kybernhsh ti qa kanei;\nPETALWTHS: As perimenoyme prwta to apotelesma twn syzhthsewn twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn kai meta qa to doyme.\nMOSXOBAS: An, opws eipate, einai eilhmmenh apofash - to epanalabate kai proxqes kai shmera- to ``pagwma'' twn misqwn, ``pagwma'' misqwn shmainei ayjhseis 5%, oso kalpazei shmera o plhqwrismos. An einai 4% einai meiwsh. Exei balei kapoio plafon h kybernhsh gia to poio qewrei ``pagwma'', mexri poy an symfwnhsoyn oi etairoi, se kapoio ycos ayjhsewn ayto qa qewrhqei ``pagwma'';\nPETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, as mhn kanoyme twra ermhneies, giati einai akairo otan malista ginetai syzhthsh sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs, kai otan qa yparjoyn kai syllogikes diapragmateyseis. Emeis qeloyme apo aytes tis syllogikes diapragmateyseis na yparjei symfwnia ergazomenwn kai ergodotwn. Apo kei kai pera, leme pws o,ti perilambanei to mnhmonio, qa efarmostei. Epeidh de, olo ayto to diasthma anaptyssetai mia dhmosia syzhthsh ws pros to ti perilambanei to mnhmonio, qa hqela na anaferw oti sto mnhmonio anaferetai to ``pagwma'' twn neoproslambanomenwn, twn katwtatwn misqwn. Ara, syzhtame se ayth th bash. Apo kei kai pera, prosdokoyme kai enqarrynoyme thn yparjh symfwnias metajy twn etairwn stis syllogikes diapragmateyseis.\nMOSXOBAS: Se ti qa symbalei akribws to ``pagwma'' twn misqwn ston idiwtiko tomea, dedomenoy oti den syneisferei sta dhmosionomika. Qa moy peite oti syneisferei sthn antagwnistikothta. Qymamai para poly kala ton k. Papandreoy kai proeklogika kai meteklogika na leei oti stoxos mas den einai na ginoyme antagwnistikoi ws pros to qema ths ergasias, giati den prokeitai na kataferoyme pote na dinoyme antistoixws misqoys Kinas, Indias k.t.l. Poios einai o stoxos;\nPETALWTHS: H antagwnistikothta den exei kamia sxesh me to na ginoyme India kai Kina. Alla h antagwnistikothta einai mia poly shmantikh parametros ths oikonomikhs kai anaptyjiakhs zwhs, ths oikonomikhs kai anaptyjiakhs mas politikhs kai epoydeni mporoyme na th baloyme sthn akrh. Emeis exoyme kateyqynseis, oi opoies qa ylopoihqoyn kai qa oristikopoihqoyn sto epomeno xroniko diasthma, giati ayth th stigmh prospaqoyme na jeperasoyme thn krish. Alla, kaneis den mporei na arnhqei oti h antagwnistikothta, poy einai mia poly shmantikh parametros, exei eidikes diastaseis gia thn ylopoihsh ths kai gia thn ayjhsh ths. Kai mia apo aytes tis diastaseis einai kai to kostos ergasias. Ayto, nomizw oti kaneis den mporei na to parablecei, giati to kostos ergasias exei ena shmantiko rolo sthn idia thn anaptyjh kai sthn idia thn oikonomia.\nMOSXOBAS: Aplws, diabebaiwnete oti kai meteklogika meta to mnhmonio oti den prokeitai na ``pagwsoyn'' oi misqoi ston idiwtiko tomea, oti einai apofash mono gia to dhmosio tomea.\nPETALWTHS: Ta exoyme pei polles fores. Yparxei to mnhmonio, opoy perilambanontai. Emeis se ayth th fash qeloyme na proxwrhsoyn oi syllogikes diapragmateyseis. Elpizoyme kai prosdokoyme oti kaqenas qa synaisqanqei tis eyqynes toy.\nQEODWRAKOPOYLOS: Epeidh o Proedros ths GSEE k. Panagopoylos einai kai stelexos toy PASOK, sto qema toy ``pagwmatos'' poy problepei to mnhmonio, desmeyetai ws kommatiko stelexos na akoloyqhsei th grammh toy mnhmonioy;\nPETALWTHS: O k. Panagopoylos einai Proedros ths GSEE. Exei ena shmantikotato rolo poy einai sebastos. H GSEE einai enas koinwnikos paragontas poy kai h leitoyrgia kai h symperifora ths einai ajiologotath kai fysika ekfrazei toys ergazomenoys. Ara, nomizw oti tetoia dilhmmata oyte prepei na tiqentai, oyte tiqentai.\nMIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, moy dhmioyrgoyntai orismenes apories. Kat` arxhn, to mnhmonio lete oti afora to ``pagwma'' twn katwtatwn misqwn twn neoproslambanomenwn. Ma, oi syllogikes symbaseis ergasias, ayto akribws kaqorizoyn, to katwtato. Ara, kata synepeia, me poio politiko kai hqiko dikaiwma h kybernhsh leei pws o,ti kai na symfwnhsete eseis, ayjhseis toy ycoys 1%,2%, den jerw poso, ayto den mporei na ginei dekto, giati den to epitrepei to mnhmonio, otan oi etairoi mporei na to symfwnhsoyn metajy toys. Ayto einai to prwto erwthma.\nPETALWTHS: Epanalambanw ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws: To mnhmonio einai nomos toy kratoys kai exei ena sygkekrimeno periexomeno. Sto mnhmonio, ayto poy exoyme daimonopoihsei - kai kakws to daimonopoihsame- ena meros toy perilambanei tis desmeyseis poy exoyme analabei me toys etairoys mas, aytoys poy mas daneizoyn me thn troika kai ena poly megalo meros, to opoio dystyxws den proballetai -kai isws bebaia einai anamenomeno- perilambanei tis diarqrwtikes allages poy kanoyme sthn ellhnikh oikonomia, thn anaptyjh kai to kratos. Apo th stigmh poy yparxei nomos toy kratoys poy exei chfistei, apotelei toylaxiston to plaisio gia to ti qa akoloyqhsei apo edw kai pera. To mnhmonio den katargei tis syllogikes diapragmateyseis. Enqarrynoyme aytes tis syllogikes diapragmateyseis na exoyn ena periexomeno analogo toy mnhmonioy. Fysika, aytes oi syllogikes diapragmateyseis eimaste sigoyroi oti qa lambanoyn ypoch thn anaptyjh toy topoy kai thn kalych twn tameiakwn mas anagkwn. Ara, oi ermhneies poy ginontai, einai ermhneies poy den mas aforoyn.\nMIXAHL: H deyterh aporia moy einai h ejhs: Toso proeklogika, oso kai meteklogika, o k. Papandreoy exei pei - kai to PASOK synolika- oti den qelei to kratos ayto poy qa epibalei ta panta, qa einai ena kratos epiteliko poy qa ftiaxnei to geniko plaisio kai apo kei kai pera qa epitrepei oles tis kinhseis na tis kanoyn oi koinwnikoi foreis kai genikotera oi politikoi foreis. Qelw na rwthsw, mia kinhsh san kai ayth poy proanaggeilate thn perasmenh Deytera, poso synadei me ayth thn antilhch;\nPETALWTHS: Poia kinhsh;\nMIXAHL: H kinhsh pws an oi koinwnikoi foreis den broyn lysh, tote qa yparjei ``pagwma'' misqwn, opws eipate, me prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy, h opoia qa doyme pws qa diatypwqei.\nPETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den eipa ayto.\nMIXAHL: Apantwntas se erwthsh.\nPETALWTHS: To ti qewrw prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy, apanthsa se sygkekrimenh erwthsh me sygkekrimenh apanthsh. Ayta poy eipa, apexoyn poly apo ayta poy lete, ayth th stigmh. Apo kei kai pera, omws, qa prepei oloi na antilhfqoyme - kai ayto to antilambanetai o ellhnikos laos, ara qa prepei na antilhfqoyn oloi - oti exoyme na kanoyme me mia kybernhsh, h opoia paleyei me ta kymata. Exoyme na kanoyme me mia kybernhsh, h opoia blepei kai antimetwpizei prwtofaneis katastaseis gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai gia thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Eimaste mia kybernhsh poy kaleitai na swsei th xwra. Ean kanoyme ideologikes anazhthseis kai syzhthseis, qa mporoysame na poyme para polla pragmata. Kai fysika, exoyme pei para polles fores oti h drash ths shmerinhs kybernhshs den ylopoiei to programma gia to opoio exoyme desmeyqei kai gia to opoio desmeyomaste oti qa ylopoihsoyme, toylaxiston ena meros toy programmatos. Emeis to prwto poy kanoyme einai na swsoyme th xwra. Kai apo th stigmh poy hdh kataferame na yparxei eyrwpaikos mhxanismos sthrijhs - hdh katafernoyme na eimaste entajei me tis daneiakes mas ypoxrewseis, ws pros ayto yparxei poly mellon fysika - qa ylopoihsoyme kai tis programmatikes mas desmeyseis. Alla, pros to paron, na exoyme oloi sto myalo mas oti exoyme na kanoyme me mia katastash poy mas epibalei na leitoyrgoyme ypo synqhkes ektakths anagkhs.\nROYBINETHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, oi mikromesaioi dia twn proedrwn toys, twn kyriwn Korkidh, Tsakoy kai Kassimath, proxqes, ejepneysan S.O.S., giati ta anaptyjiaka sxedia kaqysteroyn. Pisteyete oti qa kalyfqei o xronos kai me poia sygkekrimena metra;\nPETALWTHS: To qema ths anaptyjhs einai apo tis prwtes proteraiothtes poy qetei h kybernhsh, qetoyn oi etairoi, qetei h koinwnia oloklhrh. Anagnwrizoyme para poly kala oti me ena terastio elleimma kai me mia politikh poy akoloyqhqhke apo th Nea Dhmokratia, h anaptyjiakh poreia ths xwras briskotan kai ejakoloyqei na brisketai se kaqe allo para epiqymhth katastash. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti yparxei yfesh. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala ti symbainei sthn agora kai exoyn dikio kai oi epaggelmaties kai oi ergazomenoi na diamartyrontai. To megalo mas stoixhma, omws, gnwrizontas tis synqhkes poy antimetwpizoyme, einai se oso to dynaton syntomotero xroniko diasthma na blepoyme na apodidei h anaptyjh. Hdh, nomoqethmata poy exei ferei h kybernhsh sth Boylh gia na chfistoyn, nomoqethmata kai poy chfisthkan kai poy qa chfistoyn, orizoyn mia seira apo tetoia metra, poy qa dieykolynoyn thn anaptyjh. Alla epeidh h nomoqethsh den einai to pan, alla prepei na yparjei kai prajh, ayto shmainei oti kai h apodosh twn opoiwn anaptyjiakwn mas prospaqeiwn qelei xrono. Kai ayto to xrono einai akribws poy diaxeirizomaste: prospaqoyme na ton syntomeysoyme, prospaqoyme na ton diaxeiristoyme me ton kalytero tropo, etsi wste na stamathsei ayth h katastash poy yparxei sthn agora.\nLASKARATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na moy dieykrinisete, giati proswpika den to exw katalabei: To ``pagwma'' twn misqwn, etsi opws anaferetai sto mnhmonio kai etsi opws kai eseis to anaferate th Deytera, shmainei oi ayjhseis na mhn jepernoyn ta oria toy plhqwrismoy h oyte ena lepto toy eyrw parapanw; Eseis milhsate gia ``pagwma'', gi` ayto sas rwtw ti akribws shmainei.\nPETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa prohgoymenws oti yparxei to mnhmonio. Qa akoloyqhsoyn oi syllogikes diapragmateyseis, ara shmera den qa mpw se ermhneies.\nSPANOY: H Olomeleia toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy krinei antisyntagmatikes diatajeis toy Asfalistikoy. Ayto sas endiaferei, h thrhsh toy Syntagmatos;\nPETALWTHS: Emeis lambanoyme ypoch mas oles tis parathrhseis. Einai gnwmodothsh toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy. Yparxei, omws, ena sygkekrimeno plaisio sto opoio eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na kinhqoyme. Kai ayto kanoyme.\nMELETHS: Mporeite na mas to dieykrinisete;\nPETALWTHS: Nomizw oti den xreiazetai perissoterh dieykrinish. H Olomeleia toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy gnwmodotei, ekfrazei gnwmh gia th syntagmatikothta. As mhn jexname oti ta zhthmata poy qetei ayto to asfalistiko nomosxedio einai dekades, gia na mhn pw ekatontades. Ara otan ola ta ypoloipa zhthmata exoyn kriqei oti einai symbata me to Syntagma, exei kriqei h syntagmatikothta toys, to na yparxei mia antisyntagmatikothta se ena sygkekrimeno shmeio, einai kati poy antimetwpizetai.\nMOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epistrateysate kai shmera pollakis to epixeirhma peri swthrias h xreokopias ths xwras. Qewreite oti pleon ayto, ws politiko epixeirhma eparkei gia toys Ellhnes polites; Den nomizete oti h kybernhsh ayth prepei epipleon na dwsei kai to meta; Mia asfalh strathgikh diejodoy apo thn krish;\nPETALWTHS: Hdh, ayto kanoyme. Exoyme pei para polles fores oti den qa mporoyme na milame gia to meta, ean den periswsoyme to paron h ean den periswsoyme ekeines tis synqhkes poy qa epitrepoyn na yparxei ``meta''. Kai ayto se ola ta epipeda. Kai epeidh milame gia to Asfalistiko, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, ean den prospaqhsoyme na efarmosoyme ayto to asfalistiko systhma, na to chfisoyme kai na to efarmosoyme, den qa yparxei to ``meta''. Emeis ton programmatismo mas kai ton programmatiko mas logo, o opoios den htan proeklogikos, einai politikos logos, einai h ideologia toy PASOK, einai to pisteyw mas, den to afhnoyme sthn akrh me tipota. Gia na mporesoyme, omws, na to ylopoihsoyme -parolo poy kai se aytes tis dyskoles synqhkes kai mporw na sas ferw kai paradeigmata hdh exoyme nomoqethsei polla shmeia toy programmatikoy mas logoy- kai na kanoyme tis megales allages, prepei na swsoyme th xwra. Ayto einai kati poy to antilambanetai o laos, poy to antilambanomaste oloi mas. Giati den mporoyme na pame parapera ean den kanoyme shmera ta anagkaia bhmata. Emeis den jexname oti eimaste h kybernhsh twn megalwn allagwn. Gi` ayto chfisthkame. Kai den to jexname oxi epeidh chfisthkame gi` ayto mono, alla epeidh einai isxyrh mas pepoiqhsh oti aytes oi allages xreiazontai gia thn Politeia, gia thn oikonomia kai gia thn koinwnia. Kai aytes tis allages qa tis kanoyme kai eimaste desmeymenoi apenanti ston ellhniko lao.\nPOLYMEROS: Eipate prin oti se katastash ektakths anagkhs brisketai h xwra mas kai kaleitai na antimetwpisei aytes tis anagkes h kybernhsh. Mhpws sta plaisia aytwn twn ektaktwn anagkwn einai kai oi ektaktes ekloges; Kai sas rwtw me aformh kai dhmosieyma apo dieqnes diktyo to CNN sygkekrimena, to opoio milaei kaqara oti an h kybernhsh den ta kataferei, mexri to Septembrh, einai poly piqano na prosfygei stis kalpes.\nPETALWTHS: Oi qewries kai ta senaria einai alhqeia oti perisseyoyn. Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada eixame thn efhmerida Guardian\nna grafei oti poylame ta nhsia, shmera anaparagontai kapoies qewries kai kapoies fhmologies oti qa ginoyn prowres ekloges. Emeis safestata aporriptoyme opoiadhpote tetoia skech, kaqe tetoio senario. Pisteyoyme kai to exw anaferei kai allh fora oti an yparxei kapoios poy mporei kai prepei na zhthsei ekloges, as bgei na to kanei. O ellhnikos laos qewrei oti tetoies polyteleies den mporei yparxoyn oyte kan ws skeceis. Idia einai kai h qewrhsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.\nMOSXOBAS: Gia anasxhmatismo exoyme kanena neotero, epeidh plhsiazoyn ta mpania, mhpws kapoioi prepei na pane nwritera na jekoyrastoyn;\nPETALWTHS: Ayth h kybernhsh ergazetai kai den jekoyrazetai.\nMOSXOBAS: Qa ginei amesa anasxhmatismos;\nPETALWTHS: Den yparxei kanenas logos na ginei anasxhmatismos. H kybernhsh doyleyei. Exoyme na antimetwpisoyme sobara zhthmata kai ta antimetwpizoyme syllogika.\nKOYTRAS: Ena sxolio gia th xqesinh katastash sto limani toy Peiraia.\nPETALWTHS: Xqes, sto limani toy Peiraia, eixame na antimetwpisoyme ena megalo dilhmma. H kybernhsh phre mia politikh apofash. H apofash htan na krathqoyn oi isorropies. To dikaiwma sth diadhlwsh einai sebasto, einai iero, alla kai to dikaiwma toy na leitoyrghsei to limani htan epishs sebasto. Pisteyoyme oti me th xqesinh katastash, ayth h isorropia epeteyxqh. Htan ta pragmata opws eprepe na einai, se mia hmera genikeymenhs apergias. Elpizoyme, fysika, oti sto mellon den qa doyme katastaseis, opws aytes poy zhsame thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, na apagoreyoyn kapoioi ston ellhniko lao na metabainei ston proorismo toy. Kai ayth h apagoreysh sygxronws na ginei kai h megalyterh dysfhmish ths xwras mas sto ejwteriko.\nQEODWROPOYLOS: To dikaiwma sthn apergia isxyei gia oloys toys ergazomenoys, plhn twn naytergatwn;\nPETALWTHS: To dikaiwma sthn apergia isxyei gia oloys toys ergazomenoys. Oi naytergates einai mia epaggelmatikh tajh h opoia plhttetai apo thn krish ayth, opws plhttontai oi pantes. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti apo ta polla swmateia poy yparxoyn, einai dyo ta swmateia poy apergoyn. Kaneis, omws, den mporei na apagoreysei sth xwra na kinhqei oikonomika, stoys epibates na apobibastoyn kai na epibibastoyn kai malista otan yparxei kai apofash ths ellhnikhs Dikaiosynhs. Ean kapoioi, gia sygkekrimenoys logoys - kai gnwrizoyn poly kala poioi einai aytoi- prospaqoyn na ekmetalleytoyn ayth thn agwnia twn naytergatwn, oyte stoys naytergates prosferoyn kai poly perissotero den prosferoyn ston ellhniko lao.\nSEGKOS: Me sygxwreite kyrie Ekproswpe, poioi mporoyn na apergoyn se ayth th xwra; Giati olh h xwra einai toyristikh ayth thn periodo.\nPETALWTHS: Oi pantes. Mporoyn na apergoyn oi pantes. To dikaiwma sthn apergia einai dikaiwma poy eytyxws sthn Ellada to exoyme katakthsei. Kai to exoyme katakthsei me dhmokratikoys tropoys, kati poy den efarmozetai apo sygkekrimenoys apergoys aytes tis hmeres. Einai katakthsh toy ellhnikoy laoy. Kai ayth h katakthsh ginetai sebasth apo thn Politeia kai th Dikaiosynh. Yparxoyn, omws, kapoia nomika plaisia sta opoia prepei na kinoyntai kai mporoyn na kinoyntai oi pantes. Kai oi pantes einai oi pantes, eite einai syndikalistes, eite einai kommata, eite einai syndikalistikes omospondies.\nMELETHS : Sto prohgoymeno qema, k. Ekproswpe: H kybernhsh desmeyetai oti qa sebastei to apotelesma twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn, opoio kai an einai ayto;\nPETALWTHS: Exw apanthsei epaneilhmmenws.\nQEODWROPOYLOS: Qa to sebasteite;\nQEODWROPOYLOS: An apofasisoyn oti qa yparjoyn ayjhseis;\nPETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa. Opoios qelei twra na prokatabalei to ti qa ginei stis syllogikes diapragmateyseis, nomizw oti den bohqaei oyte toys ergazomenoys, oyte thn epixeirhmatikothta, alla oyte kai thn ellhnikh oikonomia.\nMOSXOBAS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia thn katalhch poy ekanan - apo xqes h apo shmera, den eimai sigoyros - oi xilioi tosoi symbasioyxoi ths ERT. Ti skeftetai h kybernhsh na kanei me aytoys toys anqrwpoys; Exete katalhjei;\nPETALWTHS: Ayth th stigmh, ekeino poy mporoyme na poyme, einai oti sthn ERT yparxei mia katastash, h opoia, safws, den eprepe na yparxei, me th sysswreysh tosoy megaloy ariqmoy symbasioyxwn. Gi ayto akribws kai sthn ERT prepei na yparjoyn politikes apofaseis, na ginoyn tomes, giati h leitoyrgia toy sygkekrimenoy organismoy exei na kanei me th diaxeirish xrhmatwn toy ellhnikoy laoy. Kai ayto qa ginei.\nMOSXOBAS: Epeidh shmera lhgei h symbash olwn, apo oso jerw, 30 Ioynioy, exete kati na peite gia aytoys toys ergazomenoys.\nPETALWTHS: Oi symbaseis qa epanajiologhqoyn. Qa ginei ajiologhsh sto poies symbaseis xreiazontai, me poies proypoqeseis kai me poies synqhkes.\nPETALWTHS: Gia na ginei, qa prepei na lhjoyn aytes oi symbaseis.\nMOSXOBAS: Shmera lhgoyn.\nPETALWTHS: Nai. Den elhjan.\nMOSXOBAS: Ara ayrio qa exoyn ajiologhqei oloi kai qa piasoyn doyleia osoi ...\nPETALWTHS: An htan toso kala kai aytomatopoihmena ta pragmata, qa htan para poly kalh h genikoterh leitoyrgia sto ellhniko Dhmosio.\nMOSXOBAS: Syggnwmh, k. Ypoyrge, eseis eiste h kybernhsh kai gnwrizete thn katastash sthn ERT. Eji mhnes exei oristei h dioikhsh. Giati na mhn kanete kan apo prin thn ajiologhsh; Eseis ananewsate tis symbaseis mexri 30 Ioynioy, oxi egw.\nPETALWTHS: Akribws, tis ananewsame, gia na kalyfqei ayto to keno poy yphrxe. Kai h dioikhsh ths ERT, alla kai h politikh hgesia exei sxedio, to opoio qa diaboyleytei kai qa anakoinwqei. Hdh polla merh aytoy toy sxedioy, exoyn anakoinwqei.\nkyber2html v1.05c run on Wednesday, 30 June 2010 - 22:22:09 UTC


url: =Aqhna, 6 Dekembrioy 1999\n* Shmera to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos, ekfwnhse omilia sth Synodo toy Symboylioy Apodhmoy Ellhnismoy, sth Qessalonikh. Se ligo, qa milhsei sto Eyrwpaiko Kentro gia thn Anaptyjh ths Epaggelmatikhs Katartishs (CEDEFOP). To brady qa epistrecei sthn Aqhna. Oi omilies toy einai sth diaqesh sas.\n* Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa proedreysei ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, me antikeimeno thn politikh poy qa akoloyqhsei h xwra mas sthn epikeimenh Synodo Koryfhs, sto Elsinki. Gia th Synodo ayth, o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei, epikefalhs ths ellhnikhs antiproswpeias, thn Pempth to prwi, gia thn prwteyoysa ths Filandias. Symplhrwnw oti qa prepei osoi apo sas laboyn meros sthn apostolh, na einai sto aerodromio stis 8 to prwi.\nGia tis ypoloipes synergasies toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa sas enhmerwsw, otan oristikopoihqoyn.\nPARIS: Exw dyo erwthseis se dyo diaforetika qemata. To prwto qema einai gia to Elsinki. Mexri twra oi endeijeis tis opoies pairnoyme apo toys etairoys mas kai apo thn Toyrkia, mas parakinoyn na askhsoyme beto h na mhn askhsoyme; Einai dhladh qetikes h arnhtikes oi endeijeis;\nREPPAS: Oi meres poy apomenoyn mexri th Synodo Koryfhs einai liges. Taytoxrona einai kai polles. Mas epitrepoyn na ergastoyme prokeimenoy na exoyme to apotelesma poy oloi epiqymoyme. Na syzhthqei to qema ths dieyrynshs ths E. E. kai sto plaisio ayths ths syzhthshs na apofasistei, me qetiko tropo kai h apokthsh apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias ths idiothtas ths ypochfias pros entajh sthn E. E. xwras. Ayto einai ena qema to opoio, toylaxiston me ta dedomena poy exoyme ypoch mas, paramenei anoixto. Oi syzhthseis einai se ejelijh. Qa synexistoyn kai tis epomenes hmeres. Yparxei katanohsh gia tis ellhnikes qeseis. Yparxei, qa elega, mia anagnwrish toy orqoy kai toy dikaioy twn qematwn kai toy tropoy me ton opoio ta qetei h ellhnikh pleyra. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, me thn opoia syzhtoyn oi koinotikoi etairoi, na yparjei mia analogh qetikh antapokrish, giati kyriws aythn afora h ejelijh. H politikh poy exoyme akoloyqhsei mexri twra, me gnwmona to eqniko symferon, alla lambanontas ypoch kai to symferon ths E. E., einai apolyta orqh. Epiqymoyme mia E. E. poy qa synexisei na leitoyrgei me arxes kai kanones, opws mexri twra kai pisteyoyme oti se ayto to plaisio arxwn kai kanonwn, qa enarmonistei kai h Toyrkia, opws allwste, oles oi alles xwres poy epiqymoyn na exoyn stenes sxeseis me thn E. E.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti yparxei katanohsh gia tis ellhnikes qeseis. Apo poioys;\nREPPAS: Apo oles tis xwres ths E. E. me tis opoies exei syzhthsei h ellhnikh kybernhsh.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Bghke sth Germania o k. Srenter kai o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Germanias, opws kai o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Italias kai taxqhkan yper ths Toyrkias. Poia katanohsh yparxei tote;\nREPPAS: Oydeis exei taxqei yper ths Toyrkias. Emeis exoyme pei, opws oles oi xwres ths E. E. oti epiqymoyme h ejelijh na einai qetikh, arkei na ergastoyme se ayth thn kateyqynsh oloi kai oxi mono emeis h kapoies xwres ths E. E., alla kai h Toyrkia. Oloi epiqymoyme ton eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo ths Toyrkias. Oloi epiqymoyme to apotelesma ayths ths syzhthshs na einai qetiko. Ejartatai, omws, apo energeies, oi opoies prepei na prohghqoyn kai oi energeies aytes prepei na proerxontai kyriws apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, afoy aythn afora prwtistws mia tetoia ejelijh. Ayta einai qemata ta opoia exoyn aposafhnistei, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn. Einai se ejelijh -epanalambanw- oi syzhthseis aytes kai den einai politika orqo na poyme kati perissotero ayth thn wra.\nPARIS: Se allo qema. Eixe syzhthqei kai sto briefing to qema ths akyrwshs toy diagwnismoy gia to Olympiako Xwrio. Apo tis apanthseis poy eida -den hmoyn edw- exw akomh orismenes apories, giati akyrwqhke o diagwnismos. Yphrxe kapoio problhma ston diagwnismo;\nREPPAS: Den egine dhmosios, dieqnhs, anoixtos diagwnismos. Yphrje mia proepilogh. Qewroyme oti apo thn wra poy apofasisthke na emplakei se ayth th diadikasia kataskeyhs toy Olympiakoy Xwrioy kai o Organismos Ergatikhs Katoikias, qa eprepe na akoloyqhsoyme mia allh diadikasia, anoixtoy diagwnismoy, thn opoia kai qa akoloyqhsoyme. Qema anaqeshs den yfistatai. Kakws grafhke kai anaferqhke kati tetoio. Qa ginei anoixtos diagwnismos, o opoios pisteyoyme oti qa stefqei apo epityxia.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Gia thn Ekqesh ths Qessalonikhs, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos eixe allh apoch xqes poy ekane dhlwseis, gia thn akyrwsh toy diagwnismoy. Ejefrase thn aporia, giati akyrwqhke o diagwnismos.\nREPPAS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos den exei allh apoch. Sto erwthma "giati akyrwqhke o diagwnismos", exei doqei apanthsh, h opoia epanalambanetai se kaqe tetoia erwthsh oti den kriqhkan symferontes oi oroi, basei twn opoiwn zhthse o agorasths na apokthsei to meridio ayto, to 45% twn metoxwn ths HELEXPO A. E. Pisteyoyme oti h epanalhch toy diagwnismoy qa einai epityxhs. Exei symbei ayto kai se alles periptwseis. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh ayto poy proexei einai na diasfalisoyme ta symferonta toy Dhmosioy, alla kai ta symferonta ths polhs, ypo thn ennoia ths prooptikhs gia thn polh kai sthn kateyqynsh ayth, einai kaqoristikh h swsth leitoyrgia ths Anwnymhs Etaireias.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Xronika pote qa ginei h epanalhch toy diagwnismoy;\nREPPAS: Einai qema ligoy xronoy. Efoson chfistei h diatajh poy odhgei sthn ypagwgh sto Ypoyrgeio Makedonias Qrakhs, toy Organismoy aytoy, opws allwste eixe ejaggeilei o Prwqypoyrgos sthn omilia toy sthn Ekqesh Qessalonikhs, syntomotata arxizei h nea diagwnistikh diadikasia, prokeimenoy na exoyme sygkekrimena apotelesmata.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Poios logos yphrje gia na proxwrhsei h kybernhsh sthn prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy kai na kanei "idiwnymo" thn katalhjh; Den yphrxan diatajeis ston poiniko kwdika poy qa mporoyn na leitoyrgoyn ta organa ths tajhs;\nREPPAS: Yparxoyn diatajeis ston Poiniko Kwdika, oi opoies paramenoyn kai isxyoyn. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto. Den allazei o Poinikos Kwdikas. Aplws, epekteinetai to dikaiwma askhshs poinikhs diwjhs kai apo thn eisaggelikh arxh me aytepaggelto tropo. Ayto ginetai. To dikaiwma, h ejoysia poy eixan oi dieyqyntes twn sxolikwn monadwn paramenei se isxy. Apo kei kai pera, kriname skopimo, epeidh h isxyoysa diatajh apodeixqhke mh leitoyrgikh, na epekteinoyme to dikaiwma ayto, prokeimenoy oi eisaggelikoi leitoyrgoi na exoyn th dynatothta, aytepaggeltws na askhsoyn diwjh enantion opoioydhpote parempodizei, diatarassei h diakoptei th leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn. Pisteyoyme oti ayto antapokrinetai sto aisqhma ths megalhs pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn politwn, idiaiterws twn gonewn, alla kai twn maqhtwn. Perifroyroyme th dhmosia perioysia kai symballoyme, wste ta sxoleia na leitoyrghsoyn, na ginoyn pali topoi maqhshs kai gnwshs kai na mhn einai ypoxeiria twn opoiwn politikwn h kommatikwn epilogwn, stoixeiwn poy se megalh klimaka den exoyn sxesh me th maqhtikh koinothta. Ayto exei apodeixqei. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, oi eisaggeleis me thn paroysia toys -exei tonistei ayto kai ajizei na to epanalabw- diasfalizoyn kai ta dikaiwmata twn maqhtwn. Oi eisaggeleis einai ekproswpoi ths tajhs, toy nomoy. Ayto shmainei oti h dikh toys parembash, se ayth thn kateyqynsh qa kineitai, prokeimenoy kai ta dikaiwmata twn maqhtwn na ginoyn sebasta.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Giati to kanate idiwnymo;\nREPPAS: Den prokeitai peri aytoy. Einai dikos sas xarakthrismos, me ton opoio den symfwnoyme. Eseis exete ayth thn apoch, thn grafete kai kanete analoga sxolia. H diatajh toy Poinikoy Kwdika synexizei na isxyei. Aplws dinetai h dynatothta aytepaggelths diwjhs apo toys eisaggeleis enantion ekeinwn poy perempodizoyn th leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn. Tipota allo.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Prin den eixan to dikaiwma aytepaggelths diwjhs apo toys eisaggeleis;\nREPPAS: Den eixan ayto to dikaiwma.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Pws den to eixan;\nREPPAS: Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh den eixan ayto to dikaiwma. Eprepe na prohghqei egklhsh apo to Dieyqynth ths sxolikhs monadas, kati to opoio den synebaine gia logoys poy antilambaneste.\nBITALHS: Den sas problhmatizoyn oi mexri stigmhs antidraseis poy yparxoyn gi ayth thn prajh, giati exoyme antidraseis apo thn OLME, me staseis ergasias se opoia Lykeia phgainei Eisaggeleas, alla kai sthn Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK polla stelexh ejefrasan problhmatismo kai anhsyxia gia thn anagkaiothta ayths ths ryqmishs.\nREPPAS: Den symfwnw mazi sas oti h pleiochfia twn gonewn, twn maqhtwn kai twn kaqhghtwn, mias kai anaferqhkate sthn OLME, exei diatypwsei arnhtikes qeseis apenanti se mia tetoia ryqmish. Antiqetws, poly perissotero sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn, sthn prosfath Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK, gnwrizete oti ola ta stelexh, kaqena me to diko toy tropo, me apoxrwseis stis omilies toys, symfwnhsan se ayth thn ryqmish. Oydeis chfise kati diaforetiko, oydeis eqese qema enantion ayths ths nomoqetikhs prwtoboylias. Den yfistatai, loipon, problhma, opws kapoioi qeloyn na to paroysiasoyn. To mono problhma poy yparxei, einai to problhma ekeinwn poy qa hqelan na metatrecoyn ta sxoleia se "agwnistikes epaljeis" gia alloys logoys, poy kamia sxesh den exoyn me thn proodo twn maqhtwn h me thn ekpaideytikh politikh kai thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish. Exoyn sxesh mono me tis kommatikes anagkes. Omws, ayto den to epitrepei h pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ta sxoleia qa prepei na meinoyn makria apo opoioysdhpote kommatikoys sxediasmoys. Qa prepei na leitoyrgoyn, xwris na ypokeintai se tetoioy eidoys elegxomenes politikes kateyqynseis. Me ayth thn ennoia pisteyoyme oti einai orqh h epilogh ths kybernhshs.\nBITALHS: Sto qema poy afora ta stelexh toy kybernwntos kommatos, den eipa oti eqesan qema gia thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, alla oti legetai apo diakekrimena stelexh toy kommatos, oti ena tetoio metro, endexomenws na dhmioyrghsei problhmata kai sthn poreia ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Den teqhke qema chfoforias, omws, teqhke qema problhmatismoy apo polla stelexh.\nREPPAS: Oles aytes oi parametroi exoyn ektimhqei, prokeimenoy na lhfqei apofash. H apofash exei lhfqei kai pisteyoyme oti den qa dhmioyrghqei kanena problhma sth leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn kai sthn poreia efarmoghs ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs.\nFILHS: O Proedros ths Dhmokratias exei ypogracei ayth th ryqmish;\nREPPAS: Qa prowqhqei, shmera, ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias to sxetiko keimeno kai anamenetai h ypografh.\nFILHS: O Proedros ths Dhmokratias eixe enhmerwqei prin lhfqei h apofash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, oti prokeitai h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei se ayth thn prajh;\nREPPAS: O Proedros ths Dhmokratias htan sto ejwteriko. H synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy egine thn Paraskeyh, den eixe prohghqei, gia to sygkekrimeno qema, kapoia syzhthsh.\nFILHS: Me dedomeno oti ta problhmata poy lete oti qelei na antimetwpisei ayth h ryqmish eixan prosdioristei kai persi kai propersi kai den einai oyte aproblepta, oyte ektakta, giati h kybernhsh den prowqhse me thn kanonikh nomoqetikh diadikasia, analogh ryqmish kai epeleje ayto ton ektakto tropo periorismoy dikaiwmatwn;\nREPPAS: Qewroyme oti sto shmeio ayto eprepe na antimetwpistei to problhma poy proekyce, kata tropo o opoios qa edine sthn politeia th dynatothta na mhn paramenei apaqhs, alla na parembainei, na pairnei prwtoboylies kai na dinei lysh sto problhma. Na lynei to gordio desmo. Peri aytoy prokeitai. Ara, loipon, twra eprepe na akoloyqhqei ayth h diadikasia. Kai nomizw oti, oson afora toys xarakthrismoys "ektakto" h "katepeigon" kai o idios o Proedros ths Dhmokratias, exei kanei sxolio, to opoio, asfalws exete ypoch sas. Prokeitai peri twn proypoqesewn poy syntrexoyn sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh poy apaitei to Syntagma, elhfqhsan ypoch kai odhghqhkame se ayth thn prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy.\nFILHS: Ma, ta problhmata -epanalambanw- eixan paroysiastei kai persi kai propersi. Giati h kybernhsh den proeblece na exei mia nomoqetikh ryqmish, mia tropologia, ena nomo, mesa apo thn kanonikh diadikasia ths Boylhs;\nREPPAS: H empeiria poy apokthsame mas odhghse se ayth thn epilogh, poy qewroyme oti einai pio orqh, gia na prolaboyme ta fainomena katastrofwn poy eginan persi, kaqws kai to fainomeno ths apwleias pollwn wrwn didaskalias, gia na mhn plhrwsoyme kai fetos ena kostos, to opoio mporei na apotimhqei se 6 dis draxmes, opws to persino. Giati qa prepei na epanalambanontai fainomena toy parelqontos, poy synepagontai ena kostos se diafora epipeda; H kybernhsh anelabe fetos ayth thn prwtoboylia gia na apofygoyme fainomena toy parelqontos. H epilogh ayth einai orqh.\nFILHS: Me thn apanthsh sas dexeste oti einai antisyntagmatikh h diatajh poy prowqeite, giati den einai oyte aproblepth, oyte ektakth katastash. Eipate kai persi ta idia eginan.\nREPPAS: Kanete laqos k. Filh. Einai h dikh sas analysh. Den gnwrizete oti eginan kinhtopoihseis kai persi kai propersi;\nFILHS: Eseis, ws kybernhsh, to gnwrizete;\nREPPAS: Asfalws, gnwrizoyme oti eginan kinhtopoihseis kai persi kai alles xronies. Ayto poy gnwrizoyme, epishs, einai oti mas epitassei to kaqhkon na mhn parameinoyme fetos apaqeis, giati eidame oti oi ryqmiseis poy isxyan persi h alles xronies den htan apotelesmatikes. H politeia, loipon, me bash thn empeiria twn prohgoymenwn xronwn -kai exoyme ayth thn eyelijia giati qeloyme na eimaste apotelesmatikoi, praktikoi, den omfaloskopoyme- phrame ayth thn prwtoboylia, gia na dwsoyme lysh sto problhma.\nREPPAS: Bebaiws, otan h dyskinhsia poy xarakthrize thn prohgoymenh ryqmish odhghse se telma, thn prohgoymenh sxolikh periodo. Gnwrizete poly kala oti oi Dieyqyntes twn sxolikwn monadwn den anelambanan th sxetikh prwtoboylia. Gi ayto milw peri dyskinhsias kai eyelijias.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Einai meqodoi oloklhrwtikes.\nREPPAS: Ayta ta apanthsame. Afhste tis oloklhrwtikes meqodoys. Na tis anazhthsete stoy Makrygiannh metajy ekeinwn oi opoioi ekpempoyn dixastika kai misallodoja synqhmata.\nFILHS: Ti apantate se aytoys poy lene oti h kybernhsh proxwrhse me qeamatiko tropo sthn epibolh aytoy toy metroy kai oxi me thn kanonikh koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, giati hqele na dhmioyrghsei mia aisqhsh pygmhs kai na apeyqynqei pronomiaka se synthrhtikoys chfoforoys, toys opoioys exei anagkh, enocei eklogwn. Dhladh, oti htan mia epilogh eklogikoy xarakthra kai oxi gia thn Paideia.\nREPPAS: Ayth h epilogh den afora tipota allo para thn omalh leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn. Den exei opoiadhpote allh skopimothta ypoch ths h kybernhsh. Ayto to opoio thn endiaferei einai na leitoyrghsoyn ta sxoleia kai oi maqhtes na didaskontai kanonika ta maqhmata toys xwris diakoph kai empodia, meta ta osa gnwrizoyme oti eginan persi. Den yparxei tipota allo. Ayto prepei na einai safes. Den prokeitai peri qeamatikhs prwtoboylias. Isa-isa to "ektakto" kai "epeigon" poy periexetai se aytoy toy eidoys thn epilogh, fainetai apo to oti proxwrhsame me prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy kai den akoloyqhsame thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, h opoia apaitei xrono. Qa htan polyteleia na parameinoyme gia arketes hmeres parathrhtes twn ejelijewn sta sxoleia. Eprepe na fanoyme promhqeis kai fanhkame promhqeis.\nFILHS: Epimhqeis mallon;\nREPPAS: Etsi lete eseis. Epimhqeis einai mallon ekeinoi, opws ki eseis, poy qeloyn na epanalhfqei to persino montelo. Na janaginoyn zhmies, na xaqoyn wres didaskalias kai ek twn ysterwn, kanontas apotimhsh olwn aytwn twn dysmenwn, arnhtikwn synepeiwn, na bgaloyn symperasmata gia na paroyme kapoia metra. Oxi. Ta metra qa ta paroyme prin gia na mhn exoyme kai fetos dysmenh apotelesmata.\nFILHS: Meta tis katalhceis phrate ta metra. Giati den ta phrate apo to kalokairi;\nREPPAS: To fainomeno ayto arxise na ekdhlwnetai kai deijame amesh, apofasistikh kai apotelesmatikh antimetwpish.\nKWNSTANTINIDHS: O k. Etzebit egine safhs, aperrice oysiastika th Xagh gia ta qemata toy Aigaioy kai milaei oti ta qemata ayta prepei na lyqoyn mono me dialogo. Apo thn allh, o k. Gilmaz apeilei oti an h Ellada qesei beto sto Elsinki, piqanotata na odhghqoyme kai se polemo. Kai triton, ta prwta mhnymata apo th Nea Yorkh einai arnhtika, ejaitias ths epiqymias toy Ntenktas na anagnwristei prwta to ceydokratos kai meta na synexistoyn oi synomilies kai piqanws na arnhqei na parameinei kai stis synomilies. Qa hqela to sxolio sas ep aytwn;\nREPPAS: Oson afora tis syzhthseis gia to Kypriako, gnwrizete poly kala oti ta dikhn aithmatos qemata poy eqese o k. Ntenktas den eginan apodekta apo to Geniko Grammatea toy OHE. Qemata poy aforoyn to status toy k. Ntenktas h thn anazhthsh lyshs mesw ths synomospondias, gnwrizete poly kala oti den egine dekto na teqoyn sto trapezi pros syzhthsh, sthn enarjh twn synomiliwn. Ayto einai mia qetikh endeijh. Anamenetai h synexeia gia na bgaloyme ta symperasmata mas. Parakalw, na mhn eimaste prokateilhmmenoi. Na mhn eimaste, logw ths empeirias toy parelqontos, arnhtikoi se ayto gia to opoio ginetai prospaqeia na antimetwpistei. Ginetai prospaqeia na antimetwpistei to kypriako problhma, mesw twn synomiliwn. Emeis pisteyoyme oti oi synomilies aytes prepei na einai oysiastikes. Mporei na einai oysiastikes kai apotelesmatikes. Oson afora tis dhlwseis Toyrkwn ajiwmatoyxwn, epanalambanoyn tis kakes stigmes ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths Toyrkias. Oi Toyrkoi hgetes me tis dhlwseis aytes xrwmatizoyn arnhtika thn prospaqeia poy kanei h xwra toys kai h Ellada kai h E. E. gia na antimetwpisoyn ena qema to opoio einai shmantiko, opws ayto poy afora thn apokthsh apo thn Toyrkia ths idiothtas ths ws ypochfias pros entajh sthn E. E. xwras. Oi dhlwseis twn Toyrkwn ajiwmatoyxwn prepei na ginontai se ena allo mhkos kymatos. Kai ayto qa to anamenoyme, giati pisteyoyme oti ayto apaitoyn shmera oi peristaseis. Den prepei na rixnoyme "ladi sth fwtia", poly perissotero otan se qewrhtiko toylaxiston epipedo, oloi dhlwnoyn oti ergazomaste pros thn idia kateyqynsh. Menei, omws, na apodeixqei, pws ergazetai o kaqenas.\nPARIS: Kata kairoys, ginontai diafores eisaggelikes ereynes gia dhmosioys organismoys, yphresies I. D. kai diafora alla. To parelqon kai h empeiria, mexri shmera einai, enw oi agwges einai pompwdeis kai miloyn gia kakoyrghmata, telika oles aytes oi ypoqeseis katalhgoyn maqhmatika sto arxeio. Apo kapoio reportaz poy kaname emeis kai h twrinh agwgh h opoia exei ginei gia ton OTE, gia thn INTRAKOM, den yparxoyn oi apoxrwses endeijeis, oi opoies qa feroyn kapoio apotelesma sthn eisaggelikh ereyna. Qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Me dedomeno to oti h Dikaiosynh einai anejarthth, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh ayto to gegonos h oi eisaggelikes arxes den exoyn th dynatothta kai thn ikanothta na cajoyn toso sobara qemata; Sas qymizw gia paradeigma, thn ypoqesh toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Den bghke tipota. Yparxoyn pleistes tetoies periptwseis.\nREPPAS: H Dikaiosynh exei to rolo ths se mia syntetagmenh politeia. Ayto to opoio emeis apodokimazoyme einai oi diwjeis aytoy toy xarakthra na jekinoyn apo politikh skopimothta. H N. D., en prokeimenw, einai ayth poy shkwnei mia sygkekrimenh shmaia kai qewrei oti qa prepei tis dioikhseis twn megalwn organismwn na tis askoyn oi armodioi ypo ton peleky ths Dikaiosynhs. Opoy yparxei sygkekrimenh ajiopoinh prajh, asfalws ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs exoyn to logo. Alla, ayto apexei poly apo to na diatypwnoyme genikws kai aoristws kathgories, me apotelesma na yponomeyoyme thn anaptyjiakh, ependytikh, eksygxronistikh poreia aytwn twn megalwn organismwn. O OTE einai h kyria ependytikh "mhxanh" ths xwras. Ta ELTA exoyn ginei pleonasmatika, enw htan elleimmatika epi polla xronia. Ayto den prepei na diafeygei apo kanenan. Apo th stigmh poy exei epilhfqei h Dikaiosynh, emeis epiqymoyme na oloklhrwsei to ergo ths, to taxytero dynato. Ayth einai h qesh mas. Asfalws, h Dikaiosynh qa ekdwsei to porisma ths. Emeis den qa ekferoyme dikastikh krish. Omws, ayto prepei na ginei to syntomotero dynato, gia na mh briskontai se ena eidos omhrias oi organismoi aytoi. Qa prepei h taktikh anakrish na oloklhrwqei to syntomotero dynato kai na lamcei h alhqeia. An exei kapoios eyqynh, na toy apodoqoyn oi eyqynes. An, omws, den yparxei otidhpote to opoio na synista parabash h parabiash, oi organismoi qa prepei na afeqoyn aperispastoi na synexisoyn to ergo toys. Den exw na pw tipota allo, ayth thn wra toylaxiston.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: H albanikh kybernhsh, ton teleytaio kairo, proxwra sthn arpagh, mporoyme na poyme, perioysiwn Ellhnwn omogenwn ekei, tis opoies dinei se Albanoys, me stoxo na alloiwsei tis perioxes aytes poy einai perissoteroi Ellhnes. Ti exete na peite gi ayto;\nREPPAS: Tetoia fainomena exoyn epishmanqei kai exoyn teqei ypoch ths albanikhs kybernhshs. Ta parakoloyqoyme apo poly konta, apoteloyn gia mas meizon zhthma. Prepei mono na kanw mia parathrhsh: Yparxoyn kai polles periptwseis, opoy oi armodies kratikes arxes kai ta dikasthria ths Albanias proxwroyn se apallotriwseis, prokeimenoy na ginoyn megala dhmosia erga. Kai sto plaisio twn apallotriwsewn qigontai kai idiwtikes perioysies politwn poy zoyn se aytes tis perioxes. Epeidh sthn pleionothta toys einai meionotikoi, einai Ellhnes Boreiohpeirwtes, qigontai oi perioysies toys. Qa prepei na ginei mia diakrish, giati to zhthma einai lepto, anamesa stis anagkaies apallotriwseis gia megala erga, ta opoia kai emeis xrhmatodotoyme -to zhtoyn oi idioi oi meionotikoi, oi Ellhnes na ginoyn ayta ta megala erga- kai stis skopimes ekeines energeies twn organwn toy albanikoy kratoys h isws kai ths albanikhs dikaiosynhs, poy odhgoyn se afairesh twn perioysiakwn stoixeiwn apo Ellhnes. To qema ayto to parakoloyqoyme poly stena. Den mporw na pw tipote allo, ayth thn wra.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Egine mia diamartyria, xqes, apo 15...\nREPPAS: Prepei na sas enhmerwsw oti to qema ayto to eqese h "OMONOIA", to eqesan oi Ellhnes meionotikoi ston idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, kata thn episkech toy sthn Albania. Peran toy presbh mas sthn Albania, to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ths xwras mas asxoleitai me ayto to qema, to parakoloyqei poly stena.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eseis to phgate sta dhmosia erga. Egw sas eipa gia perioysies. Pairnoyn spitia, oikopeda, xwrafia.\nREPPAS: Htan safhs h orioqethsh poy ekana. Ekana ayth thn parathrhsh. Den prokeitai peri aytoy...\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: To phgate sta dhmosia erga.\nREPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala ti eipa.\nPARIS: Na epanelqw sthn erwthsh poy sas ekana, prin. Den sas rwthsa an yparxei politikh skopimothta pisw apo tis diwjeis. Sas rwthsa, ean problhmatizei thn kybernhsh, to gegonos oti oi eisaggelikes arxes, otan kanoyn agwges pros tetoioys organismoys, opws einai o OTE, to Xrhmatisthrio, h INTRAKOM, opws htan sto parelqon para polles epixeirhseis, jekinoyn tis diwjeis, sthn eisaggelikh ereyna me kakoyrghmatikes prajeis kai epaneilhmmena oi ypoqeseis aytes katalhgoyn sto arxeio. Prokeitai gia mia katastash h opoia synexizetai gia para polla xronia. Exoyn th dynatothta oi eisaggelikes arxes na kanoyn toso megales ereynes;\nREPPAS: Asfalws, exoyn th dynatothta oi eisaggelikes arxes. Ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs, gnwrizete poly kala, oti den einai dynato na parempodistoyn sto ergo toys. Den ginetai ayto. Apo thn allh, epishmainw ki egw ayto to fainomeno, to opoio omws afora ta MME, den afora emas. Asfalws, oi diwjeis ginontai me tropo pompwdh kai entypwsiako. Apo thn allh, h ejelijh aytwn twn diwjewn, synhqws den parakoloyqeitai. Ki otan oi ypoqeseis, oi fakeloi aytoi tiqentai sto arxeio, oydeis asxoleitai pleon. Alla, mporei na exei dhmioyrghqei ena problhma, en tw metajy, gia th leitoyrgia sygkekrimenwn organismwn h gia proswpa ta opoia qigontai. Kalo einai, loipon, na eimaste oloi pio ypeyqynoi kai bebaiws, as afhsoyme ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs, toys endiaferomenoys, ekei poy yparxoyn problhmata na parembainoyn. Den qa prepei na metatrepoyme se pedio politikhs kai kommatikhs antidikias th leitoyrgia twn organismwn toy Dhmosioy.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Apo th dikografia bgainei, k. Ypoyrge. Oi dhmosiografoi ta kanoyn;\nREPPAS: Exete eseis, opoioi kata kairoys grafete gia thn askhsh mias diwjhs, parakoloyqhsei thn poreia ths anakrishs twn ereynwn;\nREPPAS: Kai dinete ton idio xwro h thn idia emfash otan h ypoqesh ayth katalhgei sto arxeio; Den to kanete.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Parapempetai gia kakoyrghma kai meta phgainei sto arxeio.\nREPPAS: Ara, opws grafete pompwdws oti kapoios kathgoreitai gia kakoyrghmatikh prajh, to idio entypwsiaka qa prepei na enhmerwsete ton anagnwsth sas oti o kapote kathgorhqeis apallaxthke me boyleyma kai h ypoqesh ayth odhghqhke sto arxeio. Ayto den to grafete, omws, kai oi polites den enhmerwnontai.\nkyber2html v1.05c run on Monday, 6 December 1999 - 16:23:57 UTC


url: ="Poqes esxes" gia oloys\nEgkriqhke apo to synedrio h omofwnh protash ths organwtikhs epitrophs gia thn allagh katastatikoy ths Neas Dhmokratias, etsi wste o epomenos proedros na eklegei apo th laikh bash, me chfoforia poy qa ginei stis 29 Noembrioy. H protash ths organwtikhs epitrophs perase me megalh pleiochfia.\nGia parembaseis eyqynhs ekane logo o Proedros ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs toy Ektaktoy Synedrioy o opoios kleinontas tis ergasies toy Synedrioy anaferqhke sto ychlo epipedo kai to aisqhma eyqynhs olwn.\n``Eginan polles anafores gia ta aitia, alla kai gia to ti prepei na kanoyme. Ek meroys ths organwtikhs epitrophs qa hqela na ekfrasw to ychlo epipedo kai to aisqhma eyqynhs olwn''. Oles kai oloi oi omilhtes alla kai oi synedroi, tonise o k. Sioyfas, stis dyo meres toy ektaktoy synedrioy ``kaname ena shmantiko bhma dhmokratias qespizontas thn eklogh toy proedroy apo th bash. Kaname oysiastiko kai gonimo dialogo diaceydontas tis Kassandres''.\nO Proedros ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs ekane logo gia anoigma sthn koinwnia me synoxh, allhleggyh kai prooptikh. ``Xreos mas na kanoyme oti mporoyme gia th megalyterh dynath symmetoxh toy kosmoy sthn eklogikh diadikasia'' dhlwse, epishmainontas pws ``balame isxyres baseis kai apodeijame oti mporoyme na ta kataferoyme''.\n``Ta synedria yparxoyn gia na milhsoyme kai na akoysoyme. Kai akoysa me prosoxh, ola osa eipwqhkan. Akoysa endiaferoyses apoceis'', tonise h ka Mpakogiannh, se parembash ths kai emfanisthke aytokritikh gia ta pepragmena ths kybernhshs ths ND.\n``Epeidh ta polla logia einai ftwxia, oi Neodhmokrates se oloklhrh ths Ellada exoyn ena parapono. Oti den akoysame, oti den eimaste allhleggyoi. Ayta einai ta mhnymata. Kaname laqos. Sthrizomastan sto komma, oso eimastan antipoliteysh kai otan giname kybernhsh, to jexasame. Ayto den prepei na janaginei. Otan kapoios qelei na kybernhsei swsta, h bash einai to komma kai ta stelexh. Giati yparxei o anagkaios diaylos epikoinwnias''.\nAnaferomenh stis topoqethseis syndikalistwn ths ND, h ka Mpakogiannh epishmane pws ``h DAKE den einai aspida ths kybernhshs pros toys ergazomenoys. H DAKE einai h h fwnh twn ergazomenwn pros thn kybernhsh. H ONNED den einai organwsh, poy xeirokrotei toys arxhgoys se olh thn Ellada. Einai h dikh mas gefyra. Ayth th fwnh, an den thn akoysoyme, an den thn katalaboyme, tote den exoyme petyxei''.\nDesmeythke gia th dhmioyrgia enos neoy oysiastika kommatos kai jekaqarise pws den zhta leykh epitagh.\n``Sas yposxomai oti qa kanoyme ena neo komma. Den zhtw leykh epitagh. Qewrw oti ta pragmata einai poly sobara gia na mhn ejeidikeysoyme ti proteinoyme. Den qelw na xaidecw aftia gia na me chfisete kai meta na janaftasoyme se ayth thn katastash. Xreiazontai domes, poy qa dwsoyn dynamh sth bash'', eipe kai kalese toys synypochfioys ths na paroysiasoyn prin tis 29 Noembrioy to plaisio twn protasewn toys, epanalambanontas tis desmeyseis ths gia rizikes allages sth ND.\n``Desmeyomai oti oi ypochfioi boyleytes qa epilegontai apo esas, desmeyomai oti toys ekproswpoys ths TA den qa toys apofasizei h Rhgillhs, alla h bash ths ND. Ta kommatika organa qa eklegontai apo ta melh mas. O proedros qa exei qhteia. Pws qa apodeijw egw oti qa akoyw th bash kai qa exw anoixtes tis portes, an den jerw oti qa dwsw logariasmo kai se esas kai ston ellhniko lao;'', dierwthqhke.\nH ypochfia gia thn arxhgia xarakthrise ``plasmatiko'' to dilhmma, poy paroysiase o Antwnhs Samaras, sxetika me to poia prepei na einai h eklogikh bash ths ND.\n``Paroysiasthke ena plasmatiko dillhma. Oti kapoy ejw briskontai dikoi mas, poy prepei na toys feroyme pisw. Ayto einai ceytodilhmma. Oi dikoi mas chfoforoi einai edw. Einai aytoi poy plhgwmenoi, orgismenoi, phgan kai chfisan. Kaname laqh, eixame symperifores, poy ejorgisan ton kosmo. Aytoys qa toys proseggisoyme dhmioyrgwntas ena sygxrono kai anoixto komma. Ena einai to dilhmma. Qeloyme anoixto dhmokratiko komma, poy qa antipoliteytei to PASOK, h ena komma perixarakwmeno epirrepes ston laikismo, poy qa proseggisei ta sygxrona problhmata me palaiokommatikes syntages; H qesh moy einai jekaqarh. H ideologikh perixarakwsh ths ND einai syntagh apotyxias. O dikos moy agwnas einai na janakanw th ND na pistecei ston eayto ths. Exei dynamiko ajiologo. Mporei kai prepei na kerdisei thn empistosynh twn Ellhnwn. Ta katastatika yparxoyn gia na diasfalizoyn th leitoyrgia twn kommatwn. Otan milw gia symboylio deontologias, eklegmeno, den to lew tyxaia. Ayto qa ejetazei stelexh, poy dhmioyrgoyn problhma. Den qa einai to makry xeri toy arxhgoy, afoy qa to exete eseis eklejei. H ND mporei, apo thn wra poy qa eimaste perhfanoi gia thn istoria mas kai ta stelexh mas'', katelhje h ka Mpakogiannh.\nO k. Samaras anefere oti h paratajh den eftase tyxaia sto apotelesma twn eklogwn, ypogrammise de, pws ``den eimaste edw gia na gkriniajoyme, eimaste gia na milhsoyme gia tis proptikes ths anagennhshs mas, na pacoyme na kryboyme tis idees mas, na pacoyme na fobomaste mhn mas kakoxarakthrisoyn o antipaloi mas''.\nEpiskech G. Papandreoy sto Berolino gia toys eortasmoys gia thn 20h epeteio apo thn ptwsh toy teixoys toy Berolinoy\nHmerida IENE "Energeia kai Ejwterikh Politikh" (09:00:00, Aqhna/YPEJ-Akadhmias 1)\nO ANYPEJ Dhmhtrhs Droytsas, qa symmetasxei sth synanthsh twn diapisteymenwn sthn Ellada Presbewn twn kratwn-melwn ths EE, h opoia diorganwnetai apo th Soyhdikh Proedria (09:00:00, Aqhna)\nEyreia syskech sto ypoyrgeio Ygeias enocei ths enarjhs toy emboliasmoy me to Pandhmiko Embolio gia th nea griph(11:00:00, Aqhna/ypoyrgeio Ygeias)\nSynanthsh me thn Ypoyrgo Ygeias kai Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs Mariliza Jenogiannakopoyloy qa exei sto Isogeio toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias kai Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs , to Proedreio ths ENAE kai oi epikefalhs twn paratajewn ths Enwshs (11:00:00, Aqhna/Aristoteloys 17 )\nSynenteyjh Typoy ths Ellhnikhs Endokrinologikhs Etairias, me aformh thn Pagkosmia Hmera Diabhth (14 Noembrioy), ston Iatriko Syllogo (12:00:00, Qessalonikh/Aristoteloys 4)\nSynenteyjh Typoy toy Organismoy Megaroy Moysikhs Qessalonikhs, sto foyagie ths plateias toy MMQ, gia thn opera "O Orfeas ston Adh" (12:00:00, Qessalonikh/MMQ)\nO P/D Karolos Papoylias qa dexqei ton Proedro ths Boylhs k. Filippo Petsalniko (13:00:00, Aqhna/Proedriko)\nPanhgyrikh ekdhlwsh toy Dikhgorikoy Syllogoy Aqhnwn gia ta 50 xronia apo thn idrysh toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy twn Dikaiwmatwn toy Anqrwpoy (17:30:00, Aqhna/Megaro Karatza-Aioloy 82)\nEkdhlwsh sthn aiqoysa teletwn toy Panepisthmioy Makedonias gia ta 68 xronia apo thn idrysh toy EAM kai ta 65 xronia apo thn apeleyqerwsh ths Qessalonikhs (18:00:00, Qessalonikh)\nEkdhlwsh gia ta 20 xronia apo thn ptwsh toy Teixoys toy Berolinoy, sto Panepisthmio Makedonias (PA.MAK.) (18:00:00, Qessalonikh/PA.MAK.)\nAnoixth sygkentrwsh ths Ellhnikhs Omadas Diaswshs sto xwro twn loytrwn Lagkada, me skopo thn idrysh bashs etoimothtas ths Omadas, sto Lagkada (20:00:00, Qessalonikh/Lagkadas)\nPodosfairo-"Giorth toy podosfairisth"-Brabeia PSAP - 20:00:00, Aqhna\nPodosfairo-Soyper Ligka (10h agwnistikh) - 16:45:00, A.E.K. - LARISA NOVA\nPodosfairo-B' Eqnikh (8h agwnistikh) - 18:00:00, Iwnikos-Qrasyboylos\nPodosfairo-Antipaloi ellhnikwn omadwn, 22:15 Mpenfika-Nabal\nBolei-A1 Andrwn (5h hmera), 19.00 Hraklhs - Arhs\nana2html v2.01 run on Monday, 9 November 2009 - 5:30:31 UTC